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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson and it is a lovely Friday.

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Speaker 4: Here him at once. That's also lovely. But you know

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Speaker 4: to December Friday.

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Speaker 3: It is supposed to you can tell the weather is

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Speaker 3: starting to warm up a little bit and supposed to

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Speaker 3: be in the fifties by Sunday.

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Speaker 4: I kind of felt like a giant woos this week, like, boy,

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Speaker 4: is it barely even snowing? And I'm like shivering all

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Speaker 4: week long? Part of my son doesn't close the window,

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Speaker 4: were I note?

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Speaker 3: But I told you what I would do if I

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Speaker 3: were you. Yeah, I would take all his stuff from

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Speaker 3: his bedroom and move it out on your back porch.

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Speaker 4: That would take me a year and a half. You

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Speaker 4: should see it his bedroom. Well just but it's still

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Speaker 4: a pretty bed, right right, Just a bed like a

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Speaker 4: little chili. You like it chili?

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Speaker 3: How about your seep out here? Yeah, and you'll be

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Speaker 3: you'll be wishing it was warring.

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Speaker 4: You were also suggested maybe just spill some water on

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Speaker 4: his bed, so it turns into an ice rink and freezing. Right,

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Speaker 4: it's crazy anyway, I think we've got.

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Speaker 3: Things that I did to torture. I didn't do that,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah, I would do stuff like that, torture

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Speaker 3: my kids.

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Speaker 4: I think we got the issue rectified. But justin it's

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Speaker 4: been two days in a row. He did it lasterday too,

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Speaker 4: after chatting with him and then like, why is your

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Speaker 4: bedroom window open? Wide open? Anyway? So there, maybe that's

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Speaker 4: why the coldest of the year, right right, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: But I guess I don't handle the snow and chili

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Speaker 4: and it's like I used to.

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Speaker 3: But fifty on Sundays is going to feel like seventy.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Both are passing teams. Well, Steelers aren't a passing team,

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Speaker 4: but the Browns are a heavy, heavy passing team. I

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Speaker 4: would think weather and wind would hurt them.

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Speaker 3: But there's going to be wind when supposed to be

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Speaker 3: like twenty five mile hour winds, but no, it's must

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Speaker 3: be just a little bit warmer.

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Speaker 4: And Winston hasn't played many cold games. He seems to

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Speaker 4: enjoy them. Yeah, he enjoys it. He just love.

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Speaker 3: Not when he throws the interception. So no, yeah, we

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Speaker 3: had a last night. Yeah, we had a game last night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The Detroit Lions knock off the Green Bay Packers to

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Speaker 3: get to twelve and one. The Packers fall to nine

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Speaker 3: and four, and once again this analytics stuff your rears

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Speaker 3: its head. Yeah, and Dan Campbell's I get he's an

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Speaker 3: aggressive coach.

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Speaker 4: I like him a lot as a coach, but.

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Speaker 3: You sometimes you can get a little too aggressive. So

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Speaker 3: there's about forty seconds left in the game. The Packers

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Speaker 3: had just stuffed the Lions on a third and short

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Speaker 3: run for no game, and Campbell leaves the offense on

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Speaker 3: the field. The Packers have used all their timeouts.

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Speaker 4: Yep, yep. You got him where you want them, got

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Speaker 4: him where you want him fel range.

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Speaker 3: You're in field goal range for about a thirty five

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Speaker 3: yard field goal.

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Speaker 4: Give her to right, I mean one that you're gonna

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Speaker 4: make more of. Yeah, and the game is tied. That's

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Speaker 4: how you put teams away, right. Yeah, he goes for

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Speaker 4: it on fourth down. I mean Sary Goff gets stepped

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Speaker 4: on coming out first of all.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, now they ended up getting it. Yeah, first down.

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Speaker 4: Because Golf was able to hand the ball off, I

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Speaker 4: mean barely, and it was maybe the play of the

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Speaker 4: game from him. Yeah, not that he played bad, but

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Speaker 4: I mean, if he doesn't pull that off, it's we're

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Speaker 4: having much different conversation. But I'm watching someone.

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Speaker 3: Kick the field goal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what are you doing? What are you trying to

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Speaker 4: prove here? So the series, I mean, you laid it out,

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Speaker 4: but then he calls time out to think about it,

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Speaker 4: trotzy offense back there. I'm like, Oh, he's gonna try

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Speaker 4: to draw them off side, snaps the ball, and I

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Speaker 4: understand that there's two things that if I was his lawyer,

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Speaker 4: I would back them up on, which I don't agree with.

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Speaker 4: But if you if he's my client, I'd be like,

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Speaker 4: I have Penny soool and that's just what we do here.

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Speaker 4: And I want my locker room to always be aggressive

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Speaker 4: and lead by example. And that's the lieon way. But

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Speaker 4: it's not smart, not smart at all. It's not smart

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Speaker 4: at all. You only you gained like thirty seconds and

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Speaker 4: you could have lost so much more.

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Speaker 3: And if you don't get it, which they had been

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Speaker 3: stopped on fourth down earlier in the game, if you

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Speaker 3: don't get it.

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Speaker 4: You're like two good completions away from losing. Losing, not

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Speaker 4: going to overtime losing. Yeah, you kick let alone the

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Speaker 4: best they have no time offense, has nobody left. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean you can't put your defense back on the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you I mean Jordan Love at that

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Speaker 3: point was twelve of twenty for two hundred and six yards.

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Speaker 4: Okay, And they were playing a lot better than the

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Speaker 4: second half. They're playing better, right right.

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Speaker 3: They gonna they gotta have like three plays to get

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Speaker 3: in the field goal ring, and they got to they

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Speaker 3: got to complete them all, and they have no timeouts left.

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Speaker 3: So even if they complete something in the field of play.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you're saying after the field goal, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 4: after that missed field goal or a missed fourth down,

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Speaker 4: you need to probably, Yeah, I mean it's a difference

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Speaker 4: of a couple of completions or you know, when.

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Speaker 3: You're just playing for a field goal at that point,

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Speaker 3: because that's all you need to win.

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Speaker 4: Like I thought, it was really really dumb.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna he did it last year in the playoffs

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Speaker 3: and it cost him. Yep, he's gonna do it again

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs this year.

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Speaker 4: That's who they are now. Now. I mean, he built

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Speaker 4: this ship. He's he's going down with it, the same

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Speaker 4: sail up to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Same reason why that the former coach with the Chargers

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Speaker 3: got fired.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't go for every fourth down, right, you

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Speaker 4: just don't. Now, Lions have a much better This comes

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Speaker 4: on to offensive line. To me, they have a much

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Speaker 4: better offensive line than those Charger teams. And but it's

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Speaker 4: not apples oranges. It's still foolish because he did one

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Speaker 4: deep in his own end earlier in the game and

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Speaker 4: didn't get it. Like, I don't understand it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think the Lions are a juggernaut. They're a really

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Speaker 4: really good team. But the defensive injuries and the going

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Speaker 4: forward on fourth has me concerns gonna cost him. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they'll they'll be fine for the regular season, you know,

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Speaker 4: but can you go through the NFC gauntlet and then

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Speaker 4: beat the Bills in the Super Bowl or whatever? I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's a goal here. It's not to be a Final

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Speaker 4: four team again, this is can you be the best

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Speaker 4: team in the league. Yeah, just the defensive injuries are insane.

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Speaker 4: I mean, and they are and McNeil both get hurt

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Speaker 4: in this game. I just look at it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if there's a criticism of Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 3: from the game against the Browns the last time around,

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Speaker 3: it said he went for it on fourth down too much, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, And again, isn't the criticism?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a game that turned into a field position game.

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Speaker 3: You gave up field position.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there's a couple of things about it that are

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Speaker 4: good and bad, just as a whole, not last night.

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Speaker 4: They're one of the few teams with their backfield that

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Speaker 4: on third and eight is a running down. They still run,

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Speaker 4: you know. So that makes it hard on defensive coordinators,

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Speaker 4: you know, because the whole world knows they're going for

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Speaker 4: it on fourth down. But that's what I'm going to

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Speaker 4: in a negative way. I don't want everyone in the

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Speaker 4: stadium to know I'm going for it on fourth down,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, I don't want to

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Speaker 4: expose one of the cards in mind. Want to be

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Speaker 4: thoughtfully non rhdden exactly exactly. I don't.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll go for it, maybe you won't, right, Like

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Speaker 3: just one he punts.

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Speaker 4: No, he's definitely not punting, you know what I mean. Like,

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Speaker 4: so you're telling people too much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go for it every single time, it's

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Speaker 3: just you. You've tipped your hand. Yeah, everybody knows that. Now,

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Speaker 3: I know you're you have a fastball and you throw

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Speaker 4: Well, so someone's gonna hit out of the park. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, no, that would worry me quite a bit. Now,

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Speaker 4: Lions fans are eating it up. I mean, he's a

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Speaker 4: super fun dude, and their staff looks super fun and

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Speaker 4: they're a really really good team and they've been so

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Speaker 4: bad for my lifetime basically, but it's just your lifetime,

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Speaker 4: right back to your dad's life. Yeah, but I would

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Speaker 4: think that could be a fatal flaw.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna and when it when it costs him,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's just what we do.

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Speaker 3: No, because that's what you said last year when you

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Speaker 3: cost yourself in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: You're living on razor's edge there with you got to

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Speaker 4: be don't do it in your own end, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it all comes down to the head

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Speaker 3: coach putting his team in position to win a game

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Speaker 3: as opposed to putting him his team into position to

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Speaker 3: lose it.

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Speaker 4: Right, how could I lose this game? Well, if you

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Speaker 4: don't get on fourth down, you might lose it. You

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Speaker 4: might lose it because you don't exactly where you want.

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Speaker 3: Well, we have a great play here, but you don't

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Speaker 3: factor in your quarterback getting stepped on.

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Speaker 4: But it could snap, you can a lot of things

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Speaker 4: could go wrong, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean if you I guarantee if you looked at

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Speaker 3: the win percentages, because they do those things on different sites,

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Speaker 3: that have you know, the percentage of oh that they're

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Speaker 3: going to win the probably win probability. Yeah, the Raiders

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Speaker 3: Chiefs game last last week, Yes, I guarantee you. When

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs was a third down that they were already

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Speaker 3: in field goal range. They're just trying to set up yeah,

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Speaker 3: a little bit closer of a field goal or running play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, their win percentage was you know, it's probably nineties

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really hot and as soon as they

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Speaker 3: botched the snap, boom done.

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Speaker 4: That's over right, yes, right, So speaking of that, I'm

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Speaker 4: sure and I'm not a mathematician or going to look

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Speaker 4: it up, but after the third down play last night,

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Speaker 4: I bet their win probability was ninety seven percent. All

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Speaker 4: you have to do is make a short kick. That

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean you're guaranteed to make the kick. And maybe

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Speaker 4: Bay returns the kickoff for a touchdown, So it's not

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent, but it's probably ninety five ish.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually looking at it here now on ESPN the

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Speaker 3: winner the ability.

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Speaker 4: That because in the meantime, what I'm going with is,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure the win probability was way higher than your

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Speaker 4: percentage to convert on fourth. It has to be. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'll bet you're excited to Looking at the weather forecast

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Speaker 2: Yeah this stuff, And I'm like, where have you guys been?

438
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 2: You know, I know that hard Knocks like access that

439
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,520
Speaker 2: they are getting the intimacy of these team meetings. I know,

440
00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,160
Speaker 2: you know our good friend Alex who does the standard.

441
00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,919
Speaker 2: He gets as much as possible. But that's just not

442
00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 2: how the Steelers roll where like the Lions last night,

443
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,000
Speaker 2: in Campbell's post game speech is posted the Twitter and

444
00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,719
Speaker 2: Instagram in like five minutes. They like to keep some

445
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,119
Speaker 2: of that stuff in house, but there's still has been

446
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 2: stuff out there. And no, I mean nothing really shocks

447
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,879
Speaker 2: me from the sideline. I mean we could kind of

448
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,880
Speaker 2: overhear what he was saying to Herbig, which I thought

449
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 2: was pretty cool because I'm like, is he giving him

450
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 2: a mister Herbig? Like what's he saying? You know, you

451
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,639
Speaker 2: realized he gave him the you know, this is what

452
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,399
Speaker 2: we expect, this is why we brought you. I did

453
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 2: think it was cool though, in hard knocks, being able

454
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 2: to see him calling him out, singling out in a meeting,

455
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 2: telling him like, hey, you got to have a game.

456
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,160
Speaker 2: And then it's just you know, like the the fruition

457
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 2: of how that came to play. Yeah, I talked to

458
00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 2: afterj got one.

459
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I talk to Nick yesterday and I said, was

460
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 3: was that just a one time thing?

461
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:04,879
Speaker 5: Is all?

462
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 2: Though?

463
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 3: He's every time he saw me last week he said,

464
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 3: you got the a one matchup this week, you and Zeus,

465
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 3: You and Zeus, Like he just kept reinforcing that and

466
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,679
Speaker 3: driving it home. And he said when he said at

467
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 3: the team meeting, is like you, you know, your ears

468
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 3: perk up a little bit. You're like, uh, now he's

469
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 3: calling me out in front of the entire team, and

470
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 3: he said, just makes you feel that much more important.

471
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 3: He just does what buttons to push.

472
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And you know Cam Hayward, he you know,

473
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 2: kind of jabbed him on Tuesday saying, you know, he's

474
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 2: been here for thirty five years or twenty five whatever

475
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 2: he said. And I know Cam is asked about that

476
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 2: this week. But Cam knows that that pushes his buttons.

477
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 2: But it still works, you know, like he can acknowledge

478
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 2: that that that twists, you know, the knife a little bit,

479
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 2: but it works. And I think that is the thing

480
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 2: that we're all not surprised because we're around them so much,

481
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 2: but there are little things for every player that he

482
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 2: knows how to motivate them in whichever way possible.

483
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,640
Speaker 3: Well, that in itself is a skill as well, because

484
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 3: you get fifty three different guys in that locker room.

485
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 4: Who do you They don't all take to somebody be

486
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 4: offended somebody you know, sorry veteran went's a rookie, you know, right, Yeah.

487
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: No, absolutely. I think I told you guys before Hard

488
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,239
Speaker 2: Knocks started about how he always would want like you know,

489
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 2: the obscure almost NFL research stats that we get now

490
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: about Ryan Chazy or in c J. Mosley, and how

491
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 2: that was something that I mean, like I would see

492
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 2: them come out of the locker room together and he

493
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 2: would still be saying stuff to him about Mosley's better

494
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 2: at this. It is truly a skill. I wish I

495
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 2: knew how to do it so well that you know,

496
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 2: everyone's kids are different. Both of my boys are different.

497
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: But then sometimes I'm like, you don't listen to me

498
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: no matter what I do or what I try. You know,

499
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 2: I need Coach Tomlin to come in here and like

500
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 2: whip everybody into shape.

501
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Speaker 4: So Missy, I don't know if we'll see it on

502
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 4: the next episode of Hard Knocks, but just a hunch.

503
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 4: I bet the buttons that Coach Tom's pushing this week is, Hey, Cam,

504
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,959
Speaker 4: do you think you were happy with how you played

505
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 4: in Cleveland two weeks ago? Hey TJ? How'd that go

506
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 4: for you? You know, I mean, that was that defensive

507
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 4: front I thought had a huge advantage in that game,

508
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 4: still has a huge advantage in this game. Is the

509
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 4: best defensive front in the league. But that was their

510
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 4: worst game, and I bet he's not letting them forget

511
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 4: about that one.

512
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 2: No, you know, they always talk about how he does

513
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 2: the news, which is not good news.

514
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 4: You don't want to be on the news Monday.

515
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: Morning meetings and you never want to be in the

516
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 2: news because it's usually you getting blown up or doing

517
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: something wrong. And I think also because it was so fresh,

518
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: it's easy to just hay, just hey, guys, that was

519
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, bring it back again, let's talk about

520
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: it again, and just going at them about that. Plus

521
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 2: I think, you know, it's not even just what they did.

522
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: I think it's also like a TJ versus Miles Garrett,

523
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: the whole thing, like quarterback first quarterback. They don't play

524
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 2: against each other, but it's still like two star players

525
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: the same position, and for better or worse, Miles Garrett

526
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: he had that game in Cleveland on that Thursday night,

527
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: the three sacks in the first half, So I think

528
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: that that's probably some motivation to going towards DJ if

529
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: I had.

530
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Speaker 4: A guess along those lines. I guess I would follow

531
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Speaker 4: up questions since your answer is do you think Miles

532
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 4: Garrett is the most hated current player by Steeler Nation?

533
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 4: Not ever, But trust me, if I ever say anything

534
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 4: good about him on the air, I'm afraid to like

535
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 4: walk to my car.

536
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm biased because I do. I kind of

537
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 2: feel that way of I feel like we were shooting

538
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: stand ups for the Tomlin Show yesterday and it was

539
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: about strip sacks. DJ, Miles and Nick Krbig all have

540
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 2: three strip sacks, only players in the league to have

541
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Speaker 2: three this season. But I had to add in just

542
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: because of my bias. You know, TJ's had twenty three

543
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 2: since twenty seventeen, Miles only has nineteen. And I was like, look,

544
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm like doing what the fans do. Like I had

545
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: to add it in there. But yeah, I would say

546
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 2: he's probably public enemy number one.

547
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 4: I don't think it's Lamar, I don't think it's Burrow.

548
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: I mean, but I also think he kind of guaranteed

549
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: that and put that on himself when he tried to

550
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 3: bludgeon them Mason Rudolph.

551
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely on the fields and then lied about what

552
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 4: he said.

553
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: I still see I still see Browns fans trying to say,

554
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: you know, what did what did Mason Rudolph say? He

555
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: didn't say anything, right.

556
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 2: I mean, you know when Mark he's pouncy, is willing

557
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 2: to get suspended and to do whatever it takes to

558
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: uh make sure that the mayhem stops. Uh, there's a

559
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: pretty good chance he was in the right and knew

560
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: what was said. I mean, Coach Tumblin went on Steven

561
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: A's show and publicly talked about it that that is

562
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: not something you see happen very often. So yeah, I agree.

563
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: I the Brown fans that are still drinking that kool

564
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: aid of like it was somehow Mason's fault.

565
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 4: Is very crazy to me, absolutely that that had to

566
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 4: be one of the more bizarre things that you have

567
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 4: been on the field for over the last one of

568
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 4: the most.

569
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 3: Do you recall what what was going through your mind

570
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 3: during that whole situation?

571
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 5: Oh?

572
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I didn't like tell you what I was

573
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: wearing that day. I just remember that luckily where I

574
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: was standing obviously on the visitor's sideline and we were

575
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: obviously near that end zone where it happened. Jack Kearney,

576
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: who was the team security guy at the time happened

577
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: to be like raped down there, and I just remember

578
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: he kind of did like the dad move where you

579
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: like put your hand back, you know, like when you're

580
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 2: driving your parents would like almost like trying to protect

581
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 2: you even though you had your seatbot on. Like he

582
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: kind of did one of those, and a few of

583
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: us just kind of stayed there, and then he was like,

584
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: when I tell you we're getting off the field, to

585
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: stay with me, and I was like, oh God, okay,

586
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: all right, I like this, like whatever you say. I mean,

587
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: that was just yeah, it was just so weird. Plus

588
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: you didn't know if each sideline is going to still out.

589
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: I mean who knew at that point. I mean that

590
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: that was definitely a one of one type situations. But

591
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: then I think being on the field to watch another

592
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: game to find out if you're making the postseason also

593
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: stands out.

594
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, did that work.

595
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 6: It was the Ravens and the Browns right right, Yeah,

596
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 6: And I remember just you almost start getting excited and

597
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 6: then it slowly, slowly fades and then everyone just quietly

598
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 6: walks away.

599
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: I mean fans were in their seats for that one too.

600
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: It was weird.

601
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's been some You've been the privy to

602
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 3: some interesting moments. Let's let's put it that way over

603
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: the years. Uh, messy, What do you expect on on Sunday?

604
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: I I mean, I do feel like this Steelers team

605
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: has been rejuvenized in a way. I don't think obviously

606
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: that their performance against the Bengals defense that, let's be honest,

607
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: was dealing with a lot of injuries and they were

608
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: able to pick apart. I'm still not going to knock

609
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: the numbers that they were able to put up the points,

610
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 2: the yard, spreading the ball out to ten different guys,

611
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: But I do think that that was almost like a

612
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: confidence booster for them, and I hope that that can

613
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 2: carry on knowing that you're playing at home. I just

614
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: feel like everyone always plays better at home. Sometimes. Russell

615
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: Wilson is undefeated at home as the Steeler starter. So

616
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: and I think the defenses we've talked about for a

617
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: number of reasons has a million more to respond and

618
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: to be the better defense when they go out there

619
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: on Sunday.

620
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 4: So, Miss, You've been obviously really close to the team

621
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 4: and the players for each of their losses this season.

622
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 4: Is it safe to say the one they took the

623
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: hardest was Thursday.

624
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: Night in Cleveland, no doubt. Yeah, I think the Colts

625
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: one was first, right, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Colts

626
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: one was kind of like bizarre it happened there the

627
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: year before, but I think people were kind of like,

628
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 2: we actually they still had a chance. I don't know when,

629
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 2: just that one was kind of almost like puzzling. And

630
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: then I think that the Dallas one was kind of

631
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: hard to do. But I still think the Thursday one,

632
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: And maybe it's because I was on a bus with

633
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: a bunch of players on the way home and just

634
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: you know, verbally hearing their frustrations and whatnot. And I

635
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: think just the fact that it just felt like, even

636
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: though they were able to score in the fourth quarter

637
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: and things were starting to happen, it just felt like

638
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: it was not complimentary whatsoever, and it was going to

639
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: probably take a miracle for that to be the outcome

640
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: that they wanted.

641
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

642
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, if the Steelers are able to win

643
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: this game, they get some the ten wins on the season,

644
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: it all but guarantees. I think looking at the stat

645
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: package that the NFL sends out, I think it's there's

646
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: only been three teams with that were ten and three

647
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 3: that somehow didn't end up going to the playoffs. You know,

648
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: so you have that you're looking at that.

649
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 4: I don't know that any nine win teams get in

650
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 4: this year.

651
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: There might be an AFC team that can maybe Denver. Yeah,

652
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: but I mean this is almost like, okay, if you

653
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: win this one, you're you're probably in the playoffs. Now

654
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: it's all about the seeding stuff, and you know, right,

655
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: I think that's what you're looking at here. These are

656
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Speaker 3: big games. I mean, we all looked at these when

657
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: the schedule came out, so these are gonna be big

658
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Speaker 3: games down the stretch. But they're even bigger I think

659
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Speaker 3: than maybe we even thought when the schedule came out.

660
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is really crazy when you know you're like, okay,

661
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: after like five games and it's at Philly at Baltimore

662
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: short week. Oh by the way, Kansas City Chiefs come

663
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: and obviously there's the Bengals game, which who knows what

664
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Speaker 2: that could mean. But I still don't ever, you know,

665
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: doubt an AFC nor team wanting to ruin something for

666
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: another AFC norths team. You have the play spoiler, and

667
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: I think that was there was definitely a momentum, as

668
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: coach said with Miles Garrett on Thursday night, getting that

669
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Speaker 2: team rolling and making them believe and the Dog Pound

670
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Speaker 2: and everybody. But I do feel like it is crazy

671
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: when you think, Okay, well the Philly game, it's it's

672
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: a good team, they're NFC. But oh, by the way,

673
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: they just beat the Ravens. You start thinking about all

674
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: the different tie breakers and different things that could go

675
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Speaker 2: into that seeding thing. And I I mean, I understand

676
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: it's probably not one hundred percent. Uh you know, you

677
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: went on Sunday you make the playoffs. But I feel

678
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: like everybody is we're making the playoffs. It's where can

679
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: we get a better seating and how are we going

680
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: to situate ourselves. I don't feel like people are like

681
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: teetering on the I don't know, are we going to

682
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Speaker 2: make it this year?

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Speaker 5: Because I think that they have that that much different

684
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Speaker 5: than real It's a different, completely different feeling coming out

685
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Speaker 5: of the Cleveland game and coming.

686
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Speaker 3: Out of what happened in Cincinnati last week. Coming out

687
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Speaker 3: of that game against Cleveland, everybody's like, oh my, you know,

688
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: can they beat the Bengals? You know this this is

689
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: gonna be tough, they're gonna have to score a bunch

690
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: of points, and they go out and do that, and

691
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Speaker 3: they put forty four in the board, and it's just

692
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: just like everybody's like, wow, this this team's pretty good.

693
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Speaker 3: Just completely different feeling.

694
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Speaker 2: Right, And I think even the loss in Cleveland last

695
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: year like that. I mean, obviously that led to somebody

696
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: losing their job, but I still feel like even though

697
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: they were able to go to Cincinnati the next week

698
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: and win, and Pat Fraimers had a big game that

699
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: last year too, it didn't have the same feeling that

700
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: you do now. I think people aren't going to obviously

701
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: be like, well, we're in the postseason. It's more like

702
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: that's the goal. We know we're about to check that box.

703
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: But let's keep getting better and evolving and playing our

704
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Speaker 2: best football, because that's what you're supposed to do during December,

705
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Speaker 2: is you get into.

706
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Speaker 3: January absolutely well. Our guest has been Missy Matthew, Steelers

707
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: sideline reporter. Missy talk to you every Friday, and we

708
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 3: appreciate your insight on what's going on with, you know,

709
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: on the sidelines and those kind of things, and you

710
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: always bring a little something extra to the show that

711
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: Matt and I can't bring, no doubt. Unfortunately, you're not

712
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 3: on camera and we are, which kind of ruins all that.

713
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Speaker 3: But it is what it is. Yeah, people have to

714
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Speaker 3: live with us, but we appreciate your time. Enjoy your

715
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Speaker 3: evening and see at the game on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: See you guys at the act. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: All right, that was a missy Matthews. He is Matt Williamson.

718
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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll be back

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Speaker 3: with more right after.

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Speaker 1: This at least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and

722
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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of

723
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Speaker 1: the Black and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolli. He is Dean,

725
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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson and Matt looking at this game again to Browns.

726
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: We don't have to look back far for the obvious meeting.

727
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Speaker 3: This is the first rematch of the season for the Steelers.

728
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Speaker 4: Which is actually December.

729
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this time of year, we would think that they

730
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 3: would have already had one, but they didn't play anither,

731
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Speaker 3: you know, division games early.

732
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Speaker 4: Which I still have a problem with. But Yeah, such

733
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Speaker 4: as life, that's his life. Yeah, going well enough so far,

734
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Speaker 4: all right, bigger problems out there.

735
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Speaker 3: Yeah to what we just talked about with Missy. If

736
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Speaker 3: you win this game and then you beat the Ravens

737
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Speaker 3: in Baltimore, I think you the division. I think it

738
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Speaker 3: wins the division for you.

739
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Speaker 4: I think that's enough. Yeah. I'm a little on the

740
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Speaker 4: fence of if you beat Browns and Bengals and lose

741
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Speaker 4: the rest, does that get you there?

742
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Speaker 3: You might need probably not a bounce in your direction

743
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Speaker 3: or whatever.

744
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 4: With the Ravens. Yeah.

745
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Speaker 3: The reason why that that one would be so key

746
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: is that the Ravens currently have two AFC North losses,

747
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: so you would hand them a third right right, and

748
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: sweeping I'm gonna go sweeping them would go a long way.

749
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Speaker 3: You have all the tie breakers against them.

750
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Speaker 4: But what if we look at it from a negative standpoint,

751
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 4: What if you lose this game this week? You know, like,

752
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 4: can't just overlook this team right there, dangerous and they

753
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 4: beat you two weeks ago, Then all of a sudden,

754
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 4: then you start looking at some must win type games

755
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 4: as opposed to well, this will steal this it's you know,

756
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Speaker 4: I mean a loss here would hurt you pretty bad.

757
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, a loss here probably means that you're you're going

758
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 3: to be a wild.

759
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 4: Card, probably, but Justin Tucker could miss a million kicks

760
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 4: between now and then too, you know. I mean, we

761
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: can't just assume that they're going to run. Yeah, there's

762
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: the Raiders. They're playing well right right right now. They

763
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Speaker 4: haven't played well.

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Speaker 3: Over the last three or four weeks.

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Speaker 4: I would say, yeah, yeah, I mean, even a loss here,

766
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Speaker 4: I think the Steelers going to playoffs. Yeaheah. I mean

767
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 4: it's not that part. It's a winning the division versus

768
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Speaker 4: seedings and all the stuff we talked about. A home

769
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Speaker 4: playoff game would go along way. We go a long way, absolutely,

770
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Speaker 4: you know. But you also don't want to limp into

771
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Speaker 4: the playoffs, you know, Like, I mean, a loss is

772
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Speaker 4: a loss, But if you lose by twenty on Christmas,

773
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 4: you lose by twenty five in Philadelphia, and all of

774
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Speaker 4: a sudden, it's like this team wasn't any good to

775
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 4: begin with, Like, I mean, you don't want to go

776
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Speaker 4: down that road either.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing about this team that's interesting. Yeah,

778
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 3: they have the three losses, but thereby what combined three.

779
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Speaker 4: To three and what was the last one for Yeah.

780
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 4: So so ten ten point you've lost three games by

781
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 4: ten combined points or no eleven combined points. Yeah, point loss.

782
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure it's the lowest margin of defeat in

783
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Speaker 4: the league.

784
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, because even Kansas City when they lost in Buffalo

785
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: got smoked.

786
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Speaker 4: Right, there's no horrendous games. Yeah, I mean, looking back

787
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: losing the Colts in Dallas and Browns aren't super great teams,

788
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 4: but that's how this league works. If you played them

789
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: all again, I like your chance your favorite every game. Yeah,

790
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: I mean no doubt, I mean even in their buildings

791
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: or whatever. Yeah.

792
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, that's kind of what's on the

793
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: line here if you if you want to win the

794
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: AFC North, if you win your final three AFC North games,

795
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 3: you're definitely winning the AFC North.

796
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I think two to the right teams that

797
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 4: you in. But three locks it up. Three locks it up.

798
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, no matter what you do against Philly, no matter

799
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Speaker 3: what you do against Kansas City.

800
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 4: Right, because you're hurting the Ravens too. Yeah yeah, no,

801
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: I mean that starts Sunday, it starts stub your toe

802
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 4: here though. Yeah.

803
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Speaker 3: So to me, the thing that has to change in

804
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: this game from the previous meeting is the offensive line

805
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: has to win the line.

806
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: Of scrimmage tackles for loss needs teams there were eleven

807
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 4: or eleven eleven verse one. Yeah, that's one of the

808
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: A couple of the numbers that really stand out to

809
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: me postgame was that average starting field position. You know,

810
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 4: things like that that were hard to overcome.

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Speaker 3: Here's one reason why I think that won't happen. I

812
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 3: think one of the things that the Steelers did over

813
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: their little mini buy and I think we saw this

814
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: come to fruition against the Bengals. And nobody's going to

815
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: say this for certain. They're not going to say, oh yeah,

816
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: but it sure looked to me like they were allowing

817
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson to change the plays at the line of.

818
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 4: Way more than any other game. I thought every play,

819
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 4: every play, I mean, using the whole clock, directing traffic.

820
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 4: Oh no, you move a tight end from the side

821
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 4: of this side, move the back to the other side.

822
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Speaker 4: It was like watching Roethlisberger over the last ten years

823
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 4: of his career.

824
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Speaker 3: Ben's the offensive coordinator. Not really, yeah, but.

825
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: They're working at hand, but they work freedom.

826
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Speaker 3: All those meetings that Russell Wilson and Arthur Smith have

827
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 3: on Friday night when they're going over the game plan.

828
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Speaker 3: They're going over, all, right, here's we're going to have

829
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: two or three plays. If we get this look, this

830
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: is what this is what I want you to run.

831
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Speaker 3: If we get this, look, this is what I want

832
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: you to run. I don't want to run into it

833
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: a nine man box, which is what we'd seen in

834
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: that Browns game. It didn't matter if there were seventeen

835
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Speaker 3: guys at the line of scrimmage. They were running the

836
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: football and that's where those tackles for a loss came

837
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Speaker 3: into play. The Bengals came out and tried to load

838
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: the box, and the Steeler, says eh Russell, Wilson changes

839
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: some stuff around and they throw the ball.

840
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 4: Yeah a lot. Yeah, especially early in the game. Now,

841
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's people out there counter and they're like,

842
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: there's only two weeks ago this happened. What drastically could change?

843
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 4: It's in that amount of time. Did a little self scout.

844
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: I think the ten day stretch there might have done it.

845
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: Or it's not like they took the training wheels off

846
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 4: for us, you know, I mean like he obviously had

847
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 4: more freedom than Fields or Picket or any of these guys.

848
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 4: But I do think the point Tomlin might have been, like,

849
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 4: dude on the show, well here's saying something, get out

850
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 4: of it.

851
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: And this was something interesting that Arthur Smith said yesterday.

852
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: He said, look, early in the season, you know, we

853
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: probably weren't doing as much of that because you got

854
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: a rookie center. Yeah, now you have a rookie right tackle,

855
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 3: the right guard, I should say.

856
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, the offensive line shuffling every week.

857
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: Every week, the offense is still new for everybody at

858
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: that point. You got two new quarterbacks.

859
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: Ye, you know.

860
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,959
Speaker 3: So now you're at the point. You're at the point

861
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: now with Wilson that you trust him out there. You

862
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 3: probably did all along.

863
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet he's the most trustworthy piece of the pubble,

864
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: but some of the other pieces.

865
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Speaker 3: But it's not just about him. When he starts changing

866
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: stuff around, the offensive line has to know where that Okay,

867
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: who's blocking what?

868
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 4: Now? The two rookies Fraser McCormick can't look at each

869
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Speaker 4: other like do you know what he's talking about?

870
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Speaker 2: No?

871
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 4: No, not anyway? Right, yeah, right, that's I mean, it's

872
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 4: it's it's a loud stadium is going on.

873
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: So now they have more experience under their belts. Your

874
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: offensive line has been the same now over the last

875
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: at least six weeks, and your receivers, now, okay, when

876
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: we when I make a check in this situation, Okay,

877
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: what's what's my blocking scheme? How's that change? If I'm

878
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 3: the back in the backfield?

879
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 4: Okay? Who am I blocking? Here?

880
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: Which side?

881
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 4: Am I picking?

882
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 3: All those little things they run wrong around?

883
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: Right?

884
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 4: That? You know, I think think we're kind of missing.

885
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: There are now things that you can do because everybody

886
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: in the offense has continued to grow.

887
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, And again I'm trying to think

888
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: what skeptics might be fighting us on this. I mean,

889
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 4: why shouldn't shouldn't that have been installed in training camp?

890
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 4: Why didn't that happen by week one, week two? Whatever?

891
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: Again, young offensive line out there.

892
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 4: And there's so much less practice time than there used

893
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 4: to be. Yeah, I mean, and there's a lot and

894
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 4: in this league there's so many more moving parts than

895
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 4: Bradshaw's day or you know, I mean, Wolf always talks

896
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: about touch and out just ground at each other. And

897
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 4: we all knew, you know.

898
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 3: Started five different offensive line combinations in the first seven weeks.

899
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's a very little practice time to get

900
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 4: that stuff to where the coaches say take it and

901
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 4: go and we forget.

902
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 3: In four of those instances, guys were making their first

903
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 3: career starts. Yeah, yeah, like it's a long time ago.

904
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: It was a long time.

905
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: I haven't talked about that in a long time. But

906
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: that's what that's a situation.

907
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 4: They were four.

908
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: Guys on their offensive line made their first career art

909
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: this year.

910
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 4: If Roderick Jones is like your veteran guy and what's

911
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 4: he twenty three or something and the second year, yeah,

912
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 4: still learning his way.

913
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: He just started maybe a seventeenth career game, you know.

914
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's about where he's at, right exactly. I mean

915
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 4: that's where you're at with these.

916
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So it's it's it's a you know, they're

917
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: still very young, but now I think there's that that

918
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 3: trust value is there, The trust factor is there because

919
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: you don't want to tell Russ, let's say, three four

920
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: weeks ago, Hey, Russ, we want you to make a

921
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: lot of changes. It's a line of scrimmage here because

922
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: we know you can do it. But if you make

923
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: those changes and nobody like that again, McCormick and and

924
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: and everybody else, you know, the young off Asier and

925
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: those guys are looking at each other going, what do

926
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: I do here?

927
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 4: What's our blocking scheme here? I don't know. They have

928
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: to know it like this. I mean, Russ is like

929
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 4: the college professor, but some of his students are in

930
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 4: fourth grade, right, you know what I mean? Like you

931
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 4: got it. You can't just teach him all the same,

932
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So, I mean, I think

933
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 4: that's now people can get you know, like Russ, we

934
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 4: know you can do this stuff. It's kind of back though,

935
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 4: like we're always opened the show about not losing games.

936
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's things that he comes to line like oh,

937
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 4: they're gonna single pickings. I'm going there, you know, of course.

938
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 4: But I think as important, if not more, is I'm

939
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: not going to run the wrong the bad play, Like

940
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 4: this play has to be blocked, perfect and nause. He's

941
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: gonna have to make two guys miss for it to

942
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 4: be a successful play. I'm not calling that. I mean,

943
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 4: if that's a call, Looker came in, Well, I'm getting

944
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 4: out of it, you know, get out of the bad stuff.

945
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get out of the bad stuff. Into a

946
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 3: better play and give yourself a better chance.

947
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 4: That's a lot of them. There's gonna be bad looks

948
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 4: at the Lion scrimmage all the time, all the time,

949
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 4: all the time. Right, they guess right, or they run.

950
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: A defense because they have coaches too, right, you know,

951
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: you have tendencies no matter how much you try to

952
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 3: avoid them.

953
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: And it's kind of a game of chance, like I'm

954
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: rolling to die hoping, you know, more often not I'm

955
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 4: going to knock and get snaked. We called a zone,

956
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 4: yeah they're in man or call a run that's supposed

957
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 4: to go through the right B gap, but for whatever

958
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 4: reason they aligned. They got three right there, you know,

959
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 4: like that's the that's not the bubble we want to

960
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 4: run at, you know.

961
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: So it's it's all part of it. And I think

962
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: that's a big if you can get you that point. Yeah,

963
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: it's now your offense starts to take off a little bit.

964
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 3: And that's to me. If you look back at the

965
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: game against the Bengals, it wasn't just Wilson dropping back

966
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: and throwing bomb after bomb.

967
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 4: No, it was ball came out of his hands quicker

968
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 4: and average ups of target was much lower. Yeah, because that's.

969
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: What they were giving them, right, he just took what

970
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: they were giving him.

971
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 4: Gonna play Tampa two and run your middle linebacker down

972
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 4: the middle of the field. I'm gonna throw where he

973
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: used to be and let nausey and more and get

974
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 4: yards all.

975
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: My tight ends and let's sea. Yeah, you know, just okay,

976
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: that's what you're going to do. So it makes him

977
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: a more dangerous team.

978
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 4: At times a thousand and we've said this eight thousand

979
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 4: times since the drive has been created. But there's no

980
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 4: perfect defense. And if I know what your defense is running,

981
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 4: I'm going to attack its weaknesses. You know, everybody runs.

982
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: You went out and got a thirteen year veteran quarterback.

983
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's been missing a lot though

984
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: last couple of years. And even the coach's headsets go off.

985
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure they're like, hey, I'm not picking

986
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 4: on Kenny, but he's the most recent. You know, Kenny,

987
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 4: keep an eye out for this rotating safety if he

988
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 4: comes down, check out of it or whatever. Well, he's

989
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 4: kind of giving me a look. He's kind of not

990
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm gonna stick with the play. I'm

991
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 4: not getting in trouble here. You know, it's a human Natriu.

992
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: I'm new, you know, absolutely, So that could be a

993
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 3: difference in this game this week.

994
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: I just saw difference in the rest of the year. Yeah, exactly.

995
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: You know, I just saw way more of Wilson directing

996
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: traffic at the line of scrimmage against the Bengals.

997
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 4: I mean, think like Aaron Rodgers in his prime. Just

998
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: even now, he has such such command of the Ben's

999
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 4: last year, he's to have such command of the building,

1000
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 4: I mean, the entire environment. Yeah.

1001
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: The interesting thing is that Roethlisberger. I had this in

1002
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: my five for Friday this week. Roethlisberger's most productive season

1003
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: in terms of yardage came in year when he was

1004
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: thirty six.

1005
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 4: Really yeah, I mean, really good guys to throw to

1006
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: at that point, but still so much quarterbacks above the neck.

1007
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so much it's above the neck. And Wilson just

1008
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 3: turned thirty six. So this isn't even really his age

1009
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: thirty six season because he just turned thirty six last Friday.

1010
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: We go today next year is actually his age thirty

1011
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: six season, because that's the one he'll be thirty six

1012
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: to longest.

1013
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So I mean he could give you a

1014
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: couple of years, there's no question. Yeah. Absolutely, but I

1015
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 4: don't see any physical decline.

1016
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: No.

1017
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 4: I mean Ben obviously had the elbow, which changed things dramatically.

1018
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyways, let's get to a break. That's going to

1019
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: do it for our number one of the drive here

1020
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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be

1021
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Speaker 3: back with our number two right after this