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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, and we're back with our final segment with

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Speaker 1: Nick Pope. Nick. We are talking about how he Nick

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Speaker 1: was changed dramatically from the Lonnie Zamora Sacral, New Mexico

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Speaker 1: case of the police officer that really really changed him,

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Speaker 1: didn't it. Yes, I think it's interesting. With some people

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Speaker 1: in this subject, it's a gradual process whereby they changed

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Speaker 1: their minds. But with others, it's almost like there's a

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Speaker 1: single moment, one case, one revelatory moment. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: David New Mexico to get us started here. Go ahead, David. Hey, gentlemen, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just so happened that I lived here in Sakil County.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, I never did get it. It didn't

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Speaker 1: occur to me to attempt to see if if I

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Speaker 1: could talk to Lonnie before he passed a few years back.

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Speaker 1: But I do know that the current here in Tokoro County,

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Speaker 1: and I'm certain that he would have talked to him,

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Speaker 1: probably many times. And so sometime I'll talk to our

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Speaker 1: sheriff and see what he knows and share anything any news.

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Speaker 1: Oh please, yeah, that would be great. Yeah. The um um. So,

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Speaker 1: I had two other two part question on the UFO thing,

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Speaker 1: but the first of all, Sinto mentioned the X Files,

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Speaker 1: the writer producer Vince Gilligan of The X Files to

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Speaker 1: create and head rights and direct and Breaking Bad, right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was. I was in the pilot of Breaking Bad

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Speaker 1: in the before it was cool and when we were

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Speaker 1: we were filming that scene in Walter White's house in

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Speaker 1: his living room. I was an extra background and now

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Speaker 1: it's also the stand in for the for Hank that

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Speaker 1: he the agent, uh huh yeah, and yeah, funny thing

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Speaker 1: is is that they're in that scene. There was there

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Speaker 1: was some action and some dialogue between Hank and Walt

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Speaker 1: uh in the party scene in the in the living room,

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Speaker 1: and I saw where the how I could make the

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Speaker 1: uh that action and that dialogue even funnier than what

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Speaker 1: it was. And I said, and I told Vince Gilligan

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Speaker 1: about it. He was he was in the room doing

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Speaker 1: the directing, and he immediately cracked up and thought that

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Speaker 1: my version was better than than his, which was I

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Speaker 1: thought was pretty cool because he was, you know, such

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Speaker 1: a polished writer director and I bested him. Um but

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Speaker 1: any anyway, they didn't they didn't change it because you know,

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Speaker 1: they'd have to change too many things. But anyhow, that

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Speaker 1: was kind of fun. Um on the UFO thing a

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Speaker 1: two part question, and I'm sure it's been asked and

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Speaker 1: answered many times by many different people. But if we're

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Speaker 1: being visited, um, I don't see I mean, chart as

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Speaker 1: my personal view goes, I don't. I don't really understand

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Speaker 1: why any beings visiting us would go to such great

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Speaker 1: length to try to hide it from us. And then

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Speaker 1: the other part of that is if they're hiding from

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Speaker 1: we the people, but in contact with our government, you know,

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Speaker 1: why is our government so afraid of letting us in

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Speaker 1: on it? Always that big question, Nick, why don't they

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Speaker 1: want us to know? Well? I think the taking second

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Speaker 1: part first, I think it's to do with governments obviously

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Speaker 1: exist by projecting power and authority. So to acknowledge that

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Speaker 1: not only might there be things that they don't know,

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Speaker 1: but there might be things more powerful than them, I

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Speaker 1: think takes government to an uncomfortable and difficult place that

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Speaker 1: they don't want to go. To the first part of

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Speaker 1: the question, I would say it's probably the anthropological principle.

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Speaker 1: If being visited, clearly we're not going to have anything

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Speaker 1: to teach the extraterrestrials about science, technology, etc. But they

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Speaker 1: will be interested in US, I would think if they're

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Speaker 1: interested in US as an emerging civilization from a sort of,

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Speaker 1: as I say, an anthropological view, and that being the case.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I hate to use this phrase, but it's almost

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Speaker 1: like the Star Trek prime directive. The moment you land

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Speaker 1: on the White House lawn, the cats out of the

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Speaker 1: bag and you get this kind of cultural contamination. So

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Speaker 1: the only way to observe us in our natural form

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Speaker 1: is not to make that outright open contact. It would

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Speaker 1: seem next that the ancient aliens who visited us in

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Speaker 1: the past were a little more well known and didn't

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Speaker 1: seem to hide themselves as much. Well maybe that's because

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Speaker 1: in prehistory, if that theory is true, then we were

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Speaker 1: dealing with really civilizations that didn't have the kind of

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Speaker 1: interconnectivity that we have today. Didn't have you know, photography, video,

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Speaker 1: didn't have a media. So if something happened in a

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Speaker 1: particular location, it's not like it would be instantly known

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Speaker 1: all around the world and proven beyond reasonable doubt. It

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Speaker 1: would just be a story, an experience for people who

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Speaker 1: happened to be on the spot when something happened east

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Speaker 1: of the Rockies Brian and Indianapolis. Brian. Go ahead, Hey George,

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Speaker 1: good morning morning. Hey, I've apologize if this connection is bad.

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Speaker 1: It's like two above with the windchill of twenty two

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Speaker 1: below right now here, no doubt. Hey, Nick, it's an

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Speaker 1: honor to talk to you again, sir. Thank you. And

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Speaker 1: my wife loves your British accent, by the way. She's

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Speaker 1: kind of jealous that I've had the opportunity to talk

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Speaker 1: to you today. She's always There's a couple of questions.

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Speaker 1: While I was on hold here, the guy, the gentleman

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Speaker 1: before me kind of asked it, why is it so difficult,

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Speaker 1: h the for the federal government to under comprehend that

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Speaker 1: the George Nori's Army, the people that listen to the

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Speaker 1: show already understand that the eighth that the aliens have

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Speaker 1: already visited us. But here I got another question that

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Speaker 1: was even more important. What would what would if they

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Speaker 1: revealed that aliens have visited us, which they have, what

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Speaker 1: would it do to the world religions? Because I watched

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Speaker 1: an Old Age and Aliens show over the weekend and

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Speaker 1: that question was posed so what would it do to

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Speaker 1: the world religion if they would reveal that, yes, extraterrestrials

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Speaker 1: had visited us. And I'll take Manser off the air,

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Speaker 1: and George, I'm hoping to see you in Columbus on

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Speaker 1: mail left. Oh super Brian, you come up and introduce yourself.

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Speaker 1: Wife talked into its perfect perfect. We'll see you at

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Speaker 1: the meet and greet as well. But go ahead, Nick, Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: religion again, it's it's always at the forefront of what

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Speaker 1: people are perhaps most interested and sometimes concerned about. I

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Speaker 1: think there has been some research into this. Many of

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Speaker 1: the world's religions are thinking about how they would respond

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Speaker 1: to this, and they all say that they would be

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Speaker 1: robust enough to incorporate this new information. And I've heard Catholics,

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Speaker 1: for example, say things like, well, if we find these

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Speaker 1: alien life it will just prove that the glory of

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Speaker 1: God's creation is bigger and more expansive than we had

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Speaker 1: known previously, so no problem. But I've heard atheists say, well,

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Speaker 1: you say that, but wait till it happens. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's a classic case of no plan survives first

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Speaker 1: contact with the enemy. I think it will be a

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Speaker 1: challenging time for all the world's religions, in the Catholic

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Speaker 1: Church all so say that the belief in extraterrestrials does

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Speaker 1: not negate one's belief in God. Yes, yes they did.

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Speaker 1: The former director of the Vaticans, observator Valducci, before he

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Speaker 1: passed away, I met him. Actually, yes, Now let's see,

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Speaker 1: there was Carrado Monseigneur Carrado Balducci. But the person I

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Speaker 1: was referring to was Jose Fuens I think. But they all,

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Speaker 1: they both, and indeed other prominent people have said there

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Speaker 1: is no doctrinal objection to the existence of alien life

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Speaker 1: and indeed intelligent extraterrestrial life. But we'll see, we'll see

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Speaker 1: when it actually happens, how this unfolds. It may be

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Speaker 1: very different. They talk a good talk, but we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Florida's worth us first time caller, Stephen, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: thank you, General. Sure. My question is this, would you

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Speaker 1: please let me know a little bit more about the

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Speaker 1: demonic activity aspect of UFOs in the past with incidences.

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Speaker 1: I remember an event where in the northern border in

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Speaker 1: New Mexico where the government was tunneling into one of

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Speaker 1: their areas and there was a lot of things going

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Speaker 1: on where people got killed, and I was wondering if

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Speaker 1: you could relate to that in terms of what do

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Speaker 1: we know about demonic activity in UFOs. Well, it's again

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Speaker 1: almost another religious question. And it's interesting because there's a

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Speaker 1: passage in the Bible, I think it's Ephesians where it

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Speaker 1: refers to Satan and it describes him as I think

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Speaker 1: the quote goes the Prince of the power of the air.

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Speaker 1: And it's that quote that seems to have convinced a

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Speaker 1: number of fundamentalist Christians that FO activity is somehow demonic.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because lu Alizondo talks about some roadblocks

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Speaker 1: that he hit in the Pentagon with people who felt

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Speaker 1: this is this is demonic, We shouldn't be messing with

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Speaker 1: it because once you start interacting with it, you know,

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Speaker 1: you you feed it, so to speak. And there were

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Speaker 1: some similar problems in the British government too with that

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Speaker 1: kind of belief. I think it. My own view was

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Speaker 1: it got in the way of the more serious scientific

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Speaker 1: said it's demons. But that views out there, and again,

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