WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Campaign Crossroads 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:04.000 The following. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.000 He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:07.800 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:10.840 Cowboys. 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:17.119 This he is Talking Cowboys Straining live. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.840 From the Dallas Cowboys World. 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.360 Course at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:29.080 Puson take burners here, let's got Kidzi puchdown. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:34.400 And now your hosts Isaiah standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:40.080 and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.360 It's a Talking Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.960 Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Frisco. 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.960 Texas, in the s w b C Studios. Welcome in everybody. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.600 We've got Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez with Chris. 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:55.160 Beam in the back. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.360 I'm Kyle Yeomans and since it's a Talking Tuesday, you 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:00.320 know what to do? 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:00.960 You know what to do? 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.160 Eight at eight eight five five two two nine seven 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:05.800 call eighty eight. 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:07.480 Okay, c y. 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.200 S yes, I say it's nine here. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.480 He forgot about the bit. 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:15.399 That's what I was thinking. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:15.759 My bad. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:21.360 It's okay, day. 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:29.400 Seven. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.760 That's Talking Tuesday. Baby. We're ready to rock. Thank you. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.160 Chrismer give us a call. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.920 We will answer those starting in the second segment. But 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.200 before that, Jerry Jones just got off the phone he 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:44.920 did with one O five three, the fan. 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.160 Flagship station of the Dallas Cowboys. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:54.240 Oh hey, and there were some convos whoa multiple convos 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.160 now I give credit to Sean R. J. 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:56.880 Bobby. 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:02.680 They kept peppering questions about trade, just captain trying to 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:06.040 get somewhat and Jerry Jones did a great job of 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.200 kind of deflecting a lot of that. But you can 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.639 still read in between the lines that there's wheels turning 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.080 whenever it comes to this stuff. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.480 There is And like you said, shouts out to those 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.760 three guys because they were just hammering at it man, 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.000 and he was just batting them away as besty. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:21.240 They were trying to get creative. 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.040 And they even threw some names out there that we 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.240 can't say on this wow, but he threw a couple 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.840 of pass rushers out there, who's uh serious names have 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.440 been tied to the Cowboys. And they asked him, yeah, 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.679 he's Jerry hey yeah, And they asked him if he 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.000 could provide some clarity and he was like no. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:40.280 No, straight up, he goes He's like no, yeah. 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:41.400 They would be tampering if he did. 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:42.720 And he did a lot. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.480 Of subterview as far as like when when Bobby asked 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.000 him about the linebackers possibly entertaining the trade to add 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:53.200 to the linebacker cord and he was like, not necessarily, no, 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.280 absolutely not, but then you never know. And then he 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.040 laughed and he was like, how's that answer for you? 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.760 So that just tells you, you know. But when you 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.440 combine what little they were able to pull out of 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.359 Jerry Jones in conjunction with what one O five three 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.239 the fan was able to speak to and with Stephen 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.240 Jones about yesterday, they've been making calls. I mean, Stephen 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.520 Jones told the fan yesterday that they had called the 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.799 other every one of the other thirty one teams. Now, 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.360 of course he painted it with the broad stroke of saying, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.920 you know, that's just us doing our due diligence and 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:24.960 seeing what's out there. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.520 But they're on the phone. They're on the phone. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.359 But and remember their whole and so are you call 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.359 in talking out that I can sprinkle that in there 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.560 the whole thought process from the Jones families. 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.800 A lot of times, especially when it comes to the draft, 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.200 that they want the phone to ring. But the fact 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.840 that they are being aggressive at least shows that they 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.080 see the problem too, And I feel like anybody can 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.000 see the problem. I feel like that's an obvious think, Steve, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:54.280 It's not hard to diagnose. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.640 Now, they see the problem and they want to find. 0:03:58.080 --> 0:03:59.400 You can see what they're doing. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.920 Yeah, so it at least gives a little bit of 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.560 clarity the fact that there could be something done. The 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.200 weird part about it is now we're less than seven 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.720 days away, correct from the NFL trade deadline. It's a 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.760 week from today, right Tuesday Afternoonuesday afternoons. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.120 So yeah, we are. 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.479 Seven days away and you'll have anybody less than twenty 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.720 four hours from That's what's key Monday Night football and 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.680 what happens on Monday against the Cardinals to then turn 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.919 around and make a deal. Right, you're going into your 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.200 bye week, which is good, ye, However, not a lot 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:35.400 of time to make a decision. 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.320 Well, you know, they said deadlines make deals, and that's 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:43.080 rarely more true within the NFL than with this organization. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.160 Yes, so you know. 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.159 Jerry was also asked if because he said Jerry did 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.159 after the Broncos lost. He said that game in and 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.760 of itself doesn't color their thought process as far as 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.760 how they would approach the trade deadline. I honestly don't 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.400 know that I believe that, ye, because I don't know 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.840 how you watch that game and then say to yourself, 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.120 you know, let's just watch that that doesn't really affect 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.039 I don't see how you say that, But he did 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:09.040 believe it. 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:10.280 If you choose, dude, it's up to you. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:15.040 I don't But that being said, if I believe if 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.799 you lose this game to the Cardinals, I don't see 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.120 how you're not on it. If you're of the mindset, 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.120 if you're on team you can save this season. If 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.279 you're on that team and the front office is going 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.880 to be on that team if they lose to the Cardinals, 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.760 then I don't see how you're on that team and 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.200 then don't get on the phone and try to make 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:33.240 a deal at the deadline. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.719 I think I don't know, man, when you're looking at 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.800 it microscopically, how we are week to week and you know, 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.600 result by result, game by game. In terms of how 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.320 they look at it, I mean, they're kind of like 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.640 the benajeser It in Dune. It's like they think in century, 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.440 you know what I mean, you're thinking long term in 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.840 this way, But if you're looking at the season as 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.480 a whole. You haven't had a repeat performance this entire season. 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:01.440 The season is literally what the Cowboys are lost, win loss, 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:06.640 tie win loss, win loss. And by the way, last 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.600 week you won forty four to twenty two. This last 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.240 week you lost twenty four forty four. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.160 Yeah, almost completely flipped. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:19.080 It's you were literally admit you are mid right now. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.120 So it should be no surprise to them. They built 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.719 the roster, they know the personnel. It's they're not performing 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.560 to the level that they expected at this point. So yeah, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.680 I don't see how the Broncos loss could affect you 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.480 in a way to be like, oh, well, you know. 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.120 Sell sell sell or bye bye bye. It is the 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:40.719 result of what you've built. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:45.080 So now you have to make decisions. The deadline is here, Yeah, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:50.159 but they've set up many occasions that everybody else's deadline 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.560 is not necessarily their deadline. Deadlines make deals, This is 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:57.520 absolutely true. But if they're not willing to in the 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.080 next two or three days make a trade that will 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.599 impact this team, what else. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:03.120 Can we expect? 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.560 You know, it's well, it's up in the air. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.000 I'm frustrated. You have and you should be, as we 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:15.480 all are. You have to do something if you are 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.560 of the mice. And again, there are two trains of 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.120 thought here, all right, So choose the train that you 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.240 want to, you know, travel down the tracks. With one 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.800 train of thought is season's over. Let's focus on the draft, 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.600 keep your draft picks, build for the future, reload the defense. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.520 If that's your train of thought, so be it. If 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.720 your train of thought is the other one, which is 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.520 you can save the season. You don't want to waste 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.000 the window of Dak Prescott in this play. You don't 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.320 know if George Pickens is going to return for next season. 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.800 You want to take advantage of this offense is five 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.600 power while you can. You have to do something, so 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.160 be it trade and or go out into free agency. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.120 You have guys in free agency, particularly at the safety position. 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.280 I mean you news and notes. Would you like a 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:02.880 news and note? 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:03.120 Yeah? 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:03.800 Your safety position? 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.160 Now, le's talk about Okay, Well, Elijah Clark per Brian 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:10.440 Schottenheimer is going to be out a couple of weeks. Oh, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.720 he just lost another safety. So let me recap. Malik 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.440 Hooker is on injured reserve and shot. He said yesterday 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.440 that this is not the week that Malak's twenty one 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.000 day practice window will begin. So Malik Hooker is still 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.320 on an I arm. Donovan Wilson missed last week's game. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:24.600 We don't know if he's going to play this game. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.600 The one year Thomas is now miss two games with 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.520 my grains, and that's a real tenuous situation. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.000 We don't know if he's going to be able to play. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:31.720 The developing thing for him, he's. 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.559 A developing thing and it's new to him. I had 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.439 that conversation with him. So he's trying to figure out 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.520 how to manage my grains because he's not had them 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.320 until recently. So from a safety position, you have Marquise Bell. 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:44.760 Oh I'm sorry. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.320 Were you expected me to continue? You have Marquise Bell. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.080 That's I mean, you had to put your nickel corner 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.839 ready Stewart back at safety. So I say that to say, 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.880 you know, I think you have to do a combination 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.800 of things. I think you have to look into a 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.800 trade scenario and you have to dip your foot into 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.200 free agency right now. If you're of the train of 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.000 thought that you can save this season. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.680 I think and just a playoff of your point, and 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.200 I said this yesterday. With the way that we've gotten 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.160 here as a franchise as an organization. I don't think 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:18.720 anybody before the season was realistic, realistically saying this roster 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.440 is an eleven twelve, thirteen wins team. Nobody said that. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.520 It was more like seven eight nine, depending on who 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:26.040 you talked to. 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.360 I was of the mind that you maybe get to ten. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.319 I was of the mind that with a healthy dapt 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.559 pressout you could win ten games. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.840 But he probably also had Michael on this team before 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:37.720 the season before. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:38.640 That's fair. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:43.520 But we also didn't anticipate the offense being as high 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:44.559 powered as it has been. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:45.760 We knew it was going to be good. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.520 Did we anticipated being a number one, number two offense 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:50.240 in the country. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:51.080 Probably not. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.679 But then you didn't realize this defense would be a 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.120 bottom one, bottom two defense in the league as well. 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.560 You thought it would be somewhat serviceable. And we've had 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.480 that conver station plenty. So with all that to be said, 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.640 how we've gotten here is now you're looking at Dak 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:10.000 Prescott's window of really good football. And so I said 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.120 it yesterday, you have to do something. You can't just 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.240 sit on your hands. You're either going to have to 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.360 build toward next year in the year after that by 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.720 making a move that encompasses twenty six and twenty seven, 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.360 much like they did with the Mica trade. Or go 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:27.960 all in on your defense right now because your offense 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.640 as long as you've got extra possessions. 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.240 I have no problem on the offensive side of the ball. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.320 So I think you're at a corporation crossroads right now, 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.200 a campaigns crossroads whenever it comes to how are you 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.319 going to handle this? And it's like that a lot 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.600 of that's going to happen over this next seven days. Yes, indeed, 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.520 whatever this campaign is going to be for the Cowboys 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.520 is happening between now and what is it, three pm 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.120 Central Time PM Central town four next next week, next Tuesday, 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.760 next Tuesday. So there's there's a cross roads that you're 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.320 at right now, and you got to find which way 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:03.560 you just decide to go down. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.600 I don't know which way they're gonna go. I know 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:07.439 I would go. 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:11.600 Toward let's not waste the MVP window and let's not 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.720 waste what Dak has been doing throughout this season. I 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.080 know he came off a bad game and there were 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.120 a lot of comments yesterday, oh my god, it's Dak 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:18.880 Prescott again. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:20.480 Stop it. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.760 He was playing at an incredibly high level use that 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:24.680 as you continue. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.559 And if that's the case, what do you do right now? 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.160 What two positions do you got. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:28.920 To get a pass rusher? 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.480 Rusher saying so, do you trade for a pass rusher? 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:31.880 Yes? 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.400 And then free agency is that involved in your decision making? 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:37.600 I don't know how many free agents that are on 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.320 the street are going to just come in and be 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.920 a not a passmaker at safety or really anafety. 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:44.360 I mean, who I think you need? 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.160 You need an impact guy at the edge, just need 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.040 a stabilizer at safety. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.880 Now I need a linebacker, I need another innerback. I 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:54.959 don't I need. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:55.720 I just don't see them. 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:56.679 I don't think they're. 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.360 There's one on the way that's kind of a big deal, 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.679 and whether you like it or not, the expectation will 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:05.360 be the expectation. 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.800 I need about nine to ten guys on defense. How's 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:12.880 that extra? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see. I don't think 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.200 they're that far out. I know they're bad, and I 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.080 know the statistics are bad, but I don't think they're 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:17.559 that far out. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:18.120 I think if you. 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:22.160 Get some level and resemblance of a pass rush that 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.719 is capable of opening things up, then I think you're 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.559 going to start to see the play of Dante Faller 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.880 Junior take a step forward, the play of Donovan as 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.560 a rock who take a step forward. Marshaw Kneeland doesn't 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.160 have to put pressure on himself to be a pass rusher, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:36.520 and he can kind of just defend the run like 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.640 he was drafted to do. There's a lot of things 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.560 that will happen if you get one pass rusher, an 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.240 elite level pass rusher, which is going to cost you. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:44.160 In the middle of the season. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.720 It's going to cost you, however, the safety position corner, 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.600 whatever you do. If you want to trade a day two, 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.120 Day three pick to get there. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.160 Then maybe you do it. But I don't think there's 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.719 that guy just out there on the open market, right I. 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.280 Would argue there's you could definitely improve by getting another 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.600 guy in the middle, and not necessarily a pass rusher, 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.400 because I think absolutely doing that would cost you less 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.520 because they're not trading two ones for an interior defense. 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.840 So you're saying do that instead of a pass rusher. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.000 Yes, Oh man, I'm thinking. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.160 You got to have a password because that to Coyle's point, 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:20.720 and I've said. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.400 If you can control the line of scriptage and stop 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:23.760 the run, permanently. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.880 Defence from Oh, you're you're talking about interior defensive line. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.240 I thought you're talking about middle as in like lineback. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.680 That's so I'm fine with that too. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.520 I'm okay with that too, if you're controlling the defensive front. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:37.560 But the argument that I had. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:38.760 The other day, or the debate that I had the 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.920 other day with Isaiah, was you've had the best interior 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.480 defensive line play you've had in decades. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:46.200 And now it's not holding up. 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:46.720 And it's not. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.679 It's not because because there is no threat of a 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.600 pass right correct, one begets the other correct. But I'm saying, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.720 if you have another guy, solidified guy next to Kenny 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.480 Clark that is able to stop the run, absolutely stop it, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.319 the outside will feast. I think I have a I 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.520 have an inkling of opportunity there there because instance, I'm 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.720 not forgetting about what James Houston was able to provide 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.800 and perry On Winfrey like, if we saw what we 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.880 saw from training camp and we saw from preseason, if 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.040 he's healthy enough to get back this year, I mean 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.680 that's a plus. That's on the plus side. If he 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.800 gets back. I haven't heard anything about him, you. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:24.760 Know, same neither have I I would say that there. Yeah, 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.840 maybe there is a point to be made that you're 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.560 making in that there are instances where okay, if you 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:35.120 drop another impact guy on that defensive tackle in that 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.360 defensive tackle room and you put him next to Kenny Clark, Okay, 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:39.520 I see where you're going with that. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:40.400 I see what you're cooking. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.760 But more often than not, you have to look at 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:47.760 the fact that even when the run defense through let's 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.880 say the first four five ish games, the first the 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:53.920 run def. 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.600 For Carolina, Yeah, run defense, or before New York because 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:57.800 Breese Hall players say that. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.880 But now you're starting to see what's ha For example, JK. Dobbins, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.880 a lot of his runs were attacking that. Yes, absolutely right, 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.560 So yeah, throw another body of the defensive tackle. It 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.760 looks great, sounds great, It will work as far as 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:15.720 keeping them from running ab but hit c right Chester edges. 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.520 Your edges are not playing well in definit of the 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.160 run and they're not rushing the passer. So for me, 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.560 it's you know, you ask Osa to take the step up, 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.880 Sally to take the step back up. So those guys 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.880 plus Kenny Clark, that trio was doing work in the 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.360 first four games. You asked those guys to do work again. 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.320 But in helping them do that, you add an impact, 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.520 not just an impact, but a game breaking pass rush, 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.480 which then combines with that also helps your linebackers, also 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.280 helps your secondary, shortens the coverage windows if you can 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.040 get into more, and then the safety issue that you 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:52.080 have depth wise and performance wise becomes masked much more so. 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.680 Then if you say, Okay, I want to trade for 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.000 this costly pass rusher. Yeah, I don't want to trade 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.960 for a costly pass rusher and for costly safety. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.080 Fine, cool, give me up. You're probably as rusher. 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.880 And then you go and get a capable, veteran proven 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.000 safety to stabilize that unit back there. And now you're 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.120 cooking or maybe like you do what KYL just say, 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.760 you give a Day three pick away and then maybe you. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:17.640 Can fourth round pick and get you a pretty good. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.840 You know, you know what, because you're gonna get compicks anyway, 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.560 and this team loves the fact that they have the 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.040 compicks and you can find up those compics. So there's 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:25.920 ways to make this happen. You just need to go 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:26.600 make it happen. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.560 But I think there's no argument that you need extra 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:30.320 pieces on defense. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.360 They currently do not have. And I think. 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.760 That's that's the crux of it, and that would be 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.160 the problem if a week. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:37.200 From now nothing has happened. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.120 That's where I'm at. You gotta do something. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.400 You can't just sit here before you're poking it with 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:41.800 a stick. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.720 Yes, please just do something. 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:48.160 And Josh brings up great points and he made the 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.720 joke at the beginning of the segment of you need 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.440 a corner, you need a safety, you need a linebacker, 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.160 you need a defensive tackle, you need an addresser. 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:55.360 They need all of it. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:57.800 But where is it going to give you the most 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.480 bang for your buck right now with what you do have? 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.920 And that's where I lean pass rusher because I think 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.960 it opens everything up. I agree with you adding an 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.199 extra three tech that can stop the run awesome, But 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.719 you can't give up your entire future to try and 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.920 trade for five or six guys on the defensive side, 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.200 and wanted them to be included as a three teche. 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.280 I'm just not willing to part with those ones quite yet. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.000 I'm willing to take fee. I'm willing to take a 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.639 bet on a three or four or two. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.040 One of those ones, putting them in one of Isaiah's 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:32.200 paper airplanes and I'm sending that thing and let's see 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.920 what it hooks. And one of those AFC teams, see 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.720 what it hooks the green Bay Green Bays base because 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.160 it's gonna be And don't trade. 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.200 Don't trade your twenty seven first. Please you don't, because 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:46.840 that draft's gonna be nuts. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.080 All right. I'm with you. I have the internal struggle 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.760 and I'm with you, guys. I think we're already together. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.640 Page there's something, do something. This defense is not good 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:57.959 and you need to do something. 0:17:58.720 --> 0:17:58.800 No. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:00.639 I like campaign cross, I like that. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:01.159 I like that. 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:02.440 Hey, that was a bar. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:03.119