Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset.
Speaker 2: When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a brid egg
Speaker 2: Friday Egg Frida Egg Friday Friday.
Speaker 3: Bride Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off the
Speaker 3: golf course.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Friday Golf Podcast. We are back. What
Speaker 4: an exciting week.
Speaker 3: I think that nobody was really expecting such a big
Speaker 3: week in golf, but we you know, golf always delivers.
Speaker 4: We get a Rory McElroy win in Dubai.
Speaker 3: Uh, we get a Lydia co win in Florida, and
Speaker 3: then to top things off, while the while the big
Speaker 3: football weekend, I think Nick Dunlap actually kind of took
Speaker 3: some of football's audience away as an amateur one for
Speaker 3: the first time on the PGA Tour since nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: one since Phil Mickelson.
Speaker 4: So pretty historic weekend.
Speaker 3: Not really something that you would have thought would happen
Speaker 3: with the with the AMX, it's usually kind of a
Speaker 3: sleepy weekend that seeds to the to the football. But
Speaker 3: I do think that there were, you know, golf fans
Speaker 3: that were lured away from football for once. So today
Speaker 3: I am joined by Friday Golf's Joseph Lamannia and Garrett Morrison.
Speaker 3: We've got a fun exercise. We're gonna we're gonna talk
Speaker 3: a little bit about a couple of things. We're gonna
Speaker 3: do segment we're rolling out in and out where we're
Speaker 3: in on something, out on something, and then we're gonna
Speaker 3: roll into a discussion about a potential world tour. Rory
Speaker 3: McElroy and Keith Pelly have been kind of beating the
Speaker 3: drum on this, the idea that golf needs to go
Speaker 3: global with the you know, kind of framework agreement, the
Speaker 3: private equity money that they're bringing in. So we decided,
Speaker 3: why don't we build out what a world tour could
Speaker 3: look like and where it could go for the elite
Speaker 3: players in the professional and the men's professional game.
Speaker 4: So excited to get this going.
Speaker 3: Joseph Garrett thoughts on the weekend, do you think that
Speaker 3: we cut into football at all?
Speaker 1: Joseph, I'll get your take on this. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't really I don't really watch football myself, but I
Speaker 1: understand that it's quite a popular sport.
Speaker 5: I'm a huge football fan.
Speaker 2: I have to say I respectfully disagree with Andy's take
Speaker 2: that golf should steer away from football and Andy.
Speaker 1: Andy says that golf shouldn't.
Speaker 5: Steer away from right, I think it should.
Speaker 1: You think it should run scared.
Speaker 5: I think it should.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it should run scared, but
Speaker 2: I do think it should find its windows that aren't
Speaker 2: competing with the most popular sport in America. That said,
Speaker 2: we got a little bit of a blowout towards the
Speaker 2: end of Lion's Buccaneers yesterday, which played well with Dunlap
Speaker 2: being in contention, So it works in that sense. I
Speaker 2: definitely was glued to both. I was double screening it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, really exciting weekend in golf and Dounlap being
Speaker 2: in contention.
Speaker 5: That was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, clearly they the PGA Tour got a
Speaker 1: little bit more from this weekend than it had any
Speaker 1: right to expect, and so that was a big win
Speaker 1: for the PGA Tour this weekend. Obviously. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't think I normally would have even tuned in too
Speaker 1: Sunday at the American Express, you know, and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to pace myself here at the beginning of the year
Speaker 1: with my professional golf consumption, but certainly I was I
Speaker 1: was locked in to the last few holes. It was
Speaker 1: absolutely engrossing. And you just never know when these things
Speaker 1: are going to pop up. Golf is golf is so
Speaker 1: random like that, and so it's obviously a great weekend.
Speaker 3: It's just a it's a big marker of why they
Speaker 3: need to get talented people in the field with sponsors exemptions.
Speaker 5: It's just perfect.
Speaker 1: You think it's a well, I think it's the perfect example,
Speaker 1: honestly of why they should let Zack Johnson in the
Speaker 1: field whenever possible. What was he t twenty five this
Speaker 1: week or something?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Right, Yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Was nice story.
Speaker 3: Nobody could have seen that regression coming. All right, let's
Speaker 3: get into in and out news segment. We're going to
Speaker 3: do this weekly on this show just quickly. You know,
Speaker 3: it could be anything. Could be I'm in on uh
Speaker 3: on iron Head covers, if you wanted to get into that.
Speaker 3: It could be I'm out on uh on walking and
Speaker 3: carrying your bag and golf, but you know that's not
Speaker 3: gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I would be in on iron Head's iron Head covers.
Speaker 5: That's a huge opportunity. If they haven't done that.
Speaker 1: If they haven't already merchandised that. Then that's a that's
Speaker 1: a big miss.
Speaker 3: All right, let's start, Joseph, you kick things off. What
Speaker 3: are you in on this week?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 2: My, these these are actually both related to AMX. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be that way every week,
Speaker 2: but I am in on the way Justin Thomas handled
Speaker 2: the downswing in his career, and I think it's a
Speaker 2: very good lesson for a lot of junior golfers out
Speaker 2: there or aspiring professional golfers the way Justin Thomas how
Speaker 2: poorly he was playing last summer, he acknowledged it. He
Speaker 2: didn't pretend like it wasn't happening. He was accepting of it.
Speaker 2: He talked about it. He wasn't offended when somebody asked
Speaker 2: him about it. He posted some really bad scores and
Speaker 2: fought back the next day. At the Open Championship last year,
Speaker 2: he shot eighty two in the opening round, didn't withdraw,
Speaker 2: fought back, shot seventy one. The next day. At the
Speaker 2: US Open at LACC he shot seventy three to eighty one.
Speaker 2: Back to back majors with scores in the eighties, and
Speaker 2: he's battled back. He played through it again. It accepted
Speaker 2: that it was happening. To him kind of Scheffler, like
Speaker 2: when Scotti Scheffler has talked about, for example, going into
Speaker 2: the final round of the Masters, not sure if he's
Speaker 2: able to do it. I just think the modern athlete
Speaker 2: is more willing to let us in on their struggles
Speaker 2: a little bit and acknowledge that it's happening instead of
Speaker 2: running from it. And now Justin Thomas has four top
Speaker 2: fives in a row, sort of soft setups, like one
Speaker 2: of those is the Hero World Challenge, but he kind
Speaker 2: of feels back, and I think it's an exceptional example
Speaker 2: to young golfers out there of how to handle a
Speaker 2: down swing in your career, because it can happen to anybody.
Speaker 4: Mine is also Justin Thomas, so we're wow.
Speaker 1: I was the most Justin Thomas love that has ever
Speaker 1: happened on this podcast.
Speaker 5: That's for sure.
Speaker 3: So anyways, I think, like one of the things you said, Scheffler,
Speaker 3: like I.
Speaker 4: Would say that the way he handled his down swing
Speaker 4: was on Scheffler.
Speaker 3: Like if you recall last summer, Scottie Scheffler going through
Speaker 3: putting woes similar to Justin Thomas's woes obviously, like not
Speaker 3: similar in like the way they're playing since Scotty Scheffler
Speaker 3: was the best player in the world at the time,
Speaker 3: but puttig's holding him back from winning wreckers setting amounts.
Speaker 3: It's very there's a putting problem, Scottie Scheffler was saying
Speaker 3: it was a media narrative when he's you know, finishing
Speaker 3: in the back have the field week after week, like
Speaker 3: complete opposite of how Scheffler handled that situation was so
Speaker 3: open and talked about it. I think the other thing
Speaker 3: he's been grinding. He's been signing up for events, making
Speaker 3: sure that he's he's qualifying for things like playing at
Speaker 3: the end of last year, you know at the three
Speaker 3: M which he missed the cut, and then the Windom
Speaker 3: which you know he almost chipped in to make the
Speaker 3: FedEx Cup playoffs, playing this week at Amax because he
Speaker 3: needed to make sure that he stayed in the top
Speaker 3: thirty of the owgr for the designated events spot exemption.
Speaker 4: So doing things.
Speaker 3: But like the big thing I see with justin Thomas's game,
Speaker 3: the approach play is back. He has got back that
Speaker 3: that skill that you know makes him an elite player.
Speaker 3: He's not the longest player, he's not the best putter,
Speaker 3: but he is one of the great greatest iron players
Speaker 3: in the game, and that seems to be back whatever
Speaker 3: they tried to do with that golf swing that got
Speaker 3: him into the funk. I believe that they did some
Speaker 3: tickering that got him into a funk. He and you know,
Speaker 3: really what he had to do was get out of it.
Speaker 3: He had to undo what they had, what they had
Speaker 3: tried to change in his golf swing. And it looks
Speaker 3: like it's undone and he is back. All the poo
Speaker 3: pool noodles, the people making fun of the pool noodles
Speaker 3: when he was you know, posting is his you know
Speaker 3: what he was doing to grind on his golf game.
Speaker 4: The pool noodles are working.
Speaker 3: So I'm in on the pool pool noodles rehearsals, and
Speaker 3: I'm in on Justin Thomas for twenty twenty four. And
Speaker 3: I think he's super important for the PGA Tour. As
Speaker 3: you know, the Rob departure, the PGA Tour needed him
Speaker 3: or speed and or. It'd be great if both of
Speaker 3: them kind of stepped up and became the superstars they
Speaker 3: used to be. And it looks like Justin Thomas is
Speaker 3: on his way back to superstardom.
Speaker 1: Look, there's a lot of Justin Thomas haters out there.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to name names who might be feeling
Speaker 1: a little bit bashful right now, maybe not speaking up
Speaker 1: and uh and and that would be that would be me.
Speaker 1: I'm on the record as not not digging his vibe,
Speaker 1: but I totally agree with you guys that he has
Speaker 1: handled this downturn really well and it seems like it
Speaker 1: seems like he's back. But it's no surprise really that
Speaker 1: that he's back.
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent ready to say Justin Thomas
Speaker 2: is back, And I think that's an interesting conversation in
Speaker 2: and of itself, like, is Justin Thomas back?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 2: Some of the courses he's done really well on recently
Speaker 2: like that were declaring him back a lot of driver wedge,
Speaker 2: not the most demanding setups. So I am still interested
Speaker 2: to see how the long game is. He's hitting some
Speaker 2: loose long irons. You didn't have to do a lot
Speaker 2: of that at AMX. So I don't think I'm ready
Speaker 2: to say that he's fully back.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 1: So should I do what I'm in on?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: San Diego, I'm in on San Diego as a as
Speaker 1: a like, you know, a spot to go on a trip,
Speaker 1: especially if you're a golfer. There aren't like some like
Speaker 1: super strong courses in San Diego, but it's an extremely
Speaker 1: pleasant place to visit. Obviously, the weather's really good, airports solid,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of fun things to do in town. Look,
Speaker 1: I've been to San Diego many times. I have family
Speaker 1: in San Diego, and it's not exactly a hot take
Speaker 1: to say that it's a great place to go, but
Speaker 1: specifically for golfers, you know, if you're looking for like
Speaker 1: a city to go to and play some cool golf
Speaker 1: while also doing other stuff with your family, I think
Speaker 1: San Diego is a great candidate because yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: we've said what we've said about Tory Pines that the
Speaker 1: South Course isn't what it could be, but it's a
Speaker 1: public course that's right on the Pacific Ocean cliffs, and
Speaker 1: that's pretty incredible. It's a great place to spend a day.
Speaker 1: And I'd recommend the North Course. I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it's more fun to play. But the San Diego
Speaker 1: public municipal course that I can really get behind is
Speaker 1: Balboa Park. There's a lot of things that have gone
Speaker 1: wrong with Balboa Park, and you know, it's the stewardship
Speaker 1: of its architecture, which is best credited to William P.
Speaker 6: Bell.
Speaker 1: That's Billy Bell Senior. Nineteen thirty three or so is
Speaker 1: when he did his design there. And the original design
Speaker 1: looks looks awesome, And obviously they've departed from that quite
Speaker 1: a bit as things have grown up around the course.
Speaker 1: But what you still have at Balboa Park is golf
Speaker 1: on big landforms like big bluffs and barankas with views
Speaker 1: of the San Diego skyline. It's an incredible place to
Speaker 1: play golf. And yeah, a lot of the holes are
Speaker 1: kind of funky. They did some bad things to the
Speaker 1: greens and there's there's some things that I wish they
Speaker 1: would fix. But when it comes down to it, this
Speaker 1: is a really outstanding place to play some municipal golf.
Speaker 1: And then after year round you can go to this
Speaker 1: little restaurant that they have. I forget what it's called,
Speaker 1: but it's like a great place to get a breakfast
Speaker 1: or a brunch and it overlooks the golf course and
Speaker 1: has views of the skyline and everything. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's just a wonderful place. So yeah, highly recommend San
Speaker 1: Diego as a golf and kind of destination.
Speaker 5: It's hard to have a bad day in San Diego.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've been seeing some pro San Diego
Speaker 2: sentiment on social media recently, so I think this is
Speaker 2: your playing in.
Speaker 5: A good way. It's a trend, it might be. But
Speaker 5: also torri Pines week this week, so.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm mentioning it. By the way, I should
Speaker 1: have probably mentioned that at the beginning. That's why it's
Speaker 1: on my mind. We're going to Tory Pines this this
Speaker 1: week for the the you know, no longer the Farmers
Speaker 1: and I guess it's the Farmer's Insurance this year. But
Speaker 1: it's not going to be for very much longer the
Speaker 1: San Diego Open, so let's hope that tournament continues.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do one thing that I'm out on
Speaker 2: and want to address something that Andy said.
Speaker 1: With that.
Speaker 2: What I'm out on, I'm out on Scottie Scheffler's putting
Speaker 2: right now, and this.
Speaker 5: Was a little bit of a story over the off season.
Speaker 4: I think he should go to the broomstick.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think every player should experiment with the broomstick.
Speaker 5: To be frank, but as much as I don't. There's
Speaker 5: a whole other.
Speaker 2: Conversation should be banned, the broomstick, which maybe is for
Speaker 2: another day. But Scotti Scheffler's putting looks like a problem,
Speaker 2: and it was a huge problem last year held him back.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I fully agree with you Andy
Speaker 2: that he was in complete denial about it. I feel
Speaker 2: like some of his comments I'd have to revisit some
Speaker 2: of that. But I feel like some of his comments
Speaker 2: were more around there's a lot of variance in putting,
Speaker 2: and I'm just going to keep doing my thing and
Speaker 2: it'll come back eventually. I don't know if he went
Speaker 2: full Hey, this is just a media narrative, but I
Speaker 2: would need to revisit some of those comments.
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of crooked media coming out
Speaker 1: of him.
Speaker 5: There might have been there might you.
Speaker 1: Could tell, You could tell that he was there with it.
Speaker 2: But I think generally Scotti Scheffler has a mindset that's
Speaker 2: accepting of his own imperfections, whether that's with his mentality
Speaker 2: or with his skills on the course. But all that aside.
Speaker 2: Watched a lot of Scotti Scheffler this past week on
Speaker 2: featured groups. Putting looks off. He hit all eighteen greens yesterday,
Speaker 2: really impressive shot one of the low rounds of the day,
Speaker 2: barely gained any strokes putting. The only other day that
Speaker 2: had shot link data so you can capture strokes gained.
Speaker 2: He lost over a shot on the greens. It just
Speaker 2: it looks not great. And sure some of that is noise,
Speaker 2: small sample, but we've now seen for longer than a year.
Speaker 2: It looks like a problem. There are some setups where
Speaker 2: it's going to hurt you more than others. Amex is
Speaker 2: somewhere that being a bad putters more of a problem
Speaker 2: than other golf courses on the PGA Tour, But I
Speaker 2: think it's something to watch. Looks shaky and it's going
Speaker 2: to hold him back, and especially some of these soft setups.
Speaker 3: Hard to disagree there, obviously. I think the other aspect
Speaker 3: of this is that, you know, major championships and just
Speaker 3: golf tournaments in general. I think one of the amazing
Speaker 3: things I always think about and about golf is that
Speaker 3: in high leverage situations, you know, the sport always has
Speaker 3: a way of exposing your flaws or making you overcome
Speaker 3: one of your weaknesses. Right, if you think back to
Speaker 3: LACC the Rory wedge on fourteen, right, the wedges have
Speaker 3: been a problem, and you know, sure enough coming down
Speaker 3: the stretch he had to hit a wedge and he didn't.
Speaker 4: You think about Scottie Scheffler.
Speaker 3: To win big time golf tournaments, you have to make putts,
Speaker 3: and you have to make those five foot like. The
Speaker 3: thing that's scary to me is the I almost feel
Speaker 3: like it's similar to like Hideki Massiyama, where when you
Speaker 3: just see these four or five footers that just don't
Speaker 3: even hit the hole. It's not like they're lipping out
Speaker 3: because he's catching a lot of cup and it's just, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, it was a good putt, but maybe misrounded
Speaker 3: a little bit. He hits putts that missed the hole
Speaker 3: from four or five feet, you know, fairly not I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna say regularly, but fairly often like you see these,
Speaker 3: and that is the big problem, is that there is
Speaker 3: something fundamentally wrong I think with whether it's mental or
Speaker 3: whether it's technique, I don't know, but like to me,
Speaker 3: he seems like I think one of the one of
Speaker 3: the things we see I and I I you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know what the current setup is, but it
Speaker 3: seems like he knows the putting's an issue, and he's
Speaker 3: working really, really really hard to not make an issue.
Speaker 3: I think putting's one of those things that, like, the
Speaker 3: more you work at it, sometimes the worse it can get,
Speaker 3: if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's like it's one of those mental games.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, We're all familiar with these where you just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's like free throws. It's uh, there
Speaker 1: are a few athletic things that are that are like this,
Speaker 1: but we're all familiar with it in our own lives,
Speaker 1: right where you just get something in your head and
Speaker 1: becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 3: Buffalo kickers in the fourth quarter of God Martin playoff
Speaker 3: Games and you know.
Speaker 5: The right miss.
Speaker 3: But but anyways, I think like one of the things
Speaker 3: with him is that he needs to actually like kind
Speaker 3: of try less because a couple of years ago, the
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying the allure of Scottie Scheffler
Speaker 3: is worn off because all he's done is gotten better
Speaker 3: from tea to green, But the allure of Scottie Scheffler
Speaker 3: was that, look at this guy, He's great at everything.
Speaker 4: Like he's really good a really good putter, a really good.
Speaker 1: I thought he was a good putter basically until this,
Speaker 1: until the second half of last year. I I you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that the stats didn't bear that out at that point,
Speaker 1: but my impression of him was this guy has a
Speaker 1: really strong short game, including.
Speaker 4: Well that was the yeah.
Speaker 3: So so anyways, the lure of Scheffler is like, there
Speaker 3: are only so many guys on the PGA Tour who
Speaker 3: are really above average to elite at every skill set,
Speaker 3: and I feel like he was one of those guys.
Speaker 3: And uh and and now it's you know, this is
Speaker 3: the the the amazing thing about golf, right, It can
Speaker 3: put It can put you through mental gymnastics and and
Speaker 3: wrap you up like a pretzel. And it seems like
Speaker 3: the putters got into that state with with Scheffler.
Speaker 1: All right, Andy, what are you out on?
Speaker 4: All right? I'm you know what I'm out on.
Speaker 3: I'm out on on multi course pro am golf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the PG especially without the without the shot link.
Speaker 4: No shot link.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got foursomes with on Saturday with you know,
Speaker 3: we got just like guys playing And I'm fine, I'm
Speaker 3: fine with the pro I under stand that you know
Speaker 3: that these these tournaments need to generate cash and have
Speaker 3: some sort of angle. But I think it's way more
Speaker 3: palatable the way that the AT and T Pebble Beach
Speaker 3: is going this year with like a smaller field and
Speaker 3: only a couple days. Like, you just can't have these
Speaker 3: guys out there on the weekend. You can't have the
Speaker 3: field split between three courses like they did this year
Speaker 3: at Palm Springs that they always do. You've got Nick
Speaker 3: Dunlop Dunlap, I got the gips with his name, Nick Dunlap.
Speaker 3: You can't have Nick Dunlap out there threatening to break
Speaker 3: fifty or sixty, you know, shooting up the leader board,
Speaker 3: playing the most That was probably the most consequential round
Speaker 3: of the tournament. And there's no cameras around because he's
Speaker 3: playing Lakita when all the big names are playing PGA
Speaker 3: to ur at PGA West. Like, I don't like the
Speaker 3: split courses, split days for the sake of competition.
Speaker 6: This is the.
Speaker 4: Biggest golf league there is, and like the.
Speaker 3: Competition cannot be sacrificed so often with these setups. Obviously
Speaker 3: we've got one this week with North and South at Tory. Again,
Speaker 3: we don't have shot link this is twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: We're in twenty twenty four. This shouldn't like there should
Speaker 3: be enough personnel enough. There's a multi billion dollar league
Speaker 3: that we should have shot link across two courses. Two
Speaker 3: courses I'm our right with, you know, with no amateurs
Speaker 3: on them, three courses with you know, the t sheet
Speaker 3: full of amateurs like pace a play a disaster. Like
Speaker 3: you imagine you're trying to win a tournament and you're
Speaker 3: you're playing with a fifteen handicap on Saturday, and I
Speaker 3: know that's really cool for the fifteen handicap. And if
Speaker 3: you look through the list of amateurs, there are a
Speaker 3: lot of heavy hitters and that's why they pay top
Speaker 3: dollar to play at Palm Springs. But you just can't
Speaker 3: have it for the sake the competition, you know. I
Speaker 3: think the PGA Tour needs to make a decision, especially
Speaker 3: with the new what's coming down the pipe with this
Speaker 3: money reshaping the league. Are we a competitive golf leek
Speaker 3: And if the answer is yes, you need to get
Speaker 3: rid of the amateurs that are playing in competitions, particularly
Speaker 3: on the weekend and having your your fields strewn out
Speaker 3: over three courses. That are you know, you could experience
Speaker 3: drastically different weather across them, Like, this is just not
Speaker 3: a sensible thing to do. At least Tory Pines, you
Speaker 3: are confined to like one property and they're intertwined, so
Speaker 3: everybody's experiencing the same weather at the bare minimum. But
Speaker 3: this is this is insanity what is going on at
Speaker 3: PGA West And it was illuminated by Nick Dunlap this
Speaker 3: week shooting sixty while all the other leaders are on
Speaker 3: the stadium course and it's like, wait a second, like and.
Speaker 4: There's no insight.
Speaker 3: You can't provide any insight into this because there's no
Speaker 3: data being collected of other courses.
Speaker 5: Totally agree with you.
Speaker 2: We'll say PJ Tour Live got some cameras on Nick Dunlap,
Speaker 2: which was appreciated that but totally agree with you. I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of issues with it. For one,
Speaker 2: Amex has become a joke of a setup and it's
Speaker 2: not a demanding golf course anymore. I know that's changed
Speaker 2: from decades past. But oftentimes people will say but that's
Speaker 2: because they have to get some amateurs around the course,
Speaker 2: like that's a problem. It's either the most competitive golf
Speaker 2: league or it's not so I'm with you, like, that's
Speaker 2: not a good excuse for why a setup has to
Speaker 2: be soft.
Speaker 5: Either.
Speaker 2: There's instances of amateurs hitting putts that show the pros
Speaker 2: the lines, which I don't like. I saw a clip
Speaker 2: of Cam Champ hitting a putt that was going to
Speaker 2: go in and hit an amateur's ballmark where they had
Speaker 2: marked their ball and so it didn't go in, which
Speaker 2: maybe that's Cam Champ's fault, But just in general, I
Speaker 2: think having amateurs on the course at the same time
Speaker 2: as the pros is is truly like, it's just not
Speaker 2: it's not competitive, doesn't scream competition, and it diminishes the event.
Speaker 4: It's a counting event, which is crazy.
Speaker 3: And maybe somebody would say this is what the beauty
Speaker 3: of golf is, that you could have a golf tournament
Speaker 3: and have people out there, but you shouldn't, you know,
Speaker 3: like think about this in the context of any other sport.
Speaker 4: It's crazy. It's bananas, it is.
Speaker 2: And I also really agree with your point that shot
Speaker 2: link now is an expectation and I'm much more engaged
Speaker 2: with an event when I can click through the shots.
Speaker 2: I think even at the Salheim Cup last year, not
Speaker 2: being able to click through shots. It's just become an
Speaker 2: expectation of a modern golf fan. So without it, the
Speaker 2: event loses a lot of its shine. So I totally
Speaker 2: agree with being out on that, fully out.
Speaker 3: I just want one other thing while we're here. I
Speaker 3: saw I can't remember what I tweeted about this week,
Speaker 3: but somebody replied there wouldn't be enough. Oh it was
Speaker 3: Shane Bacon's commentary about moving some tournaments around a void
Speaker 3: the NFL, like maybe having a Monday Tuesday finish to avoid.
Speaker 3: And one of the things is Network TV has become
Speaker 3: way more. You know, you see NBAS on Network TV.
Speaker 3: More college football is on Network TV, more at night
Speaker 3: that used to be ESPN games or be going moved
Speaker 3: to ABC. So Network TV is more open to the
Speaker 3: eyeballs that live sports springs. But anyways, someone said it
Speaker 3: would be hard for the PGA Tour to get volunteers.
Speaker 4: Volunteers.
Speaker 3: This is a multi billion dollar organization and volunteers dictate
Speaker 3: when they could go on air. That that also needs
Speaker 3: to change the reliance on volunteers and golf needs to stop.
Speaker 3: All these events make enough money, have enough revenue. The
Speaker 3: TV rights are are insane that volunteers should not be
Speaker 3: essential to putting a golf tournament on television or running
Speaker 3: a golf tournament in general. Sorry, that's two things I'm
Speaker 3: out on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't even feel like I should
Speaker 1: talk about what I'm out on at this point where
Speaker 1: these are these are such significant things. It is interesting
Speaker 1: how that you know the role that the pro am
Speaker 1: format has played in the history of the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: I think it was you know, these events, the Bob
Speaker 1: Hope Classic and the Pebble Beach pro Am, that the
Speaker 1: clam Bake were pretty crucial to building up the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour when it wasn't what it is now. But now
Speaker 1: the format clearly feels like a relic that kind of
Speaker 1: holds back the competitive product a bit. So in any case,
Speaker 1: what I'm out on is pronouncing amateur amateur. That's pretty much.
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's ubiquitous on the telecast. There's no
Speaker 1: announcer who says amateur there there. They've got to be
Speaker 1: they've got to be fancy about it and say amateur.
Speaker 1: But I put a Twitter poll up about this, and
Speaker 1: and you know, it worked out more or less how
Speaker 1: I thought it would. Where you know about thirty six
Speaker 1: percent said amateur was the right pronunciation, and sixty four
Speaker 1: ish percent said amateur was the correct pronunciation, but an
Speaker 1: astonishing number of people suggested that both should be in use,
Speaker 1: and that you should change your pronunciation of the word
Speaker 1: based on the context. And I think that's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I can't be expected to, at the drop of a hat,
Speaker 1: you know, based on the context in which I'm using
Speaker 1: the word, change my pronunciation and do it reliably. I
Speaker 1: can barely hold it together enough to pronounce a word
Speaker 1: consistently the same way like Doune Lap, for instance. And
Speaker 1: so I think amateur, let's just go with that. It's
Speaker 1: the US amateur. Nick Dunlap is an amateur, it's amateur hour,
Speaker 1: it's all amateur. Let's just keep it like that. That's
Speaker 1: the that's the at least the American pronouncing that. The
Speaker 1: British and Canadians can do whatever they want. But I
Speaker 1: think amateur is the way that I'm going.
Speaker 2: I think I flip back and forth, so I don't
Speaker 2: even I don't know what that says, but I think
Speaker 2: I say that's great.
Speaker 1: One way.
Speaker 5: I just flip around, well randomly.
Speaker 1: If you do it with intention, then that's the then
Speaker 1: that's pretty insane. And there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the comments suggesting that they could do it with intention,
Speaker 1: like based on context could say amateur or amateur, and
Speaker 1: I just, you know, I don't have that kind of
Speaker 1: brain power.
Speaker 4: I think I say amateur. Is that so that's wrong?
Speaker 1: No, I've heard you say already in this podcast multiple times, amateur.
Speaker 3: I think I go back and forth, then I help
Speaker 3: back and forth, because you know why, you know why,
Speaker 3: this is why it's important. Nobody's made it a declaration
Speaker 3: of this is how it needs to be. And that's
Speaker 3: why your take is important, because there you go, I've
Speaker 3: been lost in the woods. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 3: know which one it is, and so I just it's
Speaker 3: like when you're guessing about somebody's name and you just
Speaker 3: kind of go, uh yeah.
Speaker 4: So that's the way I feel with amateur and amateur.
Speaker 4: All right, let's go out.
Speaker 1: That I've provided some clarity here. Let's uh yeah, let's
Speaker 1: move on. Are we going to talk about the World
Speaker 1: Tour now?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So obviously with the DP World Tour in uh starting
Speaker 3: their desert swing, this kicks off the year. It's when
Speaker 3: one of the times when golf's talent is kind of
Speaker 3: split up beyond Live, you know, a historic time where
Speaker 3: we see some of the high profile players in recent
Speaker 3: years outside of live. This was pre Live that we
Speaker 3: would see, you know, some of the most talent go
Speaker 3: to the Middle East to play golf and versus the
Speaker 3: West coast of the United States. But anyways, the real
Speaker 3: talk has been around this restructuring of the PGA Tour.
Speaker 3: Obviously they are taking in and and they're going to
Speaker 3: be taking in an influx of cash, part from private equity,
Speaker 3: it looks like likely part from the Saudi Arabia Arabian
Speaker 3: Public Investment Fund, and with that cash, it is strongly
Speaker 3: believed that the that the tour as we know it
Speaker 3: will be greatly reshaped. It makes sense people invest billions
Speaker 3: of dollars and expect to see a return on investment,
Speaker 3: and it's unlikely that the current setup of the PGA
Speaker 3: Tour is has enough growth opportunity for that investment to
Speaker 3: see substantial return. So with that in mind, you know,
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of calls and from you know,
Speaker 3: two very notable people, Keith Pelly, the head of the
Speaker 3: DP World Tour, who will be staying on Uh. He
Speaker 3: took a new job with uh IN in Canada. Uh
Speaker 3: with the Maple Leaf Entertainment right, uh As. I believe
Speaker 3: the name of it.
Speaker 1: The hockey team, right, He's basically yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's like a sports entertainment group.
Speaker 1: Though, oh is it? Is it not the hockey team?
Speaker 1: I guess I just glanced these headlines.
Speaker 4: I said, okay, and and then the.
Speaker 3: He and Rory McElroy, obviously one of the biggest players,
Speaker 3: the most influential players, have been kind of hammering the
Speaker 3: idea of a world tour, that the growth in the
Speaker 3: game is going to come from going global. So with
Speaker 3: that in mind, I thought it would be fun if
Speaker 3: we kicked around the idea of what would a world
Speaker 3: tour look like? Where would you go and how would
Speaker 3: the season set up? So I don't know how you
Speaker 3: guys did this. I kind of kept the major championships
Speaker 3: locked into their spots, but I could see a world
Speaker 3: where you could move a major championship if you want,
Speaker 3: if you so wanted. I think that with this investment,
Speaker 3: pretty much anything is on the table here and let's
Speaker 3: let's kick around how you started. So I guess to
Speaker 3: kind of work our way through it. I'd love to
Speaker 3: start by, you know, where did you start your season?
Speaker 3: How did you start your season? And the idea here
Speaker 3: is a fourteen to sixteen event calendar, so these top
Speaker 3: players would play twenty player twenty events.
Speaker 1: Does the fourteen event schedule include the majors now or
Speaker 1: is this an addition to the majors? It's an addition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's okay. That's that's how I was operating too.
Speaker 1: So you want to know how we started, Joseph one,
Speaker 1: why don't you go first? Here?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 2: The only quick preamble I'd offer that I have must
Speaker 2: have criteria. So there's some things I'm flexible on, some
Speaker 2: things that are must have here for me real quickly,
Speaker 2: the must haves about the calendar, I think the most important.
Speaker 2: All these are sort of tied for most important, but
Speaker 2: I think it has to have a flow to it.
Speaker 2: That's probably the most important thing. Like other ends like
Speaker 2: the NFL season kind of has a flow. You hit Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: you hit Christmas. Winter games like this can't be random.
Speaker 2: Why are you going to the city at this time?
Speaker 2: There needs to be a flow Geographically, it's super important
Speaker 2: that each little swing has an identity. So that was
Speaker 2: really important to me. You have to hit the big markets.
Speaker 2: That was really important to me. You have to play
Speaker 2: golf courses at the best time to play them. I
Speaker 2: think Sawgrass is the best example of this where we've
Speaker 2: made a huge compromise playing it in March right now,
Speaker 2: that's not the best time to play TPC Sawgrass. So
Speaker 2: all these courses and cities that we go to need
Speaker 2: to be at the best time of year for that location.
Speaker 2: And then I have two other small pieces of criteria.
Speaker 2: We need to put players in a position to succeed,
Speaker 2: So the cadence with majors and travel needs to make sense.
Speaker 2: Guys aren't going to want to play five weeks in
Speaker 2: a row, for example. And then last piece of criteria,
Speaker 2: I think it'd be cool if when a player's really good,
Speaker 2: like at the top of the world rankings, you try
Speaker 2: to go to that country. So I Fideki Matsuyama is
Speaker 2: one of the best players in the world. I think
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool to try to do an event in Japan.
Speaker 2: So those were the sort of four or five pieces
Speaker 2: of criteria that I had happy to kick off with
Speaker 2: MYE season started.
Speaker 5: But does anybody that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I have a reaction to that actually, because I, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think I thought this through as well as
Speaker 1: you have, Joseph, So that's right off the bat. But
Speaker 1: and and so I sort of thought of like flow
Speaker 1: and when you're going to the courses as details that
Speaker 1: you can work out later. But clearly it's it's very important.
Speaker 1: The main thing I thought about in choosing events is
Speaker 1: which events are already successful, which events are good right now,
Speaker 1: right because I think the main thing that you need
Speaker 1: to avoid here is just creating events out of thin
Speaker 1: air that don't mean anything to anybody. And that's the
Speaker 1: lesson of the WGCs, that's the lesson of live It's
Speaker 1: really hard to just you know, invent a golf tournament
Speaker 1: and make it feel like something real. And so to me,
Speaker 1: a World Tour would need to be constructed out of
Speaker 1: the best current pieces of the PGA Tour and the
Speaker 1: DP World Tour. You know, something to keep in mind
Speaker 1: is that we already have a world Tour in the
Speaker 1: world of golf. Yeah, it doesn't go to the Americas,
Speaker 1: but the DP World Tour isn't just in Europe. You know,
Speaker 1: they go all over the place. There is an infrastructure
Speaker 1: and a schedule in place for something like a world tour,
Speaker 1: and you know, the part of the group that is
Speaker 1: negotiating this new schedule in golf, whatever it might look like,
Speaker 1: is the DP World Tour. And so I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, for me, just choosing trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what the best pieces of each tour schedule are and
Speaker 1: amplifying those was was my total focus here. And I
Speaker 1: guess I didn't think very much about the practical considerations
Speaker 1: of schedule flow and stuff like that. And so I'm
Speaker 1: very curious to hear what you came up with and
Speaker 1: how that it's different from what I came up with.
Speaker 3: I think I you know, a couple points here where
Speaker 3: what have been emphasized, just by Rory McElroy National opened,
Speaker 3: they mean something that's kind of what you just hit on, Garrett,
Speaker 3: is having some sort of you know, some national open
Speaker 3: some history that's helpful, going places that are is used,
Speaker 3: you know, things that work, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, current local support. I was looking for the the
Speaker 1: antithesis of the Mayacoba or the Singapore tournaments, right, I
Speaker 1: was looking for the whatever the opposite of that is, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the opposite of that. You know, you might
Speaker 1: consider the opposite of that to be the Phoenix Open, right,
Speaker 1: or or the Travelers Championship, or you know, there are
Speaker 1: some events on the on the DP World Tour that
Speaker 1: also have really strong local support and identities and could
Speaker 1: just be you know, turned up a little bit by
Speaker 1: their introduction into this, you know, elite schedule.
Speaker 3: And then the second thing that was I think I
Speaker 3: believe the quote was venues matter, which I would assume
Speaker 3: that all three of us wholeheartedly agree venues matter. So
Speaker 3: I think one of the things that I looked at
Speaker 3: with this exercise, and maybe I went away, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go away from National Opens a little bit because
Speaker 3: of this, is how would I create something where I
Speaker 3: could get the very very best venues in golf? And
Speaker 3: what do the very best venues in golf have in common?
Speaker 3: The answer is they don't want to host year in,
Speaker 3: year out. Outside of like Riviera, GPC, Sawgrass, like, there
Speaker 3: are very few venues that want to host the pros
Speaker 3: all the time. Now, if you made this one of
Speaker 3: the beauties of this whole thing, if when you're talking
Speaker 3: about resetting the deck, in my opinion, if you make
Speaker 3: this elevated tour, this world elevated tour, and you say
Speaker 3: from the outset, we are going to visit the best
Speaker 3: golf courses in the world with the best player in
Speaker 3: the world, and it's global, and you kind of take
Speaker 3: the philosophy of we're not going there all the time.
Speaker 3: What I did was I created areas in which I
Speaker 3: could rotate cities and venues within the city. So you're
Speaker 3: making an ask of Hey, Congressional let's just say in DC,
Speaker 3: we want to come here with eighty hundred players of
Speaker 3: the best players in the world, and we're going to
Speaker 3: come once every eight or nine years. That's our ask.
Speaker 3: Can you host us once every eight or nine years?
Speaker 3: Because that's what the US Open the PGA does so well,
Speaker 3: is that they aren't asking for every year. They aren't
Speaker 3: asking for once every three years. They're asking for, hey,
Speaker 3: once a decade. And right now, there are so many
Speaker 3: golf courses in an American in particular, that have made
Speaker 3: huge changes in an attempt to get a US Open
Speaker 3: or a PGA Championship that cannot get one like they are.
Speaker 3: They're the dates are gone. So you have this wonderful opportunity,
Speaker 3: particularly stateside, and you're not going you know, in my world,
Speaker 3: you're not going international enough that you're going to dry
Speaker 3: out of those venues, but you have this unbelievable opportunity
Speaker 3: to completely reshape, like out with TPC Minneapolis, in with
Speaker 3: you know, we're going to Aaron Hills, We're going to
Speaker 3: Whistling Straits, We're going to you know, the great courses
Speaker 3: in Chicago. Like you have this opportunity to completely reshape
Speaker 3: the venues in which you visit. And that's what I
Speaker 3: think is so exciting if you just switch the mentality
Speaker 3: of how you approach these venues, and you can do
Speaker 3: it with this change.
Speaker 5: I'm with you, Andy, I did the same thing.
Speaker 2: Of the fourteen events we did, I think only picked
Speaker 2: four golf courses and otherwise they're just regions. And with that,
Speaker 2: I think it's really important to consider the flow. People
Speaker 2: can't be flying all over the place. And I think
Speaker 2: like for the way I did it, I basically have
Speaker 2: events kind of in stretches of three, so guys can
Speaker 2: play three events in a row and then have a.
Speaker 5: Few weeks off. So I think we thought about it
Speaker 5: pretty similarly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I thought about it really differently from
Speaker 1: you guys, And to me, it sounds suspiciously like you
Speaker 1: are inventing events out of thin air. We are, I
Speaker 1: think I think that. I think that's the biggest problem.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the biggest potential danger. Even if
Speaker 1: you're going to the best courses, even if you're going
Speaker 1: to see some great golf course architecture, I think you're
Speaker 1: going to have some issues if you're trying to create events,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, from from the ground up.
Speaker 3: One other thing I wanted to hit on was why
Speaker 3: a world tour makes sense now. The pro game is
Speaker 3: younger than ever, so like one of the reasons that
Speaker 3: a world tour is hard for professional golfer is family time, right, Like,
Speaker 3: you're going to be try a lot. The game is
Speaker 3: younger than ever, so there's less family constraints than ever. Societally,
Speaker 3: people are having kids at older age than ever before,
Speaker 3: so that just works well with what you're trying to do.
Speaker 3: Second off, these are the elite players of the game.
Speaker 3: Almost probably fifty percent of them will be flying private
Speaker 3: from event to event, which makes this type of tour
Speaker 3: much more feasible. There's much more less worries about international
Speaker 3: travel when you're flying private. So those are just two
Speaker 3: things that make this better. And then The other thing
Speaker 3: is that the world is getting more and more global
Speaker 3: in terms of companies, so you know where you're going
Speaker 3: to get funds, advertisers, different things. They are more interested
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Speaker 5: Do you want me to dig off with where my
Speaker 5: schedule started?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Why don't we go through that? I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we maybe maybe we can each give
Speaker 1: like a basic overview of the schedule. Just quickly mention
Speaker 1: the events and get a sense for where we went.
Speaker 1: I can give you the framework of my scheduled.
Speaker 2: People can nitpick maybe like actually that's not the best
Speaker 2: time to go to this particular region of the world,
Speaker 2: so open to that. And then television windows is always
Speaker 2: going to be something we haven't hit on. But what
Speaker 2: time is this on in America is always going to
Speaker 2: be a big talking point. I didn't focus that much
Speaker 2: on it, but I think I think my schedule kind
Speaker 2: of accomplishes what I wanted to accomplish.
Speaker 3: Real quick with that that America is the biggest television
Speaker 3: audience for golf, right one, Europe's the biggest television audience.
Speaker 3: F one curtails when the races are for the European audience.
Speaker 3: Is that a far flung idea for golf? Could we
Speaker 3: see golf being played at night certain places to kurktail
Speaker 3: to an American audience.
Speaker 2: As long as the shots that the golfers are hitting
Speaker 2: are not compromised, then I'd be in favor of that.
Speaker 2: But I think if you have if they're playing under
Speaker 2: the lights and it's issues with depth, perception and stuff
Speaker 2: to where it threatens the competitive integrity of the event,
Speaker 2: I'd be out on.
Speaker 6: Some of that.
Speaker 3: But also I have a little bit of a night golfer.
Speaker 3: He's a night golfer. Guy just plays his best golf
Speaker 3: under the lights.
Speaker 2: I do have a little mentality of, like, you know what,
Speaker 2: suck it up and set an alarm and watch the
Speaker 2: event at two in the morning if you really love golf,
Speaker 2: like I understand that's not always practical, but we're not
Speaker 2: talking about having forty five events. So if you have
Speaker 2: to wake up a couple of nights a year in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night for a great event, like
Speaker 2: tennis fans might do for the Australian Open, right now,
Speaker 2: I think it's okay. So I'll go through the framework
Speaker 2: of my schedule. It's in little pods, and then I
Speaker 2: don't think it'll take long to actually run through the
Speaker 2: entire thing. I'll just do it succinctly. So I start
Speaker 2: out with a three week stretch, open to changing the
Speaker 2: order of these a little bit, but this is in
Speaker 2: particular region of the world. A Middle East event, an
Speaker 2: event in India. I think that's a cool idea from
Speaker 2: Rory hit one of the most populous countries in the world,
Speaker 2: and South Africa. So I'm envisioning this being a little
Speaker 2: three week stretch in January kind of kick off the
Speaker 2: world tour. Then I want to come over to the
Speaker 2: United States and hit the West Coast swing. Like Garrett
Speaker 2: was saying, the events that do things well, let's reward them.
Speaker 2: Let's continue that le legacy. I have TPC Scottsdale, which
Speaker 2: I think deserves an event. That's a golf course that's
Speaker 2: a good test of professional golf, and it has a
Speaker 2: culture to it, the party hole all about it. I
Speaker 2: think it's a really cool event. So I go TPC Scottsdale,
Speaker 2: Riviera Pebble and I'd be open to throwing Tory into
Speaker 2: that rotation too. Not my favorite golf course, but historic venue,
Speaker 2: West Coast Swing. So we do a little three week
Speaker 2: stretch there, so you're up to sixth event, six events.
Speaker 2: Then we go This is the part that may make
Speaker 2: the least amount of sense, but I want to do
Speaker 2: a little running to the Masters. I have an event
Speaker 2: in Japan in March, and I don't know how well
Speaker 2: you can play in Japan in March, so that's a
Speaker 2: question mark. And then I go Australia, give a week
Speaker 2: off and then the Masters. I think having a Royal
Speaker 2: Melbourne or some other kind of sand belt golf course
Speaker 2: into the Masters would be sweet. And maybe there are
Speaker 2: a better time to play in Australia, but I think
Speaker 2: April would be pretty good as a run in. Give
Speaker 2: people a week off to travel back to augusta.
Speaker 4: Quickly.
Speaker 2: I hit sagrass in May into the PGA Championship. So
Speaker 2: back in the US sawgrass should be played in May.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be played in March. Let's get back to
Speaker 2: playing one of the best courses for professional golf in
Speaker 2: America at the right time of year, firm, windy, and
Speaker 2: then leading into the US Open, I do a little
Speaker 2: America South America Northeast America swing. So I go South America,
Speaker 2: potentially Brazil into the American Northeast so could be Long Island,
Speaker 2: could be Boston, could be Congressional DC that area into
Speaker 2: the US Open. So that's another little three week stretch
Speaker 2: right there, and then I cap it off with a
Speaker 2: European swing.
Speaker 5: I want to go something.
Speaker 2: Like Spain, especially John Rahm's stature in the game, reward
Speaker 2: him with an event in his home country. Maybe you
Speaker 2: take a week off there and then you go Ireland
Speaker 2: Scotland Open Championship. Open to playing around with that a
Speaker 2: little bit, but I want to end with sort of
Speaker 2: a lynxy European swing, and I have the Open Championship
Speaker 2: ending the entire world tour. I think it actually be
Speaker 2: a pretty cool Maybe the season ends to Saint Andrews
Speaker 2: some years that. I think that flow to the season
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. Everything's done between January and
Speaker 2: the end of July. In my schedule, they're broken up
Speaker 2: into pods. I think the travel kind of works, and
Speaker 2: I think you're playing most of these golf courses at
Speaker 2: the best time to play them. So that's how I
Speaker 2: thought about my world tour.
Speaker 3: You know, the Midwest of the United States is crying,
Speaker 3: it's in tears.
Speaker 1: It's your own fault for what you did to the
Speaker 1: Western Open.
Speaker 5: You can that Northeast can move Canada.
Speaker 3: Canada is the outraged once to once ajors are are are?
Speaker 3: I think, like my critiques hit way too much, way
Speaker 3: too much travel. It's way too much time away. There's
Speaker 3: no nothing in there that people are never going to
Speaker 3: be home and they're effectively playing golf out like on
Speaker 3: the road for seven straight months. It just to me
Speaker 3: it doesn't work.
Speaker 5: You'll, I mean, I he there's how you do a
Speaker 5: world tour that that.
Speaker 4: Doesn't twenty there's twenty eight weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, the very definition of a world tour, Like.
Speaker 3: There's twenty eight weeks in your You're you're on the
Speaker 3: road for eighteen of them, and you have heavy travel like,
Speaker 3: I don't think a world tour works unless you extend
Speaker 3: to like nine months.
Speaker 4: I just don't.
Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's asking a lot of
Speaker 2: golf fans to be engaged for nine months and you
Speaker 2: are competing with the NFL season if you do that. Also,
Speaker 2: like yeah, TPC Scottsdale to Riviera and a pebble, like
Speaker 2: they're all in the same regions of the This isn't
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a big ask in terms of
Speaker 2: this is a.
Speaker 3: Professional This has spoken from somebody that clearly does not
Speaker 3: have a child.
Speaker 2: I don't have a child, but I'm also these are
Speaker 2: professional athletes. They're twenty eight years old and they can travel.
Speaker 2: Like I'm just saying it's a complete game changer.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I feel like this is an argument
Speaker 1: against a world tour, right because else do you do it?
Speaker 3: Well, I think here's here's how I would do it,
Speaker 3: all right here, all right, so I'd start with January.
Speaker 3: I'm in Australia in the Middle East, So that's my
Speaker 3: kind of like Australia has one. It rotates between Sydney
Speaker 3: and the Melbourne courses and other places, like there's so
Speaker 3: many great courses.
Speaker 1: You could say, and this, by the way, is an
Speaker 1: invented tournament. This is live Australia.
Speaker 3: You could say it's the Australian Open. You could say
Speaker 3: it's Australian Open if you want it, and you could have.
Speaker 3: You mean, there's eight eight courses, I mean Metropolitan, Kingston Heath, Royal, Melbourne, Royal, Adelaide, like,
Speaker 3: I mean, you could go through so many golf courses
Speaker 3: that could host these tournaments. All right, then you go
Speaker 3: to Dubai, Middle East. I mean, listen, let's be very realistic.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the Saudi International. Yeah, gonna be on
Speaker 1: the schedule. Yeah, the piff, if the Piff is bankrolling this,
Speaker 1: We're going to Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3: We're going to Jedda. We're going to Jedda, We're going
Speaker 3: to Royal Greens. That's just the reality of the situation.
Speaker 3: I'm not I like, am I happy about it?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe we get a mix.
Speaker 3: In Dubai and some other places in the Middle East
Speaker 3: and it's a rotation, like right, like may really the
Speaker 3: premise of of my whole schedule is there is no
Speaker 3: locked in place, there's no place that hosts every year
Speaker 3: and that is part of the lure is that you
Speaker 3: get to see places. There's time off places. I think
Speaker 3: there's real venue fatigue and that needs to be addressed.
Speaker 3: So that is the the that's January. Then we moved
Speaker 3: to the back half of February. The back half of
Speaker 3: February is a simple two straight weeks and it rotates.
Speaker 3: We combined La San Diego and Phoenix together. They rotate
Speaker 3: between the three of them. It's Riviera, Tory and Scottsdale
Speaker 3: every three years. Listen, it pains me that I'm taking
Speaker 3: Riviera off the board every year, but I also think
Speaker 3: venue fatigue is real, and with it every three years,
Speaker 3: it's hosting some major championships coming up, it's hosting the
Speaker 3: Olympics coming up. It actually heightens the venue. Then we
Speaker 3: go to San Francisco, Monterey, we go to Harding Park
Speaker 3: Olympic Club, which I'm sure would be happy to host
Speaker 3: this event every three years in Pebble Beach. That's our
Speaker 3: three course rotation. Maybe you could throw in some other
Speaker 3: things if you wanted to get like NAPA involved, you
Speaker 3: could go up to Silverado or something. But anyways, that
Speaker 3: is is our three event course. There we have an
Speaker 3: event in the in Florida. You could call it the
Speaker 3: Players Championship, but it will rotate between courses, TPC Sawgrass
Speaker 3: being one of them. Now, contrary to what Joseph said,
Speaker 3: I mean one of the reasons they moved the players
Speaker 3: back to March was for better weather or not better
Speaker 3: better the course to play longer, right, and may. One
Speaker 3: of the things that you don't hit his drivers out there.
Speaker 3: That's one of the issues of the player of TPC
Speaker 3: Sawgrass is that you don't hit a lot of drivers anymore.
Speaker 3: A lot of fairways like it. You know, you can't
Speaker 3: hit driver because a creek cross is the fairway and
Speaker 3: and it you know it. They've outgrown TPC Sawgrass in
Speaker 3: a way sadly.
Speaker 5: Do you think it's better in March than May.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's better from turf conditions, no, but
Speaker 3: like you do get like windiest time in Florida is March,
Speaker 3: so you get more wind and it fits in my
Speaker 3: schedule better to be completely frank, you know, that's one
Speaker 3: of the things. And you can go down to Jupiter.
Speaker 3: You could play an event down there. There are so
Speaker 3: many courses that are about to open, probably some of
Speaker 3: them that would be really good tournament hosts. Again, like
Speaker 3: one of the benefits that golf has is that it
Speaker 3: doesn't you know, the.
Speaker 4: Box the people coming to an event.
Speaker 3: It is not a meaningful impact on the finances of
Speaker 3: the tour, if that makes sense. So with that you
Speaker 3: can do you get with this tour. You could get
Speaker 3: a little bit more creative with venues. Infrastructure doesn't always
Speaker 3: have to be upfront. You could do smaller, smaller fields
Speaker 3: or smaller crowd sizes with that. So anyways, then I
Speaker 3: go before the Masters, my lead in is a Texas Swing,
Speaker 3: a Texas event. Texas rotates between Dallas, Austin and Houston.
Speaker 3: So this is the beginning of April. Huge, huge markets
Speaker 3: and plenty of golf courses across those three cities. If
Speaker 3: you if you do that, you know there's probably like
Speaker 3: eight courses that could host between Fort Worth, Dallas, Austin,
Speaker 3: and Houston area. Then we go to the Masters. Then
Speaker 3: we do Southeast. Southeast is Charlotte, Atlanta. If you wanted
Speaker 3: to throw Harbor Town in there, you could throw them
Speaker 3: in there, but I don't really care. Obviously, those two
Speaker 3: two places have venues that are ready and willing to host.
Speaker 3: With Quail Hollow in the uh now renovated East Lake,
Speaker 3: so that that would be my after the Masters, We're
Speaker 3: still you know, we're very US heavy right now, right
Speaker 3: but Yeah, when I've heard.
Speaker 5: Quail Hollow is surviving onto your World Tour, it's once
Speaker 5: every three I just want to believe this.
Speaker 3: Listen, I got I got after after my Quail Hollow
Speaker 3: a racer on a recent podcast. I got multiple texts
Speaker 3: from from people that play on tour. Can't couldn't believe
Speaker 3: the Quail Hollow commentary.
Speaker 2: Get I get Quill Hollow blowback every time, and I
Speaker 2: stand by it.
Speaker 5: I think they're wrong.
Speaker 3: I'm just putting it on. It's Charlotte's a great city
Speaker 3: to go to. What we're doing trying to do is
Speaker 3: create like markets, like I'm trying to reach the entire world, right,
Speaker 3: is what I'm trying to do with this. The next
Speaker 3: events the PGA, So there's one event in between the
Speaker 3: Masters and the PGA, which I feel like is is right,
Speaker 3: That's what you need to do with these majors. After
Speaker 3: the PGA, we're going to New York City, and I
Speaker 3: mean you've got like the greatest rotation of courses there
Speaker 3: between Ridgewood beth Page and Plainfield. I mean the old
Speaker 3: Barclays got this right. I mean there's so many great
Speaker 3: golf courses that they could host on. You should always
Speaker 3: have an event in New York, always, always full stop.
Speaker 3: That is the mecca of golf in America. US Open.
Speaker 3: Then after this, you know what it is, It's summer break.
Speaker 3: This is when people with families can travel the world.
Speaker 3: And we're going to England for the BMW Championship. We're
Speaker 3: going to keep that that tradition, that tournament alive. The PGA,
Speaker 3: PGA a historic event. I would rotate it. I'd go
Speaker 3: to different places. It wouldn't be just at Wentworth. I'd
Speaker 3: have other places in the in England in the mix.
Speaker 3: I think, if this is this world tour super successful,
Speaker 3: your your venue list is going to be great that
Speaker 3: you could go to. Whether it's Walton Heath, I mean
Speaker 3: I think you could. You could take that to Liverpool
Speaker 3: if you want it. I think like you can start
Speaker 3: to eat into these these great venues and eat into
Speaker 3: the major championship stranglehold on these. Next I've got Scotland
Speaker 3: and Ireland. This is one year it's the Scottish Open,
Speaker 3: one year's the Irish Open. They alternate back and forth.
Speaker 3: You've got great courses. Obviously we aren't gonna be going
Speaker 3: to Mount Juliet in Ireland. We are going to be
Speaker 3: going to like La Hinch, Royal County down Port Rush,
Speaker 3: Port Rush, and then obviously in Scotland you can throw
Speaker 3: Renaissance in there. I don't really care for it, but
Speaker 3: then you've got Glenn Eagles Gull and Castle Stewart, and
Speaker 3: I think again you could start to make inroads and
Speaker 3: maybe squeeze out some appearances at some Open championship venues.
Speaker 3: Then you have the Open after that. After that we
Speaker 3: go to Continental Europe. I'm not like the biggest fan
Speaker 3: of the golf courses that are probably gonna host in
Speaker 3: contineal Europe, but I am a big fan of going
Speaker 3: to Continental Europe. You've got Le Golf Nationale Marco Simone,
Speaker 3: you could go to Valderrama. You know there are other
Speaker 3: great courses there. I'm just not really sure how you know.
Speaker 3: I would love if they went to the Netherlands and
Speaker 3: played one of those Harry Colt courses in the Netherlands,
Speaker 3: but that Continental Europe swing could be four countries right there.
Speaker 3: Then we're back to America, and we're going to do
Speaker 3: New England. This is going to be September New England
Speaker 3: or late August New England. Philly and d C will
Speaker 3: get a rotating event, so it'll be Boston, Philly, d C,
Speaker 3: three awesome golf markets that need events.
Speaker 4: Then we go to the Midwest. We play Chicago.
Speaker 3: The Midwest rotation is Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit, Toledo, Columbus in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: So this is like you're getting an event every six
Speaker 3: years or so in your market in the Midwest, but
Speaker 3: it is the Western Open. This is going to be
Speaker 3: a Midwest centric event. We could throw crooked stick in there.
Speaker 3: It'll get it'll get Joseph excited.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Then we got the Mountains Pacific Northwest at the end.
Speaker 3: This is kind of like September and it's it's kind
Speaker 3: of between Pacific Northwest Venues and Denver.
Speaker 4: Is my is my idea here.
Speaker 3: I'd be open to getting rid of it, and I
Speaker 3: know I'm over my events. But then we go to
Speaker 3: Japan and South I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, if if he said fourteen events, you have.
Speaker 4: Like six America, I have sixteen, sixteen events.
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, Andy, Jesus.
Speaker 4: Sixteen twenty events total for these guys.
Speaker 1: I feel like this has been like thirty six events
Speaker 1: South Africa.
Speaker 3: You're just I'm just going to a lot of places.
Speaker 3: I'm rotating the Japan, South Africa, and India all in
Speaker 3: a mix. Those rotate every three year, and then South
Speaker 3: America to finish, I could cut out Okay.
Speaker 1: One event, you have one event in your entire schedule
Speaker 1: and in the in Asia, yes, yeah, okay, South I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, that's how you get a lot of events
Speaker 1: in America. I guess is by it still needs to.
Speaker 4: Be American meetric because of the television. That's one of
Speaker 4: my Well, that's the thing is it's.
Speaker 1: Not a world too. I feel like it's not a
Speaker 1: world tour.
Speaker 3: That's fine, you can you can propose this. The point
Speaker 3: of this was not to have the same schedules.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think that that the PGA Tour is
Speaker 1: currently about as international as that schedule. You just na
Speaker 1: maybe except for the Middle East portion of it. Well,
Speaker 1: THEA has the Scottish Open, the Open. Uh, the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour goes to Japan right now. I mean, I guess Australia.
Speaker 1: Did we go to South Africa?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's in the it's in the Japan South Africa.
Speaker 1: Oh, we included that in Asia. Yeah, so Africa and
Speaker 1: Asia are.
Speaker 2: Look I think my two career Andy, why what I
Speaker 2: would push back on one. I think it's asking a
Speaker 2: lot for people to pay attention to, like any kind
Speaker 2: of standings or something from January through like October. I
Speaker 2: think it lands you sort of in the same spot
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour was in. When you have your golf
Speaker 2: golf year round, it doesn't actually feel like it's It
Speaker 2: just feels like this big nebulous there's always golf happening.
Speaker 2: So that would be one thing I would push back on,
Speaker 2: and the other thing would be I think you lose
Speaker 2: flow when you do like a US Open could be
Speaker 2: in the Northeast America and then you go overseas for
Speaker 2: the Open Championship, and then you come back to America
Speaker 2: and go back to like New York Midwest. I think
Speaker 2: these need to feel like swings, and don't. I don't
Speaker 2: like leaving a particular region and then coming right back
Speaker 2: to it. I think right now in golf, August already
Speaker 2: feels bland and like the season's over at the Open Championship,
Speaker 2: and I kind of think the schedule you're proposing perpetuates
Speaker 2: that feeling.
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm just trying to trying to I'm just trying
Speaker 3: to make a global I'm trying to get to the
Speaker 3: best venues. I'm trying to give everybody a little splash.
Speaker 3: I don't want to exclude anybody. I'm trying to This
Speaker 3: is my way of including everybody, including the great great
Speaker 3: country of America, include you know, India. You know, give
Speaker 3: everybody a little splash. I you know, I I would
Speaker 3: love to see DLF in India every three years. I
Speaker 3: don't want to see it every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think where I'm coming down and
Speaker 1: hearing this discussion is that I don't really want a
Speaker 1: world tour. I don't think it's a good idea and
Speaker 1: I don't think it I just I just don't think
Speaker 1: there's a way to make it work that would be
Speaker 1: way better than what we currently have. And maybe that's
Speaker 1: just an American centric perspective, but I think a PGA
Speaker 1: tour schedule is obviously really flawed, and we need to
Speaker 1: get rid of the FedEx Cup playoffs. There's there's stuff
Speaker 1: that we need to do. Maybe there's a new way
Speaker 1: that we're going to fund the biggest tour in the
Speaker 1: world right now, and it's going to involve the PIFF
Speaker 1: and some of these private equity guys that I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be in off. But once we enter that money
Speaker 1: from those sources into this, they're going to start determining
Speaker 1: the schedule. I mean, I guess there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: motivation to make it globally popular, and that could have
Speaker 1: a good influence. But we're going to Royal Greens, We're
Speaker 1: going to Saudi Arabia every year, like it's not going
Speaker 1: to happen. Maybe we're going twice a year. Maybe we're
Speaker 1: going to go play that that you know, freakish course
Speaker 1: that Robert Trent Jones Junior just built on Sindala Island.
Speaker 1: All the all the everybody's gonna stay in yachts and
Speaker 1: and play that course. I mean, that's the thing is
Speaker 1: that I don't I just don't see things getting better here.
Speaker 1: Sorry to be really pessimistic about it, but I think
Speaker 1: that the elements of Andy's schedule that really appeal to
Speaker 1: me are the elements that are already in place on
Speaker 1: the PGA tour. Hold on In any case.
Speaker 5: Hold on the PGA tour schedule is broken. We cannot.
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want to just sweep over
Speaker 2: though how bad the end of the PGA Tour schedule.
Speaker 2: This seasons feels over once we hit June. It's like
Speaker 2: the US Open and the Open Championship. Some people might
Speaker 2: get excited for some other events like the Scottish nothing
Speaker 2: else is exciting. The playoffs stink, The Tour Championship stinks.
Speaker 2: That has to get fixed. So I don't want to
Speaker 2: just like wave minds over.
Speaker 3: It's over once you hit the Masters.
Speaker 5: Yeah, once the Masters.
Speaker 3: Has played, PGA Tour events do not matter because you
Speaker 3: enter the.
Speaker 1: Majors because it's major season. Yeah. Well, they screwed themselves
Speaker 1: over by consolidating major season.
Speaker 4: They did.
Speaker 3: They actually like that two month break between the Masters
Speaker 3: and the US Open gave the PGA Tour relevance, and
Speaker 3: especially when they had the players in May, it was
Speaker 3: actually like really good for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And it's it's kind of funny that they
Speaker 1: shot themselves in the foot here, you know, because the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour really kind of exerted its influence to to
Speaker 1: make this major schedule as consolidated as it is, and
Speaker 1: as a result, that's me major season. It's not PGA
Speaker 1: Tour season. It's major season. The PGA Tour is herky
Speaker 1: jerky around that time. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're landing in a place that's very
Speaker 2: similar to the existing PGA Tour schedule, and it is
Speaker 2: broken like that. That is the second half of the
Speaker 2: schedule stinks and that needs to get solved. So I
Speaker 2: don't I'm shocked at how similar to the existing product.
Speaker 2: Your sentiments both seem to be. Right now, mine, isn't
Speaker 2: it all?
Speaker 1: You haven't even heard of mine yet. I haven't even
Speaker 1: gone into it.
Speaker 5: Just the sentiment you're expressing, go ahead, yeah, well.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, the sentiment I'm expressing is that this this,
Speaker 1: what we're imagining here probably won't work.
Speaker 3: But you've got a real case of the Mondays here, Garrett.
Speaker 1: I know, I really well, I just spent a week
Speaker 1: of snow days, So my apologies, but I might be
Speaker 1: in the wrong frame of mind for an optimistic take here.
Speaker 1: In any case, my you know, I will say this,
Speaker 1: whatever I came up with here on my little notes
Speaker 1: document is not yearly as well thought out as what
Speaker 1: you guys did. I've been talking smack about your guys'
Speaker 1: schedules all along here, but I didn't do nearly as well. Basically,
Speaker 1: the extent of my research was to reach out to
Speaker 1: our friend Ben Coley, who follows the European Tour quite
Speaker 1: closely writes for Sporting Life dot com, and what I
Speaker 1: asked him was basically, what are the events currently on
Speaker 1: the DP World Tour that really work? And basically his
Speaker 1: response was, well, if we're pushing to the side for
Speaker 1: a moment, the Scottish Open, the Irish Open, the BMWPGA
Speaker 1: and to an extent, the British Masters, because those feel
Speaker 1: like the four most significant events right now on the
Speaker 1: DP World Tour the things that really work. That the
Speaker 1: British Masters obviously is a little bit in limbo. He said,
Speaker 1: some events that work would be the Dutch Open, which
Speaker 1: has gone by various names. I think it might be
Speaker 1: the KLM Open or something like that. At this point,
Speaker 1: the seat all my Continental ere Continental National Opens made
Speaker 1: in Denmark, and the suit All Open, by the way,
Speaker 1: for people who don't know, is that is basically the
Speaker 1: Belgian Open. And so these are the events that currently work,
Speaker 1: and so I feel like if we're going to construct
Speaker 1: a world tour, that the way to do it that
Speaker 1: would keep intact some of the traditions of these tournaments
Speaker 1: and incorporate tournaments that that truly work right now, where
Speaker 1: we're just leveraging what we're doing well right now. Basically,
Speaker 1: we'd have significant elements of the current PGA Tour schedule
Speaker 1: and we'd have and sprinkle in the parts of the
Speaker 1: dp World Tour schedule that work quite well. So the
Speaker 1: basic structure that that I ended up coming up with
Speaker 1: is that, like you guys, I'm looking at the West
Speaker 1: Coast Swing and thinking, we've got to keep a significant
Speaker 1: amount of this in place because we can't just race
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Open. We can't just erase the LA Open.
Speaker 1: We can't do that.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: If we construct a world Tour, we have to include
Speaker 1: those events somehow. And so yeah, Phoenix Open, Genesis Invitational,
Speaker 1: then we start to get into TPC Sawgrass and Arnold
Speaker 1: Palmer Invitational territory. We keep those events intact. Then guess
Speaker 1: what it's major season And the first three majors are
Speaker 1: the Masters, the PGA Tour, the PGA Championship, and the
Speaker 1: US Open. All of those are American majors, and so
Speaker 1: we're staying in the States at that point, and maybe
Speaker 1: for the World Tour we sprinkle in the Canadian Open
Speaker 1: and the Memorial between those majors. Then we're onto the
Speaker 1: European swing. Right. We're constructing a schedule around the Open,
Speaker 1: and we're trying to construct it out of current national opens.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking Scottish Open, Irish Open, the British PGA,
Speaker 1: the BMWPGA and the Spanish Open. But the thing is
Speaker 1: like to borrow Andy's rotating idea. Maybe some years you
Speaker 1: sub in the suit All Open for the Irish Open,
Speaker 1: or you sub in the Dutch Open for the Spanish Open. Right,
Speaker 1: you just get a couple of European national opens and
Speaker 1: sprinkle them in around the Open Championship. So that's the
Speaker 1: that's the European Swing, but again constructed out of pieces
Speaker 1: of the current DP World Tour schedule that work. And
Speaker 1: then basically for the h for winter you know, I'm
Speaker 1: talking November December, and yeah, the year round schedule is
Speaker 1: a problem, but I'm not sure how you avoid it
Speaker 1: when you're talking about a world tour. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the Zozo Championship that you know, it's a relatively new event,
Speaker 1: but I think we can agree that it's extremely well supported,
Speaker 1: and that if you keep doing it in Japan that
Speaker 1: people are going to come out and make it a thing,
Speaker 1: especially as long as Hideki is on tour. You also
Speaker 1: have around that part of the schedule Australian Open, South
Speaker 1: African Open, and then you have your Middle East events,
Speaker 1: right Dubai Desert Classic. You probably need to have the
Speaker 1: Saudi International, but I didn't include that in my fantasy
Speaker 1: schedule because nobody fantasizes about going to the Saudi International
Speaker 1: as part of World Tour. So that's the basic structure
Speaker 1: of the schedule that you know for me. An interesting
Speaker 1: question is whether a Korean championship would be really successful now.
Speaker 1: Ben Kley told me that the most recent effort by
Speaker 1: the DP World Tour to go to Korea didn't work
Speaker 1: out completely to plan. It wasn't as great as they
Speaker 1: were hoping. But if you were to have your Tom
Speaker 1: Kims and your Seawou Kims and your song jms playing
Speaker 1: in that event instead of players who are less known,
Speaker 1: maybe it would really work right because that's obviously a
Speaker 1: country that is really into golf, maybe more women's golf
Speaker 1: than men's golf at this point, but who knows, Maybe
Speaker 1: that could be a big thing and a big piece
Speaker 1: of this World Tour. But that's basically how I thought
Speaker 1: of the schedule, trying to just take the tournaments that
Speaker 1: have some identity about them, that are locally supported, and
Speaker 1: make the schedule out of those pieces.
Speaker 2: I think one thing to always keep in mind is
Speaker 2: what does it look like the run up into a major?
Speaker 2: So it'd be helpful to see some stuff on paper. Well,
Speaker 2: if that's the way the schedule looks like, then in
Speaker 2: the run up to the PGA or in the run
Speaker 2: up to the US Open, which events are golfers playing in? Like,
Speaker 2: those are important questions, and I think they're essential to
Speaker 2: a good schedule and not just after thoughts. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's an important thing to.
Speaker 1: Consider, absolutely, And you thought that through better than I did,
Speaker 1: But I just think of it. You know, like, if
Speaker 1: you're saying that the Dutch Open is going to be
Speaker 1: part of the World Tour this year, move it two
Speaker 1: weeks before the Open or the week after the Open,
Speaker 1: right because you have the Scottish Open as an established
Speaker 1: lead in tournament for the Open Championship. Okay, keep that
Speaker 1: and then maybe the week after the Open Championship we
Speaker 1: say Okay, let's stay in Europe one more week and
Speaker 1: let's go play the Dutch Open.
Speaker 5: I think we got to avoid week after major events.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're gonna be two weeks after
Speaker 1: are you gonna are you gonna say are you gonna say, hey, Jupiter, guys,
Speaker 1: you got to stay in.
Speaker 4: Issue.
Speaker 3: That's why these events happened the week after. And this is,
Speaker 3: you know, is there's like travel, travel considerations, and you
Speaker 3: have to have travel considerations.
Speaker 1: I mean, just thinking about this makes my head spin
Speaker 1: a little bit. And you know, one of the current
Speaker 1: realities right now is that a lot of the best
Speaker 1: golfers in the world are American and almost all of
Speaker 1: the best funded tournaments in the world are based in
Speaker 1: the United States, and that includes live live is maybe
Speaker 1: even even more proof that it's just hard to make
Speaker 1: a world tour schedule work because most of their tournaments
Speaker 1: are in America right now.
Speaker 4: That's that's fair.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the reality that you know,
Speaker 3: you guys made fun of mine.
Speaker 4: Everybody thinks theirs is the right way to do it.
Speaker 4: That's the beauty of this.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really think mine is the way
Speaker 1: to do it. Because I don't think there is a
Speaker 1: right answer here. The fact is this is just hard
Speaker 1: and I would like to see Rory and Keith Pelly
Speaker 1: get more specific about what they actually mean when they
Speaker 1: talk about a global tour.
Speaker 3: Here's the real answer I think to the to solving this,
Speaker 3: and this is this is so crazy that I didn't
Speaker 3: even put it as as my solf. The PGA has
Speaker 3: to become an international major.
Speaker 5: Oh I'm I'm I think I'm with you on that.
Speaker 5: I was going to.
Speaker 4: Ask how the world. That's how you create the world tour,
Speaker 4: because then you can push your major, that major, the
Speaker 4: last major, into a different season, and then you create
Speaker 4: relevance through a longer period of time. The PGA being
Speaker 4: American centric really screws up, like how you create a
Speaker 4: season of golf. So if you could take that PGA
Speaker 4: and push it, let's just say to October, and maybe
Speaker 4: it's in Australia, maybe it's but when you push it
Speaker 4: back that far, then everything in between has more significance.
Speaker 4: And that's how you go from January to October. That's
Speaker 4: the real solution. It's just you know, it took us
Speaker 4: a long time to get here. I'm sure a lot
Speaker 4: of people have probably been yelling this this whole podcast,
Speaker 4: But that is the solution. You know what.
Speaker 1: I what the question that bubbles up for me every
Speaker 1: time somebody suggests that the PGA Championship go international is
Speaker 1: what happens to the PGA of America. Well, that's this
Speaker 1: a PGA of America because it's not the International League
Speaker 1: of PGAs that that runs the PGA Championship or whatever
Speaker 1: they're called. It is the PGA of America.
Speaker 4: How about this? How about this?
Speaker 3: They raised they raised let's just say they raised six
Speaker 3: billion dollars mm hmm.
Speaker 4: The first thing they the the.
Speaker 1: Oh the SSG private equity guys in the in the bonesaw.
Speaker 3: First first order business. We purchased the PGA. We make
Speaker 3: it ours, We own the Ryder Cup and the PGA.
Speaker 3: We can rebrand the PGA to whatever we want and
Speaker 3: it can become this, you know, maybe Saudi Arabia gets
Speaker 3: a major.
Speaker 4: That's that's that's the.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where this is leading, right because what
Speaker 1: what's really going to determine the structure and the character
Speaker 1: of a world tour schedule is where the money is
Speaker 1: coming from and what they want.
Speaker 3: But if you if that PGA became a world major.
Speaker 3: That's how you open up the schedule too, and it
Speaker 3: makes it cohesively, makes more sense, and you can have
Speaker 3: a longer schedule that fits. Yeah, the premise of off
Speaker 3: season golf is so big on off season off season offseason.
Speaker 3: If you play in the NBA Finals, you go from
Speaker 3: June and then camp reports in October. So there's what
Speaker 3: that's three months off if you're if you're in the
Speaker 3: you know, Major League Baseball, and you play into October
Speaker 3: and then catchers and pitchers report, I mean they played
Speaker 3: o November in the World Series, catchers and pitchers report
Speaker 3: in February, right, So you know, like that's not a
Speaker 3: long off season off The idea of like a five
Speaker 3: month off season is completely not feasible. No, but none
Speaker 3: of these guys, and golf is not a sport where
Speaker 3: you take five months off. You know, like reps matter,
Speaker 3: being sharp matters, and you will be at a disadvantage
Speaker 3: to players that played once a month for the five
Speaker 3: months leading leading into the next you know week and
Speaker 3: these So I think the idea of like a big
Speaker 3: long offseason is a complete farce. I think like what
Speaker 3: these guys want is is like October mid October till
Speaker 3: January tenth.
Speaker 4: That's what they want.
Speaker 2: Three months feels like an appropriate offseason, enough that you
Speaker 2: people long for golf again and enough that players get
Speaker 2: some rest without getting rusty. So I'm with three months.
Speaker 2: That seems reasonable.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 3: I think we've batted this around enough. If you've got comments,
Speaker 3: let us know, you know, if you want to build
Speaker 3: your own schedule, let us know. Maybe we'll start a
Speaker 3: weekend chat, or we'll start a little discussion post on
Speaker 3: on club TFE about this if your member. But anyways,
Speaker 3: thank you Joseph, thank you Garrett, and be back later
Speaker 3: this week with another episode.
Speaker 6: All right, thank you, thank guys.
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