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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in, Doug Goliban. This is all ball, all basketball,

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Speaker 1: all the time. We got two great guests for you

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Speaker 1: up coming. David Nurse is he's actually the nephew of

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Speaker 1: Nick Nurse, but he's also a a mental coach, mental

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Speaker 1: confidence coach, if you will, for the NBA. I think

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Speaker 1: it does a great job of thing. He's brilliant. Plus,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the brilliance of Kawhi Leonard, who,

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Speaker 1: by my estimation best player in the NBA and my

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Speaker 1: brother Greg twenty five years and assistant college basketball recruem

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Speaker 1: he was it. He left Sandy State, went to cal

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Speaker 1: tried to get him at Coal. They didn't offer m a

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Speaker 1: a scholars should he goes to Sandy State. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the beginnings of of Kawhi Leonard's ascension to this remarkable,

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Speaker 1: remarkable career. Let me give you a couple of quick

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Speaker 1: thoughts on what we've seen so far. Um I still

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Speaker 1: contend that James Harden. I don't know if it's conditioning

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Speaker 1: or if he just naturally doesn't have the wind. But

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Speaker 1: have you guys seen this that where he shot from

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Speaker 1: three in in fourth quarters and overtimes the playoffs, the

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Speaker 1: last five years, and if you look, he did have

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Speaker 1: the big block shot against lou Dort, but that was

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Speaker 1: after struggling, by his own accounts, struggling massively on offense.

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Speaker 1: So you have to start to ask yourself, is he

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Speaker 1: is it because in the postseason he plays defense in

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Speaker 1: the regular season he doesn't. Is it because of how

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Speaker 1: what difficult is to score in the postseason? Or is

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Speaker 1: he just not taking care of himself? Whatever it is

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Speaker 1: the condition things are factory. Then you go to Russell Lestbrook,

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Speaker 1: who played really well in Game seven, competed, scored, kind

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Speaker 1: of kept the Rockets in the game up until late,

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Speaker 1: but then miss three straight layups. And it's not like

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Speaker 1: they were dead layouts, wide open lamps, but they're contested

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Speaker 1: finishes that an m v P should make. Um I'm

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Speaker 1: I was impressed that Oklahoma City was even in that game,

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Speaker 1: even in that series, considering their lack of shooting, considering

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Speaker 1: their youth. Obviously disappointed, Steven Adams doesn't even look at

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Speaker 1: the basket when he'd be open for a little slip.

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Speaker 1: The entire second avenue never seemingly did. I would have

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Speaker 1: had Chris Paul take the ball in bound, just because

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Speaker 1: he's the best passer, and I feel like Shay Gilt

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Speaker 1: just Alexander. As much as I love him, I have

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Speaker 1: some concerns about long term his ability to be a superstar,

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Speaker 1: right like a superstar lead guard in transition two on ones,

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Speaker 1: three on ones, three on two's that should be a

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Speaker 1: layup or wide open shot every time. It's not. He

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Speaker 1: just he's an average passer. And when you're an average

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Speaker 1: pastor that's eventually gonna be a dominant ball handing guy

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Speaker 1: that does that does limit you, It does limit you.

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Speaker 1: Let me get to Steve Nash. It's a surprise that

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Speaker 1: he's a head coach. I'm not gonna sit here and

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Speaker 1: deny that. I I didn't know Steve Nash wanted to

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Speaker 1: be a head coach. I didn't know that Brooklyn was

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Speaker 1: considering him. But the idea that he got the job

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Speaker 1: because of white privilege, that's what Stephen A. Smith said,

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Speaker 1: is the most laughably obtuse comment I've heard in a

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Speaker 1: long time. And I've heard a lot of laughably obtuse comments.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that black coaches shouldn't get a chance,

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Speaker 1: and many of them have have succeeded, and um, but

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Speaker 1: but I'll tell you this, Where were the calls um

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Speaker 1: about guys getting jobs they quote unquote didn't deserve. When

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Speaker 1: for more black players, Doc Rivers got the Orlando Magic job,

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Speaker 1: you go to Derek Fisher, Mark Jackson, Isaiah Thomas, did

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Speaker 1: Jason Kidd got the next job. Nobody's like, hey, he's

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Speaker 1: never coached the job and he got He got the

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Speaker 1: job over a white guy, Like, no, he was replacing,

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Speaker 1: wasn't he replacing? P JA Carlos More and p J

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Speaker 1: Colos actually replaced him and did a damn good job.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I just we we can't do we

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Speaker 1: having to play a part. Race doesn't play a part here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we all know what's to play. He's got

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Speaker 1: a relationship with Sean Marks. He's a superstar player, He's

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Speaker 1: coach Kevin coach Kevin Durant before. He's really well respected,

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Speaker 1: in terms of nationality. He's been around the game. And

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Speaker 1: There isn't anybody that you respect more than a two

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Speaker 1: know how to do. For example, Jack Vaughan, who has

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Speaker 1: go to Kansas because he was in Kansas. Because he

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Speaker 1: was a California guy pass first point guard, whatever. But

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Speaker 1: He knows the guys, he knows the culture, like he's

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Speaker 1: a tip of the cap to what they've been doing.

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Speaker 1: But but if Jack Vaughan really had the respect and

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Speaker 1: I know they won without those guys, but just them

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Speaker 1: honestly don't understand any backlash because Steve Nash is white

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Speaker 1: other than the time in which we're overreacting and use

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Speaker 1: we can't do this. We can't make every story about race. Look,

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Speaker 1: we don't of these of the police brutality incidents. First,

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Speaker 1: police brutality. But I don't know. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: actually say it has to be racial injustice. It has

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Speaker 1: Sant Marks just played in the NBA, but a general

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Speaker 1: San Antonio Spurst, like, do you That's not how people

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Speaker 1: like that? Just that doesn't occur anymore. And if you're

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Speaker 1: You're allowed to be. But were you bothered when Mark

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Speaker 1: Will you bother when Derek Fisher got the next job?

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Speaker 1: Were you bother when Steve Kerr got the Warrior Show?

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Speaker 1: Are you bothering these guys? There is a parallel. Look.

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Speaker 1: If you want to feel bad for Jack fawn you can.

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Speaker 1: You can. Jack Fawns a grinder as a player, just

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Speaker 1: with stars. That's just the way it works with stars,

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Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with race. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's welcome in our first guest of the day. Of course,

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Speaker 1: his uncle is Nick Nurse. He's a mental coach for several,

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Speaker 1: I mean a good amount of gaggle of players in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. He's David Nurse. Be sure to catch the

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Speaker 1: live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at

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Speaker 1: And David, how would you How would you describe what

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Speaker 1: that's a real thing. I'm they were looking at this

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Speaker 1: go back in the gym and were starting close and

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Speaker 1: really look at I asked him a lot of self

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Speaker 1: assessment questions. I think it's really powerful when when players

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Speaker 1: can express what they're feeling and asking them instead of

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Speaker 1: just telling them what to do, figuring out what's going

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Speaker 1: through their mind and that way. That way it also

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Speaker 1: puts the I mean more of the presidents on themselves,

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Speaker 1: to the ownership on themselves. But I would ask him, hey,

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Speaker 1: why did you, I mean, why did you? Why do

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Speaker 1: you feel like you missed those shots? What was going on?

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Speaker 1: Like what do you think was the issue? Not in

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Speaker 1: a negative way, but just just asking them and reflecting

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Speaker 1: on it, And he'd probably be like, well, I'm not

439
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Speaker 1: I'm not ready for that. I just couldn't make um.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't It wasn't a good game. I had a slump.

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Speaker 1: And like a lot of times when players will say

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Speaker 1: slumps because every everybody grows up thinking that like failure

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Speaker 1: is a negative thing or slumps or a negative thing.

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Speaker 1: So I'll ask the player, no matter what aids every

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Speaker 1: time that I started working with them, hey when was

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Speaker 1: the last time you're in a shooting slump? And they'll

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Speaker 1: tell you and then you'll see their body language is

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Speaker 1: kind of falling, like you know, a couple of games

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Speaker 1: ago for your son saying he's the hairballing shots. You're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just just couldn't make it as horrible, and you

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Speaker 1: see the body languages crumbling in And then I'll ask him, hey,

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Speaker 1: when was the last time you were in a shooting hippopotamus?

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Speaker 1: And the look at me like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: But I I use this crazy type of word just

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Speaker 1: to show that a slump is just a word that

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Speaker 1: we've grown up in society to feel like it means

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Speaker 1: something negative, to give our give our subconscience that negative feeling,

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Speaker 1: when in reality we can pivot. That type of word

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to mean that. So I would talk to

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Speaker 1: him about that, and then I go through a lot

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Speaker 1: of where he was the most confident. I have him

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Speaker 1: really like tell me the exact game details, like the fans,

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Speaker 1: the smells that he had his teammates of when he

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Speaker 1: had his best game he's ever had, and having continually

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Speaker 1: to recreate that. And then I just go I go

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Speaker 1: back into practice on the court and just give him

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Speaker 1: one thing to work on, really big on, just just

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Speaker 1: just focusing on one thing like maybe his That's where

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Speaker 1: maybe his answer was, Hey, my my guide hand was

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Speaker 1: really pushing the ball, and that's what we'd work on.

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Speaker 1: We focus on that, so we give him a lot

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Speaker 1: of confidence through the preparation of specific focus development that

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Speaker 1: he needed. And it's funny you use that example two

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Speaker 1: because domus the bonus as a player that I've been

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Speaker 1: working with and we're developing his three point shot and

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Speaker 1: he shoots a flat ball. So whenever he's shooting the

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Speaker 1: flat ball, like, we'll go back, we'll talk about it, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is the one thing you need to do is

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Speaker 1: get your elbow to your eyebrow, get get the arc

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Speaker 1: up and it's going to go in. So he gets this,

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Speaker 1: he gets a lot of confidence knowing that it's only

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Speaker 1: one adjustment of from being a great shooter. That's that's amazing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I it, it's fascinating, you know, I um, I'm

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Speaker 1: friends with uh Matt Holiday. Matt was a seven time

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Speaker 1: All Star, UM, four time Silver Slugger, And I mean,

486
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Speaker 1: you know, if if you take steroid guys out of baseball,

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Speaker 1: he was not obviously not a steroio game. You take

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Speaker 1: tara guys out of baseball. His numbers are that of

489
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame caliber numbers. And he told me, like

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Speaker 1: a long time ago. He's like, look, the biggest thing

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Speaker 1: that I learned from Scott Borres's agent was like, process

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Speaker 1: over a result, and it's become his whole thing. And

493
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Speaker 1: in baseball it's about, you know, how's your timing mechanism?

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Speaker 1: Are you seeing the baseball? Are you working too hitters counts?

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Speaker 1: You know, and because you can't control you know, you

496
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Speaker 1: can't control where the baseball goes. You know, they're they're

497
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Speaker 1: just they're they're good luck and bad luck. But you

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Speaker 1: have to be you fail so much in baseball you

499
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Speaker 1: have to go process over a result. And well you

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Speaker 1: try that with kids, right, Like, right, it's I don't

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Speaker 1: care if you miss a shot. Was it a good shot?

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Speaker 1: Was there a better was there a great shot that

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Speaker 1: was available? Did we have to take that shot? Did

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Speaker 1: we run offense? Did we is it what we want? Right? Like?

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Speaker 1: Did you do all of these things that you're supposed

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Speaker 1: to do? And then if the ball goes in, the

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Speaker 1: ball doesn't go in? And by the way, did you

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Speaker 1: work on your did you work on your shooting? Did

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Speaker 1: you take however many shots per day every day so

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Speaker 1: that when you got that opportunity, you made it. If

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Speaker 1: you did all of that your process is right, the

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Speaker 1: results will in fact follow. Man. I love that, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's so true and so real and it's it's

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Speaker 1: also difficult though for people to think, like, okay, process

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Speaker 1: over results. Like it sounds great, it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: a word that's saying is kind of like a word

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Speaker 1: like culture, like every NBA team throws around we want

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Speaker 1: to have great culture. But yeah, show me what that means.

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Speaker 1: Give me some tools, give me some actual house like

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Speaker 1: the why, the purpose, the Simon Senex. He talks about

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Speaker 1: that a lot, like that's great, but I need some

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Speaker 1: tools and actionable ways to be able to implement this.

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Speaker 1: And and through focusing on the process over the results,

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Speaker 1: like you're saying, like what I do is we we

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Speaker 1: never with my players. I never look at shooting percentage.

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Speaker 1: We never look at points per game. We only look

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Speaker 1: at the rate of where they got to their best shots.

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Speaker 1: If they got to their highest level shots, that's a

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Speaker 1: win and that's what they're tracking. And over time, that's

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Speaker 1: when shots continue to go in and in more and

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Speaker 1: more and more. But not focusing on the end result,

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Speaker 1: but literally having having tracking systems, tracking mechanisms, and it's

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Speaker 1: really important. I mean for for anybody in life, like

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Speaker 1: let's say you're trying to get in better safe like

535
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Speaker 1: you have to track your weight, you have to track

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Speaker 1: things and see this progress happening. So even for kids,

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Speaker 1: it's really important that they can see these results and

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Speaker 1: understand that, hey, what are you saying is actually working

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Speaker 1: because I am improving in this process. Um. Okay, Uh,

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Speaker 1: last thing, um, just in terms of your in terms

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Speaker 1: of your basketball thoughts, Um, your uncle's team down two

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Speaker 1: games to one, and you know, I like you put out,

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Speaker 1: it's really hard to know what the mentality of the

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Speaker 1: Celtics uh is going into Game four? What do you

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Speaker 1: think about the series? I think, man, I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit biased with Nick, but I think

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Speaker 1: he's he's such a great coach that he's he just

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Speaker 1: figures these type of situations out. I mean, the same

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Speaker 1: thing happened last year with Milwaukee, and now he's really

550
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Speaker 1: gonna ride this momentum of guys, we got new life,

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Speaker 1: this is our new chance, and they're gonna be really

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Speaker 1: really InChI So, I honestly think that Raptors are gonna win.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna win in seven. And it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm good friends with Brad too, and I

555
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Speaker 1: know Brad's a great coach with a great game plan

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Speaker 1: as well. So it's it's literally gonna be like the

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Speaker 1: ultimate chess game. And but yeah, I'm going, I'm going

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Speaker 1: raptors and seven. You know it's interesting. Um, I think

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Speaker 1: I thought one thing. Two things happened on that last play. UM,

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Speaker 1: that defy conventional wisdom. And I am a big defying

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Speaker 1: conventional wisdom guy. Right, how many how many times have

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Speaker 1: you heard you can't have a point guard take the

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Speaker 1: ball in bounds? Is a big guy in the ball

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Speaker 1: right now? You can't now look part of the bubble,

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Speaker 1: which I um, and this is Kyle Owry's basketball intelligence

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Speaker 1: is there's no fans behind you, so you can back

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Speaker 1: up as much as you want, right, so you have

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Speaker 1: you have more space than you do in an NBA arena. Um.

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Speaker 1: But but I you know that pass would not have

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Speaker 1: been on time, on target if anyone I believe other

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Speaker 1: than why would you have somebody who passing isn't what

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Speaker 1: they do best take the ball in bounds? Additionally, it

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Speaker 1: it goes that kind of defies the whole logic of

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Speaker 1: having a big guy on the ball Um, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think those two things. You don't always have to have

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Speaker 1: a big guy in the ball, like especially point five

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Speaker 1: seconds to go, point five seconds to go, you can

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Speaker 1: play five on four on defense instead, make that fifth

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Speaker 1: guy a superactive guy. But what happens is coaches have

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Speaker 1: a tendency to you what everybody else does because that's

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Speaker 1: what everybody else does, and challenging that and congratulations to Nick,

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Speaker 1: but like, funk that, let's let's put let's put Kyle,

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Speaker 1: Let's have Kyle take it in. Um, you know, like

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Speaker 1: look that I don't know if Steven Adams would have

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Speaker 1: gotten taken a layup or read the play, but I

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Speaker 1: do think that if Chris Paul would have taken the

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Speaker 1: ball and bound the night before instead of Shay Alexander,

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Speaker 1: who is a point guard but not really a very

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Speaker 1: good passer. Um, you know, his his limit. He was

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Speaker 1: running the play. That was what he was doing. He

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Speaker 1: was he was like that that young kid in high school.

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Speaker 1: It's like comes in like, what's the play, coach, We're

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Speaker 1: running the play. That's what we're doing. Yeah, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know what. I got a lot of points on

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Speaker 1: that too, And and you're super right, like absolutely have

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Speaker 1: your best pass or taking it out. It's like having

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, like why would you put your running back

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Speaker 1: in there to take to take the ball out of bounds.

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Speaker 1: But to your point on Nick, like that's why he's

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Speaker 1: so good. He doesn't do what everybody else does. Like

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Speaker 1: he played a triangle in two in the in the

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Speaker 1: finals last year. It was like, oh, that's crazy. It one,

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Speaker 1: Like he's going to he studies with the Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: like all these different Like one of his big things

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Speaker 1: was taking the best player out of the games. That's

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Speaker 1: why you've seen the Lakers really struggle against the Raptors

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Speaker 1: because they're so Lebron based. But he just absolutely doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter what. He'll triple team the guy to take him

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Speaker 1: out of the game because that is the head of

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Speaker 1: the snake. So he doesn't care what conventional wisdom says.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny too because I see that and I

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Speaker 1: get so excited because it's O G hitting that and

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Speaker 1: he's one of my guys that worked a lot with

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Speaker 1: And the amount of reps that he's put in shooting

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Speaker 1: quick catch and shoot corner three's like we've shot thousands

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Speaker 1: on thousands and thousands of them. I mean, maybe not

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Speaker 1: at that kind of like just get it up there

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Speaker 1: like a hoppcito. But it's it's it's all that preparation

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Speaker 1: that's unseen work that he has put in. The dude

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Speaker 1: puts in a ton of work to be able to

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Speaker 1: get to that opportunity to have the chance to hit

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Speaker 1: the game winner. It's a great point. Hey, listen, man,

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Speaker 1: obviously you do great work. We really appreciate you coming on,

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Speaker 1: and you like me. We love hoop and love Hoopers

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Speaker 1: and love that you're helping Hooper's hoop. So thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining me. Absolutely, Hey, let's get your eleven year old

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Speaker 1: in the gym, Let's get his confidence back. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. I'll tell you where we play when

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Speaker 1: we work out, and you come work with him. I'm on,

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Speaker 1: I'm on. Thanks for joining me. Be sure to catch

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Speaker 1: the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at

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Speaker 1: three pm Easter noon Pacific. All right, let's welcome into

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Speaker 1: my brother Greg Gottlieb, long time twenty five year college

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Speaker 1: basketball assistant and um, the one that got away right.

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Speaker 1: That's like what what coaches have a tendency to sit

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Speaker 1: around and talk about and I was. I was watching

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Speaker 1: Kauai last night, and I don't know if you saw

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Speaker 1: this on mid range jump shots in the playoffs, Grant

639
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: in the bubble, he's shooting from the floor. It's he's

640
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: he's so good. He plays both ends. He's become a

641
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: very good ball handler, passer. And I wanted to bring

642
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: you because you did recruit him, you were a fan.

643
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: You actually I remember you text him, he saying like,

644
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Speaker 1: how could kawailan or not be McDonald's all American when

645
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: he's the Gatorade, the California Gatorade State Player of the Year.

646
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Speaker 1: First time you saw Kauai, do you remember when it

647
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 1: was yep, I do. Uh. He was a junior UM

648
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: and he was they were playing in the sports arena, UH,

649
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: and I believe the CF semi finals are finals, UM,

650
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: and they're playing against the Mangus High School, which at

651
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: that time to Vengus was a powerhouse, and Jordan Hamilton's

652
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: was really the the premier player UH coming up, and

653
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: so I was recruiting both Jordan's and Kauai, and UH.

654
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: For the first three quarters, Kauai just did an incredible

655
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: job defensively on Jordan Hamilton's who was at the time

656
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: and exceptional offensive talent. Um Domengus just pulled ahead at

657
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: the end. I think Coln ran out of gas. But

658
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: he was exceptional and really at the defensive end more

659
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: than at the offensive end at the time. But but

660
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: always uh had athleticism, ability to attack the basket. Um,

661
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't a great shooter at that time,

662
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: but he was a guy who could score going downhill.

663
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's I always I've always thought like

664
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Speaker 1: what you possess and what guys who have done what

665
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: you what you do possess is something that I think

666
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: it's a great skill, which is the ability to watch

667
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old, seventeen year old kid or maybe

668
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: sometimes in fifteen year old kid and project what he

669
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: would look like in a college basketball game, not just

670
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: in terms of your offense, what his body looks like.

671
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: Maybe I can see look some of it's guessing. I

672
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: would assume, right, you look at the guy's hands. Is

673
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: he's still gonna grow? You see the parents, You know

674
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: how mature is he? Is he gonna put on weight?

675
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: Is he not gonna put on weight? But it's you

676
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: know what you're doing is you're projecting um in watching

677
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: Jordan's and Kauai and I agree. You know, Jordan Hamiltons

678
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: went to Texas and played and um, obviously his brothers

679
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: one play to Yukon, one played at U C l A.

680
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: But when when you watched them at that particular time,

681
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: you remember, did you think Kauai would be a better

682
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: player than Jordan Hamilton's. Now, um, you know, I think

683
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: the big thing, to be honest, Jordan's still super talented player.

684
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: I would imagine he's still playing right now. If he's not,

685
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: he may be playing overseas if he's not in the NBA.

686
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: But but you know, he's a little bit of the

687
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: victim of his own success. You know, because he had

688
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: so much success, people tell him how great he was

689
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: a little bit and maybe allowed him to develop some

690
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: habits that that actually held him back a little bit. Um,

691
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: I know he struggled a little bit of Texas. But

692
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: you know, Kaua I didn't have all that. You know,

693
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: he didn't have those accolades. You know, he was a talent,

694
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: but maybe hidden talent at the time. And you know

695
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: we can say he was under recruited. There's other things

696
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: that the circumstances that go into some of those decisions

697
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: that people made at that time. People were getting commitments early,

698
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: uh in the Pact of and UH really packed ten

699
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: at the time, so people were taking kids, you know,

700
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: going into their junior year. They were trying to get commitments,

701
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: and so sometimes you know, you made mistakes. But so

702
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: some people stopped recruiting those positions because they are he

703
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: had a commitment for a kid, and he just kept

704
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: getting better, you know. And and again he didn't he

705
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: didn't have the fanfare, But I think what he really

706
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: had was the worn't ethic to go with the ability.

707
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: The thing that he had probably the most, that stood

708
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: out the most was his ability to rebound the ball.

709
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: That that that probably would made him such a consistent

710
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: player though you know, I mean that that try that

711
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: always seems to translate every level you go up if

712
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: you're a good rebounder. And he was a guy who

713
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: gets you ten twelve rebounds in every game. And I

714
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: think he just had a note to the ball. I

715
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: think he's fearless, he's tough, and he plays hard. It's interesting,

716
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: right because I know that some coaches looked at him

717
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: in like six five six six, like he can rebound

718
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: high school, But you can't rebound in college because at

719
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: the time that was when big guys are big guys,

720
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: and he was though he played inside, he was the

721
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: he was the size size of a wing. How hard

722
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: is it to figure out the translation of rebounding and

723
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: a size and high school versus in college. I still

724
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: think guys that rebound doesn't matter what wet position they are,

725
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: you know, guards, even they are really good reboundings, they're

726
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: gonna find they just have a knack and a feel

727
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: for where the ball is coming off of it. But

728
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: also they're they're anticipating. It's just kind of built into

729
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: what they do. So I always don't rebounding is probably

730
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: the number one skill and that and you know that

731
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: it didn't surprise me at San Diego State at the

732
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: time recruited him because I had, you know, just recently

733
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: left there And that was a big thing for us

734
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: when I was at San Diego State. If you were

735
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: you had to be a guy that could get double

736
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: friger rebounds in the game. And so we weren't always

737
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: a great shooting team, but we could make up for

738
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: it by getting extra possessions on the glass things like that.

739
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: I thought that was something that that, like I said that,

740
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: he was really good at you know that The thing

741
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: that always is interesting, you know, initially when you're when

742
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: you're out recruiting and you're and you know, you have

743
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: kind of a system that you're recruiting to. Let's a

744
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: and uh you know, you know, all right, well we

745
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: need a four man or we need to we need

746
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: a five and they we wanted to look like this

747
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: size that size. And then but in the end of

748
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: the day, you know, once you get your team together,

749
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna play the guys that give you the best

750
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: chance to win, and so you make some adjustments. And

751
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: it's funny is that he was kind of that tweeterer, right.

752
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: He wasn't truly a wing at that point in his

753
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: career and development, but so he was kind of on

754
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: the bubble of being a three and four as you see.

755
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: But you know, when you're on the other side defending

756
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: those guys too, you're like, who do we who do

757
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: we have the garden? He's too big for a for

758
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: a wing, and and and he's too quick for a

759
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: big guy, you know, and so I want you to

760
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: we don't have one of those guys. You're like, why

761
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: don't we have one of those guys. Yeah, it's it's

762
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: what's fascinating. As you mentioned standing State where you had coached,

763
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: like he checked so many boxes of what San Diego

764
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: State has feasted on, right, like a little a little

765
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: bit unrecruited either Riverside or Sacramento, Like those are kind

766
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: of two spots where you guys I thought did a

767
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: l l A as well, but Riverside scument two spots

768
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: where you guys did a really good job. They've continue

769
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: to do a really good job of of recruiting right

770
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: tweeners and guys that maybe what they lack on offense

771
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: they make up for in in work ethic and defense

772
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: and rebounding. Right like he he he felt like a

773
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: it feels like you're describing a San Diego State player. Um.

774
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: The other side to it, though, is that like, look,

775
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure they knew they were getting a really good player,

776
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: terrific player, and I know that you badly wanted to

777
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: take him at cal um. But do you think in

778
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: any way they knew he would be this? No and no,

779
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: And people don't realize too even at San Diego State.

780
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: Pay one of the things that really helped was they

781
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: signed his best friend at the time, kid that he

782
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: didn't make grades. I don't think so I'm not going there,

783
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: but I can't remember his name. A little guard, really quick, um,

784
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: good player who just didn't have He was kind of

785
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, on the bubble academically and didn't make it.

786
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: But that was another factor in them getting involved with him.

787
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't know that they ever truly do it.

788
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: You never totally know who's going to be that guy

789
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: that emerges. Sometimes the kid that you think is going

790
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: to be, you know, in your recruiting class. You think

791
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: this one particular kid might turn out to be really

792
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: really good in it, and uh as it turns out

793
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: it's someone else that maybe you didn't project a little bit.

794
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: But obviously, like we said, I mean, he has he

795
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: has physical ability. He had broad shoulders, got long arms.

796
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: Obviously everyone talks about his hand size, so you know

797
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: he had he had a frame that could fill out

798
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: as well. But I think you know, every you're trying

799
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: to investigate really when you're recruiting, like you know, how

800
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: strong is their desire and their will to get better?

801
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: And I think, um, that's really what separated Kauai. You know,

802
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: I mean it really it's just no different than you know,

803
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: Kobe Lebron, Michael Jordan. You know some of these guys

804
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: that really it's not so much that they're that much

805
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: better of an athlete, that's just their will to prepare,

806
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: what that what motivates them to want to you know,

807
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: to play is so different. You know, some of these

808
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: guys their whole goal is to make it to the

809
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: NBA or to get a big contract, and then they

810
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: take their foot off the gas and you know, they change.

811
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: And the big question a lot of people is how

812
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: do you handle success? You know, everyone always talks about

813
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: how you handle failure, but how do you handle success?

814
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: So for for a lot of these guys, you know,

815
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: they you know, they get money and now of a sudden,

816
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: you know they're not working as harder. They're interesting you

817
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: go to other places. But these guys, guys like Hawaii,

818
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: you know, he loves to dominate a game. I mean,

819
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: he loves to work. You know, the work for him

820
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: is the reward, you know, So that I think that's

821
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: that's really where the separating factor obviously has some incredible ability,

822
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of guys in the

823
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: NBA with similar type of ability, but they don't have

824
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: the mindset that he has that really has separated him

825
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: and the will and work ethic. What do you think

826
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: of Harden when he was in high school? You know,

827
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: it's funny because James was on a really talented high

828
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: school team too and uh um um, I can't remember

829
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: the big kid's name they had. They had a really

830
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: good big kid and Artisa right, and they had Derek

831
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: Glasser was like his his his uh personal attache whatever.

832
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: And they had another wing to uh who was much

833
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: higher regarded early on. And I think he's game. Again.

834
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: The thing with James, I think he was a guy

835
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: that could score, not a great score, but a good score.

836
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: Not a great athlete. Um. But the same thing with him,

837
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean he's figured it out, like you know, it's

838
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: just things have I think he's he's probably one of

839
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: those guys that's really put a tremendous amount of time

840
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: into his game and really find tuned it that. You know,

841
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: the NBA is really um this The rules have really

842
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: helped him too, obviously, But from an offensive standpoint, I

843
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: don't know if there's anybody better at be able to

844
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: get their own shot anytime they want and make people

845
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: pay for helping. And I mean, but his his ball

846
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: handling is exceptional, you know, I mean, and his ability

847
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: to get his shots exceptional. And i've he's got range

848
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: and you can really like really he can really really

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Speaker 1: interesting about it is I agree he's obviously put a

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know if he has a personal uh

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Speaker 1: I think the University of San Diego was the the only

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Speaker 1: believe it was. And going into you know, in his

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Speaker 1: mean he physically completely changed, even in his face, completely changed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he just matured incredibly in that time period,

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Speaker 1: you know. And and give Carrie Keating a lot of

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Speaker 1: really during that time period when you said he was

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Speaker 1: really good, they did a great job of evaluating guys

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Speaker 1: that were in their area that we're kind of sleepers,

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Speaker 1: Darren Collison being another one. But but Russell Westbrook. You know,

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Speaker 1: his athleticism from the time he was a junior in

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Speaker 1: high school I think until then we went to go

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Speaker 1: back and you know when he was playing against US

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Speaker 1: that incredible dunk with over Jamal Boykin and I mean

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Speaker 1: You know, you wouldn't recognize him physically, and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's a hell of a player, but

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Speaker 1: sometimes he does rely on his athleticsm altope too much.

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Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, he was special. Even

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Speaker 1: you know at U c l A. He really didn't

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Speaker 1: play the point. He was really off the ball most

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Speaker 1: of the time. But he was their defensive kind of

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Speaker 1: stopper on a very talented team. I mean that team

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Speaker 1: went to the to the final four, won the league, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean Kevin Love was on that team. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Darren Collinson. Uh really, I think there's probably

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Speaker 1: can't think of them all on the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: But listen, I love your perspective. Obviously, Poppy on some more.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. You got it. Sure

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Speaker 1: to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio. Ah app all right,

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Speaker 1: thanks to my brother Greg. That was awesome, unbelievable insight. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think the the Rockets are done. They're just too tired.

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Speaker 1: Same thing for the Nuggets. I'll be interested to see

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Speaker 1: exactly what happens with Milwaukee and the Heat. I think

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Speaker 1: the Milwaukee's in big trouble, and I do think the

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Speaker 1: Celtics had the makeup to kind of reclaim their advantage

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Speaker 1: in this series. Maybe it's because I picked it on

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Speaker 1: our website that I liked uh the Celtics coming out

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Speaker 1: of that series. I still like the Bucks coming out

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Speaker 1: of their series. Lakers and Clippers will match up in

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Speaker 1: the Western Conference. Thanks so much for downloading and listening.

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