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Speaker 2: So we have some really significant developments coming out of

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Speaker 2: Chicago at this point with regard to that ICE and

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Speaker 2: CBP deployment. So according to the Chicago Tribune, we can

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Speaker 2: put this up on the screen. Those immigration agents are

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Speaker 2: supposed to be pulled relatively soon, or at least most

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Speaker 2: of them. So let me go ahead and read from

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Speaker 2: you to you from this article. By the way, this

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Speaker 2: reporter has done some really great on the ground reporting

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Speaker 2: and has been following the court cases that have been

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Speaker 2: going on and cargo as well, so he's certainly worth.

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Speaker 3: A follow, so, he writes.

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Speaker 2: Federal immigration agents part of the Trump administration's Operation Midway

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Speaker 2: Blitz may soon leave Chicago, according to multiple sources, who

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Speaker 2: said the controversial mission was rapidly winding down after a

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Speaker 2: contentious two months of enforcement raids that have set the

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Speaker 2: city and suburbs on edge. Commander Gregory Bovino, the top

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Speaker 2: official on the ground leading the Trump administration's efforts, was

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Speaker 2: expected to depart Chicago for another assignment within days, and

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Speaker 2: most of the Border Patrol agents under this command would

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Speaker 2: soon be redeployed elsewhere, three sources told The Tribune Monday.

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Speaker 2: An on call task force composed of FBI and assistant

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Speaker 2: US attorneys is also expected to close up shop in

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Speaker 2: the coming days, the source is said. In a statement Monday,

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Speaker 2: a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, which is

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Speaker 2: overseeing the operation, said, every day DHS enforces the laws

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Speaker 2: of this country, including in Chicago. We do not comment

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Speaker 2: or telegraph future operations. They go on to indicate that

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Speaker 2: some of the people who the federal agents that have

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Speaker 2: been involved in this Operation Midway Blitz would be relocated

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Speaker 2: now to Charlotte, North Caro, Carolina. So it's not like

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Speaker 2: the you know, insane and violent and reckless and lawless

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Speaker 2: going to be relocated to Charlotte, North Carolina. DHS is

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Speaker 2: pushing back on this reporting. We can put D three

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Speaker 2: at what they're saying. This is Trisia McLaughlin. She says,

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Speaker 2: we aren't leaving Chicago. Since start of Operation Midway Blitz

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Speaker 2: in Chicago, ho sizer down sixteen percent, shootings down thirty

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Speaker 2: five percent, robberies down forty one percent, carjackings down forty

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Speaker 2: eight percent, transit crime down twenty percent. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people pointing out online don't know if it got a

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Speaker 2: community note or not that these numbers, first of all,

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Speaker 2: included time period when they weren't even in Chicago, and

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Speaker 2: those numbers had been coming down anyway. But in any case,

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Speaker 2: she's saying here, we aren't leaving Chicago. Emily, I think

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Speaker 2: likely the you know, full force operation that we've see

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Speaker 2: they put in her body. We've had numerous traffic incidents,

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Speaker 2: We've had tear gassing of you know, near children getting

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Speaker 2: I think the height of that will be diminished significantly.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that they're pulling every single federal agent,

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Speaker 2: which is why I think, I mean, Tricia McLaughlin is

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Speaker 2: what they're hanging their hat on to say, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we're not really technically leaving.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's been a similar situation here in DC.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much you've noticed this, Crystal, but

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Speaker 5: the National Guard presence isn't totally gone, but it's diminished

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Speaker 5: so significantly. And actually, I think I don't know to

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Speaker 5: but it feels like homicides, unfortunately, are starting to tick

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Speaker 5: how they're going to start, you know, they've sort of

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Speaker 5: Where they had this big surge, First of all, their

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Speaker 5: They say they're at roughly like two million self deportations,

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Speaker 5: which is obviously part of the goal with the show

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Speaker 5: of force that you're seeing in these cities, but also

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Speaker 5: they think about five hundred thousand total deportations, and based

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Speaker 5: on you know, where the base thought those numbers were

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Speaker 5: going to be, this is not even doing it for

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Speaker 5: the hardest core mass deportation people in MAGA world, who

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Speaker 5: are getting annoyed honestly with Christy nomes like social media

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Speaker 5: designed content, designed videos to kind of prove how tough

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Speaker 4: Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what I've been saying is in response to

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Speaker 2: like the election results and the referendum really against this

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Speaker 2: administration is unfortunately, I think people will accept a lot

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Speaker 2: of authoritarianism if their material needs are being met, so

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Speaker 2: they may not like seeing you know, children, dear guests.

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Speaker 2: But unfortunately, I think if you felt like but I'm

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Speaker 2: wages are going up, you know, I guess I'm just

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Speaker 2: looking like they didn't vote for you, including your own

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Speaker 2: base who are fully on board with mass deportation. Now,

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Speaker 2: they did not vote for you for some ASMR deportation video.

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Speaker 2: They didn't vote for you so that the DHS account

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Speaker 2: could Nazi post every day, right, So you know, even

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Speaker 2: for the hardest core supporters, this is starting to leave

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Speaker 2: clear they are completely appalled. They're appalled by your lack

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Speaker 2: of focus on their lives. They're appalled by your sadism.

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Speaker 2: They're appalled by the fact that you want to put

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Speaker 2: absolute cruelty and horror on display every single day. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I know the idea is that this is

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Speaker 2: guess what it has. And I would ask people, has

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Speaker 2: that led your life to being any better? Because the

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Speaker 2: sale of this immigration crackdown is that it's these people's

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Speaker 2: fault that you're struggling. It's their fault that housing is

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Speaker 2: too expensive. It's their fault that healthcare is too expensive.

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Speaker 2: It's their fault that the job market isn't.

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Speaker 3: What it should be.

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Speaker 2: Well, guess what, Yeah, deportations are pretty high. The border

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Speaker 2: is closed effectively, no more asylum cases coming in unless

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Speaker 2: you're like a white South African apparently. And then and

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Speaker 2: you know, you have had success in getting people to

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Speaker 2: quote unquote self deport So the plan is working. Is

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Speaker 2: your life better? Did that improve your life? And the

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Speaker 2: answer is no. I mean, people say the economy sucks,

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Speaker 2: and so the thing that you were blaming for all

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Speaker 2: turns out that wasn't really the problem, and voters would

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Speaker 2: beginning to notice, you know, having these mass thugs in

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Speaker 2: and sense of unsafety then I was experiencing before. So

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Speaker 2: you know, I think it's noteworthy to me that, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think the timing of the winding down of this

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Speaker 2: operation probably has to do with two things three things.

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Speaker 2: Number one, the intense pushback in Chicago. Chicago residents have

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Speaker 2: really been galvanized. Uh and the political class there as

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Speaker 2: well has been quite galvanized. Number two, the election results

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Speaker 2: being so clearly against the Trump administration on every front.

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Speaker 2: And then number three, it's getting really cold in Chicago,

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Speaker 2: and they're probably like, you know what, we don't like.

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Speaker 2: We don't really want to be out here in the

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Speaker 2: streets anymore. This is this, you know, violent sadism is

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Speaker 2: no longer as fun as it was earlier. We've got

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Speaker 2: a clip here of JB. Pritzker, the governor of the state,

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Speaker 6: The question was about Greg Bavino and CBP possibly leaving Chicago.

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Speaker 6: I read the same thing. You know, they don't communicate

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Speaker 6: the elections a week ago that's led to Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: deciding to pull CBP out, or the fact that Greg

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Speaker 6: Bavino is a snowflake on a day when you can

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Speaker 6: see some snowflakes. Whatever it is, the people of Chicago

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Speaker 6: have deserved better than having CBP and Greg Bavino in

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Speaker 6: have fewer people, and we'll have to continue to protect

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Speaker 2: At the same time, DHS really keeping their eye on

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Speaker 2: they dumped pepper spray on a one year old baby. Demons,

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Speaker 2: actual demons. I stand by that. And then Homeland Security

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Speaker 2: pepper spray children. Here are the facts. During an operation,

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Speaker 2: rioters began throwing objects at agents and blocking the road.

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Speaker 2: This did not occur in a Sam's Club parking lot.

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Speaker 2: Border patrol deployed crowd control measures that means pepper spray

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Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and put the video up. You guys

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Speaker 2: comforted by her mother and clearly distressed here after this event.

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Speaker 2: And so here is the incident. So they're just driving

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Speaker 2: whoever this is ICE or CVP just dumps pepper spray

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Speaker 2: into their window. These are not These are lawful residents.

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Speaker 2: They were not protesting the exactly according to ye citizens exactly.

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Speaker 2: And let's put the next piece up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: There was a news report about this incident and spoke

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Speaker 8: Affordability is not like beetlejuice, or if you just say

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Speaker 8: Oh no, a ton of And I'm not saying it's

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Speaker 8: I know that we've now grown up in a society

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Speaker 5: it's it's like a really emotional experience because you look

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Speaker 5: at what happened to Flint. You look at the way

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Speaker 5: the people who were in the auto industry were treated.

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Speaker 4: It didn't make for you. They weren't able to just

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Speaker 4: like find jobs. A lot of them.

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Speaker 5: You watch it, they're leaving Flint. They're leaving and going

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Speaker 5: to other places. And what you take with you when

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Speaker 5: you do that is this like real love for your community.

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Speaker 5: And it makes worse businesses. It makes small businesses in

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Speaker 5: a local community operate differently than massive global companies, which

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Speaker 5: bring with them all of the problems. By the way,

446
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Speaker 5: that conservatives hate about global governing organizations, whether it's like

447
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Speaker 5: the World Economic Forum or the United Nations, there's just

448
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Speaker 5: something that is completely detached in different and it's much

449
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Speaker 5: easier to do mass layoffs. And conservatives will say, okay, well,

450
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Speaker 5: that means it's much easier for you to be more efficient,

451
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Speaker 5: But efficiency isn't the end of the economy. Nobody just

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Speaker 5: believes the economy should exist only for the sake of efficiency.

453
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Speaker 5: And I say nobody, but some people, of course do.

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Speaker 5: They're just a minority, you know. Hardcore libertarians basically are

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Speaker 5: the ones who will tell you that. So I wanted

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Speaker 5: to put this chart on the screen because one of

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Speaker 5: the things been talked about was how both sides are

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Speaker 5: basically trying to consolidate power and that has created a

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Speaker 5: less affordable America. And this chart is from AI. It

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Speaker 5: gets updated like every six months. This is the twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty two version of it from the American Enterprise Institute

462
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Speaker 5: Mark Perry, who's an economist at the American Enterprise Institute.

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Speaker 5: It's a little bit of an ink blot test. You

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Speaker 5: can kind of look into it. You can read into

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Speaker 5: it a lot of different things. Stoller and I were

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Speaker 5: going back and forth about how you can read antitrust

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Speaker 5: into this chart.

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Speaker 4: But what you see is.

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Speaker 5: You look at overall inflation and then you can see

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Speaker 5: certain things that have gotten more expensive since two thousand

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Speaker 5: and certain things have gotten less expensive, so more affordable

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Speaker 5: versus more expensive since two thousand and Everybody knows this

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Speaker 5: in their hearts, like you, just this chart hits you

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Speaker 5: like a ton of bricks when you see college tuition

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Speaker 5: just going up so high, and then TVs going down

476
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Speaker 5: so low, ninety seven point seven percent drop in the

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Speaker 5: affordability of TVs, nursery, school, childcare going up, medical care

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Speaker 5: services going up, college tuition, food and beverages going up,

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Speaker 5: and then you see computers, software, toys, TVs, clothing, new

480
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Speaker 5: cars roughly going down a little blip around the COVID

481
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Speaker 5: time period. And I think the reason that I think

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Speaker 5: Ben in a sense is correct this chart points to it.

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Speaker 5: From my perspective is that I really do worry about

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Speaker 5: subsidies in the like mom Donnie era New York City,

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Speaker 5: making things in the long term less affordable. This is

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Speaker 5: a huge part of the debate we're having right now

487
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Speaker 5: about the Affordable Care Act subsidies and Obamacare subsidies really

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Speaker 5: can create oligopolies, like they actually do have that effect.

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Speaker 5: I think it's been pretty clear with college tuition that

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Speaker 5: subsidies have created little incentive for these colleges to compete

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Speaker 5: with one another on tuition price, and so I do

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Speaker 5: think that should be part of the conversation. I don't

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Speaker 5: know chrisl how you feel about it. But the question

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Speaker 5: for me as a conservative is like, well, if the

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Speaker 5: status quo is also miserable, which is the case with

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Speaker 5: health insurance, then you can't just ask people to wait

497
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Speaker 5: until there's some type of like comprehensive, conservative market based

498
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Speaker 5: solution in six months or six years. People don't deserve

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Speaker 5: to have their premiums spiked because the system is failing.

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Speaker 5: And just like shoulder that on the promise that someday

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Speaker 5: you'll do like a reform to the subsidies, Like I

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Speaker 5: don't think the subsidies are a great option right here.

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Speaker 5: I don't think just subsidizing housing, freezing rent.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that those are good long term options.

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Speaker 5: And so I think, you know, that's a blind spot

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Speaker 5: in some ways, I think for the progressive left. Although

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Speaker 5: mom Donnie is kind of interesting because he engages in

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Speaker 5: the abundance conversation. It is, but neither neither you or

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Speaker 5: I are like full abundance people.

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Speaker 3: But I'm a yes, I'm yes, and on abundant.

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Speaker 4: There we go, there we go.

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Speaker 2: Right, you got to do the but you also have

513
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Speaker 2: to and they're focus on like you actually need to deliver.

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Speaker 3: Agree, But their.

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Speaker 2: Lack of focus on you're going to have to confront

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Speaker 2: capital is where that analysis falls short. I think you're

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Speaker 2: right about subsidies, and to me, though I don't see

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Speaker 2: that as progressive left, I see that as neoliberal perfect.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's it. We're going to do a tax

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Speaker 3: credit and we're going to give you. You know, we're

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Speaker 3: going to.

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Speaker 2: Okay, going to subsidize it, right, and look better than nothing. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's a band aid, though it's absolutely a band aid.

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Speaker 2: And if you're going to wait for your like conservative

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Speaker 2: market based solution, you're going to get things like a

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Speaker 2: fifty year mortgage. We have left to the market instead

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Speaker 2: of having our own values and priorities in the way

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Speaker 2: that for example, China has, we have said we are

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Speaker 2: going to outsource our thinking and our values to the market,

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Speaker 2: and all the market does is says, great, we're going

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Speaker 2: to figure out how we can builk you for all

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Speaker 2: of the money that we possibly can and consolidate power

533
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Speaker 2: and wealth among a very few people. And that's how

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Speaker 2: you end up broadly with the system where the core

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Speaker 2: building blocks of a middle class life, housing, healthcare, and

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Speaker 2: education are wildly unaffordable because we can't as a country say,

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Speaker 2: you know what put them like the profitability aside. These

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Speaker 2: are things that are just basic goods and values that

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Speaker 2: everyone should have access to, and we're going to do

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Speaker 2: what we need to do to make sure that that

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Speaker 2: is the case. So, you know, your comment about subsidies

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Speaker 2: is absolutely correct. Don't disagree with that at all. Where

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Speaker 2: I would disagree is so for example, with college education,

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Speaker 2: Zorn Mamdanie and Bernie Sanders wouldn't be saying that's why

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Speaker 2: we need to, you know, have a better student loan program.

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Speaker 2: They'd say, that's why we need free college education three,

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Speaker 2: you know, public colleges that are free and available to everyone.

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Speaker 2: On housing, they wouldn't say, you know, that's why you

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Speaker 2: need an extra tax credit or for affordability. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they may be on board with those sorts of things,

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Speaker 2: but they would say, we need more direct government building

552
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Speaker 2: of social housing so that we can surge affordable housing

553
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Speaker 2: into the market and don't have to wait for some

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Speaker 2: developer to decide that it's in their best financial interest

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Speaker 2: to do it. And by the way, when they do,

556
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Speaker 2: they're going to build luxury, high end condos, not starter

557
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Speaker 2: homes for young families, you know. So and on healthcare. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: they're not looking like, yes, they'll support subsidies in the

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Speaker 2: short term just so people don't fifteen million people don't

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Speaker 2: lose their healthcare or whatever the number is. That's not

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Speaker 2: their long term solution though. What they would say is

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Speaker 2: Medicare for all, we have to tackle putting profit at

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Speaker 2: the center of our healthcare system instead of.

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Speaker 3: Health and care. So, you know, to me, what you're

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Speaker 3: pointing to is.

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Speaker 2: The failures of a neoliberal democratic party that doesn't want

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Speaker 2: to confront capital, wants to deal with some problems and

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Speaker 2: seize the you know, sees the pain and is empathy,

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Speaker 2: wants to deal with the problems, but doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: confront capital. And that's where all of these weird subsidies

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Speaker 2: and tax credits, and you know, if you're this kind

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Speaker 2: of business owner in this kind of town, weird bizarre,

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Speaker 2: piecemeal non universal programs ultimately come in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think probably where you and I have

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Speaker 5: and Sager and I and Ryan and you have like

576
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Speaker 5: more fundamental disagreements is on like I still have a

577
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Speaker 5: really hard time with Medicare for all and like seeing

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Speaker 5: that that or feeling comfortable with like the level of

579
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Speaker 5: quality that a program like that would look like the

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Speaker 5: same thing with you know, I mean all kinds of

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Speaker 5: things at public colleges, that sort of thing. But my

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Speaker 5: position in medicare for all of for the last several years,

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Speaker 5: has been will it be more miserable than the already

584
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Speaker 5: miserable system that we're in? And I don't know that

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Speaker 5: the answer to that is no, because this system sucks.

586
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Speaker 5: It sucks and it is great for people who continue

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Speaker 5: to profit off of it. And that does go in

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Speaker 5: both directions. I mean, the biggest enemies of capitalism, This

589
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Speaker 5: was a common sentiment in the Gilded Age, by the way,

590
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Speaker 5: the biggest enemies of capitalism are the capitalists. And that's

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Speaker 5: how you end up with people reflexively going towards subsidy

592
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Speaker 5: regimes because they're band aids. And it's understandable that people

593
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Speaker 5: are looking for band aids when they're bleeding out, and

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Speaker 5: so actually the capitalists continuing to prioritize themselves over let's

595
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Speaker 5: bring this full circle the public, their communities. Michigan is

596
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Speaker 5: such a good example of this, such a good example

597
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Speaker 5: is you, mother effing capitalists, why do you think you

598
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Speaker 5: got Trump? You didn't want Trump? Why do you think

599
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Speaker 5: people voted for Trump. Well, it's because of what you

600
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Speaker 5: did to Michigan, it's because of what you did to

601
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Speaker 5: Wisconsin's because of what you did to Pennsylvania. Do you

602
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Speaker 5: think the country is healthier because of any of this,

603
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Speaker 5: because you put people to the brink of desperation that

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Speaker 5: they voted the host of celebrity Apprentice into the presidency.

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Speaker 4: No, and it's not.

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Speaker 5: There's been zero self reflection about how their policies, whether

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Speaker 5: they were subsidy band aids or whether they were bailouts

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Speaker 5: for the auto industry, whether they were complete you know,

609
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Speaker 5: just just treating people like widgets and abandoning communities that

610
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Speaker 5: had lifted them, lifted their profits and supported them and

611
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Speaker 5: been a part of their team and taken pride in

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Speaker 5: working for Milwauk and think about like Masterlocke. But if

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Speaker 5: you're in Michigan GM, those types of things, it's just

614
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Speaker 5: me just like I'm talking about it, I'm almost crying.

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Speaker 5: It's just so horrible, and there's no reflection on it

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Speaker 5: whatsoever from the capitalists themselves. And again, that was a

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Speaker 5: common sentiment in the Yilded Age, was that the capitalists

618
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Speaker 5: were the enemies of capitalism. But nobody wants to Even

619
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Speaker 5: after Donald Trump gets elected and Bernie Sanders almost gets elected,

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Speaker 5: nobody wants to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me say that what was done to Michigan,

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Speaker 2: what has been done to small towns and small cities,

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Speaker 2: the hollowing out across the country, the de industrialization is

624
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Speaker 2: going to look like child's play compared to what they're

625
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Speaker 2: planning with AI. Now, maybe AI is just a big

626
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Speaker 2: hype in a bubble and it pops and there's you know,

627
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Speaker 2: massive economic fallout and chaos, which is a horrible outcome

628
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Speaker 2: but doesn't end up with all human labor being replaced.

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Speaker 2: But you know, those are basically the two directions. But

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Speaker 2: their their goal is to make everyone irrelevant. That is,

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Speaker 2: you know we talk about like late stage capitalism, like

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Speaker 2: that is actually their end state that they're trying to achieve,

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Speaker 2: because the whole history of labor and capital is that

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Speaker 2: capital basically hates labor, wants to pay them as little

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Speaker 2: as possible, work them as much as possible, like not

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Speaker 2: that let them have maternity leave or paternity leave or

637
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Speaker 2: sick leave or whatever. It's this adversarial relationship and they

638
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Speaker 2: would love nothing more than to make it so they

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Speaker 2: don't have to deal with us at all, and the

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Speaker 2: level of power and wealth that would float to them

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Speaker 2: in that scenario is just I mean, it's beyond anything

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Speaker 2: that we have even come close to seeing before in

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Speaker 2: human history. That's what they're aiming for. I mean, that

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Speaker 2: is the goal, and that's that's the market based solution.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think a few of them realize, like,

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Speaker 2: if we're going to pull this off, we're going to

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Speaker 2: have to give them like a universal basic.

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Speaker 3: Income or throw them some crumbs or something.

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Speaker 2: But you know, let's be clear about what they actually want.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I've been thinking of this. We don't

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Speaker 2: have to open this whole can of worms. But I'll

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Speaker 2: just put this idea out there. We can flesh it

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Speaker 2: out more because I'm still fleshing it out myself. But

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Speaker 2: Capital is very happy with Trump, like they're you know,

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Speaker 2: Wall Street CEOs are hanging out with him at the

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Speaker 2: White House. They figure out if I just bring him

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Speaker 2: his gold bar in the White House, I can get

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Speaker 2: whatever I want. I got my tax cut, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's I can the tariffs are now you know, being

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Speaker 2: rolled back, and anyway, I was able to get my

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Speaker 2: car ounce, so it wasn't that big of a problem

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Speaker 2: for me whatsoever. And the big thing that they're getting,

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Speaker 2: these tech giants in particular.

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Speaker 3: Is off to the races on AI.

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Speaker 2: They think they're going to get whether this is I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think this is reality. They think they'll get government

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Speaker 2: bailows to backstop their losses. They think that government is

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Speaker 2: going to affect it, like actively help them with their

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Speaker 2: compute build out and allow them to achieve the grand

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Speaker 2: dream and vision, which is to get rid of all

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Speaker 2: of our like the need for any of our labor.

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Speaker 3: Like that's the goal exactly.

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Speaker 2: And so when you hear Shapiro talking about like you know,

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Speaker 2: his market like classic conservative market driven solutions, that is

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Speaker 2: the future that the market has in mind for us.

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Speaker 2: That's the goal is to pay a zero employees, zero amount,

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Speaker 2: Like that is the driving push.

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Speaker 3: So just be aware.

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Speaker 2: That's like that's what he would advocate for. That's what

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Speaker 2: he would say is finding good and acceptable and and

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Speaker 2: you know, we can get whatever, you know, with our pitchforks.

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Speaker 2: We can sort of extract from the trillionaires that run

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Speaker 2: the show. You know, it kind of makes uh. So

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Speaker 2: what I was gonna say with regard to the connection

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Speaker 2: with immigration is you know, in the past, the anti

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Speaker 2: immigration position was anathema to business because they do abuse

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Speaker 2: and exploit undocumented workers.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: They love the chief labor force and they've kind of

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Speaker 2: come to terms with it in Trump's second term because

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Speaker 2: what's even better than chief labor is no labor at all,

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Speaker 2: not having to pay human beings at all.

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Speaker 3: So it's part of why I feel like.

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Speaker 2: You know, the the focus on immigration misses the point

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Speaker 2: at this point, like there is a great replacement theory

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Speaker 2: playing out. It's these tech oligarchs who literally are telling

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Speaker 2: you they want to replace you with a robot. That

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Speaker 2: is the That's the big battle that's going on right now.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I hope, and we've been covering closely

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Speaker 2: on the show. I hope there is a cross ideological

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Speaker 2: coalition that is able to come together to push back

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Speaker 2: forcefully on that view because it is genuinely existential.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's easy to be blackpolled on the right

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Speaker 5: because during the kind of peak woke era is when

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Speaker 5: you saw people in the Republican Party saying we're done

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Speaker 5: with the Chamber of Commerce and we're creating our own

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Speaker 5: chamber of commerce.

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Speaker 4: You know, these capitalists.

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Speaker 5: Marco Ruba gave this entire speech at Catholic University is

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Speaker 5: a wonderful piece of theology and politics where he's talking

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Speaker 5: about the ends of markets are not efficiency, the ends

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Speaker 5: are families and community. Like that is why markets don't

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Speaker 5: exist for the sake of efficiency. They exist because we

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Speaker 5: create them via our democracy in order to have strong,

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Speaker 5: prosperous families that can flourish in communities that can flourish,

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Speaker 5: and people that can flourish. And that's like obviously true,

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Speaker 5: but that is not what the tech giants belief. And

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Speaker 5: the tech giants, some of them might have these like

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Speaker 5: sincere libertarian positions that I think are insane, but they

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Speaker 5: may like genuinely believe that UBI is, you know, the

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Speaker 5: peak version of humanity.

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Speaker 4: But it's not a conservative belief.

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Speaker 5: It might be a libertarian belief, it's definitely not a

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Speaker 5: conservative belief.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I think.

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Speaker 5: You're still right, crsal Like, that's where this is all

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Speaker 5: heading is the UBI band aid is going to be

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Speaker 5: applied in ways that's like all right, sorry, humans, you

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Speaker 5: guys can't do this as well as our l ms

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Speaker 5: and our lms inside our robots. So just be content

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Speaker 5: with this, you know, two thousand dollars a month or

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Speaker 5: whatever it is, and you know, get in your autonomous

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Speaker 5: vehicle and.

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Speaker 4: That's where it's going.

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Speaker 5: It's exactly what we were talking about, which is when

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Speaker 5: you don't actually want to do the hard work of

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Speaker 5: having a well regulated market, very hard work to do

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Speaker 5: because you're swamped by lobbyists all of the time to

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Speaker 5: create a market that is in their direction one way

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Speaker 5: or the other. Substis can be a tool towards that,

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Speaker 5: but also so can deregulation. So that's much harder work

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Speaker 5: to have a fair market and a place where people

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Speaker 5: actually can you know, create small businesses where they can

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Speaker 5: have meaningful lives and thrive through the dignity of work.

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Speaker 4: Nope, we're just going to get UBI.

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Speaker 3: It's easy, yeah, UBI and no Epstein files.

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Speaker 5: Emily, that's just the name of your next book, which

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Speaker 5: is that we do a breaking Epstein news to get to.

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Speaker 5: So let's go ahead and move on to that story.

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Speaker 5: Congressman Rocana is going to join us in just a bit.

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Speaker 5: We have breaking news for everyone.

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Speaker 4: This morning.

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Speaker 5: The House Oversight Committee's Democrats released several emails from Jeffrey

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Speaker 5: Epstein giln Maxwell and author Michael Wolfe that offer more

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Speaker 5: insight into Donald Trump's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. We can

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Speaker 5: go through some of these emails. We're going to put

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Speaker 5: them up on the screen. My goodness. So, first of all,

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Speaker 5: twenty eleven, you have Jeffrey Epstein emailing Gelan Maxwell saying

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Speaker 5: I want you to realize that that dog that hasn't

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Speaker 5: barked is Trump redacted victim's name, spent hours at my

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Speaker 5: house with him. He has never once been mentioned, police chief, etc.

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Speaker 5: I'm seventy five percent there, Maxwell responded again, this is

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Speaker 5: twenty eleven, April of twenty eleven.

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Speaker 4: I have been thinking about that. Dot dot dot.

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Speaker 5: Another set of emails here, fast forward to twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 5: This is Jeffrey Epstein. December of twenty fifteen. CNN is

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Speaker 5: hosting a primary debate for Republicans as Donald Trump is

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Speaker 5: completely racketing.

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Speaker 4: Up in the polls.

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Speaker 5: I hear CNN Epstein what Michael wolf writes to Epstein.

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Speaker 5: I hear CNN is playing to ask Trump tonight about

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Speaker 5: his relationship with you, either on air or in scrum afterwards.

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Speaker 5: I want to just pause there, by the way, for

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Speaker 5: a moment. This is my Wolf pulling a little bit

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Speaker 5: of what a Donna Brazil like tipping off Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 5: to something in the gossip in the milieu surrounding Michael

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Speaker 5: Wolf about a question in a presidential debate. Epstein replies,

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Speaker 5: if we were able to craft and answer for him,

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Speaker 5: what do you think it should be? So basically Wolf

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Speaker 5: and Epstein are trying to preemptively give Donald Trump a

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Speaker 5: little something to work with that might be beneficial to

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Speaker 5: them in the long run. Here is Wolf who styles

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Speaker 5: himself as a journalist who is critical of Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: and is something of a crystal Do you have any

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Speaker 5: like you have any thoughts on this Wolf? Part of

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Speaker 5: it all because it's making me so mad that I

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Speaker 5: can't even really speak. To see these emails, it's not

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Speaker 5: surprising in any way whatsoever, But to see how involved

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Speaker 5: he was and then to watch him try to claim

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Speaker 5: the moral high ground as like an Instagram TikTok celebrity

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Speaker 5: is deeply, deeply irritating.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you see a window into his methods

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Speaker 2: in particular where I mean this is part of how

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Speaker 2: he in the first Trump White House apparently was a fixture,

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Speaker 2: like just hanging out there all the time, and clearly

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Speaker 2: he gives people the sense of like I'm on your side,

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Speaker 2: I'm giving you advice, like we're in this thing together.

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Speaker 2: And then that's how he ingratiates himself to wealthy, powerful

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Speaker 2: or in the case of you know, Jeffrey Epstein, wealthy,

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Speaker 2: powerful and notorious people and is able to write about it.

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Speaker 2: And Michael Wolfe has been, you know, out there talking about, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I've seen pictures of Donald Trump with girls of uncertain age.

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Speaker 2: I've you know, here's what Epstein told me about Trump.

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Speaker 2: He also claimed that Epstein had a lot of insider

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Speaker 2: knowledge into Trump's first administration, so still had a lot

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Speaker 2: of connectivity there. In any case with regard to this

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Speaker 2: you know this question, Abo, he might get asked a

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Speaker 2: debate question about this. CNN did not ask him about

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Speaker 2: Epstein at that debate. Probably would have been a good

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Speaker 2: question to ask him, but that didn't get asked at

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Speaker 2: that debate or in the scroll. And then do you

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Speaker 2: have the other email, Emily where they're talking about Trump

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Speaker 2: spending hours with one of the victims.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so this is from twenty nineteen, and this is

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Speaker 5: from Jeffrey Epstein to Michael Wolfe. So it says victim

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Speaker 5: name redacted, mar A Lago redacted. Trump said, he asked

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Speaker 5: me to resign, never a member. Ever, of course he

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Speaker 5: knew about the girls. He asked Gilaine to stop. And

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Speaker 5: this is after, by the way, back in twenty fifteen

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Speaker 5: that Wolf emailed the advice from Michael Wolf to Jeffrey

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Speaker 5: Epstein about potentially crafting a response to hand Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: was I think you should let him hang himself. If

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Speaker 5: he says he hasn't been on the plane or to

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Speaker 5: the house, then that gives you a valuable pr and

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Speaker 5: political currency. You can hang him in a way that

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Speaker 5: potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or if it

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Speaker 5: really looks like he could win, you could save him

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Speaker 5: generating a debt. Interesting line right there. Of course, Wolf continues,

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Speaker 5: it is possible that when he'll say, Jeffrey is a

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Speaker 5: great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is

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Speaker 5: a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed

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Speaker 5: in a Trump regime. Now when he says, of course

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Speaker 5: Trump knew about the girls. This is from Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 5: he asked Glaine to stop. That is, in the strangest

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Speaker 5: way ever, confirmation of what Donald Trump has said, which

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Speaker 5: is also, in the strangest way ever, confirmation that he

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Speaker 5: clearly knew as he alluded to in media reports before

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Speaker 5: he was president, before Epstein became such a mythical figure.

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Speaker 5: Trump said, Jeffery likes him on the younger side. He

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Speaker 5: said recently, I think he was on Air Force one

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Speaker 5: within just the last few months saying, yeah, they were

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Speaker 5: stealing girls from mar A Lago, which is exactly what

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Speaker 5: happened to Virginia. Jeffrey, who was working at mar A

844
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Speaker 5: Lago was poached by Gilan Maxwell at mar A Lago.

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Speaker 5: So these emails, again, these are ones released by the

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Speaker 5: Democrats on the House Oversight Committee. As the Guy government

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Speaker 5: shut down ends, Mike Johnson is going to face enormous

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Speaker 5: pressure to bring an epscene vote to the floor. There

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Speaker 5: may even be a discharge petition that goes around Mike

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Speaker 5: Johnson to bring some of this to the floor. So Chrystal,

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Speaker 5: no surprise that we are starting to see these as

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Speaker 5: the government looks poised to reopen, hopefully forcing a vote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Trump even got asked specifically, was when you're

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Speaker 2: talking about they were stealing girls from mar A Lago,

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Speaker 2: are you talking about Virginia Guffray, and he said something

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Speaker 2: to the effect of, yeah, I think, I think I

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Speaker 2: am I think I am talking about her. And so

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Speaker 2: it is strange the way that their two stories in

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Speaker 2: a sense confirm each other, because Jeffrey says, of course

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Speaker 2: he knew because we were taking girls from there and

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Speaker 2: he told Galaine to stop, so he knew exactly what

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Speaker 2: was going on. And then you add to that the

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Speaker 2: color of he spent hours with a victim, and then

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Speaker 2: him pondering like, why isn't why isn't Donald Trump getting

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Speaker 2: mentioned in all of the coverage surrounding me, And you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean that would be that would be a sort

867
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Speaker 2: of head scratching thing, given how close we know that

868
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: they their lives were intertwined for years and years where

869
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: you know, again, according to Michael Wolf and Jeffrey Epstein,

870
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 2: Epstein and Trump were besties.

871
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 3: They were super close.

872
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: They were hanging out in New York City, they were

873
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: hanging out down in Palm Beach. You know, both living

874
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: this sort of high flying lifestyle, both of them loving women,

875
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 2: in Epstein's case, girls, and so you know, these paint

876
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: helped it to fill in some of that portrait. And

877
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: yesterday Soger and I covered the unbelievable special treatment that

878
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: Gleainne Maxwell is getting in her club fed prison. First

879
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: of all, she's not even supposed to be in this

880
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: club fed prison because she's a sex offender. That's number one.

881
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: Number two, they're providing her with extraordinary perks, what they

882
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: described as concierge service. One of the prison officials said,

883
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: I'm tired of being Glene Maxwell's bitch because she's getting

884
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: She got a freaking puppy, she got special meals, she

885
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: gets to go to the exercise area when no one

886
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: else is there. She gets to have these long meetings

887
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: where people bring in computers so she can communicate with

888
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: the outside world in whatever kind of way she wants.

889
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: Oh and lo and behold, she's filling out her application

890
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: for a presidential commutation. Gee, why is she getting such

891
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: special treatment? I wonder? I mean, it doesn't take a

892
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: genius to figure out. Trump is afraid of what she

893
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: has on him, what she would say about him, and

894
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: so he is directing his administration to make sure you

895
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: keep Galaine happy, do what you need. And every time

896
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: that he gets asked about a potential partner commutation for

897
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: Glene Maxwell, he de Marse. He will not say one

898
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: way or another whether he would consider that, because you know,

899
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: as soon as she got moved to Club Fed and

900
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: started getting this cushy treatment, well that's when the leaks

901
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: to the Wall Street Journal and other places about the

902
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 2: birthday book and other things. That's when those leaks stopped.

903
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: So again, put two and two together, you can likely see, Okay,

904
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: those initial leaks were kind of a shot across the bell, like, hey,

905
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: here's a little taste of what I might have, what

906
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: I might be able to say about you. And again,

907
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: given their long history together and the incredibly guilty and

908
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: bizarre way that the Trump administration has acted around the

909
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: Epstein files, you know, it's I don't think anyone should

910
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: be surprised that some of this is coming out. And Emily,

911
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: you know, one example of that is they refused to

912
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: swear in Adelita Grihalva for almost two months, seven full weeks.

913
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: They refused to swear this lady in, meaning that that

914
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: district has no representation whatsoever in Congress, just so they

915
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: would not have another vote on that Epstein discharge petition.

916
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: Mike Johnson like shut down the entire House and ended

917
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: the session to avoid that vote previously. You know, they're

918
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 2: and the way that this has, you know, really undercut

919
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: their reputation. As though we're outside we're going to shine

920
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: a light on the truth here.

921
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 9: You know.

922
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 2: It tells you, babe, he is very concerned about what

923
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: could potentially come out and be contained in emails and

924
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: government records, in FBI searches, whatever sort of material they

925
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: were able to obtain. CIA Ryan and Dropsite have been

926
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: doing in Hussein and Murtaza Hussein have been doing the

927
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: only reporting, by the way, and extraordinary reporting confirming that

928
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, yes, in fact, was an Israeli intelligence assets.

929
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: So surely the CIA would have a lot to say

930
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: about this guy as well. And the Republicans, led by

931
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: Trump and Mike Johnson, have gone to extraordinary lengths to

932
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: try to keep any of this from becoming public.

933
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 5: So I'm wondering, actually, if the House Oversight Committee got

934
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 5: these emails from Michael Wolfe, I think that seems to

935
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 5: be the most likely case. It potentially could have come

936
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 5: from Gilan Maxwell, who was meeting with obviously Deputy ag

937
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 5: Todd Blanche over the last several months. That's certainly possible. Well,

938
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 5: Johnson is set to swear in Adelite Girlova today and

939
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 5: that's the vote they need for the discharge petition, which

940
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 5: Thomas Massey I believe Marjorie Tayler Green among other Republicans

941
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 5: are among the Republican Conference support, So that gets them

942
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 5: around Mike Johnson to a vote demanding a release of

943
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 5: all of the Epstein files. And so the House Overside

944
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 5: Committee had that conversation back and forth with Alex Acosta,

945
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 5: former Labor Secretary nominee who dropped out because Vicky Ward's

946
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 5: reporting and other information surrounding the sweetheart deal in Florida

947
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 5: that happened under his watch. Triguerian Epstein and the House

948
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 5: Overside Committee asked, you know about that Vicky Ward quote

949
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 5: from an anonymous source many people speculate to be Steve

950
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 5: Bannon that Acosta says he was told Epstein belonged to

951
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 5: intelligence and to leave him alone. Acosta denied basically that

952
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 5: in spirit, but he wasn't really. I mean, there are

953
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 5: a lot of other ways that that question could have

954
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 5: been posed to him to get around the technicalities of

955
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 5: whether Epstein was an asset or an agent and who

956
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 5: told him what that The House Oversight Committee just did

957
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 5: not get to the bottom of in that interview, at

958
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 5: least according to the transcript of it that we have

959
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 5: so crystal this story to see in writing from Jeffrey

960
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 5: Epstein that Trump has never once been mentioned by police chief, etc.

961
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 5: I don't know what Epstein means when he says I'm

962
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 5: seventy five percent there, but it sounds like maybe he's

963
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 5: speculating that Trump is cooperating with an investigation.

964
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 3: I don't know.

965
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know what that seventy five percent there

966
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 2: piece meant. But I just want to underscore for people

967
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: why this matters. You know, Ryan and Mas's reporting has

968
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: proven the deep ties that Epstein did in fact have

969
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: with the Israeli government and Israeli intelligence specifically. You can

970
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: go and read numerous stories at this point based on

971
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: the leak of a former's really prime minister's emails, which

972
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: also worth noting, as we always do, any mainstream outlet

973
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: could have looked at these emails and reported them out.

974
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: They're all sitting out there for anyone to report on.

975
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: They are the only ones who have put that aside.

976
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 2: So you're the President of the United States, and you know, whatever,

977
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: whatever things you did or you know, you're worried that

978
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein knows about you have to assume that the

979
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: Israelis know about as well. You have to assume that, right,

980
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: And so what kind of pressure does that create in

981
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: your relationship? How does that impact your foreign policy and

982
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: the way you conduct yourself vis a VI this state.

983
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: That's one of the most obvious reasons why this reporting

984
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: and getting to the bottom of this is so incredibly,

985
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: incredibly important, because even if Jeffrey Epstein, you know, there's

986
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: all sorts of reports about the cameras he had and

987
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 2: a sort of documentation he kept, even if he didn't

988
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: actually have the goods on whatever it is that Trump

989
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: is terrified of coming out about him, and clearly there

990
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: are things he is terrified of coming out about him.

991
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: Even if Epstein didn't have the goods, you have to

992
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: assume that he did, and you have to assume that

993
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 2: he was sharing that information with his very close friends, allies,

994
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: business partners in the Israeli government. So I mean that

995
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: that is extraordinary and incredibly important for the American people

996
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: to know and understand.

997
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is so important because when people

998
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 5: say I think you know Trump, and then some Republicans

999
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 5: who rushed to defend Trump and it happened with Democrats

1000
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 5: under the Biden administration, say, this is a silly side show.

1001
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 5: It's not in the question of foreign policy, right, you know,

1002
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 5: people have important questions on their play every single day

1003
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 5: about costs of living and just trying to put food

1004
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 5: on the table, keep a job, all of that. Yes,

1005
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 5: our foreign policy is downstream of the shadow government in

1006
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 5: many ways that we aren't quite aware of. And that

1007
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 5: sounds crazy. But go ahead read the emails that the

1008
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 5: mainstream media probably isn't covering, so they don't want to

1009
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 5: go into what looks like a hack from Iran, but

1010
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 5: one that Ryan and Moz are confirming is verifiable by

1011
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 5: talking to people saying, is this is these emails? This

1012
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 5: is you in this email, Is this a real email,

1013
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 5: et cetera. So when you see it put so plainly

1014
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 5: in those drop site stories, Jeffrey Epstein and Hooper Rock

1015
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 5: were puppet masters and they were doing it, putting it

1016
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 5: in writing. We have that evidence for everybody to see.

1017
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 5: They were actually pulling the strings of geopolitics and foreign policy,

1018
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 5: willing and dealing in their punctuation error laden emails which

1019
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 5: Ryan says as a power move. I'm not so sure

1020
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 5: that I agree it's a power move. It may just

1021
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 5: reflect the actual incompetence. And that is remarkable when you

1022
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 5: look at it, because you see how few people have

1023
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 5: such disproportionate control over foreign policy. Foreign policy affects domestic policy.

1024
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 5: So these are enormously serious questions. And I think, you know,

1025
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 5: Epstein is an example of something that is still happening

1026
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 5: right now with other names that we just don't know.

1027
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: And I think that Trump and the Republicans had hoped

1028
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: they had kind of put this story to bed. You know,

1029
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 2: it was quiet there for a while. We were getting

1030
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: any new leaks. The Republican efforts, Mike Johnson's efforts at

1031
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: least to stonewall in the house had been successful. It

1032
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 2: was very much on the back burner. And Soccer and

1033
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: I were talking about this, and what I said is,

1034
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 2: but this is the sort of thing that can erupt

1035
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: back into the public consciousness at any time, because it's

1036
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: completely unresis and you know, I think a lot of

1037
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: maga that were upset about it first kind of made

1038
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 2: their peace with it, kind of like bought into some

1039
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: convoluted like, oh, actually, Trump is playing the Deep States somehow,

1040
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 2: or they're fake or Clinton comy whatever. They just were like,

1041
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: all right, we're just gonna move on. When things like

1042
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 2: this come out, makes it pretty hard for you to

1043
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: just like close your eyes and pretend like nothing's happening

1044
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 2: here and pretending like pretend like this is all fine,

1045
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 2: especially when you have a voice, a running gade voice

1046
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: like Marjorie Taylor Green out there, who is willing to

1047
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: make her own side uncomfortable for whatever reason she's doing it.

1048
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: She is that voice right now, willing to make her

1049
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: own side uncomfortable. So, you know, we talked about the

1050
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 2: Maga revolt. When you have a president who was just

1051
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: weakened by an extraordinary electoral defeat for his party really

1052
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: across the board, you know, he's effectively already a lame

1053
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: duck at least is not legally allowed to run for

1054
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 2: another term. Is aging very clearly in front of our eyes,

1055
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 2: you know, sleeping through White House events at this point,

1056
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: and outsourcing major parts of his administration to his aids,

1057
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: seems to only really care about, like his his parties

1058
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: at mar A Lago and his renovations. Yeah, when you

1059
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: have all of those sorts of things, then people start

1060
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: to feel a little bit bolder about their criticism and

1061
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: start to be looking at and constantly Okay, well, what

1062
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: is the world after Trump going to look like? And

1063
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: where is the place to be? How to position myself

1064
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: in that world? So I think even as you know

1065
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: Democrats just capitulated in Anthony and are embarrassing and all

1066
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: of that sort of stuff, you also have Trump at

1067
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: a becoming increasingly sort of weakened in his own administration.

1068
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: Approval rating is very low. You know, some errors starting

1069
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: to come at him from his own side, economic troubles,

1070
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 2: and you know a lot of unfulfilled promises, and then

1071
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: you add this to the mix. It's not it's a

1072
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: it's a pretty pretty challenging landscape for him.

1073
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 5: I would say, right, yeah, I think for those elections

1074
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 5: last week, it's becoming clearly the administration that they're approaching

1075
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 5: the one year mark. And after you get past that

1076
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 5: one year itch, as we've talked, as we've talked about

1077
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 5: Crystal before in the show today, you can't keep blaming Biden.

1078
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 5: I mean you can, but whether or not you're successful

1079
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Speaker 5: at continuing to blame the Biden administration or inherited. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: people are not going to buy it, and you are

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Speaker 5: mister draining the swamp, so as emails come out showing

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Speaker 5: you part of a swamp.

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Speaker 4: And then when you campaign, you know, when you're not.

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Speaker 5: In power, it's easy to say, yeah, yeah, we'll release

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Speaker 5: the Epstein emails, even though Trump was a little bit

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Speaker 5: more hesitant about those than JFP files and such during

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Speaker 5: the campaign. But when you're actually in power, you can't

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Speaker 5: just say like, yeah.

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Speaker 4: We'll get to that. We'll get to that. You know,

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Speaker 4: you actually you have to look like you're draining the swamp.

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Speaker 5: If that's the predicate for your political career. That's where

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Speaker 5: you see the people like Marjory Taylor Green and Thomas

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Speaker 5: Massey breaking away from Trump on that particular question.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, very fortunate on last minute notice here

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Speaker 2: to get congresson Rocanna to join us this morning. Of course,

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Speaker 2: he has been the Democrat leading the push to get

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Speaker 2: the Epstein files released. Great to see you congresson.

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Speaker 7: Two breaking point appearances in the same week. Must be

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Speaker 7: my lucky week here.

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Speaker 2: I love our lucky week. Yeah, people were very interested

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Speaker 2: in what you had to say last time. I have

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Speaker 2: a suspicion they're going to be very interested in what

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Speaker 2: you have to say today as well. So Emily and

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Speaker 2: I just went through some of the new emails that

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Speaker 2: were released tying Donald Trump directly to Jeffrey Epstein. The

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Speaker 2: first question for you is just why are these emails

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Speaker 2: coming out now? What was the sort of chain of

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Speaker 2: events that led to these revelations.

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, I was on Laurence o'donald about three

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Speaker 10: months ago, and the attorney for the survivors is the

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Speaker 10: guest right before me, and he says, I don't understand

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Speaker 10: why no one has subpoena the Epstein estate, and shockingly

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Speaker 10: Pam Bondi Cash Battel and no one in Congress had

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Speaker 10: done it. So I talked to Comer. I said, we've

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Speaker 10: got to get these documents. To his credit, he's subpoena's

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Speaker 10: the Epstein estate, and the Epstein Estate has been producing

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Speaker 10: these documents gripped by Grip by grip, And today, of

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Speaker 10: course comes out the first time some of the emails

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Speaker 10: thing that Trump knew about the abuse of these young

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Speaker 10: girls and the guilty conduct. And I expect four more

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Speaker 10: documents are going to be coming out over the next

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Speaker 10: couple of months.

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Speaker 5: Is the I mean, I was speculating earlier that maybe

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Speaker 5: these emails came from Michael Wolfe or Glane. Are you

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Speaker 5: able to tell us anything about that, congressman.

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Speaker 10: Not the specifics of who they're coming from other than

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Speaker 10: the Epstein estate, and that the estate has thousands of

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Speaker 10: more documents.

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Speaker 7: But what this really says is we've got to get

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Speaker 7: the full release.

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Speaker 10: We shouldn't be relying on the Epstein estate to be

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Speaker 10: giving us piecemeal documents.

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Speaker 7: We have the full files at the Justice Department.

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Speaker 10: Those files have all of the interviews that were taken

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Speaker 10: with men who abuse these young girls, with people were

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Speaker 10: involved in the cover up. And today, as you know,

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Speaker 10: Adlita Grihovo gets worn in, we get two hundred and

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Speaker 10: eighteen signatures, and that triggers a boat in seven days

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Speaker 10: in the house to release these files. The bombshell document

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Speaker 10: dropped today, I think is going to increase the stakes

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Speaker 10: of just saying get this.

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Speaker 2: Out there, yeah, no doubt about it, and just your

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Speaker 2: reaction to what we learned today. So we had emails

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Speaker 2: from Jeffrey Epstein saying, first of all, of course Trump

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Speaker 2: knew about what was going on with the girls because

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Speaker 2: he told Galene Maxwell to stop. He also claimed that

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Speaker 2: Trump had spent hours with one of the victims. You

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Speaker 2: also see him strategizing with Michael Wolfe about a potential

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Speaker 2: question to Donald Trump in the debates during twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Those questions didn't end up getting asked, but in any case,

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Speaker 2: interesting to see them strategizing back and forth. You see

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Speaker 2: them talking about how surprised they are that Trump hasn't

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Speaker 2: been brought up in the context of Jeffrey Epstein in

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Speaker 2: a more significant way given their long standing ties. So

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Speaker 2: what is your reaction to the content of these emails?

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Speaker 7: Well, this whole Epstein class needs to go.

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Speaker 10: The issue in American politics is and left or right,

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Speaker 10: it's are you for working ordering Americans?

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Speaker 7: Are you for this Epstein class? And this is what's

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Speaker 7: all forant about those emails.

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Speaker 10: It's not just rich and powerful men who may have

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Speaker 10: abused and raped young girls. It's a lot of rich

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Speaker 10: and powerful people who knew that the abuse was going

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Speaker 10: on and did nothing about it and actually still solicited

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Speaker 10: Epstein for funding and we're friends with Epstein and just

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Speaker 10: swept it under the rock.

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Speaker 9: And what these.

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Speaker 10: Emails show is Donald Trump was aware of what was

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Speaker 10: going on and that it was such a culture of

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Speaker 10: abuse that people just thought, Oh, this is just the

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Speaker 10: way the world works. Well, their time is up. People

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Speaker 10: are sick of it. Anyone involved in this stuff needs

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Speaker 10: to move aside. We need to have a moral cleansing

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Speaker 10: in this country.

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Speaker 5: And Congressman, just if this discharge petition goes through is

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Speaker 5: I think everyone can do the math and expect it

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Speaker 5: to at this point, what ways might the White House

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Speaker 5: and the Administration.

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Speaker 4: Have to wiggle around?

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Speaker 5: What do we expect potentially to see from them, assuming

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Speaker 5: that they try to continue blocking access to some of

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Speaker 5: those files. What could we expect in terms of their

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Speaker 5: methods of blocking release.

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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, there's a full core press today

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Speaker 10: to try to get one of these Republicans to drop

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Speaker 10: before Adelita Grihovo get sworn in at four pm. I'm

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Speaker 10: pretty confident they won't. But it's not done until four

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Speaker 10: four o'clock.

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Speaker 7: And then Johnson has.

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Speaker 10: Dozens of procedural motions he can try to obstruct it.

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Speaker 10: I mean, we could spend the whole day talking about

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Speaker 10: the tools he has. The confidence I have, though, is

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Speaker 10: that there are a lot of Republicans who do not

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Speaker 10: want the discharge petition tool to be rendered useless. They

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Speaker 10: want to use it to get a bill on banning

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Speaker 10: stock trading, they want to use it to.

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Speaker 7: Get boats on other reforms.

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Speaker 11: So I hope the coalition will hold to say no,

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Speaker 11: you've got to bring this for a vote, because what

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Speaker 11: Johnson stops our petition for getting a voute, that will

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Speaker 11: hurt Luna and Chip Roy and any Republican who wants

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Speaker 11: to bring any bill using that mechanism.

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Speaker 2: Congressman, do you have any other plans to you know,

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Speaker 2: public event awareness raising to sort of focus in scrutiny

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Speaker 2: on the lack of transparency on the Epstein files and

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Speaker 2: on the horrific abuse of these women.

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Speaker 7: We do.

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Speaker 10: We have a press conference that Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 10: Green and I are planning next week, and a number

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Speaker 10: of survivors from around the country are going to be

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Speaker 10: flying in, some who have.

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Speaker 7: Not spoken out before.

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Speaker 10: You know, Mike Johnson keeps thinking, Okay, if you just

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Speaker 10: shut down Congress long enough, people are going to forget.

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Speaker 10: But he doesn't realize that this story has gripped the

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Speaker 10: American people. They know there was horrific acts that were committed,

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Speaker 10: and I think when they hear from these women again,

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Speaker 10: these brave women next week. It's going to make where

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Speaker 10: that we have action and an overwhelming vote in the

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Speaker 10: House of Representatives.

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Speaker 4: Well, please keep us updated as always.

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Speaker 2: Car Yeah, yeah, thank you for joining us last minute Congress.

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Speaker 3: Been great to see you appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Grank to see as always. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Chrystal.

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Speaker 5: You have an interview with the likely new mayor of

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Speaker 5: Seattle that we should get to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so just heads up.

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Speaker 2: I recorded this interview with Katie Wilson yesterday the vote count.

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Speaker 2: At that point, she was up by ninety one votes

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Speaker 2: in the vote count. Another drop has come since I

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Speaker 2: interviewed with her. Now she's up by a larger margin.

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Speaker 2: I think it's roughly one thousand to two thousand votes.

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Speaker 2: The later votes that are coming in are more in

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Speaker 2: her favor, so the expectation it's probably going to recount,

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Speaker 2: just because of the narrowness of the margin, But it

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Speaker 2: looks very likely she is going to be the next

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Speaker 2: mayor of Seattle. Progressive insurgent taking on and incumbent, so

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Speaker 2: some some sort of Mum Donnie West Coast Mum Donnie vibes.

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Speaker 2: I would say she's very different character from him, but

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Speaker 2: also really centered affordability and housing affordability in particular in

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Speaker 2: her campaign, both as a way to deliver for voters

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01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 2: across the board and also a way to tackle a

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Speaker 2: chronic homelessness issue that Seattle has continued to suffer from.

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Speaker 2: So with all of that being said, let's go ahead

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Speaker 2: and take a listen to my interview with Katie Wilson.

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Speaker 2: So I am super excited to talk to our next

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Speaker 2: guest this morning. Katie Wilson is the co founder executive

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Speaker 2: director of the Transit Writers Union. She is also the

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Speaker 2: progressive candidate for mayor in the city of Seattle, locked

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Speaker 2: in an extraordinarily close race with the current mayor, Bruce Harrell,

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Speaker 2: and she joins us now, Welcome Katie.

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Speaker 9: Great to be here, Crystal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: So I've been following your race for the past couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks. You know, incumbent who's more I think politically centrist.

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Speaker 2: You're more the progressive, kind of insurgent outsider candidate, coming

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Speaker 2: in very close race all the way along, and as

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Speaker 2: of yesterday, based on the mail drops, you have now taken.

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Speaker 3: A ninety one one vote lead.

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Speaker 2: So first question for you, you know, just give us

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Speaker 2: a little bit of the sense of the dynamics of

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Speaker 2: this race, what ballots still remain, and whether your expectation

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Speaker 2: is that you will be the next mayor of the

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Speaker 2: city of Seattle.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: So the way that we do elections here in Washington

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Speaker 12: State is that it's all by mail, so everyone in

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Speaker 12: mails in their ballots. We also have ballot drop boxes

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Speaker 12: around the city. And there's a very consistent pattern that

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Speaker 12: more progressive voters, younger voters tend to vote late, and

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Speaker 12: so what you'll see is that the election night results.

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Speaker 12: There's actually fairly a large shift between election night and

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Speaker 12: the final results toward the more progressive or left leaning candidate.

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Speaker 12: So on election night, I was at forty six percent.

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Speaker 12: Now I've pulled ahead by ninety one votes, as you said,

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Speaker 12: and there's another about ten thousand ballots out there still

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Speaker 12: to be counted, mostly from election day, mostly skewing younger.

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Speaker 12: So we're really hopeful that that margin will liden. It's

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Speaker 12: possible that there will be a recount because the margin

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Speaker 12: will still be very small, but we're feeling really good

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Speaker 12: about this race.

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Speaker 9: At this point.

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Speaker 2: Incredible, absolutely incredible. So tough tests just a little bit

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Speaker 2: for people who have not been following this race closely

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Speaker 2: as I confess, I actually wasn't until the last couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks before the election. Tell people about the incumbent

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Speaker 2: Mayor Bruce Harrel, your issues with his leadership, and then

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Speaker 2: the platform that you were running on as a contrast.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, sure thing.

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Speaker 12: So I mean my background, I'm a community organizer, a

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Speaker 12: coalition builder, and so for the past fourteen years, I've

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Speaker 12: been leading this organization that I co founded back in

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Speaker 12: twenty eleven called the Transit Writers' Union, and we basically

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Speaker 12: fight on economic justice issues. So I've led campaigns to

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Speaker 12: raise the minimum wage to the highest in the country

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Speaker 12: in several cities around King County, fought for stronger renter

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01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 12: protections in Seattle and other cities around King County. Fought

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Speaker 12: for progressive taxation, so we have a landmark tax on

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Speaker 12: wealthy corporations in Seattle called the Jumpstart Tax that I

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01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 12: played a big role in designing and passing. And then

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Speaker 12: of course public transit right as the name of the

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01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 12: organization suggests, fighting for better public transit, and we've won

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Speaker 12: a bunch of affordable and free fair programs for lower

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Speaker 12: income riders for youth. So that's the kind of work

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Speaker 12: that I've done over the years, it's very grassroots community organizing,

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01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 12: coalition building, and I really have never had the ambition

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01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 12: to run for elected office until this year. And so

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 12: this early this year we had an election on funding

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Speaker 12: Seattle's new social housing developer through attacks on wealthy corporations,

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Speaker 12: and our current Mayor, Bruce Harral was kind of the

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Speaker 12: face of the opposition campaign, and he's done a lot

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01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 12: in office to try to undermine Social Housing, which is

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01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 12: a kind of a new project for Seattle that a

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01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 12: grassroots campaign put on the ballot last year. And nevertheless,

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01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 12: this funding measure to fund the developer passed by a landslide,

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Speaker 12: and so that really showed me that our current mayor,

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Speaker 12: Bruce Harel is out of touch with the issues that

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01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 12: people are facing in their daily lives. And I think

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Speaker 12: the affordability crisis is really right up there at the top.

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Speaker 12: And you know, when I jumped into this race, I've

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01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 12: never heard of zoron Mondani, but it's very clear that

1323
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 12: there are some similar dynamics playing out across the country

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01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 12: where coming out of the pandemic with really high rates

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01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 12: of inflation, the cost of housing in high cost cities

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01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 12: like Seattle is just really out of control. Rents just

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01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 12: keep going up and up. Home prices are out of

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01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 12: reach for anyone wanting to buy a home, and then

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01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 12: everything else, from childcare to food to groceries, everything.

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Speaker 9: Is just really really expensive.

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Speaker 12: And people are feeling that, right, not just the lowest

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01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 12: income households, but people up to kind of middle class

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01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 12: people who have decent jobs are just like, can't believe

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01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 12: how expensive everything is. So I think that's definitely a

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01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 12: dynamic in this race where the work that I've done

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Speaker 12: over the years and what I want to tackle as

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01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 12: mayor is in this affordability crisis. And really we also

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01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 12: have this extremely bad homelessness crisis here in Seattle. We

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 12: actually have rates of unsheltered homelessness that are much higher

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Speaker 12: than comparable cities around the country in the US. And

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Speaker 12: I really, you know, our current mayor, rece he came

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Speaker 12: into office promising to address issues of homelessness in public safety,

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01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 12: and I think people are looking around and not really

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01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 12: feeling that.

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Speaker 9: He's succeeded at that.

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Speaker 12: So that's kind of a local dynamic, But the national

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01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 12: dynamic is affordability. And then I think also obviously Trump

1348
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 12: getting elected last fall, right, there's there's a certain brand

1349
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 12: of establishment Democratic party politics which utterly failed to stop

1350
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 12: the train wreck that was Trump's election. And and so

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01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 12: I think that there's a feeling that people want new

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01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 12: leadership and leadership that's that's not gonna power like that.

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01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 12: And I think our current mayor he doesn't break that

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01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 12: mold right like he's he's been the mayor for four years,

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01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 12: but before that he was a council member for twelve years.

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Speaker 12: So he's kind of part of that kind of centrist

1357
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 12: Democratic party establishment that people are pretty upset with right now.

1358
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 12: So I think that's also a dynamic in this race.

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Speaker 12: And so for me, you know, coming coming in as

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01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 12: an outsider, someone who's you know, worked with city worked

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01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 12: with city hall, is familiar with the legislative process and

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Speaker 12: and all that, but at the same time is coming

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Speaker 12: in as kind of an insurgent candidate. This was the

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01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 12: right moment for that to work, and it looks like

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Speaker 12: we're going to pull it out by the skin of

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Speaker 12: our teeth.

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Speaker 3: Incredible.

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Speaker 2: I'd love for you to dig a little bit more

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01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 2: into the contrast in the approach of Bruce Harrel on

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Speaker 2: homelessness versus you know, what approach did he take and

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Speaker 2: what did you run on?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, And I mean, honestly, this is something that I

1373
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 12: didn't have super high expectations when he came into office,

1374
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 12: kind of knowing who he was from when he was

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01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 12: on council, But I've been deeply disappointed relative to those expectations.

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01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 12: So basically, the current administration's approach has been to sweep

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01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,839
Speaker 12: people around the city from place to place without actually

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01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 12: getting people inside. So we basically have thousands of people

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01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 12: sleeping on sheltered on the streets, and we have two

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01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 12: homeless people in the Seattle area for every one shelter bed,

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Speaker 12: and there's been very very little focus of his administration

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01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 12: on actually opening new emergency housing and shelter so that

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01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 12: we can get people inside. Instead, they're spending all this

1384
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 12: time and energy just basically telling people you can't be

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01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 12: here and forcing them to move along.

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Speaker 9: But then like where is supposed to go?

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Speaker 12: Right? And so that also contributes to our public safety probms, right,

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01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 12: because a lot of people have issues with drug addiction

1389
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 12: mental illness, and those aren't being dealt with, and you

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01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 12: can't really deal with those issues if you're sleeping outside.

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Speaker 12: And so the fact that they're not actually focusing on

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Speaker 12: getting people inside is just really damning in my mind,

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Speaker 12: and people are noticing it, right, Like there's you know,

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01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 12: people who just rather than small business owners in various

1395
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 12: neighborhoods around the city, who you know, they see that

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01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 12: there's like an encampment there and they know that they're like, Okay, well,

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01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 12: the city's going to come and sweep them. But we

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01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 12: know that they're just going to go to the next

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01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 12: neighborhood and then a couple of weeks from now they'll

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01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 12: be back. And so there's this deep frustration with this approach.

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01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 12: So I you know, what I've been saying on the

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01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 12: campaign trail is I'm going to really focus on opening

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01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 12: new emergency housing and shelters so that we can actually

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01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 12: revolve encampments by getting people inside rather than just sweeping

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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 12: them around the city. And we you know, we know

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01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 12: that this works, right. So there's during a pandemic, there

1407
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 12: was a program that several nonprofits put together called Just Care,

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01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,839
Speaker 12: which basically did that, right, resolved encampments by getting people inside.

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01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 12: And at that time it was kind of temporary hotel

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01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 12: that had been repurposed as shelter and was very successful.

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01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 12: So we know that the vast majority of homeless folks

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01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 12: sleeping outside will accept meaningful offers of shelter and support

1413
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 12: when that's given to them, and that's just not what

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01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 12: we're doing right now. So that's really the big difference

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01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 12: in our approach there.

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Speaker 2: And what do you do with the more challenging cases,

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01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 2: you know, people who are suffering from addiction issues or

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Speaker 2: from mental illness who don't want to accept that, you know,

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01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 2: that offer of shelter. How do you handle those cases?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I think we know from practice that

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01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 12: that ends up being a fairly small percentage of the

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01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 12: homeless population. But you know, the fact is we do

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01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:48,440
Speaker 12: have levers, right, so you know, our laws around involuntary

1424
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 12: commitment are governed at the state levels, so changing those

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01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 12: is pretty challenging. But here's the thing, Like, most people

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01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:00,919
Speaker 12: who are addicted to drugs, you know, are also engaged

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01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 12: in various forms of criminal behavior, right in order to

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01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 12: obtain drugs or just in order to meet basic needs

1429
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 12: almless people, That is right, And and so we have

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01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 12: the ability to, if necessary, arrest people for criminal behavior,

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 12: and then we have successful diversion programs where because we

1432
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 12: also know that just throwing someone in jail like doesn't

1433
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 12: work right, and then they're back out of the street

1434
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 12: and have been destabilized and or more at risk of overdosing.

1435
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 12: But what we can do is put people into a

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01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 12: diversion program where there's basically accountability and there's you know,

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01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 12: shelter and services. But that's kind of like offered as

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01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 12: an alternative to the booking and jail kind of route.

1439
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 12: And so we have programs that that have been very successful,

1440
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 12: and so it's a matter of scaling those up, and

1441
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 12: I think that we can if we do that well,

1442
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 12: I think that we can address those those toper cases

1443
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 12: or the vast majority of them as well.

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01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: And of course, chronic homelessness is a symptom of a

1445
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,879
Speaker 2: larger housing crisis, as you were speaking to, which affects

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01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 2: absolutely everyone. What are some of the obviously we all

1447
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 2: know that the Zoron platform, he's you know, freezing the

1448
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 2: rent on rent stabilized departments and then he wants to

1449
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,799
Speaker 2: surge building bonands of additional two hundred thousand housing units.

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01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 2: What are some of the things you ran on in

1451
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 2: terms of housing affordability, because I know that is a

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01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 2: major issue in the city of Seattle.

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01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.

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01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 9: So there's a few things.

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01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 12: So one is social housing, which I mentioned right, and

1456
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 12: this is the model which is a little bit unfamiliar

1457
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 12: in Seattle and a lot of the United States, but

1458
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,879
Speaker 12: similar to you know, Vienna and Paris and other European

1459
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 12: cities which have had really strong social housing sectors for

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01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 12: a long time. And so the idea here is to

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01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 12: begin to build a non market housing sector that's mixed income,

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01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 12: so here in Seattle would go up to one hundred

1463
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 12: and twenty percent of area median income, which is a

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01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 12: fairly high threshold. And then by having this like publicly

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01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 12: owned and operated permanently affordable housing, you know, once you

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 12: get that to a certain scale, that also helps to

1467
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 12: moderate rents in the prime of a sector. Now we're

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01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 12: a long way from that, but there's no better time

1469
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 12: to start than now. So part of my platform is

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01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 12: really having the city and the mayor be a strong

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01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 12: partner in getting the new social housing developer up and

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01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 12: rolling and acquiring buildings and developing buildings. At the same time,

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01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 12: I also believe that we need to make it possible

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01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 12: for the private market to build more housing in our

1475
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 12: great neighborhoods around Seattle, and so that means working on

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01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 12: our land use and zoning laws to make that possible,

1477
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 12: because we have had very restrictive single family zoning laws

1478
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 12: and Seattle for a long time, and that's beginning to

1479
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 12: loosen up a little bit, but we can go a

1480
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 12: lot further than the previous administration has gone. In addition,

1481
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 12: so we are not allowed in local jurisdictions in Washington

1482
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 12: State to do rent regulation directly, so we can't do

1483
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 12: rent control here locally without a change in state law. However,

1484
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,799
Speaker 12: we do have a law called the Economic Displacement Relocation

1485
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 12: Assistance Law, which basically said, if your landlord raises your

1486
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 12: rent time percent or more and you move out because

1487
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 12: you can't afford it, your landlord is spilt to pay

1488
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 12: you three times your monthly rent and relocation assistance. So

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01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 12: that's nice, and it also diffincentivizes large rent increases because

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01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 12: landlords don't want to trigger that law. And so one

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01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 12: thing that I've talked about is bumping that threshold down

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01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 12: from ten percent to for example, five percent, and so

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01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 12: that would help to disincentivize those larger rent increases. There's

1494
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 12: some other things that we can do on the renter

1495
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 12: protections front, like regulating or banning rental junk fees something

1496
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 12: that happens, especially if you have a corporate landlord in

1497
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 12: the United States, there's kind of the sticker price of

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01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 12: your apartment, but then there's all these like hidden monthly

1499
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 12: fees or hidden annual fees that are kind of in

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01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 12: the fine print, and so you end up paying a

1501
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 12: lot more than you think you were going to pay.

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01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 12: So something that the city can do is also regulate

1503
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 12: or ban some of those kind of extraneous fees. So

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01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 12: those are a couple of other ideas for how we

1505
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 12: can help around the margins. The city can do more

1506
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 12: to invest in affordable homeownership programs. There's some other things to do,

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01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 12: but it's kind of a whole range of things, right,

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Speaker 12: There's not one silver bullet, but we kind of need

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Speaker 12: to do it all the above.

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Speaker 9: Yeah. Kay.

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Speaker 2: My last question for you is, you know, I'd love

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Speaker 2: for you to zoom ount and talk a little bit

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01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 2: more broadly about the political trends within Seattle. I saw

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01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: a tweet about this, so forgive me you can correct

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Speaker 2: if this analysis tweet analysis was incorrect. But basically they said,

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01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 2: you know, there were a lot of progressive legislators in Seattle,

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01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,759
Speaker 2: and then there was after Black Lives Matter and the pandemic,

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01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 2: there was kind of a backlash and that's when people

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01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 2: like Bruce Harrel and other war like centrist types get

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01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 2: elected to the city council. And now, with Harold's likely defeat,

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01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 2: that wave of the backlash wave has now been swept

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01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: out by a more progressive cohort. And so, first of all,

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01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: is that sort of accurate your view of the way

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01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 2: that Seattle politics has swung back and forth? And then

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01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 2: how what is most important to you in order to

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01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: make sure that there isn't another sort of backlash swing

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Speaker 2: to the center after your mayoralty.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's a really good question. And so yeah, I

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01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 12: think that picture that you laid out is fairly accurate.

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01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 12: So we had a pretty darn progressive city council for

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01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 12: about a decade, and that included council members, the former

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01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 12: council members Shamasa Want who is you know, a socialist

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01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 12: city council member. And now one thing to note though,

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01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 12: is that during that time when we had a very

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01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 12: progressive council, we had pretty centrist mayors and so that

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01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 12: really that dynamic kind of cramped the council's style in

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01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 12: a sense, in terms of their ability to get things

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01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 12: not just passed, but.

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01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 9: Really like implemented well.

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01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 12: And then yes, after twenty twenty and Black Lives Matter,

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01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 12: there was a there was a backlash. And so then

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01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 12: we had actually our current mayor elected and a very

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01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 12: for Seattle, very very centrist or right leaning compared to

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01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 12: usual city council. So this year, with hopefully my election

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01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 12: but then also a couple of council members and the

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01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 12: new city attorney, things are swinging back in a progressive direction.

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01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 12: Now we have kind of staggered elections. So this year

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01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 12: there was only well for complicated reasons three, but normally

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01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 12: there would be two at large council positions up for elections.

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01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 12: So there's seven district council elections seats which will be

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01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 12: up for election in two years. So right now, assuming

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01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 12: that I win this race, right, we'll have me and

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01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 12: the mayor's office, and we'll have several very progressive council members,

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01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,839
Speaker 12: but the bulk of we don't have a strong progressive

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01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 12: majority on the council yet, but that could happen in

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01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 12: twenty twenty seven. Now, in order for that to happen

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01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 12: in twenty twenty seven, you asked about kind of what

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01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 12: needs to.

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Speaker 9: Be accomplished in the next couple of years.

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Speaker 12: I really think that, you know, I have a lot

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01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,480
Speaker 12: of ambitious progressive policy.

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01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 9: Dreams in my platform, but.

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Speaker 12: I really think what I'm going to be judged on,

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01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 12: what my administration is going to be judged on, first

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01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 12: and foremost, is homelessness in public safety. And I really

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01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 12: think that in the first couple of years, we're going

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01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 12: to need to drill down and make progress on those

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01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 12: really basic quality of life issues and show I think

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01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 12: we have an opportunity here for people on the progressive

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01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 12: left to bey show that we can actually govern. And

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01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 12: so there's going to be I'm going to be paying

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01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 12: a lot of attention to the work that needs to

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01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 12: happen to basically get City Hall, the city bureaucracy moving

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01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 12: in a good direction, actually delivering services for the people

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01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 12: of Seattle, and hopefully pioneering a new model of kind

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01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 12: of responsive government and communication with the people where we're

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01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 12: really explaining what we're doing and why and if we're

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01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 12: coming up against obstacles, here's why. And I think this

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01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 12: is a similar challenge that I think, you know, Mom

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01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 12: Donnie's going to face in New York City where there's

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01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 12: a lot of really ambitious things that we want to

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01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 12: get done, but there's also real obstacles.

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01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 6: Right.

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01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 12: It's like the reason why these things haven't been done

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01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 12: is complicated, and there's really entrenched interests that are going

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01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 12: to fight against it. And so we're going to need

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01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 12: to be able to tell a story of the things

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01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 12: that we're fighting for, the progress that we're making, but

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01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 12: also the reason why we're not. It's not moving faster, right,

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01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 12: So that's going to be big. And you know, I mean,

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01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 12: like I'm in this race, right there was more corporate

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01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 12: pack spending against me than has ever been spent in

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01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 12: a Seattle race against a candidate, and a lot of

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01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 12: those same trists are also going to want.

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01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 9: To undermine my administration.

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01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 12: And so I'm going into this with I think clear

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01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 12: riot about the challenges, the political challenges as well as

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01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 12: the practical challenges of implementing my agenda. And I mean,

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01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 12: it's going to be a massive challenge, but I'm really

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01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 12: excited about it as well.

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01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 4: Well.

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01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: Katie, I really appreciate you taking the time. I know

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01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 2: you're probably like super busy right now and really in

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01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 2: the thick of things. I won't say congratulations yet because

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01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to jinx the result.

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01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: But I'm very excited to see what you do with

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01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: the position. And I hope you'll come back and check

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01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: in with us in the future.

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01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 9: I would love to thank you.

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01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's our pleasure.

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01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 5: Super interesting interview, Crystal, and we should mention programming note,

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01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 5: we have moved the block. We have not canceled the

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01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 5: block on mar A Lago Face that we tease at

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01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 5: the beginning of the show. We have simply moved it

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01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 5: to the Friday show because of the breaking Epstein news.

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01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 5: But the benefit of that is now Ryan will be

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01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 5: with us to weigh in, and we know that Ryan

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01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 5: is going to have something great to say about mar

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01:22:59,400 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 5: A Lago Face.

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01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: He will say something that none of us expect. He'll

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01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 2: tie it into some personal experience he had as a

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01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 2: plastic surgeon when he was twenty three or something, as

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01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 2: a plastics who knows who knows Yngram is going to

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01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 2: bring to the table in the mar A Lago Face conversation,

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01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 2: But we wanted to make sure that it was inclusive.

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01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 2: You know, it felt a little bit because men are

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01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 2: also getting their version of the Marra a lago face.

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01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 2: So I think it is better actually in the end

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01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 2: that we exactly not.

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01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 3: Naming names, Matt Gates.

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01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 2: It is better in the end that we have a

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01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 2: more inclusive, diverse panel of voices to discuss this phenomenon.

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01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,919
Speaker 4: That's right. I think that's well said, Crystal.

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01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 5: So if you want to see, well, I don't know

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01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 5: if we'll keep that in the second half where maybe

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01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 5: we'll bring it out for everyone TPD. But if you

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01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 5: don't want to miss it no matter what, then go

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Speaker 4: In your inbox.

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Speaker 5: So go ahead and subscribe over at Breakingpoints dot com. Crystal,

1645
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 5: thanks for being here today.

1646
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 3: Fun one interesting one, never a dull moment.

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01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 5: That's all right, all right, well, crystalin Soccer will be

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01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 5: back with you all tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: I'll see you Friday. Have a great day.