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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Friday Golf Podcast. We are back. What

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Speaker 3: I think that nobody was really expecting such a big

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Speaker 4: We get a Rory McElroy win in Dubai.

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Speaker 3: Uh, we get a Lydia co win in Florida, and

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Speaker 3: then to top things off, while the while the big

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Speaker 4: So pretty historic weekend.

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Speaker 3: Not really something that you would have thought would happen

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Speaker 3: We've got a fun exercise. We're gonna we're gonna talk

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Speaker 3: roll into a discussion about a potential world tour. Rory

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Speaker 4: So excited to get this going.

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Speaker 3: Joseph Garrett thoughts on the weekend, do you think that

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Speaker 1: Joseph, I'll get your take on this. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: So I'm in on the pool pool noodles rehearsals, and

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Speaker 2: Some of the courses he's done really well on recently

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's like it's one of those mental games.

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Speaker 4: All right? I'm you know what I'm out on.

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Speaker 3: I'm out on on multi course pro am golf.

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Speaker 4: There's no insight.

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Speaker 5: Either.

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Speaker 2: There's instances of amateurs hitting putts that show the pros

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Speaker 2: the lines, which I don't like. I saw a clip

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Speaker 2: of Cam Champ hitting a putt that was going to

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Speaker 2: go in and hit an amateur's ballmark where they had

442
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Speaker 2: marked their ball and so it didn't go in, which

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Speaker 2: maybe that's Cam Champ's fault, But just in general, I

444
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Speaker 2: think having amateurs on the course at the same time

445
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Speaker 2: as the pros is is truly like, it's just not

446
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Speaker 2: it's not competitive, doesn't scream competition, and it diminishes the event.

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Speaker 4: It's a counting event, which is crazy.

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Speaker 3: And maybe somebody would say this is what the beauty

449
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Speaker 3: of golf is, that you could have a golf tournament

450
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Speaker 3: and have people out there, but you shouldn't, you know,

451
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Speaker 3: like think about this in the context of any other sport.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy. It's bananas, it is.

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Speaker 2: And I also really agree with your point that shot

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Speaker 2: link now is an expectation and I'm much more engaged

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Speaker 2: with an event when I can click through the shots.

456
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Speaker 2: I think even at the Salheim Cup last year, not

457
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Speaker 2: being able to click through shots. It's just become an

458
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Speaker 2: expectation of a modern golf fan. So without it, the

459
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Speaker 2: event loses a lot of its shine. So I totally

460
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Speaker 2: agree with being out on that, fully out.

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Speaker 3: I just want one other thing while we're here. I

462
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Speaker 3: saw I can't remember what I tweeted about this week,

463
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Speaker 3: but somebody replied there wouldn't be enough. Oh it was

464
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Speaker 3: Shane Bacon's commentary about moving some tournaments around a void

465
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Speaker 3: the NFL, like maybe having a Monday Tuesday finish to avoid.

466
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Speaker 3: And one of the things is Network TV has become

467
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Speaker 3: way more. You know, you see NBAS on Network TV.

468
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Speaker 3: More college football is on Network TV, more at night

469
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Speaker 3: that used to be ESPN games or be going moved

470
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Speaker 3: to ABC. So Network TV is more open to the

471
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: eyeballs that live sports springs. But anyways, someone said it

472
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Speaker 3: would be hard for the PGA Tour to get volunteers.

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Speaker 4: Volunteers.

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Speaker 3: This is a multi billion dollar organization and volunteers dictate

475
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Speaker 3: when they could go on air. That that also needs

476
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Speaker 3: to change the reliance on volunteers and golf needs to stop.

477
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 3: All these events make enough money, have enough revenue. The

478
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Speaker 3: TV rights are are insane that volunteers should not be

479
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Speaker 3: essential to putting a golf tournament on television or running

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Speaker 3: a golf tournament in general. Sorry, that's two things I'm

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Speaker 3: out on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't even feel like I should

483
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Speaker 1: talk about what I'm out on at this point where

484
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Speaker 1: these are these are such significant things. It is interesting

485
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Speaker 1: how that you know the role that the pro am

486
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Speaker 1: format has played in the history of the PGA Tour.

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Speaker 1: I think it was you know, these events, the Bob

488
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: Hope Classic and the Pebble Beach pro Am, that the

489
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Speaker 1: clam Bake were pretty crucial to building up the PGA

490
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: Tour when it wasn't what it is now. But now

491
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Speaker 1: the format clearly feels like a relic that kind of

492
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Speaker 1: holds back the competitive product a bit. So in any case,

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Speaker 1: what I'm out on is pronouncing amateur amateur. That's pretty much.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's it's ubiquitous on the telecast. There's no

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Speaker 1: announcer who says amateur there there. They've got to be

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Speaker 1: they've got to be fancy about it and say amateur.

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Speaker 1: But I put a Twitter poll up about this, and

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Speaker 1: and you know, it worked out more or less how

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Speaker 1: I thought it would. Where you know about thirty six

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Speaker 1: percent said amateur was the right pronunciation, and sixty four

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Speaker 1: ish percent said amateur was the correct pronunciation, but an

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Speaker 1: astonishing number of people suggested that both should be in use,

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Speaker 1: and that you should change your pronunciation of the word

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Speaker 1: based on the context. And I think that's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I can't be expected to, at the drop of a hat,

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Speaker 1: you know, based on the context in which I'm using

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Speaker 1: the word, change my pronunciation and do it reliably. I

508
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Speaker 1: can barely hold it together enough to pronounce a word

509
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Speaker 1: consistently the same way like Doune Lap, for instance. And

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Speaker 1: so I think amateur, let's just go with that. It's

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Speaker 1: the US amateur. Nick Dunlap is an amateur, it's amateur hour,

512
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Speaker 1: it's all amateur. Let's just keep it like that. That's

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Speaker 1: the that's the at least the American pronouncing that. The

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Speaker 1: British and Canadians can do whatever they want. But I

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Speaker 1: think amateur is the way that I'm going.

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Speaker 2: I think I flip back and forth, so I don't

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Speaker 2: even I don't know what that says, but I think

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Speaker 2: I say that's great.

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Speaker 1: One way.

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Speaker 5: I just flip around, well randomly.

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Speaker 1: If you do it with intention, then that's the then

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Speaker 1: that's pretty insane. And there are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in the comments suggesting that they could do it with intention,

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Speaker 1: like based on context could say amateur or amateur, and

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Speaker 1: I just, you know, I don't have that kind of

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Speaker 1: brain power.

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Speaker 4: I think I say amateur. Is that so that's wrong?

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Speaker 1: No, I've heard you say already in this podcast multiple times, amateur.

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Speaker 3: I think I go back and forth, then I help

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Speaker 3: back and forth, because you know why, you know why,

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Speaker 3: this is why it's important. Nobody's made it a declaration

532
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Speaker 3: of this is how it needs to be. And that's

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Speaker 3: why your take is important, because there you go, I've

534
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Speaker 3: been lost in the woods. I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 3: know which one it is, and so I just it's

536
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Speaker 3: like when you're guessing about somebody's name and you just

537
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Speaker 3: kind of go, uh yeah.

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Speaker 4: So that's the way I feel with amateur and amateur.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's go out.

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Speaker 1: That I've provided some clarity here. Let's uh yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: move on. Are we going to talk about the World

542
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: Tour now?

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00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: So obviously with the DP World Tour in uh starting

545
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: their desert swing, this kicks off the year. It's when

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Speaker 3: one of the times when golf's talent is kind of

547
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Speaker 3: split up beyond Live, you know, a historic time where

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Speaker 3: we see some of the high profile players in recent

549
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: years outside of live. This was pre Live that we

550
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: would see, you know, some of the most talent go

551
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: to the Middle East to play golf and versus the

552
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Speaker 3: West coast of the United States. But anyways, the real

553
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: talk has been around this restructuring of the PGA Tour.

554
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: Obviously they are taking in and and they're going to

555
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: be taking in an influx of cash, part from private equity,

556
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Speaker 3: it looks like likely part from the Saudi Arabia Arabian

557
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: Public Investment Fund, and with that cash, it is strongly

558
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Speaker 3: believed that the that the tour as we know it

559
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: will be greatly reshaped. It makes sense people invest billions

560
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: of dollars and expect to see a return on investment,

561
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Speaker 3: and it's unlikely that the current setup of the PGA

562
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: Tour is has enough growth opportunity for that investment to

563
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: see substantial return. So with that in mind, you know,

564
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Speaker 3: there's been a lot of calls and from you know,

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Speaker 3: two very notable people, Keith Pelly, the head of the

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Speaker 3: DP World Tour, who will be staying on Uh. He

567
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: took a new job with uh IN in Canada. Uh

568
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Speaker 3: with the Maple Leaf Entertainment right, uh As. I believe

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Speaker 3: the name of it.

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Speaker 1: The hockey team, right, He's basically yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it's like a sports entertainment group.

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Speaker 1: Though, oh is it? Is it not the hockey team?

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Speaker 1: I guess I just glanced these headlines.

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Speaker 4: I said, okay, and and then the.

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Speaker 3: He and Rory McElroy, obviously one of the biggest players,

576
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Speaker 3: the most influential players, have been kind of hammering the

577
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Speaker 3: idea of a world tour, that the growth in the

578
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Speaker 3: game is going to come from going global. So with

579
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Speaker 3: that in mind, I thought it would be fun if

580
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Speaker 3: we kicked around the idea of what would a world

581
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Speaker 3: tour look like? Where would you go and how would

582
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Speaker 3: the season set up? So I don't know how you

583
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Speaker 3: guys did this. I kind of kept the major championships

584
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Speaker 3: locked into their spots, but I could see a world

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Speaker 3: where you could move a major championship if you want,

586
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Speaker 3: if you so wanted. I think that with this investment,

587
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: pretty much anything is on the table here and let's

588
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Speaker 3: let's kick around how you started. So I guess to

589
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Speaker 3: kind of work our way through it. I'd love to

590
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Speaker 3: start by, you know, where did you start your season?

591
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Speaker 3: How did you start your season? And the idea here

592
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Speaker 3: is a fourteen to sixteen event calendar, so these top

593
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Speaker 3: players would play twenty player twenty events.

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Speaker 1: Does the fourteen event schedule include the majors now or

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Speaker 1: is this an addition to the majors? It's an addition. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's okay. That's that's how I was operating too.

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Speaker 1: So you want to know how we started, Joseph one,

598
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Speaker 1: why don't you go first? Here?

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00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 2: The only quick preamble I'd offer that I have must

601
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Speaker 2: have criteria. So there's some things I'm flexible on, some

602
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: things that are must have here for me real quickly,

603
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Speaker 2: the must haves about the calendar, I think the most important.

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Speaker 2: All these are sort of tied for most important, but

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Speaker 2: I think it has to have a flow to it.

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Speaker 2: That's probably the most important thing. Like other ends like

607
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: the NFL season kind of has a flow. You hit Thanksgiving,

608
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: you hit Christmas. Winter games like this can't be random.

609
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Speaker 2: Why are you going to the city at this time?

610
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Speaker 2: There needs to be a flow Geographically, it's super important

611
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: that each little swing has an identity. So that was

612
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Speaker 2: really important to me. You have to hit the big markets.

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00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: That was really important to me. You have to play

614
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Speaker 2: golf courses at the best time to play them. I

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00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: think Sawgrass is the best example of this where we've

616
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Speaker 2: made a huge compromise playing it in March right now,

617
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Speaker 2: that's not the best time to play TPC Sawgrass. So

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Speaker 2: all these courses and cities that we go to need

619
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Speaker 2: to be at the best time of year for that location.

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Speaker 2: And then I have two other small pieces of criteria.

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Speaker 2: We need to put players in a position to succeed,

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Speaker 2: So the cadence with majors and travel needs to make sense.

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Speaker 2: Guys aren't going to want to play five weeks in

624
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Speaker 2: a row, for example. And then last piece of criteria,

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Speaker 2: I think it'd be cool if when a player's really good,

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Speaker 2: like at the top of the world rankings, you try

627
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: to go to that country. So I Fideki Matsuyama is

628
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Speaker 2: one of the best players in the world. I think

629
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Speaker 2: it's pretty cool to try to do an event in Japan.

630
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Speaker 2: So those were the sort of four or five pieces

631
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Speaker 2: of criteria that I had happy to kick off with

632
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Speaker 2: MYE season started.

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Speaker 5: But does anybody that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I have a reaction to that actually, because I, you know,

635
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Speaker 1: I don't think I thought this through as well as

636
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Speaker 1: you have, Joseph, So that's right off the bat. But

637
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Speaker 1: and and so I sort of thought of like flow

638
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Speaker 1: and when you're going to the courses as details that

639
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: you can work out later. But clearly it's it's very important.

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Speaker 1: The main thing I thought about in choosing events is

641
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Speaker 1: which events are already successful, which events are good right now,

642
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Speaker 1: right because I think the main thing that you need

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Speaker 1: to avoid here is just creating events out of thin

644
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Speaker 1: air that don't mean anything to anybody. And that's the

645
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: lesson of the WGCs, that's the lesson of live It's

646
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Speaker 1: really hard to just you know, invent a golf tournament

647
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Speaker 1: and make it feel like something real. And so to me,

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Speaker 1: a World Tour would need to be constructed out of

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00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: the best current pieces of the PGA Tour and the

650
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: DP World Tour. You know, something to keep in mind

651
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Speaker 1: is that we already have a world Tour in the

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Speaker 1: world of golf. Yeah, it doesn't go to the Americas,

653
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: but the DP World Tour isn't just in Europe. You know,

654
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: they go all over the place. There is an infrastructure

655
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Speaker 1: and a schedule in place for something like a world tour,

656
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Speaker 1: and you know, the part of the group that is

657
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Speaker 1: negotiating this new schedule in golf, whatever it might look like,

658
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: is the DP World Tour. And so I think that,

659
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Speaker 1: you know, for me, just choosing trying to figure out

660
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Speaker 1: what the best pieces of each tour schedule are and

661
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: amplifying those was was my total focus here. And I

662
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: guess I didn't think very much about the practical considerations

663
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Speaker 1: of schedule flow and stuff like that. And so I'm

664
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Speaker 1: very curious to hear what you came up with and

665
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Speaker 1: how that it's different from what I came up with.

666
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Speaker 3: I think I you know, a couple points here where

667
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: what have been emphasized, just by Rory McElroy National opened,

668
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: they mean something that's kind of what you just hit on, Garrett,

669
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Speaker 3: is having some sort of you know, some national open

670
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Speaker 3: some history that's helpful, going places that are is used,

671
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: you know, things that work, right.

672
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Speaker 1: Yeah, current local support. I was looking for the the

673
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: antithesis of the Mayacoba or the Singapore tournaments, right, I

674
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Speaker 1: was looking for the whatever the opposite of that is, uh,

675
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, the opposite of that. You know, you might

676
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Speaker 1: consider the opposite of that to be the Phoenix Open, right,

677
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: or or the Travelers Championship, or you know, there are

678
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Speaker 1: some events on the on the DP World Tour that

679
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Speaker 1: also have really strong local support and identities and could

680
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: just be you know, turned up a little bit by

681
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: their introduction into this, you know, elite schedule.

682
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Speaker 3: And then the second thing that was I think I

683
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Speaker 3: believe the quote was venues matter, which I would assume

684
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Speaker 3: that all three of us wholeheartedly agree venues matter. So

685
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Speaker 3: I think one of the things that I looked at

686
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Speaker 3: with this exercise, and maybe I went away, I'm going

687
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 3: to go away from National Opens a little bit because

688
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: of this, is how would I create something where I

689
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: could get the very very best venues in golf? And

690
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 3: what do the very best venues in golf have in common?

691
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Speaker 3: The answer is they don't want to host year in,

692
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Speaker 3: year out. Outside of like Riviera, GPC, Sawgrass, like, there

693
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: are very few venues that want to host the pros

694
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Speaker 3: all the time. Now, if you made this one of

695
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: the beauties of this whole thing, if when you're talking

696
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: about resetting the deck, in my opinion, if you make

697
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 3: this elevated tour, this world elevated tour, and you say

698
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Speaker 3: from the outset, we are going to visit the best

699
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Speaker 3: golf courses in the world with the best player in

700
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 3: the world, and it's global, and you kind of take

701
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: the philosophy of we're not going there all the time.

702
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: What I did was I created areas in which I

703
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 3: could rotate cities and venues within the city. So you're

704
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Speaker 3: making an ask of Hey, Congressional let's just say in DC,

705
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Speaker 3: we want to come here with eighty hundred players of

706
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Speaker 3: the best players in the world, and we're going to

707
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Speaker 3: come once every eight or nine years. That's our ask.

708
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Speaker 3: Can you host us once every eight or nine years?

709
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Speaker 3: Because that's what the US Open the PGA does so well,

710
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 3: is that they aren't asking for every year. They aren't

711
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 3: asking for once every three years. They're asking for, hey,

712
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: once a decade. And right now, there are so many

713
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: golf courses in an American in particular, that have made

714
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Speaker 3: huge changes in an attempt to get a US Open

715
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: or a PGA Championship that cannot get one like they are.

716
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 3: They're the dates are gone. So you have this wonderful opportunity,

717
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Speaker 3: particularly stateside, and you're not going you know, in my world,

718
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Speaker 3: you're not going international enough that you're going to dry

719
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Speaker 3: out of those venues, but you have this unbelievable opportunity

720
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Speaker 3: to completely reshape, like out with TPC Minneapolis, in with

721
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Speaker 3: you know, we're going to Aaron Hills, We're going to

722
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Speaker 3: Whistling Straits, We're going to you know, the great courses

723
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Speaker 3: in Chicago. Like you have this opportunity to completely reshape

724
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Speaker 3: the venues in which you visit. And that's what I

725
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Speaker 3: think is so exciting if you just switch the mentality

726
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Speaker 3: of how you approach these venues, and you can do

727
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Speaker 3: it with this change.

728
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Speaker 5: I'm with you, Andy, I did the same thing.

729
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Speaker 2: Of the fourteen events we did, I think only picked

730
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: four golf courses and otherwise they're just regions. And with that,

731
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Speaker 2: I think it's really important to consider the flow. People

732
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Speaker 2: can't be flying all over the place. And I think

733
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Speaker 2: like for the way I did it, I basically have

734
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Speaker 2: events kind of in stretches of three, so guys can

735
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Speaker 2: play three events in a row and then have a.

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Speaker 5: Few weeks off. So I think we thought about it

737
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Speaker 5: pretty similarly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I thought about it really differently from

739
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Speaker 1: you guys, And to me, it sounds suspiciously like you

740
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Speaker 1: are inventing events out of thin air. We are, I

741
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Speaker 1: think I think that. I think that's the biggest problem.

742
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Speaker 1: I think that's that's the biggest potential danger. Even if

743
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Speaker 1: you're going to the best courses, even if you're going

744
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Speaker 1: to see some great golf course architecture, I think you're

745
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Speaker 1: going to have some issues if you're trying to create events,

746
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Speaker 1: you know, uh, from from the ground up.

747
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Speaker 3: One other thing I wanted to hit on was why

748
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 3: a world tour makes sense now. The pro game is

749
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: younger than ever, so like one of the reasons that

750
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: a world tour is hard for professional golfer is family time, right, Like,

751
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: you're going to be try a lot. The game is

752
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: younger than ever, so there's less family constraints than ever. Societally,

753
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: people are having kids at older age than ever before,

754
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Speaker 3: so that just works well with what you're trying to do.

755
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Speaker 3: Second off, these are the elite players of the game.

756
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Speaker 3: Almost probably fifty percent of them will be flying private

757
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: from event to event, which makes this type of tour

758
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: much more feasible. There's much more less worries about international

759
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 3: travel when you're flying private. So those are just two

760
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 3: things that make this better. And then The other thing

761
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Speaker 3: is that the world is getting more and more global

762
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Speaker 3: in terms of companies, so you know where you're going

763
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Speaker 3: to get funds, advertisers, different things. They are more interested

764
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Speaker 3: in global audience than ever before. So those are my

765
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Speaker 3: couple cents on why World Tour makes more sense now

766
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Speaker 3: than it did thirty too. All right, let's take a

767
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Speaker 3: quick break and talk about our sponsor, the USGA, and

768
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Speaker 3: who's familiar with your region and your course conditions. I

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Speaker 3: think this is super beneficial. I mean I had a

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776
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777
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Speaker 3: like I see it as an entrepreneur, you get so

778
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790
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Speaker 3: now back to our podcast on the world tour.

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Speaker 5: Do you want me to dig off with where my

792
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 5: schedule started?

793
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Why don't we go through that? I don't. I

794
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: don't know if we maybe maybe we can each give

795
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: like a basic overview of the schedule. Just quickly mention

796
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: the events and get a sense for where we went.

797
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: I can give you the framework of my scheduled.

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Speaker 2: People can nitpick maybe like actually that's not the best

799
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: time to go to this particular region of the world,

800
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Speaker 2: so open to that. And then television windows is always

801
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: going to be something we haven't hit on. But what

802
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: time is this on in America is always going to

803
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: be a big talking point. I didn't focus that much

804
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: on it, but I think I think my schedule kind

805
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: of accomplishes what I wanted to accomplish.

806
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Speaker 3: Real quick with that that America is the biggest television

807
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: audience for golf, right one, Europe's the biggest television audience.

808
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: F one curtails when the races are for the European audience.

809
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: Is that a far flung idea for golf? Could we

810
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: see golf being played at night certain places to kurktail

811
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Speaker 3: to an American audience.

812
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Speaker 2: As long as the shots that the golfers are hitting

813
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: are not compromised, then I'd be in favor of that.

814
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: But I think if you have if they're playing under

815
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: the lights and it's issues with depth, perception and stuff

816
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: to where it threatens the competitive integrity of the event,

817
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: I'd be out on.

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Speaker 6: Some of that.

819
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Speaker 3: But also I have a little bit of a night golfer.

820
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 3: He's a night golfer. Guy just plays his best golf

821
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Speaker 3: under the lights.

822
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Speaker 2: I do have a little mentality of, like, you know what,

823
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: suck it up and set an alarm and watch the

824
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Speaker 2: event at two in the morning if you really love golf,

825
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: like I understand that's not always practical, but we're not

826
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Speaker 2: talking about having forty five events. So if you have

827
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Speaker 2: to wake up a couple of nights a year in

828
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Speaker 2: the middle of the night for a great event, like

829
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Speaker 2: tennis fans might do for the Australian Open, right now,

830
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: I think it's okay. So I'll go through the framework

831
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Speaker 2: of my schedule. It's in little pods, and then I

832
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: don't think it'll take long to actually run through the

833
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: entire thing. I'll just do it succinctly. So I start

834
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Speaker 2: out with a three week stretch, open to changing the

835
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Speaker 2: order of these a little bit, but this is in

836
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Speaker 2: particular region of the world. A Middle East event, an

837
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Speaker 2: event in India. I think that's a cool idea from

838
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Speaker 2: Rory hit one of the most populous countries in the world,

839
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Speaker 2: and South Africa. So I'm envisioning this being a little

840
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: three week stretch in January kind of kick off the

841
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: world tour. Then I want to come over to the

842
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 2: United States and hit the West Coast swing. Like Garrett

843
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: was saying, the events that do things well, let's reward them.

844
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Speaker 2: Let's continue that le legacy. I have TPC Scottsdale, which

845
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: I think deserves an event. That's a golf course that's

846
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: a good test of professional golf, and it has a

847
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Speaker 2: culture to it, the party hole all about it. I

848
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Speaker 2: think it's a really cool event. So I go TPC Scottsdale,

849
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Speaker 2: Riviera Pebble and I'd be open to throwing Tory into

850
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: that rotation too. Not my favorite golf course, but historic venue,

851
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Speaker 2: West Coast Swing. So we do a little three week

852
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: stretch there, so you're up to sixth event, six events.

853
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: Then we go This is the part that may make

854
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: the least amount of sense, but I want to do

855
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: a little running to the Masters. I have an event

856
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: in Japan in March, and I don't know how well

857
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: you can play in Japan in March, so that's a

858
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 2: question mark. And then I go Australia, give a week

859
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 2: off and then the Masters. I think having a Royal

860
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 2: Melbourne or some other kind of sand belt golf course

861
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: into the Masters would be sweet. And maybe there are

862
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 2: a better time to play in Australia, but I think

863
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: April would be pretty good as a run in. Give

864
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: people a week off to travel back to augusta.

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Speaker 4: Quickly.

866
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Speaker 2: I hit sagrass in May into the PGA Championship. So

867
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: back in the US sawgrass should be played in May.

868
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be played in March. Let's get back to

869
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: playing one of the best courses for professional golf in

870
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: America at the right time of year, firm, windy, and

871
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: then leading into the US Open, I do a little

872
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: America South America Northeast America swing. So I go South America,

873
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: potentially Brazil into the American Northeast so could be Long Island,

874
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: could be Boston, could be Congressional DC that area into

875
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: the US Open. So that's another little three week stretch

876
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 2: right there, and then I cap it off with a

877
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 2: European swing.

878
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 5: I want to go something.

879
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: Like Spain, especially John Rahm's stature in the game, reward

880
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: him with an event in his home country. Maybe you

881
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: take a week off there and then you go Ireland

882
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: Scotland Open Championship. Open to playing around with that a

883
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: little bit, but I want to end with sort of

884
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: a lynxy European swing, and I have the Open Championship

885
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: ending the entire world tour. I think it actually be

886
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: a pretty cool Maybe the season ends to Saint Andrews

887
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: some years that. I think that flow to the season

888
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. Everything's done between January and

889
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: the end of July. In my schedule, they're broken up

890
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: into pods. I think the travel kind of works, and

891
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: I think you're playing most of these golf courses at

892
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: the best time to play them. So that's how I

893
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: thought about my world tour.

894
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: You know, the Midwest of the United States is crying,

895
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: it's in tears.

896
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: It's your own fault for what you did to the

897
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: Western Open.

898
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 5: You can that Northeast can move Canada.

899
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: Canada is the outraged once to once ajors are are are?

900
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: I think, like my critiques hit way too much, way

901
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: too much travel. It's way too much time away. There's

902
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 3: no nothing in there that people are never going to

903
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 3: be home and they're effectively playing golf out like on

904
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: the road for seven straight months. It just to me

905
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: it doesn't work.

906
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 5: You'll, I mean, I he there's how you do a

907
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 5: world tour that that.

908
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 4: Doesn't twenty there's twenty eight weeks.

909
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, the very definition of a world tour, Like.

910
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 3: There's twenty eight weeks in your You're you're on the

911
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 3: road for eighteen of them, and you have heavy travel like,

912
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: I don't think a world tour works unless you extend

913
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 3: to like nine months.

914
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: I just don't.

915
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's asking a lot of

916
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: golf fans to be engaged for nine months and you

917
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: are competing with the NFL season if you do that. Also,

918
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: like yeah, TPC Scottsdale to Riviera and a pebble, like

919
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: they're all in the same regions of the This isn't

920
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a big ask in terms of

921
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: this is a.

922
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: Professional This has spoken from somebody that clearly does not

923
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: have a child.

924
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: I don't have a child, but I'm also these are

925
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: professional athletes. They're twenty eight years old and they can travel.

926
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: Like I'm just saying it's a complete game changer.

927
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I feel like this is an argument

928
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: against a world tour, right because else do you do it?

929
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 3: Well, I think here's here's how I would do it,

930
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 3: all right here, all right, so I'd start with January.

931
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: I'm in Australia in the Middle East, So that's my

932
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: kind of like Australia has one. It rotates between Sydney

933
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: and the Melbourne courses and other places, like there's so

934
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: many great courses.

935
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: You could say, and this, by the way, is an

936
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: invented tournament. This is live Australia.

937
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 3: You could say it's the Australian Open. You could say

938
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 3: it's Australian Open if you want it, and you could have.

939
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: You mean, there's eight eight courses, I mean Metropolitan, Kingston Heath, Royal, Melbourne, Royal, Adelaide, like,

940
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you could go through so many golf courses

941
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: that could host these tournaments. All right, then you go

942
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: to Dubai, Middle East. I mean, listen, let's be very realistic.

943
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the Saudi International. Yeah, gonna be on

944
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: the schedule. Yeah, the piff, if the Piff is bankrolling this,

945
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: We're going to Saudi Arabia.

946
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 3: We're going to Jedda. We're going to Jedda, We're going

947
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: to Royal Greens. That's just the reality of the situation.

948
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 3: I'm not I like, am I happy about it?

949
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 6: No?

950
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe we get a mix.

951
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,959
Speaker 3: In Dubai and some other places in the Middle East

952
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: and it's a rotation, like right, like may really the

953
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: premise of of my whole schedule is there is no

954
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 3: locked in place, there's no place that hosts every year

955
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: and that is part of the lure is that you

956
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: get to see places. There's time off places. I think

957
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: there's real venue fatigue and that needs to be addressed.

958
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: So that is the the that's January. Then we moved

959
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: to the back half of February. The back half of

960
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: February is a simple two straight weeks and it rotates.

961
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 3: We combined La San Diego and Phoenix together. They rotate

962
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 3: between the three of them. It's Riviera, Tory and Scottsdale

963
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 3: every three years. Listen, it pains me that I'm taking

964
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: Riviera off the board every year, but I also think

965
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: venue fatigue is real, and with it every three years,

966
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: it's hosting some major championships coming up, it's hosting the

967
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 3: Olympics coming up. It actually heightens the venue. Then we

968
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 3: go to San Francisco, Monterey, we go to Harding Park

969
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: Olympic Club, which I'm sure would be happy to host

970
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 3: this event every three years in Pebble Beach. That's our

971
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 3: three course rotation. Maybe you could throw in some other

972
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 3: things if you wanted to get like NAPA involved, you

973
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: could go up to Silverado or something. But anyways, that

974
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 3: is is our three event course. There we have an

975
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 3: event in the in Florida. You could call it the

976
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: Players Championship, but it will rotate between courses, TPC Sawgrass

977
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: being one of them. Now, contrary to what Joseph said,

978
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 3: I mean one of the reasons they moved the players

979
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: back to March was for better weather or not better

980
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: better the course to play longer, right, and may. One

981
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: of the things that you don't hit his drivers out there.

982
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: That's one of the issues of the player of TPC

983
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: Sawgrass is that you don't hit a lot of drivers anymore.

984
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 3: A lot of fairways like it. You know, you can't

985
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 3: hit driver because a creek cross is the fairway and

986
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: and it you know it. They've outgrown TPC Sawgrass in

987
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 3: a way sadly.

988
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 5: Do you think it's better in March than May.

989
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it's better from turf conditions, no, but

990
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: like you do get like windiest time in Florida is March,

991
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: so you get more wind and it fits in my

992
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 3: schedule better to be completely frank, you know, that's one

993
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: of the things. And you can go down to Jupiter.

994
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: You could play an event down there. There are so

995
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: many courses that are about to open, probably some of

996
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 3: them that would be really good tournament hosts. Again, like

997
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 3: one of the benefits that golf has is that it

998
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: doesn't you know, the.

999
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 4: Box the people coming to an event.

1000
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: It is not a meaningful impact on the finances of

1001
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: the tour, if that makes sense. So with that you

1002
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: can do you get with this tour. You could get

1003
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 3: a little bit more creative with venues. Infrastructure doesn't always

1004
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: have to be upfront. You could do smaller, smaller fields

1005
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 3: or smaller crowd sizes with that. So anyways, then I

1006
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 3: go before the Masters, my lead in is a Texas Swing,

1007
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 3: a Texas event. Texas rotates between Dallas, Austin and Houston.

1008
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 3: So this is the beginning of April. Huge, huge markets

1009
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: and plenty of golf courses across those three cities. If

1010
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: you if you do that, you know there's probably like

1011
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: eight courses that could host between Fort Worth, Dallas, Austin,

1012
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: and Houston area. Then we go to the Masters. Then

1013
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: we do Southeast. Southeast is Charlotte, Atlanta. If you wanted

1014
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 3: to throw Harbor Town in there, you could throw them

1015
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: in there, but I don't really care. Obviously, those two

1016
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 3: two places have venues that are ready and willing to host.

1017
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: With Quail Hollow in the uh now renovated East Lake,

1018
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 3: so that that would be my after the Masters, We're

1019
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: still you know, we're very US heavy right now, right

1020
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 3: but Yeah, when I've heard.

1021
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 5: Quail Hollow is surviving onto your World Tour, it's once

1022
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 5: every three I just want to believe this.

1023
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: Listen, I got I got after after my Quail Hollow

1024
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: a racer on a recent podcast. I got multiple texts

1025
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 3: from from people that play on tour. Can't couldn't believe

1026
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 3: the Quail Hollow commentary.

1027
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: Get I get Quill Hollow blowback every time, and I

1028
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: stand by it.

1029
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 5: I think they're wrong.

1030
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm just putting it on. It's Charlotte's a great city

1031
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: to go to. What we're doing trying to do is

1032
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 3: create like markets, like I'm trying to reach the entire world, right,

1033
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: is what I'm trying to do with this. The next

1034
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 3: events the PGA, So there's one event in between the

1035
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: Masters and the PGA, which I feel like is is right,

1036
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 3: That's what you need to do with these majors. After

1037
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 3: the PGA, we're going to New York City, and I

1038
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: mean you've got like the greatest rotation of courses there

1039
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 3: between Ridgewood beth Page and Plainfield. I mean the old

1040
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 3: Barclays got this right. I mean there's so many great

1041
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 3: golf courses that they could host on. You should always

1042
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 3: have an event in New York, always, always full stop.

1043
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 3: That is the mecca of golf in America. US Open.

1044
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 3: Then after this, you know what it is, It's summer break.

1045
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 3: This is when people with families can travel the world.

1046
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 3: And we're going to England for the BMW Championship. We're

1047
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: going to keep that that tradition, that tournament alive. The PGA,

1048
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 3: PGA a historic event. I would rotate it. I'd go

1049
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 3: to different places. It wouldn't be just at Wentworth. I'd

1050
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 3: have other places in the in England in the mix.

1051
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: I think, if this is this world tour super successful,

1052
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 3: your your venue list is going to be great that

1053
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: you could go to. Whether it's Walton Heath, I mean

1054
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: I think you could. You could take that to Liverpool

1055
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: if you want it. I think like you can start

1056
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 3: to eat into these these great venues and eat into

1057
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: the major championship stranglehold on these. Next I've got Scotland

1058
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 3: and Ireland. This is one year it's the Scottish Open,

1059
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 3: one year's the Irish Open. They alternate back and forth.

1060
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 3: You've got great courses. Obviously we aren't gonna be going

1061
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 3: to Mount Juliet in Ireland. We are going to be

1062
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: going to like La Hinch, Royal County down Port Rush,

1063
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 3: Port Rush, and then obviously in Scotland you can throw

1064
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 3: Renaissance in there. I don't really care for it, but

1065
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 3: then you've got Glenn Eagles Gull and Castle Stewart, and

1066
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 3: I think again you could start to make inroads and

1067
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: maybe squeeze out some appearances at some Open championship venues.

1068
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 3: Then you have the Open after that. After that we

1069
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 3: go to Continental Europe. I'm not like the biggest fan

1070
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 3: of the golf courses that are probably gonna host in

1071
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: contineal Europe, but I am a big fan of going

1072
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: to Continental Europe. You've got Le Golf Nationale Marco Simone,

1073
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: you could go to Valderrama. You know there are other

1074
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 3: great courses there. I'm just not really sure how you know.

1075
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 3: I would love if they went to the Netherlands and

1076
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 3: played one of those Harry Colt courses in the Netherlands,

1077
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 3: but that Continental Europe swing could be four countries right there.

1078
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 3: Then we're back to America, and we're going to do

1079
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 3: New England. This is going to be September New England

1080
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: or late August New England. Philly and d C will

1081
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 3: get a rotating event, so it'll be Boston, Philly, d C,

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00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 3: three awesome golf markets that need events.

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00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 4: Then we go to the Midwest. We play Chicago.

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00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 3: The Midwest rotation is Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit, Toledo, Columbus in Wisconsin.

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00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: So this is like you're getting an event every six

1086
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 3: years or so in your market in the Midwest, but

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00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 3: it is the Western Open. This is going to be

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00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 3: a Midwest centric event. We could throw crooked stick in there.

1089
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: It'll get it'll get Joseph excited.

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00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 6: You know.

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00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 3: Then we got the Mountains Pacific Northwest at the end.

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00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: This is kind of like September and it's it's kind

1093
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 3: of between Pacific Northwest Venues and Denver.

1094
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 4: Is my is my idea here.

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00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 3: I'd be open to getting rid of it, and I

1096
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 3: know I'm over my events. But then we go to

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00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: Japan and South I mean.

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00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 1: Like, if if he said fourteen events, you have.

1099
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 4: Like six America, I have sixteen, sixteen events.

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00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, Andy, Jesus.

1101
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 4: Sixteen twenty events total for these guys.

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00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: I feel like this has been like thirty six events

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00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: South Africa.

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00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 3: You're just I'm just going to a lot of places.

1105
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm rotating the Japan, South Africa, and India all in

1106
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: a mix. Those rotate every three year, and then South

1107
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: America to finish, I could cut out Okay.

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00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: One event, you have one event in your entire schedule

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00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: and in the in Asia, yes, yeah, okay, South I

1110
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: mean yeah, that's how you get a lot of events

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00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: in America. I guess is by it still needs to.

1112
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 4: Be American meetric because of the television. That's one of

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00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 4: my Well, that's the thing is it's.

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01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: Not a world too. I feel like it's not a

1115
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: world tour.

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01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: That's fine, you can you can propose this. The point

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01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 3: of this was not to have the same schedules.

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01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think that that the PGA Tour is

1119
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: currently about as international as that schedule. You just na

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01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: maybe except for the Middle East portion of it. Well,

1121
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: THEA has the Scottish Open, the Open. Uh, the PGA

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01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: Tour goes to Japan right now. I mean, I guess Australia.

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01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: Did we go to South Africa?

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01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's in the it's in the Japan South Africa.

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01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: Oh, we included that in Asia. Yeah, so Africa and

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01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: Asia are.

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01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: Look I think my two career Andy, why what I

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01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: would push back on one. I think it's asking a

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01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: lot for people to pay attention to, like any kind

1130
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: of standings or something from January through like October. I

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01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: think it lands you sort of in the same spot

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01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour was in. When you have your golf

1133
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: golf year round, it doesn't actually feel like it's It

1134
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: just feels like this big nebulous there's always golf happening.

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01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: So that would be one thing I would push back on,

1136
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: and the other thing would be I think you lose

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01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: flow when you do like a US Open could be

1138
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: in the Northeast America and then you go overseas for

1139
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: the Open Championship, and then you come back to America

1140
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: and go back to like New York Midwest. I think

1141
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 2: these need to feel like swings, and don't. I don't

1142
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 2: like leaving a particular region and then coming right back

1143
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: to it. I think right now in golf, August already

1144
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: feels bland and like the season's over at the Open Championship,

1145
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: and I kind of think the schedule you're proposing perpetuates

1146
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 2: that feeling.

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01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm just trying to trying to I'm just trying

1148
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 3: to make a global I'm trying to get to the

1149
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 3: best venues. I'm trying to give everybody a little splash.

1150
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 3: I don't want to exclude anybody. I'm trying to This

1151
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 3: is my way of including everybody, including the great great

1152
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 3: country of America, include you know, India. You know, give

1153
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 3: everybody a little splash. I you know, I I would

1154
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 3: love to see DLF in India every three years. I

1155
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: don't want to see it every year.

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think where I'm coming down and

1157
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: hearing this discussion is that I don't really want a

1158
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: world tour. I don't think it's a good idea and

1159
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it I just I just don't think

1160
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: there's a way to make it work that would be

1161
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: way better than what we currently have. And maybe that's

1162
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: just an American centric perspective, but I think a PGA

1163
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: tour schedule is obviously really flawed, and we need to

1164
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: get rid of the FedEx Cup playoffs. There's there's stuff

1165
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: that we need to do. Maybe there's a new way

1166
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: that we're going to fund the biggest tour in the

1167
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: world right now, and it's going to involve the PIFF

1168
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: and some of these private equity guys that I'm supposed

1169
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: to be in off. But once we enter that money

1170
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: from those sources into this, they're going to start determining

1171
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: the schedule. I mean, I guess there's gonna be a

1172
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: motivation to make it globally popular, and that could have

1173
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: a good influence. But we're going to Royal Greens, We're

1174
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: going to Saudi Arabia every year, like it's not going

1175
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: to happen. Maybe we're going twice a year. Maybe we're

1176
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: going to go play that that you know, freakish course

1177
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: that Robert Trent Jones Junior just built on Sindala Island.

1178
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: All the all the everybody's gonna stay in yachts and

1179
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: and play that course. I mean, that's the thing is

1180
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: that I don't I just don't see things getting better here.

1181
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: Sorry to be really pessimistic about it, but I think

1182
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: that the elements of Andy's schedule that really appeal to

1183
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: me are the elements that are already in place on

1184
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: the PGA tour. Hold on In any case.

1185
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 5: Hold on the PGA tour schedule is broken. We cannot.

1186
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want to just sweep over

1187
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: though how bad the end of the PGA Tour schedule.

1188
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: This seasons feels over once we hit June. It's like

1189
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 2: the US Open and the Open Championship. Some people might

1190
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: get excited for some other events like the Scottish nothing

1191
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: else is exciting. The playoffs stink, The Tour Championship stinks.

1192
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: That has to get fixed. So I don't want to

1193
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: just like wave minds over.

1194
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 3: It's over once you hit the Masters.

1195
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, once the Masters.

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01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 3: Has played, PGA Tour events do not matter because you

1197
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 3: enter the.

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Speaker 1: Majors because it's major season. Yeah. Well, they screwed themselves

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Speaker 1: over by consolidating major season.

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01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 4: They did.

1201
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 3: They actually like that two month break between the Masters

1202
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 3: and the US Open gave the PGA Tour relevance, and

1203
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 3: especially when they had the players in May, it was

1204
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 3: actually like really good for them.

1205
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And it's it's kind of funny that they

1206
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: shot themselves in the foot here, you know, because the

1207
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: PGA Tour really kind of exerted its influence to to

1208
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: make this major schedule as consolidated as it is, and

1209
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: as a result, that's me major season. It's not PGA

1210
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: Tour season. It's major season. The PGA Tour is herky

1211
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: jerky around that time. It doesn't matter.

1212
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 2: I feel like we're landing in a place that's very

1213
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: similar to the existing PGA Tour schedule, and it is

1214
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: broken like that. That is the second half of the

1215
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: schedule stinks and that needs to get solved. So I

1216
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: don't I'm shocked at how similar to the existing product.

1217
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: Your sentiments both seem to be. Right now, mine, isn't

1218
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 2: it all?

1219
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: You haven't even heard of mine yet. I haven't even

1220
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: gone into it.

1221
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 5: Just the sentiment you're expressing, go ahead, yeah, well.

1222
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: Then yeah, the sentiment I'm expressing is that this this,

1223
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: what we're imagining here probably won't work.

1224
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 3: But you've got a real case of the Mondays here, Garrett.

1225
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: I know, I really well, I just spent a week

1226
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: of snow days, So my apologies, but I might be

1227
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: in the wrong frame of mind for an optimistic take here.

1228
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: In any case, my you know, I will say this,

1229
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: whatever I came up with here on my little notes

1230
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: document is not yearly as well thought out as what

1231
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: you guys did. I've been talking smack about your guys'

1232
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: schedules all along here, but I didn't do nearly as well. Basically,

1233
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: the extent of my research was to reach out to

1234
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: our friend Ben Coley, who follows the European Tour quite

1235
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: closely writes for Sporting Life dot com, and what I

1236
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: asked him was basically, what are the events currently on

1237
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: the DP World Tour that really work? And basically his

1238
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: response was, well, if we're pushing to the side for

1239
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: a moment, the Scottish Open, the Irish Open, the BMWPGA

1240
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: and to an extent, the British Masters, because those feel

1241
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: like the four most significant events right now on the

1242
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: DP World Tour the things that really work. That the

1243
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: British Masters obviously is a little bit in limbo. He said,

1244
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: some events that work would be the Dutch Open, which

1245
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: has gone by various names. I think it might be

1246
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: the KLM Open or something like that. At this point,

1247
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: the seat all my Continental ere Continental National Opens made

1248
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: in Denmark, and the suit All Open, by the way,

1249
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: for people who don't know, is that is basically the

1250
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: Belgian Open. And so these are the events that currently work,

1251
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: and so I feel like if we're going to construct

1252
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: a world tour, that the way to do it that

1253
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: would keep intact some of the traditions of these tournaments

1254
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: and incorporate tournaments that that truly work right now, where

1255
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: we're just leveraging what we're doing well right now. Basically,

1256
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: we'd have significant elements of the current PGA Tour schedule

1257
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: and we'd have and sprinkle in the parts of the

1258
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: dp World Tour schedule that work quite well. So the

1259
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: basic structure that that I ended up coming up with

1260
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: is that, like you guys, I'm looking at the West

1261
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: Coast Swing and thinking, we've got to keep a significant

1262
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: amount of this in place because we can't just race

1263
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Open. We can't just erase the LA Open.

1264
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: We can't do that.

1265
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 6: Right.

1266
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: If we construct a world Tour, we have to include

1267
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: those events somehow. And so yeah, Phoenix Open, Genesis Invitational,

1268
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: then we start to get into TPC Sawgrass and Arnold

1269
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: Palmer Invitational territory. We keep those events intact. Then guess

1270
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: what it's major season And the first three majors are

1271
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: the Masters, the PGA Tour, the PGA Championship, and the

1272
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: US Open. All of those are American majors, and so

1273
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: we're staying in the States at that point, and maybe

1274
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: for the World Tour we sprinkle in the Canadian Open

1275
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: and the Memorial between those majors. Then we're onto the

1276
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: European swing. Right. We're constructing a schedule around the Open,

1277
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,919
Speaker 1: and we're trying to construct it out of current national opens.

1278
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking Scottish Open, Irish Open, the British PGA,

1279
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: the BMWPGA and the Spanish Open. But the thing is

1280
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: like to borrow Andy's rotating idea. Maybe some years you

1281
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: sub in the suit All Open for the Irish Open,

1282
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: or you sub in the Dutch Open for the Spanish Open. Right,

1283
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: you just get a couple of European national opens and

1284
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: sprinkle them in around the Open Championship. So that's the

1285
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: that's the European Swing, but again constructed out of pieces

1286
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: of the current DP World Tour schedule that work. And

1287
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: then basically for the h for winter you know, I'm

1288
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: talking November December, and yeah, the year round schedule is

1289
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: a problem, but I'm not sure how you avoid it

1290
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: when you're talking about a world tour. I'm looking at

1291
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: the Zozo Championship that you know, it's a relatively new event,

1292
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,440
Speaker 1: but I think we can agree that it's extremely well supported,

1293
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: and that if you keep doing it in Japan that

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Speaker 1: people are going to come out and make it a thing,

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Speaker 1: especially as long as Hideki is on tour. You also

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Speaker 1: have around that part of the schedule Australian Open, South

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Speaker 1: African Open, and then you have your Middle East events,

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Speaker 1: right Dubai Desert Classic. You probably need to have the

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Speaker 1: Saudi International, but I didn't include that in my fantasy

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Speaker 1: schedule because nobody fantasizes about going to the Saudi International

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Speaker 1: as part of World Tour. So that's the basic structure

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Speaker 1: of the schedule that you know for me. An interesting

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Speaker 1: question is whether a Korean championship would be really successful now.

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Speaker 1: Ben Kley told me that the most recent effort by

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Speaker 1: the DP World Tour to go to Korea didn't work

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Speaker 1: out completely to plan. It wasn't as great as they

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Speaker 1: were hoping. But if you were to have your Tom

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Speaker 1: Kims and your Seawou Kims and your song jms playing

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Speaker 1: in that event instead of players who are less known,

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Speaker 1: maybe it would really work right because that's obviously a

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Speaker 1: country that is really into golf, maybe more women's golf

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Speaker 1: than men's golf at this point, but who knows, Maybe

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Speaker 1: that could be a big thing and a big piece

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Speaker 1: of this World Tour. But that's basically how I thought

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Speaker 1: of the schedule, trying to just take the tournaments that

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Speaker 1: have some identity about them, that are locally supported, and

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Speaker 1: make the schedule out of those pieces.

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Speaker 2: I think one thing to always keep in mind is

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Speaker 2: what does it look like the run up into a major?

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Speaker 2: So it'd be helpful to see some stuff on paper. Well,

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Speaker 2: if that's the way the schedule looks like, then in

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Speaker 2: the run up to the PGA or in the run

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Speaker 2: up to the US Open, which events are golfers playing in? Like,

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Speaker 2: those are important questions, and I think they're essential to

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Speaker 2: a good schedule and not just after thoughts. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that's an important thing to.

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Speaker 1: Consider, absolutely, And you thought that through better than I did,

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Speaker 1: But I just think of it. You know, like, if

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Speaker 1: you're saying that the Dutch Open is going to be

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Speaker 1: part of the World Tour this year, move it two

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Speaker 1: weeks before the Open or the week after the Open,

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Speaker 1: right because you have the Scottish Open as an established

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Speaker 1: lead in tournament for the Open Championship. Okay, keep that

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Speaker 1: and then maybe the week after the Open Championship we

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Speaker 1: say Okay, let's stay in Europe one more week and

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Speaker 1: let's go play the Dutch Open.

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Speaker 5: I think we got to avoid week after major events.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you're gonna be two weeks after

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Speaker 1: are you gonna are you gonna say are you gonna say, hey, Jupiter, guys,

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Speaker 1: you got to stay in.

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Speaker 4: Issue.

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Speaker 3: That's why these events happened the week after. And this is,

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Speaker 3: you know, is there's like travel, travel considerations, and you

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Speaker 3: have to have travel considerations.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just thinking about this makes my head spin

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Speaker 1: a little bit. And you know, one of the current

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Speaker 1: realities right now is that a lot of the best

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Speaker 1: golfers in the world are American and almost all of

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Speaker 1: the best funded tournaments in the world are based in

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Speaker 1: the United States, and that includes live live is maybe

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Speaker 1: even even more proof that it's just hard to make

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Speaker 1: a world tour schedule work because most of their tournaments

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Speaker 1: are in America right now.

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Speaker 4: That's that's fair.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the reality that you know,

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Speaker 3: you guys made fun of mine.

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Speaker 4: Everybody thinks theirs is the right way to do it.

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Speaker 4: That's the beauty of this.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't really think mine is the way

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Speaker 1: to do it. Because I don't think there is a

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Speaker 1: right answer here. The fact is this is just hard

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Speaker 1: and I would like to see Rory and Keith Pelly

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Speaker 1: get more specific about what they actually mean when they

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Speaker 1: talk about a global tour.

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Speaker 3: Here's the real answer I think to the to solving this,

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Speaker 3: and this is this is so crazy that I didn't

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Speaker 3: even put it as as my solf. The PGA has

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Speaker 3: to become an international major.

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Speaker 5: Oh I'm I'm I think I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 5: I was going to.

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Speaker 4: Ask how the world. That's how you create the world tour,

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Speaker 4: because then you can push your major, that major, the

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Speaker 4: last major, into a different season, and then you create

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Speaker 4: relevance through a longer period of time. The PGA being

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Speaker 4: American centric really screws up, like how you create a

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Speaker 4: season of golf. So if you could take that PGA

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Speaker 4: and push it, let's just say to October, and maybe

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Speaker 4: it's in Australia, maybe it's but when you push it

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Speaker 4: back that far, then everything in between has more significance.

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Speaker 4: And that's how you go from January to October. That's

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Speaker 4: the real solution. It's just you know, it took us

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Speaker 4: a long time to get here. I'm sure a lot

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Speaker 4: of people have probably been yelling this this whole podcast,

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Speaker 4: But that is the solution. You know what.

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Speaker 1: I what the question that bubbles up for me every

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Speaker 1: time somebody suggests that the PGA Championship go international is

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Speaker 1: what happens to the PGA of America. Well, that's this

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Speaker 1: a PGA of America because it's not the International League

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Speaker 1: of PGAs that that runs the PGA Championship or whatever

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Speaker 1: they're called. It is the PGA of America.

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Speaker 4: How about this? How about this?

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Speaker 3: They raised they raised let's just say they raised six

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Speaker 3: billion dollars mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: The first thing they the the.

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Speaker 1: Oh the SSG private equity guys in the in the bonesaw.

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Speaker 3: First first order business. We purchased the PGA. We make

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Speaker 3: it ours, We own the Ryder Cup and the PGA.

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Speaker 3: We can rebrand the PGA to whatever we want and

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Speaker 3: it can become this, you know, maybe Saudi Arabia gets

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Speaker 3: a major.

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Speaker 4: That's that's that's the.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's where this is leading, right because what

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Speaker 1: what's really going to determine the structure and the character

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Speaker 1: of a world tour schedule is where the money is

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Speaker 1: coming from and what they want.

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Speaker 3: But if you if that PGA became a world major.

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Speaker 3: That's how you open up the schedule too, and it

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Speaker 3: makes it cohesively, makes more sense, and you can have

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Speaker 3: a longer schedule that fits. Yeah, the premise of off

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Speaker 3: season golf is so big on off season off season offseason.

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Speaker 3: If you play in the NBA Finals, you go from

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Speaker 3: June and then camp reports in October. So there's what

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Speaker 3: that's three months off if you're if you're in the

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Speaker 3: you know, Major League Baseball, and you play into October

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Speaker 3: and then catchers and pitchers report, I mean they played

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Speaker 3: o November in the World Series, catchers and pitchers report

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Speaker 3: in February, right, So you know, like that's not a

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Speaker 3: long off season off The idea of like a five

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Speaker 3: month off season is completely not feasible. No, but none

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Speaker 3: of these guys, and golf is not a sport where

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Speaker 3: you take five months off. You know, like reps matter,

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Speaker 3: being sharp matters, and you will be at a disadvantage

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Speaker 3: to players that played once a month for the five

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Speaker 3: months leading leading into the next you know week and

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Speaker 3: these So I think the idea of like a big

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Speaker 3: long offseason is a complete farce. I think like what

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Speaker 3: these guys want is is like October mid October till

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Speaker 3: January tenth.

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Speaker 4: That's what they want.

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Speaker 2: Three months feels like an appropriate offseason, enough that you

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Speaker 2: people long for golf again and enough that players get

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Speaker 2: some rest without getting rusty. So I'm with three months.

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Speaker 2: That seems reasonable.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 3: I think we've batted this around enough. If you've got comments,

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Speaker 3: let us know, you know, if you want to build

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Speaker 3: your own schedule, let us know. Maybe we'll start a

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Speaker 3: weekend chat, or we'll start a little discussion post on

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Speaker 3: on club TFE about this if your member. But anyways,

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Speaker 3: thank you Joseph, thank you Garrett, and be back later

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