Speaker 1: You're listening to Talking Traders with Me Tamara Judge. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to Talking Traders with Tamar Judge. Today we have
Speaker 1: a special guest, Dan the Trader.
Speaker 2: What's going on? Tamar's so good to see you.
Speaker 1: I know, we have actually not really spoke since we
Speaker 1: were in the castle.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to say whose fault that was,
Speaker 3: But when we got out, I was like, blah blah
Speaker 3: blah blah, DM Tammer, what's up?
Speaker 2: What's up? What's up?
Speaker 1: And I thought you murdered me, Dan?
Speaker 2: So when did that change?
Speaker 3: Like when did you go from like okay, Dan was
Speaker 3: like after me to like, no, Dan really liked me
Speaker 3: and was trying to work with me in the game.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know that I ever thought that, but
Speaker 1: I think that. I mean, I don't want to give
Speaker 1: too much away because we have the reunion, but we
Speaker 1: had a full conversation the night before I got murdered,
Speaker 1: so obviously I thought it wasn't shown, so maybe we'll
Speaker 1: see a little clip of it at the reunion. But
Speaker 1: I truly thought that you were the one that murdered me.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, damn it. He had me con I
Speaker 1: knew you were a Trader. I knew it. I knew it.
Speaker 1: I knew it, So it was just one of those things. Well,
Speaker 1: obviously I suspected it. I wasn't one hundred percent certain,
Speaker 1: but I felt it and I felt like we could
Speaker 1: work together. But that didn't work out because I was murdered. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's get into some host chat.
Speaker 2: I have some.
Speaker 1: Questions for you. Let's do it, and we had some
Speaker 1: fans ask some questions, and here they are. You were
Speaker 1: the first Trader to be banished, but you lasted until
Speaker 1: episode six. Did you think you're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: make it to the end. I mean, I think everybody
Speaker 1: was hoping.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Like going into it, I'm like, Okay, if
Speaker 3: people don't know who I am, I have a chance
Speaker 3: to like stay in the game.
Speaker 2: If anyone knows who I am, I'm in trouble.
Speaker 3: Like it's been so long since I've been on TV,
Speaker 3: and so when I got there, I'm like, hammer has
Speaker 3: no clue how I am.
Speaker 2: Like most people didn't know who I was.
Speaker 3: No, so that was like that actually helped out a
Speaker 3: ton until Janelle blew everything up.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wanted to go and have fun and
Speaker 3: challenge myself and it was such a cool show. You know,
Speaker 3: it's how could you not want to be a part
Speaker 3: of this? And I think you know now that season
Speaker 3: two is done extremely well. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people are now knocking on the door get oh for sure.
Speaker 1: So how long had it been since you been on TV?
Speaker 3: Last time I was on TV, like competing was twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: So I've done some my guest things, but never to
Speaker 3: this capacity.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow? And then how did you get cast on
Speaker 1: the show? So?
Speaker 3: Actually I got an email last season it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: do you want to come on the Traders?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know what this is. I
Speaker 2: just deleted it.
Speaker 3: And so this time around, I actually got a text
Speaker 3: and it's like, hey, we sent you two offers to
Speaker 3: come on the show.
Speaker 2: Will you please look at it?
Speaker 3: And I'm like what, like, because you know, sometimes people
Speaker 3: leak your number somehow you get it. I looked at
Speaker 3: it and I was just like, okay, you know it
Speaker 3: was I knew what the show was at that time,
Speaker 3: and it was interesting enough where I was excited to
Speaker 3: play another game.
Speaker 1: I had a weird way of being cassed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how did you get cassed.
Speaker 1: So evidently production, which I've already worked on a show
Speaker 1: on Peacocks, they have my information. So that's why I
Speaker 1: was confusing. To me. Two different agents reached out to
Speaker 1: me and be like, hey, would you want to be
Speaker 1: on Traders? And I'm like, well yeah, and then I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 1: it's just bullshit. It's just people trying to pitch my
Speaker 1: name or something like that. And then evidently they two
Speaker 1: different people were negotiating for me. So I called Andy
Speaker 1: and I go, wouldn't they just come to me? Why
Speaker 1: are they going through random agents that I haven't worked
Speaker 1: with in years, Like, I don't understand this. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me get to the bottom of it. And then
Speaker 1: the casting director called me and she's like, I don't
Speaker 1: even know what's going on, but we almost just threw
Speaker 1: you to the side because these people are negotiating hard
Speaker 1: for you. So I was like, all like, who are they?
Speaker 1: I don't even know who they are?
Speaker 2: And do you like circumvent them and just go right
Speaker 2: to Peacocks.
Speaker 1: I want writ to keep Peacock. I go, I've worked
Speaker 1: for this network for many, many years under this umbrella.
Speaker 2: Why all of a.
Speaker 1: Sudden is somebody gonna get a cut of you know,
Speaker 1: I just I was like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, good for you. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get to it. Before you were voted off,
Speaker 1: you wrote down Phaedra's name at the round table watching
Speaker 1: the show back. Are you surprised she still hasn't been
Speaker 1: voted off yet?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not surprised because that's how I saw her.
Speaker 3: I saw her as like the number one threat to
Speaker 3: win the game. She's so likable, she's great in one
Speaker 3: to one, like just everyone in the house liked her
Speaker 3: and no one suspected her. And to me, that was
Speaker 3: a problem because it's like, how are you gonna win
Speaker 3: when someone's playing this well? And so to me, the
Speaker 3: path to victory was unfortunately through Phaedra, and it, you know,
Speaker 3: didn't work out. And I think when I went after
Speaker 3: her and she totally demolished me, it also put people
Speaker 3: on alert, like you're gonna come after her, like you
Speaker 3: better be ironclad because she's just dismantled people time and
Speaker 3: time again.
Speaker 1: Do you think she has a strategy or do you
Speaker 1: think she's or this is her strategy? Just go in.
Speaker 1: They're not really talk game and just pray on everybody
Speaker 1: and be sweet and were delicious and you know, all
Speaker 1: these things that she would throw our way. Like now
Speaker 1: we see Kate with her going, do you not have
Speaker 1: a plan? If you're going a trader this whole time,
Speaker 1: you don't have a plan. Her plan was just good bye,
Speaker 1: sweet talking people.
Speaker 2: That's how I felt.
Speaker 3: And the trader's turt with her is that I would
Speaker 3: like throw an idea out and it was just kind
Speaker 3: of like sure, whatever, which is why I want to
Speaker 3: bring Parverty in. But not to take anything away from Faedra,
Speaker 3: it's you know, I we're like the opposite. I'm looking
Speaker 3: like seventeen steps down the road and she's like minute
Speaker 3: to minute and in this kind of game, like the
Speaker 3: way she's playing it is more effective because she's just adapting,
Speaker 3: you know, as it goes. And I think she just
Speaker 3: has done a great job. And what I like to
Speaker 3: call the hand to hand combat, meaning like when someone
Speaker 3: comes at her, she's right back at him, and then
Speaker 3: you're kind of like, oh, that was a good answer,
Speaker 3: and let's find someone else who's.
Speaker 2: Not a trader.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean by trade, she has been taught to negotiate.
Speaker 1: She's an attorney's what she's doing. And sometimes you listen
Speaker 1: to what she's saying, you're like, well, you really put
Speaker 1: me on place, but it really didn't make much sense, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Actually she's done a great job, and I think, you know,
Speaker 3: she's risen to be such an entertaining star of the show.
Speaker 3: But I also think, yeah, when you're in those situations,
Speaker 3: like you can dodge a couple of bullets from like
Speaker 3: a couple round tables. But it's, as you can see
Speaker 3: in the last episode, it starts to get a little
Speaker 3: bit harder when it's not the first time you're defending yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Vhaeder is definitely the queen of read, like she.
Speaker 2: Is what what does that mean? What does that queen
Speaker 2: of Reid mean?
Speaker 1: You can read anybody. She can just put you in
Speaker 1: your place like that. She is probably one of the
Speaker 1: best housewives for sure.
Speaker 3: And because I knew nothing about her going into this, obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, because you know, if I knew anything about her,
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't have taken that approach.
Speaker 1: She's she's a staple. I'm hoping she'll come back to Housewives.
Speaker 1: She is on Married to Medicine. It's actually a show
Speaker 1: I don't watch, so I don't. I watched so many
Speaker 1: shows I just can't keep up with all of them.
Speaker 1: But Dan, where do you think you went wrong in
Speaker 1: the gameplay? If you could go back, would you change
Speaker 1: your strategy?
Speaker 3: I think, you know, in the moment, I wouldn't change
Speaker 3: anything just because I did the best I could. But now,
Speaker 3: with like a bird's eye view, I'd like a list
Speaker 3: of like twenty things I would do different. And I
Speaker 3: think one of the things is that I'm generally more introverted,
Speaker 3: and I think I played really really slow.
Speaker 2: You know, I was able.
Speaker 3: I felt really comfortable with you, but also we spent
Speaker 3: a lot of time together, yeah, in transit, and so
Speaker 3: to me, I'm like, listen first and talk second, because
Speaker 3: that's what's done well for me in the past, and
Speaker 3: it didn't do well for me this time around.
Speaker 1: Yeah. For me, I expected everybody to think, oh God,
Speaker 1: here comes out hot tempered blonde that goes off on housewives.
Speaker 1: So I thought, like, you know, going into it, I
Speaker 1: was going to be you know, quiet, reserved. I was
Speaker 1: going to watch, which is not normally my nature. And
Speaker 1: then of course I got sick, and then I was
Speaker 1: so sick and I've always felt like it was a
Speaker 1: God's way of saying, just sit your put down and listen,
Speaker 1: keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we like we were all worried about you,
Speaker 3: and then when you came back, it was like you're
Speaker 3: you're back, and I know you're battling through it.
Speaker 2: But also your voice was like you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bad, and the resilience it was really bad.
Speaker 3: But I will say like, because my you know, my
Speaker 3: wife is a big fan of you. I you know,
Speaker 3: I knew who you were coming in, you know, like
Speaker 3: when I saw you andim like, I know exactly who
Speaker 3: that is. But really I felt like you were pretty
Speaker 3: even keeled, with the exception of Kevin.
Speaker 2: Like when you were kept going after Kevin, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: this is what I'm using.
Speaker 1: He bought this ship out of me. He really did.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how can I mean I like Kevin. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say I dislike him, but he just
Speaker 1: has a way of getting under your skin.
Speaker 2: I felt like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kate found him annoying and said he should be,
Speaker 1: you know, gone, just because he's annoying.
Speaker 3: He's a great guy, but it was fun to watch you,
Speaker 3: like I saw like your your your meter go off,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I haven't seen this from Tama the
Speaker 3: whole time.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, well then John. At first I was convinced
Speaker 1: John was a trader and the very beginning for sure.
Speaker 1: And now like watching the show and I'm so happy
Speaker 1: John has gotten this far. And in some weird universe,
Speaker 1: I miss his long winded explanations at the round table.
Speaker 3: So you feel like how he's perceived on television is
Speaker 3: not like in real life. I felt like you would
Speaker 3: just talk and talk and talk, and on the show
Speaker 3: it's kind of just like little bite sized John.
Speaker 1: It is bite sized John. But we lived it and
Speaker 1: we saw it and we're like, oh, John, just stop.
Speaker 1: That's why when I said, John, you just went around
Speaker 1: your elbow to get your ass. You've talked every which way,
Speaker 1: but you know the right way, and we have no
Speaker 1: idea what you're talking. Spoken like a true politician.
Speaker 2: You weren't wrong, you weren't.
Speaker 1: Do you know who John was?
Speaker 2: When I had no clue?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's like there's a lot of people I
Speaker 3: didn't know, and he was one of them. And I
Speaker 3: think a lot of the Bravo people I was aware of,
Speaker 3: but not I didn't know like the depths of like
Speaker 3: Phaedra or Chara or MG.
Speaker 2: I knew who they were, but I didn't, you know,
Speaker 2: I never watch them.
Speaker 3: You I'm like my wife when I went in, she's like,
Speaker 3: if Tamra is there, or be friends with her because
Speaker 3: she's really loyal and you know you, she'll probably work
Speaker 3: together with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I wanted to like we, like you said,
Speaker 1: we got really close because we were both kind of quiet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I went in there. I didn't know
Speaker 1: what the fuck I was doing. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know why I'm here. I'm just here because I'm in Scotland.
Speaker 1: Let's just figure this out, you know. And then being sick,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, conscious, send me home please?
Speaker 2: Can I ask you something?
Speaker 3: When you when you got sent home and you you
Speaker 3: felt it was me as someone who hasn't played a
Speaker 3: show like this, like your life's on TV, but it's
Speaker 3: not like a competitive It is competitive, but it's not
Speaker 3: like a game, right, How did you take that? Like
Speaker 3: when you immediately got voted off and it kind of
Speaker 3: set it in, were you like mad or were you
Speaker 3: just like, oh, it's it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I think a little bit of everything. To answer your question,
Speaker 1: I mean, I cried. I knew that I was being
Speaker 1: murdered when I was waiting in the room. I was
Speaker 1: in the room with Sandra and somebody else because there's
Speaker 1: one bedroom that they hold you in, so guys, they
Speaker 1: would split us apart before breakfast. It was early in
Speaker 1: the morning, nine o'clock in the morning or so. You know,
Speaker 1: there was probably about four different holding areas, and this
Speaker 1: holding area that we were in is the holding area
Speaker 1: I was in when Bananas got murdered. So I saw
Speaker 1: him go out. And it happens to be a room
Speaker 1: where you just walk right across the courtyard and you
Speaker 1: go to the chair where your paper is. So when
Speaker 1: I was in that room, I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I was the first one and I turned and
Speaker 1: I think it was Sandra. I think it was Sandra,
Speaker 1: maybe MJ. And I almost said, if I murdered, it's Dan,
Speaker 1: and then I thought, okay, that would be cheating. There's
Speaker 1: no cameras on us. I can't say that. So I
Speaker 1: went out. Of course, you're taken across the courtyard. That's
Speaker 1: not the way to breakfast. And I sat down and
Speaker 1: I'm like part of me was relieved because you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this. I'm very much a homebody. I'm
Speaker 1: with my husband all the time. I'm with my daughter,
Speaker 1: my only daughters, you know, at home still, and it's
Speaker 1: very hard for me to go away, even when we
Speaker 1: go on vacation. I a weak max and I need
Speaker 1: to get home. I want to go home. So it
Speaker 1: was wayne heavy on me. And then plus being had
Speaker 1: been so sick, I wanted to go home, but I
Speaker 1: was also starting to feel better, and I'm like, now
Speaker 1: I want to play. Now, I want to like all
Speaker 1: the big mouths are gone. Now let's get down and dirty.
Speaker 1: And I think I told you that then the night before,
Speaker 1: like I let's play this game. We are known as
Speaker 1: the quiet ones. Right now, let's let's shake shit up.
Speaker 3: And that's what when when I was watching you, like
Speaker 3: with your when your murder speech, I'm like, there's a
Speaker 3: moment when I'm like, you can feel a real emotion
Speaker 3: from me. We're like, man, she really was sad and
Speaker 3: like and my end, I'm like, it was sad because
Speaker 3: I didn't want you. That's like one of the one
Speaker 3: murder I'm like, I don't want to go down like
Speaker 3: this because I want I liked you and we were
Speaker 3: I felt like we had a good relationship in the game,
Speaker 3: and that's one of like the lists of twenty things
Speaker 3: that went wrong.
Speaker 2: Does that happen you leave the game?
Speaker 1: Well, would you say Big Brother is harder or Traders?
Speaker 3: For me, big Brother is more strenuous, like it's like
Speaker 3: ninety days, But Traders for me was completely out of
Speaker 3: my comfort zone. And big Brother, like there'd be confrontations
Speaker 3: and I would sit someone down like that was pissed
Speaker 3: at me, and in like thirty minutes we'd be cool.
Speaker 3: And Traders you don't have that time and it's like
Speaker 3: bang bang bang and I For me, Traders was more difficult.
Speaker 3: But from a readjustment to real life standpoint, this felt
Speaker 3: like a job, like it was a fun job, where
Speaker 3: Big Brother feels like your life, and so this was
Speaker 3: easier for me to go back to normal life once
Speaker 3: it was over.
Speaker 1: Now, a lot of people I've talked to, after you're
Speaker 1: murdered and you go home, it messes with your head
Speaker 1: for a few weeks, like you still have that song
Speaker 1: in your head that they would play for us, and
Speaker 1: if it wasn't in your head, you'd play it on
Speaker 1: your phone, like it's really a mind like you get
Speaker 1: out of what seems like this this video game that
Speaker 1: you're in, Like your world is turned into a video game.
Speaker 1: You have no outside influences, you have no cell phone,
Speaker 1: you don't know what time it is half the time,
Speaker 1: you don't know what date is unless you look at
Speaker 1: your thermostat on the wall and it had the date
Speaker 1: on there. The only way I knew what day was.
Speaker 1: So it was you get home and it's hard to
Speaker 1: go back to normal life. And that's why they have
Speaker 1: like therapists that call us. I'm like, what you're gonna
Speaker 1: call me? Why would you call me like I'm going home,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fine. It's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's where it's like, for me, this was
Speaker 3: as crazy it sounds, this was easier to address. You
Speaker 3: still experience some things like you wake up and you're
Speaker 3: you know, thinking you're getting back in the cars. But
Speaker 3: for me, Big Brother was like that times one hundred,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's you're gone for days instead of
Speaker 3: three weeks. And but this was just a really I
Speaker 3: felt like this was a you know, Parverdy said this,
Speaker 3: this was a show first in a game second, and I.
Speaker 2: Can appreciate this for what it was. It was such
Speaker 2: a fun.
Speaker 3: Experience and and but there are elements when you're when
Speaker 3: you're done and you're like it's still not done in
Speaker 3: your head.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the Housewives are playing like making
Speaker 1: a show and the gamers are playing a game.
Speaker 3: I think the Housewives are doing both, you know, I
Speaker 3: think you look at the cast as a whole, and
Speaker 3: I think there's really no one that let you down,
Speaker 3: Like it's I feel like everyone brought their best to
Speaker 3: the show. And that's one of the fun things, is
Speaker 3: like we're all grown adults, but everyone there and I'm
Speaker 3: sure you can speak this was trying hard. It was
Speaker 3: important to everyone. There was no one who like thought
Speaker 3: they were above the show. And I think that came
Speaker 3: out in the end product, like everyone like there's moments
Speaker 3: for everyone in the show. And I think if you
Speaker 3: take some people out of the cast, it's not the
Speaker 3: same show. Like it was such a unique dynamic. And yeah,
Speaker 3: the rubbing of personalities and explosions, it was. It was awesome.
Speaker 1: Would you go back?
Speaker 3: You know, this is one thing I would do again
Speaker 3: because I've learned so much. I made so many mistakes
Speaker 3: and played against you know a lot of different people
Speaker 3: I normally wouldn't play against, like like you as a housewife,
Speaker 3: like you're used to like fighting for your life because
Speaker 3: people are always coming at you.
Speaker 1: Mean you did it last night. I did it last night.
Speaker 2: I was filming going by the way, or can you
Speaker 2: talk about it? Is it good?
Speaker 1: It's going, it's going. I mean we're about five weeks
Speaker 1: in and whoo yep, fought for my life last night.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you one hundred percent no bs question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're on the show, is that you or
Speaker 3: is that you turned up?
Speaker 2: Or is it you making a show? Like to me,
Speaker 2: it's well, here's.
Speaker 1: The thing, and this is what I'm trying to maneuver
Speaker 1: through this season. I have. I was a drama girl,
Speaker 1: so when I got on stage, I was relatively quiet
Speaker 1: in my normal life. But when I got on stage
Speaker 1: or cameras in front of me, I would naturally pump
Speaker 1: it up. And I sometimes feel like, yeah, I will
Speaker 1: pump it up. I mean alcohol driven things because I'm
Speaker 1: not normally like a big drinker. So I know that
Speaker 1: that's my I don't know that's my liquid courage. When
Speaker 1: I'm on the show. So sometimes like you know what,
Speaker 1: I act like that. No, So I'm trying to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you don't have to be all the things camera, you
Speaker 1: don't have to be you have to do all the
Speaker 1: things like so yeah, I don't have to have my
Speaker 1: AK forty seven's out in every scene, you know. So
Speaker 1: I'm you'll probably see a little bit of a different,
Speaker 1: softer me this season.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know you'll see Well, let me ask this
Speaker 2: so so okay, so I think the answer is like
Speaker 2: you turn you'll turn it up because you know how
Speaker 2: cameras are on, but you, as your everyday person, you're
Speaker 2: a little more chill.
Speaker 1: I'm very chill.
Speaker 3: Is everyone on the show turn up or some people
Speaker 3: just like that are somehow so.
Speaker 1: I have to just think everybody. I think everybody turns
Speaker 1: up to a certain degree for sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, for sure.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about this episode. So this is a
Speaker 1: big episode. Kate has been recruited and people are gunning
Speaker 1: for Fadra. Do you think Kate and Faedra make a
Speaker 1: good trader team?
Speaker 3: I think it's was funny to watch how quickly of
Speaker 3: all people, like, of all people and we love her.
Speaker 3: MJ is like bust Kate within the first five minutes,
Speaker 3: and it's like.
Speaker 2: Crazy's like kind of floating around doing all these things,
Speaker 2: but these.
Speaker 3: Like moments of incredible insight and you're like, how does
Speaker 3: she figure this stuff out?
Speaker 1: I know, is that would that have been your pick,
Speaker 1: Kate or would you chose somebody else?
Speaker 2: At that point?
Speaker 3: I would have picked CT someone you know, CT, someone
Speaker 3: where it's like there's a game, like another reality competitorship.
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean CT has just been kind of
Speaker 1: flying under the radar, and you know, he's a big gamer.
Speaker 1: You would think like he'd be the first one to
Speaker 1: be a trader. But yeah, I think, and I also
Speaker 1: think that Phager should have picked Peter so he would
Speaker 1: he would stop stop coming from her.
Speaker 3: You know, that would have been interesting to see Peter
Speaker 3: in the jail and it's like, here's this guy who's
Speaker 3: on this crusade and it's like you're literally have to
Speaker 3: join or you leave the game.
Speaker 2: And it's what a.
Speaker 1: Twist, What a twist? I mean, they have stepped it
Speaker 1: up the season. I mean to have her put in
Speaker 1: that Gail, that dungeon, whatever she was, and she's just
Speaker 1: sitting like standing there like you know, it makes it
Speaker 1: look like she'd been there overnight. You know, it was
Speaker 1: just crazy.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this real quick on Peter because
Speaker 3: I'm a big Peter fan, but me too, what is
Speaker 3: your Do you feel like your perception of him playing
Speaker 3: the game is different than watching him on television? Because
Speaker 3: I feel that way like I didn't feel like I
Speaker 3: feel like on TV it's very like they put them
Speaker 3: as like holier than now, but I didn't get that
Speaker 3: feel in person.
Speaker 1: Did. It's funny because I felt like Peter didn't really
Speaker 1: like me or we just never connected the first half
Speaker 1: of when I was there, so when we would film,
Speaker 1: I just felt like I just didn't know him, and
Speaker 1: I felt like, well, he doesn't want to get to
Speaker 1: know me. And then where things changed with me and
Speaker 1: Peter is when we did the laser light in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night and he's like, hey, you know, Tam,
Speaker 1: there's a shield over there if you want to get it.
Speaker 1: And I just felt like at that point then that
Speaker 1: kind of gave us like open the door for us
Speaker 1: to talk. And then after that I was really just
Speaker 1: listening to what he was saying. I knew he wasn't
Speaker 1: I felt like he wasn't a trader, so I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he just became just
Speaker 1: this sweet guy. To me, he was just so sweet.
Speaker 1: But to see him now, like you knew talking to him,
Speaker 1: he's smart and he is thinking about the game at
Speaker 1: all times, much like Janelle.
Speaker 2: I'd agree with that.
Speaker 1: Janelle was always like I would look across the room
Speaker 1: at her and she'd just be gazing and you could
Speaker 1: see her mind was going, going, going, It was always gaming.
Speaker 1: So I knew Peter was good at what he was doing.
Speaker 3: But but no, to circle back. I think it's an
Speaker 3: interesting choice. And and I just found MJ fascinating. You know,
Speaker 3: she said she had a great job. I was on
Speaker 3: the show where it's just like, where did that come from?
Speaker 1: I know, do you think it's Peter's fault that the
Speaker 1: faithfuls are starting to turn on him? Or do you
Speaker 1: think that the trader's manipulation has just been that good?
Speaker 3: I think that the Bravo click is so tight, and
Speaker 3: I think you do.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that you think the
Speaker 1: Bravo click is tight, because you know, I was part
Speaker 1: of that Bravo click and I kind of felt like
Speaker 1: there was a disconnection between me and Charay. You know,
Speaker 1: me and char are friends, but when we were there,
Speaker 1: we were both looking at each other like, I'll trust you,
Speaker 1: you don't trust me. I know what Housewise up cable of.
Speaker 1: So I didn't feel like it was And we never
Speaker 1: really voted the same either. So that's why I'm like,
Speaker 1: why do people just grow on the same network? And
Speaker 1: I think that got brought up in this episode. Oh,
Speaker 1: they're on the same network, Like it's like, so what,
Speaker 1: Like we're all here to play the same game. So
Speaker 1: I personally didn't feel tight with any of the girls.
Speaker 3: I feel like the second half of the game really,
Speaker 3: like after I got voted out, that that's when you
Speaker 3: saw the battle lines drawn. And I think that, you know,
Speaker 3: cause I think Peter a really compelling argument and he
Speaker 3: knew the week before the numbers were starting to get
Speaker 3: out of hand, and I just feel like, when you
Speaker 3: make that compelling of an argument and it still doesn't fly,
Speaker 3: I think there's, you know, something else at work, and
Speaker 3: it's just your trust. It's like, are you going to
Speaker 3: trust someone who you're familiar with or some guy who
Speaker 3: you know you're not really that sure of. And I
Speaker 3: think he may have, you know, And I love this
Speaker 3: about the game, like what people are saying, like Peter's
Speaker 3: doing too much, like planning all these seeds and traps
Speaker 3: and all these theories.
Speaker 2: That's what I love to see.
Speaker 3: But I think that also caught up with him in
Speaker 3: the end because you saw him lose a ton of distrust.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people that never question him.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your exit speech.
Speaker 2: What you finding out?
Speaker 1: Well, well, what would you have done it over again?
Speaker 3: The exit specially like going after Fader or when I'm
Speaker 3: in there, I think we're you know, I had so
Speaker 3: many missteps, But I think one is that I think
Speaker 3: with Janelle there, if I take the shot a week earlier,
Speaker 3: I think there's a I have a better chance to survive.
Speaker 3: I don't know that the outcomes different because I just
Speaker 3: didn't know who Faedra was, Like I didn't know that
Speaker 3: she could defend everything so quickly. And you have to understand,
Speaker 3: Tamor like, I've done this before two times, and I'll
Speaker 3: do these like big shots and they always work.
Speaker 2: This is the first time where it's like it didn't work.
Speaker 1: Do you think that you should have went after parvating?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: I think you know, hindsight, yes, but not in hindsight
Speaker 3: you're watched, it'll be like, oh, you should take out poverty.
Speaker 3: But for me, to me, that buys me a day
Speaker 3: or two. Like to go after Fadra. I'm like, if
Speaker 3: I get Faedra the faithful, now think I'm a faithful
Speaker 3: because I've been quiet this whole time and I got one,
Speaker 3: and then I have a path to the end. I just,
Speaker 3: you know, I think what was interesting for me to
Speaker 3: see was that, like, and I haven't talked to her
Speaker 3: at all. She hasn't talked to me. But I think
Speaker 3: Faedra was hurt by me turning on her. And I
Speaker 3: don't think I realized how loyal.
Speaker 2: She was going to be. I was just scared of
Speaker 2: being at the end with her.
Speaker 3: And the Bravo click at this fire, she looks and
Speaker 3: they're like, Okay, Dan's gone. Because I saw how many
Speaker 3: friends she had. I'm like, that's tough to beat in
Speaker 3: a game like this, and I think you're seeing it
Speaker 3: with Peter right now.
Speaker 1: Do you think the gamers underestimate the housewives?
Speaker 2: Oh? I a thousand percent, did you know?
Speaker 3: I just I think you're so good your day to
Speaker 3: day skills on TV are so well suited to make
Speaker 3: you successful in the Traders, Like you're used to confrontation,
Speaker 3: to sitting people down, to casting doubt on someone, to
Speaker 3: defending yourself and you know, I just I was so
Speaker 3: impressed with what Faedra did to me at the table.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is you know, I didn't see this
Speaker 3: coming and she got me.
Speaker 1: Well, there's some headlines, there's been weekly headlines about the show.
Speaker 1: It's just been so dang popular. So Buzzfy did an
Speaker 1: article with Phaedra set her down. In this article, Fadra
Speaker 1: claimed she offered to help you Dan before the roundtable
Speaker 1: where you were banished. She stated, I knew the night.
Speaker 1: I knew the night he was going to be basically banished,
Speaker 1: and I went to him and said, if there's anything
Speaker 1: I can do to help you, Dan, I will What
Speaker 1: are your plans Dan? He was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm coming up with something, always very aloof. He's like,
Speaker 1: I would never give you up. I would never betray you, Phaedra,
Speaker 1: and then he goes off and betrays me. Is that true?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I don't remember that conversational, and I think that's one
Speaker 3: of the things that hurt faedrianized relationship in the game
Speaker 3: is we never talked because I was, you know, just
Speaker 3: like I was paranoid about being around you now and
Speaker 3: people lumping us together. I didn't want to be lumped
Speaker 3: with Phaedra, and so we really rarely talked in the game,
Speaker 3: if at all. And the time we talked was in
Speaker 3: the turret and that was really quick. So no, that
Speaker 3: didn't that did not happen. What I can say will
Speaker 3: happen is we're walking into the roundtable and we hadn't
Speaker 3: talked at all, and she turns to me and she
Speaker 3: starts singing, I will follow you, meaning like whatever I
Speaker 3: throw out there, she's going.
Speaker 2: To back me up.
Speaker 1: And she's saying it too.
Speaker 3: She's saying it because it was like we're walking in
Speaker 3: and like we hadn't talked, and she's looking back, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, like the only way I can get
Speaker 3: her is by surprise, and that didn't even matter. But
Speaker 3: I think, you know, and I understand, like I think
Speaker 3: she's not thrilled with me is probably you know the
Speaker 3: kindest way to say.
Speaker 1: It, But do you think that how's it going to
Speaker 1: go with you guys at the reunion?
Speaker 2: You know, I was going to ask you this. I
Speaker 2: I've never done a reunion. I know this is like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're an expert at well.
Speaker 1: I'm not really in the hot seat, so I'm usually
Speaker 1: in the hot seat. So I'm just going to enjoy
Speaker 1: this reunion. I'm hoping we can have a cocktail, maybe
Speaker 1: a hot dog, I don't know, just sit back, some
Speaker 1: popcorn and watch you guys go at it.
Speaker 3: Can you give me a little advice as someone I
Speaker 3: assume I'm probably going to be in the hot seats,
Speaker 3: someone who's been in the hot seat before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the housewife advice would be, have your receipts, have
Speaker 1: your proof, have your rundown.
Speaker 2: You need to have it all.
Speaker 1: But you know, just you know, I think it's just
Speaker 1: the truth. This is a whole different game. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a whole different animal. So you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. The thing is Tambora.
Speaker 3: One of the biggest adjustments for me, or one of
Speaker 3: the realizations from this is that, and I want to
Speaker 3: ask you this is that I come out of these
Speaker 3: games and I'm like, I like, it was just hard
Speaker 3: because I liked everyone, Like yeah, Pa, I like bananas.
Speaker 2: I liked everyone.
Speaker 1: There's nobody who didn't like Oh, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like normally when you played Big Brother, you're like, man,
Speaker 3: I can't wait to get out of this house and
Speaker 3: get away from these people. I liked everyone, so to
Speaker 3: me coming off, I was a little surprised that people
Speaker 3: were really angry. But also I understand because it's like
Speaker 3: you like, you trust someone and they turn your back
Speaker 3: before you, Like, do you think that's a Bravo like
Speaker 3: gamer thing, like we're used to just going back to
Speaker 3: real life and I don't know, figure that out.
Speaker 1: Slice a Bitch and go back to life. Speaking of
Speaker 1: Slice and a Bitch, Johnny Bananas has gone after you
Speaker 1: on social media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, it just it's taking a little too personal,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I this is what I can say.
Speaker 3: I think that for me, I don't take anything personal,
Speaker 3: but I think for me to assume the same from
Speaker 3: other people, it's probably not fair. People have different motives
Speaker 3: and different experiences. So it just I guess it's what
Speaker 3: you sign up for when you join a show like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So another headline was a TV Line article interviewer
Speaker 1: sat down with Allan returning player Kate Chastain, executive producer
Speaker 1: Sam Reege Jones and Steven Lambert. They asked Rhys Jones
Speaker 1: why did producers bring Kate back and so late in
Speaker 1: the game. He tells them she didn't play the perfect
Speaker 1: game in season one, so it wasn't like bringing back
Speaker 1: a mastermind. We want to keep the players always guessing
Speaker 1: what's going to happen next. It's a murder mystery at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. So we enjoyed Kate arriving
Speaker 1: halfway through. Did you like Kate appearing halfway through as
Speaker 1: a viewer?
Speaker 2: As a player?
Speaker 3: I knew her personality type from watching the first season.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is not good because I think she's
Speaker 3: really cool as a person. She's great TV. But I
Speaker 3: knew how she was gonna be. She was gonna call
Speaker 3: things out. There wasn't there's no filter, and if something
Speaker 3: seemed a little off, she's not gonna come ask you
Speaker 3: about it. She's just gonna blow you up. And so
Speaker 3: that kind of personality coming into the game, I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, Oh, she's a little comic relief too. She really is.
Speaker 1: They also asked the panel if Alan has a say
Speaker 1: in selecting the traders, which in short is yes. Reyes
Speaker 1: Jones goes on to say, we do a personality test
Speaker 1: with everyone before they go in, which gives us a
Speaker 1: bit more of an idea of if they could take
Speaker 1: it on. Allan chimes in to admit, it's the most
Speaker 1: terrifying part of the whole series for me, select because
Speaker 1: if I get up hugely by just banging somebody with
Speaker 1: my elbow, my heart is pounding. But I do all
Speaker 1: these tricks to sort of confuse them. Stop, walk back.
Speaker 1: He moves his arms, moves his elbows. I actually heard him.
Speaker 1: What I thought was this jacket move to tap you.
Speaker 1: I really thought that, because you know he's wearing all
Speaker 1: this big old costumes stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, thanks for not saying anything.
Speaker 1: I know I didn't because you know, then I started
Speaker 1: second guessing myself because Lars accused poverty of the same thing.
Speaker 1: Like I heard him like, you're a trader. And then
Speaker 1: you know how that went. The personality test, the testing
Speaker 1: we had to do physically, mentally, go to the doctor,
Speaker 1: all the things. It was a lot. At one point,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have time for this shit, guys.
Speaker 3: The thing that surprised me was the swim test when
Speaker 3: we were there I've never done anything like that, and
Speaker 3: I just you remember, did you do the swim test?
Speaker 1: I did the swim test. And I'm telling you something.
Speaker 1: After sitting in that damn hotel room for two days,
Speaker 1: I was so excited. I really felt like I was
Speaker 1: in prison. They're like, okay, we are now picking you
Speaker 1: up from your room and we're going to drive you
Speaker 1: to like a YMCA. You know, it's the only time
Speaker 1: we got out of the hotel in the in two days.
Speaker 1: And when I say in the hotel, in our room
Speaker 1: with nobody, nobody in British TV, that's it. So they
Speaker 1: took us to this room and I'm like, okay, They're like,
Speaker 1: here's your clothes. It's like, you really feel like you
Speaker 1: were a prisoner.
Speaker 3: Would would you ever consider doing Celebrity Big Brother? No,
Speaker 3: not even like remotely considered.
Speaker 1: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: My friend Teddy, my co host for teasing a pod,
Speaker 1: she did it.
Speaker 2: She she loves doing experience or well, she.
Speaker 1: Got let go pretty quickly, so she didn't have the
Speaker 1: full experience. But you know, it was during COVID and
Speaker 1: she was literally in She had to be quarantined for
Speaker 1: thirty or a week before like just sit in a
Speaker 1: hotel room looking out a window, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: would have been gone crazy by that. So poverty is
Speaker 1: done with reality TV. She's saying, I don't see another
Speaker 1: show like this for me, unless it's Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars or Drag Race. I don't really want to do
Speaker 1: another show where it's manipulating and emotional warfare. It's triggering
Speaker 1: me to do that. Oh, but you're so good at it, Parverty.
Speaker 1: Parverty's new dream is to host her own show. Well,
Speaker 1: that's probably pretty much everybody's. She says, I'd like to
Speaker 1: do that. Alan is iconic on The Traders and weaves
Speaker 1: himself into the fabric of the show and da da
Speaker 1: da da. So do you think that's true. I think
Speaker 1: if she gets off for another show, she'll do it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it would be extremely I would
Speaker 3: place the large bet there's Survivor's fifties coming in a
Speaker 3: couple of years or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a massive survivor.
Speaker 3: If they run that show and she's not on it,
Speaker 3: people are going to be up in arms.
Speaker 2: I think they will entice her enough. But I get it.
Speaker 3: I mean, we had a chance to spend a lot
Speaker 3: of time with poverty. We're in the same car, and
Speaker 3: it's hard to go from like and it's I think
Speaker 3: it's even harder for her to go from like.
Speaker 2: A villain because she was a villain on Survivor. She
Speaker 2: destroyed people.
Speaker 3: And the social media backlash I think that she got
Speaker 3: you know, took a somewhat of her Yeah, and now
Speaker 3: she's like, you know, evolved, She's not that person and
Speaker 3: never I mean it's like, we play these characters on
Speaker 3: TV and we're not those people.
Speaker 2: But that you know, sometimes I.
Speaker 1: Believe the audience doesn't they don't care, and I know
Speaker 1: that for like you, it's been over ten years since
Speaker 1: you're on TV, and social media is so different and
Speaker 1: play such a big role on your emotional state.
Speaker 2: Like literally, I will say this. So Big Brother has
Speaker 2: live feeds you can watch all the time.
Speaker 3: The fans are very passionate, nothing compared to Bravo fans
Speaker 3: like what I've experienced, and I could take it off
Speaker 3: the grain of salt. It doesn't bother me. But there
Speaker 3: are some passionate Bravo fans. I understand now why there's
Speaker 3: a Bravo con why it's huge.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it, Like Bravo.
Speaker 1: Fans can be crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, here's my take on this is that normally, for
Speaker 3: someone like you to Tama on your show, there's like, okay,
Speaker 3: Housewive against Housewive.
Speaker 2: If you're a Bravo fan, you pick aside. Well, guess what.
Speaker 2: The Traders united all those people to go at someone else,
Speaker 2: and it's like, for once, they're all on the same
Speaker 2: side going after one person. And I get it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like rooting for your favorite sports team.
Speaker 3: It's like, we want Team Bravo to win. You know,
Speaker 3: I guess I don't take any of it personal, but.
Speaker 1: It Robo doesn't care how shittyest Housewives played. They just
Speaker 1: want a housewife to win, that's for sure. So let's
Speaker 1: get into the actual episode now. So Phaedra asked Kate
Speaker 1: to join her as a trader, but if she declines,
Speaker 1: she'll be murdered. Kate accepts. She knows she wasn't really
Speaker 1: given a choice, but she thinks she could. This could
Speaker 1: be fun. Kate is surprised and disappointed that Faedra is
Speaker 1: the only trader left. When Fadra's asked what's the strategy,
Speaker 1: Kate is frustrated she doesn't already have a plan. So
Speaker 1: that's me earlier saying like I feel like Fadri's just
Speaker 1: playing a character. I don't think she's really playing as
Speaker 1: a gamer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to her credit's working, but that that's working.
Speaker 3: That's how I felt in the trader churt with her.
Speaker 3: I'd have like ideas and I'd throw them out there,
Speaker 3: be like who do you want? What do you think?
Speaker 3: And it was just kind of deflected back to me.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's a great strategy because in her hands,
Speaker 3: you know, she never has blood on her hands.
Speaker 1: But also it's like, well, I would probably play that
Speaker 1: way too, because I don't I don't strategize and you know,
Speaker 1: do that, do this? And if I do that, that's
Speaker 1: going to happen. Like I mean in Housewife, w Old,
Speaker 1: I can do that, but in gaming world, like you
Speaker 1: really have to think like ten steps ahead.
Speaker 3: See I think, but see, I think if you were
Speaker 3: there for the second half of the game, I feel
Speaker 3: like the first half of the game is just thinning
Speaker 3: people out right. There's so many people there, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I think if you're in the second half game, I
Speaker 3: think you do very well because you're in tune to everyone.
Speaker 3: And I think that stuff is like for you second nature.
Speaker 2: I really do. I think you would have been great
Speaker 2: at it.
Speaker 1: Phedra threw you a little shade in this episode. She
Speaker 1: said Dan was like drinking dry milk with toasts, no better,
Speaker 1: no jam Kate said she had a weird vibe from
Speaker 1: you as well. Do you care to respond to that?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't take any of it personal. I
Speaker 3: just I take it as Phaedra and I've never talked
Speaker 3: to her. I feel like she's was hurt by what
Speaker 3: I did, and I can understand why she's.
Speaker 1: Probably I was hurt by what she did.
Speaker 3: So and because we never talked about when, like when
Speaker 3: did you figure out it wasn't me? And then I
Speaker 3: got a phone calls from like a San Francisco number.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know a name from San Francisco,
Speaker 3: so I didn't answer it.
Speaker 2: What if you answer that call? What would have I was.
Speaker 1: Literally in San Francisco doing a live show with my
Speaker 1: podcast with Teddy, and the show's airing. It's a Thursday night,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, my phone is blowing up
Speaker 1: and it's basically, Phaedra is the one that murdered you.
Speaker 2: And I went prior to that where you just like, oh,
Speaker 2: screw Dan. You know, I'm mad at him, doad.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna deal with you at the reunion,
Speaker 1: and so then I don't really have anything to deal with,
Speaker 1: you know, And I thought, oh my god, so he
Speaker 1: wasn't lying, he wasn't like, because you really sucked me in.
Speaker 1: Like I really thought, like, God, this guy's so nice.
Speaker 1: And he talks about his wife and we talk about
Speaker 1: our relationships and kids and really got to know each
Speaker 1: other on a personal level. And then I'm like, and
Speaker 1: then is that his strat? And everyone's like, that's his strategy.
Speaker 1: That's what he does. He gets to know you, and
Speaker 1: then you know, he gets rid of you. I'm like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: well I was fooled.
Speaker 3: No, well that's like but that's like, that's whoy I
Speaker 3: am genuinely, But in these games, it's like our next conversation,
Speaker 3: once we're to that comfort level is then we start
Speaker 3: talking strategy. But yeah, I only had time to get
Speaker 3: to know people. I didn't get the second part.
Speaker 2: Wait, So if I would have picked up the call,
Speaker 2: what would you have said?
Speaker 1: I would have I said, oh my god, I'm so sorry, Dan,
Speaker 1: I was just found out that you know it wasn't you.
Speaker 1: I feel horrible, like I was ready to go on
Speaker 1: stage when I called you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it because that was like when I DM
Speaker 3: you and like you kind of ghosted me. Slash told me,
Speaker 3: not like you didn't tell me not to talk. But
Speaker 3: that's a vibe I got.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, good ghosting, really good. So the
Speaker 1: players arrived to breakfast. Kate, Sandra, and CT are all
Speaker 1: questioning Peter's credibility. Peter is shocked to still be alive
Speaker 1: and is hoping to see Trichelle and Kevin. MJ asked
Speaker 1: Kate if she's okay. She doesn't seem like she's all there.
Speaker 1: Kate is worried people are already suspecting she's a trader.
Speaker 1: She's still processing her shift from faithful to trader. The
Speaker 1: last two arrived as Trischelle Kevin was murdered. Alan said, oh,
Speaker 1: Kevin up in heaven and throws his thing down. I
Speaker 1: am impressed with MJ knowing something was off with Kate
Speaker 1: right away, and we talked about this earlier that, I mean,
Speaker 1: her radar was there.
Speaker 3: There's moments where like MJ, what are you doing? And
Speaker 3: then there's like MJ how did you do? Like, how
Speaker 3: did you figure this out?
Speaker 2: And I think she's an enigma to watch.
Speaker 1: She is she this episode? I was all into MJ.
Speaker 2: Did you know MJ at all prior to this.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, a little bit, not not super well, but
Speaker 1: I did. In fact, I had run into her right
Speaker 1: before we were to go to Scotland.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: I was at Serious Radio doing Jeff Lewis and she
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 3: Did you guys like, wink wink, nudge nudge, are you
Speaker 3: going to Scotland?
Speaker 2: Or you didn't even you had no clue.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing. I had talked to Jeff
Speaker 1: Lewis off camera. I'm really good friends and I know
Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to do this, but I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: I got asked to do Traders. He goes, so did I.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you know who Jeff Lewis is,
Speaker 1: but the radio guy he is radio now but he
Speaker 1: did the show Flipping Out, who was on Bravo Interior
Speaker 1: decorating all that. He's got another show now on Amazon.
Speaker 1: But he goes, I had to turn down. He's a
Speaker 1: single dad. So he's like, I can't leave Monroe, and
Speaker 1: I said, oh, bummer he's all, but MJ's doing it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I go, well, I don't know her
Speaker 1: that well, and I don't know that I should talk
Speaker 1: to her about this. He goes, I'll tell her. The
Speaker 1: next thing I know, m Jay was texting me, so
Speaker 1: kinda knew she was going so Phaedra's goal is to
Speaker 1: break apart the Peter alliance. Once they get rid of him,
Speaker 1: the rest of them will scatter. CT tells Trichelle it's
Speaker 1: time to consider Peter could be a trader. Trichelle tells
Speaker 1: John they are outnumbered at the roundtable tonight. Peter says
Speaker 1: they need to convince Sandra and CT to vote their side.
Speaker 1: CT tells Peter he's leaning towards him to vote out.
Speaker 1: I loved his honesty when he said, who are you thinking?
Speaker 1: He's like you, brother, you you're the one that's going tonight.
Speaker 1: Do you think Peter messed up his game last week
Speaker 1: by trying to protect poverty.
Speaker 3: I think the strategy of it. I really like the strategy.
Speaker 3: I just think in this game, if you give anyone
Speaker 3: a reason to like doubt you, that's it's like the
Speaker 3: kiss of death. And I feel like some people didn't
Speaker 3: understand what he was doing or didn't agree with it,
Speaker 3: and that was enough. And but you know, I got
Speaker 3: to give Fader credit. She's right, like, if you take
Speaker 3: him out, there's no one to unify that group anymore.
Speaker 3: And then they just pick him off one by one,
Speaker 3: you know, the Bravo people.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean Peter was right. He was absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And he put his life out on the line there
Speaker 1: trying to explain to everybody that he knew that Phaedra
Speaker 1: was a trader, he knew that Privaty was a trader,
Speaker 1: and he knew that he was going to probably get murdered,
Speaker 1: but he was willing to take that chance.
Speaker 3: I felt like he did a really good job explaining
Speaker 3: exactly what he had done, and you know the history
Speaker 3: of his behavior.
Speaker 2: I think what really hurt once again is Kate. Like
Speaker 2: Kate is always in there like throwing a bar of
Speaker 2: doubt and yes, and.
Speaker 1: It's like and Peter when he explains things, and he's
Speaker 1: very convincing, very convinced. He is sharp. I mean, anybody
Speaker 1: that's flying around hundreds of people in the air and
Speaker 1: protecting their life and getting there safe, he's my type
Speaker 1: of guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm a big Peter Fan and I think
Speaker 3: you know it probably you know it's not just Peter,
Speaker 3: It's it's Kate.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think Kate being.
Speaker 3: There really shook everything up, because she can take a
Speaker 3: really well logical statement and just kind of throw something
Speaker 3: kind of funny or you know, a little distracting, then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden dismisses his whole argument.
Speaker 1: I really liked today's mission. I thought it was fun.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to get wet or dirty or full
Speaker 1: of bugs. So each player has a stained glass window
Speaker 1: with their name on it. Players will use a crossbow
Speaker 1: to shatter the names until one is remaining. The name
Speaker 1: remaining intact will earn a shield. The players stared off
Speaker 1: with twenty five thousand, but every time they missed the target,
Speaker 1: they lose two hundred and fifty dollars. So Phadra says
Speaker 1: she's going to aim for John's name because he doesn't
Speaker 1: need protection. At first, I'm like, why are you name me? Why? John?
Speaker 1: And then I got it. She misses, and everyone keeps
Speaker 1: missing and missing and missing until CT aims for Kate
Speaker 1: and hits her. We're right between the eyeballs. Kate aims
Speaker 1: for CT and missus Sandra and Chrey aimed for John
Speaker 1: but he doesn't need protection, but they missed. John says
Speaker 1: this is starting to feel a little personal. The players
Speaker 1: repeatedly go for ct but end up losing two thousand
Speaker 1: aiming at his name. Phadri changes the strategy around and
Speaker 1: aiming for Trischelle instead. I don't think there was any
Speaker 1: strategy in that. I think she just thought that Trischelle
Speaker 1: was down at the bottom and they've had better luck
Speaker 1: on the bottom row. But then it backfired in her
Speaker 1: face because everybody thought it was like this big strategy.
Speaker 3: Well, here's why I like this check just because really
Speaker 3: there's a very few moments where there's actual actions in
Speaker 3: the game. A lot of it is, oh, you're too quiet,
Speaker 3: or you know you're a housewife or whatever, Like.
Speaker 2: It's just all speculation.
Speaker 3: This is like someone making a physical move that you
Speaker 3: can use to either help a case or hurt your case,
Speaker 3: or expose that you're a trader. And I think this
Speaker 3: is the first time, my opinion, we see Phadra slip up,
Speaker 3: because I think up until this point she's been like
Speaker 3: ironclad nor and uh, you know, just it's just weird.
Speaker 3: If everyone wants to do one thing, and you do
Speaker 3: the opposite. That's enough in this game. And I think
Speaker 3: this is, you know, the first time. But I like
Speaker 3: this challenge because it puts people exposed and they have
Speaker 3: to say, hey, I'm going after you for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Good, this is why I'm going after you. Totally dead
Speaker 1: at Charret's face when I mean between the last two
Speaker 1: episodes between having bugs you know, dumped on her and
Speaker 1: her jumping around list dreaming that was funny, and now
Speaker 1: her face when everybody starts going after her like why me, Yeah, well.
Speaker 2: Ray is so chill, and then to see her like
Speaker 2: scream like bloody murder. I'm I know.
Speaker 1: She's very quiet, very very quiet. Peter thinks he'll be
Speaker 1: put up for banishment tonight. John thinks Sandra and MJ
Speaker 1: could be persuaded to vote with their group. Peter separates
Speaker 1: Phaedra from her group, while while Trischelle convinces the clique
Speaker 1: to vote for against her. Mischelle says the fact that
Speaker 1: Phaedri shifted the bow to her name was a traitor behavior.
Speaker 1: Trichelle argues they are having blind loyalty to Fedra. MJ
Speaker 1: says that's not true and promises she'll keep an open mind.
Speaker 1: At the roundtable, Cet changes his mind, thinking Phaedra and
Speaker 1: Sandra purposely wanted Trichelle out. Do you think that's true?
Speaker 3: I think I don't know if if Pedra meant for
Speaker 3: that to happen, but that's what it gave the appearance of.
Speaker 3: And in this game and the appearances everything. You know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what your intentions are. It's like, this
Speaker 3: is what happened, this is what people see it as,
Speaker 3: and you're done.
Speaker 1: I really don't think that she, like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a strategy. I think it
Speaker 1: was just like I think that one's going to be
Speaker 1: a little bit easier than going up. That's all I think.
Speaker 1: Because I could see on Page's face like because kind
Speaker 1: of goes back.
Speaker 2: To what you said about my game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when Kate says what's the plan, She's like, I
Speaker 3: don't have a plan, And like I think this said
Speaker 3: I would agree.
Speaker 1: With you, Like, you know that you would have a plan.
Speaker 1: You know that Peter would have a plan, You know
Speaker 1: that Cet would have a plan. As housewives are like, well,
Speaker 1: huh plan, My plan is to you know, win this money.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's my plan. So the players sit at the round table.
Speaker 1: John is first to talk. I love his speeches, saying
Speaker 1: he believes Phaeder is a trader because both Dan and
Speaker 1: parready named her as a trader and her approach is
Speaker 1: to avoid error. John says if he attempts tonight, his
Speaker 1: attempt at is unsuccessful, he would be he won't be
Speaker 1: here tomorrow. Fadri says this is not Parliament and he
Speaker 1: can bring it down a notch. She always knows what
Speaker 1: to say. Fadri says his ally, Peter, was the one
Speaker 1: working with the traders. Faedri tells everyone that Peter now
Speaker 1: wants to work with her, but he says that's not true.
Speaker 1: If Phedra back off, lady, I never said.
Speaker 3: That, and that's not true, right, that's completely false because
Speaker 3: I don't remember ever seeing that on the show.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it on the show. But he's Peter
Speaker 1: said it wasn't true. Phaeder puts it bluntly, this is
Speaker 1: not that. This is not the batcher, and she doesn't
Speaker 1: have to kiss his ass for a rose. Peter's angry.
Speaker 1: All he's done in this game is to fight to
Speaker 1: get the traders out. Peter says he denied Fadri's letter
Speaker 1: and she didn't like that. Now, when he said that,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised everyone didn't go, oh my god, that's right,
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no. But CT and Faeder have
Speaker 1: a special friendship, so I'm curious if Phaeder felt some
Speaker 1: type of way when CT voted for her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it'll be interesting to see how that
Speaker 3: dynamic plays out.
Speaker 2: But I feel like this roundtable this was it.
Speaker 1: Pedro had a point with John because his round table
Speaker 1: speeches went on forever. They shortened them.
Speaker 3: I mean, not shortened them by a little We're talking
Speaker 3: like ten twelve minute da tribes down to like and.
Speaker 1: Like thirty seconds.
Speaker 3: I feel like and I feel like we knew that
Speaker 3: watching this because when they showed like Chara, like it
Speaker 3: looked like they were kind of like, all right, like
Speaker 3: I'm rolling my eyes, like enough.
Speaker 2: But you're going to take a little bit of John.
Speaker 2: But they probably got fifteen to twenty minutes of John
Speaker 2: on that one snippet.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's timed about four votes for Peter,
Speaker 1: four votes for Phaedra. The last vote is MJ's I
Speaker 1: had chills, chills, and I'm like, oh my god, oh
Speaker 1: my god, and I had no idea. It could have
Speaker 1: went either way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 3: It'll be interest to see how it plays out, because
Speaker 3: this vote will determine, you know, how the game ends.
Speaker 3: It's like they're either gonna get a trader or they're not.
Speaker 3: And the traders have a really nice looking path to
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 1: But if they don't, I don't get a trader. They
Speaker 1: know who the trader is after this.
Speaker 2: Why do you say that, Well, because.
Speaker 1: You know he's been saying Faedra, Phaedria, Phaedra. So I
Speaker 1: just think if Peter's gone, everybody's going to be like,
Speaker 1: he's a faithful Oh my god, He's right, it's Phaedra.
Speaker 1: And then she's gonna be gone.
Speaker 2: But let me, I said, let's say Peter is the
Speaker 2: one who's banished. Do you think the Bravo people will
Speaker 2: turn on Fadra because up and in this point there's
Speaker 2: been no glimpse of anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: Do you think it'll be the first to turn or
Speaker 2: vote against I think MJ.
Speaker 1: I think MJ's onto it. I think share well, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do, I do, because Peter had such compelling argument
Speaker 1: against her, and because he lost there his credibility by
Speaker 1: switching last minute last episode. I think that they're going
Speaker 1: to be like, oh my god, he was right. So
Speaker 1: I feel like both of them are doomed, even in
Speaker 1: the next two episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see, but I just know
Speaker 3: that through my experience, like you can dodge like one
Speaker 3: bullet at a round table and survive your dodge too.
Speaker 2: But man, it's tough.
Speaker 1: Well, Charat had said to me, like I think on
Speaker 1: the on an interview or something we're doing press, like
Speaker 1: I know the real Pedra. I know what she's capable of,
Speaker 1: So she knows. She absolutely knows.
Speaker 2: I wish I wish she would have spoke up more
Speaker 2: throughout the game.
Speaker 1: You know, she was pretty, she was quiet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was the best part. She was super quiet.
Speaker 3: But I felt like she was very trustworthy, you know,
Speaker 3: like I didn't feel like she was like dropping misdirections
Speaker 3: or lies. I felt like when I talked to Charay
Speaker 3: like whatever was said and I felt like stayed with Chara.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that was it. Dan, I thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on. I mean, it took us quite
Speaker 1: a few months to reconnect, but I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing you. Are you too at the reunion now? I've
Speaker 1: got to ask you, are you are you dressing the part?
Speaker 1: Are you going to have some plaid suit on?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know what, I've taken like a note for you,
Speaker 3: like just spending time around you. I'm like, okay, it
Speaker 3: elevates my game. You know, I'm pretty casual in real life,
Speaker 3: but I know, hey, look Tamra's coming, She's going to
Speaker 3: be decked out.
Speaker 1: You're pretty, You're pretty sharp on the show, like your outfits.
Speaker 1: I remember walking out of the hotel our very first
Speaker 1: day and we were put in the same car, and
Speaker 1: I didn't know who you were, but you looked almost pretty,
Speaker 1: almost pretty like for a guy. You look pretty like
Speaker 1: you were so put together, not a hair out of place,
Speaker 1: skin look amazing, perfect suits. You were just suited up,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, is he a newscaster?
Speaker 3: Who is this guy camera? Like in my real life,
Speaker 3: I wear the same thing every day. This is like
Speaker 3: such a like out wear, like a hoodie. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like and that's why, like I really feel like and it.
Speaker 3: People will never know I really connected with you because
Speaker 3: I think I know you're not from the Midwest, but
Speaker 3: I felt like if you were dropped on in like
Speaker 3: the real house I was a Michigan from Michigan, people like, oh,
Speaker 3: yeah she belongs.
Speaker 1: Oh I could totally rock that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean just I just felt like we connected really well.
Speaker 3: But we also spent a lot of time together. I
Speaker 3: really outside of the game and everything. I really enjoyed
Speaker 3: getting to know you, even outside the game. I know
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, it's part of this game. That wasn't
Speaker 3: It was just I really I felt it.
Speaker 1: Was very authentic. And that's why I was so mad,
Speaker 1: because I felt like, you know, if it was anybody else,
Speaker 1: I'd be like whatever, whatever, But it was you. I
Speaker 1: feel like we really connected, and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I was duped.
Speaker 2: Well that's why I was like, why is she ghosted me?
Speaker 1: Like, you know, but did you not put two in
Speaker 1: two together? Did you not think like our conversation we
Speaker 1: had that night before where I'm like, will you like
Speaker 1: can we align? Well?
Speaker 2: I was fired up when we had that conversation. I'm like, okay, like.
Speaker 1: Now like we're gonna mess shit up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a shot.
Speaker 3: And then when you know, everything went down the turn,
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, like, this is not what I want.
Speaker 1: But did you ever stick up for me?
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: They're fighting, and I'm like, I got to get them
Speaker 3: to like get on the same page. And I'm just like,
Speaker 3: I that's one that's honestly, it's one of my big
Speaker 3: mistakes is letting them, you know, take you out, because
Speaker 3: I just felt like.
Speaker 1: That's all right. I was ready to go home.
Speaker 3: Walking away from this. Are you are you glad you
Speaker 3: did it? And what's you are like takeaway from at.
Speaker 1: The time, you know what? I wasn't glad I was
Speaker 1: doing it. I had hyped myself up so bad to
Speaker 1: do the show. I almost pulled out like ten times.
Speaker 1: Why I was nervous. I think most of all just
Speaker 1: being away from my family for so long. It's that
Speaker 1: to me was pretty much a deal breaker. And then
Speaker 1: I had people in my ear going this game is huge,
Speaker 1: this show is huge. People are going to see you
Speaker 1: on a different platform, They're going to see you in
Speaker 1: a different you know that, gonna see you arguing and
Speaker 1: yelling with housewives like this is good for your career
Speaker 1: on TV and all this stuff. And so I went,
Speaker 1: but I was super hesitant about going. And I think
Speaker 1: that I made myself sick. I really do. I made
Speaker 1: myself sick. Then when I got there, you know, I
Speaker 1: had to travel like my husband's always with me, like
Speaker 1: a travel It was like a twenty four hour travel
Speaker 1: day and getting through the London airport and all that,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, I don't know where
Speaker 1: I'm going. This place is huge. Where's my husband? Like,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I just psyched myself up.
Speaker 1: I got like a cold, but because I had run
Speaker 1: I think I was still run down. Yeah, just by
Speaker 1: being nervous, I got you know, I got something in
Speaker 1: the air. And then you know what really screwed me
Speaker 1: up was the antabotics that gave me really yeah, so
Speaker 1: that when I went on those antibotics, the medic gave
Speaker 1: it to me, and then another doctor said, I would
Speaker 1: have never put you on those antibotics. They put inflammation
Speaker 1: of my intestine. And then when I got home, I
Speaker 1: ended up in the hospital. So it was just a nightmare.
Speaker 1: But you know what, now that I know what it's
Speaker 1: all about, when I do it again, probably because that
Speaker 1: wouldn't be so scared.
Speaker 2: I feel like you were like literally just on the
Speaker 2: other side I was.
Speaker 1: That's why I still pissed off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel good, your skill set, your personality,
Speaker 2: Like do you just get through that first like wave
Speaker 2: of just clearing people out. I think you would do
Speaker 2: extremely well. I think you would probably be a really
Speaker 2: great trader too. But that's just.
Speaker 1: So my whole philosophy and trying to buddy up to
Speaker 1: you that night is because I had suspicion you or
Speaker 1: a trader, and I thought, well, if anything, he might
Speaker 1: recruit me if you know, people get dropped out, and
Speaker 1: that was my like, I wanted to be a trader
Speaker 1: so bad at that point. I'm like, he's going to
Speaker 1: recruit me. If I just be his eyes and ears
Speaker 1: and rat people out, he'll get rid of them. And
Speaker 1: then when some trader gets killed to he'll he'll pull
Speaker 1: me in.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, you got to have friends in the game,
Speaker 3: and so like, to me, it's like that's definitely a
Speaker 3: conversation that I'm thinking about down the road, you know,
Speaker 3: cause I'm thinking, Okay, if X, Y and Z happens,
Speaker 3: it's you know, but you're someone I trusted, So like,
Speaker 3: that's to me, that's the game is who do you trust.
Speaker 2: And how do you bring them in the fold and
Speaker 2: find a.
Speaker 1: Way So It was so nice talking to you. It
Speaker 1: took me right back to the castle, your sweet self.
Speaker 1: But I can't wait to see you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see you soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My wife's coming too, and so you know she's excited.
Speaker 1: You go, you're going to obvious, So you have to travel.
Speaker 1: I have to drive up the day of. And then
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping like afterwards we can all
Speaker 1: go out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: That'll be fun and my husband will come up.
Speaker 2: Oh we missed Yeah in New York. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: the heck, I'm there. I'm like, where's Tammer? Where I was?
Speaker 1: I was on the call list for the entire time.
Speaker 1: And then productions like, we can't lose you right now.
Speaker 1: It's too much is going on the show?
Speaker 2: They film you like doing.
Speaker 1: The That's what I was hoping.
Speaker 2: I was too much logistics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you so much, John, and I will
Speaker 1: see you like in a week or so.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Okay, bye,