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Speaker 1: How's everybody doing on this rainy drive here in Los Angeles?

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Speaker 1: Beautiful rainy day. It's awesome. Um, I have a new baby,

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Speaker 1: cousin you. Yes, my cousins who I have been very

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Speaker 1: my gosh, you have either one of those. Imagine if

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Speaker 1: they named their baby Eastern, and we how a wonderful

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Speaker 1: dear super fan Easton Allen on our podcast that any

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Speaker 1: It's not like hard to pronounce her right when you're

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Speaker 1: Eastern on our show is the first Eastern I've met. Same,

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Speaker 1: That's how I felt. And yet similarly to the way

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Speaker 1: which is like, it's unique, it's strong, but it's not

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Speaker 1: so I would have been Sierra Strong. And my dad

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Speaker 1: a question for you, Danielle, about your that maybe you

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Speaker 1: So what does that mean? What does that relation? Is

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Speaker 1: you know you do that too. I never know a

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Speaker 1: second cousin twice removed. I don't. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: for like will exactly. My kids call my cousins aunt

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Speaker 1: my kids and their kids are cousins. Okay, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: never we never I do that same thing in our family.

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Speaker 1: It's like, all right, so my cousins kids. Second, if

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Speaker 1: it's your second cousin, cousin, Yeah, right, my understanding. But okay,

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Speaker 1: That's the thing about those ancestries and twenty three and me,

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Speaker 1: It's like it isn't my friend. It's like I once

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Speaker 1: learned from a TV show that you don't have Walker

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Speaker 1: it just happened? Official official bid to when Pod Meats

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Speaker 1: Official bid to rewatch, not even reach just to watch

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Speaker 1: to We've got to do that. That sounds about right. Well,

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Speaker 1: Walker Texas podcasts are coming up next. Yes, welcome to

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Speaker 1: I was so used to it, and it's like, well,

425
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: no means we're talking. I'll come back tomorrow, maybe your

426
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: circumstances will have changed, or maybe you'll be in a

427
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: better mood. And so I'm great. You know, things in

428
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: life that are difficult at the time they can really

429
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: be gifts. Yeah, I need to take that quote. That's

430
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: an amazing quote. No means we're talking. Yeah, that's a

431
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: great quote because it's it's true, you're still in the conversation.

432
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: We're still talking, and you can call back like, hey,

433
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: help me learn what is it about these great socks

434
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: that you don't want in your retail store? Because I

435
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: think they're pretty awesome and I think we'd be a

436
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: good fit. So yeah, you you persevere, You persevere. And

437
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: in the beginning, we were in a handful of sporting

438
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: goods stores. We were in Big five. We um, as

439
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: you said, Daniel, we were at Kmart and they we

440
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: were selling our socks there. It's like wow, okay, and

441
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: the CEO called me in and you know, you having

442
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: young children, you'll understand this. He uh, he says to

443
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: me that your socks are a blowout. I was like, oh, no, youngest,

444
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: that you don't want to blow out. The product is

445
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: moving out faster than it's coming in. So they asked

446
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: for exclusivity. Our brand grew, and you know, it was

447
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: when we started, it was an adventure. I mean we

448
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: and it's like we just did what we had to do.

449
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: We slept in airports to save money when we had to,

450
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: and it really wasn't a big deal. You know. It's

451
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, that's a bold investment. It's not a sacrifice.

452
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: And it did lead to selling that hundred million par

453
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: of socks. But um, you know our as our company

454
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: grew so many lessons. Oh my goodness, I mean so many.

455
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: I've learned so many lessons the hard way, and one

456
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: of them was depending on one client for UM. At

457
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: this point in time, we had thirty seven team members

458
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: on our payroll and UH, and that company let it

459
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: be known that it was filing bankruptcy and it was like,

460
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. And then the bank who I'd always

461
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: met with a bank and shared my business plan and

462
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: let them know, you know, growth and every just what

463
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: we were doing UM and for me that our team

464
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: was entirely responsible for the liability and if this didn't

465
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: work out, they could take away our homes. And so

466
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: there we were in debt. Starting over, pulled a lot

467
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: of twenty four sevens. But you know, I worked with

468
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: amazing people and UM and it's it's really awesome when

469
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: you know everybody can be lovely when things are going well,

470
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: but when you're going through the tough times, when you

471
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: go through those fires in life, it's the people who

472
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: you know take your hand and they go right through

473
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 1: that fire with you. You come out stronger, you come

474
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: out better. Kathy, I want to ask you because a

475
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: lot of our podcasts ended up being talking about our

476
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: experience sort of as child actors, coming from our backgrounds

477
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: and then finding ourselves on this TV show and suddenly famous.

478
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: And it sounds like, you know, you likewise came from

479
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: a sort of humble beginnings, you know, your paper route,

480
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: and and it sounds like you kind of fell into modeling.

481
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: And we haven't talked about what was that, like, I mean,

482
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: what was what was the modeling world like for you

483
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: at at seventeen? Was it just overwhelming? Did you did

484
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: you find friends? Or was it just always this crazy

485
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: scary place that you were so ready to get away from? Um?

486
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: It was kind of crazy scary. Um, it was different,

487
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: it was. I mean, I'm grateful I met some amazing people, uh,

488
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: including oh my goodness, my dear precious friend Julie Campbell.

489
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: She was the founder of the Sports Illustrated swisuit issue.

490
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: And Julie went to heaven just about a week ago.

491
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: I got to be with her on her farm just

492
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: six days prior. But she continued just to be such

493
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: an inspiration, a strong woman. Um. But in answer to

494
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: your question, writer, I mean, first of all, I mean

495
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: all of you I've uh you know, I read about you.

496
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: I being your interviews and writer. You've been so open

497
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: and honest about insecurities you had. I mean you talked

498
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: about like your skin or something. I mean when I

499
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: saw you was like, oh my god, they're all so beautiful.

500
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: Kids are so beautiful. Um. You know, so other people

501
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: don't see that, but I know what that feels like

502
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: to you know. For me and modeling, I think because

503
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't my goal, there was a freedom in that.

504
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: So it's like if it didn't work out, it's like final,

505
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: do something else for a living, you know, like Mom

506
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: kind of taught me. So that helped me to not compromise.

507
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: I have to say, there's a lot of choices I

508
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: made back then that I wouldn't make today. You know,

509
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: you you know better, you do better, and it's all

510
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: part of life and growth and and everything. You know.

511
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: Hopefully we continue to do that always. Yet that that

512
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: gave me strength. My faith gave me great strength to

513
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: um because it didn't really matter, you know, like if

514
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: God is with us, who can be against us. I

515
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: didn't really care what other people thought of me. If

516
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 1: they didn't like me, that was okay, it's fine, you know,

517
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: it's all right. And I remember early in my career,

518
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: I was in Paris and they had something called the

519
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: Hope Culture Fashion, that's the high fashion, and everybody was

520
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: waiting for this designer dress to arrive at the studio.

521
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: The dress arrives and it was so ugly. I mean

522
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: it was just ugly, and everybody was silent, and then

523
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: the hair and the makeup people, the art directors of

524
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: like one by one they said, oh, it's fabulous, it's gorgeous,

525
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: you know. They were just all these beautiful adjectives, and

526
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: I was just looking at everybody like, yeah. I just

527
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: didn't say anything because my mom said, you don't have

528
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: anything nice to say, don't say anything else, Okay, But

529
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: it really was a great moment. It was like the

530
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: Emperor's new clothes. And I just thought, all right, Um,

531
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: first of all, I don't feel really comfortable earning my

532
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: paycheck off how someone else perceives that I look, Um,

533
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't feel really secure. So uh that that was important.

534
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: And I also recognize that whatever somebody thinks of me,

535
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: if I hear a compliment or a criticism, I'm going

536
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: to remember that and I'm going to take it with

537
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: a big grain of salt. And ultimately it doesn't really matter.

538
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: And I have to say, you know, a good lesson

539
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: when I was thirty seven, you know, in the midst

540
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: of our business and everything, and some people would say, Oh,

541
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: it's because you know you had this modeling career, blah

542
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: blah blah. I think it opened some doors, um, but

543
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: unfortunately those were doors of curiosity. They kind of wasted

544
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: each other's time. They didn't take my ideas as CEO seriously.

545
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: But when I was thirty seven, our our son was

546
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: was little and he had this wagon on. We have

547
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: a brick circular driveway, and my husband's pushing him around

548
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: on this wagon and I was like, that looks like fun.

549
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: I want to do it. And my sense of adventure

550
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: outweighs my grace and so I'm standing in the wagon.

551
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm holding like the steering stick and I'm telling my

552
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: husband to push me around the driveway like that. I

553
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: was wagon surfing and it was really funny. I'm trying

554
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: to go faster, faster, and then I see my my

555
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: parked car and I overcorrected my turn and I just

556
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: did a Thames plant, like I don't my hat where

557
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: to help mac on my face. My husband who was

558
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: always so calm. I mean your doctor who's just like

559
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: so calm, and so he starts praying because I think, Okay,

560
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: I guess I'm in trouble. Um. Anyway, it was my

561
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: I look like a monster. I mean I was fine.

562
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: Obviously there was a fear that, you know, blow to

563
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 1: the head could have been fatal and all of that.

564
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: I was fine, but my face was a mess. Our

565
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: son was all excited, like, Mom, you look like a monster.

566
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Will you hear my friends? This is just just a little

567
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: and she was crying because she didn't think I was

568
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: a monster. But during that time, our company experienced its

569
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: biggest surge of growth, So nobody could say that it

570
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: was dependent upon what I looked like. It wasn't nice. Wow,

571
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: wear a helmet, kids, don't serve your wagons wear a helmet,

572
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: maybe a full bubble suitor or don't wagons. Sometimes you

573
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: just got a wagon surf. It's just the way it is.

574
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: It's really fun. Who were some of your mentors that

575
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: you had that or the people you relied on during

576
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: that time? Uh, you know, I mean early on my

577
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: mom and dad, and I mean talk about entrepreneur my mom.

578
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: The ultimate um just amazing. She raised three daughters. She

579
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean avon lady babysitting business, housekeeping business in the seventies,

580
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: and she made all our clothes and she would make

581
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: these halter dresses and I'd make jewelry and we'd sell

582
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: them at art fairs on the beach. I mean, there

583
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: was like and then she went back to school to

584
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: become a nurse. So I just saw her. She could

585
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: do anything, and it's like, Okay, this doesn't work out,

586
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this, and nothing

587
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: would would stop her. And my dad worked with the

588
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: labor relations with farm workers specifically, so as a kid,

589
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: we were not allowed to eat grapes. Dad did rallies

590
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: with says her chavo As. And that's where like the

591
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: how became so important to me. Like as a little girl,

592
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: I was very aware of exploitations of people, and how

593
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: people are treated has always been at the forefront of

594
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: my mind and of the utmost importance. And so that's

595
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: why those surprise factory inspections. It's something that continues today.

596
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: Our company has invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in

597
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: our human rights contracts um and it is I mean,

598
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: it breaks my heart to think of children who are

599
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: caught in sex trafficking. And it first became aware of

600
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: it in the days of modeling, although I didn't know

601
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: the name for it um. And frequently when human beings

602
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: are no longer profitable in the sex slave trade, they're

603
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: sold into forced labor, and unlike drugs, human beings can

604
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: be sold over and over and over again. And that's

605
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: why even though we don't own any factories and we

606
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: don't manufacture ourselves, because we work with others who do.

607
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: That's why it's so important. And when we look at

608
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: John China and the weaker people and the atrocities that

609
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: are happening, and it's just so important, you know, we

610
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: just do what we can and shine a light if

611
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: we find abuses going on, and do everything we can

612
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: to make a change. That's amazing. It's also so important

613
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: for the consumer to really know where your product is

614
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: coming from. I mean, it's not just about the you know,

615
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: and that's with every aspect. When it comes down to

616
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: the food we're eating, when it comes down to the

617
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: clothes we're wearing, when it comes down to the technology

618
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: we're using, it's it's on us to to have some

619
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: idea of what it goes in to get these products. UM.

620
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: So it's it's amazing that you're you're going above and

621
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: beyond to make sure that everything is is not only

622
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: on the up and up, but trying to change, you know,

623
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: different aspects of the industry that's out there. Is so admirable.

624
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: But it's on us too. I mean, you've gotta you know,

625
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: we go in and we buy something at a store

626
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: and you walk away and you don't think about it

627
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: ever again. And you can't always do that. You know,

628
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: You've got to make sure that you kind of know

629
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: where your stuff is coming from. So that's incredible. Well,

630
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the documentary you've produced,

631
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: but before I get to it, I have a totally

632
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: selfless question, not selfless, selfish. I have a selfish selfish question,

633
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: absolutely the opposite of selfless. It's actually totally UM. I

634
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: have a very small company. You are so inspirational to me.

635
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: I have a very small company that I started at

636
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: the very end of two thousand nineteen that is a

637
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: hair care company called be Free by Daniel Fishel and

638
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: thank you. We are currently a total of four people,

639
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: very small and UM. I guess podcast exclusive. We just

640
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: did a deal to launch on QVC next month on January,

641
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: and I am so cited about it. It It was like

642
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: one of my goals from the moment I started the company.

643
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: But I would just love to know what is some

644
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: of your advice for female entrepreneurs and business owners like myself. Well,

645
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: first of all, Danielle, congratulations and AM so excited for you.

646
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: That's amazing, That is amazing. So my advice to you

647
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: be authentic, be yourself, and something. I don't know what

648
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: it is about women, but frequently women end up selling

649
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: their companies, their businesses, everything that they pour their hearts

650
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: and souls into. And people have different reasons for wanting

651
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: to do that. Yet it's um, it's just it's hard

652
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: to see because I know what it is to build

653
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: a brand. It's hard work. It's really hard work. So

654
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: I get to love what you do, Okay. I mean

655
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: amazing amazing women, um from you know, Martha Stewart, Donna,

656
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: Karen Um, you know at Kate Spade and that I

657
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: mean such a tragedy in her life. I mean brilliant,

658
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: amazing women. UM And I'd see it more than I

659
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: see um men selling their their businesses. So I just

660
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: encourage you, uh to to build it carefully, to build

661
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: it well, and to retain control of it so you know,

662
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: as as people come in and help you and build it,

663
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: retain control so that it can represent your values, what

664
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: you want it to be, and that other people don't

665
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: own your name and don't own your reputation. So just um,

666
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, protect it, be really protective, and and take

667
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: your time when you're bringing in new people, you know,

668
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: really really take your time to let them to get

669
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: to know them. Our team is, I mean, we're really

670
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: verse in every way including thought, and it makes for

671
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: some great debates, um, but when it comes to what's

672
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: really important how people are treated, we're on the same page.

673
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: Great wonderful advice, Thank you and very good point. You're right, um,

674
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: thank you. My hair Caroline, not for you at all

675
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: by Wilford l did not do well it listen. If

676
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: it didn't, it wasn't on you will definitely not. It's

677
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: just it's finding the right partners, you know. Thank you.

678
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: So please tell us about the documentary that you have

679
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: produced called Anxious Nation, because I mean just the title

680
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: of that speaks to all of us here. So uh,

681
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: tell us, well, thank you, and you know what, and

682
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: you all I just love that you're so transparent and

683
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: genuine and well, you've talked about this a lot, and

684
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: it helps so many people. When you talk about it,

685
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: you let people know they're not alone, and it removes

686
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: any kind of perceived you know, stigma or shame that

687
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: some he would have. So uh. Laura Morton is a

688
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: twenty one time New York Times best selling author and

689
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: Vanessa Roth is an Academy Award winning director, and they

690
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: directed and wrote Anxious Nation, and it is about um,

691
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: the epidemic of anxiety that is impacting our youth. And

692
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: so when I learned about this is like this is

693
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: I've served on boards of education and continue to for

694
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: over twenty five years, been involved in mentoring programs with

695
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: children around the globe for over thirty years. UM one

696
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: of the co founders of a school in our community,

697
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: and children are so close to my heart. I have

698
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: never experienced a time when it's been more difficult to

699
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: be a kid or an old person. I mean, it's

700
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: just hard. Life is hard. And uh, what I love

701
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: about this documentary so I'm personally presenting it because I've

702
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: believe in it, and our company is UM Executive Producing

703
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: because we all believe in it and recognize it's helping people.

704
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: And it follows several young people and their lives and

705
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: their parents, and also people in the medical field who

706
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: UM just offer some great insight. And it's not about

707
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: necessarily healing people from this yet, I believe it brings

708
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: a lot of hope. Everybody's got a different story. Um.

709
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: You know, we're all different, everyone's unique. Yet it really

710
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: helps families to know that they're not alone, and it

711
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of healing there. It's powerful, it's really

712
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: well done, and I'm so proud of these kids who

713
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: are in it. UM. Laura Morton White, I told you

714
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: about the author. She's in this with her daughter, and

715
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: everybody is so candid, they're so open, they're so honest,

716
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: and I believe it will help people everywhere. That's amazing. Yeah.

717
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: The when it comes to the anxiety that when I

718
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: got hit with my disorder, I was twenty one, UM,

719
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: and it just cut my legs out from under me.

720
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: Changed my whole life. Happened in the middle of boy

721
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: meats world, and I went from instantly loving what I

722
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: did to it being the scariest thing. I had to

723
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: do it in a heartbeat. And the thing that helped

724
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: me more and I you know, you deal with your triggers,

725
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: and you deal with how you have to figure out

726
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: how you're going to navigate the world. But the thing

727
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: that helped me more than anything else was talking about it.

728
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: So the idea that more people are talking about it,

729
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: it's out there in the public more. It's a discussion

730
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: that now you. I always tell people the second you

731
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: say to you're sitting around a table with eight people

732
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: and you say, oh, I deal with an anxiety disorder,

733
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: at least three other people say so do I. Um.

734
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: It's just such a common thing. And one of the

735
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: things that makes it so horrible is you keep it

736
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: inside and you are you start to what I call

737
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: it what everybody calls, but I really call the spiral

738
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: where you're just in your head and then you can't sleep,

739
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: and then not sleeping is one of your triggers. So

740
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: it gets worse and you don't talk about it anymore.

741
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: And so anybody who shines a light on it as

742
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: much as possible is a wonderful thing. And I think

743
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: it is hitting kids more than anybody else. And harder

744
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: than anybody else right now. And I have my opinion,

745
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: which is that there's a direct correlation between the amount

746
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: of anxiety in our society and the rise of social media.

747
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: Um but that's a personal opinion. I'm sure they'll do

748
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: the science on it. But the longer that children are

749
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: on these devices and they are sitting there and staring

750
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: at everybody who has a quote unquote better life than them,

751
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: and there's online bullying and cyber bullying, and everybody has

752
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: an opinion and not everybody's nice you're then that's your

753
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: outlook on the world completely changes. So I always say

754
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: the three things that I did that helped me with

755
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: my anxiety more than anything we're talking about it, died

756
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: in exercise, and erasing all my social media. Um So,

757
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: it's so wonderful when such influential people like yourself and

758
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: like the author and director that you were talking about,

759
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: really shine a light on on what's going on, because

760
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: it is. It's it's everywhere, and the more you talk

761
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 1: about it, the better it gets. It's one of those

762
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: things where it really is, let's talk about it. There's

763
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 1: no stigma about it at all, sitting there and saying,

764
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, what give me one second. I'm having a

765
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, I deal with anxiety. I just need to

766
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: take a breath. No one looks at you crazy anymore.

767
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: You just go They go, all right, no problem, and

768
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: then you move on. And so it's, yeah, this is

769
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: great to hear that you're doing this, Like, I really

770
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: can't wait to see this. I love what you just said,

771
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: and I want to I'm going to share that with

772
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: with so many people because it's so helpful. It's so

773
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: so helpful and um, and I think also is recognizing that,

774
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, I tell people, don't worry about what somebody

775
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: else thinks of you. Don't let someone else his opinion,

776
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, define you or destroy you. I mean, don't

777
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: let anybody put you in a box and way too

778
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: odd shaped. I don't fit anybody's box. But um, it's

779
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: it's just no, thank you for that. That's really powerful. Um.

780
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: But I have to say to all of you, it

781
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: is such a joy to spend this time with you.

782
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm so proud. And I didn't think it's like, oh

783
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: my god, they see so many people. I had a

784
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: little TV guest spot on their show and every weekase

785
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: that's abody knew so You're so kind and and I

786
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: was just so happy to learn about this and to

787
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: be invited. You are beloved in every generation, um from mine,

788
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: my mom's um, and our children, our son Eric and

789
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: his wife Bethany there two little grand are two little

790
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: grand babies now, and our daughters Lily and Chloe. I mean,

791
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: everybody loves you, guys, and I think you're you're you're

792
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: so talented at what you do, and I think people

793
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: love you because you're genuine into panga. Chloe, our youngest,

794
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: she's like when she saw you One Girl Meets World,

795
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, my goodness, were beautiful. It's even more beautiful.

796
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: Thank you. So I told her I was doing this,

797
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: um they she thought that, you know, we were going

798
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 1: to be in the same physical space. So anyway, well

799
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: please give her a hug for me, and and thank

800
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: you for everything you said. Obviously the same can be

801
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: said for you. We've we are just so honored to

802
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: have you here, and we have such fond memories of

803
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 1: the week you spent with us on boy Meats World,

804
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: and um, I really I just I can't thank you

805
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: enough for being here and and educating us. And you know,

806
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see anxious nation. And I'm going

807
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: to take your business advice and I'm going to remember

808
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: it forever because, um, you are somebody I so look

809
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: up to. So thank you again. Well you you be

810
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: in touch. If there's anything I can do to help you,

811
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: let me know, and I'm going to be watching for

812
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: you on QBC. We just started after speaking with him

813
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: for decades, we just started selling our designs on HS

814
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: and our underwear and they are such great people. I'm

815
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: loving it. The customers, the connection, so you are going

816
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: to It's going to be fantastic for you. And I'm

817
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: really excited for you. We really waited for us until

818
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: um we had the right it had it had to

819
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: be right for our customers, the right product, right price

820
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: to value ratio, all of that. But I'm so excited

821
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: for you and we'll be shopping. Thank you so much.

822
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: Thank you you too. Bye bye. Oh my gosh, she's

823
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: a legend. She lecturing, I mean, just so inspiring all

824
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: the way around. That was amazing. She is a an

825
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: absolute pro. How come I feel like she's been following

826
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: us for thirty years? Does she does she really know

827
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: us that? Well? She does have kids and then she

828
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: has grandkids. So you know, I'm sure the show was

829
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: around in her life and she probably got you know,

830
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: they probably kept bringing up here you were on that show. Mom.

831
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was just the thing. I thought for

832
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: sure she was going to be like, who are you people?

833
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: But in a nice way. You know, she's obviously professional.

834
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: But I mean she knew without having to even look

835
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: at our zoom names. She knew exactly who we were.

836
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: She knew things about things we've talked about. Right, she

837
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: knew you had talked about anxiety over your skin. Well,

838
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: she knew you had a mental health thing with anxiety.

839
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: That was amazing. I also have never in my entire

840
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: life I felt like I was sitting in a crappier

841
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: room than I do right now. You want a Christmas

842
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: tree behind you, like entire time, Like, why does it

843
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: look like I'm in some weird guys basement writing notes

844
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: behind me for one of my projects. I've got a

845
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: bed back and beyond curtain right here to block the window. So, yeah,

846
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: she was in a Hallmark movie and we were we

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Speaker 1: were in closets. But also, I know this is going

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Speaker 1: to sound almost don't even want to say this because

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Speaker 1: it's so the antithesis of everything she was just talking about.

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Speaker 1: But she hasn't aged, Like I don't want to bring

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Speaker 1: it up, make it about her looks at all, but

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Speaker 1: she hasn't. She hasn't aged. She's incredible, incredible. Yeah, just wow, wow,

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Speaker 1: what a healthy, healthy person, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like whenever she when she's able to talk about her

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Speaker 1: insane success as a model, which would have been enough

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Speaker 1: for most people, and in the way that she's able

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Speaker 1: to talk about that is just sort of the beginning

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Speaker 1: of a journey and then making all of this money

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Speaker 1: and selling all of these these products and expanding to

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Speaker 1: this like worldwide empire, but still talking about it in

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Speaker 1: terms of just a sort of personal journey, Like it's

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Speaker 1: not about how much money she's made, it's about challenging

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Speaker 1: herself and learning from rejection and just you know, it's

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Speaker 1: helping other people, like helping other people. Yeah, it's just yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just seems it's so clear that she sort of

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Speaker 1: I love how she continued to talk about because we

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Speaker 1: we get we get this a lot um. She continued

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Speaker 1: to talk about her parents, how her parents were such

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Speaker 1: a force in her life, and how that's you know,

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Speaker 1: that sets the stage for you know, where you're gonna

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Speaker 1: go for good or for bad. It kind of sets

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Speaker 1: the stage and and the idea that you know. She

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Speaker 1: kept kind of referring to that and giving her the strength.

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Speaker 1: The other thing going through my head was there's somebody

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Speaker 1: out there right now who has a rock painted by

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Speaker 1: Cathy Ireland doesn't and doesn't know it was like this

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Speaker 1: this little artist. So but that was that was a

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Speaker 1: truly inspiring conversation. That was That was incredible, It really was.

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Speaker 1: That was great. Yea, we gotta have her on for

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Speaker 1: the Walker Texas Ranger recap to her know, if she's

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Speaker 1: the pro we think she is, she would come in

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Speaker 1: and just like thing about this episode of Walker exactly

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Speaker 1: episode two, season three, Oh cats me out. Yes, this

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Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, everyone knows that season twenty four

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Speaker 1: of Walker Texas Ranger is the best season. She would

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Speaker 1: she would have it nailed, and oh man, that was

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Speaker 1: that was great. That was really cool. That was really fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that that we got to have her on. Well,

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