WEBVTT - Ep. 337: Render - Dale Brisby 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.200 My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.400 the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.720 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.520 of the actual bear Grease podcast. Presented by f h 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:35.360 F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.560 that's designed to be as rugged as the place as 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:49.760 we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. If you're 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.800 watching this on YouTube, you would notice that we are 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.160 not in the Global Headquarters Dell. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.400 If you came to Arkansas, you. 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:02.360 Would you would get to see the Global Headquarters slash 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:04.280 Meat Eater South Office. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.200 So are most of your listeners from Arkansas? 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:07.360 No? 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.399 I wish they were. I wish every one of them was. 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.520 I was about to say, we can talk a little 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.600 slower if we need. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.920 Well, if you if you uh, hey, we're We're ready 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.399 to take it. We take it all the time from Texas, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:25.759 Texas and Arkansas. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:26.440 Touch yep. 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.680 We talk more smack about Texas probably well, not as 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.240 much as a few other states. But so it's okay. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.880 But the the that's the best thing y'all got going 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.399 is the fact that Texa Arcana combines us. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:43.920 Yeah, so you're welcome. 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:44.920 Texa, Arcana. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:50.080 Well we are in Winnebago, Texas at the Raider Radiated 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:51.400 Ranch podcast studio. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:53.720 You've had a hard time saying that, why. 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.600 Is that Radiator Ranch? It's a cast studio. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.040 A tongue twister for you, yeah, a little bit, a 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:05.320 little bit, but man, uh, I have been watching Dale Brisbee. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.600 I'm not gonna say before you were cool, but before 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:10.160 you're you were as cool. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:10.600 As you are now. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:17.639 Okay for real, Okay, uh years ago, like before Netflix, 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.760 I remember seeing this wigged. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.600 Cowboy hatted like back in the red Box days. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:30.200 The lasses wearing cowboy, and I remember just being like, 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.040 I like this guy. And so anyway, so I just 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:35.720 say that to say I've been I've been watching you 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.040 for a while, and then when your Netflix. 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.000 Series came out, I was really excited for you. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:46.000 But tell me about I paused. I thought I thought 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.120 you were about to jump in there though. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.120 Well, I was just gonna I was just gonna speculate 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.080 on why you liked it so much. Well you could. 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.360 It's called How to Be a Cowboy. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.800 And so that gave you you were like, oh, finally 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.400 something I could study, Yes, learn how to be a 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.080 cowboy and from the world's greatest bull rider yep, and 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:02.480 the most humbled Dale Brisbee. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:04.880 Yep, that's right. 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:06.440 So anyhow, what were we gonna ask? 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.639 Well, so did you grow up in Texas? 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:15.200 Well? Dale, Yeah, I was born in Lubbock, lived in 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:21.760 Snyder for a minute, moved to Memphis, spent probably ten 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:27.040 years around College Station area, and then now I live 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:28.440 here in Winnebago. 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:35.560 So okay, so everybody everybody knows you as Dale Brisbee, 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:36.680 which is who you are. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.000 So who am I talking to right now? 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.160 Am I talking to Dale Brisbee? Dale Brisbee? 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.880 So you you actually went to school and in College Station? 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:49.240 I mean I lived there? 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:49.760 Yeah? 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.960 Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I went. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.920 I was spent some time on campus, did you did 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.400 you hanging out with some of the chicks, and then 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.480 the teachers would realize I'm not enrolled and that I 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.760 really just live in a college town in Rodeo. So 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:07.120 I got rid to go to college. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:08.280 Did you go to college? 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.400 I spent a lot of time on that campus. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:11.840 Yes, but you didn't. 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:12.640 You didn't graduate. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:13.480 Was I enrolled? 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:14.480 Maybe not? 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.760 Okay, but I had a lot of good times, A 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:19.680 lot of good times. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:20.000 Yep. 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.240 Now, now this is a great slap to Texas. 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.240 What school is there, Texas A and M baby A 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:26.600 and M. 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.840 Okay, yeah it's Texas AM. Texas A and M in 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:33.000 the Southeast Conference now SEC SEC. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.360 Thank you very much to Johnny Football. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.560 Yeah that helped well. So how long have you lived 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:41.760 where you live now? 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:43.320 Ten years? 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:44.279 Ten years? 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.320 Yep? And uh? 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:51.039 And you you have legitimate roots in rodeo, yes, like like, 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.800 give me, give me a little give me like a chronology, 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.760 and like what was it like growing up? What do 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:03.200 your parents do? Give me a little chronology of Dale Brisbee? 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.960 Uh? Yeah, so my uh, my old man kind of 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:15.800 did all of it in rodeo. And he would ride bareback. 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.760 He was a bullfighter, pickup man. He rode bulls, he 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.039 rode bronx. He I don't know how much he team roped, 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.440 but I saw him at some jackpots and it seemed 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.280 like he was handy at team roping. I never saw 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.159 him tie cavs, but he knew it, seemed to know 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.400 a lot about it. He was just all things rodeo. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.599 When he was fourteen, he showed up at a rodeo 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:40.080 in Lubbock and just went to the d riggingshoot and 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:45.799 started working for Charlie Thompson se Bart Rodeo and eventually 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.320 started picking up. He might have been younger than that, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.440 like maybe twelve or thirteen. I think by the time 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:54.280 he was fourteen he was picking up and uh yeah, 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.120 he just loved he's he is the most passionate man 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:01.839 about rodeo that I've ever met, and so I feel 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.159 like I'm not too far behind him. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.240 But regardless, I grew up. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.120 With a dad that did all of it and he 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.960 did not see it coming. Just how good at bull 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.640 riding I would be and that is just the world's greatest. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.960 And at nine years old, I actually invented riding bulls 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.600 with one hand, so for that they rode with two hands. Really, 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.480 and I just yeah, it was just a little too 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.880 easy for me, but I got to you came. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.680 You came by your love and passion for rodeo. Honestly, 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.080 I mean like family, that's not correct. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:43.400 Yeah, yeah, Like I remember, he could drive the truck too, 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.880 so like I just some I loved getting in the 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.520 truck with him, you know, with the trailer load of 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.280 stock and going down the road to a rodeo like 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.640 it to me, that's when I really felt like I 0:06:54.680 --> 0:07:01.080 was living the dream and yeah, I remember mn. I 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.400 don't know why I'm remembering some of these random memories 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.039 I hadn't thought about in a long time. I guess 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.000 just the way I described my dad just now kind 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.520 of taking me back regardless, Yeah, watching him and so 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:18.200 I did dabble in multiple events, and I really enjoyed 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.400 pretty much anything on the roughstock end. To be honest, 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:25.960 I kind of looking back, I wished I hadn't because 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.120 it would have made me just a better cowboy. But 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.920 I kind of even shot away from timed event stuff, 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.160 specifically team roping. It's not that I regret not calf roping, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.120 but I wished I would have team roped a little more, 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.040 been a little more handy with a rope. I guess, well, 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:42.920 it would have made me at least a better cowboy, 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:47.679 because I have always appreciated the ranching side of cowboy 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:51.000 in and it does involve a rope, and so, like, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.480 I don't know, there's just been times in my life 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.160 where I found myself around team ropers and I probably 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.960 could have taken some really good instruction for him. But 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.440 on the flip side of that, I did focus on 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.160 the end of the arena that I wanted to be on, 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:05.000 and so that was. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.160 A russtock yes, russtock side. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.040 Yeah. So let me back up and explain to the 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.200 viewers the two ends, like, we're kind of segregated in rodeo, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:18.080 and it's mainly because of just the way the arena 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.239 is set up. One end is your timed events, which 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:26.800 is team roping, steer wrestling, calf roping, barrel racing, and 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:28.880 they go one at a time and they time them. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:30.720 It's a race, but you go one at a time. 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.439 And then on the other end of the arena because 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.240 of how much you know the way the stock flow 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.040 at a rodeo, you have your rough stock, which is 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.480 bare back riding, sadur bronk riding, bull riding, and then 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.920 the other two jobs to do down there would be 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.559 bullfighting and a pickup man. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.040 The bullfighter's job is to distract the bull. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.240 When the bull rider comes off, and then the pickup 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.960 man's job is to help the bucking horse riders off 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:57.200 of their animal at the end. 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:01.080 Of the eight second ride. Five jobs you can do 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:01.520 down there. 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.760 Three of them are competition, two of them are hired, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.240 and so that's those five things are what I enjoyed 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:12.760 doing the most, you know, right around high school and 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:18.120 then college and thereafter. So that's just where that's where 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.640 my dad spent most of his time. And we talked 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.520 about a little last night. There's there's something about the 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:30.440 fight with an animal and the fight being like you're 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.800 trying to ride him, he's trying to buck you off. Yeah, 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.960 but there's a certain set of fundamentals in each of 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:43.160 the events that you have to implement to ride him 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.120 for eight seconds or make it around the bull that's 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.880 trying to hook you as a bullfighter, and all those 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.960 fundamentals are counterintuitive. Your intuition is going to tell you 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.120 in the bull riding that bull is going to come 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:56.880 up in the front end and his head's going to 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.280 come back, and then he jumps in the air and 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.360 he switches and his friend end hits the ground while 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.120 his back end kicks, and so like if you've never 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.560 been on a ball before, your intuition, as he jumps 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:07.240 that head's. 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.000 Coming near you, you're gonna want to like lean back, m. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.080 Well, then it's like a sling shot because his next 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.040 move he's gonna kick, and if you're leaning back, well, 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.680 he just slams you forward and you actually your teeth 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.680 hit hit the top of his head. So as he 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.320 jumps forward, you've got to counterbalance that and jump forward 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.520 with him and literally drive out over the top of 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.679 his head. We call it, to make it simple, going 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.120 to the front, going to the front, But your intuition 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:36.600 says no, get away from the front. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.840 So when he goes down, you go to the front. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:44.679 So if you if your fear overrides your logic of 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.640 what the fundamentals are, then you're gonna you're gonna get 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:48.160 bucked off. 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.439 Yeah, that's essentially that's what I'm trying to explain. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:55.719 Yeah, so in that moment, I'm not saying nobody has 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.200 fear ever, but same thing in the broncrodon we talked 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:03.000 about it. You have to lift on your bronchrane and 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.000 keep your shoulders behind your hips. Well, your intuition if 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.679 a horse is a start bucking is you want to 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.640 sit up and you want to pull. Well, that'll get 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:15.640 you bucked off. So the fundamentals to be successful are counterintuitive. Yeah, 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.920 and so you make a decision in the shoot of 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.360 if you let your fear take over, you will not succeed. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.840 But if you can control your emotions and execute the fundamentals. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:28.079 That's how you're successful. 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.479 Yeah, it's such, it's such a it's like a primitive 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.520 that's the fight I'm talking about, the internal fight, Yeah, 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:40.200 of not being a sissy in that moment. Yeah, I think, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:44.880 what what's so cool about about roughstock riding? Which I've 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:49.080 observed from afar, but but just a tinge of it 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.360 in riding mules that all that I'll connect is that 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:57.600 this it's it's such a primitive, simple fear. Like I 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.320 think so many of the fears that people have today 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:06.080 are are complex and and and not a fear of 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.640 you're about to get slammed into the dirt or kicked, 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.000 which would be kind of like a primitive human fear 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.480 be hurt by an animal, you know, right, But it's 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.920 the same. That's the same fear that people have when 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.839 their finances get out of control or when they're they 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.240 have a child that you know, goes astray. I mean, 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:28.080 like fear is this is this throbbed inside of a human. 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.600 And I like to look at stuff and think about 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:36.600 how does you know, like what's the significance of riding 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.800 a bull for eight seconds? Or in my case, for 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.440 what I do a lot in my life. Is like, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.280 what's the significance of taking an animal in a certain 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:49.160 way and extrapolating that out into life and finding places 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.760 where you're you're like a better person because you've done 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.080 this thing and you've mastered this internal discipline. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.959 And that That's what I saw today. So we we 0:12:59.200 --> 0:12:59.960 buck some horses. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:04.480 I was in the arena on my mule and Holy 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.360 col and I've seen I've been to rodeos, but something 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.640 about being out there in the arena close, seeing the 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.200 power of those horses and then watching these guys. I 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.040 was watching your interns before they got on, and I 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.080 was quizzing them. I was like, hey, man, are you 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:24.440 are you kind of nerved up? Are you scared? You know, 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.679 just like question them and they were, you know, they 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.600 gave me several good answers about how they were calming 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.720 their fear. Donnie over here, he was slapping his face 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.920 before he got on that thing. But it's not it's 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:38.800 not like I mean, I think people could look at 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.920 some stuff like that and think it's just like this macho, 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:43.679 you know, exercise, But. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.160 I don't view it like that at all. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.319 I view it like an internal discipline that I can 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:52.240 respect that somebody could get on there because it's and 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.439 here's where it ties into mules. I I got into 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.680 mules and ecuon animals as an adult, like I grew 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.360 up and some horses in rural Arkansas, but was never 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.920 we didn't have we didn't have stock. And part of 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.280 the reason I got into it, honestly, was because they 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:14.920 intimidated me, and I was interested in in. I've always 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.520 been interested in anything that really intimidated me and me 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:18.120 trying to go. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:19.280 Yes, sir, touch it. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.800 And then I just I love mules, wanting them for hunting. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:29.520 But man, when I first got into it, every moment 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.200 of every ride, I was thinking what am I going 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.400 to do if something goes wrong? And I got bucked 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.560 off a few and had that feeling of just complete 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.320 loss of control. You know that just scares the fire 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.080 out of you. Nothing like what these boys handled today 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.240 on these bronks. But I see it, you know, And 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:51.240 that's what's cool about Oh there's about russ stock. There's risk. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.520 You know, it's a risk before and then if everything 0:14:55.560 --> 0:15:00.160 goes well afterwards, looking back in retrospect, it was an opportunity. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.640 But but if it goes poorly. Well, then it was a 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.560 risk that you shouldn't, you know what I mean. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.560 Then it's it's easy to and that's in life too, 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.200 even with finances, you know, like if the business fails, 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.640 you know, you're when you are walking up to something, 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.680 it's a risk. If you succeed at it, looking back, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:21.200 it was an opportunity. So there's a moment in there 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.920 whenever you are in the buck and shoot where the 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.560 stakes are high, of you know, with rodeo, like we 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:31.280 talked about it last night. I've not witnessed anyone anyone's 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.680 life come to an end and in any arena, but 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.600 I know people who have. Now none of them were 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.240 close friends, but like I'm familiar with this bull rider 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.560 that it happened to. And so the seven degrees of 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.200 Kevin Bacon is not seven degrees away for us on 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.560 that front. So when you crawl down in the buck 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.800 and shoot, like any Bronc or bull rider would be 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.960 lying if they would if they said it never cross 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:59.160 their mind. Yeah, that could be their last ride regardless, 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:04.160 Like you know, the risks you're taking, the stakes are high, 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.880 and they're not as high for as you know, maybe 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:13.520 like somebody who's serving in the military, but they're still 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.440 pretty high compared to just your every day I'm going 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.040 to go to the mall and go shopping, and so 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.560 that's what I'm talking about. When you're able to overcome 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.280 the fear of what could happen and then you execute 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:33.320 these fundamentals at a high level and you succeed, making 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.160 a good bronc cry just kind of encompasses. It's like 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.520 everything good about being a cowboy just floods through your 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:46.760 veins for the eight seconds during in about thirty minutes after, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:52.080 sometimes longer, and it's almost like you get a glimpse 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.960 of like everything that makes being a cowboy cool. It 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.480 just flashes before your eyes during and after that ride 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.480 when it goes well, yeah, man. And so I don't know, 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.919 it's because it is hard to explain to somebody who 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.240 has no idea about the sport, like why would you 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.600 get on this animal? And even for the for the 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.159 first you know, I just wanted to be just like 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.520 my dad. And so for the first, you know, fifty 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.760 or one hundred bronks I got on, I didn't know 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.960 why I was doing it either, but I knew because 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:24.040 it's scared the crap out of me. Bulls legitimately did 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:27.479 not scare me really as much like there were times 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:31.120 maybe certain bulls, but broncs that scared me because they're 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.080 higher off the ground, they're going fast yep, and it's 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.680 just different and so but it just it was deep 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.400 down in me, and I was like, I have to 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.960 conquer this fear that I have. 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.480 When you think a guy like JB. Mooney, does he 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:46.080 have fear? 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.000 Well, there's times where JB has been on enough and 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.360 he's been down the road enough that I mean he's 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.000 seen it all. He probably has witnessed you know somebody. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.440 I mean like he's he went to fifteen PBR World finals. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.240 But what you described where that little feeling inside of 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:09.480 you like he understands Bushwhacker is the I mean the 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.040 bull bucked him off a dozen times before he wrote 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:12.800 it the thirteenth. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.400 We got to give a little bit of context. 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:18.840 So JB. Mooney is the most winning bull rid of 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:20.520 all time, good friend of yours. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.760 Yeah, I would say he's the second. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.800 Greatest bull rider of all time, right behind myself, right 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.560 right right, Yeah, exactly, the. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:33.240 Second greatest Yep. I mean so too, he's in the reference. Yeah, 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.760 he's pretty good. He seems like he's pretty good. Yeah, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.440 so he and our best friends. By the way, well 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.320 I've calculated that. 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:41.200 On top of there. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:45.919 Yeah, man, somebody like JB, it would it would be 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.040 but yeah, cool to do some type of physical and 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.119 psychoanalysis on him. I have a feeling that he is 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.440 in the same tier of human as like an Alex Honold. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.360 You know Alex Honold is he's he's the free climber, 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.959 He's the guy that climbs all the stuff. Put him 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.560 in the same creak of nature. Yeah, Alex Hall. I've 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:12.560 heard people say that that whatever chemical drops into a 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.600 human's body when they should be experiencing fear, I mean, 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.840 fear is the thing that's designed to protect us. 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.040 I wouldn't say that just maybe I don't know much 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.040 about the guy you're describing, but just like my observation 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.800 of JB, like, I wouldn't say that that he's just 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:32.960 got completely absent of fear, because, I mean, we've seen it. 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.000 We've ever We've all seen people at least get hurt 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.359 very badly parted out of the arena, and it's happened 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.560 to any if you've ever entered a rodeo, somebody right 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.520 before you has gotten hurt so bad the ambulance had 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:47.760 to come in and put at least once, and now 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.159 you're about to get on there's you would have to 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:54.680 be insane, like literally something mentally wrong with you to 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:55.760 just to to. 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:58.840 Not send some fear there to. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.280 Not at least logic think that that could potentially happen 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:02.560 to you. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:04.119 But that's what courage is. 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.200 It's not just like an absence of the fear, it's 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.320 just how you respond to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.600 mean he even said on my podcast he was relieved 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.800 when they retired Bushwhacker, who you know, had been bucked 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:16.960 off however many in a row. 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.639 So Bushwhacker is a is a bucking bull, was. 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.000 The greatest bucking bull of all time arguably, And JB's 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:24.520 the only guy that ever wrote him. 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:26.720 Yeah, they say another guy wrote him when he was 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:27.200 two or three? 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.280 Was it you? I had no cameras on when I 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.159 wrote him. There's a picture in the back of me 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:39.680 riding him, and I'll show that to you. But regardless, JB. 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.000 So there's a there's a moment in the PVR when 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.359 you do you are able to pick your bull, and 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.600 a lot of guys might pick a ball depending on 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:50.439 their ability and this like this bull fits me whatever, Well, 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:52.280 he would always just try to pick the rankers bull 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:52.680 in the pen. 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:58.080 And on my part, like he talks about, it's like, well, 0:20:58.119 --> 0:20:58.720 why do you do that? 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.359 He said, because nobody remembers eighty five point bull rides, 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:04.720 which is an interesting quote because yep, most bull riders 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.240 be like, man, I'd love to have an average score 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.520 of eighty five, but that's not what he's going for. Yeah, 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.320