1 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: What is up, y'all? 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: I am so so excited because even though our first 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: season recently ended, we're actually not done having fun yet. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: My team and I have a few extra bonus episodes 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: in the store for you over the next couple of weeks. 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: And to kick it all off, I wanted to share 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: a fun conversation I had earlier this year with Sarah Spain, 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: an award winning journalist, diehard supporter for women's sports and 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: host of The Good Game with Sarah Spain podcasts. And 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: this time I'm actually on the other side of the 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: micro one. So in case you missed it, please enjoy 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: this fun chat where I talk all about women's golf 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: and I get into the weeds on why the LPGA 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: lags behind other women's leagues when it comes to activism. 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: There may be a little tea spilled, there may be 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: a little honestly spilled. You're just gonna have to have 17 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: a listen. I hope you all enjoy. 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: Joining us now. 19 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: She's a former professional golfer, hosted the Welcome to the 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: Party podcast here on iHeart Women's Sports, professional speaker and 21 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: social media star, A passionate advocate for junior golf, women's 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 3: sports and the LGBTQ plus community. She loves a TikTok 23 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: dance and she can do some mean tricks with a 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: club of ball and two feet. 25 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: It's Tisha all In. Hi, Tisha, Hi, Sarah. It's so 26 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: good to meet you. 27 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: I know we were at the same conference in New 28 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: York and I was watching you flip around some balls 29 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: from Afar, but we never actually got to chat. And 30 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: now you're part of the team. So welcome to the 31 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 3: Iheartwomen's Sports Podcast. 32 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: Fam. Thank you. 33 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: It's very exciting. It's a new world for me. I 34 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: am learning a lot. I commend you for just you 35 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: just turn and burn this kind of stuff. 36 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: It's a lot, daily shows, a lot. 37 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: But we're happy to be here for the people and 38 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: we're glad you're here because we have a lot of 39 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 3: questions about golf. But before we get to our burning 40 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 3: questions about the LPG and the new season, I want 41 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: to know more about your story and particularly how you 42 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: get to half a million Insta followers dancing, doing tricks 43 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: and sharing your love of golf. So let's go back 44 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: to the beginning. You were born in Rockford, Illinois, which 45 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: you grew up in Cali. How did you first get 46 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: started playing golf. 47 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: So actually, my dad got me into the game and 48 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: we got into the game at the same time, so 49 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: it was kind of like our means of just bonding. 50 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: He was a stay at home dad at the time, 51 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: and he'd go to the range bring me with him. 52 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: I'm three years old, and from that moment on, I 53 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: never stopped swinging a club. So I literally don't have 54 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: a memory where I wasn't a golfer. I don't know 55 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: what life is like without golf. 56 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy. 57 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 3: Oh cool, Yeah, yeah, So how does he feel about 58 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: the fact that I guarantee you can absolutely trounce him 59 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: in golf, Like you started at the same time and 60 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: you're infinitely better, I presume. 61 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually started beating him, I think at nine 62 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: years old, so it really wasn't that much longer that 63 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: I started to kind of catch up with him. And 64 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: then after that he just kind of became my coach 65 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: and he was cool with it. He would just literally 66 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: watch what he saw on TV. He'd like watch Tiger's 67 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: swing and be like, Okay, I think it's what you 68 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: need to do. So we were both just kind of 69 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: like doing it like on the fly, you know. But 70 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: he accepts that that I beat him, and on occasions 71 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: when we do play now, he'll see me hit a 72 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: shot and he's like wow, and I'm like, yeah, dad, 73 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: you grew you grew up watching me do this and 74 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: it just like it made him. And I think it's 75 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: a really cute kind of like full circle to be 76 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: like this is where he introduced me, and now I'm 77 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: able to make a living. Not professionally anymore, but you know, 78 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: still very much around the game. 79 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: That's really sweet. And I bet I don't have kids, 80 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: but I bet it is true. Like when the kid 81 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: that you taught how to do something be to you, instead 82 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: of being mad. 83 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: You're just like I did that. Yeah, yeah, I made that. 84 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: So you played golf at cal State Fuller ten. There 85 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: isn't a draft for the LPGA, so unlike other sports, 86 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: you sort of have to like know and feel ready 87 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: to go pro and also qualify. So what's that process? 88 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a great question, and I think it's a 89 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: really it's a big differentiator between other sports. Right because 90 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: we don't have a draft, it's really up to you 91 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: to be like, yo, I think I'm good enough. All right, 92 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: let's go do this thing. How do I do this thing? Oh, 93 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: you have to fund yourself. It's truly all up to you. Really. 94 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: The bottom line is that you do have to have 95 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: a certain handicap, which is essentially like a certain level 96 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: of playability. You had to be a decent enough golfer 97 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: to apply, and if you score too high on these 98 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: qualifying tournaments to qualify you as a pro, you can't 99 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: go back. So you can't like lie about this stuff basically, 100 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: But essentially there's a few different ways you can turn professionally. 101 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: But I literally you can graduate college and you can say, hey, 102 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: I'm declaring myself as a professional. And really the biggest 103 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: difference is that you're now getting paid to play. So 104 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: the moment that you try and enter a tournament for money, 105 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: you are now a professional. Doesn't matter if it's a 106 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: minor league event, a major league event, you know, just 107 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: any place where it's a sanctioned tournament and you can 108 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: win money, you are now a professional. 109 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: So even if you don't win money, even if you don't. 110 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: Win money, but you entered into a tournament, you technically 111 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: are professional. But like a lot of people won't declare 112 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: themselves that until maybe they see a paycheck out of 113 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: like their own pride. 114 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: You know, you could go back to amateurs at that 115 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: point if you haven't won. But once you've won some money, 116 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 3: then officially you're. 117 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, you're officially a pro. You can deem amateur 118 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: status back. Some people still like to do that. I 119 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: never have, so I'm still considered a professional. I just 120 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: haven't competed in a more legitimate event since twenty eighteen. 121 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 2: That's kind of when I put the back down. But 122 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: the actual qualifying process, there's a thing called Q School 123 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: or a Q Series that they keep changing the name, 124 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 2: and it's it's kind of like Hell Week. It's three 125 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: different huge ass tournaments and you have to basically beat 126 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: out like five hundred girls, go to second stage, beat 127 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: out two hundred fifty of the best girls, go to 128 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: final stage, beat out one hundred of the best girls, 129 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: and only top twenty get their card, Like. 130 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: And then you do a cachstand and then that's it. 131 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: And then that's it, and then you're back on the 132 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: road again. 133 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: You're ready to go Hell Week for golf. Okay, wow, okay? 134 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 3: And then can you get funding from sponsors or other 135 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: folks early on to help you fund this? Like you said, 136 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: if you're just starting out and not winning anything yet. 137 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and so I think the beauty but also the 138 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: difficulty of it is is that it's all up to you. 139 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: It's up to you to self promote yourself. If you 140 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: get a sponsor, amazing, that's that's all on you. And 141 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: one of the hardest things coming out of college because 142 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: that's typically the traditional process. Some people, some women, some 143 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: men have gone professionally before not even going to college. 144 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: But typically you go to college. It's it's really just 145 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: like trying to showcase yourself, whether it's on social media 146 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: or getting creating partnerships and relationships with people, and really 147 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: just having good game to be recognized to get sponsors, 148 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: and it's not easy when you're not on the LPGA Tour, 149 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: which is the highest level. Right there's like a minor, middle, 150 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: and major leagues. It's the way I like to explain it. 151 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: The minor leagues are are basically like the it's kind 152 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: of like entry level tournaments. It's to kind of get 153 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: your feet wet. Then there's like the middle leagues, which 154 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: is considered it's called the Epsen Tour or Ladies European Tour, 155 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: and then there's LPGA well, those that are starting out 156 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: from ground zero or even on the EPSN Tour, which 157 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: is a really great tour. These girls don't often get sponsors. 158 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: It's not easy to get noticed unless you're actually on 159 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: the LPGA or you have some type of media value 160 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 2: outside of your ability. Right. 161 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: So, because women, you. 162 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: Know, we actually we have to care about the way 163 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: we look, how we present ourselves on top of our ability. 164 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: It is a double edged sword in my opinion, compared 165 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: to men's sports. 166 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: Right, So, did you always know you wanted to get 167 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: into media and were you simultaneously building your media presence 168 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: before retiring, like while you were playing. 169 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: Yes and yes. So when I went to Kelsea Fullerton, 170 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: I was there on a D one scholarship. I played 171 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: number one. My college coach was a former LPGA player. 172 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: I knew that I always wanted to try and tern professionally, 173 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: but I fell in love with broadcasts and speaking at 174 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: a younger age, like eighth grade, you know, high school. 175 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: I was doing my newscast for my high school and 176 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: all that stuff like that. I got an internship with 177 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: like ABC when I was in college, and I have 178 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: a broadcast journalism degree in communications, and so for me, 179 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: I knew that if there came a time that professional 180 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: golf wasn't it for me. I always wanted to talk 181 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: about golf. But at the same time, when I graduated, 182 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: which was in twenty fifteen, I said I'm going to 183 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: turn pro, and then I said, oh shit, how am 184 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: I going to afford to turn pro? Well, there's this 185 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: thing called Instagram. Now, I guess I should probably showcase 186 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: myself and let's see what happens. It was very, very 187 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: new at the time. The word creator or influencer was 188 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: never a thing, and in my opinion, not something I 189 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: ever wanted to call myself because I'm a professional golfer. 190 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I was just using 191 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: this thing as a tool to hopefully, you know, if 192 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: I got just one view from someone who wanted to 193 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: sponsor me, maybe they liked my swing, maybe they saw 194 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: my scores, it could mean something. And then that's actually 195 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: what happened. And then I kept growing and growing and 196 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: growing from there. So I didn't wake up with half 197 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: a million followers or a million on TikTok or what 198 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: have you. It's just been a really slow growth since 199 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. And eventually I learned to love the media 200 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: side more than the playing side. 201 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: What did you see when you started to create content 202 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: for up and coming women golfers or just golf fans. 203 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: What did you see missing from existing content that you 204 00:08:58,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: were like, oh, I want to put that out there. 205 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: Literally that just up and coming, like like welcoming content 206 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: for newer female golfers. I think that was the biggest thing. 207 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: And I know I knew that for myself just being 208 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: a female would already resonate so much because golf, just 209 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: like I'm sure a lot of other sports, it is 210 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: very male dominated, very very male dominated, a lot of 211 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: tradition that goes into it. And so if you ask 212 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: any woman getting into golf, no matter how how long 213 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: they've been playing or not, almost every woman can probably 214 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: say or attest to the fact that they've had a 215 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: negative experience with a male coach, or they've been talked at, 216 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: or they have been you know, just negative connotation. And 217 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: for me, I was like, well, I don't have the 218 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: ability to teach everyone every single day. What can I do? 219 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm gonna share content where I can 220 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: be relatable, make it digestible, make it very simple, because 221 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: I know I'm good at explaining things and breaking things 222 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: down and also just like making women feel like, yeah, 223 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: you can do this and you can be really badass 224 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: and do this. So that's where I would balance like 225 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: the teaching content of you know, golfers and also showing 226 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: like the badass like events they get to go to 227 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: and the trick shots and the pros they get to 228 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: be around, so that they can see like you can 229 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: do it, you can get there. 230 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can do cool shit golf through golf yeah, yeah, 231 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: it is extremely male dominated. I actually spoke to the 232 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: PGA of British Columbia probably like three or four hundred 233 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 3: folks last January, and there were I think four women, 234 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: because in Canada the LPGA doesn't really have the same hold. 235 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: If you're a professional up there, you're often in the 236 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: PGA instead, even as a woman. And so all these 237 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: pros like helping them understand whether their policies and their 238 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 3: way of doing things was inclusive and actually welcoming women 239 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: to their clubs, into their spaces, or whether they were 240 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 3: unintentionally perpetuating some of those traditions that made women feel 241 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 3: like they weren't allowed. There's a great satirical video where 242 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: they flipped the switch and it looks like a guy 243 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 3: is being allowed to join his girlfriend at the club. 244 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: It's an all women's club. Oh I love that. Yeah, 245 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: it's a hailehy ledbetter I think, is that? 246 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 2: Oh Hollie, yes, oh my cours. 247 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: I love how it's such a great way of like 248 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: rethinking and being like, yeah, this is what it feels 249 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: like as women going into these spaces all the time, 250 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 3: and like seeing it flipped really brings it to light. 251 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:22,239 Speaker 4: Yeah. 252 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: Okay, so we've got your background and how you've turned 253 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: golf into this amazing thing and made it more accessible. 254 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 3: We need our listeners and me too, to get a 255 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: little more information so we can jump in and understand 256 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 3: more about it. So it's time for No Dumb Questions 257 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: Golf Edition. So for the listeners that know a ton, 258 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: this will be a reminder, But for those of us 259 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: that want to get started and watch more, we're going 260 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 3: to use my patented method for this stars steaks, stats 261 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: and stories. So I actually want to start with steaks first. 262 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: What counts as a great season in golf is that 263 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 3: like a couple of big tournament wins for a player. 264 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 2: Absolutely tournament wins really help your rankings, but at the 265 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: end of the day, it comes down two rankings. There 266 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: are two different ranking systems I believe one is called 267 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: the Rolex Rankings. The other one I'm blanking on. But 268 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: just know that they both matter because they weigh in 269 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: for big events for like, for example, the Solheim Cup, 270 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: which is our team USA versus Team Europe event. It's 271 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: a big deal. Like rankings matter for that. Rankings also 272 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: matter for for your pay. Essentially you can get bonuses. 273 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: It matters just for you know, you know, rankings because 274 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: they matter, and so that is essentially. Yeah, that's that's 275 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 2: how it rolls. 276 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: Okay, So a couple big tournament wins is good. 277 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely? Are those bonuses coming from sponsors? Are they 278 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: coming from the LPGA, Like, if you're getting bonuses for 279 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 3: your rankings, where's that money coming from? 280 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: So oftentimes it is a lot from sponsors. They do 281 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: actually have a challenge, I believe it's also going on 282 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: this year. It's called the a On Risk and Reward Challenge. 283 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: And although that's not really a bonus, but it's another 284 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: it's another. 285 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: Thing to go fight tw a season law. 286 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, essentially like accumul Yeah, it's basically where aon 287 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: is a sponsor, and they would at each event they 288 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 2: would have a specific holding sponsor and whoever has the 289 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: lowest average score on that hole and it's all comprised, 290 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: you know, the compilation of all the tournaments, and they're 291 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: a hole from each tournament. Whoever has like the lowest 292 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 2: you know, scoring average will win a million dollars. 293 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 294 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: And my good friend angel Yann who's on the LPGA Tour, 295 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: one that was it, and I think it was in 296 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and it was just like, I mean, 297 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: it's an amazing, amazing additional paycheck to end no kids 298 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: in with, right. 299 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like when I play in the like low 300 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: obviously clearly low level celebrity golf tournaments here where they 301 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: pair me with a bunch of guys from like a 302 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: construction company. Yeah, there's always like one hole where closest 303 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 3: to the pin and get surprised or longest drive and 304 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: it's specific to that hole. But it's like that on 305 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 3: steroids because it's across the entire and for a million dollars. Ye, 306 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: I did win closest to the pin once. In case 307 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: anyone was wondering, Okay, how can we tell by looking 308 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 3: at the calendar which tournaments are the biggest and are 309 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: probably featuring the top towent. 310 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 311 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: So usually when you're looking at a calendar, they'll they'll 312 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: typically have it boulded of some sort or there will 313 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: be a note that it is a major. But there 314 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: are a few tournaments that that are very notably clearly majors. 315 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: For example, the US Women's Open, hands down, very big 316 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: one that one takes place in the States. Then there's 317 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: a women's British Open, which is essentially like the US Open, 318 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: but of UK, and it's just as big and so 319 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: and then. 320 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: And everyone can play in those. 321 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: No, you have to either qualify to be in there 322 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: or you have to have the correct you know, a 323 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: high enough ranking. 324 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: But I mean like it's not a specific to British players. Oh, 325 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: it's like the French Open tennis. Everybody plays and it's 326 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: just in fan exactly. So British Open, US Open might 327 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: have similar fields exactly where they're being held. 328 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: Correct, like Wimbledon or yeah, yeah, US Open and Tests, 329 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: yeah exactly that. Yeah, So there's five big majors. One 330 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: of them is Another one is the Evyon Championship. Again 331 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: a sponsor name. I totally get It's so funny because 332 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: as a golfer, I don't think of it. It's just like, oh, 333 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: I know that's a major, but I'm like, oh my god, No, 334 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: other people may not know that's a big deal. So 335 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: there has to be like an addition. 336 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: In my life, especially when the sponsors changed, because like 337 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: one year you'll be like, oh, I heard that's a 338 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: big one, and the next year is a different name. 339 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know, is that the same thing? 340 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: Good point? 341 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: You know, I don't gonna have to bring that back. 342 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, let's talk stars. 343 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: Yes, last year even the most novice of watchers knew 344 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: about Nelly Korda. 345 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good pace seven. 346 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: Events that she won LPGA Player of the Year. Tell 347 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: us more about her and what makes her so good, 348 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: you know. 349 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: So Nelly has always been a very first late her 350 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: and her sister are very strong players. So there's Nelly 351 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: and Jessica Korda. So Jessica has taken a step back 352 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: and is actually more on the commentating side now, but 353 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: she's had many wins under her belt too, and leading 354 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: up until last year, Nelly was always a very solid player, 355 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: like you would always see her in the top ten rankings. 356 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: But last year when she won six tournaments in a 357 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: row and then finished out with the seventh, I think 358 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: later in the season, like, I don't think people really 359 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: understand the gravity of how insane that is. Like that's 360 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: a that's like a Tiger Woods year, you know, like 361 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: and when he was in his prime. And and she 362 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: was literally unstoppable last year. And she even claims that 363 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: she went through a low point. I think any any 364 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: high level athlete will consider themselves like there's a low 365 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: point in any high But I'm like, girl, you still 366 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: want seven events. 367 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: I think every one of the best years ever you so. 368 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: And and I think she already had a really strong 369 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: finish coming into this year, and this season just began, 370 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: so we're we're just now getting started. Majors don't happen 371 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: until the spring season, so it's really just warming up 372 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: basically up until then. But Nellie Corda you absolutely have 373 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: to watch. She's also a great follow and you know 374 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: she's growing to become more than just her ability, but 375 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: also her personality, which I think is such an interesting 376 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: thing in golf because unlike other sports like w NBA 377 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: and and NWSL, women in golf we are kind of 378 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: trained to not speak out right, like we've always been 379 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: kind of like submissed. You know, you don't don't don't 380 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: talk outwardly about you know, inequalities and stuff. And it's 381 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: kind of just now becoming more mainstream. And Nelly has 382 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 2: also spoken about it, like, you know, slow play, we 383 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: need to fix this girl, like the girl's schedule, We 384 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 2: need to fix this, and so she should she can 385 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: because she's the best player right now. 386 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: So like using that influence to speak out. And you 387 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 3: mentioned how golf culture has sort of historically relied on 388 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: women not speaking up and how it's a different culture 389 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: than other sports. And what we found is in some cases, 390 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 3: the activism is actually what draws fans to women's game, 391 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: whether that's WNBA or NWSL, and maybe has kept fans 392 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 3: away from golf. For instance, the LPGA has had some 393 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: of the most restrictive policies when it comes to trans athletes. 394 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 3: Organization didn't make much of a statement when Roe versus 395 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 3: Wade fell. They had a recent partnership with Barstool Sports, 396 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 3: which I found really problematic. It just feels different from 397 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 3: women's leagues. Do you think that the golf world realizes 398 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 3: that the lack of activism and the partnerships they choose 399 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 3: maybe has prevented the sport from growing a fan base. 400 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 2: I mean, I completely agree with everything you're saying, and 401 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: I think the hardest thing with golf, as I mentioned, 402 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: is traditional background. Right that you're raised and it's always 403 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: been raised to be a man's sport, and we have 404 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: consistently pushed the boundaries, and I've always told everyone that 405 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: golf is always just a few years behind because of 406 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: the tradition. Like if I could, if I were the 407 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 2: commissioner and I got to have all to say, I 408 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: would literally be following exactly what the other sports are doing. 409 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: Because I truly believe too that the activism is exactly 410 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: what draws outside fans into the game, a newer generation 411 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 2: into the game. How can you play a sport that 412 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: you don't simply feel welcome in. I'm a part of 413 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: the LGBTQ plus community. I didn't see I didn't see 414 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: much voice in that until a lot later in my 415 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: years when I really needed it most, you know, And 416 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: that's why I speak so avidly about it, because I'm like, 417 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: God forbid, there's someone younger than me who wants to 418 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: golf and doesn't feel welcome, you know, like that's why 419 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: I feel the need to press so hard. So I 420 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: do agree with you that I think that the lack 421 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: of activism or the lack of pushing harder, I suppose 422 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: because they I can't say that they don't do nothing. 423 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: They do. 424 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: And I understand them to the degree where if you 425 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: if you try and put anything down your audience's throat, 426 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: it will never be received well. And I know that 427 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: they're doing their best to try and create change, but 428 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: not in such a way that's so drastic that it 429 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: then creates like a huge, you know, a huge negative reaction. 430 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: And I think that's a really hard balance with golf. Also, 431 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: I think what's really difficult is that golf is an 432 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: individual sport. So at the end of the day, for 433 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 2: men and women combine. If I'm feeding my people, I'm 434 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: feeding my camp. 435 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: Do I really need to look at picture right. 436 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 2: But when you're in a team atmosphere, I feel like, 437 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 2: especially with like women's basketball and the NWSLF, you have 438 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: your other teammates to give you the confidence to speak up. 439 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: You have other strong women who are like, if you fall, 440 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 2: I catch you. There is not a lot of that 441 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: in women's golf, and golf is such a solo sport, 442 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: literally blinders up because you're just training by yourself. That 443 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: I don't blame these women too, because they weren't also 444 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: given the tools and maybe not necessarily maybe also not 445 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: the knowledge to be able to speak on it. I 446 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 2: think a lot of them also feel uncomfortable because they're 447 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: still trying to figure out where they stand or the 448 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: right words, or they're afraid to get canceled. 449 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, where with sponsors even Yeah, if sponsors are wanting 450 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 3: to be more traditional, has there ever been conversation about 451 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 3: a union for the players? 452 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: That's a great question. I think it's been brought up 453 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: amongst the They have like a leadership advisory board that 454 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 2: are the professionals, and I think that's I think that's 455 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: something that they definitely bring up. But it's also something 456 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: that they absolutely fight because there is not much protection 457 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: for let's say the players on tour who are mothers 458 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: and need care right and or like paid to leave. 459 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: We don't get that you take time. 460 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: A like a union might help and give that support 461 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: that maybe individuals need. 462 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 5: Absolutely I agree. 463 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 3: Okay, so who's been atop the leader board pretty consistently 464 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: in recent years. 465 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: What's another name or two we should now so Lydia Coe. 466 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: Lydia Coe, she is amazing. 467 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 2: She won the Women's British Open last year and she 468 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: has I think two or all three Olympic medals under 469 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: her belt from the past, and she was a young 470 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: starlight still killing it on the tour, and she she's 471 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: just someone that you want to follow, not only because 472 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: she's a great player, but she has she's genuinely such 473 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 2: a really good human being, you know what I mean, 474 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: Like not jaded by the industry or the media. She 475 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: just keeps doing what she does and she does it 476 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: very well. So Lydia Co absolutely, I'm gonna have to 477 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: throw out my friend who I mentioned before, Angel Yan 478 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 2: out there. She is a player who I feel like 479 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: has always been on the rise, and she's had one 480 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: LPGA win, but I think she's just waiting kind of 481 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: like for that consistent winning moment. But she's always been 482 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 2: right there. She just finished i think top ten in 483 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: the last event, and she has a really big personality 484 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: and I appreciate any big personalities on the t And 485 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: the last one that I will say is Megan Kang, 486 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: who is also another like always been top twenty players. 487 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: She played in last year's Solheim Cup, which I mentioned 488 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: was a really big tournament and Team USA took home 489 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: the win. Thank goodness we got the cup back. And 490 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 2: she's also just an amazing personality. She's not afraid to 491 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: dance on the golf course. She's not afraid to, like, hey, 492 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: like pump up the you know, bring the crowd up 493 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: and whatnot, and like that's I think what we mean 494 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 2: more of in golf sure, and I think that the 495 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: younger generation of golfers that are now coming into the 496 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: league or into the tour are bringing that energy. 497 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 3: And I think there's probably even if it's unspoken or 498 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 3: sort of subconscious, if you enter a space that's been 499 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 3: more welcoming to women throughout the entirety of your life, 500 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 3: you're more likely to bring some spice to it than 501 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 3: women golfers who arrived at a time when there were 502 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: still so many clubs that didn't even allow women members, 503 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: and that's so clearly discriminated against women in the space. 504 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 3: I think with every year that passes where it's more normal, 505 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: there's more sponsors and funding and interest and resources for 506 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 3: women golfers, they feel more comfortable demanding more. We've seen 507 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: that across every single sports space is more secure and solid. 508 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 3: The athletes feel more empowered to speak out about the 509 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 3: things that they want to need. Okay, let's talk stories. 510 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 3: Are there any players you just mentioned a couple, but 511 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 3: any other players we might fall in love with if 512 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: we knew more about them. I'm thinking about they're representing 513 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 3: a group that isn't usually seen in golf. They've got 514 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 3: a fun side gig, they're coming back from injury, They've 515 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: got a great social media presence. 516 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm thinking in part like Charlie Hall. 517 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: Heard much about her such a good saw a clip. 518 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 3: Where she's like bumming a sig off someone in the 519 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: gallery in the middle of I'm not advocating for that. 520 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 3: I hate cigarettes, but I'm like, this is a unique 521 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: person that I need to hear more about. 522 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: Why is she smokeing heaters midway through them? At Yes? 523 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 2: I mean gosh. Charlie is also another big fan favorite, 524 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: and shout out to Malbourne. It's it's a golf brand 525 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: and the way they've brought streetwear into golf, and she's 526 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: wrapped by them, and so she's playing well, she's ripping 527 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: cigarettes and she's looking good out there, and she honestly 528 00:23:58,840 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: she just gives. 529 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's not care. 530 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: Not what we not we advise, but but she is 531 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: definitely a player to look out for because she she 532 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 2: also just had a win last year and she is 533 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: a player that she like nothing fazes her. Like you 534 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: can you can do no wrong by her. You can 535 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: try and heckle her, you can do all you want. 536 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: She doesn't. 537 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: She doesn't care. She literally does not care. And I 538 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: love that about her. So definitely her, I think, gosh, 539 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 2: I mean, I know I keep bringing up Angel, but 540 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: she's she's such a good she's such a good story, 541 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: and I think I'm waiting for that big moment for her. 542 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: Lily Avou is another one. They're kind of like Angel 543 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 2: and Lily kind of I feel like, always competed together 544 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: when they were younger coming up. And Lily is a 545 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: very strong player as well. Was also in the Sol 546 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: Hymn Cup, and I think she she also had a 547 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: few injuries, and so I think for her waiting for 548 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: that big moment. It's hard in golf. 549 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: Because you you you lose. 550 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: Far more than you win, right like, if anything, if 551 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 2: you're you're lucky to have a win in your career period. 552 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: But you know, I recently also began this podcasting journey, right, 553 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: and I just had a couple of young girls on 554 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: my pod, Christine Christine. 555 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: Wang and Amari Avery, who are USC grads. 556 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: They're in the Middle League tours, fighting the way to 557 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 2: the top, and I think that they're just great personalities. 558 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 2: One is a lot more social media heavy, really shows 559 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 2: it behind the scenes. 560 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: Of professional golf life. 561 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: And amar Avery, who has been a Starlight golfer, was 562 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: was on justin Timberlake's documentary show called The Short Game 563 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: or something like that on Netflix, and and she's up there. 564 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: She's already played a few LPG events and so just 565 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: very excited to see the younger generation and come onto 566 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 2: the scene. 567 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 3: You've mentioned Starlight twice. Is that a lower level kind 568 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 3: of golf. 569 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't say that. It's more just like they 570 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: are just future stars in the making. 571 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: Okay, got it? Yeah, And they are assigned that specific 572 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: name or is that your own? That's just my own thought. 573 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 2: It was like a star Lights like I thought it 574 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: was like a like a like but you have your 575 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: own my little star Lights. 576 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 577 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 3: I just wanted to point out because this is something 578 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 3: I was surprised by when I was researching for the 579 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 3: show Lexi Thompson retiring. She has this massive name in golf, 580 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 3: and then I looked and she has fifteen professional wins. 581 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: Okay, that's not a lot for how long she played. 582 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: It is a lot for golf though, Like if you 583 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 3: don't know about golf and you're like, she played how 584 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: many years and she won fifteen times? And that helped 585 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 3: me kind of put into perspective and recognize that to 586 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 3: your point, you're lucky if you get a win a 587 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: season and you could still be one of the best 588 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 3: players in the world. 589 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: Right, right, I think that Yeah, again, very different from 590 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: other sports, right, Like if it's not like basketball and soccer, 591 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: where there is a winning team at the end of 592 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 2: the day, right, like half of the people are going 593 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 2: to be happy, right, Well, in golf, there's really one 594 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: person that's happy. And even though second and third and 595 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: fourth and fifth they're becoming great you know, purses and 596 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: money bags, but they're still not happy because they came 597 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: here to win. And every tournament you're going up against 598 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 2: ninety plus top female golf huge feral right, So when 599 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 2: you look at it, Alexi's record at the end of 600 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: the day. She turned pro when she was sixteen, so yeah, 601 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: her career was really long. But anyone who has double 602 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 2: digit wins at the end of their career, in my opinion, 603 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, you're goaded because it's really which is why it's. 604 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 3: So insane that Nelly Quarter won seven times in one year. Yes, 605 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 3: which is now we're putting it all together exactly how 606 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 3: this works? Okay, stats for the novice interviewer, how can 607 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 3: they look at a golfer's final scorecard and figure out 608 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 3: how they've done, especially since it clearly depends on the course. 609 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: This is where golf gets kind of interesting and intricate. 610 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 2: So what's what's really neat is like, if you actually 611 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: are an avid golf follower, if you download the LPGA app, 612 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 2: you can literally hit every player and you can do 613 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 2: it live. You can see their shots live, and you 614 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: can actually see their legitimate statistics live there, which I 615 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 2: think is actually very interesting if you want to know. So, 616 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: for example, some statistics that you want to know are 617 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 2: like average score. That's that's like the very very basic. 618 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: The the lower your score, the better, And I think 619 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: Nelly had like an average of a sixty nine or low. 620 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: And so for those that are completely brand new to golf. Right, 621 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 2: the average the par of a given golf course on 622 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: average is seventy two. That means that you want if 623 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 2: you want to beat the course, seventy two is a number. 624 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: Well just to average, seventy two is already a stretch. 625 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 2: And Nelly averages a sixty nine, three shots below averaging. 626 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: That means that she had a lot. 627 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 2: Of scores that were like sixty three, sixty four, sixty five. 628 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: That is incredible to be able to get an average 629 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: at that, Like players would die to just have to 630 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 2: score sixty nine's all the time. So that is a 631 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: stat you also want to look at. And then if 632 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: you're really really into it, or maybe you're already a 633 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: golfer that's like wanting to get into it more and 634 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I want to compare my stats, then 635 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: you can look at like the average fair aways hit, 636 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: the average greens hit on average, the LPGA Tour hits 637 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: I think about thirteen greens, so there's eighteen holes. If 638 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: a player averages thirteen greens, that means that they're getting 639 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: it on the dance floor around thirteen times per round. 640 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: I think many people think that, oh, every pro just 641 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 2: hits the green every single time. I won't know they 642 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: miss often, they just know how to recover. So it's 643 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: actually a really interesting interesting thing to compare men's and 644 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: women's stats because women are just far more accurate. They 645 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: may not pound the ball, you know, three hundred and 646 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: fifty four hundred yards like the guys, but the accuracy 647 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: in comparison, I think, if I remember, it's like a 648 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: woman's five iron is comparable to like a man's nine iron, 649 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: which means a five iron is a much longer club, 650 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: it's a much more difficult club to hit, and they're 651 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: able to have the accuracy of a man's nine or 652 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: eight iron. That's pretty crazy. So yeah, saying women are 653 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: pretty cool. 654 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and you can look at something like drive 655 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 3: length and be impressed by it. But somebody could have 656 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 3: the longest drives and not be enough and then have 657 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: many more shots coming down the course that they have 658 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 3: to make up for the fact that their drive one 659 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 3: into the woods or otherwise. 660 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is just personal for me. 661 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: When the average golfer, not a professional, talks about his 662 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 3: or her handicap, what number should I pretend to be 663 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 3: super impressed by single digits. 664 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, absolutely single digits. So remember when I said, like, okay, 665 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: the if a score average is seventy two and someone 666 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: says they're a scratch golfer, that means that they average 667 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: seventy two even with really right, So scratch is good 668 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: For the longest time, I was a scratch player. Now 669 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: I kind of say I'm like a four because and people. 670 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: Take the money. 671 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 3: That's in context of like, obviously, since it's so impressive 672 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 3: that Nelly Quarter is under that, that's a scratch golfer 673 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,239 Speaker 3: for like an average course you'd go out to at 674 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 3: your local club, which is not the same as being 675 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 3: a scratch golfer at professional courses. 676 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: Correct. 677 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 2: Well, actually, if you were to give Nelly a handed handicap, 678 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: so when you actually average underpar, it's kind of like 679 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: a mind twist, you put a plus in front of 680 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: the number. So if I'm you're above, yes, like let's 681 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: say I'm a four handicap, she's probably a naga or sorry, 682 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: a plus like six point something. If you actually were 683 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: to do the numbers, yeah, right, And it's just it's insane, 684 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: like how good the pros are. So basically if you're 685 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: chatting it up and you're going to like a celebrity 686 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: golf event and they're like, oh, I'm a single, I'm 687 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: a single handicapper, or I'm scratch. If they I think 688 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 2: are saying they're under like a six handicap, I think 689 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: that's a pretty strong player. 690 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: And very quickly, very quickly. 691 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: When I'm playing in these events, because I do a 692 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: lot more celebrity events now that I'm doing media, they're like, oh, yeah, 693 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: I'm like a two or three, and I can see 694 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: if I can see the they're swinging their first swing 695 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: on the first hole and I see the result, I'm like. 696 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: Immediately, like your lives, you just know too long, I 697 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: just know. 698 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 699 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: I just tell everyone when I arrive, I don't have 700 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: a handicap. So that's a great start. 701 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 3: How rarely I play, yes, and I'm going to blast 702 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 3: the ball every once in a while, and then I'm 703 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 3: also just gonna just take another ball out of my 704 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 3: bag and drop it wherever we think my ball might 705 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 3: have landed that we can't find. Yeah, Okay, final question 706 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 3: for you, what are some tips to help us be 707 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 3: a better golf viewer? Like, what can we watch for 708 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 3: besides just whether the ball goes into the fair wind 709 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 3: then goes in the hole. 710 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 2: Well, if you want to have just like better education 711 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 2: on it, I do think that whether it's just simply 712 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 2: following your favorite players, Like maybe you don't know much 713 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: about golf, but but you love the idea of Nelly. 714 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: We'll go follow her, go support her. 715 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: I love that. If you want to actually get to 716 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: follow golf, absolutely follow the LPGA Tour and turn on 717 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: your freaking TVs and go tune in. Because the annoying 718 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 2: fight that I'm sure other sports go through too is like, 719 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: oh why invest in women's golf, like the viewership that 720 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: there is no ROI yeah whatever, bs right, Like I 721 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 2: think it's unfair because we never had the platform given. 722 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: Right, you have to give it a chance. You have 723 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: to give it a freaking chance. 724 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, we can say tune in all 725 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: this and whatnot. But then again, like the LPGA isn't 726 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: even given as many cameras as a PGA tour, so 727 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: how are we going to even showcase as many women? Right? 728 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: But the best we could do is tune in when 729 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: the tournament is on, show some love, especially on social media, 730 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: and really just like get that conversation going with other 731 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: influential people around you. I do it all the time. 732 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 2: I'm constantly talking to whether it's investment funds or what 733 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: have you, like, invest in women's golf. Investing women's golf 734 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: and watch the culture change. You have to help girls 735 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: change the culture. It's hard to just count on them 736 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: individually because it is an individual sport. Like, let's give 737 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: them the tools and the confidence so they feel like 738 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: they have a team behind them. 739 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: Well, you're doing that. You're doing that. 740 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 3: Million followers, You're half a million followers and your podcasts, 741 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 3: so everyone go check it out. 742 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. I learned a ton on this, so 743 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on. 744 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: Of course, I'm so happy to be here. Welcome to 745 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: the party with Taisha Allen is an Iheartwoman's sports production 746 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: in partnership with Deep Blue Sports Entertainment. 747 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Tisha Allen. 748 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 2: Christina Everett is our executive producer, and Jennifer Bassett is 749 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: our producer. Sound mixing and mastering by Mary Doo. Special 750 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 2: thanks to Jesse Kassett iHeart, and to Jess McCallister and 751 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: the teams at GERSH and Catalysts nine. Listen to Welcome 752 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 2: to the Party with Tisha Allen on the iHeartRadio app, 753 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.