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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Networks Roll. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: am John Schmelk. Today we're gonna be joined by Chad Ryder,

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Speaker 1: who does a great job covering the NFL and the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft for NFL dot Com. But first, folks, we're

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Speaker 1: about a month out now to the NFL Draft at

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Speaker 1: the end of April, comes a little bit earlier this year,

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Speaker 1: so just stay tuned. For the next three or four weeks,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be rolling out a bunch of draft content,

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Speaker 1: at least three episodes a week. We're gonna have draft

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Speaker 1: season as well, so just stay tuned. Well, a bunch

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Speaker 1: of our normal friends that we've had on the show

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Speaker 1: in previous years talking drafts and also trying to get

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Speaker 1: some new ones too as we get some different uh takes, ideas,

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Speaker 1: and analysis on the twenty twenty five NFL Draft class.

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Speaker 1: But for today's episode, Chad Ryder is one of my favorites.

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Speaker 1: He really dives into these prospects deep and gets a

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Speaker 1: lot of insight and great analysis on these guys. You

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Speaker 1: just came out with a four round draft on NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com, and we kind of use that as a

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Speaker 1: basis of our conversation. Here's my conversation with Chad, and

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Speaker 1: now we welcome in our guest from NFL dot Com,

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Speaker 1: one of their great writers and researchers, Chad Writer. Chad,

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Speaker 1: what's going on, man.

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Speaker 2: I'm just living the dream here, man, this is this

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Speaker 2: is my time of year. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I always love catching up with you the All Star Games,

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Speaker 1: catching up with you at the combine, and now we

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Speaker 1: which is always fun. And decided to do it now

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Speaker 1: because you just had a four round mock draft pop

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Speaker 1: up on NFL dot com. You can have a five

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Speaker 1: round there in a seven round they're coming up a

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Speaker 1: little bit later in the process. What's your thought process here,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's really a kind of a year

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Speaker 2: long process in terms of identifying free agents, and not

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Speaker 2: And can't look too far in advance because you know,

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Speaker 2: really a year long process. And then you know, you

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean I'm happy I don't do any of these.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, And I think what's interesting. I

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Speaker 1: it's funny. I thought his protection was actually better in

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Speaker 1: maybe why the bulls get And those were on passes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you have to take a lot

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Speaker 1: second round pick for the Giants at thirty four Derek Harmon,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna finish my quarterback work this week. By

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Speaker 1: So you got Derek Carmon at thirty four, which I

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Speaker 1: How much do you think about going guard there for

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Speaker 1: Did you consider that he or given who was left

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Speaker 1: When do you get that drop off, Chad in the

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Speaker 2: and I never saw it because he is sort of

435
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,959
Speaker 2: a tweeter in some ways. But I think when you

436
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,760
Speaker 2: add that athleticism and he gets after his man very nicely,

437
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,000
Speaker 2: and I think with that, that's why you think maybe

438
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 2: a shift to guard where he can get his hands

439
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,439
Speaker 2: on the guy and and do what he needs to

440
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 2: do to make that block. And I think, but I

441
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,720
Speaker 2: think a guy like that has some value in the

442
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 2: third because he could go outside if you need him to,

443
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,639
Speaker 2: and and he proved it at Purdue that he was

444
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 2: able to protect the passer pretty well a lot of

445
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 2: the time. And so like you combine the athleticism with

446
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,680
Speaker 2: a little versatility, and that screams you know, third round

447
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 2: pick to me. And and when you need you know,

448
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,199
Speaker 2: obviously the Giants need more depth on that line, you

449
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 2: get a guy who can maybe play multiple positions for you.

450
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:51,680
Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense.

451
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,879
Speaker 1: I think multi positional flexibility and the offensive line is

452
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 1: going to be a theme in this draft chat only

453
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 1: because I think we hear so many guys that played

454
00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,159
Speaker 1: tackle and Colle is going to move into guard. Nolan

455
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 1: is another guy I think you have in the fourth

456
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 1: round as a guy that's gonna I think is another guy.

457
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I considered him. Like if I had some the

458
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 2: Giants picking somebody else at the top of the third

459
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 2: I would say it with their later third round pick,

460
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 2: Milan would be a perfect slot for them. I really

461
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:17,360
Speaker 2: consider that.

462
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 1: I'm in the process, So that's what I'm saying. Like,

463
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 1: I think teams value that now, right, because you always

464
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 1: want to try to get your best live offensive linemen

465
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: on the field, and if you have guys that can

466
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 1: play multiple positions, it makes that mission a lot easier

467
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 1: accomplished for sure.

468
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 2: Like, look, there are guys that the Packers have moved

469
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,479
Speaker 2: Elton Jenkins all over the dang place, you know, and

470
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 2: that was why he ended up being a second round pick, really,

471
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 2: because he was so versatile that that happens. All It's

472
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 2: not easy, Like, just because I project a guy to

473
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 2: move doesn't mean it's easy. It's not an easy transition.

474
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 2: But I like to give guys the benefit of the

475
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 2: doubt that they can do it, you know, given their

476
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 2: their heart, their work, ethic and athleticism.

477
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Speaker 1: Now I'm with you, all right. And with Giants second

478
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: third round pick in ninety nine, you have Kyle Kinnard,

479
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: who is so unspec tacular, but so solid and I

480
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 1: think at the end of the third round that's kind

481
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: of the perfect undersized edge that can do a little

482
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: bit of everything that will help you for a real

483
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 1: long time as a solid player.

484
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, another hard working guy, and he may not

485
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: be able to he may not be the quick twitch

486
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 2: guy that is gonna beat the tackle off the snap

487
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 2: all the time, but he'll work to the quarterback until whistle.

488
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 2: And I think that's the third fourth round guy, one

489
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 2: of them. He's like, this is like a I wanted

490
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: to put him to the Ravens so bad because that's

491
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 2: the guy that they've picked so many times, right and

492
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 2: and that's but that's a good fit for any of

493
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 2: that that kind of similar scheme. So I think he

494
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 2: he'd be a great pick. And you know, another guy

495
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 2: that I really considered putting there was Fidil Diggs from Syracuse.

496
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 2: I think I may try to get him into the

497
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: third round this next time I do a mock because

498
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: he'd be a really good I think he's gonna get

499
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 2: top one hundred consideration, so that if I change things,

500
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 2: but that might be my pick for the Giants. Similar guy,

501
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: you know, maybe not the twitchiest guy, of all time.

502
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 2: But he strong and he'll work his way to the quarterback.

503
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: Is that the sweet spot you think for edge players?

504
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: Because I think this is an even deeper edge class

505
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 1: than it is a defensive tackle class. And it's a

506
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: really good defensive tackle class. Is it the end of

507
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: the third? Is it? Is it the top of the third?

508
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: Where do you think you're gonna get the most value

509
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: because some of these guys are gonna get pushed down, Chad,

510
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: just because there's so many of them.

511
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be I think it's through the top

512
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: of the fourth. And I think the defensive tackle class

513
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 2: is actually a little deeper. I think you can go

514
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: because you can ask defensive tackles to do less. So

515
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: therefore you can get a guy in the fifth round

516
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 2: or the sixth round that is just a run stopper

517
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: or something, you know. But so I think the tackle

518
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 2: class is slightly deeper. But but yeah, you're gonna be

519
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: getting and this is this happens quite a bit actually

520
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: in terms of third and fourth round edge players kind

521
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: of stepping up. Zadaria Smith is one that stands out.

522
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: Another Ravens guy comes in the fourth round, has a

523
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: long career. You know, out of Kentucky. So but I

524
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: think I think through the early fourth round you're gonna

525
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 2: be able to find a decent edge that's gonna provide

526
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 2: designated pass rusher early maybe, and then step into a

527
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: starting role a couple years down the line.

528
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: All right, then a one oh five with the Giants

529
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. Here chat you. I'm taking elk Iaminor

530
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: from the Ioman Or from Stanford, who's a big bodied

531
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I think he kind of gives you a

532
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: different type of receiver than what the Giants already have

533
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: in that room.

534
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they resigned Darius Slayton, but I think

535
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: in terms of you can't have too many of those

536
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: big body guys because injuries, et cetera. The value there

537
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 2: is really good in the fourth round for him. He

538
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: could go a little earlier, but there's always a couple

539
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: of guys that end up falling out of the top

540
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: one hundred and then they get snatched up pretty quickly,

541
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 2: you know, on Saturday mornings. So I think he's a

542
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: really good He's sort of that Gabe Davis kind of

543
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: you know, downfield guy, you know, kind of a strider,

544
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: can give you a little bit in the intermediate game,

545
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: but couldn't turned out to be a pretty productive pro.

546
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he put a pretty good numbers on his workouts.

547
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: I know he was a track guy at one point,

548
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: but he's not the twitchiest guy when you watch him.

549
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: No, No, it was not sudden. A guy that we'll

550
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: probably talk about a little bit is Isaiah Bond from Texas.

551
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: I have him going in the first round, and the

552
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: reason is the guy is so sudden with the ball

553
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: after the catch. He's and and that's the kind of

554
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: guy that often goes early or late one early too,

555
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: So that's why I kind of pushed him into round one.

556
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: And Io Minor is not that, but you know, he

557
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: could be a pretty good pro.

558
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: What do you think of this wide receiver class in general, Chad,

559
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: Because I feel like there are a lot of players

560
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: you can find that are good, but I think a

561
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: lot of them have a flow or two that I think,

562
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, we'll give some teams some question marks on them.

563
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 2: It's it's not a deep class in terms of elite playmakers.

564
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: It just isn't. And and we've had some really good

565
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: classes recently, so we're a little spoiled by that. But

566
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: I think this is more like the classes we saw

567
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: six seven years ago where they weren't quite as deep,

568
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: and but teams have such a need for it that

569
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: a lot of guys will get picked, so they'll end

570
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: up looking like kind of an average class. But like

571
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 2: you said, there's a lot of guys that the consistency

572
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: isn't there, the speed isn't there, something isn't there, and

573
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: they'll be able to contribute, but more as a wide

574
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: receiver three or four, you know down the line.

575
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were joking about, you know, how we classify

576
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: the corners in wide receivers here, so you mentioned bonds.

577
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: Why don't we go there next? You know, see, wide

578
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: receiver four is the wide receiver five, depending on what

579
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: to think of Travis Hunter. But once you once you

580
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: get past Hunter, you know Ted McMillan, Matthew Golden, a

581
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: Mecca Buca, Luther Burden. It goes to my previous point.

582
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: They're all wide receivers. They all play the game completely

583
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: differently from one another. So is that really more of

584
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: a fit what a specific team needs in terms of

585
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: what order you think those guys are gonna go off

586
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: the board.

587
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that's part of it. I

588
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: think I do think ted is overall. I do think

589
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: that maybe teams if they need like a real slot,

590
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: maybe they won't pick them. But again, even a team

591
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: that needs a slot, there's a lot of big slots

592
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: playing now.

593
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: The Christian I think, I mean, he's fantastic.

594
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like I could see him going anywhere from

595
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: like well, look, I mean maybe maybe top ten, but

596
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 2: I think really Dallas at twelve and if Dallas in

597
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: my mock, I have Dallas trading down. So they didn't

598
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: take him at twelve, and he lasted a little bit

599
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: longer to like Seattle, so he could He's got kind

600
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 2: of a wide range that he could go because he

601
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: maybe not for everybody, but he was a talented guy.

602
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: And I think a Mecca a Buka is going to

603
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: be like the CD Lamb of this class where he

604
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: kind of went further down the line because he wasn't

605
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: elite speed, he wasn't this, he wasn't that, but he's

606
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: just like the best receiver. I think that's what Abuka

607
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: is probably gonna be later in date and and a

608
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: lot of people are saying, oh, he's a slot receiver.

609
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: They said the same thing about Justin Jefferson and these

610
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 2: guys are pretty much the same size, and I just

611
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: think Abuka is going to be really good in the pros,

612
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: even better than he was in college.

613
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: The hutown with the on it. Buka's interesting. You know,

614
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: he played slot as much as Smith and Jigba did.

615
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: But when I watch Egg Buca, he the way he

616
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: moves in his size, it is I think he's gonna

617
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: run in the low four fours. To be honest with you,

618
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: he plays like in He's not like the twitchiest son.

619
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: This guy. I think he could easily be an outside receiver.

620
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. But you know it's funny receivers

621
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: work within an offense in college. And Will Howard is

622
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: not an elite downfield thrower. He's just not so. And

623
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: then also, by the way, they had this guy named

624
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith who's a pretty darn good He's going to

625
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: be a number one pick at some point. And so

626
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: like Abuka had to play a certain role on that team,

627
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: but I think he could do more. Again, just like

628
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson played a lot of slot at LSU, but

629
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: I think people put him in there. But I think

630
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: this is a guy that can play outside.

631
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you which Iowa state wide receiver do

632
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: you like better, Higgins or Noel.

633
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: I think, getting back to the point we just made,

634
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: it just really depends on the kind of guy you want.

635
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: If you want to if you want a tough slot

636
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: who can play a little bit outside, sort of like

637
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: a Jayden Reid, then you're you're taking Jalen Well.

638
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of Lad McConkie a little bit, to.

639
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: Be honest, A little bit, yeah, a little bits. He's

640
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 2: just a really tough guy. And anybody who watched combine

641
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: stuff or read my combine stuff, I was very impressed

642
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: with a lot of receivers will kind of go through

643
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: the motions during combine drills a little bit. You know,

644
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: they don't want to get hurt. They want they do

645
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: what they can. But but Noel is full out every drill, everything,

646
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 2: every gauntlet. He is full out and teams appreciate that.

647
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: So and then Jadan Higgins. Again, you're looking for a

648
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 2: big body outside with better athleticism, and I think than

649
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: a lot of people thought, then you're gonna look to

650
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: a guy like that.

651
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: If you're looking for Ted mcbillin in the first round

652
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: and you don't get them go draft Jadan Higgins, and

653
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: I think you're happy with with with your plan. B

654
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: All right, let's jump over to the cornerback position again,

655
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: depending on how you want to travel classify Travis Hunter,

656
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: you Will Johnson going after Hunter as your cornerback one whatever,

657
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: and then Azary Thomas as in a trade up if

658
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: I remember correctly right as the next cornerback off the board.

659
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: And I do think there are a lot of questions

660
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: here depending on what people will think of Johnny Barron.

661
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: Is he a slot? I think he can play outside

662
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: myself personally, I liked his outside tape last year. But

663
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: you have Thomas, who you know ran okay at the

664
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: pro day that he had. But your thoughts on how

665
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: that battle for that kind of group of corners after

666
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: Will Johnson is gonna pan out. But I do think

667
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: corners still not out of the question for the Giants,

668
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: even after they drafted a signed to pulse in the debot.

669
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: Again, I think I had the Bills trading up for

670
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: Thomas because that's a Bills type pick in terms of

671
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: the size and for that that position. So it's not

672
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: it's not as though I think he's like the I

673
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: would have like you said, Johnson Baron, I don't think

674
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 2: I would have Max Harston above Thomas Mayde, just depending

675
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: on the role he wants to play.

676
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: But Amos, what do you think Amos?

677
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: Amos is a really good player. I don't know that

678
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: he has the explosive athleticism that some teams look for.

679
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: But if he's in the area of his receiver when

680
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: that ball comes there, the receiver is not making the catch.

681
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: So I could see him sinking into the first round.

682
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: But I think he's a pretty solid second round pick.

683
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: And so again, this is not a group of elite

684
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: guys we're talking about. We're talking about really good guys

685
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: with great potential, which is why they're late first and

686
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: early second round. But I put barn in the middle

687
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: of the first round all day long. I love that guy.

688
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: He's so competitive, He's a better athlete. You had the

689
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: long speed. That was the one question he has it

690
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: play him at nickel, you can play him outside, you

691
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: can play him at safety, and I just that guy

692
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: should be a top fifteen pick.

693
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

694
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're

695
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: wondering about a long term financial plan. You should talk

696
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: to citizens.

697
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care. I'd like to

698
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: learn about Amollia routine.

699
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your

700
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: money with citizens. Yeah, I really like this tape and

701
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: I would honestly even consider picking them over Johnson, to

702
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: be honest with you. Yeah, stuff, there's some stuff with Johnson, man,

703
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: Like there's so many easy pitches in front of him

704
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: that I'm like, I just need him, like, just be stickier,

705
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: be closer to the receiver. You know, isn't that kind

706
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: of the basic function of a quarter be close to

707
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: the receivers so he can't catch it. There's too many

708
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: plays with Johnson where he's just not close enough to

709
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: the receiver.

710
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: And I, I, I don't know the problem with things

711
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: like that is like we don't know what he's taught.

712
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: Correct, Absolutely, if they are asking him to stay off

713
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: his guy in order for him to make the to

714
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: make the allow him to make the catch, but then

715
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: stop him immediately, and that's what and that's what you're

716
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: asking him to do, because if you try to be sticky,

717
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: sometimes those receivers are tricky.

718
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: Oh you like that? That was nice? It was a

719
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: nice rhyme, uh, and they can you know, they start

720
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: heading down field on you, right, So we don't know that.

721
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think you take the tools of a

722
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: guy like Johnson assuming the medicals check out, that's the question.

723
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: But if the medicals are good, you think, Okay, I

724
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: can work with this guy's skills, instincts, ball skills, all

725
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: that stuff and make him be what we want him

726
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: to be on the outside.

727
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: And you know when he tried to be sticky at

728
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: the end of his twenty twenty three season, he got

729
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: caught on a couple double moves.

730
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: In yeah games late in the year, So yeah, it's

731
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: it's it's a trick. Look, that's a position I would

732
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: not want to play. And you gotta have ultimate confidence

733
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: to play out there, that's for sure.

734
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: And ched I gotta be honest. And if I'm if

735
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm a team, I would almost be more comfortable going

736
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: into free agency like like the Giants did or or

737
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: the I'm trying to think who signed the Jets number

738
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: two corner this year? Just go out there and sign

739
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: a corner where you kind of know where they are

740
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: after a few years of pro experience. It's so hard

741
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: from college to the pros and just it's such a

742
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: volatile position from year to year to spend like top

743
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: ten draft capital on a corner.

744
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, man.

745
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's such a tough position.

746
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. Patrick Sartan could have fallen out

747
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: of the top ten, but he didn't. He's pretty good.

748
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: You know. Obviously, traffis Hunter. We can't even have Travis

749
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: Hunter in these conversations because he's like a unicorn. It

750
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: doesn't even matter. But there's been some pretty good top

751
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: ten corners and you know, like every position, you're gonna

752
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: have guys that just don't work out and no matter

753
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: what the position is. So I you know, in running back,

754
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: obviously people are like, you're not going to take any

755
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: top ten running backs anymore, right, Well nope, Dijon and

756
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: now Ashton gent this year is gonna be a top

757
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: ten pick. So, like, it's really about the talent of

758
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: the player and if he can maximize it to be

759
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: the best, one of the best guys at his position.

760
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: I think Johnson has a chance to do that.

761
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm happy you brought a running back. I don't think

762
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: the Giants need one necessarily, Chad, but it's such a

763
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: good running back draft. I feel like you can get

764
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: almost a third round value in the fourth or fifth round,

765
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: or even into the second round. Who are some of

766
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: those running back you think we'll get to Day three

767
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: that you think could end up giving teams really nice value.

768
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, you know, some year's twenty guys are taken

769
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: on Day three at that position. I think this is

770
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: probably one of those years. There's a lot of choices,

771
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: and it just really again gets into what you're looking for,

772
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: the flavor of guy that you want. If the Giants

773
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: maybe want a guy that's more of a rusher receiver,

774
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: dual threat combo, you're looking at Rashard Smith from SMU,

775
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: you're looking at Marcus Yarns from from Delaware, And they

776
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: can get those guys maybe in the seventh round with

777
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 2: one of their couple of seventh round picks, So they

778
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: may wait until that if that's the kind of guy

779
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: they want. But there's so many solid guys the if

780
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: I remember correctly, the Giants only have one pick in

781
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: the fourth and then one pick like in the mid fifth,

782
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: so they don't have tons, and then the seventh so

783
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: they don't have tons of Early Day two picks, but

784
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: like a guy like Jordan James from Oregon and the

785
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 2: could be a fifth round pick, which is ridiculous because

786
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: he's very talented, very tough runner, has some explosiveness, but

787
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: he's not elite in terms of speed or size and

788
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 2: this stuff. So he could he could be a fifth

789
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: round pick, or he might be a fourth round pick

790
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: like Bucky Irving was last year. And he's done great

791
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: for the Buccaneers, you know, so like there's so he's won.

792
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: DJ Giddens from Kansas State, Devin Neil from Kansas. There

793
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: are so many guys you can talk about. Another explosive

794
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: guy if they're really looking for the guy with long

795
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: speed is Visual Tooton from from Virginia Tech. You know,

796
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: another kind of duel threat guy. You might have to

797
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: use your early fourth to get him. I'm not sure

798
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 2: he's gonna be around by the time the mid fifth

799
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: turns or runs around. So again, another situation where trades happen,

800
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: where teams go up and get a guy like that, right,

801
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: But he's a guy that if you're really looking for

802
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: that explosive guy in the second level, Tooton's really the

803
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: guy in day three that you want and.

804
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: What I like about him too. He's only two hundred

805
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: and five pounds. Chat, he runs like he's two fifteen.

806
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: Is he shot like he runs with tower, he finishes

807
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: runs like he's not He'll run between the tackles and

808
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: be physical.

809
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of people don't like the five eight

810
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: you know why or a five eight five nine running

811
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: back maybe because of pass protection maybe, but the low

812
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 2: center of gravity allows them to be able to run

813
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: through contact like that, and so that's that could be

814
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: a real plus for some guys.

815
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: Why do you think? And you're not the only one.

816
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: Most people have him going in the fourth round, and

817
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: that's Cam Scatabo. And I know there's some injury issues

818
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: with him. He's maybe not as big as his running

819
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: style might want to dictate. And maybe there's some personality

820
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: stuff there too. I don't. I can't speak to that. Yeah,

821
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: I think he is second round tape man like he

822
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: breaks tackles. I know he doesn't have good long speed.

823
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna run in the fourth you know, high

824
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: four or five, little four six is, but man, you

825
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: cannot tackle that dude. He does not go down.

826
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really consider putting him in around three, But

827
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: you know, Again, they talked about it during the national

828
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: or during the playoffs when when Arizona State was in

829
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: the playoffs, they really had to kind of kick him

830
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: in the butt to get into condition to have a

831
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 2: great year. And at the end of that game, as

832
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: good as he was in that game, at the end

833
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: of that game, he had to be on the sideline

834
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: because he was not in condition to continue to you know,

835
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: put that effort out there. And so I think that's

836
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: a concern in terms of his long term. But look,

837
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: a lot of really good running backs go in the

838
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: fourth round, Like I couldn't believe Ray Davis out of

839
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: Kentucky last year went in the fourth round because he's

840
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: really talented. The Bill's got to steal there. So it's

841
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: really more about the position and what teams are looking for.

842
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: And again, when you know that there's so many good

843
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: running backs on Day three, you don't use a third

844
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: round pick, you know, I mean some teams, some team

845
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: always surprises and picks one of the third anyway, like

846
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: the Packers last year taking Marshall Wood even though they

847
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: had AJ Dillon and Josh Jacobs or you know, signed

848
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: Josh Jake Gribbs. It happens and so he could go

849
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 2: in run scatbo could go and run three. But sometimes

850
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: teams just wait.

851
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, don't don't let him get on

852
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: the chargers with Jim Harbaugh because he would the way

853
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: that guy runs, and that would be I think, I

854
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: think you got him go into the Broncos, which would

855
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: also be a really good fit with Sean Paye. Take him,

856
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: but I think that's also a really good fit. All right,

857
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: final individual guy in the MACKO. Want to ask you

858
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: about Darius Alexander. You have him been around three We

859
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: had ever get home on earlier this week. I think

860
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: in his top one hundred he had him been around

861
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: the same spoty of them around the nine ninety or

862
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: Pickler or not maybe player like seventy something like that.

863
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the production right, but you watch him

864
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: at like the Senior Bowl and you're like, how did

865
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Speaker 1: this guy not of double digit sacks for Toledo of

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Speaker 1: all teams? But you know, see the production. But boy,

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Speaker 1: you want a three technique defensive tackle, you basically you

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Speaker 1: build a guy in the lad that looks like Darius Xalaxander.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing that when you look at

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Speaker 2: him in an All Star game setting when you you can,

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Speaker 2: you always have to go back to the tape and

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Speaker 2: figure out what right. So like you go back to

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Speaker 2: tape B see, Okay, maybe this guy is a top

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Speaker 2: fifty ability, but he plays more like a late second

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Speaker 2: early third round value. Okay, so that's that's where Now.

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Speaker 2: Could he turn out to be an excellent player? Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: he is so much potential, But really, you know, the

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Speaker 2: difference between an early second and an early third round picks,

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Speaker 2: as I mentioned before, is less about talent and more

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Speaker 2: about risk because the tape isn't as good or for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason. But he's he does really have a chance

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Speaker 2: to be I really considered putting him in the top

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Speaker 2: fifty at some point. His movement spiels at the combine

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Speaker 2: I saw, you know when you're watching in person, weren't

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Speaker 2: top fifty worthy. I didn't think. But in terms of

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Speaker 2: a third round pick, that could be a real steal

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Speaker 2: for somebody.

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Speaker 1: All right, final question, your Chad. We talked about it

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Speaker 1: at the beginning. I'll circle back to it. Not your prediction.

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Speaker 1: If I gave you temporarily general managership of the New

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Speaker 1: York Football Giants, how would you approach the quarterback position

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Speaker 1: in this draft, would you try to obviously be trade

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Speaker 1: up to one if that can't do that? You know

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Speaker 1: you look at a quarterback at three? Would you rather

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Speaker 1: than just get one of these other guys we talked

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Speaker 1: about later? If you were the general manager of the Giants,

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Speaker 1: how would you approach this draft in terms of trying

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Speaker 1: to get a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: If you love a quarterback, do not wait. Do not wait.

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Speaker 2: Trade up to two if you have to, because those

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Speaker 2: guys are so important. A lot of us talk about,

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Speaker 2: well you can get Quinn yours or Tyler Shuck later. Well,

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Speaker 2: first of all, you may not, because somebody may trade

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Speaker 2: ahead of you to go get him. You have no guarantee.

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Speaker 2: And if you and if you love Shudura Sanders, or

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Speaker 2: if the Titans go some other way and you love

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Speaker 2: cam Ward and they decided to go Hunter or something

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Speaker 2: instead at one, you make the move to too if

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Speaker 2: you have to. If you're hearing that other teams are

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Speaker 2: gonna go up, you do what you have to do

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Speaker 2: to get the you love, period, and you don't wait,

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Speaker 2: because waiting does not often work. The Titans waited for

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Speaker 2: Will Levis. The other teams sometimes it works, but the likelihood,

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Speaker 2: you know, talking with guys about this, the likelihood of

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Speaker 2: finding a really good starting quarterback in the second, third, fourth,

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Speaker 2: fifth round, or it's just not very high and sometimes

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Speaker 2: it works and you think about those suggests. Everybody talks

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Speaker 2: of Tom Brady. Yeah, that's not happening in the sixth

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Speaker 2: round that often, right, So I say, if you love

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Speaker 2: a guy, you go get him.

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Speaker 1: Do you love a guy enough to go get him

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Speaker 1: that early in the draft, and that's not named cam Ward.

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Speaker 2: No, I would say I would say it. I would

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Speaker 2: say that you wait until three and if and if

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Speaker 2: she doer is there and you pick them, I don't

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Speaker 2: think I would give up draft capital to move to two.

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Speaker 2: If somebody else moves ahead of you, you move on.

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Speaker 2: You're you love the fact that you can get Travis

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Speaker 2: Hunter or Abduall Carter. You do what you can at

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Speaker 2: the quarterback position and all that. But I think you

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Speaker 2: you stick it out and wait till three.

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Speaker 1: Chad, tell the folks where they get fout all your

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Speaker 1: work and what they should be keeping an eye out

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Speaker 1: from you over the next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Oh NFL dot com, if you go there, you're likely

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Speaker 2: to see some of my material and uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you go on Twitter, I'll probably put on some

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Speaker 2: things here and there as well. Chad underscore writer R

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Speaker 2: E U T E R. And if you turn into

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Speaker 2: a radio station near you, I'll probably be on there

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Speaker 2: over the next month too. So yeah, NFL dot com,

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Speaker 2: We've got other mock drafts coming out. I've got some

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Speaker 2: other articles about trades and ideal picks for teams and

944
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Speaker 2: things like that coming up over the next month, So

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Speaker 2: I'll be all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And Chad's name is also all over all the

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Speaker 1: drafting combine profiles on NFL dot com. Talk about how

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Speaker 1: you work with Lens your lend on that, because I

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Speaker 1: think it's interesting how you guys kind of combined forces

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Speaker 1: to to really like, if you're looking for for info

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Speaker 1: on these draft guys, especially what happened in the combine

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Speaker 1: and some of their background, there's no better place to

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Speaker 1: go with the with the NFL. Do come draft trackers

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Speaker 1: or how do you and Lands work together to kind

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Speaker 1: of put that together?

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Speaker 2: Well? Thanks John. I put together the overviews, doing the

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Speaker 2: background research and things like that. Lance writes the scouting

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Speaker 2: reports on the players when he you know, when the

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Speaker 2: season's over, so he can you know, people can check

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Speaker 2: out some of their strengths and weaknesses, so that's the

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Speaker 2: easiest way to split these things. And and yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: a it's a pleasure getting to know these players. That

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Speaker 2: process starts for me in May, so you know it

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Speaker 2: lets me get to know these players pretty early in

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Speaker 2: the process.

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Speaker 1: Do you actually talk to them or do you just

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Speaker 1: do a lot of research.

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Speaker 2: I just do mostly research. If there's questions about things

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Speaker 2: at the combine, now, you know, maybe talk to them

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Speaker 2: on a side, But for the most part, you're really

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Speaker 2: just getting the the public information that's all about these

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Speaker 2: guys and their statistics and and their achievements kind of

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Speaker 2: in one spot. That's really the goals for you to

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Speaker 2: be able to go in one spot and see a

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Speaker 2: lot of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Chad, you're awesome, You're the best. Always fun talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Let's stay in touch, good luck the rest of the

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Speaker 1: process and have fun getting that around. Mocked on about

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Speaker 1: a week before the draft.

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Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, great, good time. It's a labor of love. Man,

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Speaker 2: it's the it's the world's biggest puzzles.

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Speaker 1: It's Jed Ryder from NFL dot com. Go check out

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Speaker 1: all his work there. I'm John Schmunk, thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us on the Johns Tottle Podcast, brought to you by Citizens,

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Speaker 1: the official bank of the Giants. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Everybody