Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Claud Harmon. We come to every Wednesday. I figured this week,
Speaker 1: with all of the craziness going on in the world
Speaker 1: of golf, in the world of professional golf, and all
Speaker 1: of this talk of the PGA Tour, the PIF and live,
Speaker 1: we own Son of a Butch would get back to
Speaker 1: helping you improve your game. Ralph Bauer, Canadian teaching pro
Speaker 1: short game putting guru, works on the PGA Tour. He's
Speaker 1: worked with a number of different players. He has a
Speaker 1: new Green reading app. You find it in the app store.
Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic. I helped beta test it and
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of ralphs. I think he does
Speaker 1: really great work. But I'm always trying to find ways
Speaker 1: that all of you listening can get better and improve
Speaker 1: your game. Technology is a huge part of that.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I think everybody that's got a smartphone iPhone you can
Speaker 1: really use this. We talk about how the app works,
Speaker 1: how he got started with the app, why he came
Speaker 1: up with it. But if you want to get better
Speaker 1: at your golf, if you want your scores to improve,
Speaker 1: one of the easiest low hanging fruits that you can
Speaker 1: have is to learn how to read greens better. If
Speaker 1: you can read greens better, it will help you put better,
Speaker 1: It'll help your distance control, it'll help your speed control.
Speaker 1: So I been trying to get Ralph on the pod
Speaker 1: for a couple of months now. Our schedules finally merged
Speaker 1: and I figured with Nick Taylor winning the RBC Canadian
Speaker 1: Open on the PGA Tour, hooped a sixty five footer
Speaker 1: in a dramatic playoff against Tommy Fleetwood, big day for
Speaker 1: Canadian golf. So I figured we'd get Ralph on because
Speaker 1: Nick uses his app. So you will get a lot
Speaker 1: out of this. If you're struggling with green reading, you're
Speaker 1: going to want to listen to this one. Sit back
Speaker 1: and enjoy listening to Ralph Bauer. So my guest today
Speaker 1: is somebody that I've been trying to get on the
Speaker 1: pod for a while. We've been juggling schedules, Ralph Bower,
Speaker 1: Short Game Hutting Guru and Canadian So coming off of
Speaker 1: Nick Taylor's historic win, Ralph, I figured you've done some
Speaker 1: work with Nick Taylor.
Speaker 3: He uses the product. We're going to talk about your
Speaker 3: tour Red Green app. But just a quick one.
Speaker 1: I mean, what a day for Canadian golf, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: really since Mike Weir won the Masters in a playoff
Speaker 1: with Tommy Fleetwood he hoops it from sixty five?
Speaker 3: Was I sixty five seventy.
Speaker 1: Feet and fourth hole of a playoff hometown, you know,
Speaker 1: crowd everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, a really special day for Canadian golf.
Speaker 2: Yesterday, Yeah, it was. It was amazing. I mean, storybook ending.
Speaker 2: First of all, Tommy fleet was super popular up here.
Speaker 2: But you know, Keane has a won in seventy four years.
Speaker 2: I mean, Mike Weir his childhood. You know, Idols is
Speaker 2: sitting there having a beer watching the playoff, like you know,
Speaker 2: his buddy's Corey and and Adam were there watching and
Speaker 2: it was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And then in the celebration, I mean, in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, Jim Weathers he's worked with Chess Reevey. He
Speaker 1: runs out of the green and one of the Canadian
Speaker 1: Mounted policemen, one of the Mounties, knocks him down and
Speaker 1: actually really kind of injured Jim and it really had
Speaker 1: a huge effect on his life. And then you know
Speaker 1: Adam Hadwin's running on the green, you know, yeah, one
Speaker 1: of his fellow tour players Canadian and then Terry Tait
Speaker 1: office linebacker comes around the corner and some security guard
Speaker 1: takes him down.
Speaker 3: I mean the video, I mean so.
Speaker 1: Many different angles of that video, but I saw one
Speaker 1: today that was kind of white behind Adam's running up
Speaker 1: in slow motion, and all of a sudden, this security
Speaker 1: guard like drops that does the swim.
Speaker 3: Move from the NFL and takes Adam down. I thought.
Speaker 1: Adam's wife her tweet this morning epitomizes what a Canadian is.
Speaker 1: She said, you know, I just want to let everybody
Speaker 1: know that Adam's still alive.
Speaker 3: And in true Canadian.
Speaker 1: Fashion, he apologized to the security officer for running out
Speaker 1: on the green.
Speaker 3: You Canadians are the nicest people on the planet Earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that he actually did apologize, and yeah,
Speaker 2: the whole thing was crazy. And you know, the two
Speaker 2: of them, Nick and Adam played like I played the
Speaker 2: same golf club growing up, so you know, for them
Speaker 2: to be you know, I liveing Mike, We're growing up
Speaker 2: and then you know, getting tackled and when it, you know,
Speaker 2: Caane opens on the eighteenth gree to front of Mike.
Speaker 2: It is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about so the Tour Read Green app
Speaker 1: which everybody can get, they can download and everything.
Speaker 3: Talk to me.
Speaker 1: About We'll talk about the app, but what was the
Speaker 1: impetus in trying to it? Because one of the things
Speaker 1: I've had some of the putting gurus on here, I
Speaker 1: mean phill Ken, you who I have a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of respect for, you know, I think he's one of
Speaker 1: the best in the world talking about putting. But I've
Speaker 1: always said Ralph that I think we as instructors have
Speaker 1: taught putting in reverse. We teach mechanics first, and then
Speaker 1: we teach speed and green reading, and if I'm honest,
Speaker 1: we never.
Speaker 3: Really teach speed or green reading, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's something that the average golfer really
Speaker 1: really struggles with. First, before we get into why do
Speaker 1: you think golfers struggles so much with green reading?
Speaker 2: I think the main problem with that, The main thing
Speaker 2: people struggle with it is because they when they miss
Speaker 2: a pott. Let's say they're right hand player, they left
Speaker 2: the right pott, they miss it low, They're gonna blame
Speaker 2: their stroke cutcent the time, so they're not looking at
Speaker 2: the problem the right way, basically saying, hey, chances are
Speaker 2: is a misread right, and then they're learning how the
Speaker 2: green breaks. But we've been conditioned to think, oh, I
Speaker 2: pushed it, I pulled that one, and that's our two options,
Speaker 2: not I underread that, I overread that right. So I
Speaker 2: feel like if we could kind of flip that around
Speaker 2: and get people to think, hey, you know what, it
Speaker 2: was probably an under or overread. You know. I always
Speaker 2: tell people, let's get really good straight putts and then
Speaker 2: get let's get really good at reading greens right. So
Speaker 2: I feel like that's why we tend to not become
Speaker 2: great green readers.
Speaker 1: Do you think also the television plays a role in this,
Speaker 1: because every six or five or someone has for par
Speaker 1: that they miss. The announcers are so conditioned to say, okay,
Speaker 1: so if it's a left to right, if it's a
Speaker 1: left to right putt and the player misses it left,
Speaker 1: it's it's just part of I mean, I'm guilty of
Speaker 1: doing it right. I've done TV for Sky Sports in
Speaker 1: the UK for a number of years and stuffing. Your
Speaker 1: first reaction is okay, you're not down there right, you're
Speaker 1: watching it on TV. Yes, you kind of have an
Speaker 1: idea even if the en course reporter because okay, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit left to right, but as soon as
Speaker 1: he hits it, the announcers will say, he pulled it.
Speaker 1: If he missed it to right, he pushed it. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: like you said, it's just a it's it's nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the stroke. It's to do with green reading.
Speaker 1: And I think green reading and lack of green reading,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you agree ralph has such a massive effect on
Speaker 1: a player's speed and distance control undred percent.
Speaker 2: Like if you underread a putt, you always get it
Speaker 2: hard right, And if you overread a putt, you know
Speaker 2: you tend to have soft. So green reading and speed
Speaker 2: control all ties in, you know, you know, big time. Right. So,
Speaker 2: and I agree that the announcers, you know, tend to
Speaker 2: tend to say, you know, God blessing, they a tough job.
Speaker 2: Do you have to talk, you know, NonStop for quite
Speaker 2: a while, right they it's it's kind of black or white.
Speaker 2: You pushed it, you pulled it right. And there's a
Speaker 2: lot of nuances in putting. But but green readings, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, causes way more myth puts on the PGA tour.
Speaker 2: I've got stats, but you know it caused way more
Speaker 2: myth pots than PG Tour obviously from inside eight feet
Speaker 2: than a push or a pull.
Speaker 1: And I also think that every every now and again,
Speaker 1: someone on social will will post make percentages on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. And I always find that fascinating because most
Speaker 1: of the students that I teach and I work with
Speaker 1: that aren't. You know, tour players aren't competitive golfers. They're
Speaker 1: just recreational golfers. They're just trying to improve their game.
Speaker 1: They just want to get better. I think everybody is
Speaker 1: surprised when you actually give them the data of make person.
Speaker 1: I mean they look at a player, a PG Tour player,
Speaker 1: and he hits it to ten feet on a par three,
Speaker 1: and everybody thinks, oh, yeah, the PJ Tour make percentage
Speaker 1: from ten feet's got to be like eighty ninety percent
Speaker 1: and it's not even close to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. Like the fifty I was playing people,
Speaker 2: the fifty fifty it would break even for PG Tour
Speaker 2: player is seven ft ten inches.
Speaker 1: It's seven feet.
Speaker 2: You know, it hasn't really changed in decades. And you know,
Speaker 2: people think, like, if you took the average play from
Speaker 2: seven ft ten inches, how often is the PJ Tour
Speaker 2: a going to make this and the answers vary from
Speaker 2: seventy to ninety percent, right.
Speaker 1: Oh, without a doubt.
Speaker 2: I mean good for people that they're confident enough to
Speaker 2: think they're going to make that higher percentage, right, But
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's shocking how but then again, if
Speaker 2: if you look at that, it's also shocking how many times,
Speaker 2: like if you take a tour player, any good player
Speaker 2: in a controlled environment, they're going to start out well
Speaker 2: over ninety percent of their potts online with a proper
Speaker 2: speed where that's seven foot ten foot, you know that
Speaker 2: that eight footer should go in, right. So the difference
Speaker 2: really there is the green reading.
Speaker 1: So the idea was to come up with a way
Speaker 1: and use modern technology to come up with, you know,
Speaker 1: a way to read greens. Now I probably say, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you agree? In the last five to seven years, aim
Speaker 1: point has been has become part of everyday vernacular with
Speaker 1: players of all you know, skill levels, but specifically on
Speaker 1: the PGA's tour we see a lot of players. Adam
Speaker 1: Scott was one of the first early adopters for a
Speaker 1: really really good elite player, a global superstar to start
Speaker 1: doing kind of aim point and aim point express, but
Speaker 1: you decided to take that one step further and use
Speaker 1: technology to help train. Talk to me about the Tour
Speaker 1: Read Green app and what it is and how you
Speaker 1: think Ralph it can help players get better. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've had some some fantastic success this year, Tom Hogy,
Speaker 1: who's really over the last couple of years, Ralph has
Speaker 1: really kind of broken out. And Tom not necessarily a superstar,
Speaker 1: he's certainly not one of the elite bombers on the
Speaker 1: PGA tour, but in using the Green Reading app on
Speaker 1: his phone and through your help, he's really become one
Speaker 1: of the best players in the world. And he's being
Speaker 1: talked about having an opportunity, you know, to get on
Speaker 1: this US Ryder Cup team going to Rome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been fun. And you know, Nick Taylor was
Speaker 2: one of the first people to use the app. Nick
Speaker 2: Taylor and matc Hugh's were the first two people that
Speaker 2: we baita tested it with and Nick uses it, you
Speaker 2: know every week, right, he loves it helps him with
Speaker 2: his green reads. I've got a lot of tour players
Speaker 2: using it. But you know, I'm gonna go back to
Speaker 2: something that that you taught me a few years ago.
Speaker 2: If I can klatte. So you taught me that, Hey,
Speaker 2: you know what you're talking to me about launch monitors
Speaker 2: and you said, Ralph, you got to get every person
Speaker 2: on lunchmar like launch matters are gold with beginners. Like
Speaker 2: really You're like yeah, yeah, Like and you talked about
Speaker 2: your daughter and you know members of the club who
Speaker 2: you know could instantly grasp things. You know, So you're
Speaker 2: using technology to help steep in the learning curve, right,
Speaker 2: And that's what we're trying to do do with this
Speaker 2: with this system. So it's it's super easy to use
Speaker 2: in the app store. Basically, what you do you it
Speaker 2: uses the internal clinometer like there's in your phone as
Speaker 2: a you know, a three sixty level. You put it
Speaker 2: on the ground, you input the length and the speed
Speaker 2: of the putt, and it tells you where to aim
Speaker 2: it right, And it's crazy how accurate it is. I mean,
Speaker 2: Forestights endorsed it. I mean I've I've had a bunch
Speaker 2: of companies and endorse it. You know, it's in the
Speaker 2: TPI store now it's it's it's awesome, right, So that's
Speaker 2: been fun. And now we've got a whole green reading
Speaker 2: training system built into it. So you can give this
Speaker 2: phone to a beginner or this app to a beginner,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna with the videos, with the training system
Speaker 2: that sets built into it, they're going to know how
Speaker 2: to in a very short order how to read greens,
Speaker 2: you know, very well in the golf course. So it's
Speaker 2: been a lot of fun for that. Like and then
Speaker 2: you know, you mentioned as an instructor the biggest challenge.
Speaker 2: Somebody comes for a lesson, half hour lesson, an hour
Speaker 2: lesson and they're like, okay, I need to pop better.
Speaker 2: So you work on their stroke for the first little bit,
Speaker 2: get their stroke dialed in right, and then with five
Speaker 2: minutes left they're like, oh, you know what, I don't
Speaker 2: know how to read greens either, right, And you're like
Speaker 2: and then you're like, I mean the old day if
Speaker 2: we would just tell people to trial and there, or
Speaker 2: we talk about water or you know, you know, race
Speaker 2: creek or you know, whatever we think we want we
Speaker 2: want to throw in there. But now we've got to
Speaker 2: just crazy easy system to you know, so people can
Speaker 2: recognize how how the slope and the speed affects it
Speaker 2: and then train that so you can use it on
Speaker 2: the golf course. Can awesome.
Speaker 1: I one of the things that I always say to player.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a generalization, Ralph, And would
Speaker 1: you agree the majority of players, regardless of their level.
Speaker 1: I think golfers across the board, in my opinion, can
Speaker 1: consistently underread potts. Do we have an understanding as someone
Speaker 1: you know you're in depth in the putting world, do
Speaker 1: you have an idea or an understanding as to why
Speaker 1: that is?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Because I see it, Ralph, day in and day out,
Speaker 1: at the elite Tour level, at the elite amateur level,
Speaker 1: at the elite junior level, and then for all us
Speaker 1: regular golfers, why do you think we all tend to
Speaker 1: underread potts. You've got a fifteen foot pot and most players,
Speaker 1: if it's left to right or right to left, will
Speaker 1: tend to underread the pot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the elite players, PG tour players and very
Speaker 2: lead players I've tested on a left to right pott
Speaker 2: are going to be able to recognize seventy pen the slope.
Speaker 2: So if it's breaking ten inches, theren't think it's seven right.
Speaker 2: And on a right to lefter if it's gonna break
Speaker 2: ten inches, there and see it as eight and a
Speaker 2: half inches. So they're underreading or left righters by thirty percent,
Speaker 2: which is obviously you know a lot rights lefters by
Speaker 2: fifteen percent, which is again kind of crazy. I just
Speaker 2: don't think there's been effective way of training people on greenery.
Speaker 2: It's essentially trial and error, right, Like, probably the most
Speaker 2: effective way up to this right now was going up
Speaker 2: first thing in the morning and putting on dude, you know,
Speaker 2: greens with do on them.
Speaker 1: So you could see what the putt was doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a shot tracer for putting.
Speaker 2: Yeah like, and probably that was the most effective way
Speaker 2: of doing this up till now. But you know, that's
Speaker 2: not for everybody, and it doesn't work for two or
Speaker 2: players because they cut the greens by you know, by
Speaker 2: the time I got it there. So that's it's just
Speaker 2: been a real challenge. I know. I can't tell you
Speaker 2: how many times I've been frustrated as a coach, you know,
Speaker 2: where I just felt like I couldn't help a player
Speaker 2: really get much better at green Like it was just
Speaker 2: such an archers task, right And I've had coaches say, well,
Speaker 2: I've got a system. Takes four years. I've got a system.
Speaker 2: It takes no No, nobody had four years like you know,
Speaker 2: we live in a society like if we can, you know,
Speaker 2: and I've had we can, we can train people. You know,
Speaker 2: it'd be great greeners now under a month. Right, So
Speaker 2: I've got a system. I've got this like eighty five
Speaker 2: plot system. If you go through this, if you had
Speaker 2: eighty five putts with my app, I guarantee you'll be
Speaker 2: a much better green rear.
Speaker 1: So the player puts the phone down. Okay, So is
Speaker 1: there a way I mean, one of the things that
Speaker 1: I do, you know, with all of my lessons is
Speaker 1: I went to home depot. I've got a measuring wheel
Speaker 1: that you can rock, that you can buy, so I
Speaker 1: can know how long a ten foot putt is a
Speaker 1: fifteen foot putt. So most people aren't going to have that.
Speaker 1: So is there a way that the listeners can say, okay,
Speaker 1: with my steps, how can I figure out what five
Speaker 1: feet is with what ten feet is, with what fifteen
Speaker 1: feet is, so that they have an idea of how
Speaker 1: far the putt is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. So what what I normally
Speaker 2: do is I'll take a putter. Most putters are thirty
Speaker 2: five inches right, roll it over three times, right, So
Speaker 2: that's going to be your ninth fotter pay set off
Speaker 2: a few times, and then you get good at pacing
Speaker 2: off a nine footer, if you know, and then DA
Speaker 2: looks drapt light out to a twelve or fifteen footer, right,
Speaker 2: So it's pretty easy to do. Takes no time. I
Speaker 2: feel like if somebody, you know, if you want to
Speaker 2: open up the health app in your iPhone, right, it'll
Speaker 2: tell you what your average pace of your length of
Speaker 2: your pace is. Right. That'll give you a good idea too.
Speaker 2: For most kind of you know, adults over five seven,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a brisk walk, right, So it's
Speaker 2: kind of like, hey, I'm late for a meeting. I'm
Speaker 2: going to walk a little faster than normal, and that's
Speaker 2: gonna be about three feet, right, So that takes a
Speaker 2: little bit of time. The other challenge is is in
Speaker 2: the you know, because the system will tell you, hey,
Speaker 2: this is the twelve inches. Pups can break twelve inches,
Speaker 2: if pups can break six inches, broad can break eighteen inches.
Speaker 2: You know, people don't have a nun of yo's got
Speaker 2: a great idea of what you know eighteen inches looks like.
Speaker 2: So I always tell people, hey, like let's measure your
Speaker 2: foot and your head, head of your putter. You know,
Speaker 2: you're always gonna have your your golf shoot with you.
Speaker 2: And so if your shoes afoot and your potter, the
Speaker 2: head of your potter's four inches, you got some good
Speaker 2: guides to kind of go on, so you don't need
Speaker 2: to bring a ruler out there. Like I applied the
Speaker 2: fact you've got a wheel with you. That's a great dee.
Speaker 2: I'm mean to go in tomorrow. I use a yard staff.
Speaker 1: But believe it or not, one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I did that is, I think again, we're so conditioned
Speaker 1: as golfers off of television. Right. We watch golf on TV.
Speaker 1: And when you watch golf on TV, the TV distorts
Speaker 1: your vision. Right when it's really really dark, they can
Speaker 1: turn the irises up, so if somebody's playing and they're
Speaker 1: trying to get it in before darkness on TV, it'll
Speaker 1: look really really bright. But they're always saying on television, hey,
Speaker 1: it's much darker out there. We've just trying to brighten
Speaker 1: it up. But when a player hits it to ten
Speaker 1: fifteen feet, that distance on TV is very different than
Speaker 1: the distance it looks in person. Right, So the reason
Speaker 1: why I got the measuring wheel, especially with junior golfers
Speaker 1: and high school golfers trying to play. I said, listen,
Speaker 1: I just I'm going to roll this out. You tell
Speaker 1: me how far you think this is. And I have
Speaker 1: been really surprised at how people struggle to know what
Speaker 1: a ten footer is, what a fifteen footer is. They
Speaker 1: think the distance is different than what the actual distance is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And you know, not to date myself,
Speaker 2: but you know, when I grew up, we had to
Speaker 2: pace off all of our yardages. So we would start
Speaker 2: the two hundred practice from the two hundred one fifty,
Speaker 2: you know, would get good, really really good at it.
Speaker 2: So we had an awareness of it. So so now
Speaker 2: you know, if you do want to know what a
Speaker 2: three what a nine footer is compared to a twelve footer,
Speaker 2: it does take five minutes of practice. You know, take
Speaker 2: your putter, your part of thirty five inches, roll it
Speaker 2: over a few times, practice that once in a while
Speaker 2: for a few minutes, and you know you'll be fine.
Speaker 2: If you've got a laser, you could conceivably laser, you know,
Speaker 2: see how far a putt is and then paste it off.
Speaker 2: But that seems like overkill.
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Speaker 1: so how does the player then start to match the
Speaker 1: speed with the line?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a great question. So what what what
Speaker 2: the The app uses the clinomb like like the the
Speaker 2: the like the clinometer you know in the in the
Speaker 2: in the phone you have to put on the ground.
Speaker 2: It gives you the information and then there's a whole
Speaker 2: trains that built in there that the next step is
Speaker 2: it'll give you the read like the role. It'll give
Speaker 2: you the like two percent right to left, one percent uphill,
Speaker 2: and then you have to guess you know how much
Speaker 2: you're gonna break. Click on the button and it'll give
Speaker 2: you the answer. And then the system is based on
Speaker 2: twelve inches past speed. Right. So I've had some tour
Speaker 2: players like, oh I look at it, you know six
Speaker 2: I hit it? You know two feet pass. I've had
Speaker 2: two players I like, hit two f pass. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to change the app for you because it's not
Speaker 2: gonna work like hitting two feet pass A great idea
Speaker 2: on a six footter, like I don't think you actually
Speaker 2: do that well.
Speaker 1: Then then then Brooks kept has got no chance to
Speaker 1: use this because if it's six feet and Brooks isn't
Speaker 1: making it, he's probably got four or five feet coming back.
Speaker 2: Brooks is just a good putter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I also think Ralph, it's important for the
Speaker 1: listeners to realize that, I think everybody thinks they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be a Ben Crenshaw diet in the hole on
Speaker 1: the Last Revolution type putter. So two players that I
Speaker 1: work with, Dustin Johnson. DJ is like that. DJ likes
Speaker 1: to see the ball just die in. So if I
Speaker 1: was going to make a criticism in AJ, his brother,
Speaker 1: his caddy and I always do it. If we were
Speaker 1: to criticize DJ from a putting standpoint, DJ tends to
Speaker 1: leave putts short. If I was going to criticize Brooks,
Speaker 1: Brooks sometimes is so aggressive that if he's got ten feet,
Speaker 1: he might have five feet coming back if he misses it.
Speaker 1: And it's funny they hate playing with each other in
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup when it's alternate shot because we'll be
Speaker 1: in practice rounds Ralph and at some of the Ryder
Speaker 1: Cups before and DJ will have like a fifteen footer
Speaker 1: and he'll leave it short, and or Brooks will have
Speaker 1: a fifteen footer and he'll run it past five feet.
Speaker 1: So we were in France and DJ had like fifteen
Speaker 1: feet and he hit one. Or Brooks hit one from
Speaker 1: fifteen feet and ran it like five feet past, and
Speaker 1: DJ said, yo, don't be doing that on Friday, and
Speaker 1: Brooks said, hey, don't be laving at short when you
Speaker 1: have a chance to make it. So, how do you
Speaker 1: think is a good way that everyone listening can figure out?
Speaker 1: What type of But because there's nothing wrong with being
Speaker 1: an aggressive putter, right, you can be successful with being
Speaker 1: an aggressive putter, and then you can be accessible with
Speaker 1: having unbelievable die in the whole speed control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those two are obviously, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: Brooks just want a fifth major, like it's you obviously
Speaker 2: can't criticize that if you're building a player from the
Speaker 2: ground up, though, you'd probably tell them twelve inch past
Speaker 2: speed is a good you know, is a good way?
Speaker 2: The safe zone passage, Yeah, you know, because then like it,
Speaker 2: you know, statistically, if we're leaving pots inside ten feet
Speaker 2: short very often, I mean, obviously we're though those are
Speaker 2: all missed opportunities to make the put right, and if
Speaker 2: a pretty him too hard the cap with that capture speed,
Speaker 2: the hole gets so small that it's it's aggressive, but
Speaker 2: the hole gets so small that it's hard to make
Speaker 2: a lot of them too, right, So twelve inches past
Speaker 2: is it's kind of a nice number. We we did
Speaker 2: a bunch of studies on and that's pretty close to
Speaker 2: what you'd want Sebby to do, you know, starting from scratch.
Speaker 2: And then you know, I even dust and sometimes sometimes
Speaker 2: I feel like we do get were we see those
Speaker 2: one pots that they dying in to win something, and
Speaker 2: you know, and we think that's how they hit hit
Speaker 2: them all the time. And I know you've watched Dustin
Speaker 2: play great on Sundays and you know the greens tend
Speaker 2: to get faster on Sundays, right, And being a die
Speaker 2: putter on a Sunday is probably a better idea than
Speaker 2: being a die putter at your club, you know, on
Speaker 2: a Tuesday, right, or or even for for Dustin on
Speaker 2: a Thursday, he's got eight foot or up hill, right,
Speaker 2: it's probably gonna be different than than it would be
Speaker 2: on a Sunday. Right. So those guys are great, They've
Speaker 2: got so much experience, are great A recognizing it, and
Speaker 2: we have had some good success with players tweaking small
Speaker 2: things at that level. Right. But the system really we
Speaker 2: designed kind of like you you mentioned for beginners and
Speaker 2: for average people, you know, to get to steep in
Speaker 2: the learning curve and uh and and do it that way.
Speaker 2: I have had a bunch of tour players who will
Speaker 2: use it to they'll say, rough, I like to use it.
Speaker 2: Andrew Putnam told me this because I just like to
Speaker 2: use it because I get I get to speed the
Speaker 2: greens down much quicker, and I can see the lines.
Speaker 2: I know where the break is, and I can see
Speaker 2: the lines on different speeds because every week's different speed.
Speaker 2: And it's helped him with with with that. Just I
Speaker 2: like the fact that different coaches, different players use it
Speaker 2: for different reasons. Right. So that's been been a lot
Speaker 2: of fun having I had so many great coaches who
Speaker 2: are using it now and it's been fun to tell
Speaker 2: them tell me how how they even using it.
Speaker 1: And you just had two of the universities that that
Speaker 1: that have bought in and use your app. We just
Speaker 1: had him on the podcast, J C. Deacon, the head
Speaker 1: coach at the University of Florida. They just won the
Speaker 1: men's National championship former, I mean fellow Canuck just like you.
Speaker 1: So obviously, if a Canadian is going to invent something,
Speaker 1: you know, from a golf standpoint, I mean J. C. Deacon,
Speaker 1: I mean he doesn't have a choice but to support
Speaker 1: the homeland and use it. And then the women's team
Speaker 1: at Wake Forest. So two national championship teams both using
Speaker 1: the app. Tell me how that relationship started and what
Speaker 1: gains you've seen with those two programs, both on the
Speaker 1: men's and the women's side.
Speaker 2: It's been fun working with some of the colleges. I
Speaker 2: was lucky enough to be able to spend a day
Speaker 2: with JC kind of going over it, and you know Jac,
Speaker 2: you know, they both won Coach of the Year. Jac
Speaker 2: did a obviously great job. And you know we went
Speaker 2: over green reading with Jac, like not just not just
Speaker 2: the app, but like where to stand, Like where did
Speaker 2: best ascertain the slope? Like some people like to straddle
Speaker 2: the line. I find the problem with straddling the line is,
Speaker 2: you know, you might feel the slope one way, but
Speaker 2: you're looking straight down. Anytime we're looking straight down something
Speaker 2: that's gonna look flat, So our eyes are giving us
Speaker 2: a different message and our feed are, you know, as
Speaker 2: I talked to JC about, because Jac, you have to
Speaker 2: think about he's reading, you know, a lot of the
Speaker 2: pots for his team, right like, he's out there reading potts.
Speaker 2: Him and Dudley are out there, you know, and Dudley's got,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously tremendous experience and played for Florida, And
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like Jac actually has got a
Speaker 2: bit of advantage we talking about grain because JAC grew
Speaker 2: up in a non grainy, you know, part of the world,
Speaker 2: and then has been working in a grainy part of
Speaker 2: the world. So he's kind of got got both of
Speaker 2: those and he had to learn how to adapt, whereas
Speaker 2: I feel like some people that grow up on grany
Speaker 2: green that's just their vibe and then they learn how
Speaker 2: to how to do that. But yeah, so j C,
Speaker 2: you know, and I learned some stuff from some tricks
Speaker 2: from JC about about reading grain too. But Jac, like
Speaker 2: you said, we're Canadian the universe Tannessee coach, you know,
Speaker 2: good friend of mine, Branda Webb. He jumped on board.
Speaker 2: His guys start putting better. Jac's like, well, well, well
Speaker 2: we can't have this. I wou't mean my guy's putting
Speaker 2: better right, I'll be honest with the way Forest coach
Speaker 2: ever really reached out to her. We've got like an
Speaker 2: online but she's she's one coach here twice. I feel
Speaker 2: like she's in when coach year again with the app
Speaker 2: or without the app. You know, she's just obviously a
Speaker 2: great coach, you know, with with a great team. She
Speaker 2: signed up for online program, took the online program, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know which which is which is cool too? I've
Speaker 2: I think I've got about twenty colleges now who's signed
Speaker 2: up which which has been fun? Like? And that kind
Speaker 2: of goes back to Brooks Dustin thing. If it's kind
Speaker 2: of easier to get a seventeen year old eighteen year olds,
Speaker 2: you know, to buy into something that's something that's already won. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of stuff you.
Speaker 1: Mentioned Grain and that is something that obviously at the
Speaker 1: elite tour level, both on the men's and the women's side,
Speaker 1: plays an enormous role in in putting and speed control
Speaker 1: and making pots or missing potts. For everyone listening, Ralph,
Speaker 1: what's the easiest way give us the grain for dummies
Speaker 1: kind of spiel on on how players listening can say, Okay,
Speaker 1: is there grain? In this pot. What are they should
Speaker 1: what should they be looking for? And how is that
Speaker 1: going to affect the putt?
Speaker 2: I think I think grain first of all. I think
Speaker 2: grain effect affects the pot for sure. Right, So if
Speaker 2: if you're looking at the at the color of the green,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're in Bermuda greens. Uh So, if
Speaker 2: you're you know, anywhere south of Tennessee and the United States,
Speaker 2: you know in the summertime, you're gonna be on Bermuda greens.
Speaker 2: You're gonna look for the color of the green. If
Speaker 2: the green seems darker, it's gonna be into you. If
Speaker 2: it's lighter, it's gonna be down grain. Right. And JC
Speaker 2: did a good job of showing me where he reads
Speaker 2: grain from. So he reads grain from above the like
Speaker 2: in between the ball and the hole. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: looking down at it so you can see he feels
Speaker 2: like he can see the color better that way. And
Speaker 2: I've been doing that actually makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: So you know, you look at the grain on a
Speaker 2: on the testing I've I've done on a ten foot pot,
Speaker 2: if you're a cross grain, it's gonna about add about
Speaker 2: another inch to your putt. Right, So that if you say, like, hey,
Speaker 2: do you want to real a quick rule of thumb? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you know what I don't like. I don't
Speaker 2: like when people say, oh, it's cross grain, I need
Speaker 2: to add a little bit more. Our brain doesn't really
Speaker 2: work that way, Like you know, our brain wants an
Speaker 2: actual target to hit to right. So if it's cross grain,
Speaker 2: another inch for every ten feet, if you got a
Speaker 2: thirty foot air its can go three inches right. It's
Speaker 2: got twenty first three two inches. So that's kind of
Speaker 2: an easy way of doing it. Quick sales pitch on
Speaker 2: the app. The app gives you like normalized data, so
Speaker 2: it tells exactly what you can do without the grain.
Speaker 2: But if it breaks more than that, that's how much
Speaker 2: the grain effect of it.
Speaker 1: So again I think a lot of people don't understand
Speaker 1: or aren't really kind of you know, thinking about it.
Speaker 1: If it's down grain, it's going to be faster if
Speaker 1: it's into the grain. So it's a little bit like
Speaker 1: a carpet. So if you brush the carpet one way,
Speaker 1: it's going to look shiny, and if you rub it
Speaker 1: the other way, it's going to look duller.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just debscribed it better than I did, so
Speaker 2: let's go with the carpet analogy. For sure. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: use that one too.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know these aren't free, So I mean, I've
Speaker 1: got venmo if you want me to keep doing this
Speaker 1: speed control. I mean, there are a lot of things
Speaker 1: in golf that I think people don't practice because it's boring, right,
Speaker 1: And it's easier to go If you go out and
Speaker 1: you have thirty five potts and you have a bunch
Speaker 1: of three pots, it's easier to go try and work
Speaker 1: mechanics from five feet than it is to go putt
Speaker 1: one ball and put thirty footers, twenty footers, fifteen footers,
Speaker 1: all that in my instruction, Ralph, I think stroke mechanics
Speaker 1: are always the control. All delete right, you have a
Speaker 1: putting day, it's got to be stroke mechanics, distance control.
Speaker 1: What are some ways that everybody listening can get better,
Speaker 1: even if they're green. Reading is a work in progress.
Speaker 1: But what are some drills and some things that you've
Speaker 1: come up with that will help players with speed and
Speaker 1: with distance control?
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you asked that. So you know what,
Speaker 2: when we built the app, my initial idea was to
Speaker 2: do the get you know, put the phone down, get
Speaker 2: all the physics and then find out where the ball
Speaker 2: is going to enter the hole. Right, So if we've
Speaker 2: got a fifteen footer, we want to know the break,
Speaker 2: but then we have to we need to speed right,
Speaker 2: So the line's useless without the proper speed, so we
Speaker 2: have to match line speed. So if we could think
Speaker 2: certain thinks about where the ball is going to enter
Speaker 2: the hole, So that should be our last thought. You know,
Speaker 2: before we step into the pot, we know where it
Speaker 2: started and we know where it's going to enter the hole.
Speaker 2: So if you've got a right to left here, you're thinking, okay,
Speaker 2: it can enter six thirty seven o'clock, seven thirty eight o'clock,
Speaker 2: so you know, eight o'clock be pretty severe breaking pot.
Speaker 2: You know, six thirty be you know, very very minimal break. Right,
Speaker 2: And if we could think more about how the balls
Speaker 2: entering the hole, our speed control will get better, right
Speaker 2: because it now if we're thinking about where it's entering
Speaker 2: the hole, we're visualizing it, you know, entering there, and
Speaker 2: you know, then then our body is gonna you know, know,
Speaker 2: how hard to hit it based on what our brain
Speaker 2: is seeing before we before we hit it. Like, I know,
Speaker 2: there's speed drills that all hit a ten foliot plot
Speaker 2: at fifteen foot putt of twenty foot plot hit a
Speaker 2: thirty foot But I don't find those super helpful. I
Speaker 2: find it way more helpful to get people to see,
Speaker 2: like whenever somebody plays well. And Nick Taylor said it
Speaker 2: the other said in his interview, he said, you know,
Speaker 2: I saw some putts going. You're always talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: seeing things right, So like you always hear whatever good
Speaker 2: player puts, well, it's because they're seeing seeing the line,
Speaker 2: seeing the speed, seeing the ball into the hole, you know.
Speaker 2: And and if that's what we're doing when we're putting, well,
Speaker 2: why don't we just do that all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's interesting that you mentioned that that
Speaker 1: I think golfers are visual. Maybe about ten years ago,
Speaker 1: I think the TPI guys were the first ones to
Speaker 1: kind of talk about linear versus non linear putters, right,
Speaker 1: people that see straight lines and then people that see
Speaker 1: curve lines. Right, people that see the curving into the holes.
Speaker 1: When they stand behind a twenty footer that's breaking left
Speaker 1: to right, they kind of see this curve in this arc.
Speaker 1: Those would be nonlinear, and then linear putters would be Okay,
Speaker 1: I see a straight line to where the putt is
Speaker 1: going to break. Do you see a correlation between one
Speaker 1: of those in terms of how would you have a
Speaker 1: person identify that, like if they are like okay, because
Speaker 1: I asked that question and I hear a lot of
Speaker 1: players say to me, listen, I don't see you know,
Speaker 1: Ben Crenshaw, Brad Faxon, they see curve right. I would
Speaker 1: imagine Cam Smith is more visual, kind of like an artist.
Speaker 1: Cam is doing a lot of what I would think
Speaker 1: that you were talking about. He's seeing the ball go
Speaker 1: in in a specific way. And then there are other
Speaker 1: putters that say, listen, okay, I know this thing breaks
Speaker 1: left to right. I know this thing breaks right to left.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put it straight to that spot and
Speaker 1: then let gravity take over.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I find it's pretty easy to tell what
Speaker 2: they are if they're linear and not linear by by
Speaker 2: what they're aiming at right. So they're saying I'm aiming
Speaker 2: twelve inches out to the right, then guess what they're linear.
Speaker 2: Like Zach Johnson, I don't understand every punch straight pot.
Speaker 2: You just have to pick a spot right or left
Speaker 2: and hit it. I don't know what you keep are
Speaker 2: talking about curve lines everything straight. I'm like, well, okay,
Speaker 2: well guess what, you're linear. That's great, you know, and
Speaker 2: you know, keep keep doing that. You can't, I find
Speaker 2: you can't turn one into the other, like you can't
Speaker 2: turn uh, you know, an artist into a scientist and
Speaker 2: vice vice versa. Right, So I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's different things for different people. The non linear people though,
Speaker 2: they're still a new idea where it's started right, and
Speaker 2: you know, getting a you know, a better visual for
Speaker 2: them is going to be important. They did a great
Speaker 2: job to talk about linear not linear, because it's important
Speaker 2: because you can legit put people and there's not really
Speaker 2: people that are in the middle. But I do think
Speaker 2: if we could pick a spot, okay, twelve inches outside
Speaker 2: right edge, and then even if you're linear, you can
Speaker 2: still think about where that ball is can be entering
Speaker 2: the hole, because that's gonna be how you have to
Speaker 2: match up match the speed to that.
Speaker 1: Line touch and speed control. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that I do with a lot of players is I
Speaker 1: take the hole out right the actual ball going in
Speaker 1: the hole, So we'll go putt to an old hole
Speaker 1: right that we can see. And I've found that that's
Speaker 1: a really interesting way to have players see how the
Speaker 1: ball is going, what the speed is going to be
Speaker 1: with the ball after it would go through where the
Speaker 1: hole is. Right, so you're putting to an old hole.
Speaker 1: Let's say you've got a right to left putt from
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen feet, So the ball can't actually go
Speaker 1: in the hole because there's no hole in the ground,
Speaker 1: but you can still see where the old hole is
Speaker 1: you're putting too that if it rolls into the middle
Speaker 1: of that on a right to left putt, you would
Speaker 1: have made that, but then you can see how the
Speaker 1: pott is going to roll out after that. Do you
Speaker 1: think that that's a beneficial way for people to have
Speaker 1: an understanding as to what their speed is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. That's a great drill, and you
Speaker 2: know a good part.
Speaker 1: Of Venmo Another Venmo. Come on, just these are.
Speaker 2: No this is great. So uh because I've used the
Speaker 2: fake Okay, so this is dumb. I've used a fake hole.
Speaker 1: No, no, the fake But not everybody has a fake hole, right,
Speaker 1: I mean on tour everybody has. Everybody has one with
Speaker 1: their manufacturer's logo on it. If you're a titleist guy,
Speaker 1: you've got the titleist one. If you're a tailor made guy,
Speaker 1: if you're a cobra whatever. That's my point. Not everybody
Speaker 1: has a plastic disc that they're given out on tour, right,
Speaker 1: you could go buy those, but you know players have too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Ben Creunchall told me once that if your ball
Speaker 1: always has the right speed, how far away from the
Speaker 1: hole is it ever going to be? I found that
Speaker 1: a fascinating statement because obviously Ben very much nonlinear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's an artist, right. Do you think that
Speaker 1: players obsess about the read and then at times can
Speaker 1: fall in love so much with the line that they
Speaker 1: just forget to hit it. I mean, you've got a
Speaker 1: fifteen footer, it's breaking right to left, You've got the
Speaker 1: perfect read, and you leave it to roll short and
Speaker 1: you're like, you got the read part right, but the
Speaker 1: ball never got to the hole.
Speaker 2: It's funny whenever you fall in love with the line
Speaker 2: and hit the wrong speed, you always had the right line.
Speaker 2: You do, it's the right line, but you're so happy
Speaker 2: with that that you got to figure it out. You
Speaker 2: completely forget to forget the distance part. Yeah. Absolutely, it
Speaker 2: happens to everybody. But if we could think about worth
Speaker 2: entering the hole as our last thoughts. That's gonna nullify that.
Speaker 2: Like if you see somebody had a terrible put for
Speaker 2: me feet, there's no way they were thinking about where
Speaker 2: that ball is entering the hole. They were thinking about
Speaker 2: the line. They were thinking about stroke mechanics. Stroke mechanics. Good, yeah,
Speaker 2: really good one. You know, maybe they alter their pre
Speaker 2: shot and it's making them feel uncomfortable and they're still
Speaker 2: thinking about Hell un comfortable are from the pre shot routine,
Speaker 2: you know, But you're right. So if we could visualize
Speaker 2: I'm really big too. My favorite thing to do with
Speaker 2: players is to visual have them visualize the pot at
Speaker 2: some point their routine. It's gonna be different for everybody,
Speaker 2: but it's going to be have them visualized the pot
Speaker 2: in real time. So if they can, if they could,
Speaker 2: maybe it's behind the ball and you know, when when
Speaker 2: they're bending down looking at it, but if they could
Speaker 2: visualize the pot in real time from where the ball
Speaker 2: is to the hole, you know, it slows down as
Speaker 2: enters a hole and then let's say dust and would
Speaker 2: see it just toppling over, you know, and Brooks would
Speaker 2: see it, you know, hammering into the back way. Great
Speaker 2: they're still gonna have their desired speed. But if we
Speaker 2: could visualize it, and not everybody can, but if you can, great,
Speaker 2: And if you can't, just walk your eyes along that
Speaker 2: path in real time. And I've taken stop watches, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: this potts can take three seconds, we'll hit it. Okay,
Speaker 2: I stopped time to three seconds. Now take three seconds
Speaker 2: to visualize this pot Like, oh okay, that's real time right,
Speaker 2: So that's super helpful for speed. I think the visualizing
Speaker 2: in real time and the entry point of where it's
Speaker 2: getting in to the hole are huge to match up
Speaker 2: the line of speed.
Speaker 1: What are some drills? Give me a couple of drills
Speaker 1: for speed that you think are really really helpful.
Speaker 2: Here's here's kind of a tough one. This would be
Speaker 2: like an elite player one. But get get a chalk
Speaker 2: line or a string, find out where the uh the
Speaker 2: perfect spots hit it from. Let's say you got an
Speaker 2: eight footer, you hit the pot goes right in the middle,
Speaker 2: then go up a foot from seven feet, you know,
Speaker 2: dye that one in and then go back a foot
Speaker 2: on the same line and hit it harder. And they
Speaker 2: have to hit that one firmer so it kind of
Speaker 2: be to use your analogy, like the eight footer would
Speaker 2: be a normal putt, you know, the seven footer would
Speaker 2: be DJ speed, and the nine foot would be more
Speaker 2: brooks of speed. So that's kind of a good way
Speaker 2: to get players thinking about speed because you're using the
Speaker 2: same line. So you're not just I'm not I don't
Speaker 2: think mindless speed drills. We're just hitting twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: thirty thirty forty five, you know, just like like a
Speaker 2: ladder drill tends to work. I think we need to
Speaker 2: visualize it more because because that's going to carry over
Speaker 2: into any situation where the ladder type drills I find,
Speaker 2: you know don't don't you know have less carryover for sure.
Speaker 1: In your opinion, Name me some of the great green
Speaker 1: readers that you've seen and been exposed to in your
Speaker 1: work on on the PGA tour.
Speaker 2: I mean it's hard to quantify that for sure. I
Speaker 2: can I can tell you a couple of my guys
Speaker 2: that are great green readers, right, But.
Speaker 1: Because they're using the app, right, I mean it helps.
Speaker 2: I mean Adam Hadwarms a great I feel like Adam
Speaker 2: Hadams a great Green reader. But we've done a lot,
Speaker 2: Like we shouldn't say a lot of work. I just
Speaker 2: very early on the relationship. I just got to start
Speaker 2: visualizing in real time, right, and that's super helpful. Right,
Speaker 2: there's a there's definitely some good Green Readers, but I
Speaker 2: feel like it's it's something that can come and go,
Speaker 2: and they might be great at certain courses where they've
Speaker 2: got a great feel for that course and it and
Speaker 2: it doesn't translate well into into different courses. That's a
Speaker 2: good question. Brooks is good. I'm sorry, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He's good. Obviously, Bryson's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bryson's good because Bryson actually will go and spend
Speaker 1: hours upon hours upon hours on trying to pick apart
Speaker 1: every part of his game. He does it with his
Speaker 1: short game, he does it with his long game, he
Speaker 1: does it with his driving, and then he does it
Speaker 1: with his pudding. I mean, he's got the launch monitor
Speaker 1: out there putting to no hole trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how forward to hit everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at I feel like, if if
Speaker 2: you look at somebody like Maverick McNeely is obviously very good,
Speaker 2: very good Green Reader. I feel like it's one of
Speaker 2: those things too, where if you put more effort into
Speaker 2: reading green, like into training your green reading, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get better at it, right. And I feel like some
Speaker 2: people just throw their hands and say, oh no, it's
Speaker 2: just feel, you know. And when somebody tells me, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just feel, you know, in my head, I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: you're kind of lazy, right, Like, Like you know, let's
Speaker 2: say you talk about like Dustin, like he's got his
Speaker 2: tear drop out there and he's putting along the lines
Speaker 2: and and that's training your green reading too, right because
Speaker 2: he seeing you putting in different spots, different different days
Speaker 2: like that, that's you know that that's working. You see
Speaker 2: a big difference. You don't go to many smaller PG
Speaker 2: tour events. You see a big difference from the elite
Speaker 2: players preparation to the average PG tour players preparation. Right,
Speaker 2: so you know it's like anything else, we prepare better,
Speaker 2: we were gonna play better. And you know, if I
Speaker 2: can make a quick pitch on my phone from my
Speaker 2: from my app, rather go for it. I've got this
Speaker 2: this cool little seventy five pot drill they can spread
Speaker 2: out over you know, one, two, three, four sessions that legit,
Speaker 2: everybody gets much better reading greens from and then I
Speaker 2: would think too, it's funner if if we're playing golf
Speaker 2: and every pot we hit we don't go down a
Speaker 2: rabbit hole I pushed or pulled it. I'm gonna change
Speaker 2: my stroke because you if you missed two left and
Speaker 2: you automatically think you pulled it, well, now you're you're
Speaker 2: gonna be on the third green taking a bunch of
Speaker 2: practice strokes over the flag stick, trying to fix your
Speaker 2: stroke when and now you're probably gonna push the next
Speaker 2: one and the only way it's going to go in
Speaker 2: is if it's a you know, a right to left
Speaker 2: her and you underret, you know, you under red and
Speaker 2: you push and it went in. Then you think you
Speaker 2: fix your stroke. That's why I feel like people don't
Speaker 2: get better better, like people get better at everything else,
Speaker 2: Like people get much better at driving the golf ball,
Speaker 2: people get much better at hitting bunker shots. You know,
Speaker 2: the slowest skill to acchoire and golf by far up
Speaker 2: till now has been green reading.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's it is this skill, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people think that. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: I teach Marina Alex on the Ladies Tour and she played.
Speaker 1: She had a chance to win a tournament early last year,
Speaker 1: she was in the final group she played with Leona Maguire,
Speaker 1: didn't get it done. Leona basically putted her off the
Speaker 1: golf course and she said to me afterwards, she's like, listen,
Speaker 1: I've been on tour for ten fifteen years now. She's like,
Speaker 1: I have never seen anybody be able to read greens
Speaker 1: like that. So I think what every but he thinks
Speaker 1: is it's a skill that's instinctive that you were born with.
Speaker 1: And I think the cool thing about the app that
Speaker 1: you've created is you're like, Okay, if you weren't blessed
Speaker 1: with just instinctive, incredible green reading skills, there is a
Speaker 1: way to practice it. And I think it's interesting that
Speaker 1: you've You've said that you listen and I've seen it,
Speaker 1: and I've seen players get better drive in the golf ball,
Speaker 1: have their iron game, have their short game improve. But historically,
Speaker 1: you know, green reading has been probably the least trained
Speaker 1: worked on thing possible, and I think it was a
Speaker 1: lot of I mean, obviously, Ralph, if you're not good
Speaker 1: at something and you don't have any positive feedback from
Speaker 1: it as a player, you're not going to do it
Speaker 1: right if you if you're bad at reading greens and
Speaker 1: you go over and you say to it yourself, okay.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's so important and why
Speaker 1: you know, you and I have been talking for you know,
Speaker 1: two or three months now to get you on not
Speaker 1: only to pitch the app, but also you and I
Speaker 1: are in the same business, right. We want golfers to
Speaker 1: get better, right, we want golfers to improve, and it's
Speaker 1: so frustrating fun, Yeah, it's so frustrating to see players
Speaker 1: consistently struggle. So I think historically people don't practice green
Speaker 1: reading because I don't think they have any idea what
Speaker 1: the hell they're supposed to be doing to read greens. Anyway,
Speaker 1: They plumb bob it, they do the line stuff. And again,
Speaker 1: I think golfers, a lot of golfers listening just do
Speaker 1: what they see elite tour players do on television and
Speaker 1: it works for them. But if it doesn't work for
Speaker 1: you on Saturday afternoon when you're out there, it's not
Speaker 1: like you're going to go practice that some more. You're
Speaker 1: just gonna go, Okay, I'm gonna go worry about the stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm good at right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, we like to practice or we're
Speaker 2: good at it. Like I said, there's just a super
Speaker 2: easy way to practice your green reading. If you think
Speaker 2: about getting if you think about lowering your score, like
Speaker 2: if we want to hit it further, like do we
Speaker 2: really want to wake up earlier and go to yoga?
Speaker 2: You know, do do we really want to you know,
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, it's better, but wow, you can get
Speaker 2: better at reading greens. You can knock you know, we've
Speaker 2: done studies and like people can knock off you know,
Speaker 2: lots of strokes in a hurry, like like the average
Speaker 2: PG tour player I've worked with, you know, has picked
Speaker 2: up point five strokes that gained with his putting right,
Speaker 2: which means.
Speaker 1: A lot, which is massive massive.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, it's it's big. And also I mean
Speaker 2: statistically they'll you know, driving the ball is better, you know,
Speaker 2: it's more important rather than putting. But you know, you
Speaker 2: don't see people higher. You don't see people you know,
Speaker 2: fifth pumping after drive very often right there, they're typically
Speaker 2: fifth pumping after after a plot. And you know, I
Speaker 2: still want to do to study. I haven't done you Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: if you make a seven foot ten inch pot. How
Speaker 2: do you think you hit your drive on a pole
Speaker 2: compared to if you miss that seven foot ten? In sure,
Speaker 2: you've watched a lot of golf, you know, aren't people
Speaker 2: in a better mood? Aren't they more confident, you know,
Speaker 2: when they after they made a put rather when they missed.
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, I mean for sure, and I do
Speaker 1: think you know, it's the same thing, like it dovetails. Right,
Speaker 1: if if you drive it pretty good, your iron game
Speaker 1: gets better, right Like, even if your distance doesn't improve
Speaker 1: off the tee, right, even if you don't drive it
Speaker 1: three hundred yards off the tee, but if you hit
Speaker 1: the ball in the fairway, your iron game is going
Speaker 1: to get better because your confidence is going up. Because
Speaker 1: you're hitting the ball from the middle of the fairway,
Speaker 1: You've got a much better chance to have a flat
Speaker 1: lie from the from the fairway than you do if
Speaker 1: you're over in the trees, if you're over in the
Speaker 1: rough and all of that. I think that you're right.
Speaker 1: That is, if you hold more, if you hold a
Speaker 1: seven foot for bar, you're dying to get to the
Speaker 1: next tee to go put it in the ground and
Speaker 1: hit a drive.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, you know, when you're pinting, Well, you just
Speaker 2: can't wait to get to the next green, right, So
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, let's get this ball in the greens.
Speaker 2: Here's strokes as possible. I want a chance at Birdier,
Speaker 2: you know, so it's super important. I think it's funner.
Speaker 2: I think I think if if there are so many
Speaker 2: people could take out of this. Though, from my point
Speaker 2: would be like, hey, like, like, if you miss a putt,
Speaker 2: let's assume it was a misread, right, because then you're
Speaker 2: working on green reads something you can And by the way,
Speaker 2: if I feel like if you misread a putt, it's
Speaker 2: not going to hurt your confidence. If you think you
Speaker 2: pulled it, what do you do in the next hole?
Speaker 2: You intentionally push it? Like that's that's a real challenge
Speaker 2: when people come to be like hey, Ralph, I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm pulling every fifth putt, Like, well, we can't
Speaker 2: start pushing them otherwise you're going to be missing four
Speaker 2: of them right instead of one of them left. Right.
Speaker 2: So it's just an easy way for people to get
Speaker 2: better at any level. And it's been a lot of
Speaker 2: fun for sure.
Speaker 1: Different speeds of greens, right, I mean, obviously the greens
Speaker 1: I'm at the US Open this week. The green speeds
Speaker 1: at the US Open historically versus what the majority of
Speaker 1: golfers playing golf all over the world or going to
Speaker 1: putt on, are going to be vastly different.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The greens that August National during the Masters are going
Speaker 1: to be a speed at which the average golfer will
Speaker 1: never put on greens like that. So when you are
Speaker 1: a player, and you're a recreational golfer, right, and you're
Speaker 1: just going from course to course, right, And how can
Speaker 1: players adjust to slow greens? Some days? Because I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a girl that I teach that's a very good player,
Speaker 1: and she, you know, she's a member at a country
Speaker 1: club where the greens are always great. When she comes
Speaker 1: up to my place, the greens are running eleven twelve.
Speaker 1: All the courses that she practices on are tour caliber greens, right.
Speaker 1: And then she goes and plays in junior golf tournaments
Speaker 1: and amateur golf tournaments and the greens are flat and
Speaker 1: they're running at nine and they're not good. So how
Speaker 1: can players adjust to speed of the greens because it's
Speaker 1: never going to be the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way of doing it. Most people
Speaker 2: are pretty comfort for saying it. Most people are pretty
Speaker 2: comfortable with what they see on TV. They're used to watching.
Speaker 2: You know, the PG tour. PG tour average about eleven.
Speaker 2: You know stim stems about eleven. Uh, you know your place,
Speaker 2: let's say eleven twelve. The average let's say golf course,
Speaker 2: like municipal golf course, probably around nine. Right, So if
Speaker 2: you think about we use ten as kind of a base,
Speaker 2: because ten would probably be a decent average for most
Speaker 2: golf courses. If you're on slow greens, nine, nine are
Speaker 2: gonna break ten percent less than ten. Right. If you're
Speaker 2: in eleven, they're gonna break ten percent more than than ten. Right.
Speaker 2: If you're on twelve, it's gonna break twenty more than ten.
Speaker 2: So I feel like if you could have get comfortble
Speaker 2: whatever speed you're used to. Let's say she's used to eleven,
Speaker 2: that's great. If she goes to a nine, she doesn't
Speaker 2: have to take twenty percent break off her putts, which
Speaker 2: is gonna seem unusual, but that's gonna be the way
Speaker 2: to go. If I can throw a quick analogy about that,
Speaker 2: I had a player was playing I think in New Orleans,
Speaker 2: and it rained a lot Wednesday night, Right, so Thursday morning,
Speaker 2: the other golf course, you know, greens were way slower,
Speaker 2: and they'd practiced the whole time. You know, they were
Speaker 2: missing their their punch high, right, So they threw the
Speaker 2: app down with the new green speed, got there, started
Speaker 2: getting you know, adjusted to the to the new green speeds, right,
Speaker 2: and then they came in twelfth to thirteenth, had a
Speaker 2: good putting week. Couldn't have been to Orleans because it
Speaker 2: wasn't a partner one but one of those ones in
Speaker 2: the South where it can rain a decent amount. So
Speaker 2: green speed's important. It does affect it. And it's nice
Speaker 2: to have a baseline from your home club though, to
Speaker 2: go work off one way the.
Speaker 1: All right, So tell everybody how much it costs and
Speaker 1: where they can get the app.
Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate that. So the app is one hundred
Speaker 2: dollars a year. It's a subscription model. What we've it's
Speaker 2: in the app store. It's it's doing really well. What
Speaker 2: what we're putting, uh, you know, videos into it. I've
Speaker 2: coached on the PGA Tour. I first met you, I
Speaker 2: think seventeen years ago out there. We've been doing this
Speaker 2: for a while. So I've coached on the PGA Tour
Speaker 2: for seventeen years. So what I'm doing with the videos
Speaker 2: and stuff too, is trying to make it a turnkey
Speaker 2: system to teach people how to put as well, you know,
Speaker 2: because mechanics. Mechanics are important, right, So we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about ball. There'll be videos on ball, position, videos on
Speaker 2: you know. I've got some cool drills that you know,
Speaker 2: basically work for everybody. I'm gonna have about forty videos
Speaker 2: in there, and you know it, it's got an amazing
Speaker 2: way to train our green reading.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So it's one hundred dollars a year. It's it's in
Speaker 2: the app store, and it's gonna teach out to putt
Speaker 2: teach how to read greens. I'm, you know, obviously super
Speaker 2: excited about it. This has basically been my life's work, right,
Speaker 2: I've I've been a putting coach you know for the
Speaker 2: last seventeen years and PGA Tour. I'm trying to take
Speaker 2: everything I've learned in that time, you know, and and
Speaker 2: and put it in this app.
Speaker 1: And for everybody that says, oh wow, one hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a year, that's a lot of money. But if you
Speaker 1: think about how many golf balls. You lose a year
Speaker 1: if you're a fifteen to twenty handicapper. No, but seriously,
Speaker 1: if you think about how much you're spending on lose
Speaker 1: on golf balls because you're losing them and you want
Speaker 1: your scores to improve. I mean the amount of people
Speaker 1: that you know are spending on money on a new driver. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not driving it good, Let me go drive get
Speaker 1: a new driver. Hey, I'm not putting it putting it good,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go buy a new putter. Right, My iron
Speaker 1: game's bad, I'm gonna get all new irons. My bunker
Speaker 1: games bad. I'm gonna get a new wedge, right. So
Speaker 1: to me to help you learn a skill, right, that
Speaker 1: is really from a golf standpoint, you know, green reading
Speaker 1: is a life lesson, right, it is a life lesson
Speaker 1: that it is something that you can learn that will
Speaker 1: help you throughout the course of your golfing career. And
Speaker 1: you know I've tried it. You know, my guys out
Speaker 1: of Dubai, at my academy in Dubai, I mean, Ralph,
Speaker 1: they love it. I mean we're having all of our
Speaker 1: juniors do and one of the things that we've started
Speaker 1: to do is we use the app, and we we
Speaker 1: have the player read the putt first okay, and say okay, one,
Speaker 1: how far is this distance? Okay?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Two? What do you think the break, the speed and
Speaker 1: all that is going to be? And then what we
Speaker 1: do is we put the phone down, put the app down,
Speaker 1: and we don't even putt right. We don't do any putting.
Speaker 1: We just go around to various holes of various distances,
Speaker 1: because I think that's really really powerful to get people
Speaker 1: to if you are going to learn how to read greens,
Speaker 1: part of that is not putting right. Part of that
Speaker 1: is not not actually doing the task I actually want
Speaker 1: to see. Okay, is this Do you know that this
Speaker 1: is left to right or right to left? Do you
Speaker 1: know that this is uphill and downhill? I always say
Speaker 1: Ralph to players. I think it's important when you get
Speaker 1: to a putt, before you mark it, ask yourself two questions.
Speaker 1: Is it uphill or downhill? Is it left to right
Speaker 1: or is it right to left? And get that initial
Speaker 1: first read. Then go gather the data. Go gather the information,
Speaker 1: and hopefully it's going to be downhill if you thought
Speaker 1: it was downhill, and hopefully it's going to be right
Speaker 1: to left if it's right to left. And I think
Speaker 1: if the other thing that I think that helps players
Speaker 1: do Ralph is it helps him build trust. Now, if
Speaker 1: you think it's uphill and it's left to right, and
Speaker 1: it's downhill and it's right to left, and that is
Speaker 1: something that's consistent. Right, every time it's downhill, you think
Speaker 1: it's uphill, and every time it's left to right it's
Speaker 1: actually right to left. That's a completely different conversation, but
Speaker 1: I do think similar to what you were talking about,
Speaker 1: get that initial first read, then see if you're right,
Speaker 1: and then use the app to go Okay, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: actually not that bad of a green reader. I thought
Speaker 1: this was downhill. It's downhill. I thought it was left
Speaker 1: to right. It's left to right. And then you start
Speaker 1: to build that kind of trust with yourself as a player,
Speaker 1: and then we can use through your app, we can
Speaker 1: use technology to go okay, yeah you were right. Now
Speaker 1: let's get into the real minute details of how much
Speaker 1: it's downhill, how much it's breaking, and all of those things.
Speaker 1: And I just think it's been such an easy way
Speaker 1: in using your app to to help so many golfers
Speaker 1: of all different levels to just have them go oh
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I can become a better green reader
Speaker 1: and hey, I'm actually not that bad of a green reader.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's fun and take the frustration up because
Speaker 2: app to now people are like, yeah, they miss the pot.
Speaker 2: They don't know if they miss hit and misread it,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's yeah, it's it's super helpful for
Speaker 2: every person that I've tried it with.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to I want you to privately send
Speaker 1: me how many total downloads you've had, and if the
Speaker 1: number goes up, we're gonna have to talk. Ralph, We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to talk. But no, honestly, everybody listening, I
Speaker 1: think you've come up with something that is so unbelievably
Speaker 1: simple because everybody has a smartphone. Now, does it work
Speaker 1: with both with all different types of phone? Samsung, Android? Apple?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, right now, right now, it's iPhone only. We're in
Speaker 2: the process of I know, I know, I know, we're
Speaker 2: the problem is.
Speaker 1: I mean, like Steve, I mean such a Steve Jobs guy.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, Well, we've tested like the iPhone clinomors
Speaker 2: are great, and we're going through the process of testing
Speaker 2: the clinofers to the phone. But before I leave Claude.
Speaker 2: I will say, you know, with all respect, it's it's
Speaker 2: easy to see why why your students have had so
Speaker 2: much success over the year. It's been fun to watch
Speaker 2: you out and tour doing a great job covering all
Speaker 2: the bases. You know, I'm doing a you know, fun
Speaker 2: way and doing a great job. So it's been fun
Speaker 2: to watch all these hours. I appreciate the support.
Speaker 1: I always thank you so much for saying that. I
Speaker 1: always say that I learned a lot of what I
Speaker 1: know from my father, and one of the things my
Speaker 1: father said was pick good students. They make you look
Speaker 1: a lot better. So I have I have been very
Speaker 1: lucky to work with. But listen, you're doing great work.
Speaker 1: And you know I figured it seeing as a Canada
Speaker 1: I mean, big win for Canada. Nick Taylor, how good
Speaker 1: do you think a guy like Nick Taylor can be?
Speaker 1: Because I mean he's one of those guys that when
Speaker 1: you watch him and I mean he's a very good
Speaker 1: ball striker, right, I mean Nick, I mean he's a
Speaker 1: good ball striker. And do you think this can be
Speaker 1: a springboard for a guy like Nick to go? Okay,
Speaker 1: now I've wanted I won a tournament against I mean
Speaker 1: listen down the stretch. I mean Nick beat you know
Speaker 1: some really good players, including you know, someone who I
Speaker 1: think is one of the best, if at times not
Speaker 1: the best player in the world, in Rory McElroy. Do
Speaker 1: you think this is an opportunity for Nick to take
Speaker 1: this type of a win on a big stage at home,
Speaker 1: a win for Canadian golf, not only for himself. Do
Speaker 1: you think this can be a board for a kid
Speaker 1: like Nick?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Like like Nick was number one amateur in
Speaker 2: the world, right he he He's always been good. He
Speaker 2: keeps working, he's trying to get better every day. He's
Speaker 2: nails under pressure, he's smart, he's just doing great. If
Speaker 2: I could give another quick plug, you know it's Canadians.
Speaker 2: We're nice people. But we do have five players now
Speaker 2: in the top seven in the world, which has been fun. Right. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I joined our national team program in two
Speaker 2: thousand and one and been off and on with the program,
Speaker 2: and boy, if they would told us in two thousand
Speaker 2: and one when we started the national team program that
Speaker 2: you know, came to when it came open and there'd
Speaker 2: be five games in top seventy, you know, we would
Speaker 2: have been, you know, pretty happy. We wouldn't have believed it,
Speaker 2: but we would been pretty happy. So anyways, No, they're
Speaker 2: all doing great, fun fun yo. Yes, it was an
Speaker 2: unbelievable week though. For for the goal, for the key
Speaker 2: and open and again appreciate your time here, buddy. Well
Speaker 2: thanks for doing this.
Speaker 1: We've been trying to do it for a while and everybody,
Speaker 1: honestly go check out the app. It will definitely help
Speaker 1: you read greens better. Ralph, hope you get the visa
Speaker 1: issue solved and hopefully we will get to see you
Speaker 1: back in the US soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm back next week. Thanks brother.
Speaker 1: So that was Ralph Bauer talking about green reading. And
Speaker 1: I think if you struggle with green reading, if you
Speaker 1: aren't making the putts that you feel like you should
Speaker 1: be making, I think everybody's control all delete is just
Speaker 1: to go. Stroke mechanics got to be my stroke, got
Speaker 1: to be my stroke. And I promise you one hundred
Speaker 1: dollars to get this app. It's well worth it. It
Speaker 1: will help you improve and green reading. It is a skill,
Speaker 1: it is an art, but it is something that you
Speaker 1: can practice and you can get better. And if you
Speaker 1: follow this and you work with it, I think it
Speaker 1: can help you lower your scores. So it's the US
Speaker 1: Open La Country Club. I was out on the golf
Speaker 1: course today. What man, this is a uh, this is
Speaker 1: an interesting one. This is not your typical East Coast
Speaker 1: old school kind of what you're used to seeing from
Speaker 1: a US Open. There are some very very unique holes
Speaker 1: out on this golf course. It's got a pretty unique
Speaker 1: look to it. But I gotta be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I I don't know what this golf course is going
Speaker 1: to throw up. There are some incredibly long par threes.
Speaker 1: There's there's a par three on the front nine. I
Speaker 1: think it's the seventh hole, two hundred and eighty five yards.
Speaker 1: I mean that's where they were playing it today in
Speaker 1: the practice round. DJ it's to sixty five to the front,
Speaker 1: by the way, so two sixty five to the front.
Speaker 1: It was two eighty five to the whole. DJ smashed.
Speaker 1: I'm I mean just hammered a three wood and hit
Speaker 1: it in the middle of the green. Brooks had to
Speaker 1: we're out in the practice round. Brooks had to kind
Speaker 1: of hit a hammer drawl to get it into the
Speaker 1: middle of the green. There's the eleventh hole. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people have been seeing that one on
Speaker 1: Social two ninety five. Okay, it's downhill, but today it
Speaker 1: was downhill, it was into the wind. So there are
Speaker 1: some blind t shots, there are some blind approach shots.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have seen on Social
Speaker 1: that there are areas where the rough is really really thick,
Speaker 1: and then there's some areas where it's not, and then
Speaker 1: there's some holes around the green complexes where it's just
Speaker 1: it's hey, I mean, it's just if you hit it
Speaker 1: into these if you if you come up short and
Speaker 1: you're in some of these areas with this really really
Speaker 1: thick grass, or if you hit one over the green
Speaker 1: and you're on a downslope, you're staring double or triple
Speaker 1: in the face. So obviously I think if you drive
Speaker 1: it well here, you're going to have an opportunity. But
Speaker 1: I could see, I could honestly see a number of
Speaker 1: different players winning this championship, and I could see a
Speaker 1: number of different styles of golfers winning this championship. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this is an interesting one. It's going to look great
Speaker 1: on TV. If you've never been to La Country Club.
Speaker 1: It's right in the middle of Beverly Hills. There's thirty
Speaker 1: six holes one the course that the tournament's going to
Speaker 1: be played on is on one side of Wiltshire Boulevard
Speaker 1: and then the other eighteen is on the other side.
Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't find a more expensive piece of
Speaker 1: real estate to have two golf courses. I mean Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills real estate and to eighteen hole golf courses right
Speaker 1: in the middle of Beverly Hills. The weather's going to
Speaker 1: be great. We're in Los Angeles. For those of you listening,
Speaker 1: if you're on the East coast of the United States,
Speaker 1: this is going to be primetime. So I kind of
Speaker 1: like it too. Anytime the US opened out west, uh
Speaker 1: to Pebble Beach or to La or to San Diego
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago where John ram won. I
Speaker 1: think it's great and I'm excited. Uh so unique, unique
Speaker 1: golf course, and I think a lot of people are
Speaker 1: gonna be surprised by what they see. I think it's
Speaker 1: wide open, and I'm excited to see who hoists the
Speaker 1: trophy on Sunday and gets a major championship. Son of
Speaker 1: a Butcher comes to you every Wednesday, and we will
Speaker 1: see you all next week.