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Speaker 1: Oh it's up and away we he Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of No Breaks, a Formula one podcast from the

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Speaker 1: No Dunks, Inc.

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Speaker 2: Classic Factory, proudly a part of the Athletic Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Trey Kirby. We got our team principal

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Speaker 2: JD running things down in the paddock, and we're joined

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Speaker 2: by our local F one expert, a man who SIPs

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Speaker 2: champagne when he's Thursday. It's grad and Gordy and Graden.

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Speaker 3: What's up? Dude? What's up? Everyone? Hell you doing? Trey?

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Speaker 2: I know you had a big old birthday this weekend,

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Speaker 2: joining me with the legendary number thirty seven. Nobody cares

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Speaker 2: about thirty six through thirty nine, to be quite honest, Graydon,

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Speaker 2: but still fun times.

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Speaker 3: I think it would make me the fourth or fifth

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Speaker 3: oldest driver on the grid, So I'm you know, I

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Speaker 3: still got a few years before I'm an oldie, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: feeling good.

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Speaker 2: I like to think thirty seven isn't old either, but

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Speaker 2: unfortunately it is. Nonetheless, whether you're listening on Apple, Spotify,

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Speaker 2: the Athletic App, or any other podcast service, maybe you're

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Speaker 2: joining us. You're part of the slipstream team watching live here.

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Speaker 2: On YouTube. Thank you very much for coming along for

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Speaker 2: the ride. Had a big triple header in the Formula

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Speaker 2: one World this past month, Graydon, so much drama. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna hit you with one big thing from each of

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Speaker 2: these races, and I think we're gonna go reverse chronological order,

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Speaker 2: because at this point the Mexico Grand Prix was almost

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Speaker 2: a month ago and maybe not the most exciting of

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Speaker 2: the races. So let's go to Qatar on November twenty

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Speaker 2: first first Grand Prix ever in Qatar, A night race.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 2: My one big thing from this one, Graydon. We got

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Speaker 2: all sales. A championship race, Oh yes, we do, to

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Speaker 2: be quite honest. Lewis Hamilton dominated this one. He finished first,

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Speaker 2: twenty five seconds ahead of Max Verstaffen. Verstappen was thirty

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Speaker 2: four seconds ahead of Fernando Alonso there in P three.

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Speaker 2: Not a bad race for verstap and he started seventh.

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Speaker 2: After a penalty and qualifying, moved into P three by

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Speaker 2: but Hamilton was so far ahead Mercedes just brought him

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Speaker 2: It was a lights to flag victory. I saw they

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Speaker 2: were saying for Lewis Hamilton, that's a great term. Verstappen

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Speaker 2: He currently leads Lewis Hamilton by eight points for the drivers' championship.

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Speaker 2: My question to you, Graydon, has Mercedes been sandbagging this

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Speaker 3: Well, you know they're actively developing the car throughout the season.

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Speaker 3: You know they're continuing to make improvements. You have to

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Speaker 3: this year. But the biggest change that we've probably seen

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Speaker 3: the start of the season, Hanna's engine looked great. It

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Speaker 3: and at times was possibly even more powerful. In more

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Speaker 3: recent races, Mercedes, the Mercedes powered vehicles and Merk in

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Speaker 3: particular have been flying in Qatar. Hamilton wasn't even using

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Speaker 2: You're making this sound like NBA playoff adjustments, where you know,

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Speaker 2: Is that a common sort of thing, Cuz I know

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Speaker 3: In fact, I was a little confused when I first

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, the car looks fast. Mercedes looks fast. I

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Speaker 3: But clearly that this incentive isn't working right, Like guys

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Speaker 3: It's just it's not ideal, right, So it's I think

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's been terrific this second half

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Speaker 3: I I it's he clearly stops driving into the turn

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00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: that moorses him off the track. It was clear as day.

431
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 3: I mean they claimed that they didn't have all the

432
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 3: footage because they have limited camera footage in real time

433
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 3: and they weren't able to see his the actual wheel motion.

434
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: But there's so much data they have around these cars

435
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: at their availability, not to mention there was just an

436
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 3: eye test that it absolutely failed that. I just think

437
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 3: I cannot believe that they didn't penalize him even just

438
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: five seconds there. I'm sure if you're if you're Mercedes,

439
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: You've got to be flabberg acid, especially given in the

440
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: fact that just the day before, for just a being

441
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: a you know, a millimeter off in your rear wing,

442
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 3: you twenty places in an instant, So.

443
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I say, great, and it's all

444
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: about letting him race out there, but I mean, that

445
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: was that was ridiculous. Ver Stopping basically drove through the

446
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: corner straight like he just went straight, and he's like,

447
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: all right, I guess I gotta go left. Finally here

448
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: we'll finish the race. So at point set Hamilton back

449
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: a little bit because he didn't really have another chance

450
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: to pass Max for another ten laps basically, but lap

451
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: fifty eight takes another chance, no luck this time. On

452
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: lap fifty nine, Hamilton finally gets it done, passes Max

453
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 2: Verstappin into p one, the Brazilian crowd goes crazy and

454
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: we got a great moment from Toto Wolf in the paddock.

455
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: They were waiting for this guy's reaction shot when he

456
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,239
Speaker 2: finally got passed. When Hamilton finally passes ver Stappin and

457
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: Toto did not disapploy. What a staredown and point this

458
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: guy did. This was awesome. What a character Toto Wolf is.

459
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: It's like he's like a character out of a movie

460
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 3: with the name Toto Wolf. I can't even believe that

461
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: he's is so perfect for what he is and how

462
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: he is.

463
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love I don't know, just the interplay between

464
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: him and Horner I think is very funny as well too.

465
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: But anyways, Hamilton goes on to win this race, won

466
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: it pretty easily ten seconds gap eventually, so he started

467
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: last in the sprint on Saturday, finished first on Sunday.

468
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: In college football, to win the Heisman, you gotta have

469
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: a Heisman moment, right, like I don't know, Eric Crouch

470
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: catching a touchdown on a reverse or something like that,

471
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: something they're gonna put in the highlight tape. This to me,

472
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: if Hamilton goes on to win this championship, this is

473
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: the race to remember, he said it was the best

474
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 2: weekend of his career. Do you think that's true.

475
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 3: I mean, the guys won a lot of races, Yeah,

476
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: I think right, So so it's hard for me to

477
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: definitively say better than like the one hundred plus other

478
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Speaker 3: races that he's won. But I mean, to overcome twenty

479
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 3: five twenty five places over two days is just a

480
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: monster effort. I mean, it might it might be, you know,

481
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: it's it's given the fact that sprint qualifying is comparatively

482
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: new there kind of truly is nothing like it in

483
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: history because nobody's even had the opportunity, I think, to

484
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 3: do something along those lines. But it's it's it was wild,

485
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: just one of the great drives. I do think we'll

486
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: ever we'll ever see and if it's true, if he

487
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: goes on to win this title. It started right there

488
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 3: in Interlagos, which is, by the way, such a great track.

489
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: Like every year, I was so excited for this race.

490
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 3: This year it delivered kind of more than I even expected,

491
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: but every year it's insane. It's so good. It's one

492
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 3: of my favorite top three races, you know, sits for me,

493
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 3: top three tracks for me.

494
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Speaker 2: There does seem to always be a lot of fireworks

495
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: that Interlagos. Why is it such a good race? Is

496
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: it just because it's a good track for over taking?

497
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that was kind of Mercedes strategy

498
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: coming in, right, They're like, we know that Hamilton's gonna

499
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: be starting further back in the pack. We'll take our

500
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: engine this weekend because we know we can make it

501
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: up being able to actually pass around here.

502
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 3: I think that first sector is just especially electrifying. You know,

503
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: they come, they end up being flat out through so

504
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: much of the third sector coming onto the strait, and

505
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: then you've got there just carrying so much speed into

506
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: that first corner, and then you've got some you know,

507
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: a very quick DRS zone right behind that. So there's

508
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: just like this one period where which is really all

509
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: you need on the track, is just like one section

510
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 3: that fosters a lot of action, you know what I mean,

511
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: because you just can only create so many moments, you know,

512
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: around the course, right, So it's like, but that one

513
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: I think just just absolutely delivers year and year out.

514
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: That first sector has just that is awesome. So it's

515
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: because you've got this big sweeping turn coming down after

516
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 3: the main straight it's just cool and I think this

517
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: the vibe there is great. It just seems like the

518
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 3: fans love it. Brazil is one of the great F

519
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: one nations, having produced a lot of champions over the years,

520
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: and hell I love it.

521
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: And they've got it set up nice where if the

522
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: passes are going to happen, it happens right in front

523
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: of a grand stand. And like you mentioned, Brazil isn't

524
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: a great F one nation and they are huge, huge

525
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton fans. It was loud when this guy was

526
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: going into P one. That was a fun race. Race

527
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: of the year for me. I don't know about you, Graydon,

528
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: but podium ended up being Hamilton for staff in Botas

529
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: Sergio Perez finishes in P four, he takes home a

530
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: point for fastest lap. These fastest lap points are going

531
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 2: to add up at the end of the season with

532
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: how tight we are right here, So looking good for

533
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: red Bull right there. Other notable finishes Leclaire P five,

534
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: Signs P six, Norris P ten, Danny Rick Danny retired

535
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: in this one. Another not great one for Daniel Ricardo.

536
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: This is a backbreaker for McLaren who and we'll talk

537
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: about it in a moment just the race before, also

538
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: didn't have a great outcome in Mexico. This might have

539
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: been the nail and the coffin for their hopes to

540
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: finish third this year. You know, Brari gobbling up eighteen

541
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: points them taking home just one point. A very confusing

542
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: outcome in this instance, Norris and Signs tangled a little

543
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: bit and that was part of the Norris's problem a

544
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: little bit. You know, he had to pit early and

545
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: things like that, right, But at the end of the day,

546
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: they've just after what looked like such a strong first

547
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: half of the season and coming out of Manza, you know,

548
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: they just look like a force of nature. But ever

549
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: since that catastrophe in Russia, for Norris, it's like things

550
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: have gone off the rails for them. They kind of

551
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: lost their mojo and have not gotten it back, you know,

552
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: big time.

553
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a movie about losing your mojo once.

554
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: It can be pretty hard to get it back, So

555
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: we shall see. But yeah, it's been a bummer because,

556
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: like Ricardo had a really slow start. He talked a

557
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: lot about how hard the car was to figure out,

558
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: and then it looked like he had figured things out

559
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: in the meantime, the last pootcast we talked about there

560
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: was a whole bunch of Danny Rick praise, no doubt

561
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: about it, and McLaren was looking good but was not

562
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: a great triple header for the Papaya boys. So let's

563
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: go to Mexico on November seventh. Kind of a boring race, though,

564
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: I will say the one big thing here it was

565
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: fun watching Checko try to chase down Lewis Hamilton, Valchri

566
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: Botas on pole again, Graydon Hamilton P two. It's gonna

567
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: shock you didn't go great at the start there. Verstappen

568
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: passs Hamilton and Botas. Botas spins out on the start.

569
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: He got tapped by Daniel Ricardo in this one turn

570
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: into a tire strategy race pretty quickly. Here Hamilton pits

571
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: for Hard's first at lap thirty, Perez stays out, Hamilton

572
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: comes out. Eventually he's fifth behind Leclair. Verstappen is next

573
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: to come in lap thirty four, so he comes out.

574
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: He's second place behind Checho Perez, who was the first

575
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: Mexican to ever lead the Mexican Grand Prix. Very cool.

576
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: Perez finally comes in to pit on lap forty. When

577
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: he comes out He's in P three, nine seconds behind Hamilton.

578
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: Hamilton is nine seconds behind vers Stappin. Hamilton has no

579
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: chance of catching for Stappin in this one, but the

580
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: battle with Perez starts basically lap fifty. Perez is six

581
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: seconds back. He cuts into Hamilton's little bit of a

582
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: lead here. On lap sixty there's a one second gap

583
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: between Hamilton and Perez, so it's DRS mode. Here on

584
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: the last lap, a half second gap bars from me

585
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: right there, DRS straight between turns three and four. Unfortunately,

586
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: Perez can't get it done for stap and wins. Hamilton

587
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: comes in second, Perez comes in third. Perez, though, does

588
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: become the first Mexican driver on the podium at the

589
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: Mexican Ground Prix, and the celebration was on. That was

590
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: fun to watch for sure.

591
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: Oh oh my gosh, awesome. I mean, it's a great

592
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: crowd there, right. It was really cool to see Perez's

593
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: dad kind of just totally losing it down, you know,

594
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: in that kind of baseball stadium grand stand area they were.

595
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, I was really excited for Perez that

596
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: he got on the podium. I was rooting for him

597
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: to to Nick Hamilton, not in the sense that I

598
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: necessarily even pulled for Perezo Hamilton. I just thought it

599
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: would have been awesome for him to do so. In Mexico.

600
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: I thought it's cool. But it definitely was a track where,

601
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: you know, going into it we really hyped up red

602
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: Bull said this is a red Bull track, this is

603
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: where they win, this is where they dominate. And coming

604
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: out of Saturday it looked anything. But you know, you know,

605
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: starting third and fourth, it didn't look like they had

606
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: it right, you know, or it wasn't. It was unclear

607
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: how the less had it, you know what I mean.

608
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 3: I and it's but obviously by the time they were

609
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: it turned two, that had corrected itself. I mean at

610
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: which point I think, you know, Max just they and

611
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: Lewis himself admitted they just didn't have the car that day.

612
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: What I think is incredible is the way we've seen,

613
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: the way that Max just kind of commanded that whole race,

614
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: and the way they've been unable to replicate that since

615
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: is is fascinating. It is what is going to make

616
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: for really exciting stuff.

617
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Verst that dominated this race so much that Crofty

618
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: had two lines for him as soon as he finished

619
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: he called it the Mexico Grand Prix, and then he

620
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: hit us with a vamos Verstappen. That's how far ahead

621
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: Verstappen was in this one. It was just a blowout.

622
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: P four though for Ghastly that was a nice drive

623
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: for him. P five for Leclaire, P six for Signs,

624
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: P ten for Norris, P twelve for Riccardo. Ricardo, like

625
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: I said, bopped into Botas early in the race. He

626
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: also ran Lance stroll wide. This was a bad one

627
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: for the Papaya guys as well.

628
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: Did not did not go well, and this was the what,

629
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: in retrospect was the beginning of the end. I don't

630
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: think we realized it, but they were. This is where

631
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: the their lead over Ferrari starts to slip away. I

632
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: think they do flip in the standings here after this

633
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: race or a narrows to basically nothing at this point

634
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 3: and they've been unable to get it back. Meanwhile, the

635
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: Ferrari guys have been very very you know, they've been

636
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: very steady, hands out there, solidly in the points right

637
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: up there at the top of the best of the rest,

638
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: you know, kind of week in week out there they're

639
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: putting together a nice little season, despite the fact that they,

640
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: according to Mattia Binoto, have actually stopped working on their

641
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: car and have dedicated one hundred percent of resources to

642
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two and did that quite a while back

643
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: in the season. They've really shined here the last third

644
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Speaker 3: of the year, I think, and are carrying a lot

645
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 3: of momentum into the next season.

646
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. It's the consistency that has been the difference.

647
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 2: Because I remember, I think it was after we did

648
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: kind of our first half of the season recap and

649
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: signs at the time was leading Leclair and the drivers,

650
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: and you said it was basically because Leclair had a

651
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: couple of moments where he didn't bring the car in

652
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: and you know, he had just gone off for whatever reason,

653
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: wasn't able to finish, got no points. But in all

654
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: of these races, signs in Leclaire were either fifth and

655
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: sixth or seventh and eighth. Meanwhile, Norris two P nine's

656
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: and or one P nine and two p tens, which

657
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: is bad, but at least it's better than Daniel Ricardo

658
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: who scored zero points in this one. Is this, Uh,

659
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: does McLaren have any chance of coming back against Ferrari

660
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: in the Constructors' Championship right now, A thirty nine and

661
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: a half point lead Ferrari, a thirty nine and a

662
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: half foot pole wasn't good enough for the grinch kept

663
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: him far away. A thirty nine and a half point lead.

664
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Speaker 2: You think that's the one safe for the.

665
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: Scooteriel it's safe ish. I mean, there is a lot

666
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: of points out there still to be one and I

667
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 3: do think that at least in Saudi Arabia. I'm sure

668
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: we'll discuss other ways. It's a track that would seem

669
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 3: to favor the more powerful Mercedes engine, so there's certainly

670
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 3: a great opportunity for that. It's the second fact that

671
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 3: we'll deal with all the small whip of the second

672
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: fastest track after Monza, where as remember McLaren did very well,

673
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: so there is a I think there's a huge opportunity

674
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: for them to fight back here. But they're going to

675
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: need two excellent drives from both drivers and perhaps a

676
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: little bit of strategic or driver era from Ferrari's part,

677
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 3: which Ferrari is fully capable of. We've seen it countless

678
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: times in the past, so I think I think it'll

679
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: be he I think it'll I think they can win,

680
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: but you know, obviously they're basically forty points ahead. That's

681
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: a pretty big gap with only two to go.

682
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: So we've got a race for the drivers Championship between

683
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Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen. We've got a race for

684
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Speaker 2: first place in the constructors Championship between Mercedes and Red Bull.

685
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: And it feels like we've got a race maybe for

686
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Speaker 2: third in constructors between Ferrari and McLaren and would take

687
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: a little bit of a miracle from McLaren. Sounds to

688
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: me like we should really preview these last two races, Graydon.

689
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Speaker 2: So we're gonna take a quick break here. I know

690
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Speaker 2: the show is called No Breaks, but it's spelled different.

691
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Speaker 2: After the ads will take a look at the last

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Speaker 2: two races on the F one schedule. Welcome back to

693
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Speaker 2: No Breaks. Got a great question from the slipstream here, Graydon.

694
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Speaker 2: Eric Harper asks who does everybody think is the most

695
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 2: underrated driver on the grid? I say, Carlos Parritz. Wait,

696
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: Carlos signs, Carlos signs, Carlos Sons. Could he be the

697
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: most underrated driver on the grid? What'd you think? Grad?

698
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Speaker 3: He is a great answer, you know he is I

699
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: think the driver with the most races or most points

700
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: at most points without ever actually winning a race. He's

701
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: also got the longest current streak I think of thirteen

702
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: of finishing races in the points. So his consistency, which

703
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 3: we've praised him for in the past here on this program,

704
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: is absolutely proven to be true. I think that's a

705
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: really good answer. I think, you know, gosh, who who

706
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: else is under rated? Yeah?

707
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 2: I probably would have had Perez coming into this season.

708
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: Then they put him in a red ball and it's gone, okay.

709
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: I thought he would be more challenging Max per perhaps,

710
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: but maybe that's just showing us how good Max really.

711
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 3: Pierre Gasly isn't really underrated anymore. To me. I feel

712
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: like people are on the Pier Gasly train now that

713
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: he's done so well at Alpha Tari. There's a point

714
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: where I maybe would have said Pier Gazzy, but I

715
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: feel like, actually he's just rated or underrated like so,

716
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Speaker 3: I I think, I don't know, and it won't there's

717
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: a point in time where I would have said Esteban Oconn. Also,

718
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: I think people sleep on a little bit, you know,

719
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: but actually can can you know? Is very competitive out

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Speaker 3: there you know wins, you know, has won a race

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Speaker 3: this year. First of all, that's you know, not easy

722
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: to do. But also you know, less we forget Alonzo

723
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: is a two time world champion and a and just

724
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: a hell of a driver, and Oconn hangs with him,

725
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: so that's that's nothing to scoff at. But Carlos signs

726
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 3: is probably the right answer.

727
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned Carlos signs with a long streak of

728
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Speaker 2: finishing in the points. So let's take a look at

729
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: the standings, because we got a point one here in first,

730
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Speaker 2: Max Verstappen with an eight point lead ahead of Lewis

731
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Speaker 2: Hamilton in third, Botas. Then we go Perez, Norris, Leclair, Signs,

732
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Speaker 2: Ricardo Ghastly and Alonso. That's the top ten in the

733
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Speaker 2: drivers championship. In the constructor's standing, it's a flip flop.

734
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Speaker 2: We got Mercedes on top. They've got a minuscule five

735
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Speaker 2: point lead over Red Bull sitting comfortably in second. There Ferrari,

736
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Speaker 2: like we said, it's got a thirty nine and a

737
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Speaker 2: half foot lead on McLaren So that could be our

738
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Speaker 2: top three, though the top two certainly are still up

739
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: for grabs. Saw this on F one's Twitter this week,

740
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Speaker 2: Graydon really liked the tail of the tape for the

741
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Speaker 2: two title contenders here. Max Verstappen nine wins on the year,

742
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Speaker 2: Hamilton's got seven. They're basically even on podium sixteen for Max,

743
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Speaker 2: fifteen for Lewis, though many more laps led by Verstappen

744
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: six hundred and twenty to two hundred and twenty eight.

745
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Speaker 2: I've seen some people in the comments saying that it

746
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: would be a disappointment if Max doesn't win this title,

747
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Speaker 2: considering Red Bull has probably been the team to beat,

748
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: even though Mercedes is ahead in the constructors Championship. We

749
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: had a couple of things, you know, where a couple

750
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Speaker 2: of races were Verstappin didn't finish or was kind of

751
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: knocked out of the race and knocked out of the

752
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: points at the very least, a couple of just little mistakes.

753
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Speaker 2: Whereas for Mercedes it's more bean botas has been coming

754
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Speaker 2: up a little bit behind. But it's gonna be an

755
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Speaker 2: exciting final two races here, Graydon. So let's take a

756
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Speaker 2: look at the first one on the calendar, the Saudi

757
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: Arabian Grand Prix. This weekend. We got qualifying on Saturday,

758
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Speaker 2: practice I should say on Friday, qualifying on Saturday, the

759
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Speaker 2: race Sunday, December fifth. This is the first ever Saudi

760
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: Arabian Grand Prix. It's gonna be a night race. We

761
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: don't have any sort of track record here, but it

762
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: is the second longest course on the schedule, and as

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, it's being billed as the fastest street track

764
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: ever seen in Formula one. I'm we're showing you the

765
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: course layout here on YouTube, very long, straight, and skinny.

766
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Speaker 2: I would say this track is who do you think

767
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Speaker 2: it's gonna favor Gradon.

768
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Speaker 3: I think this is almost certainly going to favor Mercedes.

769
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Speaker 3: It seems like it's going to favor straight line speed,

770
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Speaker 3: which they've been dominant in. It looks like it's, you know,

771
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: it's overwhelmingly composed of long, straight, fast corners. I mean,

772
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 3: the amount of time you're gonna be at full throttle

773
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: on this track is going to be a huge percentage

774
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: of the time. So it seems to me like if

775
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: Merk brings their best, it's got to be their race

776
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: to lose. I would to be honest, it's it feels

777
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 3: to me like almost like a very like a high

778
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 3: speed Monaco almost in terms of its narrowness, but it's

779
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: kind of being constructed very differently. That's actually my worry

780
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: is that while very fast and coming at a pivotal

781
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: moment in the championship battle, I'm concerned about the overtaking

782
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 3: ability on the track. There are three drs zones, so

783
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 3: that's that's awesome and will allow for maybe a faster

784
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: car in the back, you know, to overtake. But will

785
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 3: that make a difference for Red Bull if they're stuck

786
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: behind Mercedes. I don't know that a DRS zone is

787
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: going to make the difference. It certainly hasn't in the

788
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: last couple of races, so I don't know. We'll see.

789
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Speaker 2: I see bellaal here is mentioning that there are a

790
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: lot of turns, so perhaps Red Bull with their downforce

791
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: will see some sort of an advantage here. What are

792
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: the general strengths would you say between the Mercedes and

793
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: the Red Bull cars? Red Bull is gonna be faster

794
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: on corners, Mercedes faster on straits.

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00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean historically Red Bull is a super is

796
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: super fast in the slow corners. Because of their high downforce,

797
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: they can maintain like a higher speed in a quote

798
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 3: unquote slow corner which swiping slow. Those margins really matter,

799
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: you know. They're also you know, that's why even in

800
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: places like Mexico City where the air is very thin,

801
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: that high downforce helps a lot, you know, where oppositely

802
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 3: kind of the lower rake you know, structure of the

803
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 3: Mercedes makes them faster on straightaways, faster and high speed corners.

804
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: But also the you know, Mercedes is probably really the

805
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: first to crack the code of the V six hybrid engine.

806
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: They've always kind of other than those years, or maybe

807
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: Ferrari was being a little naughty with their engine set up,

808
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: you know, basically have had the most powerful engine out there,

809
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: but Red Bull closed the gap this year. In general,

810
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: That's one thing I would say about these two cars

811
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: this year is historically the differences were bigger there in

812
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: terms of how they approached down force, how they did this,

813
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 3: But after so many years working under fairly similar regulations,

814
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 3: they've both kind of iterated to a point of nearly

815
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 3: optimal race car conditions. So it's of course the different

816
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: setups favor different tracks see them perform differently, but I mean,

817
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: at this point they're both truly incredible cars that are

818
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: going to perform exceptionally well and any track. That's why

819
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: you see Max and lewis just you know, gobbling up

820
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: one two's you race and race out.

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Speaker 2: So if this is going to be kind of a

822
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Speaker 2: high speed Monco, you're telling me Saturday is going to

823
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: be very important. Watch the qualifying.

824
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Speaker 3: I think Saturday is really important here. I think Saturday

825
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: is really important here. I think that, I mean, I

826
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Speaker 3: think that it's important in both these last three races.

827
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Speaker 3: In fact, probably even more so in Abu Dhabi. I

828
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: think we just don't know about Saudi Arabia, right even Qatar. Actually,

829
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Speaker 3: I think there was a lot of cynicism coming in

830
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: about the ability to pass in Qatar and the concern

831
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: that it would just be a parade and that that

832
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: would be good. But we actually we saw more passing

833
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: ability than we anticipated, and we saw some good overtakes,

834
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: and we saw a lot more action than I think,

835
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: you know, originally expected. That didn't come at the very

836
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: front of the grid, but throughout. So you know, I

837
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: hope I'm kind of wrong, but I think the anxiety here,

838
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: given the narrowness of the track, has to be you know,

839
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: will we have that same problem?

840
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't seem like we're going to have a

841
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: problem with overtaking once we get to Abu Dhabi. We

842
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: got practice for the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix December tenth,

843
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: that's Friday, on Saturday qualifying, and on December twelfth we've

844
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: got the race. Described on Formula one dot com, they

845
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: say that the track in Abu Dhabi is dominated by

846
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: it straight between turns five and six, which with slow

847
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: speed corners marking its beginning and end, makes it a

848
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: honey pot for overtaking moves. What a description. Great in

849
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 2: an overtaking honey pots sort of turn there between five

850
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: and six. This one, it seems to me, does favor Mercedes.

851
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 2: This track's been around for a little bit. They started

852
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: racing here in two thousand and nine. Lewis Hamill has

853
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: won five times twenty fourteen, sixteen, eighteen and nineteen. Verstappen

854
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 2: won their last year, but Mercedes in general has won

855
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: six times in twelve years. So if you're a Red Bull,

856
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: you want to have a big lead going into this one.

857
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: It seems am I.

858
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I definitely think that this is These are

859
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: tough races for Red Bull to end this season on.

860
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: I would argue both these tracks favorite Mercedes you know,

861
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: it's not just because the Mercedes car has looked excellent recently.

862
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: I think these would have been probably you know, Mercedes

863
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 3: races even if things were basically you know, fifty to fifty.

864
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 3: So I think this is this is tough, and I

865
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: honestly think that if you're a Red Bull you are

866
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 3: nervous about the fact that you might lose this title.

867
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: At the last moment, I would be I think this

868
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: is gonna be hard, and you're gonna need to probably

869
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 3: you're gonna need to play it per fixed strategically in

870
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: both races. You know Max is gonna I think you

871
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: can trust that Max will drive the living hell out

872
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: of the car. But it's it's it's gonna be tight.

873
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think what we're gonna say. I

874
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 3: don't think that Max is going to unless something happens,

875
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: like like Lewis Hamilton gets in an accident, or there's

876
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: a tire puncture, or there's some other thing that causes

877
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: Lewis to drop down the field. It's hard for me

878
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: to imagine Red Bulls sewing it up in Saudi Arabia.

879
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: I think we absolutely go into Abu Dhabi with the

880
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 3: title still love the grabs.

881
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: Whoa spicy spicy I cannot wait. Let's make some predictions here, Graden.

882
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: We got two races left, the fifth and the twelfth. First,

883
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: Lewis versus Max. Who you think is gonna be taken

884
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: home the drivers Championship?

885
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: Well, and I think in our very first podcast my

886
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: prediction was that it would be that that Max would

887
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: win out in the end, and I'm gonna reverse that.

888
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna reverse that. I think Lewis has what it

889
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: takes to win these last two races. I think the

890
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: Murk Carr looks good. I think the course favors them.

891
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: I think Lewis is absolutely locked in right now. There

892
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 3: was a period midseason where I do think he actually

893
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: seemed a little rattled and a little and a little

894
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: shocked at the fact that he wasn't just cruising to

895
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: yet another title. But he is back mentally, and I

896
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 3: think he pulls out to you know, potentially two race wins,

897
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 3: but certainly has enough to nick the title. I think

898
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: it's close, though. I think it's definitely a single digit

899
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: points thing here at the very end.

900
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: Oh, it definitely feels like it. I'm obviously going with

901
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: Hamilton here. I like that this is going to be

902
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: a different kind of win for him. I think they

903
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: said as the Guitar Grand Prix was getting ready to

904
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: kick off, I think they said that he hasn't won

905
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: a title where he hasn't had it sewn up, like

906
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: with more than six races left. So like a come

907
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: from behind win to break the record for most titles,

908
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: that would be legendary stuff from a legendary driver. And

909
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, you can just feels like he smells it

910
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: right now, like he's got it in his grasp. He's

911
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 2: just got to be able to figure it out.

912
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 3: Although he's got experience with this. You know, his very

913
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: first title, so that's with Mercedes, but his very first

914
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 3: title with McLaren back in two thousand and eight. You know,

915
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: he came back, you know, he won it away from

916
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 3: Felipe Masa at Interlagos on the last lap, I think,

917
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: you know, he overtook a car to what moving to

918
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: fifth or something like that. You know, but even Felipe

919
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: Massa had thought he had already won the you know,

920
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: thought he was world champion, was celebrating having crossed the

921
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: line and then you know he he nicked with the

922
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: very end, so that so he's he's done some very

923
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: high pressure stuff like this in his career, and I

924
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: think what he has what it takes.

925
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: Again, surprising to me that Lewis Hamilton wouldn't say winning

926
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: his first title on the last lap of the last

927
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 2: race of the season was his best race win. But true,

928
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: you think, you know, I think that would be a

929
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: pretty good one. Maybe it was so long ago. He's like, yeah, whatever,

930
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: I was young, I was boring. I have no rear

931
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: view mirrors for Lewis Hamilton, just like Jimmy Butler. So

932
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: if you think Lewis is gonna take the driver's championship,

933
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: I assume that means you think Mercedes will take the

934
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: constructors as well.

935
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 3: I mean, the only thing would be a continued meltdown

936
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 3: from from from my boy Valcherie. Yeah, you know, just

937
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: as long as Val could like put in a couple

938
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: of decent races where he just absolutely does not you know,

939
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: you know, drive the car to a brick wall. I

940
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: think they also will have it soda.

941
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be crazy. It'll be very strange to me,

942
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 2: Graydon if you know, after everything that went down between

943
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: Hamilton and Verstappen and Verstappen building this big lead. If

944
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton comes back and wins the last four races

945
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 2: to win another championship for Red Bull or for Mercedes,

946
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 2: and another championship for himself, is this his best championship

947
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: since that first one? Or is this just the latest?

948
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: It's legendary. It's not to no offense to any of

949
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: our Day of Atlanta's, but it's like Tom Brady versus

950
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: the Falcons type stuff, right, Like everybody thinks they're done,

951
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 3: you know, everybody thinks that they're cooked, and like they

952
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: just don't got it and the dynasty is over, and

953
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: like somehow they just pull something out of nothing, you know,

954
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: I it feels like that, right, you know. So I

955
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 3: it's I think this would be I think this would

956
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: be their greatest victory in the sense that it's the

957
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: one that was hardest to achieve.

958
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: You might say, yeah, totally. I can't wait to see

959
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: what goes down this weekend because, like you're saying, final

960
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: race of the year, Abu Dhabi probably is going to

961
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: favor Mercedes even more so than this next one in

962
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia is so tons of pressure on Saturday qualify

963
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: and going to be exciting. We got one more break left.

964
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: After the ads, we'll talk about all the latest news

965
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: in the F one world. Welcome back to no Breaks.

966
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 2: Silly season is a long gone, but we still have

967
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: one driver change for next season, Graydon Guan yu Jou,

968
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: currently a Formula two driver in the Alpine Academy, gonna

969
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: be stepping up to the big league's next season, joining

970
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: Valtrie Botas at Alfa Romeo to become China's first full

971
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: time Formula one driver. Guan yu Jo currently second in

972
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 2: F two right now, got any idea what to expect

973
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 2: in F one Graden, Yeah.

974
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 3: It's tough as a rookie for sure, you know. I

975
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: don't think I look for him to just have a

976
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 3: barn burner of a year, but he's definitely done all

977
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 3: the right things in the lower leagues with three wins.

978
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: I think this year in Formula two, there's there's a

979
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: really solid pedigree there. And as an Alpine test driver,

980
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 3: you know, he's been behind the wheel a Formula one car.

981
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 3: I think he'll he'll come in and just about as

982
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: well as probably any rookie does, you know, But and

983
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see. I think, you know, there's

984
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: people are I'm interested to see how Alpha evolves. They're

985
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: actually kind of, I think, distancing themselves strategically a little

986
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 3: bit from Ferrari, where for a while there they're almost

987
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: kind of hovering as the Ferrari B team, a bit

988
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: like Alpha Tawi to Red Bull. Now I think they're

989
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: kind of starting to chart their own path and want

990
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 3: to find ways to work their way back up the grid,

991
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: so you know, hopefully they'll have a chance to fight

992
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 3: for some points. I'm excited. I think this is makes

993
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: perfect sense. China's a huge market for F one. It's

994
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: a long time coming that they have some representation in

995
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,479
Speaker 3: the sport.

996
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: Do you follow F two in general?

997
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 3: I mean I I keep up with it. I like,

998
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 3: I keep up with like who's at the top of

999
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: the standings, sure, and like and you know, guys who

1000
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: are hovering around the prospect of making the leave. And

1001
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: I'll watch a couple of races a year, but not

1002
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 3: like you know, there's only so many hours of the day.

1003
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: All right, Well, then you're gonna know this name, cause

1004
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 2: billal says, Oscar Piastre seems like the real deal. I'm

1005
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: with you. I only kind of know what's going on

1006
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: in Formula two, but that's the name I know, Oscar Piastre.

1007
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: Kind of surprising that he's not getting a spot next year.

1008
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I actually agree. You know, there's there's

1009
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: probably a little bit. I wonder whether there's this comes

1010
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 3: down to the dollars in the sense of it a

1011
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 3: little bit as far as like sponsorship money and what

1012
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: sort of sponsorship you know that you know on you

1013
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 3: could bring to the table as opposed to Piastre, who

1014
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: I believe is Australian. And sometimes there is only so

1015
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: many sponsorship correct, I believe right, So there's only so

1016
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 3: many sponsorship dollars to go around. Ricardo is probably already

1017
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 3: gobbling up a lot of those, you know in the

1018
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 3: Australian market, So I wonder whether some of that has

1019
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 3: to play. But I agree he looks awesome and has

1020
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 3: been rocketing through the lower leagues. I expect him to

1021
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 3: get a drive one of these days. It seems to

1022
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: me like just a lot of people just stayed put

1023
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: this year, so or a lot of the We definitely

1024
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: having a lot less turnover than we've had in some

1025
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 3: previous years. So you know, it makes me got You

1026
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 3: got to think that you know, at some point some

1027
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 3: of these older guys will start to wash out and

1028
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 3: people like Piastree will get their shot.

1029
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, we shall see you mentioned uh basically on totally

1030
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: new squad for Alpha Romeo next year, with guan U

1031
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: Joe joining Valchrie botas do you expect anything more from

1032
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: Alfa Romeo? I was kind of surprised to see that

1033
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: they're actually a ninth in the constructors standing right now.

1034
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: Not been a great year, pretty anonymous, I would.

1035
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 3: Say, no, you can't get much worse than that, right,

1036
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 3: I mean, to be the only to have has who

1037
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: basically you know, there are folded folded on the season

1038
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: that you know, you know from from day one, I

1039
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 3: think to be the only team worse than you is

1040
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 3: is not is not great. You know, it's certainly been

1041
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 3: a slide. So but you know, we'll see. But I

1042
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 3: will say that, you know, Valcherie, at least he claims,

1043
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: had the opportunity to go to either Williams or Alpha Uh.

1044
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 3: He said that he looked seriously at both of those

1045
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: and felt more confident about Alpha Alpha's roadmap in the

1046
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: coming years. So that also just has to do with

1047
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 3: the link of the deal they gave him, which is

1048
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 3: something he always wanted from Mercedes, but you know, they

1049
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 3: they were I don't know. I definitely think that this

1050
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: is I hope they do well. I love the team,

1051
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 3: but it's like, oh gosh, they look terrible.

1052
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: That has not been their year though. I will say

1053
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 2: Antonio Giavanazi, he can have a nice five laps to

1054
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: start the race, and Guanejou is actually going to be

1055
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: taking Giavannazi spot. Giavanazi had three seasons in Formula one.

1056
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: He is going to be going to Formula E the

1057
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: All Electric Championship, but he's also going to be sticking

1058
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 2: around as Ferrari's reserve driver if they ever need a sub.

1059
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 2: I guess he also kind of wants to get into

1060
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: endurance driving. Do you ever think we're going to see

1061
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: Giavanazi back in Formula One?

1062
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 3: I suspect not. I think that he he just didn't

1063
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 3: do well enough. I mean these there's only twenty of

1064
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: these seats, and listen, we do see guys fall out

1065
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: and fall back in. Alex Alban dropped out, made it

1066
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 3: back in, Espaun Oconn dropped out, made it back in.

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00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: But those guys had the backing of some very powerful people.

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00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: Total Wolf and Christian Horner in particular in their cases

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00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: and it took a lot of finagling to get them

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Speaker 3: back into the series. I think we probably Jivanazi ends

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00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 3: up being there's a lot of guys in Formulae you

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00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: know that are x F one drivers. I think he

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00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 3: probably ends up just riding it out there for a

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00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: while and in dura En, in the WEC as well

1075
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: and Durance racing you see tons of XP one guys.

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00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 3: That's that's probably the rest of his career because who's

1077
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: going to take a flyer on it? Like what did

1078
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: he do that? You're like, oh, we need to give

1079
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 3: this guy a second shot when there are guys you know,

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00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: like Piastre sitting out there.

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Speaker 2: So he's a good starter man to hold it against

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00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: them the rest of the race, the first five laps,

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00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: that's you have a nazis time to shine.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: So that's the good news. Also some sad news in

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: the Formula one world. Sir Frank Williams, who founded the

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00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: Williams F one team in nineteen seventy seven, passed away

1088
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: last weekend at seventy nine years old. Tributes came pouring

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00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: in from around the f one world, and I would

1090
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: say the word that I saw the most in these

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00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: Graydon kindness, everybody highlighting how kind Sir Frank Williams was.

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Speaker 2: The guy was a legend in the sport. I think

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00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: he remained the team principle of Williams Racing until September

1094
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, making him the longest and most successful team

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00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: principal in F one history, though his daughter Claire took

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00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: over day to day operations in twenty thirteen. What should

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00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: we know about Sir Frank Williams, Graydon Gosh.

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00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 3: I mean, Frank is a true legend of the sport

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00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: right when he founded and also a guy from a

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00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: totally different era. Right this is today. This is a

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00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 3: big money sport with huge corporations coming in. When he

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00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 3: founded Frank Williams Racing in nineteen ninety six, which was

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 3: excuse he was nineteen sixty six, which was the organization

1104
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: that preceded Williams Racing, which was officially founded in seventy seven.

1105
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: He was a traveling grocery salesman who just loved racing.

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00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 3: And even in seventy seven, you know he was he

1107
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: was running short on bills. He was like buy it,

1108
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 3: you know, taking loans to buy a chassis to like

1109
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 3: try to enter into races. It was just totally different

1110
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 3: f one that he found his way into and then

1111
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: starting from nothing, proceeded to win nine constructor championships and

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Speaker 3: seven drivers titles with guys likes Alan Jones, Keke Rosberg,

1113
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: Nelson p K, Nigel Mansell, Alan Pross, Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve,

1114
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: and then also had famously Ayrton Senna drive for him,

1115
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 3: who died behind the wilbl Williams but never won a

1116
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 3: championship with them, So, you know, was the principle of

1117
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 3: some of the true greats of this sport. You know,

1118
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 3: guys who are you know, legends you know on the track.

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00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 3: So he's I feel like a lot of young, young

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00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: newer fans, you know, because he had a very tragic

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01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: kind of accident in nineteen eighty six that left him

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01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 3: wheelchair bounds. They don't know him as this kind of

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01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 3: like electrifying on his feet like in Zuebrant character that

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01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 3: he was for so many people for years. But the

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01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: truth is he's awesome and I would encourage everybody to

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01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: go watch the twenty seventeen documentary Williams, which is about

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01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: him and his family, and it's just it's pretty well

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01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: done in my opinion, and you know, complicated, because I

1129
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 3: think he is a complicated figure. But it just this

1130
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 3: is I was trying to think of a good NBA

1131
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: comparison here. I don't know nobody, you know, there's I mean,

1132
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I don't know. I didn't end up coming

1133
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 3: up with one. Maybe maybe a Popovich or something like that.

1134
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 3: Somebody else over beloved, I know, I feel like that

1135
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: sens it easy ever, but you know, a guy who

1136
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 3: won tons of titles, did it over, did it over decades,

1137
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 3: you know, and was beloved by kind of everybody around

1138
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 3: the league. It feels like, you know, maybe that's that's

1139
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: the sort of guy that we've lost.

1140
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: It seems fitting to me. I'm definitely going to check

1141
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: out that documentary. There's also a bunch of really good

1142
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: stuff on Sir Frank Williams on Formula One's YouTube channel

1143
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: as well, so that's worth checking out. Williams family sold

1144
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: the team after last season, but there's still a big

1145
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: part of the team. Everybody calls them the Patriots, called

1146
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: Sir Frank Williams the Patriarch. Obviously they're still involved from

1147
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: a figurehead standpoint, and there's a bunch of tributes planned

1148
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 2: for the Saudi Arabian GP this weekend. Definitely going to

1149
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: be checking into that, Graydon, any other news out there

1150
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 2: you want to get.

1151
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 3: To, No, but I will just say to speak to

1152
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 3: Frank's significance. We've seen teams change hands all the time,

1153
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 3: ownership changed hands all the time. We saw for Cindia

1154
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 3: become Racing Point become Aston Martin, we see whatever, you know,

1155
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 3: people change their We saw you know, Brown GP become

1156
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 3: Mercedes whatever. It says something that when new owners took

1157
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: over Williams, they were like, we can't change the name.

1158
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 3: It's gotta stay Williams. That like you know there That

1159
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 3: that to me right there says just how important this

1160
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 3: guy was to the sport and how important his name is.

1161
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: I think that's great, great place to end at. Graydon,

1162
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 2: thanks once again for coming and joining us to talk

1163
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: about fast race cars. Go follow Graydon at mister Gordian

1164
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: on Twitter m R G O R D I A

1165
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 2: and it's the only place you can get tweets like

1166
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: this comparing some guy from some show to George Russell

1167
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: and Lake Bell. I gotta say, Graydon, I'm with you.

1168
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 2: George Russell looks more like this guy from Sex Lives

1169
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: of College Girls than Lake Bell looks like this guy.

1170
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 3: Last wait the college girl karat My wife was like, wait,

1171
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 3: I didn't mean lake Bell, she meant who is it?

1172
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 3: She meant somebody else tweeted at me about it. I'm

1173
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 3: trying to fight what you say. They're a different a

1174
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 3: different woman. Uh.

1175
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 2: That guy could play George Russell, though in a movie.

1176
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 3: Looks like George Russe totally looks like George Russell. Who gosh,

1177
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 3: who is the choose the actress? Who gosh, I'm gonna

1178
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: think of it. I'm gonna think of it the minute,

1179
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 3: the minute we finished the show.

1180
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: That's all right, tune in next time. That's what we

1181
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 2: call a tease. Graydon's gonna let us know who his

1182
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 2: wife was talking about from that tree. She's not gonna

1183
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: get you to tune in.

1184
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 3: What will Yeah?

1185
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So make sure to follow no dunks at no

1186
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:39,880
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1187
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,440
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1188
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1189
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: you want more breaks or less No breaks. Too bad,

1190
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: You're getting more. We're also back tomorrow for some basketball

1191
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: talk on No Dunks ten am Eastern. I'm hosting a

1192
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 2: live room on the Athletic App with Darnell Maybear talking

1193
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 2: about how much the bulls are back and we've got

1194
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Speaker 2: no buffs. Later on Thursday, five thirty pm Eastern to

1195
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: break down the latest episode of Survivor that's going down tonight.

1196
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: Never stop, never stopping you in on Survivor, Gritton.

1197
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 3: I, this is my biggest This has got to be

1198
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 3: my biggest break with the whole note Doug Screw, I

1199
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 3: feel like I haven't watched an episode Survivor in twenty years.

1200
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 3: There's something I been like. This is. Yeah, Well, I.

1201
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 2: Know you're not in right now, but I'm sure Jd'll

1202
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 2: will agree. No, it was the perfect time to get

1203
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: in right at the end. It would be like starting

1204
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 2: to watch the F one season right now, coming down

1205
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 2: to it, only a few episodes left.

1206
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 3: Who Who's Who's winning? Okay? Can show me on it? Seconds,

1207
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 3: show me up? Why?

1208
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: Okay? Who's winning? I would say it's a two man

1209
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: race between records.

1210
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 3: Literally two contestants left? Is that way?

1211
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 2: There's seven left? But I would say, Ricardo and Deshaun

1212
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: are probably your leaders right now. Who's the first staff

1213
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: and who's the Hamilton? Tune into no Bus tomorrow to

1214
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: hear our breakdown of it all clipper bras you heard

1215
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 2: it here first. Have a great time, turn up, Love

1216
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Speaker 2: you guys, awesome, stay speedy people. Thanks for joining us.