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Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to soft Rep Radio special operations, military news and

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Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys and the community. Hey, welcome

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Speaker 1: to soft Rep Radio. This episode hosted by me, rad

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Speaker 1: has a special guest. Actually, I've got two special guests.

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Speaker 1: I've got Dr Martin Polanco hanging out with me and

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Speaker 1: I've got Michael Higgs Seal Teams thirty years, master Chief,

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Speaker 1: Is that right, Michael master Chief? Yeah, that's it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. That's it, that's it, just master Chief,

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Speaker 1: thirty years. I look at the smile on your face. Huh,

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Speaker 1: how you feeling about that? Thirty years? No, it was

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Speaker 1: a good run. It's a long run. I actually didn't

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Speaker 1: expect to stay thirty years, but it turned into that

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Speaker 1: very quickly. It seems coming from a background where my

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Speaker 1: these guys are extreme athletes you as well, you know,

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Speaker 1: pushing your bodies to these limits, right, that's why you guys.

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Speaker 1: It's like there's these limitations most guys have, like a

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Speaker 1: five year you know run in the teams and like

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Speaker 1: that's a lot of pull ups. That's a lot of

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Speaker 1: push ups. Yeah, it is. It's it takes its toll

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Speaker 1: in your body too. What's the coping mechanism for something

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Speaker 1: like that as you're pushing yourself through for thirty years?

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Speaker 1: You know? What? Was it something that you always you know,

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Speaker 1: thirty years and so on. The team's what is it

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Speaker 1: that you you did? Did you have a specialty where

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Speaker 1: How does that handle on the teams there like that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: earning your key. That I was started that I was

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Speaker 1: how cool? Well, congratulations on that success there, Sailor. Appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: And now how did you become friends with Dr Polako?

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Speaker 1: How do you guys have this world? Metch? Tell me, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we had a very uh abrupt meeting, a surprise meeting.

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Speaker 1: It was just over two years ago. Okay, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: present during the treatment. Okay, very groovy, Now is there music? Play,

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Speaker 1: Mack Geison and there's a bunch of other celebrities that

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Speaker 1: have taken it. And that experience is very different than

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Speaker 1: the IVY game. So five of the dam is very short.

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Speaker 1: It's handing or from five to twenty minutes. And that

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Speaker 1: one is smoked, whereas the ivy gain is taken up

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Speaker 1: in a pill form. It's it's a it's a capsule

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Speaker 1: that people swallow. And while the ivy gain is more

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Speaker 1: of the life review medicine, like where you see things

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Speaker 1: from your childhood, you see things from your past. You're

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Speaker 1: able to you know, just see like you know, stories

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Speaker 1: that you've been telling yourself and you can see it

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Speaker 1: from a different perspective and just you know, change the narrative.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like being awake instead of a dream. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever had a lucid dream where

439
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Speaker 1: you have where you wake up inside your dream and

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Speaker 1: something you have control role. Then you're able to fly

441
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Speaker 1: or do things. It's it's it's a very similar experience

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Speaker 1: with the IB game. So you're going into this stream

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Speaker 1: like state, but fully awake, so it's not a traditional

444
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Speaker 1: psychedelic and that you're seeing hallucinations, you know, with your

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00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: eyes open. It's more with the eyes closed that you're

446
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: seeing these this quote unquote visions. They're they're mostly referential

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Speaker 1: to your your own experience, to your own life. My

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Speaker 1: Folks is a Shawn Spoons, editor in chief of Software

449
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Speaker 1: Dot com just here to say thank you for listening

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Speaker 1: to the SOFTWAREP Radio podcast. We sure appreciate you giving

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Speaker 1: us your time. And here's a special offer for you

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Speaker 1: if you're a new member off your annual membership to

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Speaker 1: SOFTWAREP just click the link at the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: page that brought you to us today, and from all

455
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Speaker 1: of us here at soft REP, thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: My guest to follow up on that is, how would

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Speaker 1: um like how far out are you booked? Like? Is

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Speaker 1: there is there like a three month wait list? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it something that you have a consistency? Is it

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Speaker 1: covered by try care? You know? Okay, we're not there yet,

461
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: but we're we're hopefully getting to the poop where you know,

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00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: it would be covered by you know, governments and you know,

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Speaker 1: different supportive entities for for veterans. But for that we

464
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Speaker 1: have to collect data, we have to publish the results.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's been you know, the majority of our

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Speaker 1: focus is to to document what's going on and then

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Speaker 1: to you know, write about it in the academic journals.

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Speaker 1: In terms of how far out our book, generally it

469
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Speaker 1: takes about two months to get in and we're going

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Speaker 1: down to Mexico every weekend, So we're we're pretty consistently

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Speaker 1: running this program. Is there a way that our listener

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Speaker 1: who might be interested to reach out and either be told, hey,

473
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Speaker 1: you know, this is maybe the path you need or

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Speaker 1: not the path? How they reach you? How what's the

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Speaker 1: site or phone number or email? And I can have

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Speaker 1: that put in to the description below the video as well,

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Speaker 1: so anybody that wants to reference that can just read

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Speaker 1: it and just you know, I have at it. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to give that that a plug? Sure? The

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Speaker 1: RL is our name, which is Mission within dot org

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Speaker 1: on Mission within and that's Mission within dot org. And

482
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Speaker 1: you can look up that website and it'll have information

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Speaker 1: for you to reach out to them and they can

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Speaker 1: let you know if you qualify for their program. Right, so,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that there's a screening process as they were mentioning,

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Speaker 1: and you know you're coming in with an open mind

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Speaker 1: to to try this. Now. Now, Michael, when's the last

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Speaker 1: time you went and did this? Oh? The last time

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Speaker 1: I went was the first time I went, So I haven't.

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Speaker 1: I haven't used the medicine since. Yeah, I have done

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Speaker 1: Ahuaska once or twice, and I've done some psilocybin and

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Speaker 1: I do micro dose micro dose is that what little

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Speaker 1: bits and pieces micro dos p cybin. So you know

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Speaker 1: when I got back with the beautiful thing was I

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Speaker 1: was actually able to get off all my meds that

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Speaker 1: I was one from the v A. So my psychotropics,

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Speaker 1: my pain meds, my sleep aids, and I my cog

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Speaker 1: function significantly increased. But it wasn't all the way back

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Speaker 1: to where I wasn't back in. But what I was

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Speaker 1: able to do was was to is a micro do psilocybin,

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Speaker 1: you know, to three days a week and it just

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Speaker 1: helps my cog function and stabilizes my mood. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: it's supperceptional, so you know anywhere near you know, sending

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Speaker 1: you into a journey state. It's just very for me,

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Speaker 1: it's just very grounding and it gives me greater clarity.

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Speaker 1: But now I haven't gone back down since, um other

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Speaker 1: than you know, you know when I go down to support,

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Speaker 1: do you go down as like a lifeguard to be

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Speaker 1: a part of the program. Are you a part of that? Like? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm an integration coach, so I'm down almost every other

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Speaker 1: weekend with the crew that goes down. We have a

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Speaker 1: couple of different crews that go down, um, and I'm

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Speaker 1: also part of the screening process. I'll do the discovery

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Speaker 1: calls with the clients. Then I'm a coach on the

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Speaker 1: backside following up with the clients as well. Sure, and

516
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: so the Special Operation Forces community out there just is

517
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, used up, spun up, and then they get

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Speaker 1: out and it's like, you know, you have all these

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Speaker 1: things going on inside your head that you probably need

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Speaker 1: to reach out to somebody for and you've thought about who,

521
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: and it seems like this might be a good option

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00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: if you felt like you've hit a brick wall, and

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Speaker 1: you know, coming through this process to try to resolve

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Speaker 1: and reconcile. I really like how you guys put reconciliation

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Speaker 1: like you're reconciling with you know what it is. It's

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00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: all in your head, and what it is is in you.

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Speaker 1: It has to because you're pulling this from within you,

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Speaker 1: So it's in you already. And if you're in a

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Speaker 1: safe environment with any really no outside influences, this is

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Speaker 1: all you coming up with the solution, right, So you're

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Speaker 1: just helping to amplify that. Yeah, it's interesting you said that.

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Speaker 1: We just had a meeting with a bunch of Seals

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Speaker 1: last night. We had two deaths of other seals in

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, kind of rock the community again.

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00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: And the biggest thing is, you know, it's interesting, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the teams are probably the military. It's a high

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00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: performance environment, so you're always pushing forward. And we think

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Speaker 1: of ourselves as teammates because we're quick to lend a

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Speaker 1: hand to others and always taking care of each other.

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Speaker 1: But we we've noticed over the last couple of years

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Speaker 1: is that none of us raise our own hand to

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Speaker 1: ask for help. And it was to say with me,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I hit rock bottom, and when my

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Speaker 1: friend was having a hard time, you know, his wife

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00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: had to reach out, and other guys you know that

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Speaker 1: I've seen and women too. It's always the partner reaches out,

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Speaker 1: the individual doesn't. And then just like you said, the

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Speaker 1: medicine shows you what you need to see and it's

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Speaker 1: it's all your own creation for the most part. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's a beautiful thing. But the biggest thing is just

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00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: being able to reach out for help and to know

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Speaker 1: it's okay and you're right being vulnerable. That's what you're

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00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: kind of hitting on. It's like you know, um, it's

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00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: totally true. It's like, hey you okay, yeah, I'm fine,

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00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: but you need some help. But the person, it's like

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Speaker 1: it's always wanting to do something for others versus yourself.

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00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Christmas shopping. It's like, oh, I

558
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: don't get everybody else everything else. Don't worry about me.

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00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: But that's not true. Worry about you know when they

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Speaker 1: use that word vulnerability and it's you know, in the military,

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00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: that's a bad word, right, So it's hard to come

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Speaker 1: to grips with sometimes. I don't know, there's worst words.

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Speaker 1: Dr Polanco. It's very cool that you've chosen this and

564
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: for twenty three years been focusing on you know, healing

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00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: and uh, we just need more of that and more

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Speaker 1: positive trying to do the right thing, positive energy, you know.

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Speaker 1: For those of you that are religious. And I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: loosely quote the scripture of the Bible from Genesis, it's

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Speaker 1: like chapter one, verse eleven and twelve. God gave man seed, okay,

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Speaker 1: and he ate it and he said it was good

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00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: all right. So you know, I don't know how you

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00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: want to like debate that, right, It kept from the earth, okay,

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Speaker 1: And so it sounds like you know now the toad,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Hi, Is it just the toad or

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Speaker 1: is there like a plant that you can get that

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00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: from or do you have to get it from the

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00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: toad and the toad is like a frog? Right? Is

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Speaker 1: that why toady and Mario brothers? Is there? Am I

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Speaker 1: putting this all together? Yeah? There's a lot of myths

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Speaker 1: around toads and connections historically, like even some narratives and

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00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: stories that link, you know, the Santa Claus archetypes to

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00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, Siberian shamans and the mushrooms that they were

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Speaker 1: using and be answering your question, the the amphibians, so

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Speaker 1: that the frogs are not the only source of five

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00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: and theod teeth. It's also found in the plants, so

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00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: you can get it from from different sources. You can

587
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: also synthesize it from molotonin, so you can make it

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Speaker 1: synthetically and that is actually the better way to go

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Speaker 1: about it, because the toads are now under a lot

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Speaker 1: of stress because it's been becoming a very popular in medicine.

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Speaker 1: People are going through the desert. They're grabbing them in

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote if you look them, so I don't

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Speaker 1: lick the toad. That's like, that's the myth. Don't do it,

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00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: don't don't do it. In fact, yeah, don't don't at all.

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Speaker 1: And yeah we looked out alone and that there's there's

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Speaker 1: other socials. Five and you and I would say five

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Speaker 1: and meal is also one of the more delicate psychedelics

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Speaker 1: because it is such a powerful experience. If not done

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Speaker 1: in the right way, with the right preparation, the right context,

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00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: the right integration, people can spin out. It causes something

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Speaker 1: you know, that can be termed like ontological shock, where

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00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: people don't know what's real because experience is very real,

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00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: like you experienced like maybe other dimensions, and some people

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00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: see their loved ones that are no longer with us,

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00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: so coming back into this reality, it's some of the shockings.

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00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: So it takes a skilled therapist and then help round

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00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: that person to that so that they can integrate this

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00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, very meaningful experience into their lives and and

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00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: not be just kind of blasted open. So yeah, not

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Speaker 1: ever be aware, for sure. That's a good phrase that

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00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: we forget about now. On the customer, I'm always right,

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Speaker 1: No buyer, beware of this one, buddy, buyer beware. Oh wow,

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00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: that's crazy. So so, like you said, you're a high

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00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: performance athlete, Michael. You go from being a young man

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Speaker 1: teenager into the military and thirty years into the seal community,

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Speaker 1: always running. Never did any psycho you know, syllabin or

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Speaker 1: any type of cannabis or anything like that. Straight laced,

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00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: let's put it that way, right, just straight on focused, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's not like you're out there trying to like

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Speaker 1: do anything wrong. You're not like eating it or trying

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Speaker 1: to be inappropriate with it. You're a straight lace dude,

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Speaker 1: and I want my listeners to hear that you're a

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Speaker 1: straight lace dude who has said this is an option

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Speaker 1: for me, and that's what matters. You matter, Michael, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and those I mean for me. You know, like I

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Speaker 1: said when I started, you know, at the time, I

627
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: was like, hey, what do I have to lose here? Right?

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Speaker 1: But to be the medicines made sense, you know, they're

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Speaker 1: earth medicines or plant medicines. The medicines that I was

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Speaker 1: already on, you know, the pharma meds weren't helping me.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to lean into this. And for me,

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00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: the proof was in the putting of witnessing and seeing

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Speaker 1: my friends on the other side. You know, I had

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Speaker 1: seen my friends in a bad place and then next

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Speaker 1: thing I know, they're in a great place and their

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Speaker 1: lives had turned around. So for me, that was worth

637
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Speaker 1: you know, gold, just to witness that. Yeah, yeah, you

638
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: made peace with that. Very cool. Wow, that's cool. Yeah.

639
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: I hope you're listening, listeners, you know, and watching, because

640
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: this is like, you know, really deep and heavy, and

641
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm down with it. I love I think it's cool

642
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 1: and it should be thought of more often, you know

643
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: than shunned. You know, up here in the US, we

644
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of regulations on certain medicines like cannabis.

645
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: Some states do, some states don't. Some people have opinions,

646
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: legislatures making decisions based off people's health. You know that

647
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: they have known nothing, they don't know nothing about they're

648
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: not They're like a car salesman that got the politicians job,

649
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: and they're making medical decisions based off of what they think.

650
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm just over that. I would like to see, you know,

651
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: more realist, real stuff happening. So that's why I was

652
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: so excited to have both of you guys on the

653
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: show and to bring this to awareness, so you know

654
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: that we can have the listener reach out to you,

655
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: tell me the name of that website again with the

656
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: dot org. So the website is Mission within dot org

657
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: and the process gonna Yeah, and the process again marchin

658
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: already covered. Just go to the website. You can either

659
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: do a discovery call with one of us and will

660
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: kind of walk you through the process and will screen you.

661
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: Then if you're interested and you meet dark right here

662
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: as a candidate, then we'll get you started on the process.

663
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: And after that process, we'll get you hooked up with

664
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Speaker 1: a coach. We'll do some med screening as well, and

665
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: then we'll start the process from there. So I do

666
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: have a question that somebody I hit up and said, hey,

667
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: what would you ask a Navy seal? Who would? And

668
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: did Sullivan? But I didn't realize our d m T

669
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: is what I said on my social media, and I

670
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: had somebody come back and asked me. His name is Matt.

671
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: He's like, what's the difference between this and Jacob's Ladder? Now,

672
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what he's trying to reference? And do

673
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: you know what that is Jacob's ladder versus what we're

674
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: talking about d m T and mushrooms at all? I

675
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: do not know okay, well, Matt, okay, well, I'll maybe

676
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: look that up later. But Matt, I asked your question.

677
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: I always ask my social media questions whenever I get one,

678
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure that you guys know

679
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: I asked those so I made sure I asked. We

680
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: don't know what that is. We can't know everything, guys.

681
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: So with that said, though, is there anything that you

682
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: have in the future that you'd like to talk about? Michael?

683
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: Most Navy seals I know have a book. Do you

684
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: have a book or I don't have a book coming out?

685
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: You know, my biggest thing is what's your movie? No book,

686
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: no book on this? And uh, you know, my big

687
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: thing is is I want to make sure that you

688
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: know and I think we're doing this. You know, we're

689
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: changing the narrative in the space right now that these

690
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: are medicines. They're not drugs, you know, drugs, non medicines heal, right,

691
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: and to keep that narrative going. And you know, obviously

692
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: we're focused on getting this in a very small population

693
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: of veterans, but the goal is you know, citizens at large, right,

694
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: because there's a healing medicines and you know that we

695
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't have be having to go to another country to

696
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: do them. I love Mexico. I love going down there,

697
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: this was Peru, in other countries. But they should be

698
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: safe and they should be available at home, and they're

699
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: not for fun, you know, they're for work and deep healing.

700
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: That's how we treat them. We treat can very secretly

701
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: and with reverence and be careful. What the bar Stein

702
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: say are be aware. You don't go into this still prepared. No,

703
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: I agree with you. When you look at like Israel,

704
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: they're on the forefront of all sorts of discovery of

705
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: different types of medicines, you know, and pushing you know,

706
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: science over there, and that's an ally of ours. What's up?

707
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: How can? Where's where's that over here? You know? Hello? Like,

708
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: just open up your mind? VA, just a little bit, right,

709
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: those people at the v A, at the Veterans Administration Center,

710
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: you need to just try it. Yeah, I think there's

711
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of very you know, good people

712
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: at the VA, but they're they're part of a system

713
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: and it's hard to write work outside of that system.

714
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: So that that's why it needs to be. There needs

715
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: to be legislative change. There needs to be data presented

716
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: to the FDA, So it's a it's a whole process.

717
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: And then I do think that if the v A

718
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: had those tools available to them, they would they would

719
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: be using I agree with that, and I think that

720
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: and that's why, because you can have the nicest nurse

721
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: be empathetic to you at the v side of your bed.

722
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: It's not her and she her hands are tied and

723
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: she's just trying to do her best job. It's just

724
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: it's just bureaucracy that gets involved. So but I don't

725
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: want to get in trouble, so I'll just say I agree.

726
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: Because the internet forever, even for me. So okay, Well,

727
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you for dedicating like

728
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: forty five minutes of your time talking with me and

729
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: exposing this. And I would like to do more conversations

730
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: with you. I think this is a very healthy thing

731
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: to have as like a reoccurring conversation. You know, we

732
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: can get together and and uh schedule time and and

733
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: have more conversations and talk furthermore about your data and

734
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: your studies that you've been coming up with dr and

735
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: and also you Michael, and you know, more success stories

736
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 1: that we can put out there to let it be known.

737
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: So I just want to thank you guys for being

738
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: on SOFTWAP Radio with me, my listenership, my viewership. I

739
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: was really appreciative to have this conversation. I was stoked,

740
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: all god, Yeah, we're very appreciated of the opportunity to

741
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: get on your show. And we've published the number of papers.

742
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: We have another one coming out in the summer, and

743
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: we've been very fortunate to have a constant location. So

744
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: we've seen over six dred at this point, and we wanna,

745
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, just continue to collect data and to hopefully

746
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: change the narrative and the availability of these compounds. Yeah again, yeah, Bred,

747
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: thanks for having us and give us an opportunity to speak.

748
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: And then, you know, little last thing I say that

749
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: everybody has asked for help, you know, reach up your hand.

750
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: That's it, that's all you gotta do. No one's ever

751
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: turned anybody down for assistance. No, that's great, great, great

752
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: words of wisdom. So glad you're feeling better, doctor, Okay,

753
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: And I just want to say to you out there

754
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: to have positive vibes and high tides. And this is

755
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: Rabble Software Radio. Say in peace them listening to self

756
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: readily now