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Speaker 2: And here we are in Indianapolis at the Combine, scrambling

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Speaker 2: to put our headsets on as we're discussing the various

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Speaker 2: merits of different kinds of coffee because it is coffee day.

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Speaker 3: It's Friday, It's coffee day. Man.

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Speaker 4: I'm just happy you remembered that you're running the show here.

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Speaker 3: You know it took me. It took me three days.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's there's a there's a segment at the

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Speaker 2: end of the show I do with Max the locker room.

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Speaker 2: The last segment is always a bell lap, right, bell lap.

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Speaker 2: Get ready for the last segment and get ready for lunch,

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Speaker 2: but I intro every other segment before that. There it

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Speaker 2: is justin Miller, justin Miller. It took me six weeks

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Speaker 2: to remember to just shut the you know what up

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Speaker 2: and let Max take it because I just you know,

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Speaker 2: you get in the groove and you're coming out of

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Speaker 2: break and I'm like, oh, I remember that tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: No, I won't. Didn't I remember it today? Though? How

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Speaker 3: you guys doing good? Man?

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Speaker 2: Fantastic? So, first of all, how was the game last night?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea who one you went to the

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Speaker 2: Purdue Michigan State game worth the hour trip.

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Speaker 3: West, and I started the first hour talking about this.

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Speaker 3: I guess if you're out there Steeler Nation, you can

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Speaker 3: hear a little bit about it today at least until noon.

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Speaker 3: But no break. Purdue, hosting number thirteen Michigan State, came

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Speaker 3: down to an inbounds play with three and a half seconds. Oh,

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Speaker 3: Purdue tries a three at the buzzer and missed, and

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Speaker 3: they lose. My two party, one party, seventy six, seventy

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Speaker 3: four fan pass. The college basketball environment Mack Arena, which

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Speaker 3: is a facility but has been refurbished. Perdue is his

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Speaker 3: fervent about college hoops as any campus in the country,

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Speaker 3: and uh it was. It was a lot of fun,

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Speaker 3: well worth the hour drive.

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Speaker 2: There was a moment last night because you get to

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Speaker 2: this point of the trip and it's it's tiring.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a long week.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying we're digging a ditch out here,

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Speaker 2: but you're getting that point where're like, Okay, I think

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Speaker 2: I could I could use a good night's sleep tonight, which,

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Speaker 2: of course I didn't get tossing and turning in my

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Speaker 2: I was like, hmmm, I actually said it. We're out

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Speaker 2: to dinner. I like, what do you say, boys? You

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Speaker 3: Scouts and dents. But uh oh, I'm glad it was

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Speaker 3: a great game. Man, I'm glad it was a great game.

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Speaker 4: Is that the first time you've been to that stadium

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Speaker 3: Since I was in college in the early nineteen eighties. Wow?

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Speaker 3: And hasn't changed that much of it changed? The mark? Okay,

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Speaker 3: been to? I mean, is it up? There? Is it?

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Speaker 3: And how about assembly hauling in assembly halls a cathedral. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Maccaerine is a really fun place to go. Ok different,

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Speaker 3: the five National Championships had something to do with that

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Speaker 3: But I will tell you this. I was able to

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Speaker 3: I think it holds about fourteen fifteen thousand. But this

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Speaker 2: That that is that sensation I have to say, just

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Speaker 3: I haven't been to Cameron. I've been to Lambo several times.

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Speaker 3: Lambo should be number one on Oh it is, it's

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Speaker 3: been between the hedges, but I've seen a game in Alabama.

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Speaker 3: I went several years or Minka was playing nause he

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Speaker 3: environment was I wanted to go down there when Saban

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Speaker 3: the world. Yeah. Yeah, and the Alabama Southern Football it's different.

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Speaker 2: My wife's a Tennessee graduate, so we've been to a

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Speaker 2: we've been to a couple. I mean, I really want

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Speaker 2: that's probably that's probably number one. I mean, I've been

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Speaker 2: probably not one, but the SEC.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying the SEC is better, but the

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Speaker 3: the game's just so all in passionate. Right.

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Speaker 4: So my son is pledging a fraternity right now a

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Speaker 4: University of Kentucky is a true freshman, so he's learning

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Speaker 4: it's SEC. And he was there during football season a

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Speaker 4: couple of times and SEC games wrap up and they're like,

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Speaker 4: And they're like, that's not real football? So like, don't

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Speaker 3: I mean they don't even put it on. It's just

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but it's not like yeah like they said,

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Speaker 3: On and then you know your son, I'm sure he's

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Speaker 3: been to Roperena by Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: He shot a half court shot there, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. You want to talk about college basketball cathedrals. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And the thing about Ropperena is it's massive, and Kentucky

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Speaker 3: only hangs banners for national championships and final fours, and

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Speaker 3: I was so, you know, conference championship for Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have liked to have. I'd like to

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Speaker 2: see a Kentucky game there. I was there for an

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Speaker 2: NCAA tournament round. They had a Repperena that that's when

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Speaker 2: I went. I saw Pitt loose to kent State. I

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Speaker 2: wonder if that's the game. No, I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that was. I don't think that was

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Speaker 2: the one. And the game before was Indiana Duke. Wow,

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Speaker 2: that's pretty much Atty good Night of college. That's a

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Speaker 2: pretty good name. Antonio Gates. I'll make this out a team. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: he was on the kids. We're tugging it slowly back

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Speaker 2: to the combine here, very well done, well done. Now

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Speaker 2: was he at the combine Antonio Gates? Probably not because

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Speaker 2: he didn't play college football.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I can't remember. He wanted to play

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Speaker 3: college football. He went to Michigan State and he wanted

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Speaker 3: to play both. And Nick Saban before he went to Alabama,

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Speaker 3: and Antonio Gates said, no, I'm not. So he went

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Speaker 3: to Kins State played basketball and then he said, okay,

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Speaker 3: I'll try to football. Very cool, okay.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's a good call toper like rebounder, tough guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a low block.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the kind of guy would It would have

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Speaker 2: because he was six five six five post guyized Mark

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Speaker 2: Acquire did that, but not too many guys, not too

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: Your impression, No, No, I don't I don't want to

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do that because I'm mad at

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Speaker 2: myself for not getting to the forum before they before

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Speaker 2: they tore that down.

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Speaker 3: That's no.

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Speaker 2: The Montreal form, that's a huge I made. The maple

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Speaker 2: to a game in Detroit before the baseball stadium before

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Speaker 2: they tore that.

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Speaker 3: I would have liked to have the baseball guy you are,

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Speaker 3: would have really liked. I love.

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Speaker 2: I loved old Comiskey Park. I went to a game

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Speaker 2: there in Chicago, loved it. Oh, there there are pillars

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Speaker 2: in the way. It was a terrible part of town smelled.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: He was exactly took your life, all those things, all

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's go to a double right.

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Speaker 2: But you're there and you're thinking, hey, man, this is

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Speaker 2: where the Black Sox scandal happened. You know, there's history there.

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Speaker 2: Detroit would have been the same way. You know, Ty

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Speaker 2: Cobb played there, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, got got stabbed last week.

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Speaker 2: All right, listen, Matt, We've we had people taking the

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Speaker 2: field yesterday, yeah, tee, people on the combine, Yeah, sunny styles.

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Speaker 4: It's off the charts.

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's one hundredth percentile athletics score across

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Speaker 3: He's six'. Five, yeah forty three point eight inch. Vertical

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Speaker 3: was that what it?

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Speaker 4: Was, Yes and that's WHAT i was just listening to

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Speaker 4: podcast this, Morning tom mcshay's, Show and that is the

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Speaker 4: highest in combine history by someone over two hundred and forty.

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Speaker 4: Pounds and it's like the ninth or tenth highest in

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Speaker 4: history period of all the one hundred and eighty. Dudes

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Speaker 4: AND i, Mean i've been doing this a long time

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Speaker 4: and he's six.' five i don't know if he gets

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Speaker 3: Like our BUDDIES in nfl research put some context, Onto.

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Speaker 3: This Okay sonny styles ran Faster Than. Derwin james he

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Speaker 3: was quicker in terms of the ten yards Split Than. Adrian.

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Speaker 3: Peterson wow he jumped HIGHER Than dk metcalf vertical and

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Speaker 3: he jumped farther Abroad Than. Miles. GARRETT yeah i. DON'T

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Speaker 3: know i don't know whether to pick. Those, four still

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Speaker 4: they both ran like four. Four sixes two nuns who

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Speaker 3: This research you'll be keeping track of his go along

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Speaker 2: if you could. Do that and then he does that and,

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Speaker 2: No way he's not lasting. Till ten you're not getting

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Speaker 3: That's right it would be quarterback prices to go up again.

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Speaker 4: Don't think he's gonna be there twenty one Either from

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Speaker 2: Be interesting he's the one coming off, the, injury right

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Speaker 4: Ross, the past the medicals here and had ungodly wingspan

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Speaker 3: Was very, very. Impressive right And Then peter woods is

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Speaker 4: Would be he doesn't really interest me For the steelers because,

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Speaker 4: he's like they don't have anyone that's really two hundred and,

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Speaker 4: BE okay i just can't see using a first round

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Speaker 3: This player could you get? THAT player i don't see

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Speaker 2: TRADE up i could see, them making, you know moving

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Speaker 2: you KNOW what. I, mean so so if, they fall that's.

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Speaker 2: A problem if they if they are what you think,

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Speaker 3: Because you're not gonna get a bit twenty.

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Speaker 4: One yep and but mistakes are, made too, you know

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Speaker 4: like the majority of THE ev ow should be in

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Speaker 4: the bat in, the books, you know like. That's, RIGHT

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Speaker 4: yeah I Give sony styles all the credit in. The

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Speaker 4: know he's, pretty, athletic right, you, know like, you know

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Speaker 4: don't give it to him twice because he runs, fast

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Speaker 4: here don't give him double credit.

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Speaker 3: For it, you know. He's fast. You Know we're Chris

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Speaker 3: yeah those guys. Are young so they were talking ABOUT R,

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Speaker 4: RELATIVE yeah i don't actually retweeted a bunch of it.

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Speaker 3: LAST night i. DON'T care i just watched. THE game

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Speaker 3: I know style is. Pretty, good, yeah right he's a.

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Speaker 2: YOUR guy i guess the only thing that it would

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Speaker 4: Styles guy like we were walking to dinner, last NIGHT

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Speaker 4: Know hey i'm definitely not, a SCOUT but i like

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of value TO what i call assembly

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Speaker 4: be like he looks awkward and, you know can't change

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Speaker 4: you know but you can this definitely decipher one versus.

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Speaker 3: THE other i had a scout tell me that exact

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Speaker 3: value yeah one. After another theory.

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Speaker 4: Is, value yeah three quarterbacks a row in, a row

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Speaker 2: LOOK good i will say this about, all SCOUTING and

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Speaker 2: to be a, good day and the scout only sees. You,

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Speaker 2: don't and you wake up and you're a little, bit

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Speaker 2: stiff and you're doing the three and it's just not,

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Speaker 3: Second off what down goes your. Draft stock that's one

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Speaker 4: The comment it makes me CRAZY because i don't KNOW

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Speaker 4: if i told you, guys this BUT when i was At,

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Speaker 4: nobody wants to do. This job but ONE day i

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Speaker 4: had to gather all the tight ends up at like

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Speaker 4: five in, the morning like mother duck and they just

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Speaker 4: followed me down the HALLWAY and i got them to

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Speaker 4: wherever they had to go, that day the testing. Or

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Speaker 4: whatever they. HATED it i mean like it was five in.

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Speaker 4: THE morning i think it was, day three the. Day

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Speaker 4: one they'd been poked and prodded like crazy with medicals and,

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Speaker 4: you know no. One slept two of them probably had,

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Speaker 4: the sniffles, you know, right right go run the best

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Speaker 4: three cone of, your life.

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Speaker 3: Right yeah and the.

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Speaker 4: Old school scouts, are, like well it's all could be Perfect,

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Speaker 4: on SUNDAY but i. Don't know can't you pick when

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Speaker 4: you do your? Best day, you know like it's really hard.

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Speaker 2: On, These, guys yeah, It is and then and then

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Speaker 2: some people will, tell you well that's part. Of it

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Speaker 3: IT right i, get it, you know an, EASY game.

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Speaker 2: I know so there was there was SOMETHING by PFF

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Speaker 2: and i don't have it in front. Of me i'm

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Speaker 2: going to try to get it in front of YOU if.

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Speaker 2: I CAN but i thought it was really interesting in

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Speaker 2: that they were telling you what was important about, certain

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Speaker 2: drills like, FOR example i think they said they were

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Speaker 2: anything else like, How quickly so that's going to be,

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Speaker 2: YOU know i don't care how fast. You run what

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Speaker 2: Is your not that you, don't care but what is

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Speaker 2: what is that footwork in the pocket going to? Look

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Speaker 2: like and then that makes the three? Code important and

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Speaker 2: then a little splits about. This, MORNING no i think

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Speaker 2: YOU know, i mean if you're a, defensive, lineman right

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Speaker 3: Care that. You know the Second one i've heard for

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Speaker 3: mean some guys are more quick. THAN fast i guess

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Speaker 3: they'd do it for. A reason i have so much

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Speaker 4: The opposite i'm at the edge of my seat on this.

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Speaker 3: Right now are you really to?

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Speaker 4: Be honest that's my big project for next week because

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Speaker 4: lately there's some pffs of the world that have done

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Speaker 4: more research than in, previous years because there's more DATA

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Speaker 4: that i do think there's some correlation here to what,

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Speaker 4: really matters and it's not what. You think and the

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Speaker 4: BEST example i can give and you guys would, Be,

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Speaker 4: like INITIALLY when i, tell you you're gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Like that doesn't make a lot Of.

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Speaker 4: Sense williamson BUT after, I explain i think It WILL

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Speaker 4: number i think it's, four four which is a. GOOD

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Speaker 4: Are here like ninety percent of those guys in the

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Speaker 4: last fifteen years have all gone onto have. Good careers

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Speaker 4: and you'll, be like why does it matter that much

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Speaker 4: guard well you got. To guard you got To Block

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Speaker 4: aaron donald who starts on your, right shoulder crosses, your

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Speaker 4: face and you've got to change directions and change directions

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Speaker 4: and still keep. Your balance and, more so you got

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Speaker 4: to get to the second level and block this linebacker

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Speaker 4: that's eighty pounds less, than you that doesn't just. Stand

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Speaker 4: still so if you look at all of, them there

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Speaker 4: a lot of them are like fifth six. Round picks

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Speaker 4: think it. AFFIRMS it, i mean like there's something you.

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Speaker 4: Kind OF but, I mean i do think if you

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Speaker 4: it's it's uncanny though if, you went if you look

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Speaker 4: at all the guards and centers for the last, ten

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Speaker 4: years and this, magic number everyone is. Below it ninety

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Speaker 4: percent of them are starters. Right now, But here mason

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Speaker 4: McCormick's one, of.

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Speaker 2: Them right so here's the other, thing too Is That so,

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Speaker 2: Mason McCormick i'm glad you brought, that. Out Right so, mason, McCormick.

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Speaker 4: Like I bet omarby, like that we like that. About

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Speaker 4: it i'm sure he, knew.

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Speaker 2: That right so somebody is He's Playing south dakota and

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Speaker 2: he's going against the defensive lineman that's going to Do

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Speaker 2: what matt. Is described he's going to move from his

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Speaker 2: left to, his right and And h mason. McCormick stones

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Speaker 2: now that guy's Playing for alabama.

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Speaker 3: And he's moving from his left. To, right well and

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Speaker 3: that's that's a little. Bit Different, so.

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Speaker 2: Okay The, senior Bowl The senior bowl is one thing,

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Speaker 2: for sure, for sure but it's also, YOU know i

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Speaker 2: would think for.

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Speaker 3: These Guys plus i'm sorry, to interrupt but don't they

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Speaker 3: run different? In pads, for.

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Speaker 4: Sure but that drill definitely translates for. That position is

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Speaker 4: that the?

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Speaker 3: Only, one like there's no other indicators our draft? Forever

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Speaker 3: right ten. Yards splits, another way we're a, head coach

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Speaker 3: come to the press conference after they make a first.

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Speaker 3: Round Pick bill, belichick's well there's. Three code we just

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Speaker 3: couldn't pass, them, up, right, Right, right well you're not going.

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Speaker 3: To talk who, talks? Right?

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Speaker 2: Right yeah who talks about that at? A? Podium, nobody right?

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Speaker 2: You're right so it was the athletic who put. The

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Speaker 2: number i've got them and we're gonna.

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Speaker 6: Go over, OH good i got. THAT emails i can't

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Speaker 6: wait to click. On, IT yeah i got it. For

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Speaker 6: you that's as we continue our. Draft coverage We're in

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Speaker 6: indianapolis and you're Listening On Steelers, nation radio part Of

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Speaker 6: The steeler's.

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Speaker 3: Audio network.

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Speaker 1: This Is live coverrea chub that twenty TWENTY Six nfl

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Speaker 1: Combine On Steelers, nation radio a part Of The Steelers, Audio.

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Speaker 2: Network indianapolis as we continue our combine Coverage And mike

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Speaker 2: pursuit is gonna just adore. THIS segment i find it

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Speaker 2: to be, extremely.

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Speaker 4: Fascinating pretty psyched. About him so this is.

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Speaker 2: The athletic telling you in an article what is really

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Speaker 2: important to be looking at IN the, nfl combine so

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Speaker 2: you know you have your so. Medical testing they start

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00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: this out medical, testing interviews athletic testing for, the scouts

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00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 2: because they've already seen, these guys.

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Speaker 4: All RIGHT and i mean, in order that's medicals, number one.

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Speaker 2: That's in, THE, order yep looking for good health HIGH.

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Speaker 2: FOOTBALL iq i would actually fight them. On, interviews okay

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00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 2: those fifteen minute interviews you don't get. MUCH done, i

486
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Speaker 2: mean kid comes in and you shakes a Bunch of

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Speaker 2: i've been. IN them, i mean kid comes in and

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Speaker 2: shakes a bunch, Of hands you ask him two or,

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Speaker 2: Three questions he kind of b.

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Speaker 3: Ses his way, through it and then the bell rings

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Speaker 3: and he. Moves on.

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Speaker 2: You, Know okay so now, two seventeen this is the three.

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Speaker 2: Cone drill these are the examples they've used of the

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Speaker 2: first and second round quarterbacks taken since twenty seventeen and

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Speaker 2: what their three cone. Times were AND now i will,

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Speaker 2: say this it looks to me just looking at, this

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Speaker 2: list like there's a couple more second rounders and the,

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Speaker 2: slower times and more first rounders and the. Faster times

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Speaker 2: here your fastest three. Cone times, you, READY okay, Jj McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Deshaun Watson, Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 2: Baker mayfield that is seven. Or, under okay here are

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Speaker 2: the guys right here the guys, over seven and we're

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Speaker 2: talking about three one hundreds of a Second Between baker

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Speaker 2: Mayfield And. Drew locke and Then It's, Mac, Jones, Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 2: Josh Rosen, Paxton Lynch, Jared Goff. Jordan love so you

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Speaker 2: Will Take herbert Goff and love and happily move him

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Speaker 2: over to the. Left side but there's more bust there

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Speaker 2: on the, right, side right more guys.

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Speaker 3: Who Busted And, josh, allen conversely is clearly who he

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Speaker 3: is because of his three, Come see i'm gonna kind.

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Speaker 3: Of lead there aren't any other attributes there the Screen.

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Speaker 4: Franchise quarterback i'm gonna, but again it is a it

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Speaker 4: Is a it is an exclamation point on what you've. Already,

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Speaker 4: seen yeah see THE way i take this. One again, I'm,

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Speaker 4: Reading actually i'm looking forward to this article because people

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Speaker 4: told Me That the athletic did really good work, on

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Speaker 4: This and i've been excited to. Read IT and i,

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Speaker 4: will tonight but This one i'm up, buying Because like herbert's,

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Speaker 4: Isn't great but when you're, really tall a three cone drill.

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Speaker 3: Is really hard, to do absolutely really hard.

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Speaker 4: To do SO when i heard, His time, i'm like

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Speaker 4: that's really good for a six to, six, quarterback right

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Speaker 4: because the three cone is all about getting low bending,

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Speaker 4: edge rushers, you know like dipping, that shoulder, you know

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Speaker 4: like Think About james harrison or one of those dudes

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Speaker 4: that can get low. In corner THAT'S why i like

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Speaker 4: the three. Cone drill, but REALLY all i take out

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Speaker 4: of this Is.

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Speaker 3: D line's.

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Speaker 4: Way Better, NO line i need, an athlete. A quarterback,

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Speaker 4: so now if you are a, decent athlete you should

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Speaker 4: have a decent three cone. AND athleticism a quarterback is

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Speaker 4: more important. Than, ever Okay So drew bloedsoe would be a.

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Speaker 2: Bus today here's the ONE that i really like and

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Speaker 2: which makes sense. To me weighted speed score. Forunning back now, they,

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Speaker 2: say so what that means is They.

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Speaker 3: Take mike's gonna hate. This one they, take.

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Speaker 2: No, But, mike mike this is gonna make sense, to,

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Speaker 2: You right so they take the speed on the size

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Speaker 2: of the athlete and they.

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Speaker 3: Combine, Them right so if you're a, little.

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Speaker 4: Guys IS the nfl likes fast. Big, people right.

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Speaker 3: Let me write. That down i've been doing. This wrong you.

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Speaker 3: Gotta go you gotta Go to scout school to figure. This, one,

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Speaker 3: yeah okay so. Is good here's what they saw. SLOW

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Speaker 3: back i, knew, you guys knew MORE than. I, DO

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Speaker 3: bad i just never knew.

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Speaker 2: How far so there's a difference Between Sa quon barkley

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Speaker 2: running a four to four thirty pounds Heavier Than james

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Speaker 2: cook running a. Four four so they're gonna that's what

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Speaker 2: THEY'RE it's E equals. Mc, squared really it's what. It

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Speaker 2: is it's it's the, you know energy equals mask to.

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Speaker 3: Whatever that that is.

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Speaker 4: Equals m what's that force equals mass. Times, acceleration, okay

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Speaker 4: there that's, even.

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Speaker 3: Better Big Time nike einstein out. Of, IT yeah i.

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Speaker 3: Clearly did you're going from analytics. TO physics i should just. Leave,

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Speaker 3: me no but it. Is physics it, is Physics so

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Speaker 3: i'll understand.

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Speaker 4: That Either So football siders is a very good analytic

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Speaker 4: group and they've been around for like thirty years and

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Speaker 4: they call it their speed score and it's. Unbelievably simple

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Speaker 4: all they do is take your weight and multiply it

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Speaker 4: times your, forty time and whoever's the best. Score, Wins

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Speaker 4: right so big and fast.

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Speaker 3: As, good right and here is the here? Or there

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Speaker 3: this one's. Really, simple, yeah yeah and. It is it.

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Speaker 3: Is SIMPLE but i don't think a lot of people

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Speaker 3: look at it. That, way no they look at. This

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Speaker 3: people but they, also said when.

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Speaker 4: The running, backs run they're gonna, be like look at

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Speaker 4: all these. Four fours, i'm, like well look at the

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Speaker 4: four to. Five guy that's two hundred and thirty.

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Speaker 3: Five.

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Speaker 2: Pounds yeah, they said if you run a higher than

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Speaker 2: a four, to six you've. Got, problems, Yes right so

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Speaker 2: you don't want to, be slow no matter what your,

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Speaker 2: size is although there are some exceptions so on THE

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Speaker 2: but i could have told.

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Speaker 3: Us yesterday on the slow.

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Speaker 2: Forty Side Is, clyde edwards D Laire, kareem hunt who

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Speaker 2: has had a, Nice Career david montgomery certainly had a,

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Speaker 2: Nice Career zach moss has, Been decent james conn has

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Speaker 2: had a, Good Career, Devin Singletary. Alexander madison on the,

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Speaker 2: other side the weighted SPEED SCORE. A J dillon i

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Speaker 2: wouldn't call him a.

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Speaker 4: Great, career no you got hurt a little, bit, Too

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Speaker 4: though but.

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Speaker 3: He's huge. He's, good yeah he was a. Pretty, good

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00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 3: yeah that's why his score. Is Good derrick henry.

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00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 2: Not Bad, Leonard Fournett, Saquon Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ezekiel Elliott.

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00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: Nick, chubb yeah they were.

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00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: Great players big, and fast big, And fast big and fast,

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Speaker 2: is goody big, and fast big and fast.

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Speaker 3: Is good write.

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 4: Down, yeah yeah and, fasts yes big?

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00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 3: Or, fast no big. Big fast when you add the,

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Speaker 3: two together it's.

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Speaker 4: Better than little.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 2: Slow yeah this is this is what we CALL the

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Speaker 2: bf EQUALS. G r matt hat is the big plus

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Speaker 2: fast equals good? Is, GOOD yeah bf equals g Explode,

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00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: Really okay so some.

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Speaker 4: Of these are, too simple but like my interior line,

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00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: In one i'll stand by.

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00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: With that people wouldn't think of.

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00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: So receivers what's the most important thing for a receiver

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Speaker 2: being able to catch?

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Speaker 4: The, football okay FOR these i won three.

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00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: Con uh by, the way lots, Of guys lots of

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Speaker 2: guys can catch.

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Speaker 3: The football lots of. Guys, can't yeah but lots, of

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00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: guys so a Lot of it's true, You mean i'd

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Speaker 3: be able to.

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Speaker 2: Catch football but you've a lot of people would look

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Speaker 2: at the forty, Time right are these? Guys fast can they?

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Speaker 2: Get separation? You know and there's a there's a school

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00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: thinking you can teach guys, to catch although we've seen

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Speaker 2: too that's not.

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00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: That easy there's a lot of theories about a lot

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Speaker 3: of stuff. Kicking out so is the forty yard?

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Speaker 2: Dash important the answer, is nope it's even adjusting, for

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00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: weight even adjusting, for weight so big, And fast mike

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Speaker 2: forty speed rarely correlates with the Receivers success IN, the

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Speaker 2: nfl teams were and this is again this is gonna

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00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: kind of throwing the combine out. The, window here teams

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Speaker 2: are better off simply drafting well regarded receivers who were

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Speaker 2: tall the tallest receiver drafted in the first two rounds

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00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: since twenty seventeen versus. The, Fastest okay so here are the,

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00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: Tall Guys, CHRISTIAN Watson, T higgins, Ted McMillan, Drake London,

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00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: Mike Williams, Michael Pittman. Jayden higgins here are the, FAST,

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00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: Guys xavi, You're Worthy, John Ross, Henry, Ruggs, Taekwon, Thornton Ronde,

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00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: All Moore, Matthew Golden.

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00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: Paris campbell, i'm close not. EVEN close i mean, THIS

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00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: one I Buy. John Ross john ross four point, two

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00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: two second fastest forty in history since two thousand, and

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00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: three and uh he was taking ninth overall By, the

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Speaker 3: BENGALS and i bet they still.

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00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: REGRET that i Mean Even hayward bay was the record.

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00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 4: He broke, and yeah If the raiders did this.

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00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: Every year it feels Like the bengals have done that

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00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: a little Bit With john Ross And miles Murphy And,

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00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: shamar stewart you know guys that show up.

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00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: Well, here YEAH but i would, say that, you Know

647
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: to matt's, tiebreaker theory which a lot of this. STUFF is,

648
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: i mean if you give me two six five guys

649
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: who can catch the ball and are physical and they're

650
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: willing to block and can do something with it after,

651
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: The catch i'm gonna draft a guy who. Runs, Faster

652
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: see i'm not gonna shy away from the, other.

653
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: GUY right i, REALLY think, i THINK and i, Don't,

654
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: know matt maybe the three cone drill, addresses THIS but

655
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: i think fluidity, Corner, CORNERING okay i would call. It,

656
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: fluidity yeah that's.

657
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: Great one, you know if your ability to decelerate the right,

658
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: is important?

659
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: Right exactly.

660
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: You know, UH listen i used to play a lot of,

661
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: pickup BASKETBALL and i played it with guys, who were,

662
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: you know great quote. Unquote athletes if they were, great

663
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: athletes truly, great athletes you're in.

664
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: Big. Trouble, yeah yeah but there.

665
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: Are guys you could, get, big strong fast guys you

666
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: could get moving in one direction with a little pump

667
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: fake and then they couldn't catch up when they realized

668
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: it was. A, fake.

669
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 4: Yeah you KNOW what, i mean an object emotion, Remains.

670
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: Right, yeah yeah the guy didn't stop and and and,

671
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: cover you you might as well drop the ball and

672
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: leave the gym and go. Off lunch you know You're

673
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: not you're not gonna do anything with, That guy maverick and.

674
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: Talk GUY so i. Missed it that's my favorite ANALOGY

675
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: that i missed it off, the play hit the brakes and,

676
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: right yeah.

677
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: Uh yeah i'm not going to give my reviews of

678
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: those MOVIES because I think i'm in the vast minority,

679
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: On those so let me comment.

680
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: On speech yeah, For quick so rarely in the in

681
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: the world OF an nfl, football game you get to

682
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 4: run forty yards straight in a.

683
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: Straight line.

684
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 4: You know and part of this is a little tainted

685
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: because a lot of these guys were track guys first

686
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 4: masquerading as football players.

687
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: Over the history of the of.

688
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 4: The League, willie galt, YOU know i mean some of

689
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: those type, of dudes so that they were never. Exactly

690
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 4: exactly so are some of those that were really should have,

691
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: been tracked but they weren't good enough to go To.

692
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: The olympics so someone put a helmet on or now

693
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: and the rest.

694
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 4: Run fast but in the league of the week at

695
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 4: the end of, THE week i do the same thing with.

696
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 4: Edge rushers if all you can do off the edge

697
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: as a pass rusher is run past somebody, with speed

698
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 4: you'll get a lot of sacks IN, the Sec the, big.

699
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: Ten anywhere if you're a super athlete IN. The nfl

700
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 4: that offensive tackle is thirty two, years old he's got

701
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 4: four kids, at home he's got twenty five million in,

702
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 4: the bank he's got a great o line, coach saying

703
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: just don't let this guy beat you the outside shoulder.

704
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: Right overseet he can't run, through you he can't cross.

705
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: Your face he's got. Nothing else and the same thing's through.

706
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 4: A corner like if if you can't stop and start

707
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 4: and snap off an, Out route i'm just gonna give

708
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 4: you the biggest. Cushion ever it's Not like i'm slow

709
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 4: as A starting, nfl CORNER right i might be one

710
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: tenth slower. Than you BUT if i give you a twenty,

711
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 4: yard cushion knowing you can't STOP and i can break

712
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 4: on the ball better, Than you you've got. One trick

713
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: and these guys are too good to.

714
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: Fall for or.

715
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: Vice versa you've got to lay off because you don't

716
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna you can be out quick to

717
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: position right now as, a corner you have to give.

718
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 4: That cushion so three cone for receivers to be is really.

719
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 4: Really important the best TWO examples i can Give Are

720
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: jackson smith And. A jigba, i mean who didn't run a,

721
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 4: Great forty but just watch how he runs and how

722
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: he's always. In balance he never lose. Speed Cornering And

723
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 4: ANTONIO brown jsn is like the best three cone drill

724
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: IN like nfl combine wide receiver history and his other

725
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: measurables are, they're okay but he corners and he bends

726
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: and he never loses ground and he's always. IN balance

727
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 4: ab was the. SAME way ab was Like a ferrari

728
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 4: flying down the road that could make a right turn

729
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: without even hitting. The brake, you know that's all body

730
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: control and, changing directions sinking, your HIPS and i think

731
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 4: three cones a good judge.

732
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: OF that i get where you're going with this as

733
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: Much as i'm trying to make fun, of it or

734
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: you should be able to see it, on, TAPE right

735
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: I mean I Saw jackson smith and jig but play

736
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: a ton at THE last i knew he. Was great

737
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: he was. Awesome, there yeah, You Know bill nunn would

738
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: not be talking about this stuff he'd been talking about

739
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: watching the games and. THE tape i. Don't know maybe,

740
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: he would it's a.

741
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: Different era he would to see, him dance, you know,

742
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 4: LIKE right i mean one of the.

743
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: MORE across i, Don't know scotch let me see him

744
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 2: in the. BASKETBALL court i don't Know If bill nun's story.

745
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: Or not he said he used to go to these

746
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: schools to watch, the game and then he'd walk around

747
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: and see if there was a dance, that night and

748
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: he would go to the dance on campus because he

749
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: wants to see if the big guys. COULD move i. Love,

750
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: it man tight end go. With athletes it just go.

751
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: With athletes guys forty times forty times in jumping metrics

752
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: and big hands and edge rushers is three, Cone drill

753
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: so under six nine if you want to keep a

754
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: number nine under.

755
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: SIX NINE. T j watt six point, SEVENTY.

756
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: Nine michaeh parsons six point, Eight Nine max crosby six point.

757
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 3: Eight nine That's a this is.

758
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: Really parsing you, didn't get but that's what. It is

759
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: you didn't Get To miles. GARRETT yet i don't know what. His,

760
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: was well apparently wasn't as GOOD as i would assume

761
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: that that was not. The, case okay so that was.

762
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: The case we're gonna take. A break i don't know

763
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: if we, Learned. There mike mike is adamantly refusing to.

764
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: LEARN anything I think i learned a little something There

765
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: at matt.

766
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: Or else you know what else bugs me about. This

767
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 3: stuff it's making it, more computerized and and some Short,

768
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: like mike you will not you have like a clich kind.

769
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: OF persona i want an, old school, you know, cigar,

770
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: smoking tobacco ball cap wearing veteran guy who looks football

771
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: and says that guy, can play and, this guy.

772
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: You will not find anybody less enamored in your life

773
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: with TECHNOLOGY.

774
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: THAN. I i.

775
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: I can't i mean Everything, is look you got a

776
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: computer in front of WHAT do i got two tablets

777
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: of paper and? A, pen okay that's The so i'm all.

778
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: For you but to not use this as a tool

779
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: and to not see, these numbers and maybe, these numbers

780
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: if you're really on, your game should move a guy

781
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: from twenty three to nineteen or. Sunny Styles, maybe hey

782
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: that's the exclamation point. We Needed that he's not gonna

783
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 2: be there. At eight he's gonna go in the. TOP

784
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: five i think the mistake teams make is when a

785
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: guy goes from, you Know, like bross the receiver That the,

786
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: bengals took all of, a sudden he flies up to

787
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: the first round in the. Top ten that's. A mistake

788
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: but to use it as, a tool to not use

789
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: it as a tool would also be.

790
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: A mistake you, know what in, fifteen years we're gonna

791
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: come back here and the scouts aren't going to be

792
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 3: former players, who eat sleep and, drink, Football right they're

793
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: gonna be the fat kid from, running ball who's staring

794
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: at a. COMPUTER room i think that would be a. Big.

795
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: MISTAKE huge i think that would be the huge SO

796
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: and i think that we have.

797
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: Seen that, you know baseball of course is way out

798
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: in front of it and famous. For it, you know

799
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: the moneyball more. Believable though but here's the other thing

800
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: too that can. Go, overboard, okay now NOW we're i

801
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: don't want to, get, Well okay i'll. Say this So

802
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: that moneyball book that, was written, great book. FANTASTIC book

803
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: i saw the. Movie too they, never once never Once Discussed,

804
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: Jason Giambi miguelta hatta or the three pitchers They, Had

805
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: hudson Moulder AND zio i Think Two cy young's in there.

806
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: Or whatever they never mentioned those guys what they were,

807
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: looking for and the book kind of, lost THIS and

808
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 2: i think some people have gotten lost on. This too

809
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: was they were looking for the Edge, for, hey listen

810
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: we don't have a lot. Of money how do we

811
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: find a guy that can bat six for us that

812
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: might maybe is undervalued in. The market that's what they were. Looking,

813
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: FOR now i think, the teams teams have gone too

814
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: far in that regard in baseball and are now coming

815
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: back to understanding that the scouting part. Is important, but

816
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: listen this is the this is the history of mankind

817
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: when it comes to. This stuff when we, were kids

818
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: they were shoving tang.

819
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: At.

820
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: Us, right oh this is what the. Astronauts drink it's great.

821
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: For you no drink. Orange juice don't. DRINK tang i

822
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: mean it's. Like tang, oh man, all right we're gonna take.

823
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: A Break He's mike pursuit and We Got matt Williams

824
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: And I'm. Rob king we'll continue from the Combine On Steelers, nation.

825
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: Radio part Of the steer there's. Audio network.

826
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: This is live cobreach of that twenty TWENTY Six nfl

827
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: Combine On Steelers, nation radio a part Of The Steelers,

828
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: audio network, you know.

829
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: And thanks very much for being back with us at

830
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: the combine Here. In indianapolis it's the.

831
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 5: Little, Things So, mike president do you feel it at

832
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 5: all enlightened by the athletics parsing of what to look

833
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 5: for here at?

834
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: The combine it never hurts to, BE thorough. I guess

835
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 3: and if something can make you a little more certain

836
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: or a little more confident in what, you're, doing sure

837
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: these guys have time to kill THEY can i look

838
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: at as. A tool they do this all year so

839
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: they can delve into this stuff and whatever else they.

840
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: WANT to I just i still want football guys making

841
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: football decisions about.

842
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 4: Football players let me run. This by it might shock

843
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 4: you considering my. STAT stuff i want to bring this

844
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 4: up in the. First segment we kind of ran out

845
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 4: of TIME if i WERE, a GM and i don't

846
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: know if any teams, do this and it's probably not

847
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 4: a unique idea, at all but When The senior, bowl

848
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 4: ends which is the last football played in the, draft

849
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 4: cycle last time they put pads on in, A helmet

850
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 4: i would want all of my area scout to turn in.

851
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 4: A report that doesn't mean that's your final report between Now,

852
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: and APRIL but i want something in the database that

853
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 4: is locked in with your name, on it only based,

854
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: off FILM and i never want. THAT deleted i want that.

855
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 4: In there and that's not your. FINAL word i know.

856
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 4: That's not i'm not going to fire you if. It's

857
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 4: terrible you have subject, to change and all those reports

858
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 4: at that stage will have a question. Or two, you

859
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 4: know why did you play this? This way or what

860
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: was the coach? Telling you and they asked those questions while,

861
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: they're HERE or I wish i'd like to double check

862
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: his speed, or whatever or was he playing injured in?

863
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 3: Week two blah.

864
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 4: Blah BLAH but i would take that report and it

865
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: would still be, my BASE and i would tell all my.

866
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: Area scouts you are free to, change these but we're

867
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 4: going to keep this report in front of you when

868
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 4: we go to our final draft meetings and your. FINAL

869
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 4: report i want a little note by every change, you

870
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 4: made why you, changed it not just, because oh he's

871
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: a sixth round pick goes to a second round pick

872
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 4: because he ran a good shuttle when he's. A guard, you,

873
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: know like we're not changing because if you can't see that.

874
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 4: On tape to, Your point Mike or smith, Did jigba,

875
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 4: you're like he can't go from a third round pick

876
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: to a first round pick because he ran a good.

877
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: Three Cone Or jeremy Smith Ot. Ohio, State yeah i've

878
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 4: seen this guy.

879
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: Play enough he's probably the first overall pick, next, year

880
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 3: superstar at least the first. Non quarterback, Yeah YEAH and

881
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 3: i don't need to know anything else.

882
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 4: About it if he never shows up at, THE combine

883
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: I don't i don't care what his.

884
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 3: Three cone or his forty or. Anything, else yeah he catches.

885
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 4: The, football yeah But like Smith, did jigba if you

886
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 4: had a third round grade, on him after all the

887
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: football was in the books and you come here and

888
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 4: he runs a three cone and you bump him all

889
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 4: the way up to The first maybe you're not good at

890
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 4: seeing it. On tape you know that shouldn't. Change it

891
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: but HERE'S what i think you're onto.

892
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: Something here it's interesting because the way this stuff used to,

893
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: GET done.

894
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 4: I went eighty five percent to. BE tape i mean the.

895
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: Drafts to just get done right after the season.

896
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: Was, over yeah there wasn't a line for the. Lost,

897
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: sense yeah.

898
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 3: It's always occurred to me that scouts and it's because

899
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: they want to be thorough because there's so much money

900
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: involved now and these decisions. Have ramifications but don't you

901
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 3: guys spend the entirety of the football season trying to

902
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 3: figure out who, can play and then you.

903
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 4: Go in the schools and then talk.

904
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: To the january to the draft deciding who can't even

905
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: though you thought.

906
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: They, could well there's some wrinkles or a problem because

907
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: then the coaches get involved and they look at things.

908
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 4: Totally different, they're like just give me. The athlete i'm

909
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 4: coaching them Up because i'm THE best o line coach in.

910
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: The league it still, is Fun and i'm going he can't.

911
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 4: Block anybody coach still.

912
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: Has Fun joe Green At North.

913
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: Texas, state yeah, but okay so let me let me

914
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: give you the flip side, of that LIKE the.

915
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 4: Hbu stuff you're not gonna you Can't Like Tie john stalwars,

916
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 4: film anymore.

917
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 3: But you can see, you know Why Did bill nunn

918
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: stay a day later and make sure he got a

919
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: better time on stalls because he knew what good?

920
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 4: He, was yeah but he would have Transferred to obama right?

921
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: Oh, now yeah.

922
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: And he was also. A pioneer he was the only

923
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: one out there. Doing, THAT yeah, i mean so that makes.

924
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: Him unbelievable, that's right that that.

925
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 3: Makes it but he's not the only guy who would

926
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 3: just rely on his eyes and they didn't have that stuff.

927
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: Back, THEN now i would also say, this, though so

928
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 2: h if YOU'RE watching i think it's probably the the

929
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: mid nineteen, NINETEEN nineties I think i might have the.

930
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: Wrong decade and You're Watching tracy Rocker at auburn and

931
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: you're watching him dominate in, sec football and, you're thinking

932
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: and now this guy Wins The, outland, trophy, right well

933
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: your your eyes, tell, you MAN this, i mean this

934
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: guy Won. The, outland okay third, round pick three years in.

935
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: The league who is the Quarterback for miami that Won?

936
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: The Heisman?

937
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: Gino torretta what he? Went later if you but if

938
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 2: you looked at him and your eye, test, said wow

939
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: look at he Won. The heisman look what he Did,

940
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: with miami won. The championship and you didn't have tests

941
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: like this and you weren't testing him all, the time

942
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: what does that? Tell you your eye test says. Great player

943
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: his career showed not a. Great Player tracy rocker was

944
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: three years IN the nfl and a third round pick

945
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: and he Won. The outland so so you need measurables on.

946
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: These guys you have to.

947
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: Have them but there's also there's always gonna be an

948
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 3: element that you, can't measure which is the, guy's heart

949
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: the guy's ability to perform at.

950
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: A higher that's why they like, the interviews that's why

951
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 2: they like to watch.

952
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: These guys you're never gonna. KNOW that, i mean it's

953
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 3: very hard to do this, stuff right and you could,

954
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: be great then you get another. Level up but all of, a,

955
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: Sudden right i'm, just saying if you keep, any, more

956
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: man this is.

957
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: Too, Fast okay so you've you've intentionally simplified by. Just,

958
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: saying LOOK if i watch, THE tape i can tell

959
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: whether the, guy's GOOD and i know your intention.

960
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: Is, simplified sure but but It's also but there.

961
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: Are plenty of guys who have won big time awards

962
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: and it dominated at the. College level look like they

963
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: dominated the pros and and are lucky to get drafted

964
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: and don't make a dent in. The pros BUT the,

965
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: i mean you have To ed Marinaro at cornell. FINISHED

966
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: second i think you finished second In the heisman right

967
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: the year or two IN the nfl out then went

968
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: on to become.

969
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 3: An Actor the heisman is voted on by. MEDIA people

970
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: a lot of these awards are voted on by. Media,

971
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 3: people well.

972
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: What are you you know you're a media people watching

973
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: the Guy From ohio states and he's he's the top

974
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: five in.

975
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 3: The, country Yeah but i'm From The Green. Bay packers

976
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: i'm not necessarily taking my opinion myself just because a

977
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: guy From The San Jose mercury news thinks this. Guy's

978
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: good uh you KNOW what? I Mean Like mary ella newsed,

979
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: to say there's two things he cared about scoring championship

980
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: In The stanley cup BECAUSE m vp was voted.

981
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 2: On right, yeah yeah and he got, Got giants yeah.

982
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: He got but, for sure it's a, great argument. Great,

983
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 2: discussion uh we're going.

984
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 4: To take on your ROCKER when i throw one more

985
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 4: that there might be more our our listeners might. Understand

986
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 4: BETTER oh, I See terrell suggs was call me old a.

987
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: Little bit should have Won. The Heisman terrell suggs.

988
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 4: Was unbelievable He, Should yeah suggs.

989
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: Should have Won.

990
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: The heisman he had like twenty four. IN college i. Don't,

991
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: care yeah he was like he is In the pac

992
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: tedd he had twenty FOUR sacks.

993
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 4: I think but he falls to like the eighteenth pick

994
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 4: or the middle of the first round because he did

995
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: poorly Here. In, indianapolis sure And the ravens just.

996
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: Laughed all the way to.

997
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 4: The, back absolutely you're gonna let this guy fall to, Me, crazy.

998
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 3: Okay we're gonna take.

999
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: A break we have guests, coming up and you're gonna

1000
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: want to stick around and listen to those guests so

1001
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: you don't have to listen to.

1002
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: Us, anymore no we got more good stuff.

1003
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 2: For you that's what we want, to say Along With

1004
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: mike Persuda And matt Williams And I'm. Rob king you're

1005
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,680
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1006
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:32,440
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