1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: Second hour of Clay and Buck starts right now. Thanks 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: for being with us. Tutor Dixon now joins us. She 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: ran against Gretchen Whitmer for governor and Michigan in the 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: last election cycle and is the host of the Tutor 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: Dixon Podcast, which you can listen to on the Clay 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: and Buck Network, and she is getting more and more 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: listeners and subscribers with each week. 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: That she is putting out these episodes. Tudor, appreciate you 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: being with us. 12 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 4: Hey, thanks for having me. 13 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: All right, so let's start with how you know Michigan. Well, 14 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: it's a border state with Canada, but it's a border 15 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: state in the broader sense. In so far as the 16 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: illegal immigrant issue or newcomers. Have you seen this We're 17 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: supposed to say they're just newcomers. Now the illegal immigrant 18 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: issue is having its effect even up in your home state. 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: Or recently we had an illegal immigrant who allegedly killed 20 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: a Michigan woman in a carjacking gone wrong. 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: That's what the New York Post is reported. Gone. 22 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: What is the illegal immigrant situation like in your state 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: and how what kind of numbers and data do we 24 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: have about their the role that they play in crimes 25 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: in the state of Michigan. 26 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 4: You know, we don't have a lot of information because 27 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 4: Gretchen Witmer has done a good job of covering up 28 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 4: what's actually going on. But yes, this did just happened. 29 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 4: So another young woman, Ruby Garcia, we just lost her. 30 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 4: I think she was twenty one years old, and we 31 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 4: don't actually even know if it was a carjacking. Some 32 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 4: of the events around what happened that day are sort 33 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: of mysterious. It was on our US high Highway one 34 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 4: point thirty one, and she was actually left on the 35 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 4: highway her after she was shot. She was left on 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 4: the highway and it was a gruesome situation, devastating for 37 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 4: the family. But I think the most I think the 38 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 4: thing we need to talk about most is that when 39 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 4: the family was interviewed, they said, you have no idea 40 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 4: the number of lives that are affected by the fact 41 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 4: that she's gone. And I think that's the thing that 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 4: we have to remember in every one of these crimes. 43 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 4: It's not that you lost a life, it's that you've 44 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 4: altered hundreds of lives. So many people are hurt by 45 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 4: every one of these senseless murders that happened because people 46 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 4: like Joe Biden allow the border to be open. People 47 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 4: like Governor Whitmer entice people to come to the state 48 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 4: of Michigan. And I say that because she's put out 49 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 4: this new policy where she is asking people in Michigan 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 4: to take illegal immigrants into their home. And it's a 51 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 4: new rent system that goes through the government in Michigan, 52 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 4: where the government will now pay you five hundred dollars 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 4: a month up to twelve months to take somebody into 54 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 4: your house. There are no rules here. You don't even 55 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 4: know the history of this person. You know nothing. You 56 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 4: don't know the history of the person who's taking the 57 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 4: people in. You don't know the history of the people 58 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: who are coming there. I mean, the whole thing is 59 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 4: like such a disaster. Are we gonna hurt these people 60 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 4: that are coming in? Are they gonna hurt people in 61 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 4: the state of Michigan. It's just unreasonable. 62 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 5: It is pretty wild. And I want to reiterate what 63 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 5: you just said. In the state of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer, 64 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 5: my understanding is willing to pay five hundred dollars a 65 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 5: month six thousand dollars a year for people to take 66 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 5: illegal immigrants into their homes and house them. 67 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: That's taxpayer money. 68 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 5: What percentage you just ran for governor in Michigan, Sutor, 69 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 5: what percentage of Michiganders do you think agree with that policy? 70 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: A quarter lower? 71 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 5: I mean, I can't imagine that there are very many people, 72 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 5: say nothing of who would actually do it, but who 73 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 5: would even want their tax dollars being used to support 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 5: a program like this, which, by the way, encourages more 75 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 5: illegal immigration because it gives illegal immigrants more free stuff. 76 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: Sure well, I think there are a lot of wealthy 77 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 4: elites in the on the Democrat side in Michigan who 78 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: are like, oh, Buffy, what a lovely concept. Someone will 79 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 4: take these people into their home and pay for them. 80 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think there are a lot of those people. 81 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 3: Though they're not very many. Storry to cut you off. 82 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: There are not very many people I've met. 83 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 5: In Bloomfield Hills or Birmingham, Michigan areas that I know 84 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 5: pretty well in Oakland County because my wife is from there, 85 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 5: that are going to take I legal immigrants into their homes, right, Like, 86 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 5: nobody I don't even know who would do this, period, 87 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 5: But like even. 88 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 4: Leftists cousins who need the money. I mean, honestly, there 89 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 4: are a bunch of these Democrats who are like, oh, 90 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: someone else can now shoulder this, and look how lucky 91 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 4: we're going to give them money to do it. And 92 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 4: the sad reality here is Michigan is a state where 93 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 4: people are in dire straits. I drove from Muskegon, Michigan 94 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 4: to Hillsdale, Michigan, and the towns you go through are 95 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 4: just destroyed. People with broken windows who are have tarps 96 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 4: over their windows. The houses are broken down. The towns 97 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 4: have just three storefronts for four blocks are the rest 98 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 4: of them are all tarped over. People have moved out, 99 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 4: People are desperate for money. She is preying on people 100 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 4: who absolutely would do anything to get five hundred dollars 101 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: a month because they're in such poor shape right now. 102 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: So those are the people who will say, yes, we 103 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: will take someone in. We don't know who this person is. 104 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 4: There are those people, But then how many bad people 105 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 4: are Like, look, I could take advantage of this. I 106 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: could get somebody in my house. I could force them 107 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 4: to do what I want. I could force a good 108 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 4: sas so to do worse. It's the most asinine thing 109 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 4: I've ever heard of. I can't imagine a state saying, 110 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 4: you know what, throw away all the rules. I mean, 111 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 4: even landlords have rules, even hotels. You monitor a hotel, 112 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 4: how would you ever monitor how these people are being 113 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 4: treated inside of the personal home of someone who is 114 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 4: getting paid to take them in. It is a crazy concept. 115 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: What are the we're speaking to our friend Tutor Dixon. 116 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: Subscribe to the Clay Buck podcast feed and you could 117 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: listen to the Tutor. 118 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 3: Dixon Show, which is fabulous, and it is there, Tutor, 119 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: are Michiganders? 120 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 6: Now? 121 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of Democrats. I know Detroit 122 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: big center of political gravity there, along. 123 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: With some other cities. 124 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: But are they starting to turn against Whitmer when it 125 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: comes to the numbers? Are they seeing I'm still I mean, 126 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: Clay and I I'm just going to say it, We're 127 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: still outraged over the whole COVID thing that she got 128 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 2: away with all. We are still very bothered by that. 129 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 2: But just in terms of this program, you're talking about 130 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: the way she's running the state, the way that she's 131 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: affecting the economy and the freedoms of Michiganders. Are they 132 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: getting the message in time for this election, or are 133 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: you still worried. 134 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 4: They're not getting the message. When it comes to Gretchen Whitmer, 135 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 4: I will say I think that she has done a 136 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 4: good job of making herself this playful, fun governor that 137 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 4: people are like, Oh, but she's like one of the 138 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 4: gals that will go out and have a beer with 139 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 4: you at the end of the day. I mean so 140 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 4: much so that when poor Ruby Garcia lost her life, 141 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 4: she's posting about beer. I mean, that's what she's posting about. 142 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: Over the safety of the people of Michigan. It's just constant, 143 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 4: look the other way, bright shiny thing, let's have fun, 144 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 4: Let's put Barbie on the Capitol steps. And so she 145 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 4: has kind of this playful attitude here and people like that. 146 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 4: I don't think that they think she's qualified to move 147 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 4: on from that. I know that she tanked at the 148 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 4: grid Iron dinner. I think beyond Michigan, she's not adorable, 149 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 4: she's not fun. But Joe Biden does not have that 150 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: impression here. People are very frustrated with his policies. They're 151 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 4: very frustrated with what has happened with people in the state. 152 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: When I talk about being poor, they think that the 153 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: economic issues are just crushing people in the state of Michigan. 154 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: This new situation. I think it'll be interesting to see 155 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: how this new policy she's put out there will play, 156 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: because I think it's the worst possible thing in the 157 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: midst of a border crisis. We know that's the number 158 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 4: one issue out there, and yet she's playing on the 159 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 4: other side of that issue. I think that's incredibly dangerous 160 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 4: for her because she does have a pretty good approval rating. 161 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 4: I think this is the moment where that could tank. 162 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 4: You'll notice that he was just here at a golf 163 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 4: course a week ago, and she didn't go again. She 164 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 4: was out making beer. That's her thing, So she was 165 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 4: making beer in Kalamazoo. He's in Saganaw, Michigan. She doesn't 166 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 4: even mention that he's here. She's posting videos of herself 167 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 4: making beer just one of the goals at the bar, 168 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 4: and says nothing about Joe Biden. She's the co chair, 169 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 4: one of the co chairs of his campaign. She doesn't 170 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: even say hello to him when he's in her own state. 171 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 5: Tudor, what do you think about the Arab and Israeli 172 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 5: voter issue in Michigan, Because it seems clear that the 173 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 5: Biden White House is just terrified of figuring out how 174 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 5: to manage this because they're losing a lot of supportive 175 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 5: Arab voters. There's this huge population in Dearborn area, as 176 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 5: you know, that tends to vote Democrat, and then the 177 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 5: Jewish vote has tended to go Democrat in Michigan as well. 178 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 5: Are you in the of the opinion that Biden is 179 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 5: in trouble given how close Michigan is with trying to 180 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 5: figure out how to handle that duo, given that they're 181 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 5: basically completely contradictory yet two staples of his coalition. 182 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it's a big deal. They know it's a 183 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 4: big deal here in the state of Michigan. It goes 184 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 4: beyond just those communities, though, because they have infiltrated the 185 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 4: college campuses with this radical notion that Israel's so bad, 186 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 4: and so a lot of that uncommitted vote you'll notice, 187 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 4: came from Michigan State. It came from the University of Michigan. 188 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 4: Those are two big voting blocks for them. So they 189 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 4: could say, Okay, we're going to be okay without Dearborn, 190 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 4: without ham Tramick. We'll move on from those communities. We'll 191 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 4: try to get our standard Democrats out. But now the 192 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 4: young people are turning against them because they're like, wait 193 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 4: a minute, wait a minute, you told us this was bad. 194 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,599 Speaker 4: We want these people are being oppressed. You know, Oppressors 195 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 4: are bad, occupiers are bad. Okay, so now we're against you. 196 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 4: Joe Biden, it's a mess for him. You've got Chuck 197 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 4: Schumer coming out and saying he wants to get rid 198 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: of net and Yahoo. They need to have a new election, 199 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 4: and you see Democrats are going, wait a minute, you 200 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 4: don't actually get involved in someone else's election. Even Democrats 201 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 4: are saying, whoa, this is crazy. It's desperation because they 202 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 4: see that they are potentially going to lose Michigan, and 203 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 4: Michigan oftentimes dictates how the presidential election will go. They 204 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 4: were shocked when they lost to Michigan in twenty sixteen. 205 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 4: They vowed to never do it again. They took the 206 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 4: Colorado playbook and they brought it to Michigan. They've infiltrated 207 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 4: Michigan with all these outside groups. They've done this in 208 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 4: several of the legislative districts. They've flipped them blue. They 209 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 4: think that's permanent. It's very fresh. It just happened in 210 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 4: twenty two, they could potentially lose Michigan and then their 211 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 4: whole playbook kind of gets thrown out the window, and 212 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: they don't exactly know how to handle it because they've 213 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 4: turned to the people so against any type of rule 214 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 4: that they've now turned against Biden himself, which I think 215 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 4: is kind of beautiful, but it's also hard to come 216 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 4: back from because we have to talk to people what 217 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 4: about one America really is and why you should be. 218 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 5: Happy to live here tudor they ran against you twenty 219 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 5: twenty two. Abortion is that issue now basically resolved in Michigan, 220 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 5: such that Biden's going to try to use it as 221 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 5: a touchtne alongside of democracy as two of his big 222 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 5: selling points. He's going to say Trump is evil, we 223 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 5: all know that, But is abortion, in your mind kind 224 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 5: of a decided issue now in Michigan. That's not going 225 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 5: to motivate a lot of voters like maybe it did 226 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 5: in twenty two. 227 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 4: It is fully a decided issue because it's in the 228 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 4: constitution now, but no, they will continue to use it. 229 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 4: Just yesterday, the Michigan Dems posted on x oh they 230 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 4: went after abortion. The next thing they're going after is IVF. 231 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: They're going after birth controlled. This is the Republican playbook. 232 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 6: Now. 233 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 4: Republicans then, of course retweeted that and they were like, 234 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 4: that's ridiculous. Okay, that's not enough. Because they're very skilled 235 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 4: with the propaganda. They also go directly to these college campuses, 236 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: to young women, to suburban moms, and they're like, they're 237 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 4: going to take birth I mean, as the minute people 238 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 4: believe that Republicans want to take birth control away from them, 239 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: just that's it. It's over. They've figured out that this 240 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: is a fantastic message for them. They can run on 241 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: that and it will overshadow crime, it will overshadow economy, 242 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 4: it will overshadow the border because at the end of 243 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: the day, it's very personal and it's fifty percent of 244 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 4: your population. And then you've got the men who are 245 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 4: going to come alongside those women and say, wait, wait 246 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 4: a minute, you're not going to You're not going to 247 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 4: affect my wife or my girlfriend or my daughter's ability 248 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 4: to get birth control, or to have IVF, or to 249 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 4: create a family, or decide not to create a family. 250 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 4: And so that message is incredibly powerful. We allowed them 251 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 4: to go after us in twenty two and I say 252 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 4: that because you talked when we got on about her 253 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 4: COVID policies, we were not strategic enough about getting out 254 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 4: who she really is. We did not have the ability 255 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: to go out over YouTube and all these different apps 256 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 4: and advertise directly to the people like she did, or 257 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 4: at least we weren't smart enough at that time to 258 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 4: do that. We cannot allow that to happen again. We've 259 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 4: got to show them who the Democrats are, and we've 260 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 4: got to tell them what they're saying about us is 261 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 4: not true. We're not doing that. 262 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: Tudor Dixon. Everybody, tutor, appreciate you being with us. 263 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 4: Hey, thank you so much. 264 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: Few actions are more valiant than defending someone who can't 265 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: defend themselves, such as the work of those at the 266 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: Preborn Network of Clinics. Every day, all day, the team 267 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: of people working at Preborn do their best to save 268 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: the lives of unborn children. They accomplish that by welcoming 269 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: pregnant mothers deciding on the fate of their unborn baby, 270 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: and offering them support, resources and a free ultrasound experience. 271 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: By introducing a mother to her childhood on ultrasound, a 272 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: baby's chance at life doubles. Over the past two decades, 273 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 2: Preborn has rescued over two hundred and eighty thousand babies lives. 274 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: Every day, their clinics rescue two hundred babies. If you 275 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: have the means, would you consider leadership gift that could 276 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: save babies in a big way, hundreds of babies in 277 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: just one day, Your tax deductible donation of five thousand 278 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: dollars would sponsor Preborn's entire network nationwide for twenty four hours, 279 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: and this would help to rescue about two hundred tiny babies. 280 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: It's tax deductible. Donate now if you can. A leadership 281 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: gift of five thousand dollars would help save hundreds of lives. 282 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: But whatever you can spare is greatly appreciated and very 283 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: much needed in this battle for life. To donate, dial 284 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: pound two five zero say the keyword baby. That's pound 285 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: two five zero, say baby, or donate securely at preborn 286 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: dot com slash buck that's preborn dot com slash b 287 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: u ck. Preborn has a one hundred percent charity rating, 288 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: so you can give with confidence. Sponsored by Preborn. 289 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: The torch of truth past and still lit every day, 290 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: the Clay Travis said, Bucks s show. 291 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 5: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show, a little 292 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 5: bit of potential breaking news out there. Puck, which is 293 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 5: a media news journalistic site, is reporting and they've been 294 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 5: somewhat plugged in on some of this stuff. That Ron 295 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 5: McDaniel is going to be dropped by NBC News. Now, 296 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 5: if that is one hundred percent confirmed, we'll obviously give 297 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 5: it to you during the course of today's show. But 298 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 5: that would be something that would be a surprise for 299 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 5: them to be wrong on. 300 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: Now. 301 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 5: To be fair, they could be trying to somebody could 302 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 5: leak and try to be increasing the pressure on NBC 303 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 5: News by making it look like they might be moving 304 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 5: on from her. But this would be Can you even 305 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 5: think of a situation like this, Buck, where there's been 306 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 5: a revolt over somebody being highed? 307 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: What would you what does it remind you. 308 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: Of As a very talented writer Kevin Williamson who was 309 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: at National Review for many years. He writes very well 310 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: and is a smart guy. I know Kevin a little 311 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: bit and they brought him over the Atlantic and the 312 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: Atlantic staff just flipped out and they got and they 313 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: fired him. They hired him and fired him, and I 314 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: think it was from I forget whoever it was who 315 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: was kind of managing editor who had to do the 316 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: sit down with him, and it's just like, so you're 317 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: all basically a bunch of slimy cowards. Okay, that's what 318 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: happened over there to him. 319 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 320 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 5: And another one I'm thinking of right now too, is 321 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 5: it Ilia Shapiro, the uh yeah, Georgetown law professor. 322 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a Georgetown University thing. Yeah. 323 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 5: They revolted because he said that there were better options 324 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 5: basically to pick than Katanji Brown Jackson. Now, if I 325 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 5: remember correctly, the way he phrased it was he said 326 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 5: they were picking Joe Biden, was picking a lesser black woman, 327 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 5: and there were more qualified other people. 328 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: But it's one tweet. 329 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 5: They lost their mind and basically they said you can't 330 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 5: come work on the Georgetown law faculty over that single tweet. 331 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 5: That's another one that I can think of off the 332 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 5: top of my head. How long is this, gor Vidal? 333 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 5: Shall we play it maybe at the end of the hours, 334 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 5: at the end of the. 335 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 3: Hour, a little throwback gor Vidal and William F. Buckley 336 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: having a real throwdout. I mean, I wish there were 337 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: still debates on TV. There aren't anymore. It's a shame. 338 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: I don't know how we could ever bring it back. 339 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: Do you think they would be popular? 340 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think people have gotten so used 341 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: to hearing what they want to hear, and it's such 342 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: an effective business model in media generally that I think 343 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,239 Speaker 2: challenging assumptions is unfortunately, or even just challenging, you know, 344 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: a cherished belief is commercially not wise. I would say 345 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 2: that that's what we've turned into as a country, but 346 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: I think that's where we are. 347 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting because the Cuomo Tucker conversation I found 348 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 5: super interesting. A lot of people responded well to me 349 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 5: and Steven A. I think there's a demand for it. 350 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 5: I'm not sure that it's the demand that these networks 351 00:17:58,880 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 5: are serving. 352 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 3: If that make sense, it'd have to be a new company. 353 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 5: Teamworking at my Pillow. They're passionate about helping you get 354 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 5: a great night's sleep. That's why they put such emphasis 355 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 5: on pillows, sheets, mattress stoppers, everything about beat you being comfortable. 356 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 5: Best selling Giza dream Sheets top of the list, made 357 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 5: with Giza cotton, found in a region of Egypt known 358 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 5: for producing the world softest cotton. You can get a 359 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 5: Queen size for fifty nine ninety eight King size for 360 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 5: just ten bucks more. With our names Clay and Buck 361 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 5: as the promo code. You'll get free shipping too. Just 362 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 5: go to my pillow dot com click on the radio 363 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 5: listener special square Giza Dream Sheets. When you click on 364 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 5: that square you'll find other deals such as sixty percent 365 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 5: off the original my slippers too. Remember my pillow dot 366 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 5: Com use that code Clay and Buck. You can get 367 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 5: hooked up. Great pricing, free shipping sixty day, no risk 368 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 5: for the products. You're gonna love them. We got them 369 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 5: on all the Travis beds in the household. You'll love 370 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 5: them on yours. Two Giza dreamsheets, MyPillow dot com code 371 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 5: Clay Buck. 372 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: Cash finance, and my. 373 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 6: Campaign. 374 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it's not your business, I mean, Franklin, 375 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 3: but I. 376 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 6: Might do that. 377 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 3: I have the option. 378 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: Trum saying that maybe he's gonna take some of the 379 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 2: money that he's got since the bail has been or 380 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: the bond rather sorry has been reduced from from the 381 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: huge sum. And now we've got truth social on the horizon. 382 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: The I PO is real, the UH, the stock is trading. 383 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: What happens in the legal side of things for the Trumpster. 384 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: Let's talk to our friend Andy McCarthy of National Review 385 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: and Fox News. Andy, great to have you just kind 386 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: of give us your state of play, if you would, 387 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: on what happens now. So he's got the money, What 388 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: are the next steps and what are the chances that 389 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: he ends up getting out of this thing somehow? 390 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 6: Well, I think it's gonna take a long time. I mean, 391 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 6: the next steps really are the appeal. I mean, he's 392 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 6: got ten days to put together this bond, but I 393 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 6: don't think that's going to be an issue for him, 394 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 6: So that'll be kind of uneventful I think by the 395 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 6: time it happens. But what that means is tiss James 396 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 6: cannot do anything to enforce the judgment until the appeal 397 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 6: is run. I suspect that he will get that. Trump 398 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 6: will get a significant reduction in the disgorgement fine on appeal, 399 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 6: but that may take over a year. So, you know, 400 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 6: I don't I think this chapter, once he posts this bond, 401 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 6: this chapter is done. Other than you know, Democrats talking 402 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 6: about that he's been found by a court to be 403 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 6: a fraudulent businessman. 404 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 5: All right, So let's go to the Alvin bradcase Andy. 405 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 5: And by the way, I'm gonna go ahead and say 406 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 5: your Mets are dead before the first pitch is even 407 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 5: thrown tomorrow. Sorry to take a shot at you, and 408 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 5: sorry for everybody out of New York who's still a 409 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 5: little bit optimistic. 410 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 3: But down. 411 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I know, there's so few days where 412 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 5: Mets fans can be optimistic. I hate to take one 413 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 5: away from you like this, April April fifteenth, I think, right, 414 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 5: isn't it the new trial date where they're going to 415 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 5: start with the jury selection? 416 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: How long does this trial in your mind take? 417 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 5: And sorry, the second part of that is we we 418 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 5: had you on when this happened a year ago, when 419 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 5: we did a big breakdown on how unbelievably legally tenuous 420 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 5: this entire theory is of Alvin Bragg. What are the 421 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 5: odds that this thing even holds up? You know, even 422 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 5: after the trial verdict comes in as the appellate process 423 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 5: plays itself out to kind of assess this case from 424 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 5: your knowledge as a former US attorney in New York. 425 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 6: So I think that they are estimating Clay that the 426 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 6: case is going to take four to six weeks. I 427 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 6: think that's kind of like the outer margin. In my 428 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 6: experience of where lawyers can accurately predict how long case 429 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 6: it's gonna take, usually if it gets outside of six weeks, 430 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 6: they're kind of telling you that they have no idea 431 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 6: how long it's gonna take. But let's take about their 432 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 6: word and figure they can get a jury reasonably quickly. 433 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 5: Like, yeah, sorry to cut you off. How long do 434 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 5: will you think it'll take to see to jury? 435 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 6: You know, I had a terrorism case years ago. It 436 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 6: took us three weeks to see the jury. Yeah, and 437 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 6: you know, Trump's a lot. This is a very different 438 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 6: kind of case. But I mean Trump in Manhattan, that's 439 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 6: a tough Uh, that's a tough place to get a 440 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 6: fair jury. But assuming they can do that, let's say 441 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 6: somewhere between three days and two weeks. Right. Oh and 442 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 6: by the way, I should say they're gonna sit. They're 443 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 6: gonna sit four days a week and take off Wednesdays. 444 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 6: So that's yea the schedule. So I think the thing 445 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 6: is he's got a high chance of getting convicted here, 446 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 6: even though it's a nonsense case, because I think the 447 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 6: things that make the case very weak may not be 448 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 6: as a parent of the jury. Because it's a lot 449 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 6: of legal argument, like, for example, it goes to whether 450 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 6: Bragg has authority to do what he's trying to do 451 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 6: here although he's not talking about it, which is to 452 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 6: enforce federal campaign finance law under situation, under circumstances where 453 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 6: the two federal agencies that actually have jurisdiction to do 454 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 6: that looked at this and decided not to take any 455 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 6: enforcement action against Trump. So you got Brad kind of 456 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 6: making up his own federal campaign finance standards as he 457 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 6: goes along. That's an argument to me that plays much 458 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 6: better on appeal than it will in front the jury. 459 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 6: In front of the jury, you're going to get, you know, 460 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 6: Stormy Daniels and hush money and Trump's bookkeeping in Michael Khan, 461 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 6: that's the you know, that's the case. And there's a 462 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 6: lot of I think there's a lot of legal arguments 463 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 6: that ought to knock this out, like the statute of limitations. 464 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 6: This really ought to just be a straight one transaction 465 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 6: misdemeanor prosecution at best. If it were, the Statute of 466 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 6: limitations would have run in twenty nineteen. Because it's only 467 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 6: a two year statute. He's trying to make it a 468 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 6: felony by saying that Trump was trying to conceal a 469 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 6: campaign finance violation even though he doesn't have jurisdiction to 470 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 6: do that, And instead of trying it as one felony, 471 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 6: like any normal prosecutor would do if you were going 472 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 6: to do that kind of thing, he's made at thirty 473 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 6: four felonies by taking every invoice, every check that was cut, 474 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 6: and every bookkeeping entry as a separate four year felony, 475 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 6: which is the Justice Department specifically tells prosecutors not to do. 476 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 6: So there's a lot wrong with this case. 477 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 2: Andy, What do you think happens, assuming that you're seeing 478 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 2: this the way that it plays out, what happens if 479 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,959 Speaker 2: they get a guilty verdict in New York? I mean, 480 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: you know, then we start to get to this really 481 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: crazy place of Okay, they got a guilty verdict, it's 482 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: a felony, and then. 483 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 6: What Well, it's a good question because I think I've 484 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 6: always thought that this was such a BS case that 485 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 6: I didn't know how much it really hurt him to 486 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 6: get convicted here. And what's happened in the interim, buck 487 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 6: is that New York seems like it's gamed against Trump. 488 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 6: So I think it may be even less persuasive to 489 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 6: people if he gets convicted here. 490 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: But but I mean in the punishment phase, Andy, not 491 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: the politics of it, Like, what's the punishment. 492 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 6: Well, you know, look it's it's every count is four years, 493 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 6: so statutorily it's over a century, right, but it's not. No, 494 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 6: it's nuts, But it's you know, in New York you 495 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 6: got violent crime that doesn't get prosecuted or gets spled 496 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 6: down to felonies, and serious criminals walk in the streets. 497 00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 6: Hard to believe that even well, I keep I have 498 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 6: a voice in the back of my head saying, did 499 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 6: you believe that a judge would impose a you know, 500 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 6: four hundred and fifty four million dollar judgment in the 501 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 6: case with no fraud? 502 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: Well, Andy, this is my point. I know where you're going. 503 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 2: It feels like nothing can be hard to believe any 504 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: more about this process. 505 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 6: Now, it's fair enough. I mean, this should be no 506 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 6: one should do no one, not just Trump. No one 507 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 6: should do an hour in prison. 508 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 3: For this case. 509 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 6: And that's the way it should go. And if you 510 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 6: took Trump's name out of it, and you just said, 511 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 6: somebody gets convicted of a falsification of business records crime 512 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 6: in New York, of all places where you can't even 513 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 6: get people who do slashings on the subway convicted half 514 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 6: the time, then you know he should get it. Should 515 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 6: be it's a nonviolent misdemeanor type crime, first defender. You 516 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 6: know that should be no, that shouldn't even be prosecuted 517 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 6: in New York, but it certainly should be. 518 00:26:59,520 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: No. 519 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 2: So it should be like a community service thing, basically 520 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: like pay a five hundred dollars fine in community service. 521 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, the other cases, it. 522 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 6: Wouldn't even be prosecuted for anyone else for the other cases. 523 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 5: So let's say they get this case done, they get 524 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 5: some sort of verdict in it. 525 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: Given what you want, do you want to keep Andy 526 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: and go to other case? Andy? Can you do it 527 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 3: in a couple more minutes? 528 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 6: Yeah? 529 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 3: Sure you Your mets aren't on right now? Yeah, yeah, 530 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 3: yeah we can. We can keep it. 531 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: We'll keep Andy McCarthy here from National Viewing Fox for 532 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: a little more. Let's get into the other cases, dive 533 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 2: into them. You know, some family members self appoint themselves 534 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 2: as the family historians. Certainly the case in my family, 535 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: Dad was really our family videographer. He was videotaping birthdays 536 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: and Halloween parties and all that good stuff. But you know, 537 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 2: we couldn't watch it anymore because who has a VCR 538 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: these days, basically nobody, and you've got all these VHS tape. 539 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 2: We'll guess what my family did. We went with Legacy Box. 540 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 2: We had it digitally transferred from that old media to 541 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: new digital media. And Legacy Box is the company that 542 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 2: does this for you better than anybody else. 543 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 3: You can trust them. I trust them, so does Clay. 544 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 2: We gave them our cherish family memories to digitize and 545 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 2: now we can enjoy them, text each other, email them, 546 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 2: post them on Facebook, you name it. They've got a 547 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: nine dollars per tape sale right now. By the way, 548 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: that's sixty five percent off the normal pricing. Normally it's 549 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: about thirty dollars per tape. Legacy Box transfers every videotape 550 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,239 Speaker 2: by hand, and the best part is when you get 551 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: these digital files back and then you can watch, enjoy 552 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: and share them and really relive so many of those 553 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 2: great memories. More than a million and a half families 554 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: have relied on Legacy Box and trusted them with their memories. 555 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: You can do the same go online to legacy box 556 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 2: dot com slash buck for nine dollars per tape. That's 557 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: legacybox dot com slash bu ck Cheap. 558 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: Up with Clay and Bucks campaign coverage with twenty four 559 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: a Sunday highlight reel from the week. Find it on 560 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. 561 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 5: Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Andy McCarthy 562 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 5: with us here breaking down the absolute latest on the 563 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 5: Trump legal machinations. 564 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 3: And the question I was going to ask if we 565 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: were going to break there, Andy, was. 566 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 5: How would you assess the likelihood that we get a 567 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 5: verdict anywhere other than New York City? Given what's going 568 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 5: on with the Supreme Court, the complexities of South Florida, obviously, 569 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 5: what's going on with Fanny Willis, and the pause that's 570 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 5: going on in DC right now, what are the chances 571 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 5: more than one case gets a verdict? 572 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 6: Clay, I would have said just one a couple of 573 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 6: months ago. But you know, one of the things that 574 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 6: Jack Smith, the Special Counsel's prosecutors said, you know, by 575 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 6: and by when they were saying something to the judge 576 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 6: in in one of the proceedings in Florida is that 577 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 6: they don't think the so called sixty day rule that 578 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 6: the Justice Department supposedly follows is applicable to Trump. And 579 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 6: I think that was a way of saying that they 580 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 6: think even if it gets after Labor Day, they would 581 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 6: try to start a trial if a judge would let them. 582 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: So I think sounds like pretty student analysis to me. Andy, 583 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: I think what I've been saying, I've been saying, they 584 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: don't care. They're just gonna do unless there's a law 585 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: that could stop them. They're going to bring the They're 586 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: going to bring the case whenever they can bring it. 587 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, why else would you say that, Right, there's 588 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 6: no good reason to say it unless you're intending to 589 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 6: try him. 590 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 2: Starting in the argument that they're making, also that that 591 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: that rule, Andy, that the rule in general correct me 592 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: if I'm misreading this or misremembering it, but that it 593 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 2: has to do with when you indict someone, not with 594 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: when you bring the case. 595 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 6: Yeah. 596 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 5: So, which is utterly crazy by the way of all 597 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 5: the arguments they make. 598 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know, it's an amazing argument because they 599 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 6: keep saying and that that it's of great public interest 600 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 6: that he gets convicted before election. Day, And then when 601 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 6: they were asked about the sixty day rule, they say, well, 602 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 6: that doesn't apply when someone's already been indicted, because everybody 603 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 6: knows all about it already, So there's nothing that you know. 604 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 6: This isn't something that's going to jolt the electorate. And 605 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 6: my question then is then what's the point of trying 606 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 6: them before election day? If everybody knows about all this 607 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 6: already and they can read the charges and it's very public, 608 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 6: then what's the big haste to have a trial before 609 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 6: election day? 610 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 5: I think that's a fabulous question that is being asked. 611 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 5: Fanny Willis, Fawnie Willis. I'm gonna keep calling her Fanny, 612 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 5: But is she done? What should happen to her? Based 613 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 5: on your knowledge of procedures and what your analysis of 614 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 5: the judge there McAfee his case. Obviously it's being appealed 615 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 5: in Georgia. What should happen? What will happen in your 616 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 5: mind based on those circumstances, Well, there's a. 617 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 6: Law in there's like practical reality. The law is an 618 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 6: appellate court should look at what McAfee did and say 619 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 6: it doesn't make any sense to get rid away and 620 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 6: not to get rid of will right, because there's an 621 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 6: odor of dishonesty hanging over the case. It's still hanging 622 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 6: over because of what she did with him. So that's 623 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 6: the law. I mean, she should be out. Then there's 624 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 6: practical reality. If I was Trump and I was like 625 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 6: prioritizing what things I should spend money on, in my defense, 626 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 6: I'd send a limo to her house every day to 627 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 6: make sure she gets to work, because she's the best 628 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 6: thing he's got going in that case. 629 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: It's amazing, it's astonishing. Andy, we haven't asked you since 630 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 2: we got you for a little bit more Florida. The 631 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: Florida case, is that the one that you think is 632 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: the least likely to come to anything before the election. 633 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's also Buck. 634 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 3: I think we talked about this before, but it's just 635 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 3: because of. 636 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 6: How hard it is to hash through all the classified 637 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 6: information issues. In federal law, you have to rule on 638 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 6: the admissibility of all the classified evidence before the trial, 639 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 6: so it's like having a pre trial trial of the trial, 640 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 6: and you're allowed to appeal. 641 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: Also, my understanding is that they've been trying to say, 642 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: if you're going to try to convict Donald Trump for 643 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 2: this stuff, the jury has to be able to see 644 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 2: how super secret sensitive the things are. And they're fighting that. 645 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: And you know that's I know about this just from 646 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: the old days and the agency and stuff. I think 647 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: they call it graymailing right when you are trying to 648 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: you know, use the classification. But in this case, I 649 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 2: think it's very valid because the whole point is, well, 650 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: this isn't just stuff that a president could take, it's 651 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 2: super secret. How could a jury convict a guy for 652 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: super secret information they're not allowed to know if it's 653 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: super secret or not. 654 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's exactly right. And I would point out that, 655 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 6: like the law Fair campaign would have a lot more 656 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 6: credibility if they had done one case, if they had 657 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 6: done the Florida case, gotten rid of all the classified 658 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 6: documents camps and just said look, we're going to do 659 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 6: this as a fast and nasty on Trump's obstruction of 660 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 6: the grand jury, where it wouldn't matter what the classified 661 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 6: documents said, because the only crime would be did he 662 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 6: lie about whether he turned over all of the documents 663 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 6: that had classified markings on them. It wouldn't even matter 664 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 6: what the substance of the documents were. You could have 665 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 6: done that case in two weeks and it's the strongest 666 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 6: case against him, and instead, what they decided to do 667 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 6: was throw everything they could possibly think about him. And 668 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 6: as a result, with three dozen classified information camps and 669 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 6: seepal litigation, you're not going to get the case to trial. 670 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 5: Andy, what are we not talking about that we should 671 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 5: be Maybe that's on the horizon that you're like, boy, 672 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 5: this could be a big issue in these legal proceedings 673 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 5: as they go forward. Is there anything out there that 674 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 5: you think people are missing or that we aren't talking 675 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 5: about that could be significant. 676 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 6: I think it's that we talk about the cases one 677 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 6: at a time, and to me, the due process violation 678 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 6: is the strategy to throw four trials at him under 679 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 6: circumstances where these cases are so complex that in an 680 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 6: ordinary defendant's case, you would get over a year to 681 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 6: get prepared for trial, and they're not only you know, 682 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 6: lining them up for four cases, they're making it impossible 683 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 6: for him to prepare adequately for any one because of 684 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 6: the quantity that they've thrown at him. I think our 685 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 6: tendency is as we've gone through it, because this is 686 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 6: the only way you can go through it, sensibly to 687 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 6: go through each case. But I think sometimes we don't 688 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 6: realize the cumulative effect of this is unbelievable, and it 689 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 6: will become unbelievable to people when they realize that in 690 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 6: criminal trials, a defendant has to be present in court 691 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 6: every day, every moment of the case. So you're talking 692 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 6: about taking the Republican nominee off the campaign trail and 693 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 6: locking him in a courtroom basically for somewhere between three 694 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 6: and nine months, depending on you know, how efficient they 695 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 6: can push these cases through. 696 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 2: Unbelievable and the latest up at National Review dot com 697 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 2: and look for people popping up on Fox. 698 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: But also of course here on the play in Buck show. 699 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 2: Andy, we appreciate you, good luck to your downtrodden metsu. 700 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 3: Appreciate you being with us. 701 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 2: Clay, it really looks like they're about to fire Ronald 702 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 2: McDaniel when they started her like just now, I mean 703 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: that it's a hiring firing, is what it's looking like. 704 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 2: I think we need to dive into this a little 705 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 2: bit more because this is even for live media. 706 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 3: This is nuts. Yeah, it's crazy. 707 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 5: Reports out there now for multiple different media outlets that 708 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 5: Ronal McDaniel is going to be fired because Rachel maddowl, 709 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 5: Joe Scarborough Mika Brazenski and Chuck Todd on MSNBC and 710 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 5: NBC were also outraged by her hiring. I think it's 711 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 5: a big story. I think it's this signature moment that. 712 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 2: Kind of illustrates how they could, they could make, you know, 713 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: right with their audiences. 714 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 3: Hire Clay and Buff for the Beate seventies,