1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business of Sports, where in a situation 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: that we haven't dealt with in modern times, the pandemic 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: here has really accelerated the investments that we've been cavocating 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: for for a year. From a macro standpoint, I think 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: our sport industry is really forced to look at the 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: business a little bit differently. In depth conversations with the 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: leaders in the sports industry and he sport, there's a 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: good admiration we're still moving forward with part of something 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: much bigger than the sport right now, the health and 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: vandustry of our stakeholders a real smart important every moment. 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: I think we're all from a business respective thinking about 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: the impact that the virus is having across the country. 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: In Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio, Hi everyone, 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Kelly and I'm Mike Lynch, and this is 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast. We explored the big 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: money issues in the world of sports on the field 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: and off Today. A fantastic guest who has a lot 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: to talk about of late and across his widening portfolio, 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: talk about Super Bowl Champion and Dominican Sue and Dominican 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: really nice to have you with us, and congratulations, Thank 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: you very much. It's been a pleasure and I'm glad 22 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: to be back on on boom Berg. Yeah, well a 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: whirlwind for sure. Uh, talk to me first about before 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: we get into like the deep business stuff. I gotta 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: ask you, you know, winning your first ring, your first championship, 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: what does that mean for you sort of as an athlete? 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: And I guess what does it mean to you, you know, 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: in the context of the broader things that you're trying 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: to accomplish. Yeah, I think it means a world to 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: myself and my family. It's been something that we've been 31 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: driving for and for many many years. And obviously at 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: the older you get the tougher. It kind of gets 33 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: um just or from that particular window, depending on who 34 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: you are. And even though I feel like I got 35 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of time left to play 36 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL, Uh, it's it's something an ultimate goal 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: because I've been super blessed to have a ton of 38 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: individual accolades from all pros and Pro Bowls and things 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: of that nature, so it's it feels that much better 40 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: to win the ultimate team reward in the Super Bowl 41 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: Championship and Donicas Mike up in Boston. Really great to 42 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: talk with you. I've talked with so many NFL players 43 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: and they talked about the importance of having a ring 44 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: on their finger. Now you're a um super Bowl ring 45 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, and you're a guy who has multiple 46 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: business ventures, and they said it makes a huge difference 47 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: when you go to close a deal, when you go 48 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: in for a loan, when you go in to put 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: a group together, having that ring on your finger, it 50 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: just has a psychological impact. You've had yet to experience 51 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: that yet. But is that something that that am I 52 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: getting warm or getting hard on some type of idea here? Well, well, 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: I hope it's true, because I look forward to having 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: the opportunity to have those experiences now that I finally 55 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: accomplished that goal. Uh. And truthfully, I would imagine so 56 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: just thinking about realizing people saying, you're obviously a champion. 57 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: You understood the trials and tribulations to get to where 58 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: you are and and and found ways to to reach success. 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: And so I think the people out in the world 60 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: that say, all right, you're you're a champion in ways 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: you know how to be successful, and you're not going 62 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: to particularly spail in the endeavors that you choose to 63 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: do outside of this field. And so when you think 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: about putting together your portfolio, you know, as we've sort 65 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: of dug into it, it is evolved and widened over 66 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: the past few years, that's for sure. And as you 67 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: look at sort of your investments in the hospitality business 68 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: and consumer retail and uh, you're like so many people 69 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: out there and involved in a spack. We'll get into 70 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: all of that, but but give us the the overall 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: kind of ethos. What's the design as you think about 72 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: putting together Sue ink as it were, Yeah, Sue inc. 73 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: And And that's a great way to put it. It 74 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: is definitely broaden and gotten bigger and more ambitious over 75 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: the years, just from the standpoint of my exposure to 76 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: so many different things and the ability to understand that 77 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: I can help in a lot of different ways. And 78 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: that's where I really kind of pride myself. I went 79 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: to school for engineering, and I run to my family 80 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: with my dad being a mechanical engineer, uh, and I 81 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: was primarily focused on on the construction management side of things. 82 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what I'm getting into now and what 83 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: I have with my development company and real estate being 84 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: uh one of those pieces that I believe it's very 85 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: important in anybody's particular portfolio from the standpoint of generational wealth. Uh. 86 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: And then having aspirations in the hospitality world. I didn't 87 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: get this big without eating a bunch, so I feel 88 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: like I know food pretty well. Uh. And in addition 89 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: to that, I've got amazing partners that I work with 90 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: and find ways to be creative, to create different concepts, 91 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: as well as to be able to have just strong relationships. 92 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: You you mentioned being a part of this back which 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: I was very proud asn't having that opportunity to be 94 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: a part of fast Um with Doug Jacobsen and obviously 95 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: here soon with Tuman for Tita. So I'm excited about 96 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: all the opportunities that have been afforded to me, but 97 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: also at the same time, I know that I'm going 98 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: to continue to add value to each and every single 99 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: endeavor in my own particular way so they can reach 100 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: success and beyond. And Donica, now that you are a 101 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion, more people are going to be coming 102 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: at you with business ventures, uh, investment opportunities. How do 103 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: you filter the haves and the have nots and the 104 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: the phonies and the frauds from the real deals. That 105 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: is a great question. There's Uh, filtering through deals is 106 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: one of the most difficult things, especially when like I said, 107 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of exposure and my pipelines are 108 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: pretty deep. But um, when I look at it from 109 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: from my perspective, a lot of the deals that I 110 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: get involved in are either close relationships, whether that's in 111 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: Greasing Horowitz or General Atlantic or ELK Catherton or m 112 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: v P Marcy Adventure Partners with J. J. Brown and 113 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: JP so having those kind of as my core guys. 114 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: And then obviously from the real estate perspective, I've got 115 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: a great mentor and Gary Shiftman out of stunt communities 116 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: with a reet that he that's a public traded read 117 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: that's amazing and continue to grow at an astronomical standpoint. 118 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: And so those are kind of my core ways of 119 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: getting involved in certain particular deals. And and and then 120 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: as I take things inbound, uh, it's usually coming through 121 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: a vettage source and if it's not, then I really 122 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: just have the opportunity to have a team with me. 123 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: Well that's my my my counsel that I have in 124 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: the house and or uh, some of the different people 125 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: that I have that I work with on a day 126 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: to day basis. Uh, the top payers of the world. Uh. 127 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: And obviously a lot of people know my relationship with 128 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: Mr Buffett, so I get to doounce things off of 129 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: him as well. So just overall have a strong a 130 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: lot of connectivity to to be able to get through 131 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: things in different opportunit needs that come across my death 132 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: and Tom talk to me more about sort of the 133 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: private equity adventure capital side of this, because you have 134 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: distinguished yourself and in that regard, because I don't think 135 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 1: you know, we talked to a lot of athletes current 136 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: informer about their business empires and their relationships, but you know, 137 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: really locking into that investment asset class and in some 138 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: ways the growth equity in terms of g A and 139 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: and certainly VC with with Andrews and Horowitz. I mean, 140 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: these are gold plated names, some of the best in 141 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: the business. How did those relationships come about? And and 142 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: and how do you sort of cultivate them? Yeah, those relationships, 143 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: a lot of them come through. Uh. Really, I'll give 144 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: you the best example. I was playing at the time 145 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: in Miami and Mr Stephen Ross, one of our owners, 146 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: they're a great human being. Had the opportunity the first 147 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: time I was there to shadow Human Relay did so 148 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: I have a strong relationship there and that that expanded, 149 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: and he has strong relationships with Mr Ford UH for 150 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: General Atlantic, So I got to shadow him and build 151 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: and just learn from that perspective, and that's really how 152 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: that relationship cultivated. And moving over to Andres and I 153 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: got to meet one of the partners, they're a very 154 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: smart guy, and Jeff Jordan's and and sit in his 155 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: office and talk to him about a handful of different things. 156 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: And also had some other strong ties via Stanford that 157 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: connected me into those particular realms. And so it really 158 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: a lot of these relationships. I identify them and say, hey, 159 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: this this company has been doing tremendous to have a 160 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: tremendous track record. I want to understand how they're they've 161 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: gotten to that track record and really just go in 162 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: there from a learning perspective. And then obviously from that standpoint, 163 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: I built relationships with the different folks with with no 164 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: real agenda. And then obviously you have the opportunity later 165 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: on as you've gotten to know folks and they get 166 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: to know you and know that you're a real person 167 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: and really have the ability to not only be an 168 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: athlete work at nine, five or ten, tend to tend 169 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: to stix whatever it may be, but then on the 170 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: flip side, still be able to communicate, responding emails on 171 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: time and be able to maneuver during the normal working hours. 172 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: And for me, I really don't kind of sleep on 173 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: the weekends. For myself, I'm working on the weekends as well. 174 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: So just seeing that you're a real person and that 175 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: you're you're not I guess the typical athlete that just 176 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: kind of focuses on just their sport, which isn't anything 177 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: wrong with that, because football and or any basketball, any 178 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: other sport is very difficult. But I like to brother 179 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: my horizons and be able to expand and be able 180 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: to have a bigger workload and not something that might 181 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: I feel like my parents accorded to me. You know that, 182 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: That's the question I was just going to ask you. 183 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: No disrespect to many of your teammates, but well some 184 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: are sitting around the couch playing video games, your job, 185 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: shadowing your boss, Mr Ford, Mr Ross, and so what 186 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: did this curiosity to sharpen your business acumen. What are 187 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: the origins? I think you just tipped it off your parents, right, Yeah, 188 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: for sure my parents and my parents always taught me 189 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: really just the focus to be able to do whatever 190 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: you want to accomplish, you got to go out there 191 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: and get it on your own. And that's watching them 192 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: and hearing the stories of how they grew up my 193 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: mom from Jamaican, my dad from Cameroon, and then making 194 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: making their way over here to the US UH in 195 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: their own particular ways. I see it no different than 196 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: me being even first generation here. There's still a lot 197 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: of work for me, even though I was afforded a lot, 198 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: And so the curiosity truthfully came from them and just 199 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: watching myself grow up and cousin lawns as a little 200 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: kid for their rental apartment. And then as I've gotten 201 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: older and got into the league. Like I said, Jerry 202 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: Schiffman was my real heavy dose of real estate and 203 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: how I can expand and seeing all the different types 204 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: of markets of real estate, and got to sit in 205 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: his office and he really took me under his wing 206 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: and showed me how I could expand and grow outside 207 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: of football. At the same time, he always pushed me 208 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: to be very cognizant of my sport, make sure I 209 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: take your business there. But at the same time, you 210 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: you had the capacity to do other special things and 211 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: so that's really where I owe a lot to him, 212 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: let alone my parents as well. And so in Domican, 213 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: you know, tell us about the hospitality business because you know, you, 214 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: like the rest of us, have seen it just absolutely 215 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: crushed over the last year in this pandemic. What were 216 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: the decisions that you made or what are some of 217 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: the things that you saw. Um, you know, especially as 218 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: I think about the spack and and the merger with 219 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: Fertida that you mentioned earlier. You know, how are you 220 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: looking at the hospitality business right now? Yeah, the hospitality 221 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: businesses obviously took a major hit because of the pandemic, 222 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: and I think early on people saw a lot of 223 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: negative pieces. But I think when you have creative ideas 224 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: and great concepts, and you have the ability to be 225 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: nimble and flexible with understanding that people were getting tired 226 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: of cooking at home and and running to the store 227 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: first thing in the morning like my mother did, and 228 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: they're coming back before the huge rush came in, and 229 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: just to have their growth trades. People wanted to start 230 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: to eat out a little bit, but that eating outlooked 231 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: a lot different from you going into the particular restaurants 232 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: and more or less a lot of takeout, So you 233 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: gotta ramp with your takeout aspects. But then, just like 234 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: any other business or any other U silo, there's ebbs 235 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: and flows. It's gonna be they're gonna hit very high 236 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: peaks and they're just gonna be able to time to 237 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: come down. And if you can weather some of those storms, 238 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: especially if you look at the assets that Kilman hasn't 239 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: in some of those pieces, I think there's a lot 240 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: of great things that will are going to bounce back, 241 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: and it's just a matter of time and cultivating and 242 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: fine tuning them to get them focused for the consumer 243 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: and how they've kind of change and adapt and then 244 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: be able to come out ready to serve and and 245 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: and really be hospitable if I may. Yeah, it's it's 246 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: funny you you bring that up and don't because I 247 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: know the general Atlantic guys pretty well, and Bill Ford specifically, 248 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: and he and I've spent a ton of time talking 249 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: about torches tacos, you know, as like a great example 250 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: of that pretty substantial shift that they've had to make 251 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: to delivery and pick up, and I think all in 252 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: all they have not actually seen their business diminish, but 253 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: the shift in terms of on from his versus off 254 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: has obviously changed dramatically and may not sort of swing back. 255 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: So I would imagine that as you think about the 256 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: hospitality business and especially the food business, you sort of 257 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: you may have a different sort of to use the 258 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: term Lyncha used earlier, sort of a different filter as 259 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: you think about investments going forward, Yeah, no question. And 260 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: really when you look at it, it's like, do these 261 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: companies have the ability to do that and are willing 262 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: to change versus saying no, this is our mold. That 263 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: is the only way we're gonna kind of focus. And 264 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: then you look at drive through concepts in and you 265 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: find ways like how do I re make it look 266 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have probably a smaller indoor space and bigger 267 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: outdoor At least here in Portland, I know there's a 268 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: lot of outdoor opportunities with people. They've closed down streets 269 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: and the city has been very flexible with a lot 270 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: of different things. So just understanding the municipalities and how 271 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: they want to function when you want to dive in 272 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: a little bit deeper, uh and look from a high 273 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: level perspective, but then obviously look from a very focused 274 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: anticipation of how how things are going to particularly move 275 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: and where they're gonna move to and being able to 276 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: adjust to that. Alright in Dominica, I'll be the guy 277 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: talking about the elephant in the room. Since I'm up 278 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: here in Boston and we haven't brought up Tom Brady's 279 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: name once in the last seventeen minutes. His impact on 280 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: your team. Obviously we saw the final results. We saw 281 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: that you're a business guy. The bottom line is all 282 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: that counts. But getting to that bottom line, how much 283 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: of an integral part of the success of that team 284 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: was Tom Brady just changing culture and add anything that 285 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: we haven't been able to figure out for ourselves. Yeah, 286 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: I think Tom is it was a big part of it. 287 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: And I think especially from the offensive perspective and being 288 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: able to kind of come in there take the rain, 289 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: uh dial in those particular guys and how they wanted 290 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: to run the offense on that that side of the ball, 291 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: and really, when you look at Tampa, how I looked 292 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: at them when I moved When when I decided to 293 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: make a decision to move over there in twenty nineteen. 294 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: That team was loaded with talent Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, 295 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: Road Joe, and then you add all the additional pieces 296 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: with obviously growing Tom a d Leonard four Nette, and 297 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: then you turn around and look at our defense and 298 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: having number one rush defense, and then obviously we struggled 299 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: in and passed from the perspective our our our our 300 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: young guys just needing to grow up a little bit, 301 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: which they did menace drib and I'm proud of each 302 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: and every one of them on the back end, uh. 303 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: And that's why we got to where we were of 304 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: being able to win the championship. The talent was there, 305 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: it was just about about cultivating it, putting it together, 306 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: and everybody getting on the same page. And those were 307 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: continuous conversations that we have as veterans from myself what 308 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: Tom brings, because the obviously has expertise of winning championships 309 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: and being able to infiltrate the entire team collectively as 310 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: a veteran group and making sure everybody from the dig 311 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: three men on the roster to the number one guy 312 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: on the roster, everybody's on the same page and be 313 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: A did an amazing job at that and so that's 314 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: where I think we found our success and we that's 315 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: where we're fortunate enough to get to where we are, 316 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: uh and be able to play for a championship, let 317 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: alone win it. So I know you're in the midst 318 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: of a lot of delicate decision making, and uh, we 319 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: will be respectful of that. But you know, talk to 320 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: us a little bit about the business of you know, 321 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: sort of the football business side of Sue inc. As 322 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: it were, and how you approach in general sort of 323 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: contract negotiations thinking about your career, because that obviously is 324 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: is a big part of the broader business of you Yeah, 325 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: without question, and I enjoyed the business side of football 326 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: and really have taken a big liking to it, especially 327 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: before I moved to Miami. I took the my third 328 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: fourth in the fifth year in Detroit to really start 329 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: to understand the contracts, the different pieces from that perspective, 330 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: also understanding the cap, also understanding cash over cap and 331 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: teams being able to be flexible, uh if they really 332 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: want you, um in finding ways to do it. And 333 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: so it's just a matter of, uh, if the stars 334 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: want to be a line they can be a line 335 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: and it's about people understanding working together to to create that. 336 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: And so the more educated I got throughout the process 337 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: of being more involved with my agents and they now 338 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: being in a position to where I can represent myself 339 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 1: U is really exciting. And from my perspective, contracts are 340 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: are no different than any other business deal. It just 341 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: happens to be in the sports realm versus in the 342 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: in the real estate realm or hospitality realm or anything. 343 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: They're all the same, and it's about crafting something that 344 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: fits for both sides, uh, and making sure that both 345 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: sides can be happy with what was agreed upon. Doncan 346 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: when you're in season, how do you find time to 347 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: be such a business entrepreneur and also be an all 348 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: pro caliber football player? Because we all know that the 349 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: football once the camp starts in July, it's a it's 350 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: a six or seventh month commitment. You block out one 351 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: day a week. Will you just say, Okay, this is 352 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: my time I'm going to be talking with you know, 353 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: Gary Schiffman or somebody else about some of my investments. 354 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: I mean, how how do you discipline yourself? Yeah? I 355 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: think you said that they're perfectly It's discipline, but let 356 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: alone a great ability to compartmentalize things. And so for 357 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: me Mondays and Tuesdays, I'm really heavy on on business 358 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: and really have the opportunity to take phone calls UH 359 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: as well as zooms or whatever it may be in 360 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: this particular day and age. And then obviously from a 361 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: football perspective, it's really Wednesday through Sunday, but we have 362 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: times throughout the day where we have periods UM like 363 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: we usually for our team, particular team in Tampa, when 364 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: we're done with practice, we probably got an hour and 365 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: a half to our window before we start meetings again. UH, 366 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: individual needs to watch practice to them things like it. 367 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: So I'll take calls between that time frame or on 368 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: the way home, can throw on UM on my bluetooth 369 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: on the in the car and listen to a call 370 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: or take a call whatever it may be. And obviously 371 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: have time in afternoons outside the treatment, which typically happens 372 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: for me on Thursdays and UH in Friday. So I 373 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of flexibility and some people understanding 374 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: I'll take calls on Saturday because on Saturdays we're in 375 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: the office for a short amount of time. It's usually 376 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: unless unless we're traveling, and even when we're traveling can 377 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: be flexible. We're usually just in Saturdays from eight o'clock 378 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: in the morning to eleven and I we got the 379 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: whole rest of the afternoon to do things, uh if 380 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: I if I still choose or catch up on an emails. 381 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: So I think people realize that, yes, football has is very, 382 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 1: very demanding, but at the same time, we do have 383 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: a good amount of off time where you can be 384 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 1: very suplexible, and especially people understanding that you do have 385 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: a main job, they work around your schedule as well, 386 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: and can I mean, it's interesting this sort of takes 387 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: us back to to the beginnings as we wrap up 388 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: to to some extent, but you know, you talked about 389 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: your own evolution across eleven years in the league. It 390 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: does feel like, and I think Linda would agree that 391 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: we have seen an acceleration in terms of the business 392 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: acumen and the business ambition of a lot of pro athletes, 393 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: not the least of which you know in the NFL. 394 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: You think about some of your teammates, you know both 395 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: in Tampa, the aforementioned Mr Brady and others, uh, you 396 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: know who who become very serious about their businesses while 397 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: they were playing. This is not the days anymore of 398 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna play and and then after that, 399 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: I'm going to worry about, you know, being being a businessman. 400 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: What do you think, you know, as you've talked to people, 401 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: sort of precipitated that why did that happen for you? 402 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: And why has it seemed to have happened? More broadly, 403 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: as we look at pro athletes, I think there's there's 404 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: a two prong approach on this, and it's one of 405 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: the two sidles in my particular opinion. One is kind 406 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: of a focus of guys saying, hey, I want to 407 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: have the ability to do with marketing deals and earn 408 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: equity and do different things from that perspective, which is 409 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: typical in the off season for guys to do, especially 410 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: being able to do it with smaller companies and kind 411 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: of use their name and lightness from that aspect, but 412 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: more so for myself because I've kind of pushed away 413 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: a little bit for marketing, even though I still enjoy 414 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: and enjoy doing it and having fun with it as well, 415 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: and being able to have some of those relationships and 416 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: and continue to grow. But also I want to be 417 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: able to have something. As soon as I decide I 418 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: want to be done playing football, I want to roll 419 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: right into my next gig and not really have a 420 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: low period, or if I choose to have a little 421 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: bit of low period, my decision and kind of things 422 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: are already on autopilot outside, so I don't have to 423 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: kind of worry about what's my next focused in life 424 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: after I get done playing football, because I think that's 425 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: where you see a lot of people struggle and where 426 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: they have issues with family as well as just financially. 427 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: They don't really they didn't really have a plan leaving 428 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: the game or the sport and saying all right, I'm 429 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: gonna transition into this, and that's where things usually fall 430 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: through the crack and there's a lot of struggling until 431 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: obviously get back on their feet. And so I think 432 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: that was my one of my main focuses. It's like 433 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: football can be taken away from me at any point 434 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: in time, God forbidden any particular injury or anything of 435 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: that nature. But I want to be able to have 436 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: a plan and I want to be able to use 437 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: my brain to eventually be more successful office field than 438 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: I was on the field. And Demaka, thank you so much. 439 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: It was really great to catch up with you. Congratulations 440 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: again on the big win and and congratulations even more 441 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: widely on on all the success you've had. It was 442 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: really cool to kind of dig into this ever expanding 443 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: portfolio and you are far from done. It's sounds like 444 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: both on the field, uh and off, So it's it's 445 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: nice to see, uh, that ambition really take hold. So 446 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: we we appreciate you spending some time with us. No, 447 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: it's always a pleasure to talk to you guys, and 448 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: I look forward to another opportunity here in the future. 449 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: And thank you again. It's it's been amazing to be 450 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: able to be a champion. I'm gonna soak you up 451 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: for the next three or four months and then pass 452 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: it on to the family, let them take all the 453 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: honor and hopefully have an opportunity to win another one. Yeah, 454 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: there you go. Well, you guys are odds on, odds on, 455 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: You're looking good. This is the Blueberg Business of Sports podcast. 456 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Kelly. You can follow me on Twitter at 457 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: Jason Kelly News and now Mike Lynch. That was a 458 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: fascinating interview. 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