WEBVTT - 11/12/25: DHS Attacks Krystal, Shapiro Scolds Poor Young People, Bombshell Epstein Emails, Katie Wilson Wins In Seattle 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.599 Hey guys, Saga and Crystal here. 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:05.240 Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.840 and we are so excited about what that means for 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:08.720 the future of this show. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.760 This is the only place where you can find honest 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.280 perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.680 not exist anywhere else. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.080 So if that is something that's important to you, please 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.599 go to Breakingpoints dot com. Become a member today and 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:22.800 you'll get access to our full shows, unedited, ad free, 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.600 and all put together for you every morning in your inbox. 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:27.560 We need your help to build the future of independent 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.920 news media and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.400 dot com. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.400 So we have some really significant developments coming out of 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:38.960 Chicago at this point with regard to that ICE and 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.239 CBP deployment. So according to the Chicago Tribune, we can 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.040 put this up on the screen. Those immigration agents are 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.440 supposed to be pulled relatively soon, or at least most 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:51.440 of them. So let me go ahead and read from 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.400 you to you from this article. By the way, this 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.560 reporter has done some really great on the ground reporting 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.400 and has been following the court cases that have been 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.880 going on and cargo as well, so he's certainly worth. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:03.920 A follow, so, he writes. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.840 Federal immigration agents part of the Trump administration's Operation Midway 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:13.200 Blitz may soon leave Chicago, according to multiple sources, who 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.399 said the controversial mission was rapidly winding down after a 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.399 contentious two months of enforcement raids that have set the 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:23.440 city and suburbs on edge. Commander Gregory Bovino, the top 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.440 official on the ground leading the Trump administration's efforts, was 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:31.080 expected to depart Chicago for another assignment within days, and 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.199 most of the Border Patrol agents under this command would 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.840 soon be redeployed elsewhere, three sources told The Tribune Monday. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.600 An on call task force composed of FBI and assistant 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.680 US attorneys is also expected to close up shop in 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.360 the coming days, the source is said. In a statement Monday, 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.960 a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, which is 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.760 overseeing the operation, said, every day DHS enforces the laws 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.080 of this country, including in Chicago. We do not comment 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:00.560 or telegraph future operations. They go on to indicate that 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.320 some of the people who the federal agents that have 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.080 been involved in this Operation Midway Blitz would be relocated 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.480 now to Charlotte, North Caro, Carolina. So it's not like 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.800 the you know, insane and violent and reckless and lawless 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.919 immigration actions are going to stop. Just looks like they're 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:21.560 going to be relocated to Charlotte, North Carolina. DHS is 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:25.800 pushing back on this reporting. We can put D three 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.240 up on the screen so people can take a look 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.560 at what they're saying. This is Trisia McLaughlin. She says, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.520 we aren't leaving Chicago. Since start of Operation Midway Blitz 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.560 in Chicago, ho sizer down sixteen percent, shootings down thirty 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.360 five percent, robberies down forty one percent, carjackings down forty 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.440 eight percent, transit crime down twenty percent. A lot of 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.520 people pointing out online don't know if it got a 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.920 community note or not that these numbers, first of all, 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.560 included time period when they weren't even in Chicago, and 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.960 those numbers had been coming down anyway. But in any case, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.480 she's saying here, we aren't leaving Chicago. Emily, I think 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.000 likely the you know, full force operation that we've see 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.440 in with the insane like black Hawk helicopter raids and 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.520 ice and CBP agents. I mean CBP agents literally shot 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.680 a woman and then bragged about the number of holes 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.639 they put in her body. We've had numerous traffic incidents, 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.480 We've had tear gassing of you know, near children getting 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.200 ready for hall Ween Parade. Just a lot that has 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.400 been going on that we've been seeing every single day. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.919 I think the height of that will be diminished significantly. 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.400 That doesn't mean that they're pulling every single federal agent, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.480 which is why I think, I mean, Tricia McLaughlin is 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.800 the chill just lie anyway, But I think that's probably 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:35.560 what they're hanging their hat on to say, like, oh, 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.040 we're not really technically leaving. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:38.480 Yeah, I agree with that. 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.920 I mean, it's been a similar situation here in DC. 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.440 I don't know how much you've noticed this, Crystal, but 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:48.480 the National Guard presence isn't totally gone, but it's diminished 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.280 so significantly. And actually, I think I don't know to 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.880 what extent this will be a problem for the administration, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.600 but it feels like homicides, unfortunately, are starting to tick 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.720 back up as well. Three I think over the weekend, 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.320 and some really brutal, awful crimes. So I don't know 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.480 how they're going to start, you know, they've sort of 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.720 put themselves. I'm just thinking about this, even from a 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.240 PR perspective, But with places like Chicago and Washington, d C. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.680 Where they had this big surge, First of all, their 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.640 own base is not happy with the pace of deportations. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.719 They say they're at roughly like two million self deportations, 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.440 which is obviously part of the goal with the show 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.800 of force that you're seeing in these cities, but also 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:36.240 they think about five hundred thousand total deportations, and based 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.560 on you know, where the base thought those numbers were 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:42.400 going to be, this is not even doing it for 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:47.880 the hardest core mass deportation people in MAGA world, who 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:52.159 are getting annoyed honestly with Christy nomes like social media 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:58.560 designed content, designed videos to kind of prove how tough 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.840 the administration is being. So they're sort of they've sort 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:07.279 of set themselves up for a difficult situation even as 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.680 they go forward in some of those cities by their 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.680 own measures, which is kind of an interesting part of 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:13.080 it as well. 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:13.520 Crystal. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.719 Yeah, and what I've been saying is in response to 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:21.240 like the election results and the referendum really against this 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.280 administration is unfortunately, I think people will accept a lot 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.080 of authoritarianism if their material needs are being met, so 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.200 they may not like seeing you know, children, dear guests. 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.720 But unfortunately, I think if you felt like but I'm 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:38.640 able to pay my rent, or I'm able to buy 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.120 a house, or I'm able to afford healthcare, or my 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.479 wages are going up, you know, I guess I'm just 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.320 going to have to deal with that. People are not 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.760 looking like they didn't vote for you, including your own 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:53.359 base who are fully on board with mass deportation. Now, 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:58.520 they did not vote for you for some ASMR deportation video. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.440 They didn't vote for you so that the DHS account 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:05.360 could Nazi post every day, right, So you know, even 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.080 for the hardest core supporters, this is starting to leave 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.880 them flat. And for the rest of America, it's very 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.280 clear they are completely appalled. They're appalled by your lack 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.440 of focus on their lives. They're appalled by your sadism. 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.520 They're appalled by the fact that you want to put 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.360 absolute cruelty and horror on display every single day. And 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.359 you know, I know the idea is that this is 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.440 going to lead to a bunch of self deportations, and 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.800 guess what it has. And I would ask people, has 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.440 that led your life to being any better? Because the 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.080 sale of this immigration crackdown is that it's these people's 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.240 fault that you're struggling. It's their fault that housing is 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.479 too expensive. It's their fault that healthcare is too expensive. 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.200 It's their fault that the job market isn't. 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:47.680 What it should be. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:52.520 Well, guess what, Yeah, deportations are pretty high. The border 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:57.240 is closed effectively, no more asylum cases coming in unless 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.080 you're like a white South African apparently. And then and 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.279 you know, you have had success in getting people to 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.200 quote unquote self deport So the plan is working. Is 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.120 your life better? Did that improve your life? And the 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.960 answer is no. I mean, people say the economy sucks, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.600 and so the thing that you were blaming for all 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:21.040 of the economic will woes, scapegoating this group of vulnerable people, 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.560 turns out that wasn't really the problem, and voters would 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.560 beginning to notice, you know, having these mass thugs in 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.640 the street is actually keep creating more lawlessness and chaos 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:37.080 and sense of unsafety then I was experiencing before. So 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.040 you know, I think it's noteworthy to me that, you know, 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.240 I think the timing of the winding down of this 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.960 operation probably has to do with two things three things. 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.360 Number one, the intense pushback in Chicago. Chicago residents have 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.680 really been galvanized. Uh and the political class there as 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.480 well has been quite galvanized. Number two, the election results 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.840 being so clearly against the Trump administration on every front. 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.600 And then number three, it's getting really cold in Chicago, 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.760 and they're probably like, you know what, we don't like. 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:07.600 We don't really want to be out here in the 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.040 streets anymore. This is this, you know, violent sadism is 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.840 no longer as fun as it was earlier. We've got 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.600 a clip here of JB. Pritzker, the governor of the state, 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.280 talking about this reporting this is D two. Let's go 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:21.040 ahead and listen to that. 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:27.480 The question was about Greg Bavino and CBP possibly leaving Chicago. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.200 I read the same thing. You know, they don't communicate 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.920 directly with us and never have. All I can say 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.680 is that, you know, whether it was the loss in 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:41.640 the elections a week ago that's led to Donald Trump 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.640 deciding to pull CBP out, or the fact that Greg 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.480 Bavino is a snowflake on a day when you can 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.560 see some snowflakes. Whatever it is, the people of Chicago 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.960 have deserved better than having CBP and Greg Bavino in 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.320 this city. But I would not say that we're now 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:05.520 going to be free of these terrorized neighborhoods, because ICE 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:09.040 and CBP probably will still be here, though they will 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.000 have fewer people, and we'll have to continue to protect 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.560 our neighbors and our friends and our. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.640 At the same time, DHS really keeping their eye on 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.240 the ball and focus on the important things, such as 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.280 quote tweeting me online, D five up on the screen. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.960 So I tweeted out this video and we'll show you 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.040 the video in a moment so you can judge for 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.120 yourself what is going on here. But a video which 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:37.040 appears to show ICE or CBP, some federal immigration agent 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:41.560 shooting tear gas into a car that is just driving by, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.560 and in the aftermath of that, there was a one 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.280 year old in the car who gets hit with this 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.880 tear gas. The family later said they had to take 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.400 her to the hospital. They were worried about her airwaves 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.000 closing up, because of course little children are very vulnerable 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:00.640 to these sorts of chemical weapons. Effectively, so I said, 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.840 they dumped pepper spray on a one year old baby. Demons, 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.439 actual demons. I stand by that. And then Homeland Security 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.600 quote twidts me and says DHS law enforcement does not 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.880 pepper spray children. Here are the facts. During an operation, 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.560 rioters began throwing objects at agents and blocking the road. 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.760 This did not occur in a Sam's Club parking lot. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.640 Border patrol deployed crowd control measures that means pepper spray 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.280 and safely cleared the area. So they're claiming that they 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.679 did not, in fact pepper spray a one year old 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.920 and that the whole presentation of this video is not correct. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.160 So let's go ahead and put the video up. You guys 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.520 can judge for yourself of what happened here. This is 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:41.120 the aftermath. This is the little baby who is being 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:46.960 comforted by her mother and clearly distressed here after this event. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.760 And so here is the incident. So they're just driving 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.720 and you can see they have a window open, and 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.520 whoever this is ICE or CVP just dumps pepper spray 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:02.640 into their window. These are not These are lawful residents. 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:08.480 They were not protesting the exactly according to ye citizens exactly. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.040 And let's put the next piece up on the screen. 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.720 There was a news report about this incident and spoke 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.200 to this family, and the family basically said we were 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.920 going shopping at Sam's Club and saw that there was 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.200 some sort of something going on here, so we went 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.320 to turn the car around and as we're trying to 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:33.120 drive away, that's when they, you know, dump this pepper 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.480 spray into their vehicle, and you know, everyone in the vehicle, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.240 including the one year old baby, is affected. This comes 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.719 after too emily there have been court orders saying you 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.160 cannot use pepper spray in this insane way that you've 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.360 been using like you should be using it incredibly rarely. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:56.040 You have to issue multiple warnings before you deploy it, 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.480 and you are not allowed to just be using these 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.480 aggressive riot control tactics whenever you feel like it. So 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:05.960 when I talk about them being lawless, this is a 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.760 perfect example of that where you know, there was no 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.079 warning to this family. This family did literally nothing wrong. 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:13.960 They just happened to be in the wrong place at 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.240 the wrong time. They were trying to, you know, leave 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.240 the scene, and like, okay, you guys are doing whatever 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.760 you're doing, We're getting out of here, and that's when 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.679 they're hit with this pepper spray. According to what they 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.200 told local press, so, you know, just unbelievable stuff. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.520 So reading from this local report. This is a local 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.960 PBS affiliate. There's a sentence in here where it says 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.400 it is unclear how a family driving the opposite direction 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.640 as the convoy vehicle's driven by federal agents on a 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.280 major thoroughfare could pose an immediate threat to agents to 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.559 merit the use of crowd control weapons. And I think 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.880 that that brings pretty true. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.480 That is clearly. I mean, the little. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.080 Girl has clearly been pepper spray, and you can that's 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:56.200 the typical reaction to pepper spray. It's awful to see 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.760 it on a one year old. But your point about 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.600 the lawlessness, Crystal Listen, I think this is an important one, 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.280 and I'm saying that as somebody who actually believes that 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.400 you have to do something about this. Everyone defines, like quote, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.280 mass deportations differently. I do think that there should be 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.360 significant deportations. I don't know what mass deportations really means. 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.520 I don't think the administration or anybody who's promising to 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.280 do mass deportations really knows what that number means, as 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.280 they constantly are trying to redefine what it means. But 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:28.559 when you do it lawlessly, first of all, you completely 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:32.640 lose support for the overall project, and it's wrong. It's 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:37.079 just it's wrong. It's plainly wrong. It's not American, and 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.000 it's a real problem when you're trying to do things 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:46.600 so quickly that you have like very little control over 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.679 or concerned for the way that it's being played out 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:55.040 on a local level. So I mean, of course there 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.199 are going to be people who protest these deportations that 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.240 put themselves and others in dangerous situations, but that's obviously 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.040 not what we're looking at in this case. There are 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.120 some cases where you can look at that and say, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:11.439 you know, this is that's there's a there's a legitimate 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.560 question as to who was being unsafe in the presence 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.559 of law enforcement. This is not one of those situations whatsoever. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.520 They didn't check to see who was in the car. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:24.040 They saw what looked like a Hispanic male and pepper 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.640 spray into the car. He's a citizen's exactly right, and 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.520 he's a family like the little girl in the car, 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.880 and they don't even they're driving my so quickly they 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:32.760 wouldn't have even known. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.960 Yeah, that's that is exactly right. And you know the 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.240 other thing that's interested, first of all, DHS just lies. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.600 They just lie routinely, like it's nothing. We can all 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.400 literally watch the video it's attached to my tweet and 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.840 see that what you're saying is not true like we 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:48.240 see it. 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.760 Or what's one is that they're getting lies from local 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.200 people who are implicated and could potentially be legally implicated, 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.240 and then they repeat them and which is not okay 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:58.720 either way. 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:00.680 But that's what like, I just it's. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.040 But like they could also watch the video, you know, 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.720 it's right there. You can watch the video judge for yourself, 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.760 maybe decide whether this is the hill you want to 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.160 die on. But the other thing that's interesting to me 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.280 is that they even want or feel the need to 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.480 push back, which in the past they didn't, you know, 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.360 I mean, it's a new thing I see not just 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.720 with me, but with other people posting things online. They're 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.040 quote tweeting and putting out their narrative about the story, 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.240 et cetera. And so, you know, to me, it is 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.680 an indication that they realize that this is you know, 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.600 people aren't just going, oh, it's a base that you 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:34.840 to your guys to one year old base based base. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.160 They're like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.600 feel at least some level of Oh, we better come 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.920 up with some kind of a justification here for what 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.840 looks to be a horrible act. 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.840 That little girl's an American. She's an American. According to reports, 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:48.840 she's an American. 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.440 There you go. Wouldn't do anything wrong. We're just in a. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.880 Car, all right. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.480 Christ Let's move on to the affordability question. Ben Shapiro 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.880 was on with Friends of the show Triggerometry. 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:04.480 I can say that, right, we. 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.360 Have that really yeah, they're definitely gonna watch this. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.520 By the way, well, it is important, of course to 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:14.560 watch before you react, as as they reminded us. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.080 When was that a couple of months ago? 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:21.240 I don't know because I didn't watch. So's have you 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:22.160 ever been to. 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:26.720 The trigonometry studio? All right, let's you've never been? All right? 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.120 Ben Shapiro was on Trigonometry and wide in on the 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.080 affordability question in a way that we thought might make 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.720 for a fun little conversation here about what actually can 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.320 be done nuts and bold meat potatoes to make the 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.680 country more affordable affordable for everyone. Crystal and I will 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:45.800 probably disagree different directions on this, but I think we 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.920 may have more agreement than we realized. Let's go ahead 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.320 and roll this clip of Shapiro talking about affordability. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.600 Affordability is not like beetlejuice, or if you just say 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.120 it over and over suddenly rise. You actually have to 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:01.200 pursue policies that are likely to alleviate and affordable problem. 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.280 But if your solution is always give me more power, 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.679 and it does seem like that is the solution of 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.880 the day from both sides, actually, then you are likely 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.600 to just continue pendle theming one side to the other 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.800 because people don't want to learn the actual lesson, which is, 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.560 if you actually want affordability, then either you have to 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.159 change policies or change locations, though those are really the 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.240 only two things. And also, I think more broadly, it's 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.760 not about affordability. We have trained an entire generation of 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.359 people to believe that if their lives are not what 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.160 they want them to be, it's the fault of systems, 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.480 as opposed to decisions that are in their own control. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.200 I mean, I was looking around at property prices, real 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:37.800 estate prices in New York. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.040 I'm doing pretty well for myself. I feel kind of 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:41.840 poor looking at those. 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:43.360 Oh no, a ton of And I'm not saying it's 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.720 not affordable, right, absolutely is unaffordable. If you're a young 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:47.800 person and you can't afford to live here, then maybe 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:48.720 you should not live here. 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:49.960 I mean, that is a real thing. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.920 I know that we've now grown up in a society 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.439 that says that you deserve to live where you grew up. 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.520 But the reality is that the history of America is 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.359 almost literally the opposite of that, the history of mamercause 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.159 you go to a place where there is opportunity, and 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.359 if the opportunities are limited here and they're not changing, 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.520 then you really should try to think about other places 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.639 where you have better opportunities. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.280 So I absolutely hate that last part of the argument. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:14.400 That's probably not. 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.520 As a president they are that's a little worried. 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.760 No, I mean, that's actually one of the arguments that 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:23.560 I think is the least conservative and the most detestable 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.959 argument to hear from conservatives because one of the reasons 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.280 I think places New York City is not the best 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.439 example of it. DC is a pretty good example of it, 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.600 a very transitory city, but also in San Francisco, places 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.800 like that. One of the reasons that we see so 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.359 much malaise in those cities is that the people who 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.880 grew up and have family there can't afford it and 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.480 move away, And you have people who are sort of 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.440 in and out for five years, ten years, don't really 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.280 care that much in the way that you care about 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.040 the place that you grew up because you're part of 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.560 the social fabric. You know people who know people in 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.000 city council. You go to church with people, or you're 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.800 in the pta people or that person was your teacher Christly. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.000 You know this because you live this. This is like. 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.639 It does make a difference, no matter what you say, 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.400 it makes an absolutely significant difference. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.560 It makes better communities, and. 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.720 Communities is an important part of what lifts people into 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:19.080 a sort of satisfying and fulfilling life. 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.200 Maybe you can actually just speak to them moment because again, 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:22.040 you do live that. 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:23.000 Yeah. 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.240 I mean, I'm a person who values very much place 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.800 and values very much I live and I'm raising my 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.040 kids in the very same town that I grew up in. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.560 You know, my kids are in class with the kids 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.359 of people that I It's amazing, graduated high school with 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.240 like and went to preschool with I mean literally, and 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.600 you know I moved one to be here in particular 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:44.320 because my parents are are getting older. Just celebrated dad's 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:46.640 ninetieth birthday. So I wanted to be close to them, 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.000 and I wanted my kids to be able to be 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.639 close to them. But I love the feeling of, you know, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:57.040 having that connectivity to this specific place. It is it's 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.240 hard to describe the feeling, but it is a very 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:03.520 rooted feeling and that loss of community in our country, 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:05.400 which has been tracked, you know, all the way going 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:09.880 back to Bowling Alone, which is this seminal sociological study 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.440 of the way that we're all sort of like coming apart, 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.399 and all of that accelerated of course by social media 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:21.080 and smartphones. I think it is an affirmative value that 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.480 we should aspire to that if people want to be 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:27.200