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Speaker 1: watching this on YouTube, you would notice that we are
Speaker 1: not in the Global Headquarters Dell.
Speaker 2: If you came to Arkansas, you.
Speaker 1: Would you would get to see the Global Headquarters slash
Speaker 1: Meat Eater South Office.
Speaker 3: So are most of your listeners from Arkansas?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I wish they were. I wish every one of them was.
Speaker 4: I was about to say, we can talk a little
Speaker 4: slower if we need.
Speaker 1: Well, if you if you uh, hey, we're We're ready
Speaker 1: to take it. We take it all the time from Texas,
Speaker 1: Texas and Arkansas.
Speaker 4: Touch yep.
Speaker 1: We talk more smack about Texas probably well, not as
Speaker 1: much as a few other states. But so it's okay.
Speaker 4: But the the that's the best thing y'all got going
Speaker 4: is the fact that Texa Arcana combines us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're welcome.
Speaker 2: Texa, Arcana.
Speaker 1: Well we are in Winnebago, Texas at the Raider Radiated
Speaker 1: Ranch podcast studio.
Speaker 3: You've had a hard time saying that, why.
Speaker 2: Is that Radiator Ranch? It's a cast studio.
Speaker 1: A tongue twister for you, yeah, a little bit, a
Speaker 1: little bit, but man, uh, I have been watching Dale Brisbee.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say before you were cool, but before
Speaker 1: you're you were as cool.
Speaker 4: As you are now.
Speaker 1: Okay for real, Okay, uh years ago, like before Netflix,
Speaker 1: I remember seeing this wigged.
Speaker 3: Cowboy hatted like back in the red Box days.
Speaker 1: The lasses wearing cowboy, and I remember just being like,
Speaker 1: I like this guy. And so anyway, so I just
Speaker 1: say that to say I've been I've been watching you
Speaker 1: for a while, and then when your Netflix.
Speaker 2: Series came out, I was really excited for you.
Speaker 1: But tell me about I paused. I thought I thought
Speaker 1: you were about to jump in there though.
Speaker 4: Well, I was just gonna I was just gonna speculate
Speaker 4: on why you liked it so much. Well you could.
Speaker 3: It's called How to Be a Cowboy.
Speaker 4: And so that gave you you were like, oh, finally
Speaker 4: something I could study, Yes, learn how to be a
Speaker 4: cowboy and from the world's greatest bull rider yep, and
Speaker 4: the most humbled Dale Brisbee.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's right.
Speaker 3: So anyhow, what were we gonna ask?
Speaker 1: Well, so did you grow up in Texas?
Speaker 4: Well? Dale, Yeah, I was born in Lubbock, lived in
Speaker 4: Snyder for a minute, moved to Memphis, spent probably ten
Speaker 4: years around College Station area, and then now I live
Speaker 4: here in Winnebago.
Speaker 1: So okay, so everybody everybody knows you as Dale Brisbee,
Speaker 1: which is who you are.
Speaker 2: So who am I talking to right now?
Speaker 4: Am I talking to Dale Brisbee? Dale Brisbee?
Speaker 1: So you you actually went to school and in College Station?
Speaker 3: I mean I lived there?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I went.
Speaker 4: I was spent some time on campus, did you did
Speaker 4: you hanging out with some of the chicks, and then
Speaker 4: the teachers would realize I'm not enrolled and that I
Speaker 4: really just live in a college town in Rodeo. So
Speaker 4: I got rid to go to college.
Speaker 1: Did you go to college?
Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time on that campus.
Speaker 1: Yes, but you didn't.
Speaker 4: You didn't graduate.
Speaker 3: Was I enrolled?
Speaker 4: Maybe not?
Speaker 1: Okay, but I had a lot of good times, A
Speaker 1: lot of good times.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: Now, now this is a great slap to Texas.
Speaker 4: What school is there, Texas A and M baby A
Speaker 4: and M.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah it's Texas AM. Texas A and M in
Speaker 1: the Southeast Conference now SEC SEC.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much to Johnny Football.
Speaker 1: Yeah that helped well. So how long have you lived
Speaker 1: where you live now?
Speaker 3: Ten years?
Speaker 2: Ten years?
Speaker 4: Yep? And uh?
Speaker 1: And you you have legitimate roots in rodeo, yes, like like,
Speaker 1: give me, give me a little give me like a chronology,
Speaker 1: and like what was it like growing up? What do
Speaker 1: your parents do? Give me a little chronology of Dale Brisbee?
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, so my uh, my old man kind of
Speaker 4: did all of it in rodeo. And he would ride bareback.
Speaker 4: He was a bullfighter, pickup man. He rode bulls, he
Speaker 4: rode bronx. He I don't know how much he team roped,
Speaker 4: but I saw him at some jackpots and it seemed
Speaker 4: like he was handy at team roping. I never saw
Speaker 4: him tie cavs, but he knew it, seemed to know
Speaker 4: a lot about it. He was just all things rodeo.
Speaker 4: When he was fourteen, he showed up at a rodeo
Speaker 4: in Lubbock and just went to the d riggingshoot and
Speaker 4: started working for Charlie Thompson se Bart Rodeo and eventually
Speaker 4: started picking up. He might have been younger than that,
Speaker 4: like maybe twelve or thirteen. I think by the time
Speaker 4: he was fourteen he was picking up and uh yeah,
Speaker 4: he just loved he's he is the most passionate man
Speaker 4: about rodeo that I've ever met, and so I feel
Speaker 4: like I'm not too far behind him.
Speaker 3: But regardless, I grew up.
Speaker 4: With a dad that did all of it and he
Speaker 4: did not see it coming. Just how good at bull
Speaker 4: riding I would be and that is just the world's greatest.
Speaker 4: And at nine years old, I actually invented riding bulls
Speaker 4: with one hand, so for that they rode with two hands. Really,
Speaker 4: and I just yeah, it was just a little too
Speaker 4: easy for me, but I got to you came.
Speaker 1: You came by your love and passion for rodeo. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean like family, that's not correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Like I remember, he could drive the truck too,
Speaker 4: so like I just some I loved getting in the
Speaker 4: truck with him, you know, with the trailer load of
Speaker 4: stock and going down the road to a rodeo like
Speaker 4: it to me, that's when I really felt like I
Speaker 4: was living the dream and yeah, I remember mn. I
Speaker 4: don't know why I'm remembering some of these random memories
Speaker 4: I hadn't thought about in a long time. I guess
Speaker 4: just the way I described my dad just now kind
Speaker 4: of taking me back regardless, Yeah, watching him and so
Speaker 4: I did dabble in multiple events, and I really enjoyed
Speaker 4: pretty much anything on the roughstock end. To be honest,
Speaker 4: I kind of looking back, I wished I hadn't because
Speaker 4: it would have made me just a better cowboy. But
Speaker 4: I kind of even shot away from timed event stuff,
Speaker 4: specifically team roping. It's not that I regret not calf roping,
Speaker 4: but I wished I would have team roped a little more,
Speaker 4: been a little more handy with a rope. I guess, well,
Speaker 4: it would have made me at least a better cowboy,
Speaker 4: because I have always appreciated the ranching side of cowboy
Speaker 4: in and it does involve a rope, and so, like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, there's just been times in my life
Speaker 4: where I found myself around team ropers and I probably
Speaker 4: could have taken some really good instruction for him. But
Speaker 4: on the flip side of that, I did focus on
Speaker 4: the end of the arena that I wanted to be on,
Speaker 4: and so that was.
Speaker 1: A russtock yes, russtock side.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So let me back up and explain to the
Speaker 4: viewers the two ends, like, we're kind of segregated in rodeo,
Speaker 4: and it's mainly because of just the way the arena
Speaker 4: is set up. One end is your timed events, which
Speaker 4: is team roping, steer wrestling, calf roping, barrel racing, and
Speaker 4: they go one at a time and they time them.
Speaker 3: It's a race, but you go one at a time.
Speaker 4: And then on the other end of the arena because
Speaker 4: of how much you know the way the stock flow
Speaker 4: at a rodeo, you have your rough stock, which is
Speaker 4: bare back riding, sadur bronk riding, bull riding, and then
Speaker 4: the other two jobs to do down there would be
Speaker 4: bullfighting and a pickup man.
Speaker 3: The bullfighter's job is to distract the bull.
Speaker 4: When the bull rider comes off, and then the pickup
Speaker 4: man's job is to help the bucking horse riders off
Speaker 4: of their animal at the end.
Speaker 3: Of the eight second ride. Five jobs you can do
Speaker 3: down there.
Speaker 4: Three of them are competition, two of them are hired,
Speaker 4: and so that's those five things are what I enjoyed
Speaker 4: doing the most, you know, right around high school and
Speaker 4: then college and thereafter. So that's just where that's where
Speaker 4: my dad spent most of his time. And we talked
Speaker 4: about a little last night. There's there's something about the
Speaker 4: fight with an animal and the fight being like you're
Speaker 4: trying to ride him, he's trying to buck you off. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but there's a certain set of fundamentals in each of
Speaker 4: the events that you have to implement to ride him
Speaker 4: for eight seconds or make it around the bull that's
Speaker 4: trying to hook you as a bullfighter, and all those
Speaker 4: fundamentals are counterintuitive. Your intuition is going to tell you
Speaker 4: in the bull riding that bull is going to come
Speaker 4: up in the front end and his head's going to
Speaker 4: come back, and then he jumps in the air and
Speaker 4: he switches and his friend end hits the ground while
Speaker 4: his back end kicks, and so like if you've never
Speaker 4: been on a ball before, your intuition, as he jumps
Speaker 4: that head's.
Speaker 3: Coming near you, you're gonna want to like lean back, m.
Speaker 4: Well, then it's like a sling shot because his next
Speaker 4: move he's gonna kick, and if you're leaning back, well,
Speaker 4: he just slams you forward and you actually your teeth
Speaker 4: hit hit the top of his head. So as he
Speaker 4: jumps forward, you've got to counterbalance that and jump forward
Speaker 4: with him and literally drive out over the top of
Speaker 4: his head. We call it, to make it simple, going
Speaker 4: to the front, going to the front, But your intuition
Speaker 4: says no, get away from the front.
Speaker 2: So when he goes down, you go to the front.
Speaker 4: So if you if your fear overrides your logic of
Speaker 4: what the fundamentals are, then you're gonna you're gonna get
Speaker 4: bucked off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's essentially that's what I'm trying to explain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so in that moment, I'm not saying nobody has
Speaker 4: fear ever, but same thing in the broncrodon we talked
Speaker 4: about it. You have to lift on your bronchrane and
Speaker 4: keep your shoulders behind your hips. Well, your intuition if
Speaker 4: a horse is a start bucking is you want to
Speaker 4: sit up and you want to pull. Well, that'll get
Speaker 4: you bucked off. So the fundamentals to be successful are counterintuitive. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so you make a decision in the shoot of
Speaker 4: if you let your fear take over, you will not succeed.
Speaker 4: But if you can control your emotions and execute the fundamentals.
Speaker 4: That's how you're successful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such, it's such a it's like a primitive
Speaker 1: that's the fight I'm talking about, the internal fight, Yeah,
Speaker 1: of not being a sissy in that moment. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: what what's so cool about about roughstock riding? Which I've
Speaker 1: observed from afar, but but just a tinge of it
Speaker 1: in riding mules that all that I'll connect is that
Speaker 1: this it's it's such a primitive, simple fear. Like I
Speaker 1: think so many of the fears that people have today
Speaker 1: are are complex and and and not a fear of
Speaker 1: you're about to get slammed into the dirt or kicked,
Speaker 1: which would be kind of like a primitive human fear
Speaker 1: be hurt by an animal, you know, right, But it's
Speaker 1: the same. That's the same fear that people have when
Speaker 1: their finances get out of control or when they're they
Speaker 1: have a child that you know, goes astray. I mean,
Speaker 1: like fear is this is this throbbed inside of a human.
Speaker 1: And I like to look at stuff and think about
Speaker 1: how does you know, like what's the significance of riding
Speaker 1: a bull for eight seconds? Or in my case, for
Speaker 1: what I do a lot in my life. Is like,
Speaker 1: what's the significance of taking an animal in a certain
Speaker 1: way and extrapolating that out into life and finding places
Speaker 1: where you're you're like a better person because you've done
Speaker 1: this thing and you've mastered this internal discipline.
Speaker 2: And that That's what I saw today. So we we
Speaker 2: buck some horses.
Speaker 1: I was in the arena on my mule and Holy
Speaker 1: col and I've seen I've been to rodeos, but something
Speaker 1: about being out there in the arena close, seeing the
Speaker 1: power of those horses and then watching these guys. I
Speaker 1: was watching your interns before they got on, and I
Speaker 1: was quizzing them. I was like, hey, man, are you
Speaker 1: are you kind of nerved up? Are you scared? You know,
Speaker 1: just like question them and they were, you know, they
Speaker 1: gave me several good answers about how they were calming
Speaker 1: their fear. Donnie over here, he was slapping his face
Speaker 1: before he got on that thing. But it's not it's
Speaker 1: not like I mean, I think people could look at
Speaker 1: some stuff like that and think it's just like this macho,
Speaker 1: you know, exercise, But.
Speaker 2: I don't view it like that at all.
Speaker 1: I view it like an internal discipline that I can
Speaker 1: respect that somebody could get on there because it's and
Speaker 1: here's where it ties into mules. I I got into
Speaker 1: mules and ecuon animals as an adult, like I grew
Speaker 1: up and some horses in rural Arkansas, but was never
Speaker 1: we didn't have we didn't have stock. And part of
Speaker 1: the reason I got into it, honestly, was because they
Speaker 1: intimidated me, and I was interested in in. I've always
Speaker 1: been interested in anything that really intimidated me and me
Speaker 1: trying to go.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, touch it.
Speaker 1: And then I just I love mules, wanting them for hunting.
Speaker 1: But man, when I first got into it, every moment
Speaker 1: of every ride, I was thinking what am I going
Speaker 1: to do if something goes wrong? And I got bucked
Speaker 1: off a few and had that feeling of just complete
Speaker 1: loss of control. You know that just scares the fire
Speaker 1: out of you. Nothing like what these boys handled today
Speaker 1: on these bronks. But I see it, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's what's cool about Oh there's about russ stock. There's risk.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a risk before and then if everything
Speaker 1: goes well afterwards, looking back in retrospect, it was an opportunity.
Speaker 1: But but if it goes poorly. Well, then it was a
Speaker 1: risk that you shouldn't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Then it's it's easy to and that's in life too,
Speaker 4: even with finances, you know, like if the business fails,
Speaker 4: you know, you're when you are walking up to something,
Speaker 4: it's a risk. If you succeed at it, looking back,
Speaker 4: it was an opportunity. So there's a moment in there
Speaker 4: whenever you are in the buck and shoot where the
Speaker 4: stakes are high, of you know, with rodeo, like we
Speaker 4: talked about it last night. I've not witnessed anyone anyone's
Speaker 4: life come to an end and in any arena, but
Speaker 4: I know people who have. Now none of them were
Speaker 4: close friends, but like I'm familiar with this bull rider
Speaker 4: that it happened to. And so the seven degrees of
Speaker 4: Kevin Bacon is not seven degrees away for us on
Speaker 4: that front. So when you crawl down in the buck
Speaker 4: and shoot, like any Bronc or bull rider would be
Speaker 4: lying if they would if they said it never cross
Speaker 4: their mind. Yeah, that could be their last ride regardless,
Speaker 4: Like you know, the risks you're taking, the stakes are high,
Speaker 4: and they're not as high for as you know, maybe
Speaker 4: like somebody who's serving in the military, but they're still
Speaker 4: pretty high compared to just your every day I'm going
Speaker 4: to go to the mall and go shopping, and so
Speaker 4: that's what I'm talking about. When you're able to overcome
Speaker 4: the fear of what could happen and then you execute
Speaker 4: these fundamentals at a high level and you succeed, making
Speaker 4: a good bronc cry just kind of encompasses. It's like
Speaker 4: everything good about being a cowboy just floods through your
Speaker 4: veins for the eight seconds during in about thirty minutes after,
Speaker 4: sometimes longer, and it's almost like you get a glimpse
Speaker 4: of like everything that makes being a cowboy cool. It
Speaker 4: just flashes before your eyes during and after that ride
Speaker 4: when it goes well, yeah, man. And so I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's because it is hard to explain to somebody who
Speaker 4: has no idea about the sport, like why would you
Speaker 4: get on this animal? And even for the for the
Speaker 4: first you know, I just wanted to be just like
Speaker 4: my dad. And so for the first, you know, fifty
Speaker 4: or one hundred bronks I got on, I didn't know
Speaker 4: why I was doing it either, but I knew because
Speaker 4: it's scared the crap out of me. Bulls legitimately did
Speaker 4: not scare me really as much like there were times
Speaker 4: maybe certain bulls, but broncs that scared me because they're
Speaker 4: higher off the ground, they're going fast yep, and it's
Speaker 4: just different and so but it just it was deep
Speaker 4: down in me, and I was like, I have to
Speaker 4: conquer this fear that I have.
Speaker 1: When you think a guy like JB. Mooney, does he
Speaker 1: have fear?
Speaker 4: Well, there's times where JB has been on enough and
Speaker 4: he's been down the road enough that I mean he's
Speaker 4: seen it all. He probably has witnessed you know somebody.
Speaker 4: I mean like he's he went to fifteen PBR World finals.
Speaker 4: But what you described where that little feeling inside of
Speaker 4: you like he understands Bushwhacker is the I mean the
Speaker 4: bull bucked him off a dozen times before he wrote
Speaker 4: it the thirteenth.
Speaker 2: We got to give a little bit of context.
Speaker 1: So JB. Mooney is the most winning bull rid of
Speaker 1: all time, good friend of yours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say he's the second.
Speaker 4: Greatest bull rider of all time, right behind myself, right
Speaker 4: right right, Yeah, exactly, the.
Speaker 1: Second greatest Yep. I mean so too, he's in the reference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's pretty good. He seems like he's pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he and our best friends. By the way, well
Speaker 1: I've calculated that.
Speaker 4: On top of there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, somebody like JB, it would it would be
Speaker 1: but yeah, cool to do some type of physical and
Speaker 1: psychoanalysis on him. I have a feeling that he is
Speaker 1: in the same tier of human as like an Alex Honold.
Speaker 1: You know Alex Honold is he's he's the free climber,
Speaker 1: He's the guy that climbs all the stuff. Put him
Speaker 1: in the same creak of nature. Yeah, Alex Hall. I've
Speaker 1: heard people say that that whatever chemical drops into a
Speaker 1: human's body when they should be experiencing fear, I mean,
Speaker 1: fear is the thing that's designed to protect us.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that just maybe I don't know much
Speaker 4: about the guy you're describing, but just like my observation
Speaker 4: of JB, like, I wouldn't say that that he's just
Speaker 4: got completely absent of fear, because, I mean, we've seen it.
Speaker 4: We've ever We've all seen people at least get hurt
Speaker 4: very badly parted out of the arena, and it's happened
Speaker 4: to any if you've ever entered a rodeo, somebody right
Speaker 4: before you has gotten hurt so bad the ambulance had
Speaker 4: to come in and put at least once, and now
Speaker 4: you're about to get on there's you would have to
Speaker 4: be insane, like literally something mentally wrong with you to
Speaker 4: just to to.
Speaker 2: Not send some fear there to.
Speaker 4: Not at least logic think that that could potentially happen
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 3: But that's what courage is.
Speaker 4: It's not just like an absence of the fear, it's
Speaker 4: just how you respond to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean he even said on my podcast he was relieved
Speaker 4: when they retired Bushwhacker, who you know, had been bucked
Speaker 4: off however many in a row.
Speaker 3: So Bushwhacker is a is a bucking bull, was.
Speaker 1: The greatest bucking bull of all time arguably, And JB's
Speaker 1: the only guy that ever wrote him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they say another guy wrote him when he was
Speaker 3: two or three?
Speaker 4: Was it you? I had no cameras on when I
Speaker 4: wrote him. There's a picture in the back of me
Speaker 4: riding him, and I'll show that to you. But regardless, JB.
Speaker 4: So there's a there's a moment in the PVR when
Speaker 4: you do you are able to pick your bull, and
Speaker 4: a lot of guys might pick a ball depending on
Speaker 4: their ability and this like this bull fits me whatever, Well,
Speaker 4: he would always just try to pick the rankers bull
Speaker 4: in the pen.
Speaker 3: And on my part, like he talks about, it's like, well,
Speaker 3: why do you do that?
Speaker 4: He said, because nobody remembers eighty five point bull rides,
Speaker 4: which is an interesting quote because yep, most bull riders
Speaker 4: be like, man, I'd love to have an average score
Speaker 4: of eighty five, but that's not what he's going for. Yeah,
Speaker 4: probably like your man, Alex, like he's not just trying
Speaker 4: to be average, you know, regardless, So he finally he
Speaker 4: picks bushwasher Bushwhacker again and again. He bucks him off
Speaker 4: again and again, which is only reciquential.
Speaker 1: For his career too, because I mean, this man's a
Speaker 1: professional bull rider trying to win money. Yeah, if this
Speaker 1: bull's bent is bucked off twelve of twelve of the
Speaker 1: last rides, it's like not not something he necessarily it
Speaker 1: would have been better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they weren't all right in a row, you know.
Speaker 4: But the point is is like this particular one, yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: the last previous whatever, I can't remember how many times
Speaker 4: you know, his the one out of thirteen, y road,
Speaker 4: it may not have been the thirteenth time he got
Speaker 4: on him. I don't remember that part, but regardless, my
Speaker 4: point is he does finally ride him. He's ninety four
Speaker 4: and a quarter and well, when the time comes for
Speaker 4: them to retire to the bulls, like, dang, were he sad? Like, no,
Speaker 4: I didn't have to keep picking that bastard, you know,
Speaker 4: is what he said. Well, the point is is like
Speaker 4: he understands that, you know, he's glad he finally slayed
Speaker 4: that dragon, but it's a it's a mutual respect that
Speaker 4: he has for the bull. I would say, that's a
Speaker 4: good way to put it. He respects those animals. He
Speaker 4: always knew that they could, you know, cause damage, but
Speaker 4: which to me is even more noble. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 4: somebody who's completely oblivious to what an animal can do.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh man, you may not be brave, you
Speaker 4: just don't understand what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how good is this? H is this new kid
Speaker 1: from Brazil?
Speaker 3: John Krimmer?
Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, yeah, I've seen.
Speaker 4: There's a bunch of them that he was actually born here.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so he spends time, he spends time at JB's.
Speaker 1: John the guy that just won something really big that
Speaker 1: my out of do you know what I'm talking?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, who won the world Jose did?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4: I mean he's world cham Yeah, he's literally the best
Speaker 4: right now. Yeah, he's the best right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got the gold buckle on yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not as big as your buckle th Odell?
Speaker 3: Right, yes, thank you, Hey that argue, I did see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what is that the Boon and.
Speaker 1: Crockett official measure This is the twenty ninth recording period.
Speaker 4: So does that mean that you had the you had
Speaker 4: the biggest measured Boon and Crockett animal, or you were
Speaker 4: actually the measurer like you had the tape.
Speaker 2: I'm the measure mmm.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So that's like in a rodeo, like you're not
Speaker 4: the best bull rider, you're the best exactly.
Speaker 3: It would be like we don't give buckles to the judges.
Speaker 1: This is a good point, But the equation that I
Speaker 1: was trying to bring to your buckle is that they
Speaker 1: don't just give these buckles out.
Speaker 3: To everybody, right, yeah, same as mine or off eBay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Can't find them on craigslist.
Speaker 1: And if you have any big deer antlers or anything
Speaker 1: you like scored, I could do that for you.
Speaker 2: But that's another story.
Speaker 4: Deal.
Speaker 1: No, I'm fascinated by uh. I'm fascinated by by people
Speaker 1: that are the best in the world of anything, well,
Speaker 1: like you and JB. I'm also fascinated by guys that
Speaker 1: have to overcome like they're that what makes them good
Speaker 1: at what they do is overcoming fear, which is not everything.
Speaker 1: Like there's lots of stuff that you could be the
Speaker 1: best in the world and not have to confront this
Speaker 1: like very primitive fear of getting bucked and hurt by
Speaker 1: an animal.
Speaker 2: I think that's cool.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The other thing, when you're talking about like having friends
Speaker 1: getting hurt, like you know, lots of.
Speaker 2: People that have got hurt.
Speaker 1: Uh, and even people that have died, you know, rock
Speaker 1: climbers are like that.
Speaker 2: I'm not a rock climber. I know more about rodeo
Speaker 2: than I do rock climbing.
Speaker 1: And uh, but I was like, these these guys that
Speaker 1: are free climbing and stuff, like they're all in arms
Speaker 1: reach away in relationship to people that have have died,
Speaker 1: and I feel like there's some similarities in this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, you know.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I mean to be honest, the rock
Speaker 4: climbing thing, I would be as confused about when the
Speaker 4: outside are looking in. If I didn't have the context
Speaker 4: I had with Rodeo, then I would just say, like, man,
Speaker 4: that was the dumbest thing ever. But I know that
Speaker 4: they would probably think the same thing about somebody.
Speaker 1: I think there's similarities because I think it's people inside
Speaker 1: of their the context of their world, going to the extremes.
Speaker 1: I mean, like most people when they see a horse,
Speaker 1: they want the gentle one, right, that's the goal of
Speaker 1: training is to get on the gentle one. Rodeo picks
Speaker 1: the extreme. Let's find the rankest horse, the rankest bull,
Speaker 1: get on it and see if we can stay on
Speaker 1: it and vibe. You know, it's the extreme. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: the rock climbing stuff is the same. It's like most
Speaker 1: of the time when people see a sheer rock granite face,
Speaker 1: they're like, we're going to go around that mountain. They're not,
Speaker 1: They're not wanting to go over it. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: some there's some similarities there.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, for sure, there's yeah, And there's all kinds
Speaker 4: of of I mean even just football, you know, like
Speaker 4: for a running back to he's got you know, when
Speaker 4: he sees that seam, he's got to cut through it
Speaker 4: regardless of who's coming from what direction.
Speaker 3: With a wide receiver cutting across.
Speaker 4: The middle of the field, you know, if running a
Speaker 4: slant like he knows, he could get his clock cleaned.
Speaker 4: But there's that might be in that scenario, the route
Speaker 4: for the quickest touchdown. And so there's all kinds of
Speaker 4: professional athletes, typically in sports and that that you know,
Speaker 4: have this impending doom in front of them, but they
Speaker 4: move forward anyway. And and and it happens in life
Speaker 4: as well, you know, like you said, with finances. But
Speaker 4: it's interesting to me, like UFC fighters, like Cowboy, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we brought that up last night.
Speaker 3: Like Cowboy, I think that bull riding probably rock climb.
Speaker 3: I don't know about rock climbing, but I know they were.
Speaker 1: Brought rock climbing up one time on this podcast. Bull riding,
Speaker 1: you get the wrong idea about me.
Speaker 4: Bull riders and UFC or people that want to fight professionally,
Speaker 4: I think are probably very similar in that there's a
Speaker 4: lot of people that like to have ridden a bull.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that like the idea of
Speaker 4: being called a bull rider. Yeah, and what people will
Speaker 4: think of them when they get to tell that story
Speaker 4: or show that picture or show that video.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I think that's probably similar with fighting.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that would like to be
Speaker 4: revered as this bad a fighter, whether it be professionally
Speaker 4: or in the streets or whatever.
Speaker 3: They want to be feared, you know.
Speaker 4: And then you have these people like my buddy cowboy Seroni,
Speaker 4: who I mean, don't get me wrong, he might enjoy
Speaker 4: the fact that someone thinks he's a badass, but more importantly,
Speaker 4: he likes to actually fight. It's less about telling the story,
Speaker 4: which he does very little of, and it's more about
Speaker 4: no the moment to start the fight starts. I mean,
Speaker 4: he put it like if you walked into a gas
Speaker 4: station and there's two people maybe robbing the place, like
Speaker 4: it's literally a nightmare for anyone, But if he walked
Speaker 4: into that, it's a dream come true for him, Like
Speaker 4: if he now had like those are his words, he
Speaker 4: gets to fight two people, and that to him is
Speaker 4: the real fight. Is kind retired at forty eight professional
Speaker 4: bouts in the UFC, but he wants to get to
Speaker 4: a fifty, so he's coming back and he's gonna fight
Speaker 4: more fights forty two now, I think forty two, but
Speaker 4: My point is is, like I asked him, want to
Speaker 4: some people that love it? He loves the actual fight. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's not just somebody who and I would I would
Speaker 4: venture to guess if you're in the UFC, you probably
Speaker 4: love the actual fight. They've probably made it that far.
Speaker 4: Same thing with guys at the NFR. They love the
Speaker 4: actual bull ride. They're not just trying to like get
Speaker 4: a cool picture for the GRAM so that everyone will
Speaker 4: think they're a bull rider.
Speaker 3: But that's that's what that's somebody who makes it.
Speaker 4: That's somebody like your man Alex, who probably made it
Speaker 4: is a really good rock climber. It's like, you love
Speaker 4: the actual thing. You know, no cameras, no audience, no crowd,
Speaker 4: no music. You want to be it's you against the bull,
Speaker 4: it's you against the Bronx.
Speaker 3: Open the gate. I want to try to conquer this.
Speaker 4: And that's that's Dale, and that's Dale, and that's you know, cowboy.
Speaker 4: It's just like, no nobody's watching me, and you go
Speaker 4: outside and we fight right now. You know.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I like about rodeo and hunting that
Speaker 1: I think are similar in all the games of modern
Speaker 1: time that men play for recreation And I'm using the
Speaker 1: term recreation lightly because if you told me that I
Speaker 1: was a recreational hunter, I would be like, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, I don't.
Speaker 2: I think it's deeper than that.
Speaker 1: But let's just say of all the things that people do,
Speaker 1: like rodeo, hunting, mma, whatever, football, sports, golf, Like if
Speaker 1: all those things, I like that rodeo has a functionality
Speaker 1: that's connected to something real.
Speaker 3: Right, like ranching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's clear that rodeo came from
Speaker 1: correct true to boys people around cattle that were we were.
Speaker 1: That's cool because you really can't say that with football
Speaker 1: or baseball, and certainly.
Speaker 3: Not golf, Like why are we doing this? Well, exactly,
Speaker 3: we just kind of came up with it.
Speaker 4: You know golf do you I don't? Okay?
Speaker 1: Well, and then but then hunting is the same way.
Speaker 1: I mean, hunting is even.
Speaker 4: You know, more primitive.
Speaker 1: It's the reason we do function to it like hyper function.
Speaker 1: I mean, like this is something that humans have done
Speaker 1: since the beginning, and we're providing meat for our families, and.
Speaker 4: So it's og way to eat. Absolutely before uber eats,
Speaker 4: there was a bow and arrow.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, or an adelel dart or a
Speaker 2: spear something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, So I've always appreciated that about rodeo is
Speaker 1: that you could you could consciously connect where it came from,
Speaker 1: Like cowboys made up this sport.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, to be able to rope, to be able to.
Speaker 1: Ride a bronc, because you know, broncridin would have started
Speaker 1: with people trying to break horses to ride, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's cool. I like to think
Speaker 1: about the foundations of stuff and where it came from,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean that's I mean I kind of touched on it.
Speaker 4: But like in all my time in a practice pin
Speaker 4: with getting on bulls and broncs while they were practicing
Speaker 4: team rope, and I wish I'd have even paid more
Speaker 4: attention over there because it would have made me a
Speaker 4: better cowboy on the ranch.
Speaker 1: But anyway, do you think do you think that the
Speaker 1: modern surge and popularity of Western culture.
Speaker 3: Is because of me?
Speaker 4: It is because of you? Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you think Taylor Sheridan made Yellowstone because of you?
Speaker 3: Because he was watching my videos? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: I figured he did.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about? I mean, I was in Yellowstone.
Speaker 3: You don't even know that.
Speaker 4: Do you?
Speaker 2: Dang, are you serious?
Speaker 3: Yes? Season five?
Speaker 4: What you do?
Speaker 3: I was ranching?
Speaker 2: Did you have it like a talking part with Rip?
Speaker 2: Did you really miss part?
Speaker 3: But no, I didn't. I didn't have a talking part.
Speaker 1: But where you are?
Speaker 4: You are you?
Speaker 3: I was in it?
Speaker 1: Serious?
Speaker 3: You never know what I'm telling truth to you?
Speaker 2: I cannot tell.
Speaker 4: Look at me, Look at me.
Speaker 1: I'm come about to tell you something. I've killed fourteen
Speaker 1: boone crocket deer with my bow.
Speaker 4: Well you gotta you can't tell.
Speaker 1: You couldn't tell.
Speaker 2: I have only killed thirteen.
Speaker 3: Mmm.
Speaker 1: Why did any of my producers tell me that he
Speaker 1: had been on Yellowstone?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I actually heard a podcast, an old podcast with you
Speaker 1: on it where somebody called it out and said you
Speaker 1: should be on Yellowstone and then it happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the Jimmy goes down to the sixes to ranch
Speaker 4: and I was there.
Speaker 3: My buddy True was the.
Speaker 1: Wagon boss, and this is in the movie.
Speaker 3: I was there.
Speaker 4: Well, they we were actually working that day, and it's
Speaker 4: not like we didn't know the cameras were going to
Speaker 4: be there. But I'm just saying like we were actually
Speaker 4: weaning that pasture of calves, and they didn't just fabricate
Speaker 4: work it was. It was a real thing. And that's
Speaker 4: one thing Taylor was angling for the with the entire
Speaker 4: show was as much authenticity as possible while also maintaining
Speaker 4: the storyline. But regardless, we're there working, and so the
Speaker 4: film crew actually had no idea who I was. Taylor
Speaker 4: didn't know I was gonna be there. I mean, he
Speaker 4: knows that our day worked there sometimes and he owns
Speaker 4: the ranch and he and I have met a few times.
Speaker 4: But regardless, like the people filming, like, they didn't know
Speaker 4: Dale from Adam.
Speaker 3: So I was in it.
Speaker 4: And then later I saw Taylor and he was like, man,
Speaker 4: your fans loved that you were in Yellowstone and we
Speaker 4: were supposed to he said. He was like, we need
Speaker 4: to get you back and have give you a speaking part.
Speaker 4: But then the show kind of wrapped up a few
Speaker 4: seasons later and we just never made it happen. But no,
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of Taylor's and what they do
Speaker 4: with the Sixes, and he you know, are you familiar
Speaker 4: with the Sixes? No, So it's a big ranch here
Speaker 4: in Texas. Okay, they talk about it in the show. Okay,
Speaker 4: probably I would say the most well known ranch in
Speaker 4: the country. It's somewhere between the Force and the King Ranch,
Speaker 4: which you're probably familiar with the King.
Speaker 3: They're they're hunting. They do a lot of hunting down there.
Speaker 4: Uh, and they also you know, it's I think it's
Speaker 4: the largest ranch at least in Texas, maybe the whole country.
Speaker 4: But regardless, the four sixes is well, Taylor bought it
Speaker 4: and that's why it's in the show a lot.
Speaker 1: Okay, but they have they now sell beef straight to
Speaker 1: its interesting Yellowstone beef. I mean four six is beef.
Speaker 1: Four six is beef, which is well, do you do
Speaker 1: you think that? But it was just which first the
Speaker 1: craze in Western culture, and I mean, and I realized
Speaker 1: it's like long been in America.
Speaker 2: This is like an American thing.
Speaker 1: But am I right and saying there's been like a
Speaker 1: surge in the last decade appetite for Western I.
Speaker 4: Think the interest has always been there in like what
Speaker 4: sparked a nostalgia for you, like people the romance of
Speaker 4: like being a cowboy. Yeah, that's I mean, there's there's
Speaker 4: people that lived in the city watching Roy Rogers when
Speaker 4: they were a kid that wanted to be a cowboy.
Speaker 4: You know, like kids dressing up as cowboys for Halloween
Speaker 4: has been happening since Halloween was invented, and so like
Speaker 4: desire for people to be a cowboy has been there
Speaker 4: a long time. Chrystal Duo has a song you just
Speaker 4: can't see him from the road, and essentially what he's
Speaker 4: saying is like, cowboys exist, you just can't see us
Speaker 4: from the road when you're cutting across the country in
Speaker 4: your car to the next city. Well, in my experience,
Speaker 4: the Internet has now shown people what's out here, and
Speaker 4: so whenever they were a production company came to me
Speaker 4: about what kind of show we should make for Netflix.
Speaker 3: I had been making videos for years at.
Speaker 4: The time, and about twenty or thirty times a day
Speaker 4: I would get a message that either said how do
Speaker 4: I get started ranching?
Speaker 3: Or how do I get started rodeoing?
Speaker 4: And that's what my internship program was built on, those
Speaker 4: people that want to learn to rodeo, because I can
Speaker 4: help a guy get started riding bulls or bronks, and
Speaker 4: they're able to work for my apparel company alongside that,
Speaker 4: you know, while they're learning. Regardless, I get these dms
Speaker 4: all the time, how do I get started ranching? Because
Speaker 4: they don't know they're watching the Western movies. They're watching
Speaker 4: all this stuff just before even before Yellowstone. They're interested
Speaker 4: in it, but they don't know how to get started.
Speaker 4: They live in you know, they work on a chicken
Speaker 4: farm in Maryland. And anyways, so I told the production team.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, let's call it how to be
Speaker 4: a Cowboy? How to be a Cowboy, because like we'll
Speaker 4: just teach people because that's the question I get all
Speaker 4: the time. And so that's what our Netflix show was
Speaker 4: based on. With that in mind, Like I would have
Speaker 4: conversations with people because when I first started Rodeo and
Speaker 4: everybody talking about, man, this is a dying sport. This
Speaker 4: is like we got to save the you know, like
Speaker 4: this they're a dying breed, and like I disagree completely. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there is so much interest in our industry. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I see because the moment I got Instagram and Facebook
Speaker 4: and people are able to message me, It's just like
Speaker 4: Rando's from all over the world are just like, man,
Speaker 4: do you take interns from Switzerland? Can I come over
Speaker 4: there from Europe? Can I whatever? Like it's just like
Speaker 4: people South Africa, like all kinds of like there's those
Speaker 4: two are Canadians right there, like all over the world
Speaker 4: people are interested in this genre.
Speaker 2: You've made it so accessible.
Speaker 4: And I think that shows like Yellowstone do they help absolutely,
Speaker 4: But there's a romance and a lure and just a
Speaker 4: nostalgia to what we do out here that people can't deny.
Speaker 4: Like there's just what we did today, Like you gathered
Speaker 4: cows with us, then we buck some horses. Like people
Speaker 4: don't get to do that. Yeah, Like that's not that's
Speaker 4: not a normal thing that a person sees every day.
Speaker 4: Like maybe they saw somebody walk a dog maybe, yeah,
Speaker 4: on their drive to work. Yeah, And uh.
Speaker 3: So I think that the future of our industry is growth.
Speaker 2: So my buddy Steve Ranella, he lives in bos of Montana.
Speaker 4: Never heard of her, and.
Speaker 1: So he he it's like the cowboy it's like the
Speaker 1: cowboy capital of you know, that part of the world.
Speaker 1: And uh and this question revolves around people that really
Speaker 1: aren't cowboys wanting to be cowboys and dressing and acting
Speaker 1: like cowboys. So he he believes that if you wear
Speaker 1: any type of Western booter, you've at least got to
Speaker 1: be live a livestock adjacent lifestyle. And so he kind
Speaker 1: of he kind of like, you know, like today. I
Speaker 1: didn't wear a cowboy hat on purpose when I rode
Speaker 1: with you, because it's like I didn't want to. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be a poser.
Speaker 3: But somehow you still managed to appear as one.
Speaker 1: Well exactly, But I guess I guess. What I'm saying
Speaker 1: is people inside the cowboy industry love it when new
Speaker 1: people come in.
Speaker 4: Is that right for sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean when you see a guy walking down the road.
Speaker 4: Had you warn a cowboy hat today, it would not
Speaker 4: have made me man. Yeah, well I would like that. Now.
Speaker 4: I am the expert on all things cowboy, and that's
Speaker 4: why I've created a guide to whether you is or
Speaker 4: you ain't one, and I call it you ain't no cowboy? Yeah,
Speaker 4: And so like I am, I can't get very specific
Speaker 4: with you know. You know, if you ride a mule,
Speaker 4: you ain't no cowboy.
Speaker 3: If you you know, oh dang, you were on mule
Speaker 3: to day.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, no, that was just you don't realize how
Speaker 1: congruent we are on our doctrine. Like, I'm not a cowboy.
Speaker 1: I'm a mule skinner, okay, And that's the reason I
Speaker 1: wear a I don't think I am either, That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. That's the reason I felt hat like Daniel
Speaker 1: Boone did, like like God fear and men did.
Speaker 4: But seriously though, yeah, I now there is like it
Speaker 4: just depends on the context of a word. Like C. S.
Speaker 3: Lewis talks about the word a gentleman.
Speaker 4: Well, like when the word was first created, it meant that,
Speaker 4: I mean, I can't remember exactly, but it meant that
Speaker 4: you were of a certain age and you you might
Speaker 4: have owned property. And it was like a black and
Speaker 4: white list of like this is what made you a gentleman.
Speaker 4: But eventually the change language, it turned into a compliment
Speaker 4: and they're like, man, he's a gentleman. Well, no, he
Speaker 4: either is or he isn't. It's kind of like are
Speaker 4: you from Texas or are you from Arkansas? It's like
Speaker 4: you either are you aren't it's not. And it's like, man,
Speaker 4: he's a Texan. You see, like how you can use
Speaker 4: the word twice. It's like, are you from Texas or Arkansas? Okay,
Speaker 4: he's the Texan, he's the Arkansawian or whatever y'all call yourselves.
Speaker 3: But regardless, ar Kansas, ar Kansas.
Speaker 4: It's even worse, we say, but Akron, Akron regardless, the
Speaker 4: same thing has happened with the word cowboy, So like,
Speaker 4: I gotcha, you see.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, Like people mean something different probably than people.
Speaker 4: Well, it just depends on what context you're using it.
Speaker 3: Is he a cowboy? Well, I don't know. Is how
Speaker 3: does he make his living?
Speaker 4: Well, he's he's a CPA and he goes to well, okay,
Speaker 4: for sake of conversation, if you're asking what his trade is, No,
Speaker 4: he's not a cowboy. Yeah, but is it ok for
Speaker 4: him to you know, wear a cowboy hat and boots
Speaker 4: and go to the Fort Worth Stockyards on the weekend
Speaker 4: to watch a rodeo? Absolutely? Yea. Is it okay for
Speaker 4: him to want to be a cowboy? Absolutely? Does that
Speaker 4: mean you.
Speaker 3: Know, I just he can if he calls himself a cowboy.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna you know, gotcha tells me this is
Speaker 1: kind of like it just depends on.
Speaker 3: How you use the words.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm not offended if that same person who's a
Speaker 4: CPA in Fort Worth wants to come out here and
Speaker 4: learn to ride a horse, like that's absolutely great.
Speaker 3: It just depends on in what context you're asking the question.
Speaker 1: Like I think I'm hyper sensitive just based on my
Speaker 1: upbringing of being being a phony like hyper sensitive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like to the point that I'll push the push it
Speaker 1: the other way.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to come.
Speaker 1: I don't and I mean I think they would go
Speaker 1: right back to my dad, my upbringing of just trying
Speaker 1: to be who you were, and.
Speaker 4: I've got I've got friends in my head, in my
Speaker 4: head that like are just top hands.
Speaker 3: Okay, well are they more cowboy than me?
Speaker 4: All right? Well, now we're using the word differently than
Speaker 4: just by black and white definition, Yeah, because it's like
Speaker 4: do you make your living with a horse and a
Speaker 4: rope and cows? And then beyond that, like, okay, how
Speaker 4: much of a cowboy are are?
Speaker 3: Are they than this person?
Speaker 4: All right? Well, now it's more of just like the
Speaker 4: way the word gentleman has been turned around.
Speaker 1: I really do need a good straw hat. I've got
Speaker 1: a straw hat. It's old.
Speaker 4: I need.
Speaker 2: I know, it's junior time straw hat.
Speaker 3: It's June in Texas to switch.
Speaker 2: From felt to straw, but it's also it.
Speaker 3: Was sixty seven degrees I had on a vest.
Speaker 4: It's June fourth. That's crazy crazy for Texas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt so do you do much hunting, dew.
Speaker 3: I love to hunt. Yeah, I don't get to do
Speaker 3: as much as I used to.
Speaker 4: Always. I mean, like we just hunt pigs a lot
Speaker 4: down here, Like since I was a kid. We probably
Speaker 4: couldn't go to a party in high school on a weeknight,
Speaker 4: school night, but we could stay out as late as
Speaker 4: we want if we were hunting pigs. I don't know,
Speaker 4: like we would just forget it was got light and
Speaker 4: just sorry, dad, I can't get in until one thirty.
Speaker 4: It's like we're killing but we.
Speaker 3: Got seven pigs or something like that, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: That was in a little bit of deer hunting growing up,
Speaker 4: and then more as I got older. And now every
Speaker 4: year I go on an archery l hunt. Okay, I
Speaker 4: whish I gotta specify archery because if you don't shooting
Speaker 4: elk with a bow, then you ain't no cowboy. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then I'll also go noodling with my ex girlfriend,
Speaker 4: ex Hannah Buron. Yeah, we've worked it out and she
Speaker 4: guides a noodle trip for me every year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Donnie and I.
Speaker 1: Go right right, Okay, what's up. I'm gonna steer away
Speaker 1: from that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of drama.
Speaker 4: Don't worry, it's implicated.
Speaker 2: It's huge drama.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see you where in that well, me and
Speaker 1: her dad are still like muddy water best friends, and
Speaker 1: so you know, don't throw the baby out with the
Speaker 1: bath water, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: I hear you, Man, I actually don't know what that
Speaker 4: saying means. So everybody says it. I don't understand it.
Speaker 4: Understand well, I understand the baby got the bath last
Speaker 4: and now the bath water's dirty, but I just don't
Speaker 4: get the scenario of like how it connects to where
Speaker 4: the anyway.
Speaker 3: But we can move on.
Speaker 1: We'll talk after noodling. I explain country.
Speaker 4: Those are my two main trips. What's up?
Speaker 1: What would be like a top shelf hunt? And let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, do you think that you've had
Speaker 1: have had enough exposure to hunting that you would really
Speaker 1: be able to know exactly what you like to do? Uh?
Speaker 1: It'd kind of be like me being exposed to rodeo
Speaker 1: and saying, Clay, what would you like to do?
Speaker 4: And I'd be like, man, I.
Speaker 1: Guess I'd like the bull ride because that's just seen flashy,
Speaker 1: like elk hunting is like the bull riding of the
Speaker 1: hunting because there's nuance. There's like, for sure squirrel hunting
Speaker 1: on mules. Man, it's like top shelf. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of cool stuff and there's some like
Speaker 1: little bitty kind of little crevices in the hunting space.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like fun Cowboy found ourselves out in Utah between
Speaker 4: two sponsor events and we were just sitting around and
Speaker 4: these guys wanted to go caut and I wound up
Speaker 4: in a pick up with some guys coyte hunting at
Speaker 4: two in the morning, and I'd rather eat glass, Like
Speaker 4: I was so like I wanted to go to like
Speaker 4: I don't care about those coyotes and they're falling and
Speaker 4: I'm like I want to take me a little melotonin
Speaker 4: and go to sleep right now. And so there's certain
Speaker 4: trips where like I guess I do know like yes
Speaker 4: and no, I don't want to do this or that
Speaker 4: kind of how I feel about like helicopter hog hunts,
Speaker 4: Like yeah, depending on who the pilot is, Like there's
Speaker 4: a it's just like I don't know, like if they've
Speaker 4: like fought in war, you're all in. Like I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, I'm I get a helicopter with you, but
Speaker 4: the steaks aren't. It's just like to do what kill
Speaker 4: some hogs? Like, I don't know, let's ride around in
Speaker 4: a canyon plug. But there's also like I probably I
Speaker 4: don't know that i'd go on a rifle elk hunt.
Speaker 4: I don't know that I'd really like to get a
Speaker 4: super nice, uh white tail one day. Yeah, that'd be cool. Ye,
Speaker 4: moose hunts intrigued me, that'd be cool. I would do
Speaker 4: a I would do a white tail or a moose
Speaker 4: with a rifle. Okay, that doesn't bust me.
Speaker 1: Listen, I potentially have access to some incredible moose hunting,
Speaker 1: not every year, about one year out of every maybe five.
Speaker 3: We keep our word around, right Garrett.
Speaker 1: Maybe, so, dude, you need to come with me to
Speaker 1: Alaska on a ridge hunt.
Speaker 4: Oh in Alaska, I was thinking more like a canned hunt. Well,
Speaker 4: do you have like some high fence moose somewhere?
Speaker 2: There's high fence moose in Texas?
Speaker 1: Okay? Good?
Speaker 4: Where are those at all? Over Texas? But oh, I
Speaker 4: bet you're people with hate that I just said that.
Speaker 1: Oh that's like, that's like, what would that be equivalent
Speaker 1: to in the rodeo world?
Speaker 2: A high fence it's it's there somewhere.
Speaker 3: But I don't it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: We could talk about high fence. We could do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm joking.
Speaker 4: I would if I was gonna hunt a moose, I
Speaker 4: would like to go to I'd rather do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't have to do it with me.
Speaker 3: But sidebar, I don't care if it's a high fence.
Speaker 4: Like once you get over so many acres, hunting is
Speaker 4: hunting this summer and then somebody's just trying to like
Speaker 4: control some genetics. More power to them personally, but.
Speaker 2: It's just spoken like a true text.
Speaker 3: Del Brisbee hot take like a true Texan.
Speaker 1: What about Barry? Have you ever thought about bear?
Speaker 4: Maybe? Maybe?
Speaker 3: Yeah, with a knife.
Speaker 1: Whatever man man, Yeah, well cool, that's cool. What uh
Speaker 1: you are? I probably didn't really introduce you that well
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this gonna start over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just x that.
Speaker 2: Let's just do the skin all.
Speaker 3: Right, one more time from the top people.
Speaker 1: Nodll You're. What I've always appreciated about you, I said
Speaker 1: that I've been watching you for a long time, is.
Speaker 2: That you're really good at being.
Speaker 1: Authentic inside of your space, like you're you're you're you're
Speaker 1: real cowboy, but you are.
Speaker 4: You're an incredible.
Speaker 1: Marketer, which that that could be like a slap in
Speaker 1: the face, Like that's like saying you're a good used
Speaker 1: car salesman.
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Now, you're really good.
Speaker 1: This is coming around to be something nice to say
Speaker 1: where we're here we go is that you're incredible.
Speaker 3: About the high fence comment.
Speaker 4: You're incredible about.
Speaker 1: You're good at these catchphrases, all these phrases and things
Speaker 1: that you say.
Speaker 4: It's just put all the shirt balls out of my mouth,
Speaker 4: like I just can't help it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so give me, give us a tour, because they're
Speaker 1: gonna be some people here that you know, have not
Speaker 1: been exposed. Probably very few, but I would say the
Speaker 1: most common one that get is old son. Now, did
Speaker 1: you make that?
Speaker 4: No? You didn't this I did? No, you didn't.
Speaker 1: Hey, it's well just pressing you. Sometimes stuff needs scrutiny.
Speaker 1: I believe you. I just wondered if you actually did Oh,
Speaker 1: old son, old son? Now, I mean, did you not
Speaker 1: hear your grandpa say that or something? Oh daddy said
Speaker 1: it to your dad? Daddy, I'm talking about me. No,
Speaker 1: I'm daddy, Okay, I'm referring myself in the third person.
Speaker 1: I love it. That was the first.
Speaker 4: I mean, I knew that.
Speaker 1: That was so good. You don't believe me, No, No,
Speaker 1: I do, I truly do. Sometimes I tell people this.
Speaker 1: I tell my kids this, I tell my wife this.
Speaker 1: Sometimes my lovely one you call her old son. No,
Speaker 1: I tell them sometimes the truth deserves a high level
Speaker 1: of scrutiny. So that's why I was just like, you
Speaker 1: didn't make that up, and you act you know, and
Speaker 1: I was like, no, you didn't know, you didn't know,
Speaker 1: you didn't. And then when you said you did, I
Speaker 1: could see through those glasses and I knew you can
Speaker 1: tell me the truth.
Speaker 4: Yeahs like when you lean your chair back and you
Speaker 4: don't know you're right to the point where you think
Speaker 4: it might be gonna fall over, but it doesn't. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's me I got you. Is what he's saying a
Speaker 4: joke or is he being serious? Yeah? That's where I
Speaker 4: like to live. Yeah, I like for you to live. Well.
Speaker 1: No, probably the first time I heard you say old son,
Speaker 1: I started saying it like to people like get caught on.
Speaker 3: Like a sea syn desist hasn't showed up at your door.
Speaker 4: It's on its way.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think it's a compliment that
Speaker 1: like seven years ago, I.
Speaker 2: Was saying old son, you know, occasionally.
Speaker 3: Was not surprised.
Speaker 4: Compliment.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so old son. What what would be
Speaker 1: like the ranking order of Dell Brisbee saying.
Speaker 3: Yep, after that, I mean, like rodeo time, it's rodeo time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's rodeo time, rodeo time. Down the road, then
Speaker 4: you ain't no cowboy, okay, just ranching, just like to
Speaker 4: moderate ranching, heavy ranching. Those are just the different levels
Speaker 4: kind of like the the how we were talking about
Speaker 4: Cowboy yep, you know we kind of you know, a
Speaker 4: little emphasis on the ranching. Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are some of the Well there's more.
Speaker 4: Riding bulls and.
Speaker 1: Punching chi bools, right, that's it. Yep, that's what I've
Speaker 1: already ridden my bull today. So watch out. And then
Speaker 1: you say keep it ninety, keeping it ninety, keeping it ninety, yep,
Speaker 1: when would you say keeping it ninety?
Speaker 4: He's a fan. I've forgotten about some of the things.
Speaker 4: I mean, just that's what that's what that's what I do.
Speaker 4: I just keep it ninety.
Speaker 1: I mean, so like, let's Let's say me and you're
Speaker 1: riding down the road, something happened, give me that hypothetical.
Speaker 4: Okay, just like, yeah, how you being Dale?
Speaker 1: Keeping it nine, keeping it ninety, and I would know
Speaker 1: what would I know about you from you saying that
Speaker 1: You'd be like, I'd be like, dang, Dale's been busy,
Speaker 1: you know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dale's been busy being the best.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Okay, so keeping it ninety.
Speaker 1: You ain't no cow boy old son, just bulls punching fools.
Speaker 3: Light to moderate ranching, heavy ranching, Rodeo Time.
Speaker 4: Rodeo Time.
Speaker 2: What's some of the other ones? Guys, there's some people
Speaker 2: out here.
Speaker 1: Your yeah, your mom's favorite bull rider that on a
Speaker 1: T shirt.
Speaker 4: Your mom's favorite bull rider. Yeah, I mean we've got
Speaker 4: all kinds. Yeah, we could walk through out here. I
Speaker 4: could show the audience my parel line. Yeah mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would yeah, yeah, for great.
Speaker 4: For this next twenty minutes, we're gonna walk around with
Speaker 4: these cameras. I'm gonna show you some of my things
Speaker 4: that are available to you on Rodeo time dot com.
Speaker 1: That's right, plug, that's right, that's right. Well, that's cool.
Speaker 1: You got any big trips planned, Like, can you talk
Speaker 1: about any of this stuff that you got coming up?
Speaker 4: Like with uh going to California Friday for a movie.
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna to play an announcer at a
Speaker 4: NASCAR event for real? For real? And what movie?
Speaker 2: Can you talk about it?
Speaker 4: I don't remember. I could talk about it if I remembered.
Speaker 4: But I know that you could talk about it. You
Speaker 4: just don't remember, correct, I know? I know I fly
Speaker 4: out charge. It's it's literally all been set up through
Speaker 4: the d MS. I don't even have the guy's phone number.
Speaker 4: I know his name is Ben something, and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: fly to Sacramento.
Speaker 1: Somebody was just like, hey, Dale, will you come here
Speaker 1: at this time? Give me your credit card number? You
Speaker 1: put you in a movie.
Speaker 3: No, he doesn't need my credit card.
Speaker 1: But he asked you for it. You should not give
Speaker 1: it to him. Okay, this could be a scam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it is. So you're gonna be
Speaker 3: in a movie. He's got the blue check mark.
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, okay, yeah, And then I'll come back here.
Speaker 4: I'll be here for one day. We'll probably film some
Speaker 4: here on Monday. Then Tuesday morning I'll go to Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Sarrony's will do some jiu jitsu with some veterans, and
Speaker 4: then we will Discovery Channel is doing some like a
Speaker 4: show for shooting some guns and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is good. Yeah, they're coming back around so yeah, I.
Speaker 1: New Adminiss some big stuff coming up.
Speaker 4: And then I'll do my trip to go see Hannah
Speaker 4: and we'll do some Nodland.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's in June.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because this you know, around July they'll those catfish
Speaker 4: lay eggs and then come into the boxes to protect them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so July is kind of slow. I got a
Speaker 4: can Am deal in August. But we're filming for my
Speaker 4: YouTube channel all the time. All the time. You know,
Speaker 4: I really don't like taking these trips. I like, do
Speaker 4: you travel a lot too much? But I sometimes like
Speaker 4: opportunities come up, you know, like a movie and Discovery Channel.
Speaker 3: You kind of just gotta go. But I like doing
Speaker 3: what we did today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just ranching Vale.
Speaker 3: Well the ranching side of it. But I like making
Speaker 3: the video.
Speaker 4: I like making Rodeo Time episodes podcasts here in Winnebago.
Speaker 4: That's what I like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's cool, that's cool. Yeah, hunts this fall
Speaker 1: you're going in September elk.
Speaker 4: Hunting to Bear Mountain and Kremlin where that is tright
Speaker 4: south of Steamboat, like stones throw from Steamboat, rabbit ears
Speaker 4: pass and.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't tell me where you're going hunting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean really it's a guided hunt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like that's another thing that people throw rocks
Speaker 4: at where it's just like I don't care, like I don't.
Speaker 3: I am the world's greatest bull rider. I don't have
Speaker 3: time to.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I've been on two elk hunts, so yes,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let somebody guide me on a hunt.
Speaker 1: You know what I just found it a it's not
Speaker 1: a high. I found an equivalent back. I found an
Speaker 1: equivalent to what you just said. Because yeah, in the
Speaker 1: hunting industry, like if I now, I've gone on plenty
Speaker 1: of guided hunts, like a lot of guided hunts. But
Speaker 1: if that's like all I did, it would be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Clay successful because he goes on guided hunts.
Speaker 3: And when you didn't want to realize, people like threw
Speaker 3: rocks at that.
Speaker 1: Listen, I've got a great connection back to your world
Speaker 1: that you're gonna you don't love, So people would throw
Speaker 1: rocks at that because you know, like on the inside,
Speaker 1: like in the inside of hunting, to be able to
Speaker 1: do it yourself, you know, means something, and it means
Speaker 1: you're authentic and you you don't need a guide and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, which I get it, and I would
Speaker 1: prefer not to have a guide, and most of the
Speaker 1: time I don't.
Speaker 2: When Clay Nukeomb puts.
Speaker 1: A ferrier video on his Instagram and I am a
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about trimming my mule feet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for nine years. I had one
Speaker 1: ferrier that came to my house and showed me how
Speaker 1: to do it, and I realized that I was going
Speaker 1: to have to hire this guy every six to eight
Speaker 1: weeks to come and put shoes on my mules.
Speaker 4: You only trim your mules feet every sixty eight weeks.
Speaker 3: That's over a.
Speaker 1: Year to eight, six to eight, six to eight, okay,
Speaker 1: well just say that, okay six to eight weeks. And
Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't gonna work for Clay. So
Speaker 1: I started doing it myself. And my mule's never gone
Speaker 1: lame and I can trim mule feed. I put little
Speaker 1: videos up in Man, there's two groups of people in
Speaker 1: life that are, they're wonderful people.
Speaker 4: Instagram commenters and Facebook Will Graham is positive and Facebook
Speaker 4: will grill your ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well ferriers and beekeepers are the
Speaker 1: most opinionated people in the world.
Speaker 2: But that connects back to your hunting thing.
Speaker 1: But you don't care about what people say about being
Speaker 1: guided what I say to somebody that gives me an
Speaker 1: incredible amount of input about how I'm doing it wrong
Speaker 1: about being a ferrier? Is there like, hey, Clay, you're
Speaker 1: using the wrong hoof tool. You know that you should
Speaker 1: do this, you should do this, And I just don't
Speaker 1: care correct like it just what I do kind of
Speaker 1: works for me. I realize it's unconventional. I realize it's
Speaker 1: probably not the best, but my brain only has enough
Speaker 1: space to be really good at so many things. Trim
Speaker 1: and mule feet is one that I'm like, Man, if
Speaker 1: I can just get by.
Speaker 4: All, probably one thousand percent, that's it. Like I have
Speaker 4: no desire to be so much. I am not Cameron Haynes.
Speaker 4: I have ran with the man and he's who he
Speaker 4: is the reason I l hunt one hundred percent. I
Speaker 4: was a fan of his and then I went up there.
Speaker 4: He gifted me a bow and that's what got me started.
Speaker 4: And then my relationship with Mountainnops a sponsor. They they
Speaker 4: gifted me a hunt and so if it wasn't for
Speaker 4: Cam and Mountainnops, I wouldn't be going on that. Now.
Speaker 4: I love it and I appreciate it. But I am
Speaker 4: a cowboy and a rodeo cowboy. That's what I'm most
Speaker 4: passionate about. And I would and I've heard people throw
Speaker 4: rocks at guys like myself, who yes, I qualify, I
Speaker 4: would technically be an influencer, and.
Speaker 3: Yes I'm gonna go bow hunting.
Speaker 4: And now I take a picture with a bull that
Speaker 4: I got on a guided hunt, and they'd throw rocks
Speaker 4: at it. But like, rewind the tape. I just said
Speaker 4: I was okay with something with a CPA out of
Speaker 4: Fort Worth coming here to ride horses and put on
Speaker 4: a cowboy hat, like it's good for the industry. You
Speaker 4: know who cares, Like just get off of everybody's back,
Speaker 4: and it's like, let somebody just experience it. It's kind
Speaker 4: of how I feel about the High Fends conversation too.
Speaker 4: But regardless, whatever my point is, I just think that,
Speaker 4: like what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Speaker 3: And I didn't even realize like that was the thing, but.
Speaker 4: I get the mystique of it, and does is that
Speaker 4: CPA as good a hand as my best friend Dusty Berson,
Speaker 4: who manages the Four Sixes.
Speaker 3: No, he's not.
Speaker 4: And the only disrespect would probably come in, or not
Speaker 4: even disrespect, but just the only annoyance I would have
Speaker 4: is if the CPA acted like he was a better
Speaker 4: cowboy then my friends exactly.
Speaker 3: But you know, then it's just like, oh, you're oblivious.
Speaker 3: Same thing with me. I'm not going to act like bet.
Speaker 1: And you never seen nobody, nobody ever said that.
Speaker 3: But then I would be the deal brisbee.
Speaker 2: That's the exact same thing when.
Speaker 4: That would be the joke, and that's why you should
Speaker 4: laugh at it. But that's not I mean, anybody who
Speaker 4: would act I don't know. It's just pretty should be
Speaker 4: common sense to me.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's why when I dabble into the equine world,
Speaker 1: which I'm not an expert, that's I get quite a
Speaker 1: bit of fire from it. And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who are like, oh, that's so cool, man, but uh,
Speaker 1: it's that's all just it's.
Speaker 4: People's pride man, and they're passionate about this one thing.
Speaker 4: And yeah there it's just like, hey, you know, you
Speaker 4: stay in your I don't know, just be happy for people. Yeah,
Speaker 4: be happy for people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Some people are just like just
Speaker 1: completely bitter and poor souls.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's people's pride. Are you a believer?
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: We haven't really talked about faith, but I've gotten that
Speaker 4: sense about you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like but like a like a Christian believer in the
Speaker 4: Christian like the Bible.
Speaker 2: Christ I actually don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever said this on on my
Speaker 1: podcast before, but I'm actually the I've been the associate
Speaker 1: elder at our church for twenty years.
Speaker 4: What Baptists.
Speaker 2: No, we're a non denominational church.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, But but Bible believing, okay, Christian like.
Speaker 3: The Holy Bible, the one with sixty six books in it.
Speaker 3: That one okay, cool with me too, that one gotcha?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, So it's a massive part of my life.
Speaker 4: All right. Good. Yeah. We almost talked about it last
Speaker 4: night and I was like, oh, I think he might
Speaker 4: be My Christian radar was going off.
Speaker 3: Anyways, it was going off regardless.
Speaker 4: Good. I think I don't know how that connects to
Speaker 4: the comments people make on social media, but.
Speaker 1: Some of them are good, well meaning, Like I just
Speaker 1: put up a fair deal just a few days ago.
Speaker 1: I was just trimming my mules hoofs and just put
Speaker 1: it up and somebody wrote me a very detailed comment
Speaker 1: about everything, and he was nice. I mean, the guy
Speaker 1: genuinely was trying to help me. He was like, he
Speaker 1: was kind of like, hey, Clay, you're kind of looking
Speaker 1: like a goober. Let me help you not be a goober.
Speaker 1: And it was meaningful what he said, but I kind
Speaker 1: of I don't. I was just kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: I kind of just do what I do and it
Speaker 1: works for me. I'm kind of okay with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's it's on the other hand too,
Speaker 3: It's just.
Speaker 4: Like at this point twenty twenty five, we can't really
Speaker 4: put out con tent and just be completely surprised. Yeah,
Speaker 4: someone does that, you know what I mean, somebody's gonna
Speaker 4: comment like that. So uh yeah, it's two sides to
Speaker 4: the coin, you know. Okay.
Speaker 1: I feel like, well I got you here in front
Speaker 1: of the table. We've got to dissect a little bit
Speaker 1: of about what what happened. Today with me on the
Speaker 1: meal while you were picking up. Oh yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to bury the lead a little bit, if you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Wink the wink. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: situation that led to me having a little bit of
Speaker 1: a limp today.
Speaker 3: Um yeah, so you were we were picking up and tell.
Speaker 2: People what that means. I don't think people know.
Speaker 4: So bucking horse rider rides his bron or bucks off. Regardless,
Speaker 4: two pick up men in the arena that are on
Speaker 4: gentle horses need to ride in alongside this bucking horse
Speaker 4: and either help that rider get off of the horse
Speaker 4: or we need to take the flank off of him,
Speaker 4: because that's what he's kicking at.
Speaker 3: Typically, it's not making.
Speaker 1: Him bucks got like a belt or belt around it exactly.
Speaker 4: It doesn't go around there. It doesn't go around there
Speaker 4: jelly beans. All the horses today were either mares or geldings.
Speaker 4: None of them even have jelly beans, So it'd have
Speaker 4: been impossible for us to tide around there like people
Speaker 4: think in the boor riding. It's just not the case.
Speaker 4: Regardless that flank gives them something to kick at, It
Speaker 4: just it makes the way in which they buck more consistent,
Speaker 4: which means that it's going to be safer for them
Speaker 4: and the rider if they but they're animals that want
Speaker 4: to buck. We can't make them buck. They have to
Speaker 4: want to. But it doesn't cause pain regardless whatever. That's
Speaker 4: what that's the flank strap. Yeah, so the responsibility of
Speaker 4: the pickup man is to help the rider get off
Speaker 4: safely and then take that flank off in the arena.
Speaker 3: So you for for you being on a mule number one,
Speaker 3: we don't know how she's gonna take it.
Speaker 4: Number two. You know, you've never done this before, so
Speaker 4: horse and rider. Mule and rider are both pretty inexperienced.
Speaker 4: So I wasn't going to ask you to help the
Speaker 4: rider get off. I didn't know how she would take
Speaker 4: an other, you know, riding double jumping horse on her.
Speaker 4: My goal was to help you get the flank off.
Speaker 4: And so the last horse, which is kind of the
Speaker 4: more sweetheart pup of the group, I wanted you to
Speaker 4: come in alongside, and I was like, the only thing
Speaker 4: is you can't end up behind them. They'll kick you.
Speaker 4: And you said, this horse, his name is the Baptist.
Speaker 4: The Baptist his given name was hang him High from
Speaker 4: Pete Carr. He went to the NFR back in like
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, long time ago. He's an old horse.
Speaker 3: And regardless he uh.
Speaker 4: You said kick me in the head, and I said no,
Speaker 4: and I put my hand in the middle of your
Speaker 4: thigh and I put anywhere from here down is probably
Speaker 4: because this horse doesn't kick that high. And so I
Speaker 4: got the horse, grabbed a hold of him, and he's
Speaker 4: kind of turning in a circle, and we come riders.
Speaker 4: The rider's been the rider.
Speaker 3: The riders off the horse.
Speaker 4: I was essentially wanting you to come in alongside that
Speaker 4: horse and trip that flank.
Speaker 1: So lean off of my mule and grab the latch
Speaker 1: of the belt basically yeah, and flip this belt off.
Speaker 4: And uh, it was a little too much, too fast,
Speaker 4: And I thought you might have been able to heed
Speaker 4: my instruction a little better than you did. And anyhow,
Speaker 4: this horse kicked you. The bucking horse kicked you.
Speaker 1: Did you see it?
Speaker 4: I heard it, yeah, And I felt like I thought
Speaker 4: it was just mainly kicked kind of your saddle and
Speaker 4: your saddle blanket. Yeah, didn't kick very hard for compared
Speaker 4: to how hard they're able to kick, but got the
Speaker 4: meaty part of your calf, thankfully.
Speaker 3: And not your shin bone. Yeah, yeah, and you doesn't
Speaker 3: mean does it hurt?
Speaker 1: Now, I took I took a couple of the leaves.
Speaker 1: I really think that helped. Yeah, but it does it
Speaker 1: does hurt? Yeah, but no, it was It was so
Speaker 1: funny because I was I was gonna. I had been
Speaker 1: following you guys around on my mule, Betty Bay and
Speaker 1: and kind of just just being there while two of
Speaker 1: y'all were picking up you know, and so I had
Speaker 1: done that, I guess three times already. And so Betty
Speaker 1: was pretty used to that. Okay, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: bucking horse come out of that shoot act crazy, We're
Speaker 1: going to go towards it. And she she did great
Speaker 1: at that. But when you told me to get the
Speaker 1: flank strap off of that horse, that meant you got
Speaker 1: to get in super close to this horse that's been bucking,
Speaker 1: that's been wild, but you told me don't get behind it.
Speaker 1: But what is difficult about it is that he was
Speaker 1: turning you. It's not like the horse has stopped and
Speaker 1: you got to ride into the side of it. I
Speaker 1: mean you're spinning circles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was kind of he was kind of turning
Speaker 3: in a circle.
Speaker 1: You're spinning circles. And so I come up close and I'm,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm probably four feet but right from the rump
Speaker 1: of the mule and I and you know, I'm in
Speaker 1: a tricky situation, and so do I and I spur
Speaker 1: old Betty.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm like, dang, we got to get up.
Speaker 1: And she she proceeded to move at my queue. But
Speaker 1: that but the angle, I was like, it was like
Speaker 1: a race car going along the outer track and and
Speaker 1: the guy on the inner lane is turning and I
Speaker 1: couldn't get in front of him quick enough and I mean,
Speaker 1: just what just she just she just let out a
Speaker 1: sideways kick, probably about half throttle. But it I mean,
Speaker 1: if you've never been kicked by a horse or mule,
Speaker 1: it's a unique feeling.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I immediately and she didn't, you know, hit
Speaker 1: me just right in the side of the calf and
Speaker 1: h For about a split second, I thought I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be bad, hurt, Like you know, you just think and
Speaker 1: and there's that adrenaline that floods you and you think
Speaker 1: I'm shielding.
Speaker 2: Really what's about? You know, That's what was going through
Speaker 2: my mind.
Speaker 1: I was like, crap, I'm gonna be But it ended
Speaker 1: up just being a big old Yeah.
Speaker 4: You never know, like sometimes like you can get kicked
Speaker 4: like that and you think it's the end of the world.
Speaker 4: For sure, it's broke, this, that and the other, and
Speaker 4: then it ends up being the next morning you can't
Speaker 4: even feel it. And then sometimes the opposite is true,
Speaker 4: like right, you don't even realize how bad hurt it is,
Speaker 4: and two days later you're like, something ain't right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but that's it's crazy in the arena, like it's it's
Speaker 4: one or the other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I truly think it's it's okay, but it
Speaker 1: was my fault.
Speaker 2: You told me exactly what not to do and I
Speaker 2: did that.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean it's your first time. It's hard
Speaker 4: that mules kind of looking out for herself. She doesn't,
Speaker 4: you know, she's a little nervous to it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: her first time. I mean with work, I'm sure she
Speaker 4: would get good at it and realized that like she
Speaker 4: could do it, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but well it was it was it was so
Speaker 2: much fun.
Speaker 3: Gathering the cows and working the gate.
Speaker 4: You did great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that and that that was a lot of fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it went well, it went for sure.
Speaker 4: Man, I don't know if if I don't know.
Speaker 1: If we can if we can shift this this far
Speaker 1: of a turn. Uh and get kind of serious. If
Speaker 1: you're willing to talk to me about it.
Speaker 3: We'll see about your dad. Oh yeah, no, I don't
Speaker 3: mind talking about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we kind of started talking about it earlier.
Speaker 4: He definitely isn't going to object.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I somebody.
Speaker 4: Because he's dead.
Speaker 1: I guess we are comfortable with this, all right, roll
Speaker 1: the tap boys. I was comfortable with talking about his dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What's he gonna do about it?
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, no, no, I have been a
Speaker 1: partaker of Dell Brisbee content, but it was just recently
Speaker 1: that I heard the story of your dad. Yes, sir
Speaker 1: passing away in the arena? Yeah, and uh will you
Speaker 1: will you tell me that story?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So we were uh Helotis every year is the
Speaker 4: first weekend in May, and uh, you usually switched to
Speaker 4: a straw about that time, and we would always stop
Speaker 4: in at Catalina Hatters and Brian and get a new
Speaker 4: straw hat and on our way to he Lotis and
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of telling the story now, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to plug this random hat store.
Speaker 4: But they we then we'd go to Lotus and just
Speaker 4: every every spring it is just and either riding or
Speaker 4: working there, one of the two. Like I've ridden all
Speaker 4: three events there. I fought bulls there and my dad
Speaker 4: would always pick up there.
Speaker 3: And so i'd go with him and we'd always go.
Speaker 4: And my aunt and uncle lived in Bulverdi, not far
Speaker 4: and but I had that year I was fighting bulls
Speaker 4: for Sammy Andrews and.
Speaker 3: So I had like ten of his rodeos that year.
Speaker 4: Well, one of them was an Amy rodeo in Paris,
Speaker 4: and so Wednesday before both of our rodeos got started
Speaker 4: on Thursday, and he was talking about just picking up
Speaker 4: and like how you know it doesn't really pay a
Speaker 4: lot and and you know he could probably make more,
Speaker 4: he'd be money ahead if he stayed at the house.
Speaker 4: And we were just back and forth, and he, uh,
Speaker 4: he made a comment something like staying at that and
Speaker 4: I said, well, I'd never ask you to quit. And
Speaker 4: I shook his hand and I can I can feel
Speaker 4: his hand in my hand right now.
Speaker 3: You know, better than I can see his face.
Speaker 4: And I was driving a little bitty car and he
Speaker 4: was loading up his you know pick up horses. That
Speaker 4: one right there was one of them, and it was
Speaker 4: it's out at the house still and yeah, so it
Speaker 4: kind of helped said goodbye to each other, each going
Speaker 4: to our rodeos. And I shook his.
Speaker 3: Hand and I drove down the road. I was going
Speaker 3: to stop and see my brother.
Speaker 4: He was building a saddle at a saddle maker's house,
Speaker 4: like fifteen miles away. But when I left there, it
Speaker 4: was the hardest I'd ever cried up until that point.
Speaker 4: When I left there, I just knew it was me
Speaker 4: the last time I saw my dad.
Speaker 2: I heard you say that, how do you How did
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 4: I don't know, to be honest, like I think God,
Speaker 4: Like just years before, I just felt like I'm going
Speaker 4: to lose my dad early. But it was never as
Speaker 4: strong as it was on May one of twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4: And I thank God for that, because the year leading
Speaker 4: up to it, I would record him sometimes like I
Speaker 4: would just I took notes when he talked about cows,
Speaker 4: like I just I soaked up every moment I could.
Speaker 4: He had a really genuine I believed I was going
Speaker 4: to lose my dad early, and I acted on it,
Speaker 4: and it's share that with him. No, I'm sure he
Speaker 4: saw me. He definitely recognized me acting on it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: But I'd always been close to my dad anyway. I
Speaker 4: was never one of a son to just say that,
Speaker 4: I mean, like to think that his parent didn't know anything.
Speaker 3: My dad knew he was. He was a brilliant man,
Speaker 3: and I treated him like that.
Speaker 1: And that's my advice to young people is to just
Speaker 1: even if they maybe don't know that.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's just no point in treating him like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I wanted to be around him.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be It's it's interesting you talking about
Speaker 1: the relationship with your father, because I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't.
Speaker 4: Have great relationships with them.
Speaker 1: Either there's a massive conflict or there's there's an absence
Speaker 1: just to kind of an absence of relationship, and the
Speaker 1: you know, the spectrum is all the way in between,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's really interesting to me to hear
Speaker 1: you say that you you suspected this, because I mean,
Speaker 1: I think God does that kind of stuff for us
Speaker 1: all the time, if we're paying attention.
Speaker 3: I think so too.
Speaker 4: I've tried to replicate it with all types of relationships
Speaker 4: I have. There's it's crazy, like I I genuinely often
Speaker 4: treat it's not every day all the time, but like
Speaker 4: it's like family members and like some certain people, it's
Speaker 4: just like I will talk to them as if it
Speaker 4: is going to be the last conversation I have, you know,
Speaker 4: and eventually it will be.
Speaker 1: And that's real to you because.
Speaker 4: Of because it haven't. And I don't know why, but
Speaker 4: I'm thankful for it though that God did.
Speaker 3: But so I don't know. I just that's the hardest.
Speaker 3: I crying And.
Speaker 4: What were you?
Speaker 1: What were I can't leave the spot? What were you
Speaker 1: thinking about when you cried that day him dying?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did you think it was gonna happen that day?
Speaker 4: I didn't know?
Speaker 1: You just it just it just like overwhelmed me.
Speaker 4: I had I had shook my dad's hand and felt
Speaker 4: that and maybe even I can't remember a specific instance,
Speaker 4: but cried before like I had thought I had kind
Speaker 4: of had. That was the strongest it was ever it
Speaker 4: had ever been, undeniably like I would remember crying this hard. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I got to that spot where my brother was
Speaker 4: and I had to sit in the car because I
Speaker 4: didn't want to be embarrassed because my face was just
Speaker 4: beat red. Wow. Wow, it was just that over.
Speaker 1: What did let me ask you this? What did what
Speaker 1: did you do with that? With that feeling? I mean,
Speaker 1: did you did you pray?
Speaker 4: Did you?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: Looking back, I wished I had gotten the pick up
Speaker 4: with him and gone to the rodeo and told Sammy,
Speaker 4: I can't make it to Paris. You know, there's no
Speaker 4: part of me that would like no show a gig
Speaker 4: where I told somebody i'd be there. Bullfighter, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: But I mean today when I in the in the
Speaker 4: instances where I've gotten close to feeling that I will
Speaker 4: cancel a trip, and I have like you know that,
Speaker 4: like since there's been times where like I'll change, I
Speaker 4: don't know, like it's I don't know, like I'm going
Speaker 4: to change the future. Whatever. It's weird. I know it's
Speaker 4: not it's not normal. I'm not trying to be whatever.
Speaker 4: I do know some of this stuff I haven't ever
Speaker 4: even said out loud, But regardless, I know what I
Speaker 4: felt that day, and damned if. Twenty four hours later,
Speaker 4: I'm standing in the arena at Paris, Texas, putting a
Speaker 4: neck rope on a horse. And somebody asked me about
Speaker 4: Jacobs Crawley, who's one of my best friends. He's a
Speaker 4: bron rider and he was in Helotis with my dad.
Speaker 4: Uh Like, we'd been roommates in college. We would practice together,
Speaker 4: went to some rodeos together. And so this judge in Paris,
Speaker 4: Texas is asking me like.
Speaker 3: How's the how's jacobsen Stertling doing. I was like, well,
Speaker 3: this and that, and I had my phone in my pocket.
Speaker 4: I got face paint on my baggies because I'm gonna
Speaker 4: fight this rodeo.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, there's the redhead.
Speaker 4: Now let's see what he's you know, got, you know,
Speaker 4: because I knew that guy's horses, so I thought maybe
Speaker 4: he was calling to ask got a horse. And he
Speaker 4: was like, dude, your dad is on the ground. And
Speaker 4: so they had just started their rodeo, the baar back riding,
Speaker 4: and he's the pickup man and he picks this guy
Speaker 4: up and then just like goes down with him. Apparently wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so but he had his hat pulled down, you know,
Speaker 3: like this, and.
Speaker 4: Uh he he so he's he's wearing it and it
Speaker 4: hits the ground and anyways, I have the hat and
Speaker 4: it's got a mud stain on it. So when we
Speaker 4: recreated that picture, same horse, same saddle, same hat, that's
Speaker 4: what that's anyway, That's that's when Drew painted that for me.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so yeah, he called me and and so
Speaker 4: like I just look over at Sammy and I said,
Speaker 4: I gotta go, and I walk out the Auto eight
Speaker 4: and drive down to San Antonio.
Speaker 2: How far was that?
Speaker 3: Probably five hours? Six hours made y'all.
Speaker 2: Were long ways apart? Yeah, I mean, and it was a.
Speaker 4: Heart attack, correct, Yeah, yeah, Doc says he was dead
Speaker 4: before he hit the ground, but you know, they work
Speaker 4: on him and uh, Cindy Motcomber rides in the ambulance
Speaker 4: with him to the hospital. But then, I don't know why.
Speaker 4: My dad had said he wanted to. He's like, man,
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm supposed to do something great, and
Speaker 4: uh anyway, uh so he said that like a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks before, and he had said it one other
Speaker 4: time and I was just like, yeah, I don't I
Speaker 4: don't know what it is. And he was like, I
Speaker 4: don't know what it is either. I don't know the
Speaker 4: fuck I'm supposed to do something.
Speaker 1: He said that to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like like casually, like he wasn't trying to
Speaker 4: be anything.
Speaker 3: He was just like, I don't know because he was
Speaker 3: managing this ranch.
Speaker 4: Nol And Gas Company owned it, and it was like
Speaker 4: the easiest job he had ever had. Rewind seven years later,
Speaker 4: like seven years earlier, my mom had left. He my
Speaker 4: mom had left, and he just was like, anybody is
Speaker 4: just like gonna move on, yeah, Texas, Like if you
Speaker 4: get if you don't show up sign the divorce papers,
Speaker 4: you're still divorced.
Speaker 3: Well like he didn't sign them anyways.
Speaker 4: Whatever. Two years goes by and he's just like what
Speaker 4: God brought together, Let no man separate, and he just
Speaker 4: like sits and he fasts and he prays. And I
Speaker 4: just watched this man have faith that his wife is
Speaker 4: going to come back when there's just no wipe. Why
Speaker 4: would she come back? Like nobody ever, his parents, everybody,
Speaker 4: it's like, you got to move on, you know.
Speaker 3: His kids didn't tell him that, but he doesn't. And
Speaker 3: two years doesn't seem like a long time.
Speaker 4: But when it's a year and eleven months in and
Speaker 4: you don't know it's going to be two years, it
Speaker 4: feels like a long ass time. You know, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: dang if she didn't come back, and you know they
Speaker 4: always come back, turns out, but most of the time, wow.
Speaker 4: And he was just there waiting and uh, that's honorable.
Speaker 4: So the last seven years of his life is the
Speaker 4: best seven years of his marriage. He's got this awesome
Speaker 4: job managing this ranch, this oil and gas company owns
Speaker 4: and they don't even care about the ranch. They show
Speaker 4: up once a month, and he's just he had had
Speaker 4: MS and so he had this which it was it
Speaker 4: went into remission. And so these seven years, his son's
Speaker 4: working for him like we buck horses once a week
Speaker 4: on the It's just it was heaven for seven years.
Speaker 4: And he was starting to get a little comfortable. But
Speaker 4: he was like, I got her. I feel like I'm
Speaker 4: meant to accomplish something great. And that was ringing in
Speaker 4: my head on this drive to San Antonio, and I'm
Speaker 4: just like in denial that he died. I was like, no,
Speaker 4: this is going to be some story where like they
Speaker 4: revive him at the hospital, you know, so they're trying
Speaker 4: to they tell you that he had a heart attack. No,
Speaker 4: they told me I had a heart attack. And then
Speaker 4: like on the drive, my aunt calls me and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he and I was like, no, this is there's something
Speaker 4: because he said even though the day before, U's the
Speaker 4: hardest I'd ever cried, you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 4: I've just got this. I knew it was gonna happen,
Speaker 4: but I didn't believe it happened.
Speaker 1: Ye And.
Speaker 4: Well, anyways, he did actually die, turns out, and so
Speaker 4: I was just kind of left, like I knew it
Speaker 4: was gonna happen, but like, what was that feeling where
Speaker 4: he said he was supposed to come for something great?
Speaker 4: And I think looking back now it's been you know,
Speaker 4: eleven years, twelve years, twelve years and a month that
Speaker 4: he's died. I run into guys that knew him like
Speaker 4: before I was born. I run into guys that he taught,
Speaker 4: you know, how to ride or whatever, and it's just
Speaker 4: like this legacy that he left behind. He had already
Speaker 4: done the great thing there was just now God blessed
Speaker 4: him with this death. His exit at fifty five as
Speaker 4: a you know, rodeo cowboy, and everybody's like, well, he
Speaker 4: died doing what he loved, and that's true, you know,
Speaker 4: but it's almost like he had he lived this life,
Speaker 4: and I'm not trying to make something better than it was.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to misremember something. I just think he
Speaker 3: was a great man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and God put this like he's like, all right,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take you before you mess it up. And
Speaker 4: the impact that it's had, I think there were a
Speaker 4: lot of people didn't really realize how great of a
Speaker 4: man he was.
Speaker 3: It was simple.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we were talking about Zeke Thurston earlier.
Speaker 4: It's just like he's not super flashy whatever, but you
Speaker 4: look up at the end of the year and he's
Speaker 4: won the world. Like where did he come from? Like, oh,
Speaker 4: he just rides great every time. Yeah, And that's kind
Speaker 4: of like my dad was just like he just did
Speaker 4: the right thing, you know.
Speaker 1: And it was like Tiger Wood says, same boring strokes
Speaker 1: every day. And he raised his family. He never he
Speaker 1: didn't drink. He was a man of God.
Speaker 4: Times came like he just leaned on God and his
Speaker 4: faith and he brought his family back together. And and
Speaker 4: then at fifty five he died. And it was this
Speaker 4: cherry on top that I don't know, it was hearing
Speaker 4: people and he had used the word butterfly effect before
Speaker 4: you know, the ripple effect, and his ripple effect after
Speaker 4: he died was just crazy and it just keeps going.
Speaker 4: And so the great thing is that the legacy that
Speaker 4: kind of the Lord used after he died. Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I don't know, that's kind of.
Speaker 4: And it. But you're part of that.
Speaker 1: You're you're you're a part of that great thing that
Speaker 1: he left.
Speaker 2: I mean, I say that in all seriousness.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like, what what you I mean that that
Speaker 1: that is the essence and the beauty of botherhood is
Speaker 1: that you get to you get to pass something on
Speaker 1: to your children, and I mean in such a tangible
Speaker 1: and real way.
Speaker 2: He passed so much to you.
Speaker 1: And I mean the rodeo stuff and riding bulls and
Speaker 1: the pure passion that you have for it that he
Speaker 1: had I deeply respect. But what I deeply respect more
Speaker 1: about you that I've seen confirmed with my own eyes
Speaker 1: since i've I've only been here twenty four hours but
Speaker 1: been around you a little bit. The fact that you're
Speaker 1: in the midst of a of a pretty corrosive environment
Speaker 1: at times. I know, the rodeo world can be pretty corrosive.
Speaker 1: And you don't drink, you don't you're like, you're very
Speaker 1: family orient oriented.
Speaker 4: Like who you are is.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm most impressed with about you, and I
Speaker 1: know that's directly connected to him. I mean that with
Speaker 1: all seriousness. I said this, and again, I want I
Speaker 1: want you to connect this to your dad, because it's
Speaker 1: not many people probably have the same pendulum. And I
Speaker 1: realized your father died, so it gave you this ability
Speaker 1: to scrutinize and evaluate, probably differently than those of us
Speaker 1: that have living fathers. I think there's something about a
Speaker 1: dad dying that makes you really scrutinize the relationship. But uh,
Speaker 1: but to end on a compliment to Dale, you, I
Speaker 1: knew that you were a legitimate, solid human by the
Speaker 1: way that I have witnessed you, even in your content,
Speaker 1: which is comedy generally, by the way that your interns
Speaker 1: treated and respected you, and the way I saw you
Speaker 1: treat and respect them.
Speaker 2: I was like, I think that's a good guy. I
Speaker 2: think he's got a good value system.
Speaker 1: And and you're probably I mean behind the shades, behind
Speaker 1: the cowboy hat and the wig, ridiculous wig, you're you're
Speaker 1: you're like a solid human.
Speaker 2: That's my assessment.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that it does mean a lot, you know,
Speaker 4: anything good to me, I think the Lord instilled through
Speaker 4: my dad. You know, we got a pretty common saying
Speaker 4: around here is don't meet your heroes, you.
Speaker 1: Know, because yeah, so you know, I think I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things about me that are you know,
Speaker 1: you'd be underwhelmed with.
Speaker 4: But I do. I do appreciate you, my hero. Now,
Speaker 4: I don't know you said it with your kind of
Speaker 4: we're hitting around man, but uh, but no, I think
Speaker 4: that I've been blessed with the great team here. You know,
Speaker 4: I was blessed with Like I said, I I'm really
Speaker 4: not trying to just like beef up.
Speaker 3: I would have said all this when he was alive.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing that I just I I
Speaker 1: was a fan of the man, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and when he passed, I had zero regrets.
Speaker 4: Like there's one or two comments where he and I
Speaker 4: got because we worked together, and there's like one or
Speaker 4: two times I can think of where we got mad
Speaker 4: at each other where I probably said like something minor
Speaker 4: out of line. But I was such a fan of
Speaker 4: his and I wanted more time with him, you know,
Speaker 4: all the time, And so I had zero regrets when
Speaker 4: he passed, and they took him to the hospital, took
Speaker 4: him to the mortuary, and then we went and picked
Speaker 4: him up. My brother and I and nobody else ever
Speaker 4: took possession of him. It was just like a lonesome
Speaker 4: dove thing. We just wanted to be the one. And
Speaker 4: so we drove him to the funeral home. We drove
Speaker 4: him to the church. Then we drove him and we
Speaker 4: buried him. We lowered him, We threw the dirt end
Speaker 4: and uh, but we had the funeral. We did the
Speaker 4: grave side here, funerals in love it grap side here.
Speaker 4: And so it was a couple a day or two
Speaker 4: later and then I get home and I'm sorting stuff out,
Speaker 4: And it was like eight days after my dad died
Speaker 4: that I realized, dang, it hasn't even crossed my mind
Speaker 4: where he might be right now. It was as sure
Speaker 4: to me as gravity, Like I ain't got to acknowledge
Speaker 4: that when I knocked this off, it's gonna fall, Like
Speaker 4: you just know that you don't have to. Oh, gravity
Speaker 4: is what I think of, you know, Like there was
Speaker 4: no It was as sure as I am of gravity.
Speaker 4: That's where like I just knew that was a fundamental
Speaker 4: truth for me, and that was maybe the biggest assurance
Speaker 4: I had about moving forward in life without him, was
Speaker 4: that he left me with this faith, you know, that
Speaker 4: I was able to take with me, and that was
Speaker 4: maybe one of the more grateful things I was. I
Speaker 4: was I was most grateful for with my dad.
Speaker 1: Man, thanks for sharing that. Yeah, yeah, you bet for real,
Speaker 1: super super interesting.
Speaker 3: Long story.
Speaker 4: It's weird. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've told it like, it's not weird, but it's just different.
Speaker 4: I've told it maybe five times and it's just like,
Speaker 4: depending on where I start, it just hits me different. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, thank you so much for having us to
Speaker 1: the ranch. Thank you for for for hosting me today.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And uh, at some point, at some point on the
Speaker 1: on the Meat Eat your web YouTube channel, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to see me and old Dale.
Speaker 3: Out ranching ranching and then Clay getting kicked.
Speaker 1: You'll get to watch it.
Speaker 4: We got it filmed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: If you get kicked by a horse and nobody's there
Speaker 1: to film it, I don't think it's the coolest.
Speaker 3: And these days it helping happened. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, thank you Dale, and uh anything else
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to say, Keep the wild places wild because that's.
Speaker 4: Where the Bears live.
Speaker 1: Owned the next one to the next one, old son