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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm colleague.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracy me Wilson, So Tracy October. In October, we

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Speaker 1: had kind of an interesting connection made we did. The

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Speaker 1: Office of the Chief Technology Officer of the United States,

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Speaker 1: that's Megan Smith, reached out to our podcast about a

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Speaker 1: piece of history that has actually gone missing and kind

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Speaker 1: of was interested in seeing if we wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about this piece of history and maybe collaborate a little bit,

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Speaker 1: And of course we said yeah, yeah, Well, my favorite

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Speaker 1: part of this was that we got we got the

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Speaker 1: ping on Twitter and you texted me about it within

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Speaker 1: minutes while I was sitting on my couch doing nothing,

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Speaker 1: and You're like, hey, listen to this excitement. It's cool.

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Speaker 1: So of course we wanted to collaborate with Megan and

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Speaker 1: her team and help raise some awareness. And what really

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Speaker 1: got me excited is that, uh, there is also a

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Speaker 1: call to rally our listeners to help this little problem.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna tell you more about how you can

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Speaker 1: get involved at the end of the episode. But first,

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Speaker 1: what we're actually going to talk about today is the

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Speaker 1: very early stages of the women's rights movement in the

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Speaker 1: United States. Yeah, we are coincidentally on a suffrage series,

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Speaker 1: driven in part by this visit that Holly made to

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Speaker 1: the White House. Uh and in my case the much

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Speaker 1: more boring explanation of when the library books showed up

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Speaker 1: from inter library loan. That's still very valid though. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna cover today a little bit of biographical information

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Speaker 1: about a couple of the key players Germaine to this

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Speaker 1: particular slice of that history that we're focusing on, and

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Speaker 1: then we're going to talk about the First Women's Rights Convention,

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Speaker 1: and we'll also discuss this document that was written for

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Speaker 1: the event, called the Declaration of Sentiments, and we'll hear

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Speaker 1: from the U s c t o Megan Smith, who

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Speaker 1: I referenced a moment ago about what happened to that document.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to start by talking a little bit

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Speaker 1: about Lucretia Mott and she was born Lucretia Coffin in Nantucket, Massachusetts,

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Speaker 1: on January third of sevent She had seven siblings. When

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Speaker 1: When she graduated, Lucretia often attended lectures by speakers who

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Speaker 1: and also the abolitionist movement. She also learned while at

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Speaker 1: more and more about the various injustices of the society

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Speaker 1: resolved to do something about it. So Mott became a

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Speaker 1: well known anti slavery speaker and the Acre Minister by

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Speaker 1: the eighteen twenties, and Lucretia had met the man who

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Speaker 1: and they set up their household in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. James

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Speaker 1: and Lucretia had six children, though one of them died

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Speaker 1: In eighteen thirty three, Mott was a pivotal member of

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Speaker 1: Cady Stanton. I don't know which is correct. I watched

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Speaker 1: and it's more natural. Elizabeth Katie was born in Johnstown,

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Speaker 1: Federalist just the same and against her family's wishes. Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: and Henry were married on May first, eighteen forty. Famously,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth had the phrase to obey omitted from the traditional

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Speaker 1: the course of the marriage ceremony. Yeah, that one always

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Speaker 1: two things we said, really, we don't want to write

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Speaker 1: obeying and that, I mean, it was not necessary for

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Speaker 1: comes from a very progressive denomination. Uh. But she said

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Speaker 1: But there you go. Uh So. For their honeymoon, though

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Speaker 1: Henry represented the American Anti Slavery Society as a delegate,

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Speaker 1: And so in eighteen forty Lucretia Mott and Elizabeth Katy

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Speaker 1: and both of them were quite serious about it. They

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Speaker 1: The goal of that gathering was going to be discussion

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Speaker 1: absolutely so. After the convention in London concluded, the Stantons

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth would eventually have four more children, yet Our World

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Speaker 1: and we talked a lot about the importance of women's

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Speaker 1: history and Megan's interest in the Declaration of Sentiments specifically,

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Speaker 1: which actually led to the discovery. No one is entirely

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Speaker 1: sure where the original document actually is, so let's jump

435
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Speaker 1: into that conversation. So here's the big question right out

436
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Speaker 1: of the gate, what compelled you to go looking for

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Speaker 1: the Declaration of Sentiments in the first place. Right, So

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Speaker 1: I think you know, there's this amazing Churchill quote, which

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Speaker 1: is the further back you can look, the further forward

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Speaker 1: you will see and says your Chief Technology Officer, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to help us with the future, with the economy,

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Speaker 1: with empowering America, and then all the things that it

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Speaker 1: takes to unlock the potential of all American people and

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Speaker 1: people around the world to do their thing. And one

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Speaker 1: of the things that's interesting is to look at the

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Speaker 1: challenges that we've had in coming to the table, in

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Speaker 1: this case women's rights and the challenges women face, especially

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Speaker 1: in science, technology, engineering, that why is it that there's

449
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Speaker 1: so few of us proportionately, And yet if you look

450
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Speaker 1: into history you find astonishing things like Grace Hopper, the

451
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Speaker 1: rear admiral in the Navy, who invented coding languages, the

452
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Speaker 1: idea of a translator or compiler that takes this machine

453
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Speaker 1: code from your English, Java or whatever that is. So

454
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Speaker 1: she's the creator of that. She's an Edison level American.

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Speaker 1: Why doesn't everyone know her name? Or Aida Lovelace from

456
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Speaker 1: England who invented the idea of algorithms, or Katherine Johnson,

457
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Speaker 1: the African American woman who calculated the trajectors for Ellen Shepherd,

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Speaker 1: first American space, John Glenn, first American around and the

459
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Speaker 1: Apollo mission. You know in the Apollo movies we never

460
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Speaker 1: see a technical, mathematical and we African American woman. We

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Speaker 1: need to know these stories because in knowing them, you

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Speaker 1: know that even if we weren't proportionally there, we were

463
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Speaker 1: always there at the elite level contributing. And this story

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Speaker 1: is about civil rights, which is interesting. Well, at what

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Speaker 1: point did you realize it was actually missing? Yes? So

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Speaker 1: when I first got here, um, I asked a if

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Speaker 1: the archivists of the United States, David Ferrio, who's tremendous,

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Speaker 1: whether he had it, and he said he would go

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Speaker 1: look for it through the archives. But he said this

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Speaker 1: because it was not originally a federal dock, we might

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Speaker 1: we might not have it. Um. And also the time

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Speaker 1: when Arcus was founded, they have some things, but they

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Speaker 1: were founded later. So he put out an all call

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Speaker 1: and he was not finding it. I have a great

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Speaker 1: email from Earth so here this is uh still on it?

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Speaker 1: So perious see still on it? Aotis it's like trying

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Speaker 1: to find it. And this is a really great piece.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the Declaration of Sentiments. It stuff is

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Speaker 1: the original document from Seneca Falls. Santa Falls is where

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Speaker 1: the very first women's rights convention occurred and happened to

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Speaker 1: be in the United States. Um, and they gathered. I

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Speaker 1: believe actually that Seneca Falls because so much of abolition

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Speaker 1: and women's rights were there a lot because of the

484
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Speaker 1: Erie Canal, you know, the commerce like the Silk Road

485
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Speaker 1: is where not only goods are traveling, but ideas and conversation. Right,

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Speaker 1: so they were right on the canal and they were

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Speaker 1: part of that. So they called this convention. And so

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Speaker 1: David had sent over the original documents they found from

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Speaker 1: the newspaper call that went in when he said that,

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Speaker 1: they found the table on which it was written, and

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Speaker 1: they found several other things, a pamphlet that was type

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Speaker 1: set from around the time, but not the document. And

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Speaker 1: so we called Seneca Falls. We called different people in

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Speaker 1: Seneca Falls. They don't know where it is. They think

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Speaker 1: it may be lost this time. Their theory is that

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Speaker 1: Frederick Douglas, who attended the convention, Elizabeth Cady Stanton was

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Speaker 1: the original woman who a person who wrote the Declaration

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Speaker 1: of Sentiments it's it's written based on the Declaration of Independence,

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Speaker 1: so it says we hold these truths to be self

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Speaker 1: over anent that all men and women are created equal,

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Speaker 1: and then it gets into the sentiments. But we have

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Speaker 1: the content because we think the sources Frederick Douglas, he

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Speaker 1: of course was an incredible writer printer. He printed the

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Speaker 1: Northern Star, and so we think he took it to

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Speaker 1: Rochester because it is printed in the Northern Star. And

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Speaker 1: one of the clues we received from this great guy,

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Speaker 1: meaning Mark says he actually has a copy um of

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Speaker 1: the original. He thinks there's only two that exists, the

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Speaker 1: original Northern Star on page one with the Declaration on it.

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Speaker 1: It also reports, he says, on the Rochester Women's Convention,

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Speaker 1: which was the second one, and he said, interestingly, he

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Speaker 1: had not seen the Northern Star in twenty two years

513
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Speaker 1: of collecting until he and you got ahold of these.

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Speaker 1: So really exciting stuff to find, not only just in

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Speaker 1: terms of the history of Frederick Douglas is such an

516
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Speaker 1: amazing American, but this particular history well, and it's interesting

517
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Speaker 1: that you talk about the find because your team has

518
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Speaker 1: come up with a really ingenious way to both leverage

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Speaker 1: social media and engage the public in their own sort

520
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Speaker 1: of efforts to help find it. Can you talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about this amazing project. Yeah, So, as I

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Speaker 1: was working with archivists, I mentioned this to one of

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Speaker 1: my colleagues here, Lindsay Hulst, who worked in the opposite

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Speaker 1: digital strategy for the President, and uh. She and I

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Speaker 1: had already collaborated on something called the Untold Stories of

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Speaker 1: Women in Science and Technology, which you can find on

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Speaker 1: the White House website, and it's different administration women talking

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Speaker 1: about heroes that they have. Um so, uh, the administrator

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Speaker 1: for the e p A UH is talking about Rachel Carson,

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Speaker 1: the incredible environmentalists. So it's just really wonderful, massive leadership

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Speaker 1: talking about their heroes, Sally Ride and others. So we

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Speaker 1: had done that work and I mentioned this to Lindsay

533
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Speaker 1: and she's like, we need a treasure it, and so

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Speaker 1: we launched this treasure hunting and kind of a Nicolas

535
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Speaker 1: Cage style uh, to to see if we could engage everyone,

536
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Speaker 1: because we really need is for people to know the

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Speaker 1: content of the Decoration of Sentiments, because it's one of

538
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Speaker 1: the most comprehensive documents ever written about equality for women.

539
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Speaker 1: And so The sentiments themselves are striking, and when the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post covered our treasure hunt, they pulled some of

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Speaker 1: the sentiments. One of them, they noted, was very much

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Speaker 1: about equal pay, which we struggle with today, you know,

543
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: seventy and around the world, uh for their challenges. So

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Speaker 1: you kind of look at Elizabeth Cady Stanton wanted to

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Speaker 1: go to university, she wasn't allowed, So you know, it's

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Speaker 1: asking for rights to go to school, which is not

547
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Speaker 1: unlike Malala use of side. So we have the same reality.

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Speaker 1: If you look at each of the sentiments, you kind

549
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Speaker 1: of almost redline them and say, how are we in

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Speaker 1: the States, how we're in different countries? So how long

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Speaker 1: do you think the Find the Sentiments project will go on?

552
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: Is this planted as a long term thing or do

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Speaker 1: you have an end date attached to it. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: keep looking until we find more and where things. What's

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Speaker 1: been really fun is to not only be looking for

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Speaker 1: this the sentiments, the declaration itself, but all the other

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Speaker 1: things that are surfacing. The soul Bellmont House here is

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Speaker 1: a wonderful house that's really the final home of the

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Speaker 1: National Women's Party for Women's Suffrage. There was, of course

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Speaker 1: the Nationals Suffrage Party that was founded by Susan B. Anthony,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth care Stanton and others. Alice Paul later added the

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Speaker 1: National Women's Party with the Federal strategy. So there was

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Speaker 1: a state in the federal strategy working together. UM. So

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Speaker 1: apparently there's a flag that's missing, this beautiful flag where

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Speaker 1: every time a state would ratify the Nineteenth Amendment they

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Speaker 1: would sell on another star. And so at the very end,

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Speaker 1: there's a picture of her with the flag standing on

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Speaker 1: the balcony and there she is, you know, Alice Paul,

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Speaker 1: who was the first woman, the first person in the

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Speaker 1: history of our country to figure out to protest the

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Speaker 1: White House where the suffragette. So this is her federal

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Speaker 1: strategy leadership. Married Church Terrell, founder that delta, this UH

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Speaker 1: and and this group together doing this work. I would

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Speaker 1: love to find that flag, and the Sylbemis folks have

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Speaker 1: been looking for it for a long time. There's also

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Speaker 1: a pen that there's a movie right now called Suffragette

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Speaker 1: about the British women. UM. What happened was in UM

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Speaker 1: Parliament recently released some testimony from nineve of the women

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Speaker 1: who lived in the tenements. This particular group that worked

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Speaker 1: in the laundry and it's true stories. It's based on

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Speaker 1: true stories of their testimony in Parliament trying to get

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Speaker 1: the vote, secure the vote, based on their lives, together

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Speaker 1: with surveillance that was going on from the police. And

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Speaker 1: so the story of the film Sufferject ensues from there

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Speaker 1: and it's it's led Emmeline Pancarst is played by Meryl

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Speaker 1: Streep and so she has a short part of but

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Speaker 1: the film itself is about the foot soldiers they call it.

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Speaker 1: And so Alice Paul was actually in England in those

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Speaker 1: times and then came back and was part of this

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Speaker 1: federal strategy. So at the time they were sent to

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Speaker 1: jail a lot for fighting for the vote, and they

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Speaker 1: created a pin in England. Uh, it's a jail door.

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Speaker 1: And so Alice when she came back and began this

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Speaker 1: idea of protesting the White House every time they went

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Speaker 1: to jail, she would she eventually got a beautiful pin.

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Speaker 1: Uh that we're trying to get a three D printing

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Speaker 1: model from our youth to make anyone be able to

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Speaker 1: print them. Um that that any woman who went to jail,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of women went to jail. Uh. There was a

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Speaker 1: terrible Night on the ninth. I think it's the fourteenth

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Speaker 1: of November called the Night of Terror, when they were

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Speaker 1: beaten very badly, but often force fed because they would

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Speaker 1: go on hunger strike, just brutal um. And it's some

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Speaker 1: of that fighting that turned the tide as the reporting

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Speaker 1: came out, and so they would wear this jailed outdoor pin.

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Speaker 1: So we're looking for those. We have a few of them,

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Speaker 1: and we have, of course the design that Alice made.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, like, what are your odds? Do you

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Speaker 1: think I'm finding the Declaration of Sentiments? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm hopeful. I'm a card carrying optimist. I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's got to be in some like a box in

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00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: someone's attic, somewhere that their nana put away. Like we're

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00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: hoping there was a fire and fed Frederick Dad was

614
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: this home at one point There was a chance lost

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Speaker 1: to that. But hopefully somewhere there's also some tracks like

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Speaker 1: one of the emails said that Douglas traveled with the

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Speaker 1: Waterloo party, which is the next town to Seneca Falls.

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Speaker 1: Um that maybe there's a woman who was making gloves

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Speaker 1: who became a printer. Maybe she has the original and

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Speaker 1: sent another company who knows who knows what happened, but

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Speaker 1: it's a wonderful story to be tracking. It's also causing

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Speaker 1: us to note the different our cuts. So for example,

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Speaker 1: UM at Harvard, the Radcliffe Library, UM has an extraordinary

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Speaker 1: amount of collection with you know, Pennsylvania, Sewell, Bellmont, and

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Speaker 1: the Library of Congress, all of of course, the women's

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Speaker 1: UH inside of the women's studies programs across the United States,

627
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Speaker 1: across the world. UM often sort of gataways a little

628
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: bit as not relevant across and so it's exciting to

629
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Speaker 1: see the lifting of the stories of all women. Are

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Speaker 1: they working to develop like a comprehensive database of what

631
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Speaker 1: they all have? We're reaching out to all of them

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Speaker 1: and safe they can kind of create a gathering. We're,

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Speaker 1: you know, on our way to to the women's equality

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Speaker 1: UH whatever our in uh in with five years for

635
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: five years out right for celebrating death centennials. So you know,

636
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Speaker 1: can we get together and see what we want to

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00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: do and with the history and also from a digital perspective,

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00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: what kind of edited thoughts can we do? I was

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00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: looking at Queen Victoria versus Napoleon's Wikipedia pages that I

640
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: did a word cat out of Victoria's half the size

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00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: of Napoleon. Now, Napoleon we love to look at because

642
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: of his his military strategy, so there's a lot of

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00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: detail in there, so that maybe part of it. But

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Speaker 1: I think both of them were complicated historic leaders that

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Speaker 1: deserve equal length. Well, Victoria is one of my favorite people,

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Speaker 1: and I carry for pictures, so you're speaking my language.

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Speaker 1: These edit a thought that we could do to make

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Speaker 1: sure that Kipedian and our online archives are really carrying

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Speaker 1: the history of everybody, because, like the Churchiquhode, it's so

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Speaker 1: important to know your history in order to know your future,

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Speaker 1: and especially for young women today, young people of color,

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Speaker 1: who sometimes are coming up against not so much overt

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Speaker 1: bias anymore, but institutional or unconscious bias. It's very confusing.

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Speaker 1: Why is this happen to me? And if you don't

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Speaker 1: know the history of what's gone on and what we've

656
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Speaker 1: all worked together as humanity to get to, you don't

657
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Speaker 1: really understand why you're not getting hurt in a meeting,

658
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Speaker 1: or you're not getting promoted, You're not getting these things,

659
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Speaker 1: and it's because we're still in a continue to getting

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Speaker 1: to full equality for everyone. Have there been any surprises,

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Speaker 1: I know it's still in its infancy in terms of

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Speaker 1: getting like public involvement in it. But if you have

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Speaker 1: any surprises along the way where people have brought something

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Speaker 1: enthusiasm and just people are looking for it all around.

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Speaker 1: We've done some radio shows, are working with you guys,

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Speaker 1: and it's really exciting to see people wanting to know

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Speaker 1: because it's it's a great history that we have, you know,

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Speaker 1: their shoulders that have built this country and you know,

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Speaker 1: are from our founders to these different leaders throughout. So

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Speaker 1: we're just exciting to see Treasury, for example, Uh, the

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Speaker 1: sector of Treasury together with the Treasure verse of us

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Speaker 1: are working together to bring women to money and make

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Speaker 1: sure those stories are told. And so they have the

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Speaker 1: astag the new ten they've gotten over three hundred women recommended,

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Speaker 1: which is exciting because now we're working with the textbook

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Speaker 1: folks and saying, you know, are all three hundred of

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Speaker 1: these people who seem to have crowd source surface that

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Speaker 1: textbooks through the kids know about these all the people

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Speaker 1: who have built this country together. That's so cool. Well,

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Speaker 1: one of the things that's really fascinating to me, and

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Speaker 1: you brought it up. Are you touched on it briefly?

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Speaker 1: Mentioning Frederick Douglas, is that even when people do talk

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Speaker 1: about this, which they don't often enough, the Declaration of Sentiments,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of couch just as a women's document, but

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Speaker 1: there are like sixty eight women's signatures, but they're thirty

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Speaker 1: two men that were also there, and it's really not

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Speaker 1: just a women's document. It's everybody's history and impacts all

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Speaker 1: of us. Is there. Have you had any challenges or

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Speaker 1: you seeking out new ways to sort of frame that

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Speaker 1: and get that point across that this is not just

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Speaker 1: a women's issue but in everyone's history issue. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think actually we're seeing that across the globe. You know,

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Speaker 1: in the nation's just ratified the Sustainable Development Goals and

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Speaker 1: in the top level the seventeen goals that the world

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Speaker 1: has set out for ourselves for the next fifteen years,

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Speaker 1: gender quality is one of them. The Deputy President of

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Speaker 1: South Africa was just speaking at the Open Government Partnership

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Speaker 1: session in Mexico City and he was talking about for them,

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Speaker 1: it's one of their primary uh focuses is piece of

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Speaker 1: security and gender emancipation. It's very interesting to hear him

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Speaker 1: use that word for this gender apartheid that still exists

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Speaker 1: deep in our society. Uh So, I think that working

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Speaker 1: on these issues is coming to the forefront of all

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Speaker 1: of our thinking. There's an incredible quote in the Jefferson

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Speaker 1: memorial and it says, I will get exactly right. We'll

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Speaker 1: maybe put it in it's uh. I'm not a fan

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Speaker 1: of the frequent change of law, he says, But I

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Speaker 1: do think that as the human mind advances, as we

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Speaker 1: become more enlightened, we come to own new things and

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Speaker 1: understand things. And you can't fit the coat you wore

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Speaker 1: as a boy, just like ideas just don't work as

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Speaker 1: those of our barbarous ancestors. And I think that his

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Speaker 1: language is really quite stunning. And the use of barbarous ancestors.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they knew they were beating barbarous uh

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Speaker 1: in creating slavery and inequality and always these horrific things

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Speaker 1: that that we live with. Inequality and and uh those

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Speaker 1: those challenges that we faced. But as we wake up,

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Speaker 1: we need to debug them. You know, we need to

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Speaker 1: come and work together to get out of the problems.

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Speaker 1: Even if we didn't create them, we inherent them. And

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Speaker 1: so gender equality, you know, racial equality, non Asian discrimination.

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Speaker 1: All these pieces socio economic are a big part of

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Speaker 1: the goals that the United Nations and the world has

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Speaker 1: set for ourselves and the global goals which include justice

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Speaker 1: and equality and economic opportunity and being great to our

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Speaker 1: planet and all all of those pieces. So, speaking of goals,

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Speaker 1: when all of this is said and done, when you

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Speaker 1: guys decide it's time to wrap the Declaration of Sentiments search,

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Speaker 1: whether we found it or not, Like, what do you

733
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Speaker 1: really hope that people can take away from this having happened?

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Speaker 1: I think that we want even if we can't find

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Speaker 1: the physical document, we want the concept and the knowledge

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Speaker 1: of the document and knowledge of its content. So many people,

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Speaker 1: if you mentioned Seneca Falls, they maybe have heard of it.

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Speaker 1: You know. The President Obama often says, from Seneca Falls

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Speaker 1: to Selma Pastoma, you know, talking about the different moments,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's from Philadelphia and Independence, all the

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Speaker 1: way through these moments in our country where we come

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Speaker 1: to work on our equality and the ark of justice,

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Speaker 1: as as he says, as King said, Um so our

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Speaker 1: hope is that we get this inclusion of all of us,

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Speaker 1: and that documents like this and they're deep content. The

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Speaker 1: specific sentiments when you read them, they're so comprehensive, and

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Speaker 1: we so are still working on all of them, you know,

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Speaker 1: are there for us as a vision for where we

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Speaker 1: want to be. And lastly, where can people go to

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Speaker 1: find out more? And if they want to help with

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Speaker 1: the search? Yeah, so hash I find the sentiments on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and then white how's that gov find the sentiments

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Speaker 1: with dashas between or just search and find us and

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Speaker 1: so learn more and there we have a post that

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Speaker 1: details it. There's also a form that you can fill

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Speaker 1: out and send us great information as you find it,

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Speaker 1: or put it up on Twitter with us, and we'll

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Speaker 1: just keep looking together. And and we're interested not only

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Speaker 1: in the declaration sentiments, but all the other kinds of

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Speaker 1: things like the pin, the flag, any kind of thing

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Speaker 1: that tells the story of women's civil rights, women's equality,

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Speaker 1: or anybody's equality. We want to be standing that up

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Speaker 1: and sharing that with each other. I love it, Megan,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. This has been really amazing and

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to get people involved and get more

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Speaker 1: hands on deck to do on the search. We need

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Speaker 1: everyone on this. Yeah, excellent, thank you so much. We

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Speaker 1: will link to a copy of the Declaration of Sentiments

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Speaker 1: in the show notes so you can read the whole

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Speaker 1: thing for yourself. That was mentioned in the interview. But

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Speaker 1: reading through the Declaration today really is eye opening because

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Speaker 1: a lot of the same exact points that it made

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Speaker 1: are still being made and fought for today a hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty seven years later. One more time, that's a

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven years later. So we hope that

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Speaker 1: if you have any connection to the Seneca False Convention,

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Speaker 1: whether that's through family history or any other connection, like

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Speaker 1: you purchased an antique that might have been anything, just

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Speaker 1: even if it seems nebulous, please share any information that

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Speaker 1: you have on social media and use the hashtag find

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Speaker 1: the Sentiments. As Megan shared, whether we find the original

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Speaker 1: Declaration of Sentiments or not, odds are that there is

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Speaker 1: a lot of history related to this convention that hasn't

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Speaker 1: been properly documented, and you might be the one to

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Speaker 1: have some of that. So if you want more information,

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Speaker 1: you can actually go to the White House blog and

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Speaker 1: do a search for find the Sentiments or Honestly, if

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Speaker 1: if you just go into any search engine and type

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Speaker 1: in find the Sentiments or hashtag find the Sentiments, it's

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Speaker 1: going to lead you to this particular blog post that

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Speaker 1: Megan wrote that explains the whole project and how they

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Speaker 1: went on this search and how they have launched this initiative,

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Speaker 1: and it will also give you a little form that

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Speaker 1: you can fill out right there. But I will read

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Speaker 1: And as I said, there's a great little form there.

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Speaker 1: But you can also just go to social media and

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Speaker 1: the Sentiments, And we hope you do, because it's a

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Speaker 1: wonderful way to get people involved in the historical discovery

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Speaker 1: process and you know, they're really crowdsourcing a new chapter

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Speaker 1: in sort of really flashing out American history and specifically

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Speaker 1: women's history. So it's a pretty cool way that you

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Speaker 1: can contribute. Do you also have some listener mail for us?

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Speaker 1: I do. This one is a really fun for me

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Speaker 1: because it involves some science that I would not have known. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It is in relation to our Mike Malloy episode and

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Speaker 1: the the title of the email, and I loved it

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Speaker 1: the second I even saw it. Was why they didn't

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Speaker 1: kill Mike Malloy at first? And it comes from our

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Speaker 1: listener Paul, who is a doctor, so he knows about

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Speaker 1: these things, and he says, Holly and Tracy, by treating

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Speaker 1: Mike Malloy to an open bar tab, the buffoon murderers

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Speaker 1: were actually giving Mike the antidote to wood alcohol methanol poisoning.

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Speaker 1: Until two thousand, the standard treatment for methanol poisoning was

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Speaker 1: by running over Mike in a narrow tire vehicle typical

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Speaker 1: and the narrow tubular tire could do little damage. And

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Speaker 1: as to how human beings could conspire to do such

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Speaker 1: with me. Yeah, and a couple of different people have

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Speaker 1: written to us with that tidbit of knowledge. It's very cool.

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Speaker 1: I did not know, and now it's additional science in

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