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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Better Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and.

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Speaker 1: Today we are recapping another episode of Gen season. We

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Speaker 1: are heading into hometowns after this episode, so this is

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Speaker 1: a pretty big one and I thought we.

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Speaker 2: Had one more.

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Speaker 3: I was watching it, like, are we really about to

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Speaker 3: send three guys on this week?

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Speaker 2: I think there's one more, but we do not.

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Speaker 1: It always goes quicker than I expect. And then later

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Speaker 1: in the week we have Jeremy who is going to

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Speaker 1: hometowns we'll be on this podcast. But before we get

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Speaker 1: into all that, we have our producer here because she

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Speaker 1: has some news she wants to.

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Speaker 2: Break, yes, and we haven't heard this news yet.

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Speaker 3: We're breaking it on the podcast, so you guys are

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Speaker 3: hearing it for the first time just as we are.

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Speaker 1: So welcome. Welcome unknown producer. Thank you, anonymous producer, Anonymous that.

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Speaker 4: You know, we don't usually do this here, but I

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Speaker 4: wanted to break the fourth wall a little bit because

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Speaker 4: we got some really exciting news today. You guys have

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Speaker 4: been hosting Happy Hour now for what like just over

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Speaker 4: a year year just over a year, yeah, just over

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Speaker 4: a year. Well, this morning we found out that Bachelor

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Speaker 4: Happy Hour has gotten its first ever People's Choice Podcast

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Speaker 4: Award nomination.

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Speaker 5: No way, really, Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: You have officially been nominated in the TV and Film

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Speaker 4: category with some some decent competitors. But you know, I

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Speaker 4: might be biased, and I.

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Speaker 5: Think who else is in it? Who else is nominated?

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Speaker 4: Bravo Outsider, HBO Succession Podcast, HBO's Last of Us Podcast,

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Speaker 4: Marvel Cinematic Universe Podcast, and Bachelor Happy Hour.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is so cool and also so crazy that

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Speaker 3: we're in the same category as Succession in the Last

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Speaker 3: of Us.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do have to admit this is this is

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Speaker 1: my fourth, my fourth nomination for a People's Choice Award,

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Speaker 1: and I have fucking struck out every time. You know

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Speaker 1: what I wasn't with Serena though, I was always by myself.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's the magic touch right there. I

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Speaker 4: have a good feeling.

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Speaker 1: Thank you everyone for listening and downloading and subscribing, because

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't for you guys, we wouldn't.

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Speaker 5: Be up for a People's Choice Awards or have a job.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you so much to everyone that listens

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Speaker 3: to this podcast for welcoming Joe and I on as

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Speaker 3: the host for this past year. We really enjoyed chatting

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Speaker 3: with you every single week, and it's obviously called the

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Speaker 3: People's Choice for a reason. We would not be here

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Speaker 3: without all of our listeners.

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Speaker 5: So good point.

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Speaker 3: We love you, guys, we appreciate you, and thank you

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 2: This is so cool.

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Speaker 3: This is my first award nomination. What were you nominated for?

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Speaker 3: You were nominated for Reality Start of the Year the

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Speaker 3: year that we got together, because I want to People's

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Speaker 3: Choice Awards with you.

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Speaker 1: And then okay, so this would maybe this would be

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Speaker 1: my only my third because I was I was nominated

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Speaker 1: for competition reality show as well.

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Speaker 5: I think my first time on Bachelor in Paradise.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I went from I went from competition, reality

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Speaker 1: contestant to reality star and to podcasts oh and two

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Speaker 1: and two and that now podcast.

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Speaker 4: I think third time is the charm Joe, And like

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Speaker 4: I said, you have Serena here, so it's it's meant

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Speaker 4: to be nice, super proud. Whoa.

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Speaker 2: This is so cool. Weat has Bachelor Happy. I ever

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Speaker 2: been nominated before.

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Speaker 4: This is the first time.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: It's been a wonderful experience having you guys joined the squad.

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Speaker 4: Very very grateful for you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks unknown pretty sir. Wow, that's so cool. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, okay, let's get into the episode, shall we.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 5: Let me go to my notes because I take notes.

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Speaker 2: I take notes too.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we are in Well, first we see a

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Speaker 1: teaser of what's the colm with potentially Sam? Yep, looks

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Speaker 5: Teaser? Don we are in Seattle, Washington.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, this was a good teaser because genuinely, the

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Speaker 3: entire episode I was like, how do we get from

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Speaker 3: her hunting him down in the boys bedroom? Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 3: the entire episode was like, but I don't understand how

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Speaker 2: Like what is going on?

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Speaker 5: Truly I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't either, but we find out later in the episode,

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Speaker 1: which we will. We will talk about Seattle looks I've

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Speaker 1: never been to Seattle, but it looks like such a

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Speaker 1: pretty city.

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Speaker 2: I've been to Seattle.

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Speaker 3: You would really like Seattle because it's kind of got

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Speaker 3: a similar vibe to Vancouver, and you do like that moody,

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Speaker 5: I do. So that's where I thrive in the rain, yeah, in.

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Speaker 3: But I didn't know that it was called the Emerald City.

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Speaker 3: That was news to me. And that it's green all

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Speaker 2: That are green all year around.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how we really decided that Seattle was

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: There are that many cities that are green year round.

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Speaker 1: La La is not really green. Yeah, it's more like

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Speaker 2: It's more tan, it is more.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's more tanned and beige. Vancouver's green.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it would be any city that has

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Speaker 1: But growing up, anyone that I've ever met that was

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Speaker 1: just a very green city.

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Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, Oh okay, news to me.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just a United States thing.

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Speaker 2: Though maybe it didn't make its way to Canada.

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Speaker 1: And then we see we have a familiar face who's

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Speaker 1: sitting in a coffee shop. Yeah, of course, because I

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Speaker 2: Ask for Yeah, I did notice that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I knew we were sharing, but you've been

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Speaker 3: we started this episode.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Charity is back, Charity the ex Bachelorette, and

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Speaker 1: she is here to give Jen some advice, which is

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Speaker 1: probably a great time in the season for that to happen.

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Speaker 2: I think so as well.

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Speaker 3: She looks amazing, I'll off her outfit, and I just

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Speaker 3: think Charity took a very I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 3: great questions to the men. She was taking every conversation

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Speaker 3: the most serious part of the journey, which would be hometown.

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Speaker 3: So I think this is a great week for them

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Speaker 3: to have a conversation and for Jen to get some

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Speaker 3: really great wisdom from Charity.

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Speaker 1: Wisdom, yes, yes, wisdom and advice. Because like hanging out

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Speaker 1: is you're like, Okay, this makes sense. They're really into

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Speaker 3: They have a really great relationship. Yeah, and you could

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Speaker 3: tell like the foundation of the relationship is there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the love is there as well.

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Speaker 1: So Charity didn't know what she was doing when she

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Speaker 1: was on. When she was leading the show, Jen mentions

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Speaker 1: that she feels like she's worried about Marcus, Sam and Jeremy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: she said, which is great because those are the two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's worried that Sam is kind of a just

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Speaker 3: a physical connection, which hunestly I'm worried about as well.

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Speaker 3: For her, I'm glad that we're on the same page

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Speaker 3: there because it really just seems like the sexual chemistry

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Speaker 3: And then she's wondering if Jeremy can get a little

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Speaker 3: which I feel like we've seen all of these things

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: I from what we've seen of Jeremy, I really like him. Same,

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Speaker 2: No, when he got the one on one date.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna be the guy that gets

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Speaker 1: the one on one date that gets sent home.

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Speaker 2: On the one on one date, You're like, he's getting

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Speaker 3: I didn't think he was getting sent home, But I

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Speaker 3: do think it's really rare for someone this late in

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Speaker 3: hasn't had one yet and stay and go to home date.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's why. It had nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: I just feel like he's going home, yeah, because of

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Speaker 1: how this is set up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how the structure of the show usually works. Usually

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Speaker 3: someone this week gets a second one on one date.

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Speaker 3: There's usually a second one on one date, and there's

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Speaker 3: it that gets sent home. That's, you know, often how

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Same.

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Speaker 1: So first First things first, Marcus gets a one on

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Speaker 1: one and it is a wicket themed which Serena loved.

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Speaker 1: We actually saw I saw a wicket for the first

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Speaker 1: time last year. We also at our gym the actress

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Speaker 1: that is going to play the Wicked Witch of.

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Speaker 5: The West's She's been in our gym multiple She's.

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Speaker 3: There on a regular basis, and she's wearing all green

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Speaker 2: I see her.

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Speaker 1: Well, we did have a conversation after we left the gym,

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Speaker 1: or like, do why do we think she's wearing all green?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, well, brands probably gifted her workout

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Speaker 3: I'm also sure that she's just probably embracing the role

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Speaker 5: Until the movie comes out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I remember that job. So hence the yellow

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Speaker 1: Marcus and Jen kind of walk through the Yellow Brick Road.

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Speaker 1: They're like playing these little games. It's fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: My thing with these games is they make them pick

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Speaker 3: But they get to Charity Spot after having this kind

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Speaker 2: Is that how you would describe it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And we see Yeah, we see Marcus's sister and

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Speaker 3: At the end of the Elbrig road, we see Trista

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and I think it's fair.

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Speaker 1: Like I was like, you cannot said this dhole way

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Speaker 5: So I felt for him.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, she feels good about where they're at, and

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Speaker 5: Either way, I.

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Speaker 5: Would you have guessed Marcus to be in the top four?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go to the group date, which is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like, you know who, we want to

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Speaker 1: But this is so the dates kind of set up.

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Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, let's see how much you guys

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Speaker 5: What are you laughing at?

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Speaker 3: This date was crazy for so many reasons, but it

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Speaker 1: Well, all the guys seemed like to pass with flying

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Speaker 3: And she's saying this, but you don't. I don't get

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Speaker 2: Like, what is happening on this date right now?

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Speaker 1: It's so, I guess it seems that Sam is saying

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Speaker 5: But it's like Jen's like, but do you know me?

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Speaker 3: But it's just like a snowball effect of a total rack.

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00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: Yes, but in I want to ask you this because

448
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 1: kinda in Sam's defense.

449
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 5: A little bit here, the other guys.

450
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: Before they left the room said how they felt about Jen,

451
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: And it's not like Jen's like, well, Grant, do you

452
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: really feel that way about me that you just said that,

453
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: Like can you explain?

454
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 5: Could you explain it?

455
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? But I mean they are in the room saying

456
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 3: I mean Spencer did say like I could name five

457
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 3: things right now to describe why Jens selfless and truthfully,

458
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 3: like I get it's nerve ac can be put on

459
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: the spot and explain your feelings, Like I'm not someone

460
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 3: who's particularly comfortable talking about their feelings in depth, but

461
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 3: I feel like in that situation you default to the

462
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 3: most simple answers, like you're selfless in the way that

463
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 3: like you're putting us before yourself in these situations or you.

464
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: Know you're so That's what he should have just said

465
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: instead of saying selfless, just say, like give give an

466
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: explanation of something that she did.

467
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: That showcase that she was selfless. That's all she wanted.

468
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 3: Like she wasn't looking for like an essay or an

469
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 3: A plus plus scholarly answering. She just wanted him to

470
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 3: be able to say, like, I saw you do this,

471
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 3: and I saw that as a selfless act, and that

472
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 3: showed me that you're a selfless person.

473
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it really seems like Jen was like I

474
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: think she was questioning Sam, but I think she was

475
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: really into them, and I think Sam had the really

476
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: fuck up to not go to hometown totally and that's

477
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: what happened. Yeah, because this does I don't know, you know,

478
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: and like we see so this ends, the state ends,

479
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: and Jen is not like in a good place.

480
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 3: And it ends on him essentially grabbing her face and

481
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: just like I'm making out with her in the middle

482
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 3: of this conversation that's going so poorly, and I feel

483
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 3: like that's his go to, is just physical when.

484
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: He doesn't know how to explain his feelings.

485
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 3: But like I feel like she pulled away from that

486
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: makeout with a little bit of the eck And also

487
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: just like, but you still didn't answer my question. Buddy, Yeah,

488
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: and I still did not answer what I'm asking, and I.

489
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 5: Feel like he left thinking like it ended well.

490
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it just felt like he was deflecting and

491
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: he was saying a lot, but he wasn't saying anything. Yeah,

492
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 3: that was answering anything she was asking. Like it was

493
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 3: just a mess of a conversation. But I feel like

494
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 3: we said that on their one on one day that

495
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: the communication was really janky, like the whole time, really,

496
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: the munication is so off, like they are not communicating effectively.

497
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 3: They just seem like they're totally on different pages. And

498
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 3: it felt like this the same time, like they have

499
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: no ability to communicate effectively. And I'm not saying like

500
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: it's I mean, it looks like it's sam M's fault

501
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 3: in this situation, but like they're clearly just not compatitive.

502
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 5: All no, no, and it gets worse.

503
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that because we go to the night

504
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: portion and the one thing to note, Jen has a

505
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: conversation with Devin, and this is the first time Jen's

506
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: expressed how she's feeling to another guy, and she tells Devin,

507
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm falling for you.

508
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the first one we've seen. Yeah, which

509
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 3: I think is big.

510
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: Devan's really came out, has come out of this shining.

511
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 5: At this point.

512
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: He hit a rough start.

513
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, his ice cream pull is winning and he is

514
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: He's leading the pack.

515
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 5: Right now for sure.

516
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be curious.

517
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 5: But they make sense, and they have chemistry. They have

518
00:24:59,200 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 5: to me they have.

519
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: Chemistry, they do, and they have good communication, Like when

520
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: they're speaking, their conversations really flow. I do wonder if

521
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: Marcus had said to Jen, I'm falling for you, if

522
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: she would have set it back, because I feel like,

523
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm just curious to see where that

524
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: relationship lies in comparison to Devin's, because I do feel

525
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: like Devon's more emotionally open than Marcus is. But I

526
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 3: do think she really likes both of those guys.

527
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, so and then we see so then like Grant,

528
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: Grant is really into Jen. Yeah, you know, he ends

529
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: up going she ends up sending him home later, but

530
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: like you can kind of tell, like it's just it's

531
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: almost there, but it's not. And that's unfortunate because we

532
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: do see a lot of Grant and like he like

533
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 1: he seems to be someone that really wants to end

534
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: up with somebody and he took this serious.

535
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

536
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: He seems like a really genuine guy.

537
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: I mean, we liked him when we interviewed him, but

538
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 3: even just watching him through this process, I do think

539
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: he took his relationship with Jen and the process very seriously.

540
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too, Me too. Okay.

541
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: So Sam and Jen have another conversation and again like complete,

542
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know.

543
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 5: What Sam's doing.

544
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: No, I don't know either, Like.

545
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 5: They seem to be on two completely different pages. I

546
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 5: think Jen is.

547
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: Just like, how do you like? How do you feel

548
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: about me? And Sam is kind of just like I

549
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: think he's just like too self involved at this point.

550
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: But he tells her I love you and she's like

551
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: what stop and he's like no, he says stop, She

552
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: goes Sam, he goes stop. I was like no, No.

553
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 2: The thing too is I believe we said it last recap.

554
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: Sam m from what we've been seeing, has been handling

555
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 3: these one on one conversations with Jen pretty well season

556
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: and I feel like it's him comforting her a lot

557
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: of the time on these group dates where he's kind

558
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 3: of shined, but when he's put in the hot seat,

559
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: he's just crumbled. And I would have loved for him

560
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 3: to come to the night portion of this group date

561
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: having really thought about the questions that she had asked

562
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 3: him on the radio, maybe been like.

563
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: Look, you put me on the spot.

564
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 5: I was nervous.

565
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 3: I was really nervous. I panicked. I was just word vomiting.

566
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: And I've taken some time. I've thought about your questions

567
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: and I want to answer them, like I want to

568
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: tell you why I think that you're selfless and I

569
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: want to show you that, like I can answer these questions.

570
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: But he just came so unprepared, despite the fact.

571
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what he thought was going to go

572
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 3: down in this night portion, But maybe he just thought

573
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 3: it was gonna be like fun and flirting. They were

574
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 3: gonna make out and it's gonna be fine.

575
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 5: But I feel like Sam.

576
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Has created a love story, or what he believes his

577
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: love story is going to be in his head of

578
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: this like ferocious.

579
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 5: Like I'm so madly in love. I can't explain it.

580
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: It's just love and it's fucking it's off the rail

581
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: and there's just no words to describe what this is.

582
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 5: I'm just telling you, shut up. I love you, you

583
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 5: love me, and we can't control ourselves around each other,

584
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 5: but like totally feel like there's.

585
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: Songs that like describe that. Like I'm sure there's some

586
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: like Rolling Stone songs that are like I can't describe

587
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: describe this love or whatever, but it's just like that's

588
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: not what this is.

589
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 5: Though.

590
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like a lot of the things he's saying,

591
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: it's like she's asking him a specific, direct question about

592
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: their personal relationship and he doesn't know how to respond.

593
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: And then it's just pulling every line from every movie

594
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: that he's ever seen. Like it's a mix of like

595
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: rom com fights and rom com makeup scenes and rom

596
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: com breaker scenes, and it's just like they're all meshed

597
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: together and he's just saying them, Agena, and none of

598
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: them really fit the situation or making sense combined. But

599
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: like that's he's just trying to figure out what the

600
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: right thing to say is versus thinking about like what

601
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: the honest thing to say is and what he actually feels.

602
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but let me ask you this before we

603
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 5: move on.

604
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: To the palate cleanser of a date, which is Jeremy,

605
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: do you think Sam actually loves her?

606
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: I think that he thinks he loves her. I think

607
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: that he wants to love her. I think that he

608
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: wants to end up engaged her at the end of this,

609
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: But no, I think that I don't think that he

610
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: actually loves her. Like I think if those two ended

611
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: up together at the end of this, like they would

612
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: be broken up before the finale. I think there's like

613
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: no foundation to the relationship. And I think that's what

614
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: Jen's realizing. And I think that Sam's just really caught

615
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 3: up in all of it. Right now, Okay, what do

616
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: you think do you think he actually loves her? I

617
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: think he loves the idea of ending up with the

618
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: bachelorette and having this ferocious love and being engaged to

619
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: this beautiful woman, but he clearly does not know who

620
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: she is. Like, I don't think he can love her.

621
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: I get what he's saying. Sometimes loves the feeling that

622
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: you can't explain or control, Like, I don't disagree with

623
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: that statement, but I just have concerns about the fact

624
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: that he can't answer any of these questions.

625
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I agree, I agree. I I really

626
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 5: agree with what you said with.

627
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: They get off the show and there's like no foundation,

628
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: and I think that I don't know. Yeah, I don't

629
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: want to be like, oh, he thinks he loves her,

630
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: but he actually doesn't because I actually, I mean, who

631
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: knows how he actually.

632
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: Maybe he does love her, but I just don't think

633
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: that love would last.

634
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

635
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not sustainable.

636
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 5: I don't know it. It comes across pretty pretty strange.

637
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: Super strange. Let's jump to Jeremy.

638
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeremy's date, which Jeremy is one of the guys

639
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: that she tells Charity that she needs to get to

640
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: know a little more. Uh, and they have they have,

641
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: they have a Their date is like they're in a market, right, Yeah.

642
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 3: It literally looks like something we would do if we

643
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: were in Seattle. Like they go to the market. He

644
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: makes a flower bouquet for her.

645
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: You know what, This date reminded me of what Kelsey

646
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: and Joey's.

647
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 5: Date at the bar.

648
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah, it's just a little more chilly, you know,

649
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: it's like the end a little more chill date.

650
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

651
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: They're like tossing a fish having beer. Yeah, yeah, it

652
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: looked really fun.

653
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: I liked the date. He got stuck with a good one.

654
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: They they open up like the night portion he opens up,

655
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, they talk about everything, religion and backgrounds, and

656
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: and marriage and everything, which is what you need to

657
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: Those are the conversations you need to have at this point.

658
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: And I just, yeah, I wasn't expecting Hily get a rose,

659
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: but he got one.

660
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: You didn't think they had a lot of chemistry on

661
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: this date. He said it a few times. You're like,

662
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's going to get a rose.

663
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if they have chemistry.

664
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what it is, because I'm definitely wrong. Look,

665
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm clearly wrong, and there because I do. When I

666
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: think of Jeremy, I go back to the race card date. Yes,

667
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: I was like, and you were like, oh, I think

668
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: she really likes him. I'm like, yeah, me too. But

669
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: then I don't know if I seen enough of them

670
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: after that where I thought maybe it was just like

671
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: there's four guys on the date.

672
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 5: She liked him. It was cool, And yeah, of it.

673
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: He's kind of at a disadvantage.

674
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: Mean, why we just haven't seen a ton of them

675
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: and getting a one on one date this late, we

676
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: haven't been able to really like watch the relationship grow.

677
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: And I think if you'd gotten like a week three

678
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: or four one on one date, we might feel a

679
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: little differently.

680
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: I do think they have chemistry.

681
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's going to be great to

682
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: have Jeremy on later this week because we can get

683
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: into it a little more, talk to him about his

684
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: conversations with Jeded on this date and how their connection

685
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 3: has grown throughout the season, because I just don't really

686
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: feel like we've seen that much of it.

687
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so okay, now we cut back to so sam

688
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: m is before ros ceremony.

689
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there was no cocktail party this episode.

690
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: This would be almost like the replacement cocktail party because

691
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: Jen is fully dressed, half the guys are ready, half

692
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: the guys aren't.

693
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: She storms into their suite.

694
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 5: You know, it would be a shacker.

695
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: If we had a season that had a cocktail had

696
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: never missed the cocktail party.

697
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: That would be crazy. I don't think that's ever happened.

698
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 5: They should do that just every single week.

699
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: You have to have a car and at the beginning

700
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: of the season be like, this is the first season

701
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: this has ever happened, and then.

702
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: It's just like, I don't know if that's as dramatic

703
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: as you think it's going to be, Like, we're going

704
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: to follow the structure of the show exactly nothing is

705
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: going to change.

706
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: Nothing that is dramatic exactly.

707
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: But she storms into the room. Love this look that

708
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: she's wearing. This might be my favorite look from her

709
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: this season. This yellow dresh looks really good in like

710
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: spaghetti straps and DV from Gorge Grgina. I love watching

711
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: the guy's faces when she comes in, She's like, where's Sam.

712
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: There's all so shocked to see her. It's just fun

713
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: to me.

714
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 5: Yeah.

715
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she breaks it off with Sam.

716
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

717
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: Do you think she went in there knowing she would

718
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: going to end the relationship with Sam? Do you think

719
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: if he had given her like a thoughtful answer, she

720
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: might have kept him.

721
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: I think I think he was going home at this point.

722
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: I think Sam had a chance before the the I

723
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: Love You conversation was Sam's last last chance.

724
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: The what is love to you? Oh no, the one

725
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: where he said I love you, the one that.

726
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 5: He said I love it. Yeah, he kind of he

727
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 5: was kind.

728
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: Of screwed after the radio date, but I still think

729
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: he had a tiny bit of a chance. And then

730
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: he dropped the I love you with kind of no explanation,

731
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: and then I think that was it for Sam.

732
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.

733
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 3: I think She went in there pretty heated after reflecting

734
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 3: upon like their entire experience and just the way he'd

735
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: handled those conversations. She asked him, you say you love me, like,

736
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: what is love to you? He couldn't really answer it.

737
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: She asked, what did you learn about me on our

738
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: one on one date. He couldn't really answer that. He

739
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: was saying some crazy things. He said something alonglines of like,

740
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 3: there's other people out there with the same characteristics as you.

741
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: You know what I want to ask you real quick?

742
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: And I know we're running a little little lawn on

743
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: this recap, but remember when you said I'm falling in

744
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: love with you? Yeah, how would you have responded? If

745
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: I looked at you and said, well, what's love to you?

746
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: I would have been like, fuck you? But okay, But.

747
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: What if I like literally like put my hand on

748
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: your knee and it's like, sweetheart, like do you even

749
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: know what love is?

750
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 5: Oh?

751
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: I think our relationship would be on the rocks, if

752
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: not over. But that would be incredibly condescending of me

753
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 3: to say. And it's one thing to blurt out I'm

754
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: in love with you in a moment where the relationship

755
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: is not going well. It can be seen as quite manipulative.

756
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: Are you questioning my authenticity?

757
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm just thinking. I just think it is funny.

758
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 5: I think it's a funny scenario.

759
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: But I did put myself in that position of like,

760
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: could I have answered it if you asked me like,

761
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: how do you know you're falling in love with me?

762
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: Because I didn't know what you were gonna say, and

763
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: I was prepared that you might like question me, because

764
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: it did feel crazy because it was so fast and

765
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: I hadn't like prepped an answer, but I was just like,

766
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: if he questions me, like, could I answer like what

767
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: about him is.

768
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: Making me fall in love with him?

769
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 3: And I could have Yeah, it might have not been

770
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: like the most like poetic or romantic answer ever, but

771
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 3: like I could have said.

772
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: The things that Yeah, And I'm also like a simple dummy,

773
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: like I would have been okay with like your.

774
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 5: Stop.

775
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have really you wouldn't have taken a lot.

776
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 5: To confess she's obsessed.

777
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: You're just so handsome and funny. You would have been like,

778
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: oh my god, she's obsessed with me, no wonder but

779
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: like the combo went really bad.

780
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: I would I would love to hear what Sam M's

781
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: reflection on that conbo is now having watched it back,

782
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: having had time to process. I mean, we're going to

783
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 3: watch the mental all and I'm sure we'll see it there. Yeah,

784
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: But I liked Jen saying like, I've been in this

785
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: kind of relationship before, and I've put that in my

786
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: past and I'm not looking to revisit it for me.

787
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: I I could see Sam m Yeah, you know, watching

788
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: this back and looking back and going on the the

789
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: towel all and whatever and kind of being like, yeah, maybe,

790
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I fucked up, Like like I kind

791
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: of have to like revisit myself and like kind of

792
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: look within and see kind of like what went down here.

793
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: But I could see Samm being a guy who goes

794
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: on paradise and figures it out, and like I could

795
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: see him. I could I guess I could see him

796
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: growing from this, Like I could see Samm being a

797
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: guy that goes on paradise, being likable and falling in.

798
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: Love potentially, because at the end of the day, as

799
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: much as this convote, he did not shine and it

800
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 3: did not show him in a good light. I also

801
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: don't think that him and Jen are compatible for one another,

802
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: Like I've seen multiple situations and conversations between the two

803
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: of them where they're like personalities and like flaws and

804
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: all that aside, Like these two have sexual chemistry and

805
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: that's it. Like I do not see these two ending

806
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: up in a relationship together. And I've really loved this episode.

807
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: For Jen, I feel like there's been a lot of

808
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: growth from her this episode, or at least we've seen

809
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: a shift in her where she's taking charge of these conversations.

810
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 3: She's putting the men on the spot and asking them

811
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: totally fair questions about what life outside this would look like,

812
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: what they're actually looking for, what they're feelings for her are,

813
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: and really just taking inventory of the guys that she

814
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: has and where they're at in this process.

815
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: And where it could go.

816
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: Because I think it's time to start doing that going

817
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: into Hopetown's for sure. And I think if she hadn't

818
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: done that, there's a good chance sam M would have

819
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: been in her top four. Yeah, and I think that

820
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: would have not been right for her.

821
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's pretty much. So sam M goes home.

822
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: She also ends up cutting Grant, who's you know, I

823
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: actually kind of I actually did think Grant was going

824
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: to make it to Hometowns.

825
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: This season, I haven't really been able to figure out

826
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: who was going to go to the Final four.

827
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 5: Devin.

828
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: I always knew Devin was Devin, Yeah, Marcus, Yeah, but.

829
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: Marcus, I wasn't on Marco O Jonathan Jonathan goes to

830
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: Final four.

831
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: Like Jonathan, Spencer, Grant, and Jeremy were all kind.

832
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 2: Of on the same level.

833
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

834
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: I agree the whole season, like they all were great

835
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 3: and had strong connections. But I wouldn't have been able

836
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 3: to pick from the four of them. What two we're

837
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 3: going to be in final four?

838
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 2: If you asked me last Yeah.

839
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like Devin, Yeah, Devin and

840
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: Marcus were kind of a step ahead.

841
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially because Marcus got the second one on one date,

842
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: which usually goes to someone that has a pretty strong connection.

843
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see We're gonna have Hometowns next week.

844
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: We'll see how this Hometown's go. Always entertaining love seeing

845
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: the families that aren't used to being on camera, how

846
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: they react. And yeah, that's recap. Make sure you guys

847
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: stay tuned. Later this week, we are going to have

848
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: Jeremy on. He is a hometown guy, so we're gonna

849
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: talk about everything that went down with him and Jen,

850
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: where their relationship stands at this point.

851
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: And yeah, thanks for listening. Don't forget to subscribe.

852
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 5: Bye bye,