WEBVTT - Ralph Bauer 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.039 It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:12.240 Claud Harmon. We come to every Wednesday. I figured this week, 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:15.080 with all of the craziness going on in the world 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.640 of golf, in the world of professional golf, and all 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.400 of this talk of the PGA Tour, the PIF and live, 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:22.959 we own Son of a Butch would get back to 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:28.639 helping you improve your game. Ralph Bauer, Canadian teaching pro 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.760 short game putting guru, works on the PGA Tour. He's 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:33.720 worked with a number of different players. He has a 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.640 new Green reading app. You find it in the app store. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:41.600 I think it's fantastic. I helped beta test it and 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:43.680 I'm a huge fan of ralphs. I think he does 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:46.200 really great work. But I'm always trying to find ways 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.800 that all of you listening can get better and improve 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.159 your game. Technology is a huge part of that. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:51.480 Now. 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.080 I think everybody that's got a smartphone iPhone you can 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.640 really use this. We talk about how the app works, 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.680 how he got started with the app, why he came 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:02.920 up with it. But if you want to get better 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.320 at your golf, if you want your scores to improve, 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:10.080 one of the easiest low hanging fruits that you can 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.720 have is to learn how to read greens better. If 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.000 you can read greens better, it will help you put better, 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.800 It'll help your distance control, it'll help your speed control. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:21.839 So I been trying to get Ralph on the pod 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.800 for a couple of months now. Our schedules finally merged 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.920 and I figured with Nick Taylor winning the RBC Canadian 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.080 Open on the PGA Tour, hooped a sixty five footer 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.840 in a dramatic playoff against Tommy Fleetwood, big day for 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.319 Canadian golf. So I figured we'd get Ralph on because 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.200 Nick uses his app. So you will get a lot 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.800 out of this. If you're struggling with green reading, you're 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:46.880 going to want to listen to this one. Sit back 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:54.160 and enjoy listening to Ralph Bauer. So my guest today 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:55.720 is somebody that I've been trying to get on the 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.919 pod for a while. We've been juggling schedules, Ralph Bower, 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.280 Short Game Hutting Guru and Canadian So coming off of 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:09.040 Nick Taylor's historic win, Ralph, I figured you've done some 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:09.840 work with Nick Taylor. 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.000 He uses the product. We're going to talk about your 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.239 tour Red Green app. But just a quick one. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.040 I mean, what a day for Canadian golf, right, I mean, 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:22.440 really since Mike Weir won the Masters in a playoff 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.160 with Tommy Fleetwood he hoops it from sixty five? 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:28.359 Was I sixty five seventy. 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.480 Feet and fourth hole of a playoff hometown, you know, 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:31.720 crowd everything. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.000 I mean, a really special day for Canadian golf. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.880 Yesterday, Yeah, it was. It was amazing. I mean, storybook ending. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.440 First of all, Tommy fleet was super popular up here. 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.000 But you know, Keane has a won in seventy four years. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.000 I mean, Mike Weir his childhood. You know, Idols is 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.200 sitting there having a beer watching the playoff, like you know, 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.799 his buddy's Corey and and Adam were there watching and 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:56.679 it was unbelievable. 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.560 And then in the celebration, I mean, in two thousand 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.640 and eight, Jim Weathers he's worked with Chess Reevey. He 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:04.440 runs out of the green and one of the Canadian 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.320 Mounted policemen, one of the Mounties, knocks him down and 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.480 actually really kind of injured Jim and it really had 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.960 a huge effect on his life. And then you know 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.520 Adam Hadwin's running on the green, you know, yeah, one 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.320 of his fellow tour players Canadian and then Terry Tait 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.639 office linebacker comes around the corner and some security guard 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:22.639 takes him down. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.200 I mean the video, I mean so. 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.639 Many different angles of that video, but I saw one 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.120 today that was kind of white behind Adam's running up 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:31.919 in slow motion, and all of a sudden, this security 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.679 guard like drops that does the swim. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:38.160 Move from the NFL and takes Adam down. I thought. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:43.560 Adam's wife her tweet this morning epitomizes what a Canadian is. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.800 She said, you know, I just want to let everybody 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:47.360 know that Adam's still alive. 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:48.880 And in true Canadian. 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.520 Fashion, he apologized to the security officer for running out 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:52.920 on the green. 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.160 You Canadians are the nicest people on the planet Earth. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.440 Yeah, I appreciate that he actually did apologize, and yeah, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.280 the whole thing was crazy. And you know, the two 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.680 of them, Nick and Adam played like I played the 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.520 same golf club growing up, so you know, for them 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.880 to be you know, I liveing Mike, We're growing up 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.760 and then you know, getting tackled and when it, you know, 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.040 Caane opens on the eighteenth gree to front of Mike. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:16.240 It is unbelievable. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.200 So let's talk about so the Tour Read Green app 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.480 which everybody can get, they can download and everything. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:23.160 Talk to me. 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.719 About We'll talk about the app, but what was the 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.120 impetus in trying to it? Because one of the things 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:30.919 I've had some of the putting gurus on here, I 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:32.600 mean phill Ken, you who I have a tremendous amount 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.240 of respect for, you know, I think he's one of 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.120 the best in the world talking about putting. But I've 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.400 always said Ralph that I think we as instructors have 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:46.240 taught putting in reverse. We teach mechanics first, and then 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.920 we teach speed and green reading, and if I'm honest, 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:51.280 we never. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.040 Really teach speed or green reading, right. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.279 I mean, it's it's something that the average golfer really 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.480 really struggles with. First, before we get into why do 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.400 you think golfers struggles so much with green reading? 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.120 I think the main problem with that, The main thing 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.840 people struggle with it is because they when they miss 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.839 a pott. Let's say they're right hand player, they left 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.560 the right pott, they miss it low, They're gonna blame 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.600 their stroke cutcent the time, so they're not looking at 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.400 the problem the right way, basically saying, hey, chances are 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.760 is a misread right, and then they're learning how the 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.400 green breaks. But we've been conditioned to think, oh, I 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.159 pushed it, I pulled that one, and that's our two options, 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.120 not I underread that, I overread that right. So I 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.560 feel like if we could kind of flip that around 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.000 and get people to think, hey, you know what, it 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.559 was probably an under or overread. You know. I always 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.200 tell people, let's get really good straight putts and then 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.760 get let's get really good at reading greens right. So 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.920 I feel like that's why we tend to not become 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.000 great green readers. 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.800 Do you think also the television plays a role in this, 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.080 because every six or five or someone has for par 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.440 that they miss. The announcers are so conditioned to say, okay, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:06.840 so if it's a left to right, if it's a 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:08.960 left to right putt and the player misses it left, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.800 it's it's just part of I mean, I'm guilty of 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.000 doing it right. I've done TV for Sky Sports in 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:15.880 the UK for a number of years and stuffing. Your 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.520 first reaction is okay, you're not down there right, you're 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.000 watching it on TV. Yes, you kind of have an 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.160 idea even if the en course reporter because okay, it's 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:26.880 a little bit left to right, but as soon as 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.440 he hits it, the announcers will say, he pulled it. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.440 If he missed it to right, he pushed it. Sometimes, 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.000 like you said, it's just a it's it's nothing to 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.800 do with the stroke. It's to do with green reading. 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.080 And I think green reading and lack of green reading, 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:47.120 wouldn't you agree ralph has such a massive effect on 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:51.240 a player's speed and distance control undred percent. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.680 Like if you underread a putt, you always get it 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.320 hard right, And if you overread a putt, you know 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.640 you tend to have soft. So green reading and speed 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:04.080 control all ties in, you know, you know, big time. Right. So, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.400 and I agree that the announcers, you know, tend to 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.680 tend to say, you know, God blessing, they a tough job. 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.240 Do you have to talk, you know, NonStop for quite 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.360 a while, right they it's it's kind of black or white. 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.440 You pushed it, you pulled it right. And there's a 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.920 lot of nuances in putting. But but green readings, uh, 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.920 you know, causes way more myth puts on the PGA tour. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.520 I've got stats, but you know it caused way more 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.280 myth pots than PG Tour obviously from inside eight feet 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:30.760 than a push or a pull. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.040 And I also think that every every now and again, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:38.760 someone on social will will post make percentages on the 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.400 PGA Tour. And I always find that fascinating because most 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.080 of the students that I teach and I work with 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.720 that aren't. You know, tour players aren't competitive golfers. They're 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.280 just recreational golfers. They're just trying to improve their game. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.400 They just want to get better. I think everybody is 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.960 surprised when you actually give them the data of make person. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.760 I mean they look at a player, a PG Tour player, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.040 and he hits it to ten feet on a par three, 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.360 and everybody thinks, oh, yeah, the PJ Tour make percentage 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.040 from ten feet's got to be like eighty ninety percent 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.240 and it's not even close to that. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.600 Yeah, it's crazy. Like the fifty I was playing people, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.600 the fifty fifty it would break even for PG Tour 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:19.280 player is seven ft ten inches. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:20.320 It's seven feet. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.760 You know, it hasn't really changed in decades. And you know, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.720 people think, like, if you took the average play from 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.440 seven ft ten inches, how often is the PJ Tour 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.920 a going to make this and the answers vary from 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:32.640 seventy to ninety percent, right. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:33.720 Oh, without a doubt. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.480 I mean good for people that they're confident enough to 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.080 think they're going to make that higher percentage, right, But 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.200 you know, it's it's shocking how but then again, if 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.640 if you look at that, it's also shocking how many times, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.880 like if you take a tour player, any good player 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.560 in a controlled environment, they're going to start out well 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.040 over ninety percent of their potts online with a proper 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.520 speed where that's seven foot ten foot, you know that 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.840 that eight footer should go in, right. So the difference 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.079 really there is the green reading. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.320 So the idea was to come up with a way 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.240 and use modern technology to come up with, you know, 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.200 a way to read greens. Now I probably say, wouldn't 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.480 you agree? In the last five to seven years, aim 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:22.199 point has been has become part of everyday vernacular with 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:27.000 players of all you know, skill levels, but specifically on 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.480 the PGA's tour we see a lot of players. Adam 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.640 Scott was one of the first early adopters for a 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:38.400 really really good elite player, a global superstar to start 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.080 doing kind of aim point and aim point express, but 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.440 you decided to take that one step further and use 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:49.000 technology to help train. Talk to me about the Tour 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.480 Read Green app and what it is and how you 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.360 think Ralph it can help players get better. I mean, 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.320 you've had some some fantastic success this year, Tom Hogy, 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.720 who's really over the last couple of years, Ralph has 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:05.080 really kind of broken out. And Tom not necessarily a superstar, 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.560 he's certainly not one of the elite bombers on the 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.800 PGA tour, but in using the Green Reading app on 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.360 his phone and through your help, he's really become one 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.960 of the best players in the world. And he's being 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.040 talked about having an opportunity, you know, to get on 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:22.880 this US Ryder Cup team going to Rome. 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.520 Yeah, that's been fun. And you know, Nick Taylor was 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:28.520 one of the first people to use the app. Nick 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.040 Taylor and matc Hugh's were the first two people that 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.720 we baita tested it with and Nick uses it, you 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.160 know every week, right, he loves it helps him with 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.800 his green reads. I've got a lot of tour players 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:41.360 using it. But you know, I'm gonna go back to 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.199 something that that you taught me a few years ago. 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.320 If I can klatte. So you taught me that, Hey, 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.040 you know what you're talking to me about launch monitors 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.319 and you said, Ralph, you got to get every person 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.160 on lunchmar like launch matters are gold with beginners. Like 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.320 really You're like yeah, yeah, Like and you talked about 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.440 your daughter and you know members of the club who 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.319 you know could instantly grasp things. You know, So you're 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:05.000 using technology to help steep in the learning curve, right, 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.160 And that's what we're trying to do do with this 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.080 with this system. So it's it's super easy to use 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.760 in the app store. Basically, what you do you it 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.800 uses the internal clinometer like there's in your phone as 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:19.080 a you know, a three sixty level. You put it 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.120 on the ground, you input the length and the speed 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.400 of the putt, and it tells you where to aim 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.679 it right, And it's crazy how accurate it is. I mean, 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.760 Forestights endorsed it. I mean I've I've had a bunch 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.760 of companies and endorse it. You know, it's in the 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.880 TPI store now it's it's it's awesome, right, So that's 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.480 been fun. And now we've got a whole green reading 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.120 training system built into it. So you can give this 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.400 phone to a beginner or this app to a beginner, 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.800 and they're gonna with the videos, with the training system 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.280 that sets built into it, they're going to know how 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.840 to in a very short order how to read greens, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:57.880 you know, very well in the golf course. So it's 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.880 been a lot of fun for that. Like and then 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.679 you know, you mentioned as an instructor the biggest challenge. 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.440 Somebody comes for a lesson, half hour lesson, an hour 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.640 lesson and they're like, okay, I need to pop better. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.400 So you work on their stroke for the first little bit, 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.160 get their stroke dialed in right, and then with five 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:15.960 minutes left they're like, oh, you know what, I don't 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:17.920 know how to read greens either, right, And you're like 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.840 and then you're like, I mean the old day if 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.440 we would just tell people to trial and there, or 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.720 we talk about water or you know, you know, race 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.280 creek or you know, whatever we think we want we 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.280 want to throw in there. But now we've got to 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:36.880 just crazy easy system to you know, so people can 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:41.240 recognize how how the slope and the speed affects it 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:42.960 and then train that so you can use it on 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:44.160 the golf course. Can awesome. 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.480 I one of the things that I always say to player. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.360 I mean, I think it's a generalization, Ralph, And would 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:55.920 you agree the majority of players, regardless of their level. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.880 I think golfers across the board, in my opinion, can 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:05.480 consistently underread potts. Do we have an understanding as someone 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.440 you know you're in depth in the putting world, do 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.360 you have an idea or an understanding as to why 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:11.840 that is? 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:12.440 Why? 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.920 Because I see it, Ralph, day in and day out, 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.240 at the elite Tour level, at the elite amateur level, 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.600 at the elite junior level, and then for all us 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.120 regular golfers, why do you think we all tend to 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:32.720 underread potts. You've got a fifteen foot pot and most players, 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.080 if it's left to right or right to left, will 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.240 tend to underread the pot. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.000 Yeah, so the elite players, PG tour players and very 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.520 lead players I've tested on a left to right pott 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.680 are going to be able to recognize seventy pen the slope. 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:51.040 So if it's breaking ten inches, theren't think it's seven right. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.120 And on a right to lefter if it's gonna break 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:54.839 ten inches, there and see it as eight and a 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.280 half inches. So they're underreading or left righters by thirty percent, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.160 which is obviously you know a lot rights lefters by 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.200 fifteen percent, which is again kind of crazy. I just 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.400 don't think there's been effective way of training people on greenery. 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.160 It's essentially trial and error, right, Like, probably the most 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.720 effective way up to this right now was going up 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.040 first thing in the morning and putting on dude, you know, 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:17.319 greens with do on them. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.120 So you could see what the putt was doing. Yeah, 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.120 like a shot tracer for putting. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.600 Yeah like, and probably that was the most effective way 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.880 of doing this up till now. But you know, that's 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.200 not for everybody, and it doesn't work for two or 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:33.800 players because they cut the greens by you know, by 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.600 the time I got it there. So that's it's just 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.560 been a real challenge. I know. I can't tell you 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.880 how many times I've been frustrated as a coach, you know, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.760 where I just felt like I couldn't help a player 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.200 really get much better at green Like it was just 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.600 such an archers task, right And I've had coaches say, well, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.040 I've got a system. Takes four years. I've got a system. 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.960 It takes no No, nobody had four years like you know, 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.560 we live in a society like if we can, you know, 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.840 and I've had we can, we can train people. You know, 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.240 it'd be great greeners now under a month. Right, So 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.680 I've got a system. I've got this like eighty five 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.720 plot system. If you go through this, if you had 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.520 eighty five putts with my app, I guarantee you'll be 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:13.600 a much better green rear. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.320 So the player puts the phone down. Okay, So is 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:18.840 there a way I mean, one of the things that 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.800 I do, you know, with all of my lessons is 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.520 I went to home depot. I've got a measuring wheel 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.440 that you can rock, that you can buy, so I 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.960 can know how long a ten foot putt is a 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.560 fifteen foot putt. So most people aren't going to have that. 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.480 So is there a way that the listeners can say, okay, 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.360 with my steps, how can I figure out what five 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.680 feet is with what ten feet is, with what fifteen 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.400 feet is, so that they have an idea of how 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:47.400 far the putt is. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:49.800 Yeah, that's a good one. So what what I normally 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.840 do is I'll take a putter. Most putters are thirty 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:55.360 five inches right, roll it over three times, right, So 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.640 that's going to be your ninth fotter pay set off 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.760 a few times, and then you get good at pacing 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.720 off a nine footer, if you know, and then DA 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.000 looks drapt light out to a twelve or fifteen footer, right, 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.800 So it's pretty easy to do. Takes no time. I 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.640 feel like if somebody, you know, if you want to 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.160 open up the health app in your iPhone, right, it'll 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.240 tell you what your average pace of your length of 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.280 your pace is. Right. That'll give you a good idea too. 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:24.560 For most kind of you know, adults over five seven, 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.680 it's kind of like a brisk walk, right, So it's 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.320 kind of like, hey, I'm late for a meeting. I'm 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.480 going to walk a little faster than normal, and that's 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.680 gonna be about three feet, right, So that takes a 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:38.000 little bit of time. The other challenge is is in 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.360 the you know, because the system will tell you, hey, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.360 this is the twelve inches. Pups can break twelve inches, 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.880 if pups can break six inches, broad can break eighteen inches. 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.400 You know, people don't have a nun of yo's got 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.800 a great idea of what you know eighteen inches looks like. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:52.920 So I always tell people, hey, like let's measure your 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.880 foot and your head, head of your putter. You know, 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.200 you're always gonna have your your golf shoot with you. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:03.160 And so if your shoes afoot and your potter, the 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.440 head of your potter's four inches, you got some good 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.719 guides to kind of go on, so you don't need 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.720 to bring a ruler out there. Like I applied the 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.320 fact you've got a wheel with you. That's a great dee. 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.520 I'm mean to go in tomorrow. I use a yard staff. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.880 But believe it or not, one of the reasons why 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.600 I did that is, I think again, we're so conditioned 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:24.679 as golfers off of television. Right. We watch golf on TV. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:29.600 And when you watch golf on TV, the TV distorts 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.680 your vision. Right when it's really really dark, they can 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.040 turn the irises up, so if somebody's playing and they're 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.000 trying to get it in before darkness on TV, it'll 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.880 look really really bright. But they're always saying on television, hey, 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.119 it's much darker out there. We've just trying to brighten 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.800 it up. But when a player hits it to ten 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:53.240 fifteen feet, that distance on TV is very different than 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:57.159 the distance it looks in person. Right, So the reason 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.439 why I got the measuring wheel, especially with junior golfers 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.040 and high school golfers trying to play. I said, listen, 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.040 I just I'm going to roll this out. You tell 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.119 me how far you think this is. And I have 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:13.240 been really surprised at how people struggle to know what 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.080 a ten footer is, what a fifteen footer is. They 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.320 think the distance is different than what the actual distance is. 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.879 Yeah, one hundred percent. And you know, not to date myself, 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:25.280 but you know, when I grew up, we had to 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:27.720 pace off all of our yardages. So we would start 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.159 the two hundred practice from the two hundred one fifty, 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:32.520 you know, would get good, really really good at it. 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.600 So we had an awareness of it. So so now 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:36.159 you know, if you do want to know what a 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.920 three what a nine footer is compared to a twelve footer, 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.240 it does take five minutes of practice. You know, take 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.679 your putter, your part of thirty five inches, roll it 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.119 over a few times, practice that once in a while 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.040 for a few minutes, and you know you'll be fine. 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.720 If you've got a laser, you could conceivably laser, you know, 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.240 see how far a putt is and then paste it off. 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:57.600 But that seems like overkill. 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.400 Wanted to take a moment and think our partner at 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.040 rap Sodo. If you've been listening to the pod, you 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.360 know that I'm a big fan of their launch monitors, 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.879 and I really like the MLM. 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The membership unlocks combines as well 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:48.800 as session insights, slow motion replay, and video storage up 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:53.199 to ten thousand videos. So again, the promo code is 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:57.159 CH three for fifty dollars off the MLM Launch Monitor 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:03.240 plus the Premium Membership Bundle. Rapisoda is making fantastic products 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.280 I'm a huge fan. Check them out. They can help 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:12.440 you with your game. So the app uses the phones 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.720 internal kind of workings and GPS and everything. And then 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:21.000 so how does the player then start to match the 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.119 speed with the line? 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.959 Yeah, so that's a great question. So what what what 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.240 the The app uses the clinomb like like the the 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.200 the like the clinometer you know in the in the 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:34.960 in the phone you have to put on the ground. 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.680 It gives you the information and then there's a whole 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:40.879 trains that built in there that the next step is 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.280 it'll give you the read like the role. It'll give 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.240 you the like two percent right to left, one percent uphill, 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:49.119 and then you have to guess you know how much 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.119 you're gonna break. Click on the button and it'll give 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:55.240 you the answer. And then the system is based on 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.080 twelve inches past speed. Right. So I've had some tour 0:21:58.080 --> 0:21:59.880 players like, oh I look at it, you know six 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.720 I hit it? You know two feet pass. I've had 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.040 two players I like, hit two f pass. I'm not 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:06.840 going to change the app for you because it's not 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.320 gonna work like hitting two feet pass A great idea 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.639 on a six footter, like I don't think you actually 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:12.840 do that well. 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:15.199 Then then then Brooks kept has got no chance to 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.280 use this because if it's six feet and Brooks isn't 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.960 making it, he's probably got four or five feet coming back. 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.760 Brooks is just a good putter. 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.240 Yeah, But I also think Ralph, it's important for the 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.760 listeners to realize that, I think everybody thinks they're supposed 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:36.960 to be a Ben Crenshaw diet in the hole on 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:40.600 the Last Revolution type putter. So two players that I 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:44.240 work with, Dustin Johnson. DJ is like that. DJ likes 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.439 to see the ball just die in. So if I 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:49.560 was going to make a criticism in AJ, his brother, 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:51.920 his caddy and I always do it. If we were 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:55.560 to criticize DJ from a putting standpoint, DJ tends to 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.680 leave putts short. If I was going to criticize Brooks, 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:03.760 Brooks sometimes is so aggressive that if he's got ten feet, 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.639 he might have five feet coming back if he misses it. 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:10.000 And it's funny they hate playing with each other in 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.760 the Ryder Cup when it's alternate shot because we'll be 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.200 in practice rounds Ralph and at some of the Ryder 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.960 Cups before and DJ will have like a fifteen footer 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.919 and he'll leave it short, and or Brooks will have 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:25.440 a fifteen footer and he'll run it past five feet. 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:28.520 So we were in France and DJ had like fifteen 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.680 feet and he hit one. Or Brooks hit one from 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.119 fifteen feet and ran it like five feet past, and 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:38.399 DJ said, yo, don't be doing that on Friday, and 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:42.560 Brooks said, hey, don't be laving at short when you 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.040 have a chance to make it. So, how do you 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:48.760 think is a good way that everyone listening can figure out? 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.520 What type of But because there's nothing wrong with being 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:57.960 an aggressive putter, right, you can be successful with being 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:01.159 an aggressive putter, and then you can be accessible with 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:05.320 having unbelievable die in the whole speed control. 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.719 Yeah, and those two are obviously, I mean, I mean, 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:12.359 Brooks just want a fifth major, like it's you obviously 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.320 can't criticize that if you're building a player from the 0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:16.760 ground up, though, you'd probably tell them twelve inch past 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.840 speed is a good you know, is a good way? 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:24.359 The safe zone passage, Yeah, you know, because then like it, 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.600 you know, statistically, if we're leaving pots inside ten feet 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:32.720 short very often, I mean, obviously we're though those are 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.240 all missed opportunities to make the put right, and if 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:38.399 a pretty him too hard the cap with that capture speed, 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.000 the hole gets so small that it's it's aggressive, but 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.000 the hole gets so small that it's hard to make 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.560 a lot of them too, right, So twelve inches past 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.080 is it's kind of a nice number. We we did 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.760 a bunch of studies on and that's pretty close to 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:57.159 what you'd want Sebby to do, you know, starting from scratch. 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.320 And then you know, I even dust and sometimes sometimes 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:05.040 I feel like we do get were we see those 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:07.840 one pots that they dying in to win something, and 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.520 you know, and we think that's how they hit hit 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:13.439 them all the time. And I know you've watched Dustin 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.120 play great on Sundays and you know the greens tend 0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.640 to get faster on Sundays, right, And being a die 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:21.480 putter on a Sunday is probably a better idea than 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.520 being a die putter at your club, you know, on 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.800 a Tuesday, right, or or even for for Dustin on 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:30.720 a Thursday, he's got eight foot or up hill, right, 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.879 it's probably gonna be different than than it would be 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.720 on a Sunday. Right. So those guys are great, They've 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:39.399 got so much experience, are great A recognizing it, and 0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:43.320 we have had some good success with players tweaking small 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:47.159 things at that level. Right. But the system really we 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.000 designed kind of like you you mentioned for beginners and 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:52.320 for average people, you know, to get to steep in 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:54.920 the learning curve and uh and and do it that way. 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.160 I have had a bunch of tour players who will 0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:59.560 use it to they'll say, rough, I like to use it. 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:02.960 Andrew Putnam told me this because I just like to 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:04.480 use it because I get I get to speed the 0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.760 greens down much quicker, and I can see the lines. 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:08.800 I know where the break is, and I can see 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.720 the lines on different speeds because every week's different speed. 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:14.879 And it's helped him with with with that. Just I 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:17.480 like the fact that different coaches, different players use it 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:19.840 for different reasons. Right. So that's been been a lot 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.680 of fun having I had so many great coaches who 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:24.840 are using it now and it's been fun to tell 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:26.440 them tell me how how they even using it. 0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:31.640 And you just had two of the universities that that 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:33.560 that have bought in and use your app. We just 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.399 had him on the podcast, J C. Deacon, the head 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.879 coach at the University of Florida. They just won the 0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:41.880 men's National championship former, I mean fellow Canuck just like you. 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:45.800 So obviously, if a Canadian is going to invent something, 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:48.560 you know, from a golf standpoint, I mean J. C. Deacon, 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.000 I mean he doesn't have a choice but to support 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.600 the homeland and use it. And then the women's team 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:59.120 at Wake Forest. So two national championship teams both using 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:04.160 the app. Tell me how that relationship started and what 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:08.080 gains you've seen with those two programs, both on the 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:09.360 men's and the women's side. 0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.320 It's been fun working with some of the colleges. I 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:15.440 was lucky enough to be able to spend a day 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:19.840 with JC kind of going over it, and you know Jac, 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.119 you know, they both won Coach of the Year. Jac 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.560 did a obviously great job. And you know we went 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:29.919 over green reading with Jac, like not just not just 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.439 the app, but like where to stand, Like where did 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.960 best ascertain the slope? Like some people like to straddle 0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:39.439 the line. I find the problem with straddling the line is, 0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:41.720 you know, you might feel the slope one way, but 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.160 you're looking straight down. Anytime we're looking straight down something 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.119 that's gonna look flat, So our eyes are giving us 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.760 a different message and our feed are, you know, as 0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.080 I talked to JC about, because Jac, you have to 0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:54.600 think about he's reading, you know, a lot of the 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:58.440 pots for his team, right like, he's out there reading potts. 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:01.240 Him and Dudley are out there, you know, and Dudley's got, 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.159 you know, obviously tremendous experience and played for Florida, And 0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:06.280 you know, I feel like Jac actually has got a 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.040 bit of advantage we talking about grain because JAC grew 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:12.119 up in a non grainy, you know, part of the world, 0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:14.560 and then has been working in a grainy part of 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:16.280 the world. So he's kind of got got both of 0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:18.560 those and he had to learn how to adapt, whereas 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:20.840 I feel like some people that grow up on grany 0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.840 green that's just their vibe and then they learn how 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.480 to how to do that. But yeah, so j C, 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:28.720 you know, and I learned some stuff from some tricks 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:34.600 from JC about about reading grain too. But Jac, like 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.680 you said, we're Canadian the universe Tannessee coach, you know, 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.600 good friend of mine, Branda Webb. He jumped on board. 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.560 His guys start putting better. Jac's like, well, well, well 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:45.560 we can't have this. I wou't mean my guy's putting 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.000 better right, I'll be honest with the way Forest coach 0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:49.680 ever really reached out to her. We've got like an 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:53.640 online but she's she's one coach here twice. I feel 0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:55.680 like she's in when coach year again with the app 0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:57.840 or without the app. You know, she's just obviously a 0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.440 great coach, you know, with with a great team. She 0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:04.280 signed up for online program, took the online program, and uh, 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:06.760 you know which which is which is cool too? I've 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.520 I think I've got about twenty colleges now who's signed 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.960 up which which has been fun? Like? And that kind 0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:15.560 of goes back to Brooks Dustin thing. If it's kind 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.160 of easier to get a seventeen year old eighteen year olds, 0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.880 you know, to buy into something that's something that's already won. Uh, 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:25.960 you know a lot of stuff you. 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:29.760 Mentioned Grain and that is something that obviously at the 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.680 elite tour level, both on the men's and the women's side, 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.720 plays an enormous role in in putting and speed control 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:41.080 and making pots or missing potts. For everyone listening, Ralph, 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:45.840 what's the easiest way give us the grain for dummies 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:51.320 kind of spiel on on how players listening can say, Okay, 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.200 is there grain? In this pot. What are they should 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:56.640 what should they be looking for? And how is that 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:57.800 going to affect the putt? 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.160 I think I think grain first of all. I think 0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.880 grain effect affects the pot for sure. Right, So if 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.200 if you're looking at the at the color of the green, 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:11.400 you know, if you're in Bermuda greens. Uh So, if 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.360 you're you know, anywhere south of Tennessee and the United States, 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.800 you know in the summertime, you're gonna be on Bermuda greens. 0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.920 You're gonna look for the color of the green. If 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.800 the green seems darker, it's gonna be into you. If 0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:28.720 it's lighter, it's gonna be down grain. Right. And JC 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.680 did a good job of showing me where he reads 0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:36.000 grain from. So he reads grain from above the like 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:40.360 in between the ball and the hole. Yeah, you know, 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:42.720 looking down at it so you can see he feels 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:44.560 like he can see the color better that way. And 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.360 I've been doing that actually makes a lot of sense. 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.760 So you know, you look at the grain on a 0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:53.920 on the testing I've I've done on a ten foot pot, 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.680 if you're a cross grain, it's gonna about add about 0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:00.600 another inch to your putt. Right, So that if you say, like, hey, 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:02.720 do you want to real a quick rule of thumb? Yeah, 0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:04.560 you know, you know what I don't like. I don't 0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.040 like when people say, oh, it's cross grain, I need 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.440 to add a little bit more. Our brain doesn't really 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.000 work that way, Like you know, our brain wants an 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:15.680 actual target to hit to right. So if it's cross grain, 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.320 another inch for every ten feet, if you got a 0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:20.280 thirty foot air its can go three inches right. It's 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.600 got twenty first three two inches. So that's kind of 0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.360 an easy way of doing it. Quick sales pitch on 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.520 the app. The app gives you like normalized data, so 0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:29.720 it tells exactly what you can do without the grain. 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.800 But if it breaks more than that, that's how much 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:34.040 the grain effect of it. 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.760 So again I think a lot of people don't understand 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.040 or aren't really kind of you know, thinking about it. 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.800 If it's down grain, it's going to be faster if 0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:45.720 it's into the grain. So it's a little bit like 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:47.920 a carpet. So if you brush the carpet one way, 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.520 it's going to look shiny, and if you rub it 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:51.959 the other way, it's going to look duller. 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:54.920 Yeah, you just debscribed it better than I did, so 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:59.040 let's go with the carpet analogy. For sure. I'm gonna 0:31:59.120 --> 0:31:59.760 use that one too. 0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:03.440 Hey, you know these aren't free, So I mean, I've 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:05.520 got venmo if you want me to keep doing this 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:09.600 speed control. I mean, there are a lot of things 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:13.240 in golf that I think people don't practice because it's boring, right, 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.440 And it's easier to go If you go out and 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.200 you have thirty five potts and you have a bunch 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:20.800 of three pots, it's easier to go try and work 0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:24.160 mechanics from five feet than it is to go putt 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:28.920 one ball and put thirty footers, twenty footers, fifteen footers, 0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:36.640 all that in my instruction, Ralph, I think stroke mechanics 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:40.120 are always the control. All delete right, you have a 0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:45.920 putting day, it's got to be stroke mechanics, distance control. 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.040 What are some ways that everybody listening can get better, 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:54.120 even if they're green. Reading is a work in progress. 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.840 But what are some drills and some things that you've 0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.800 come up with that will help players with speed and 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:02.120 with distance control? 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:04.719 So I'm glad you asked that. So you know what, 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.800 when we built the app, my initial idea was to 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:10.680 do the get you know, put the phone down, get 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:12.520 all the physics and then find out where the ball 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:14.800 is going to enter the hole. Right, So if we've 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.800 got a fifteen footer, we want to know the break, 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:19.880 but then we have to we need to speed right, 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:22.320 So the line's useless without the proper speed, so we 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.360 have to match line speed. So if we could think 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.200 certain thinks about where the ball is going to enter 0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.600 the hole, So that should be our last thought. You know, 0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:31.680 before we step into the pot, we know where it 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.600 started and we know where it's going to enter the hole. 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.400 So if you've got a right to left here, you're thinking, okay, 0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:40.680 it can enter six thirty seven o'clock, seven thirty eight o'clock, 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.480 so you know, eight o'clock be pretty severe breaking pot. 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:47.560 You know, six thirty be you know, very very minimal break. Right, 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.640 And if we could think more about how the balls 0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.600 entering the hole, our speed control will get better, right 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.400 because it now if we're thinking about where it's entering 0:33:56.440 --> 0:34:00.480 the hole, we're visualizing it, you know, entering there, and 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.920 you know, then then our body is gonna you know, know, 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.280 how hard to hit it based on what our brain 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.120 is seeing before we before we hit it. Like, I know, 0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:09.839 there's speed drills that all hit a ten foliot plot 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:11.600 at fifteen foot putt of twenty foot plot hit a 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.000 thirty foot But I don't find those super helpful. I 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:17.120 find it way more helpful to get people to see, 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.160 like whenever somebody plays well. And Nick Taylor said it 0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:23.520 the other said in his interview, he said, you know, 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:26.120 I saw some putts going. You're always talking about, you know, 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:31.279 seeing things right, So like you always hear whatever good 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:34.800 player puts, well, it's because they're seeing seeing the line, 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:38.279 seeing the speed, seeing the ball into the hole, you know. 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.799 And and if that's what we're doing when we're putting, well, 0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:42.080 why don't we just do that all the time. 0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.600 Yeah, I mean it's interesting that you mentioned that that 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:50.160 I think golfers are visual. Maybe about ten years ago, 0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.120 I think the TPI guys were the first ones to 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:55.279 kind of talk about linear versus non linear putters, right, 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.160 people that see straight lines and then people that see 0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:01.239 curve lines. Right, people that see the curving into the holes. 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.640 When they stand behind a twenty footer that's breaking left 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.839 to right, they kind of see this curve in this arc. 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.880 Those would be nonlinear, and then linear putters would be Okay, 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.880 I see a straight line to where the putt is 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:19.000 going to break. Do you see a correlation between one 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:23.160 of those in terms of how would you have a 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.360 person identify that, like if they are like okay, because 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:27.960 I asked that question and I hear a lot of 0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.840 players say to me, listen, I don't see you know, 0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:35.200 Ben Crenshaw, Brad Faxon, they see curve right. I would 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:39.440 imagine Cam Smith is more visual, kind of like an artist. 0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:42.080 Cam is doing a lot of what I would think 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.600 that you were talking about. He's seeing the ball go 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:48.040 in in a specific way. And then there are other 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.240 putters that say, listen, okay, I know this thing breaks 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:52.359 left to right. I know this thing breaks right to left. 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.279 I'm just gonna put it straight to that spot and 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.560 then let gravity take over. 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.200 Yeah. And I find it's pretty easy to tell what 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.399 they are if they're linear and not linear by by 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.720 what they're aiming at right. So they're saying I'm aiming 0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:10.240 twelve inches out to the right, then guess what they're linear. 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.120 Like Zach Johnson, I don't understand every punch straight pot. 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:15.359 You just have to pick a spot right or left 0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:16.440 and hit it. I don't know what you keep are 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.920 talking about curve lines everything straight. I'm like, well, okay, 0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:21.880 well guess what, you're linear. That's great, you know, and 0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.640 you know, keep keep doing that. You can't, I find 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.000 you can't turn one into the other, like you can't 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:32.080 turn uh, you know, an artist into a scientist and 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:35.719 vice vice versa. Right, So I feel like, you know, 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:40.919 it's different things for different people. The non linear people though, 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.279 they're still a new idea where it's started right, and 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:48.600 you know, getting a you know, a better visual for 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.919 them is going to be important. They did a great 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.040 job to talk about linear not linear, because it's important 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:56.399 because you can legit put people and there's not really 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:58.279 people that are in the middle. But I do think 0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.920 if we could pick a spot, okay, twelve inches outside 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.799 right edge, and then even if you're linear, you can 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:05.479 still think about where that ball is can be entering 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:07.440 the hole, because that's gonna be how you have to 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.560 match up match the speed to that. 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:16.640 Line touch and speed control. And one of the things 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:18.960 that I do with a lot of players is I 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.600 take the hole out right the actual ball going in 0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:25.120 the hole, So we'll go putt to an old hole 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:29.640 right that we can see. And I've found that that's 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:35.400 a really interesting way to have players see how the 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.000 ball is going, what the speed is going to be 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:42.239 with the ball after it would go through where the 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.600 hole is. Right, so you're putting to an old hole. 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:46.759 Let's say you've got a right to left putt from 0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:50.160 ten to fifteen feet, So the ball can't actually go 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:51.960 in the hole because there's no hole in the ground, 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.520 but you can still see where the old hole is 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.600 you're putting too that if it rolls into the middle 0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.279 of that on a right to left putt, you would 0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:02.239 have made that, but then you can see how the 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:05.520 pott is going to roll out after that. Do you 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:09.319 think that that's a beneficial way for people to have 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:13.200 an understanding as to what their speed is. 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.320 Yeah, one hundred percent. That's a great drill, and you 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:19.080 know a good part. 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:21.319 Of Venmo Another Venmo. Come on, just these are. 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.600 No this is great. So uh because I've used the 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:29.919 fake Okay, so this is dumb. I've used a fake hole. 0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.279 No, no, the fake But not everybody has a fake hole, right, 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:36.319 I mean on tour everybody has. Everybody has one with 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.239 their manufacturer's logo on it. If you're a titleist guy, 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:41.480 you've got the titleist one. If you're a tailor made guy, 0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:44.640 if you're a cobra whatever. That's my point. Not everybody 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.560 has a plastic disc that they're given out on tour, right, 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:51.080 you could go buy those, but you know players have too. Yeah. 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:55.279 So Ben Creunchall told me once that if your ball 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.480 always has the right speed, how far away from the 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:03.239 hole is it ever going to be? I found that 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:08.239 a fascinating statement because obviously Ben very much nonlinear. Yeah, 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:12.759 I mean he's an artist, right. Do you think that 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:19.000 players obsess about the read and then at times can 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.279 fall in love so much with the line that they 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:24.520 just forget to hit it. I mean, you've got a 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:27.799 fifteen footer, it's breaking right to left, You've got the 0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:31.799 perfect read, and you leave it to roll short and 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:33.960 you're like, you got the read part right, but the 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:35.399 ball never got to the hole. 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.440 It's funny whenever you fall in love with the line 0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:41.080 and hit the wrong speed, you always had the right line. 0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:43.400 You do, it's the right line, but you're so happy 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:45.279 with that that you got to figure it out. You 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.799 completely forget to forget the distance part. Yeah. Absolutely, it 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:52.640 happens to everybody. But if we could think about worth 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:57.680 entering the hole as our last thoughts. That's gonna nullify that. 0:39:57.719 --> 0:39:59.799 Like if you see somebody had a terrible put for 0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:02.239 me feet, there's no way they were thinking about where 0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:04.439 that ball is entering the hole. They were thinking about 0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:09.640 the line. They were thinking about stroke mechanics. Stroke mechanics. Good, yeah, 0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:12.440 really good one. You know, maybe they alter their pre 0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:14.719 shot and it's making them feel uncomfortable and they're still 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:17.040 thinking about Hell un comfortable are from the pre shot routine, 0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:21.319 you know, But you're right. So if we could visualize 0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.880 I'm really big too. My favorite thing to do with 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:27.960 players is to visual have them visualize the pot at 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:30.040 some point their routine. It's gonna be different for everybody, 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:32.160 but it's going to be have them visualized the pot 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:35.040 in real time. So if they can, if they could, 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.319 maybe it's behind the ball and you know, when when 0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:40.200 they're bending down looking at it, but if they could 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:44.560 visualize the pot in real time from where the ball 0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:48.399 is to the hole, you know, it slows down as 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:50.799 enters a hole and then let's say dust and would 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.279 see it just toppling over, you know, and Brooks would 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.479 see it, you know, hammering into the back way. Great 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.520 they're still gonna have their desired speed. But if we 0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:02.439 could visualize it, and not everybody can, but if you can, great, 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.239 And if you can't, just walk your eyes along that 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:09.359 path in real time. And I've taken stop watches, I'm like, okay, 0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:12.520 this potts can take three seconds, we'll hit it. Okay, 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:14.960 I stopped time to three seconds. Now take three seconds 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.120 to visualize this pot Like, oh okay, that's real time right, 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:22.440 So that's super helpful for speed. I think the visualizing 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.920 in real time and the entry point of where it's 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.200 getting in to the hole are huge to match up 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:27.960 the line of speed. 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.840 What are some drills? Give me a couple of drills 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.560 for speed that you think are really really helpful. 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:38.759 Here's here's kind of a tough one. This would be 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:42.359 like an elite player one. But get get a chalk 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:47.319 line or a string, find out where the uh the 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.319 perfect spots hit it from. Let's say you got an 0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.880 eight footer, you hit the pot goes right in the middle, 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.960 then go up a foot from seven feet, you know, 0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:58.760 dye that one in and then go back a foot 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:01.640 on the same line and hit it harder. And they 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:03.360 have to hit that one firmer so it kind of 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.960 be to use your analogy, like the eight footer would 0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:08.680 be a normal putt, you know, the seven footer would 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:11.400 be DJ speed, and the nine foot would be more 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.319 brooks of speed. So that's kind of a good way 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:16.080 to get players thinking about speed because you're using the 0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:19.759 same line. So you're not just I'm not I don't 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:24.120 think mindless speed drills. We're just hitting twenty twenty five, 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:27.000 thirty thirty forty five, you know, just like like a 0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.640 ladder drill tends to work. I think we need to 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.799 visualize it more because because that's going to carry over 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:37.600 into any situation where the ladder type drills I find, 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.440 you know don't don't you know have less carryover for sure. 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:43.760 In your opinion, Name me some of the great green 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:48.680 readers that you've seen and been exposed to in your 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:50.959 work on on the PGA tour. 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:57.719 I mean it's hard to quantify that for sure. I 0:42:57.800 --> 0:42:59.560 can I can tell you a couple of my guys 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:04.080 that are great green readers, right, But. 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.600 Because they're using the app, right, I mean it helps. 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:08.560 I mean Adam Hadwarms a great I feel like Adam 0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:12.839 Hadams a great Green reader. But we've done a lot, 0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:15.200 Like we shouldn't say a lot of work. I just 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.279 very early on the relationship. I just got to start 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:21.359 visualizing in real time, right, and that's super helpful. Right, 0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:26.560 there's a there's definitely some good Green Readers, but I 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.000 feel like it's it's something that can come and go, 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:32.480 and they might be great at certain courses where they've 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:34.880 got a great feel for that course and it and 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:40.680 it doesn't translate well into into different courses. That's a 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:48.239 good question. Brooks is good. I'm sorry, I mean, I mean, 0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:50.839 I'm sorry. He's good. Obviously, Bryson's good. 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:56.440 Yeah, Bryson's good because Bryson actually will go and spend 0:43:57.080 --> 0:44:01.760 hours upon hours upon hours on trying to pick apart 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:03.600 every part of his game. He does it with his 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.080 short game, he does it with his long game, he 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.080 does it with his driving, and then he does it 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:09.960 with his pudding. I mean, he's got the launch monitor 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:14.480 out there putting to no hole trying to figure out 0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.440 how forward to hit everything. 0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:21.080 Yeah, if you look at I feel like, if if 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:25.560 you look at somebody like Maverick McNeely is obviously very good, 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:30.400 very good Green Reader. I feel like it's one of 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.600 those things too, where if you put more effort into 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:36.200 reading green, like into training your green reading, you're gonna 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.839 get better at it, right. And I feel like some 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:40.960 people just throw their hands and say, oh no, it's 0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:43.640 just feel, you know. And when somebody tells me, oh, 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.440 it's just feel, you know, in my head, I'm thinking, oh, 0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:50.239 you're kind of lazy, right, Like, Like you know, let's 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.480 say you talk about like Dustin, like he's got his 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.400 tear drop out there and he's putting along the lines 0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:59.520 and and that's training your green reading too, right because 0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:03.320 he seeing you putting in different spots, different different days 0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:05.839 like that, that's you know that that's working. You see 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.520 a big difference. You don't go to many smaller PG 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:10.800 tour events. You see a big difference from the elite 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:15.759 players preparation to the average PG tour players preparation. Right, 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:20.200 so you know it's like anything else, we prepare better, 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.400 we were gonna play better. And you know, if I 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.440 can make a quick pitch on my phone from my 0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:28.960 from my app, rather go for it. I've got this 0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:32.920 this cool little seventy five pot drill they can spread 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:36.480 out over you know, one, two, three, four sessions that legit, 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:40.279 everybody gets much better reading greens from and then I 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:44.040 would think too, it's funner if if we're playing golf 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.239 and every pot we hit we don't go down a 0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:48.239 rabbit hole I pushed or pulled it. I'm gonna change 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.640 my stroke because you if you missed two left and 0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:53.399 you automatically think you pulled it, well, now you're you're 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:55.440 gonna be on the third green taking a bunch of 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:58.400 practice strokes over the flag stick, trying to fix your 0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.360 stroke when and now you're probably gonna push the next 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:03.200 one and the only way it's going to go in 0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:07.080 is if it's a you know, a right to left 0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:08.880 her and you underret, you know, you under red and 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:10.360 you push and it went in. Then you think you 0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:12.319 fix your stroke. That's why I feel like people don't 0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:14.520 get better better, like people get better at everything else, 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:17.480 Like people get much better at driving the golf ball, 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.080 people get much better at hitting bunker shots. You know, 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:25.560 the slowest skill to acchoire and golf by far up 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:27.120 till now has been green reading. 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:33.000 Yeah, and it's it's it is this skill, and I 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.880 think a lot of people think that. I mean, there's 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:42.040 I teach Marina Alex on the Ladies Tour and she played. 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.640 She had a chance to win a tournament early last year, 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:47.080 she was in the final group she played with Leona Maguire, 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:50.160 didn't get it done. Leona basically putted her off the 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:52.680 golf course and she said to me afterwards, she's like, listen, 0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:55.360 I've been on tour for ten fifteen years now. She's like, 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:57.960 I have never seen anybody be able to read greens 0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:00.720 like that. So I think what every but he thinks 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:05.200 is it's a skill that's instinctive that you were born with. 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.359 And I think the cool thing about the app that 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:10.520 you've created is you're like, Okay, if you weren't blessed 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:16.600 with just instinctive, incredible green reading skills, there is a 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:19.360 way to practice it. And I think it's interesting that 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:22.360 you've You've said that you listen and I've seen it, 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.560 and I've seen players get better drive in the golf ball, 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:28.560 have their iron game, have their short game improve. But historically, 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:35.920 you know, green reading has been probably the least trained 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:40.040 worked on thing possible, and I think it was a 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:43.160 lot of I mean, obviously, Ralph, if you're not good 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:46.680 at something and you don't have any positive feedback from 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.040 it as a player, you're not going to do it 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:51.560 right if you if you're bad at reading greens and 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:53.680 you go over and you say to it yourself, okay. 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:55.880 And that's why I think it's so important and why 0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:57.680 you know, you and I have been talking for you know, 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.480 two or three months now to get you on not 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:03.160 only to pitch the app, but also you and I 0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:05.840 are in the same business, right. We want golfers to 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:09.640 get better, right, we want golfers to improve, and it's 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:13.880 so frustrating fun, Yeah, it's so frustrating to see players 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:19.600 consistently struggle. So I think historically people don't practice green 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:21.560 reading because I don't think they have any idea what 0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:24.520 the hell they're supposed to be doing to read greens. Anyway, 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:27.600 They plumb bob it, they do the line stuff. And again, 0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:31.400 I think golfers, a lot of golfers listening just do 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.480 what they see elite tour players do on television and 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:37.880 it works for them. But if it doesn't work for 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:40.560 you on Saturday afternoon when you're out there, it's not 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:42.680 like you're going to go practice that some more. You're 0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:45.080 just gonna go, Okay, I'm gonna go worry about the stuff. 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:45.839 I'm good at right. 0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:48.719 Yeah, yeah, you know, we like to practice or we're 0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:53.320 good at it. Like I said, there's just a super 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:56.160 easy way to practice your green reading. If you think 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:58.920 about getting if you think about lowering your score, like 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:00.840 if we want to hit it further, like do we 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:02.560 really want to wake up earlier and go to yoga? 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:05.080 You know, do do we really want to you know, 0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.120 like yeah, yeah, it's better, but wow, you can get 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:09.200 better at reading greens. You can knock you know, we've 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:12.040 done studies and like people can knock off you know, 0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:16.480 lots of strokes in a hurry, like like the average 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:19.560 PG tour player I've worked with, you know, has picked 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.359 up point five strokes that gained with his putting right, 0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:24.720 which means. 0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:27.920 A lot, which is massive massive. 0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:31.799 I mean, yes, it's it's big. And also I mean 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:34.480 statistically they'll you know, driving the ball is better, you know, 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.920 it's more important rather than putting. But you know, you 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:38.920 don't see people higher. You don't see people you know, 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.760 fifth pumping after drive very often right there, they're typically 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:44.239 fifth pumping after after a plot. And you know, I 0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:46.319 still want to do to study. I haven't done you Unfortunately, 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:48.719 if you make a seven foot ten inch pot. How 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:50.520 do you think you hit your drive on a pole 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:52.680 compared to if you miss that seven foot ten? In sure, 0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:55.239 you've watched a lot of golf, you know, aren't people 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:57.920 in a better mood? Aren't they more confident, you know, 0:49:58.080 --> 0:49:59.919 when they after they made a put rather when they missed. 0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:04.480 I mean absolutely, I mean for sure, and I do 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.640 think you know, it's the same thing, like it dovetails. Right, 0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:11.680 if if you drive it pretty good, your iron game 0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:16.040 gets better, right Like, even if your distance doesn't improve 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:18.120 off the tee, right, even if you don't drive it 0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:20.839 three hundred yards off the tee, but if you hit 0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:24.879 the ball in the fairway, your iron game is going 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:27.439 to get better because your confidence is going up. Because 0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:29.840 you're hitting the ball from the middle of the fairway, 0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:31.880 You've got a much better chance to have a flat 0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:34.319 lie from the from the fairway than you do if 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:36.200 you're over in the trees, if you're over in the 0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:38.359 rough and all of that. I think that you're right. 0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:40.759 That is, if you hold more, if you hold a 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.160 seven foot for bar, you're dying to get to the 0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:44.520 next tee to go put it in the ground and 0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:45.080 hit a drive. 0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:48.000 Right. Yeah, you know, when you're pinting, Well, you just 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:50.319 can't wait to get to the next green, right, So 0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.600 you're like, okay, let's get this ball in the greens. 0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.920 Here's strokes as possible. I want a chance at Birdier, 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:59.360 you know, so it's super important. I think it's funner. 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:01.480 I think I think if if there are so many 0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:03.959 people could take out of this. Though, from my point 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:07.239 would be like, hey, like, like, if you miss a putt, 0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:11.319 let's assume it was a misread, right, because then you're 0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:13.600 working on green reads something you can And by the way, 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:15.480 if I feel like if you misread a putt, it's 0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:16.880 not going to hurt your confidence. If you think you 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:18.680 pulled it, what do you do in the next hole? 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:22.399 You intentionally push it? Like that's that's a real challenge 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:24.319 when people come to be like hey, Ralph, I feel 0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:27.000 like I'm pulling every fifth putt, Like, well, we can't 0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:29.839 start pushing them otherwise you're going to be missing four 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:32.520 of them right instead of one of them left. Right. 0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:35.520 So it's just an easy way for people to get 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:37.560 better at any level. And it's been a lot of 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:39.640 fun for sure. 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:47.360 Different speeds of greens, right, I mean, obviously the greens 0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:49.920 I'm at the US Open this week. The green speeds 0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:54.440 at the US Open historically versus what the majority of 0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:56.880 golfers playing golf all over the world or going to 0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:58.600 putt on, are going to be vastly different. 0:51:58.719 --> 0:51:58.839 Right. 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:02.560 The greens that August National during the Masters are going 0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:06.240 to be a speed at which the average golfer will 0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:08.920 never put on greens like that. So when you are 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:12.600 a player, and you're a recreational golfer, right, and you're 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:18.160 just going from course to course, right, And how can 0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:24.120 players adjust to slow greens? Some days? Because I mean, 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.680 there's a girl that I teach that's a very good player, 0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:30.520 and she, you know, she's a member at a country 0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:32.399 club where the greens are always great. When she comes 0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:35.200 up to my place, the greens are running eleven twelve. 0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:43.160 All the courses that she practices on are tour caliber greens, right. 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.800 And then she goes and plays in junior golf tournaments 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:49.160 and amateur golf tournaments and the greens are flat and 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:52.799 they're running at nine and they're not good. So how 0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:58.120 can players adjust to speed of the greens because it's 0:52:58.160 --> 0:52:59.240 never going to be the same. 0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:02.279 Yeah, that's a good way of doing it. Most people 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.319 are pretty comfort for saying it. Most people are pretty 0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:06.760 comfortable with what they see on TV. They're used to watching. 0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:09.440 You know, the PG tour. PG tour average about eleven. 0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:15.560 You know stim stems about eleven. Uh, you know your place, 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:20.000 let's say eleven twelve. The average let's say golf course, 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:23.560 like municipal golf course, probably around nine. Right, So if 0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:27.160 you think about we use ten as kind of a base, 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:30.799 because ten would probably be a decent average for most 0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:35.480 golf courses. If you're on slow greens, nine, nine are 0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:39.239 gonna break ten percent less than ten. Right. If you're 0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:43.000 in eleven, they're gonna break ten percent more than than ten. Right. 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:45.520 If you're on twelve, it's gonna break twenty more than ten. 0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:47.719 So I feel like if you could have get comfortble 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:51.560 whatever speed you're used to. Let's say she's used to eleven, 0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:54.479 that's great. If she goes to a nine, she doesn't 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:56.879 have to take twenty percent break off her putts, which 0:53:56.920 --> 0:53:59.160 is gonna seem unusual, but that's gonna be the way 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:02.319 to go. If I can throw a quick analogy about that, 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:07.520 I had a player was playing I think in New Orleans, 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:10.560 and it rained a lot Wednesday night, Right, so Thursday morning, 0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:13.320 the other golf course, you know, greens were way slower, 0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:15.759 and they'd practiced the whole time. You know, they were 0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:19.160 missing their their punch high, right, So they threw the 0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:22.720 app down with the new green speed, got there, started 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:26.239 getting you know, adjusted to the to the new green speeds, right, 0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:28.360 and then they came in twelfth to thirteenth, had a 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:30.360 good putting week. Couldn't have been to Orleans because it 0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:32.239 wasn't a partner one but one of those ones in 0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:34.520 the South where it can rain a decent amount. So 0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:38.480 green speed's important. It does affect it. And it's nice 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:40.719 to have a baseline from your home club though, to 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:43.839 go work off one way the. 0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:48.200 All right, So tell everybody how much it costs and 0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:49.399 where they can get the app. 0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:53.160 Okay, I appreciate that. So the app is one hundred 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:56.640 dollars a year. It's a subscription model. What we've it's 0:54:56.640 --> 0:55:00.080 in the app store. It's it's doing really well. What 0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:04.319 what we're putting, uh, you know, videos into it. I've 0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:06.560 coached on the PGA Tour. I first met you, I 0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:08.360 think seventeen years ago out there. We've been doing this 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:10.399 for a while. So I've coached on the PGA Tour 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:13.840 for seventeen years. So what I'm doing with the videos 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:16.600 and stuff too, is trying to make it a turnkey 0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:18.960 system to teach people how to put as well, you know, 0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:22.239 because mechanics. Mechanics are important, right, So we're gonna talk 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:25.080 about ball. There'll be videos on ball, position, videos on 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:28.880 you know. I've got some cool drills that you know, 0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:32.080 basically work for everybody. I'm gonna have about forty videos 0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:36.440 in there, and you know it, it's got an amazing 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:38.359 way to train our green reading. 0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:38.560 Right. 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:41.400 So it's one hundred dollars a year. It's it's in 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:44.279 the app store, and it's gonna teach out to putt 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:47.120 teach how to read greens. I'm, you know, obviously super 0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:50.200 excited about it. This has basically been my life's work, right, 0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:52.400 I've I've been a putting coach you know for the 0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:55.520 last seventeen years and PGA Tour. I'm trying to take 0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:58.759 everything I've learned in that time, you know, and and 0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:00.480 and put it in this app. 0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:03.960 And for everybody that says, oh wow, one hundred dollars 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.320 a year, that's a lot of money. But if you 0:56:06.440 --> 0:56:09.040 think about how many golf balls. You lose a year 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:11.680 if you're a fifteen to twenty handicapper. No, but seriously, 0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:14.120 if you think about how much you're spending on lose 0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:17.719 on golf balls because you're losing them and you want 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:20.520 your scores to improve. I mean the amount of people 0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:23.799 that you know are spending on money on a new driver. Hey, 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:25.640 I'm not driving it good, Let me go drive get 0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:27.879 a new driver. Hey, I'm not putting it putting it good, 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.120 I'm gonna go buy a new putter. Right, My iron 0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:32.000 game's bad, I'm gonna get all new irons. My bunker 0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:33.880 games bad. I'm gonna get a new wedge, right. So 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:38.400 to me to help you learn a skill, right, that 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:42.600 is really from a golf standpoint, you know, green reading 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:44.800 is a life lesson, right, it is a life lesson 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:48.000 that it is something that you can learn that will 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:51.840 help you throughout the course of your golfing career. And 0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:55.000 you know I've tried it. You know, my guys out 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:57.839 of Dubai, at my academy in Dubai, I mean, Ralph, 0:56:57.880 --> 0:56:59.319 they love it. I mean we're having all of our 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:02.160 juniors do and one of the things that we've started 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:08.040 to do is we use the app, and we we 0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:14.120 have the player read the putt first okay, and say okay, one, 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:16.640 how far is this distance? Okay? 0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:17.600 Right? 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:21.880 Two? What do you think the break, the speed and 0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:23.520 all that is going to be? And then what we 0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:26.360 do is we put the phone down, put the app down, 0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:29.800 and we don't even putt right. We don't do any putting. 0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:33.240 We just go around to various holes of various distances, 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:36.160 because I think that's really really powerful to get people 0:57:36.680 --> 0:57:39.040 to if you are going to learn how to read greens, 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:43.280 part of that is not putting right. Part of that 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:48.040 is not not actually doing the task I actually want 0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:51.360 to see. Okay, is this Do you know that this 0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:53.360 is left to right or right to left? Do you 0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:56.080 know that this is uphill and downhill? I always say 0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.320 Ralph to players. I think it's important when you get 0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:03.040 to a putt, before you mark it, ask yourself two questions. 0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:05.880 Is it uphill or downhill? Is it left to right 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.080 or is it right to left? And get that initial 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:14.480 first read. Then go gather the data. Go gather the information, 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:18.480 and hopefully it's going to be downhill if you thought 0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:20.680 it was downhill, and hopefully it's going to be right 0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:23.160 to left if it's right to left. And I think 0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:26.120 if the other thing that I think that helps players 0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:28.960 do Ralph is it helps him build trust. Now, if 0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:30.960 you think it's uphill and it's left to right, and 0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:33.640 it's downhill and it's right to left, and that is 0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:36.880 something that's consistent. Right, every time it's downhill, you think 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:39.200 it's uphill, and every time it's left to right it's 0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:42.720 actually right to left. That's a completely different conversation, but 0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:45.440 I do think similar to what you were talking about, 0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:50.920 get that initial first read, then see if you're right, 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:55.360 and then use the app to go Okay, yeah, I'm 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:57.800 actually not that bad of a green reader. I thought 0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:00.760 this was downhill. It's downhill. I thought it was left 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:03.760 to right. It's left to right. And then you start 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:06.920 to build that kind of trust with yourself as a player, 0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:10.800 and then we can use through your app, we can 0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:14.080 use technology to go okay, yeah you were right. Now 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:17.960 let's get into the real minute details of how much 0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:22.000 it's downhill, how much it's breaking, and all of those things. 0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:24.360 And I just think it's been such an easy way 0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:27.680 in using your app to to help so many golfers 0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:30.120 of all different levels to just have them go oh 0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:33.440 wait a minute, I can become a better green reader 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:37.040 and hey, I'm actually not that bad of a green reader. 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:40.520 Yeah, yeah, it's fun and take the frustration up because 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:42.480 app to now people are like, yeah, they miss the pot. 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:43.960 They don't know if they miss hit and misread it, 0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:48.000 you know. So it's yeah, it's it's super helpful for 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:49.560 every person that I've tried it with. 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:53.800 Well, I want to I want you to privately send 0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:56.280 me how many total downloads you've had, and if the 0:59:56.400 --> 0:59:59.400 number goes up, we're gonna have to talk. Ralph, We're 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.960 gonna have to talk. But no, honestly, everybody listening, I 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.200 think you've come up with something that is so unbelievably 1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:08.720 simple because everybody has a smartphone. Now, does it work 1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:11.920 with both with all different types of phone? Samsung, Android? Apple? 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:12.320 No? 1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:16.000 No, right now, right now, it's iPhone only. We're in 1:00:16.120 --> 1:00:18.560 the process of I know, I know, I know, we're 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:19.600 the problem is. 1:00:21.200 --> 1:00:24.360 I mean, like Steve, I mean such a Steve Jobs guy. 1:00:24.480 --> 1:00:28.920 Come on, man, Well, we've tested like the iPhone clinomors 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.120 are great, and we're going through the process of testing 1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:34.520 the clinofers to the phone. But before I leave Claude. 1:00:34.720 --> 1:00:40.160 I will say, you know, with all respect, it's it's 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:42.360 easy to see why why your students have had so 1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:44.240 much success over the year. It's been fun to watch 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:47.480 you out and tour doing a great job covering all 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:51.520 the bases. You know, I'm doing a you know, fun 1:00:51.600 --> 1:00:53.560 way and doing a great job. So it's been fun 1:00:53.600 --> 1:00:56.080 to watch all these hours. I appreciate the support. 1:00:56.760 --> 1:00:59.280 I always thank you so much for saying that. I 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:02.160 always say that I learned a lot of what I 1:01:02.320 --> 1:01:04.400 know from my father, and one of the things my 1:01:04.480 --> 1:01:08.480 father said was pick good students. They make you look 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:11.000 a lot better. So I have I have been very 1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:13.400 lucky to work with. But listen, you're doing great work. 1:01:13.480 --> 1:01:18.280 And you know I figured it seeing as a Canada 1:01:18.600 --> 1:01:21.440 I mean, big win for Canada. Nick Taylor, how good 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:22.880 do you think a guy like Nick Taylor can be? 1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:24.520 Because I mean he's one of those guys that when 1:01:24.520 --> 1:01:26.240 you watch him and I mean he's a very good 1:01:26.320 --> 1:01:28.400 ball striker, right, I mean Nick, I mean he's a 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:31.920 good ball striker. And do you think this can be 1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:34.760 a springboard for a guy like Nick to go? Okay, 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:37.960 now I've wanted I won a tournament against I mean 1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:40.880 listen down the stretch. I mean Nick beat you know 1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:44.480 some really good players, including you know, someone who I 1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:46.480 think is one of the best, if at times not 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:48.480 the best player in the world, in Rory McElroy. Do 1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:50.560 you think this is an opportunity for Nick to take 1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:54.720 this type of a win on a big stage at home, 1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:58.840 a win for Canadian golf, not only for himself. Do 1:01:58.880 --> 1:02:00.800 you think this can be a board for a kid 1:02:00.920 --> 1:02:01.240 like Nick? 1:02:02.280 --> 1:02:04.760 Yeah? Absolutely, Like like Nick was number one amateur in 1:02:04.800 --> 1:02:09.280 the world, right he he He's always been good. He 1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:14.160 keeps working, he's trying to get better every day. He's 1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:19.160 nails under pressure, he's smart, he's just doing great. If 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:22.800 I could give another quick plug, you know it's Canadians. 1:02:23.040 --> 1:02:25.480 We're nice people. But we do have five players now 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:28.840 in the top seven in the world, which has been fun. Right. So, 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:32.080 you know, I joined our national team program in two 1:02:32.080 --> 1:02:34.920 thousand and one and been off and on with the program, 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:37.360 and boy, if they would told us in two thousand 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:39.680 and one when we started the national team program that 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:41.960 you know, came to when it came open and there'd 1:02:42.000 --> 1:02:44.320 be five games in top seventy, you know, we would 1:02:44.360 --> 1:02:46.600 have been, you know, pretty happy. We wouldn't have believed it, 1:02:47.040 --> 1:02:50.720 but we would been pretty happy. So anyways, No, they're 1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:55.920 all doing great, fun fun yo. Yes, it was an 1:02:56.520 --> 1:03:00.480 unbelievable week though. For for the goal, for the key 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:03.720 and open and again appreciate your time here, buddy. Well 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:04.480 thanks for doing this. 1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:07.200 We've been trying to do it for a while and everybody, 1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:10.919 honestly go check out the app. It will definitely help 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:14.240 you read greens better. Ralph, hope you get the visa 1:03:14.360 --> 1:03:17.160 issue solved and hopefully we will get to see you 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:18.360 back in the US soon. 1:03:18.760 --> 1:03:20.160 Yeah, I'm back next week. Thanks brother. 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:26.720 So that was Ralph Bauer talking about green reading. And 1:03:27.800 --> 1:03:30.240 I think if you struggle with green reading, if you 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:33.120 aren't making the putts that you feel like you should 1:03:33.160 --> 1:03:36.240 be making, I think everybody's control all delete is just 1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:38.880 to go. Stroke mechanics got to be my stroke, got 1:03:38.960 --> 1:03:42.640 to be my stroke. And I promise you one hundred 1:03:42.680 --> 1:03:45.880 dollars to get this app. It's well worth it. It 1:03:46.240 --> 1:03:50.360 will help you improve and green reading. It is a skill, 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:53.560 it is an art, but it is something that you 1:03:53.720 --> 1:03:56.160 can practice and you can get better. And if you 1:03:56.520 --> 1:04:00.240 follow this and you work with it, I think it 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:04.680 can help you lower your scores. So it's the US 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:07.720 Open La Country Club. I was out on the golf 1:04:07.760 --> 1:04:12.360 course today. What man, this is a uh, this is 1:04:12.440 --> 1:04:17.640 an interesting one. This is not your typical East Coast 1:04:19.600 --> 1:04:23.600 old school kind of what you're used to seeing from 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:27.960 a US Open. There are some very very unique holes 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:30.840 out on this golf course. It's got a pretty unique 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:34.400 look to it. But I gotta be honest with you, 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.080 I I don't know what this golf course is going 1:04:37.160 --> 1:04:41.360 to throw up. There are some incredibly long par threes. 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:43.760 There's there's a par three on the front nine. I 1:04:43.800 --> 1:04:47.400 think it's the seventh hole, two hundred and eighty five yards. 1:04:47.440 --> 1:04:49.520 I mean that's where they were playing it today in 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:53.439 the practice round. DJ it's to sixty five to the front, 1:04:53.520 --> 1:04:55.959 by the way, so two sixty five to the front. 1:04:56.040 --> 1:04:59.600 It was two eighty five to the whole. DJ smashed. 1:04:59.800 --> 1:05:02.440 I'm I mean just hammered a three wood and hit 1:05:02.480 --> 1:05:05.600 it in the middle of the green. Brooks had to 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:08.000 we're out in the practice round. Brooks had to kind 1:05:08.040 --> 1:05:10.520 of hit a hammer drawl to get it into the 1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:13.640 middle of the green. There's the eleventh hole. I think 1:05:13.760 --> 1:05:15.080 a lot of people have been seeing that one on 1:05:15.200 --> 1:05:20.000 Social two ninety five. Okay, it's downhill, but today it 1:05:20.080 --> 1:05:24.720 was downhill, it was into the wind. So there are 1:05:24.880 --> 1:05:27.840 some blind t shots, there are some blind approach shots. 1:05:28.560 --> 1:05:30.200 I think a lot of people have seen on Social 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:33.840 that there are areas where the rough is really really thick, 1:05:33.960 --> 1:05:36.280 and then there's some areas where it's not, and then 1:05:36.320 --> 1:05:39.520 there's some holes around the green complexes where it's just 1:05:39.720 --> 1:05:42.360 it's hey, I mean, it's just if you hit it 1:05:42.920 --> 1:05:45.960 into these if you if you come up short and 1:05:46.080 --> 1:05:48.560 you're in some of these areas with this really really 1:05:48.680 --> 1:05:51.320 thick grass, or if you hit one over the green 1:05:51.800 --> 1:05:55.920 and you're on a downslope, you're staring double or triple 1:05:56.080 --> 1:06:01.320 in the face. So obviously I think if you drive 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:04.360 it well here, you're going to have an opportunity. But 1:06:04.920 --> 1:06:08.000 I could see, I could honestly see a number of 1:06:08.120 --> 1:06:11.480 different players winning this championship, and I could see a 1:06:11.600 --> 1:06:18.320 number of different styles of golfers winning this championship. So yeah, 1:06:18.360 --> 1:06:20.480 this is an interesting one. It's going to look great 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:23.280 on TV. If you've never been to La Country Club. 1:06:23.320 --> 1:06:26.280 It's right in the middle of Beverly Hills. There's thirty 1:06:26.320 --> 1:06:29.400 six holes one the course that the tournament's going to 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:32.200 be played on is on one side of Wiltshire Boulevard 1:06:32.560 --> 1:06:35.600 and then the other eighteen is on the other side. 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:39.160 I mean, you couldn't find a more expensive piece of 1:06:39.240 --> 1:06:42.080 real estate to have two golf courses. I mean Beverly 1:06:42.120 --> 1:06:46.080 Hills real estate and to eighteen hole golf courses right 1:06:46.120 --> 1:06:48.720 in the middle of Beverly Hills. The weather's going to 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:51.400 be great. We're in Los Angeles. For those of you listening, 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:54.320 if you're on the East coast of the United States, 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:57.440 this is going to be primetime. So I kind of 1:06:57.560 --> 1:07:01.680 like it too. Anytime the US opened out west, uh 1:07:01.800 --> 1:07:04.400 to Pebble Beach or to La or to San Diego 1:07:04.440 --> 1:07:07.080 a couple of years ago where John ram won. I 1:07:07.160 --> 1:07:12.280 think it's great and I'm excited. Uh so unique, unique 1:07:12.440 --> 1:07:14.520 golf course, and I think a lot of people are 1:07:14.600 --> 1:07:17.680 gonna be surprised by what they see. I think it's 1:07:17.720 --> 1:07:21.440 wide open, and I'm excited to see who hoists the 1:07:22.120 --> 1:07:26.320 trophy on Sunday and gets a major championship. Son of 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:28.880 a Butcher comes to you every Wednesday, and we will 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:30.040 see you all next week.