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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claud Harmon. We come to every Wednesday. I figured this week,

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Speaker 1: with all of the craziness going on in the world

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Speaker 1: of golf, in the world of professional golf, and all

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Speaker 1: of this talk of the PGA Tour, the PIF and live,

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Speaker 1: we own Son of a Butch would get back to

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Speaker 1: helping you improve your game. Ralph Bauer, Canadian teaching pro

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Speaker 1: short game putting guru, works on the PGA Tour. He's

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Speaker 1: worked with a number of different players. He has a

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Speaker 1: new Green reading app. You find it in the app store.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic. I helped beta test it and

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of ralphs. I think he does

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Speaker 1: really great work. But I'm always trying to find ways

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Speaker 1: that all of you listening can get better and improve

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Speaker 1: your game. Technology is a huge part of that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody that's got a smartphone iPhone you can

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Speaker 1: really use this. We talk about how the app works,

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Speaker 1: how he got started with the app, why he came

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Speaker 1: up with it. But if you want to get better

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Speaker 1: at your golf, if you want your scores to improve,

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Speaker 1: one of the easiest low hanging fruits that you can

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Speaker 1: have is to learn how to read greens better. If

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Speaker 1: you can read greens better, it will help you put better,

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Speaker 1: It'll help your distance control, it'll help your speed control.

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Speaker 1: So I been trying to get Ralph on the pod

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Speaker 1: for a couple of months now. Our schedules finally merged

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Speaker 1: and I figured with Nick Taylor winning the RBC Canadian

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Speaker 1: Open on the PGA Tour, hooped a sixty five footer

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Speaker 1: in a dramatic playoff against Tommy Fleetwood, big day for

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Speaker 1: Canadian golf. So I figured we'd get Ralph on because

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Speaker 1: Nick uses his app. So you will get a lot

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Speaker 1: out of this. If you're struggling with green reading, you're

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Speaker 1: going to want to listen to this one. Sit back

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Speaker 1: and enjoy listening to Ralph Bauer. So my guest today

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Speaker 1: is somebody that I've been trying to get on the

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Speaker 1: pod for a while. We've been juggling schedules, Ralph Bower,

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Speaker 1: Short Game Hutting Guru and Canadian So coming off of

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Speaker 1: Nick Taylor's historic win, Ralph, I figured you've done some

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Speaker 1: work with Nick Taylor.

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Speaker 3: He uses the product. We're going to talk about your

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Speaker 3: tour Red Green app. But just a quick one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what a day for Canadian golf, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: really since Mike Weir won the Masters in a playoff

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Speaker 1: with Tommy Fleetwood he hoops it from sixty five?

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Speaker 3: Was I sixty five seventy.

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Speaker 1: Feet and fourth hole of a playoff hometown, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, a really special day for Canadian golf.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, Yeah, it was. It was amazing. I mean, storybook ending.

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Speaker 2: First of all, Tommy fleet was super popular up here.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Keane has a won in seventy four years.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Mike Weir his childhood. You know, Idols is

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Speaker 2: sitting there having a beer watching the playoff, like you know,

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Speaker 2: his buddy's Corey and and Adam were there watching and

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Speaker 2: it was unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: And then in the celebration, I mean, in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight, Jim Weathers he's worked with Chess Reevey. He

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Speaker 1: actually really kind of injured Jim and it really had

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Speaker 1: a huge effect on his life. And then you know

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Speaker 1: Adam Hadwin's running on the green, you know, yeah, one

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Speaker 3: I mean the video, I mean so.

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Speaker 1: Many different angles of that video, but I saw one

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Speaker 1: today that was kind of white behind Adam's running up

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Speaker 3: Move from the NFL and takes Adam down. I thought.

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Speaker 1: Adam's wife her tweet this morning epitomizes what a Canadian is.

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Speaker 1: She said, you know, I just want to let everybody

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Speaker 1: know that Adam's still alive.

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Speaker 3: And in true Canadian.

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Speaker 1: Fashion, he apologized to the security officer for running out

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Speaker 3: You Canadians are the nicest people on the planet Earth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that he actually did apologize, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: the whole thing was crazy. And you know, the two

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Speaker 2: It is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about so the Tour Read Green app

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Speaker 1: which everybody can get, they can download and everything.

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Speaker 3: Talk to me.

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Speaker 1: About We'll talk about the app, but what was the

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Speaker 1: impetus in trying to it? Because one of the things

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Speaker 1: I've had some of the putting gurus on here, I

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Speaker 1: mean phill Ken, you who I have a tremendous amount

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Speaker 1: the best in the world talking about putting. But I've

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Speaker 1: always said Ralph that I think we as instructors have

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Speaker 1: taught putting in reverse. We teach mechanics first, and then

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Speaker 1: we teach speed and green reading, and if I'm honest,

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Speaker 3: Really teach speed or green reading, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's something that the average golfer really

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Speaker 1: really struggles with. First, before we get into why do

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Speaker 1: you think golfers struggles so much with green reading?

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Speaker 2: I think the main problem with that, The main thing

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Speaker 2: people struggle with it is because they when they miss

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Speaker 2: is a misread right, and then they're learning how the

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Speaker 2: green breaks. But we've been conditioned to think, oh, I

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Speaker 2: pushed it, I pulled that one, and that's our two options,

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Speaker 2: not I underread that, I overread that right. So I

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Speaker 2: tell people, let's get really good straight putts and then

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's why we tend to not become

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Speaker 1: Do you think also the television plays a role in this,

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Speaker 1: because every six or five or someone has for par

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Speaker 1: so if it's a left to right, if it's a

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Speaker 1: If he missed it to right, he pushed it. Sometimes,

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Speaker 1: like you said, it's just a it's it's nothing to

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Speaker 1: And I think green reading and lack of green reading,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you agree ralph has such a massive effect on

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Speaker 2: Like if you underread a putt, you always get it

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Speaker 2: you tend to have soft. So green reading and speed

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Speaker 2: control all ties in, you know, you know, big time. Right. So,

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Speaker 2: and I agree that the announcers, you know, tend to

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Speaker 2: Do you have to talk, you know, NonStop for quite

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Speaker 2: a while, right they it's it's kind of black or white.

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Speaker 2: You pushed it, you pulled it right. And there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of nuances in putting. But but green readings, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, causes way more myth puts on the PGA tour.

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Speaker 2: I've got stats, but you know it caused way more

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Speaker 1: And I also think that every every now and again,

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Speaker 1: someone on social will will post make percentages on the

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Speaker 1: that aren't. You know, tour players aren't competitive golfers. They're

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Speaker 1: just recreational golfers. They're just trying to improve their game.

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Speaker 1: They just want to get better. I think everybody is

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Speaker 1: surprised when you actually give them the data of make person.

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Speaker 1: I mean they look at a player, a PG Tour player,

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Speaker 1: and everybody thinks, oh, yeah, the PJ Tour make percentage

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Speaker 1: and it's not even close to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. Like the fifty I was playing people,

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Speaker 2: You know, it hasn't really changed in decades. And you know,

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Speaker 2: people think, like, if you took the average play from

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Speaker 2: seventy to ninety percent, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean good for people that they're confident enough to

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Speaker 2: like if you take a tour player, any good player

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Speaker 2: in a controlled environment, they're going to start out well

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Speaker 2: over ninety percent of their potts online with a proper

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Speaker 1: So the idea was to come up with a way

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Speaker 1: a way to read greens. Now I probably say, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you agree? In the last five to seven years, aim

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Speaker 1: point has been has become part of everyday vernacular with

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Speaker 1: players of all you know, skill levels, but specifically on

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Speaker 1: the PGA's tour we see a lot of players. Adam

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Speaker 1: Scott was one of the first early adopters for a

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Speaker 1: really really good elite player, a global superstar to start

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Speaker 1: doing kind of aim point and aim point express, but

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Speaker 1: you decided to take that one step further and use

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Speaker 1: technology to help train. Talk to me about the Tour

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Speaker 1: Read Green app and what it is and how you

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Speaker 1: think Ralph it can help players get better. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've had some some fantastic success this year, Tom Hogy,

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Speaker 1: who's really over the last couple of years, Ralph has

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Speaker 1: really kind of broken out. And Tom not necessarily a superstar,

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Speaker 1: PGA tour, but in using the Green Reading app on

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Speaker 1: his phone and through your help, he's really become one

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Speaker 1: of the best players in the world. And he's being

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Speaker 1: talked about having an opportunity, you know, to get on

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Speaker 1: this US Ryder Cup team going to Rome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been fun. And you know, Nick Taylor was

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Speaker 2: one of the first people to use the app. Nick

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Speaker 2: Taylor and matc Hugh's were the first two people that

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Speaker 2: we baita tested it with and Nick uses it, you

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Speaker 2: know every week, right, he loves it helps him with

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Speaker 1: you with your game. So the app uses the phones

432
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Speaker 1: internal kind of workings and GPS and everything. And then

433
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Speaker 1: so how does the player then start to match the

434
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Speaker 1: speed with the line?

435
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a great question. So what what what

436
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 2: the The app uses the clinomb like like the the

437
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 2: the like the clinometer you know in the in the

438
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: in the phone you have to put on the ground.

439
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 2: It gives you the information and then there's a whole

440
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Speaker 2: trains that built in there that the next step is

441
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: it'll give you the read like the role. It'll give

442
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 2: you the like two percent right to left, one percent uphill,

443
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 2: and then you have to guess you know how much

444
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Speaker 2: you're gonna break. Click on the button and it'll give

445
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Speaker 2: you the answer. And then the system is based on

446
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: twelve inches past speed. Right. So I've had some tour

447
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: players like, oh I look at it, you know six

448
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 2: I hit it? You know two feet pass. I've had

449
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: two players I like, hit two f pass. I'm not

450
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Speaker 2: going to change the app for you because it's not

451
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 2: gonna work like hitting two feet pass A great idea

452
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 2: on a six footter, like I don't think you actually

453
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Speaker 2: do that well.

454
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Speaker 1: Then then then Brooks kept has got no chance to

455
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Speaker 1: use this because if it's six feet and Brooks isn't

456
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: making it, he's probably got four or five feet coming back.

457
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: Brooks is just a good putter.

458
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I also think Ralph, it's important for the

459
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Speaker 1: listeners to realize that, I think everybody thinks they're supposed

460
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Speaker 1: to be a Ben Crenshaw diet in the hole on

461
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: the Last Revolution type putter. So two players that I

462
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Speaker 1: work with, Dustin Johnson. DJ is like that. DJ likes

463
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Speaker 1: to see the ball just die in. So if I

464
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Speaker 1: was going to make a criticism in AJ, his brother,

465
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Speaker 1: his caddy and I always do it. If we were

466
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Speaker 1: to criticize DJ from a putting standpoint, DJ tends to

467
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Speaker 1: leave putts short. If I was going to criticize Brooks,

468
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Speaker 1: Brooks sometimes is so aggressive that if he's got ten feet,

469
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: he might have five feet coming back if he misses it.

470
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Speaker 1: And it's funny they hate playing with each other in

471
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Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup when it's alternate shot because we'll be

472
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Speaker 1: in practice rounds Ralph and at some of the Ryder

473
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Speaker 1: Cups before and DJ will have like a fifteen footer

474
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Speaker 1: and he'll leave it short, and or Brooks will have

475
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Speaker 1: a fifteen footer and he'll run it past five feet.

476
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Speaker 1: So we were in France and DJ had like fifteen

477
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Speaker 1: feet and he hit one. Or Brooks hit one from

478
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Speaker 1: fifteen feet and ran it like five feet past, and

479
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Speaker 1: DJ said, yo, don't be doing that on Friday, and

480
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: Brooks said, hey, don't be laving at short when you

481
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Speaker 1: have a chance to make it. So, how do you

482
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Speaker 1: think is a good way that everyone listening can figure out?

483
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Speaker 1: What type of But because there's nothing wrong with being

484
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Speaker 1: an aggressive putter, right, you can be successful with being

485
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: an aggressive putter, and then you can be accessible with

486
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: having unbelievable die in the whole speed control.

487
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those two are obviously, I mean, I mean,

488
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: Brooks just want a fifth major, like it's you obviously

489
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Speaker 2: can't criticize that if you're building a player from the

490
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Speaker 2: ground up, though, you'd probably tell them twelve inch past

491
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: speed is a good you know, is a good way?

492
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: The safe zone passage, Yeah, you know, because then like it,

493
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: you know, statistically, if we're leaving pots inside ten feet

494
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: short very often, I mean, obviously we're though those are

495
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: all missed opportunities to make the put right, and if

496
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: a pretty him too hard the cap with that capture speed,

497
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: the hole gets so small that it's it's aggressive, but

498
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: the hole gets so small that it's hard to make

499
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: a lot of them too, right, So twelve inches past

500
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Speaker 2: is it's kind of a nice number. We we did

501
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: a bunch of studies on and that's pretty close to

502
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: what you'd want Sebby to do, you know, starting from scratch.

503
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Speaker 2: And then you know, I even dust and sometimes sometimes

504
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: I feel like we do get were we see those

505
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: one pots that they dying in to win something, and

506
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: you know, and we think that's how they hit hit

507
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 2: them all the time. And I know you've watched Dustin

508
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 2: play great on Sundays and you know the greens tend

509
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: to get faster on Sundays, right, And being a die

510
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: putter on a Sunday is probably a better idea than

511
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: being a die putter at your club, you know, on

512
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: a Tuesday, right, or or even for for Dustin on

513
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: a Thursday, he's got eight foot or up hill, right,

514
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: it's probably gonna be different than than it would be

515
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: on a Sunday. Right. So those guys are great, They've

516
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: got so much experience, are great A recognizing it, and

517
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: we have had some good success with players tweaking small

518
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: things at that level. Right. But the system really we

519
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: designed kind of like you you mentioned for beginners and

520
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: for average people, you know, to get to steep in

521
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: the learning curve and uh and and do it that way.

522
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: I have had a bunch of tour players who will

523
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: use it to they'll say, rough, I like to use it.

524
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: Andrew Putnam told me this because I just like to

525
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: use it because I get I get to speed the

526
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: greens down much quicker, and I can see the lines.

527
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: I know where the break is, and I can see

528
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: the lines on different speeds because every week's different speed.

529
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: And it's helped him with with with that. Just I

530
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: like the fact that different coaches, different players use it

531
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: for different reasons. Right. So that's been been a lot

532
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: of fun having I had so many great coaches who

533
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: are using it now and it's been fun to tell

534
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: them tell me how how they even using it.

535
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Speaker 1: And you just had two of the universities that that

536
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: that have bought in and use your app. We just

537
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: had him on the podcast, J C. Deacon, the head

538
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: coach at the University of Florida. They just won the

539
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: men's National championship former, I mean fellow Canuck just like you.

540
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: So obviously, if a Canadian is going to invent something,

541
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Speaker 1: you know, from a golf standpoint, I mean J. C. Deacon,

542
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean he doesn't have a choice but to support

543
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: the homeland and use it. And then the women's team

544
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: at Wake Forest. So two national championship teams both using

545
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: the app. Tell me how that relationship started and what

546
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: gains you've seen with those two programs, both on the

547
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: men's and the women's side.

548
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: It's been fun working with some of the colleges. I

549
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: was lucky enough to be able to spend a day

550
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: with JC kind of going over it, and you know Jac,

551
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: you know, they both won Coach of the Year. Jac

552
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: did a obviously great job. And you know we went

553
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 2: over green reading with Jac, like not just not just

554
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: the app, but like where to stand, Like where did

555
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: best ascertain the slope? Like some people like to straddle

556
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 2: the line. I find the problem with straddling the line is,

557
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: you know, you might feel the slope one way, but

558
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: you're looking straight down. Anytime we're looking straight down something

559
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: that's gonna look flat, So our eyes are giving us

560
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: a different message and our feed are, you know, as

561
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: I talked to JC about, because Jac, you have to

562
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: think about he's reading, you know, a lot of the

563
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: pots for his team, right like, he's out there reading potts.

564
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: Him and Dudley are out there, you know, and Dudley's got,

565
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: you know, obviously tremendous experience and played for Florida, And

566
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like Jac actually has got a

567
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: bit of advantage we talking about grain because JAC grew

568
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: up in a non grainy, you know, part of the world,

569
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: and then has been working in a grainy part of

570
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: the world. So he's kind of got got both of

571
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: those and he had to learn how to adapt, whereas

572
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: I feel like some people that grow up on grany

573
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: green that's just their vibe and then they learn how

574
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: to how to do that. But yeah, so j C,

575
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: you know, and I learned some stuff from some tricks

576
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: from JC about about reading grain too. But Jac, like

577
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: you said, we're Canadian the universe Tannessee coach, you know,

578
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: good friend of mine, Branda Webb. He jumped on board.

579
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: His guys start putting better. Jac's like, well, well, well

580
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: we can't have this. I wou't mean my guy's putting

581
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: better right, I'll be honest with the way Forest coach

582
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: ever really reached out to her. We've got like an

583
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: online but she's she's one coach here twice. I feel

584
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: like she's in when coach year again with the app

585
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: or without the app. You know, she's just obviously a

586
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: great coach, you know, with with a great team. She

587
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: signed up for online program, took the online program, and uh,

588
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: you know which which is which is cool too? I've

589
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: I think I've got about twenty colleges now who's signed

590
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: up which which has been fun? Like? And that kind

591
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: of goes back to Brooks Dustin thing. If it's kind

592
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: of easier to get a seventeen year old eighteen year olds,

593
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: you know, to buy into something that's something that's already won. Uh,

594
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: you know a lot of stuff you.

595
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: Mentioned Grain and that is something that obviously at the

596
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: elite tour level, both on the men's and the women's side,

597
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: plays an enormous role in in putting and speed control

598
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: and making pots or missing potts. For everyone listening, Ralph,

599
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: what's the easiest way give us the grain for dummies

600
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: kind of spiel on on how players listening can say, Okay,

601
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: is there grain? In this pot. What are they should

602
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: what should they be looking for? And how is that

603
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: going to affect the putt?

604
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: I think I think grain first of all. I think

605
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: grain effect affects the pot for sure. Right, So if

606
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: if you're looking at the at the color of the green,

607
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: you know, if you're in Bermuda greens. Uh So, if

608
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: you're you know, anywhere south of Tennessee and the United States,

609
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: you know in the summertime, you're gonna be on Bermuda greens.

610
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: You're gonna look for the color of the green. If

611
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: the green seems darker, it's gonna be into you. If

612
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: it's lighter, it's gonna be down grain. Right. And JC

613
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: did a good job of showing me where he reads

614
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: grain from. So he reads grain from above the like

615
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: in between the ball and the hole. Yeah, you know,

616
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: looking down at it so you can see he feels

617
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: like he can see the color better that way. And

618
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: I've been doing that actually makes a lot of sense.

619
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Speaker 2: So you know, you look at the grain on a

620
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: on the testing I've I've done on a ten foot pot,

621
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Speaker 2: if you're a cross grain, it's gonna about add about

622
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: another inch to your putt. Right, So that if you say, like, hey,

623
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: do you want to real a quick rule of thumb? Yeah,

624
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: you know, you know what I don't like. I don't

625
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: like when people say, oh, it's cross grain, I need

626
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: to add a little bit more. Our brain doesn't really

627
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: work that way, Like you know, our brain wants an

628
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: actual target to hit to right. So if it's cross grain,

629
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: another inch for every ten feet, if you got a

630
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: thirty foot air its can go three inches right. It's

631
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: got twenty first three two inches. So that's kind of

632
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: an easy way of doing it. Quick sales pitch on

633
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: the app. The app gives you like normalized data, so

634
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: it tells exactly what you can do without the grain.

635
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: But if it breaks more than that, that's how much

636
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: the grain effect of it.

637
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: So again I think a lot of people don't understand

638
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: or aren't really kind of you know, thinking about it.

639
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: If it's down grain, it's going to be faster if

640
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: it's into the grain. So it's a little bit like

641
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: a carpet. So if you brush the carpet one way,

642
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: it's going to look shiny, and if you rub it

643
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: the other way, it's going to look duller.

644
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just debscribed it better than I did, so

645
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: let's go with the carpet analogy. For sure. I'm gonna

646
00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: use that one too.

647
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Hey, you know these aren't free, So I mean, I've

648
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: got venmo if you want me to keep doing this

649
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: speed control. I mean, there are a lot of things

650
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: in golf that I think people don't practice because it's boring, right,

651
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: And it's easier to go If you go out and

652
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: you have thirty five potts and you have a bunch

653
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: of three pots, it's easier to go try and work

654
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: mechanics from five feet than it is to go putt

655
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: one ball and put thirty footers, twenty footers, fifteen footers,

656
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: all that in my instruction, Ralph, I think stroke mechanics

657
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: are always the control. All delete right, you have a

658
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: putting day, it's got to be stroke mechanics, distance control.

659
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: What are some ways that everybody listening can get better,

660
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: even if they're green. Reading is a work in progress.

661
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: But what are some drills and some things that you've

662
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: come up with that will help players with speed and

663
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: with distance control?

664
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you asked that. So you know what,

665
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: when we built the app, my initial idea was to

666
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: do the get you know, put the phone down, get

667
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: all the physics and then find out where the ball

668
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: is going to enter the hole. Right, So if we've

669
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: got a fifteen footer, we want to know the break,

670
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: but then we have to we need to speed right,

671
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: So the line's useless without the proper speed, so we

672
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: have to match line speed. So if we could think

673
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: certain thinks about where the ball is going to enter

674
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: the hole, So that should be our last thought. You know,

675
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: before we step into the pot, we know where it

676
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: started and we know where it's going to enter the hole.

677
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: So if you've got a right to left here, you're thinking, okay,

678
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: it can enter six thirty seven o'clock, seven thirty eight o'clock,

679
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: so you know, eight o'clock be pretty severe breaking pot.

680
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: You know, six thirty be you know, very very minimal break. Right,

681
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: And if we could think more about how the balls

682
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: entering the hole, our speed control will get better, right

683
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: because it now if we're thinking about where it's entering

684
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: the hole, we're visualizing it, you know, entering there, and

685
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: you know, then then our body is gonna you know, know,

686
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: how hard to hit it based on what our brain

687
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: is seeing before we before we hit it. Like, I know,

688
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: there's speed drills that all hit a ten foliot plot

689
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: at fifteen foot putt of twenty foot plot hit a

690
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: thirty foot But I don't find those super helpful. I

691
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: find it way more helpful to get people to see,

692
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: like whenever somebody plays well. And Nick Taylor said it

693
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: the other said in his interview, he said, you know,

694
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: I saw some putts going. You're always talking about, you know,

695
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: seeing things right, So like you always hear whatever good

696
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 2: player puts, well, it's because they're seeing seeing the line,

697
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: seeing the speed, seeing the ball into the hole, you know.

698
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: And and if that's what we're doing when we're putting, well,

699
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: why don't we just do that all the time.

700
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's interesting that you mentioned that that

701
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: I think golfers are visual. Maybe about ten years ago,

702
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: I think the TPI guys were the first ones to

703
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: kind of talk about linear versus non linear putters, right,

704
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: people that see straight lines and then people that see

705
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: curve lines. Right, people that see the curving into the holes.

706
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: When they stand behind a twenty footer that's breaking left

707
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: to right, they kind of see this curve in this arc.

708
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: Those would be nonlinear, and then linear putters would be Okay,

709
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: I see a straight line to where the putt is

710
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: going to break. Do you see a correlation between one

711
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: of those in terms of how would you have a

712
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: person identify that, like if they are like okay, because

713
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: I asked that question and I hear a lot of

714
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: players say to me, listen, I don't see you know,

715
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: Ben Crenshaw, Brad Faxon, they see curve right. I would

716
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: imagine Cam Smith is more visual, kind of like an artist.

717
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Cam is doing a lot of what I would think

718
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: that you were talking about. He's seeing the ball go

719
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: in in a specific way. And then there are other

720
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: putters that say, listen, okay, I know this thing breaks

721
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: left to right. I know this thing breaks right to left.

722
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put it straight to that spot and

723
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: then let gravity take over.

724
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I find it's pretty easy to tell what

725
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: they are if they're linear and not linear by by

726
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 2: what they're aiming at right. So they're saying I'm aiming

727
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 2: twelve inches out to the right, then guess what they're linear.

728
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: Like Zach Johnson, I don't understand every punch straight pot.

729
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 2: You just have to pick a spot right or left

730
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: and hit it. I don't know what you keep are

731
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: talking about curve lines everything straight. I'm like, well, okay,

732
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: well guess what, you're linear. That's great, you know, and

733
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: you know, keep keep doing that. You can't, I find

734
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: you can't turn one into the other, like you can't

735
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: turn uh, you know, an artist into a scientist and

736
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: vice vice versa. Right, So I feel like, you know,

737
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 2: it's different things for different people. The non linear people though,

738
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: they're still a new idea where it's started right, and

739
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: you know, getting a you know, a better visual for

740
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 2: them is going to be important. They did a great

741
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: job to talk about linear not linear, because it's important

742
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: because you can legit put people and there's not really

743
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: people that are in the middle. But I do think

744
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: if we could pick a spot, okay, twelve inches outside

745
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: right edge, and then even if you're linear, you can

746
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 2: still think about where that ball is can be entering

747
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: the hole, because that's gonna be how you have to

748
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: match up match the speed to that.

749
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: Line touch and speed control. And one of the things

750
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: that I do with a lot of players is I

751
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: take the hole out right the actual ball going in

752
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: the hole, So we'll go putt to an old hole

753
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: right that we can see. And I've found that that's

754
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: a really interesting way to have players see how the

755
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: ball is going, what the speed is going to be

756
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: with the ball after it would go through where the

757
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: hole is. Right, so you're putting to an old hole.

758
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: Let's say you've got a right to left putt from

759
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen feet, So the ball can't actually go

760
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: in the hole because there's no hole in the ground,

761
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: but you can still see where the old hole is

762
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: you're putting too that if it rolls into the middle

763
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: of that on a right to left putt, you would

764
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: have made that, but then you can see how the

765
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: pott is going to roll out after that. Do you

766
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: think that that's a beneficial way for people to have

767
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: an understanding as to what their speed is.

768
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. That's a great drill, and you

769
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: know a good part.

770
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: Of Venmo Another Venmo. Come on, just these are.

771
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: No this is great. So uh because I've used the

772
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 2: fake Okay, so this is dumb. I've used a fake hole.

773
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: No, no, the fake But not everybody has a fake hole, right,

774
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: I mean on tour everybody has. Everybody has one with

775
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: their manufacturer's logo on it. If you're a titleist guy,

776
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: you've got the titleist one. If you're a tailor made guy,

777
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: if you're a cobra whatever. That's my point. Not everybody

778
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: has a plastic disc that they're given out on tour, right,

779
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: you could go buy those, but you know players have too. Yeah.

780
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: So Ben Creunchall told me once that if your ball

781
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: always has the right speed, how far away from the

782
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: hole is it ever going to be? I found that

783
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: a fascinating statement because obviously Ben very much nonlinear. Yeah,

784
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: I mean he's an artist, right. Do you think that

785
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: players obsess about the read and then at times can

786
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: fall in love so much with the line that they

787
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: just forget to hit it. I mean, you've got a

788
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: fifteen footer, it's breaking right to left, You've got the

789
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: perfect read, and you leave it to roll short and

790
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: you're like, you got the read part right, but the

791
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: ball never got to the hole.

792
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: It's funny whenever you fall in love with the line

793
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: and hit the wrong speed, you always had the right line.

794
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: You do, it's the right line, but you're so happy

795
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: with that that you got to figure it out. You

796
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: completely forget to forget the distance part. Yeah. Absolutely, it

797
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: happens to everybody. But if we could think about worth

798
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: entering the hole as our last thoughts. That's gonna nullify that.

799
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: Like if you see somebody had a terrible put for

800
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: me feet, there's no way they were thinking about where

801
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 2: that ball is entering the hole. They were thinking about

802
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: the line. They were thinking about stroke mechanics. Stroke mechanics. Good, yeah,

803
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: really good one. You know, maybe they alter their pre

804
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: shot and it's making them feel uncomfortable and they're still

805
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: thinking about Hell un comfortable are from the pre shot routine,

806
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: you know, But you're right. So if we could visualize

807
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: I'm really big too. My favorite thing to do with

808
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: players is to visual have them visualize the pot at

809
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: some point their routine. It's gonna be different for everybody,

810
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: but it's going to be have them visualized the pot

811
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: in real time. So if they can, if they could,

812
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: maybe it's behind the ball and you know, when when

813
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: they're bending down looking at it, but if they could

814
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: visualize the pot in real time from where the ball

815
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 2: is to the hole, you know, it slows down as

816
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 2: enters a hole and then let's say dust and would

817
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: see it just toppling over, you know, and Brooks would

818
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 2: see it, you know, hammering into the back way. Great

819
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: they're still gonna have their desired speed. But if we

820
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 2: could visualize it, and not everybody can, but if you can, great,

821
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: And if you can't, just walk your eyes along that

822
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: path in real time. And I've taken stop watches, I'm like, okay,

823
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: this potts can take three seconds, we'll hit it. Okay,

824
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: I stopped time to three seconds. Now take three seconds

825
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: to visualize this pot Like, oh okay, that's real time right,

826
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: So that's super helpful for speed. I think the visualizing

827
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: in real time and the entry point of where it's

828
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: getting in to the hole are huge to match up

829
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: the line of speed.

830
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: What are some drills? Give me a couple of drills

831
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: for speed that you think are really really helpful.

832
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: Here's here's kind of a tough one. This would be

833
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: like an elite player one. But get get a chalk

834
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: line or a string, find out where the uh the

835
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: perfect spots hit it from. Let's say you got an

836
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: eight footer, you hit the pot goes right in the middle,

837
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: then go up a foot from seven feet, you know,

838
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: dye that one in and then go back a foot

839
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: on the same line and hit it harder. And they

840
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: have to hit that one firmer so it kind of

841
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: be to use your analogy, like the eight footer would

842
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: be a normal putt, you know, the seven footer would

843
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: be DJ speed, and the nine foot would be more

844
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: brooks of speed. So that's kind of a good way

845
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: to get players thinking about speed because you're using the

846
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: same line. So you're not just I'm not I don't

847
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: think mindless speed drills. We're just hitting twenty twenty five,

848
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: thirty thirty forty five, you know, just like like a

849
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: ladder drill tends to work. I think we need to

850
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: visualize it more because because that's going to carry over

851
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: into any situation where the ladder type drills I find,

852
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: you know don't don't you know have less carryover for sure.

853
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: In your opinion, Name me some of the great green

854
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: readers that you've seen and been exposed to in your

855
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: work on on the PGA tour.

856
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: I mean it's hard to quantify that for sure. I

857
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: can I can tell you a couple of my guys

858
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: that are great green readers, right, But.

859
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: Because they're using the app, right, I mean it helps.

860
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: I mean Adam Hadwarms a great I feel like Adam

861
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: Hadams a great Green reader. But we've done a lot,

862
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: Like we shouldn't say a lot of work. I just

863
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: very early on the relationship. I just got to start

864
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: visualizing in real time, right, and that's super helpful. Right,

865
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: there's a there's definitely some good Green Readers, but I

866
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: feel like it's it's something that can come and go,

867
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: and they might be great at certain courses where they've

868
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: got a great feel for that course and it and

869
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't translate well into into different courses. That's a

870
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: good question. Brooks is good. I'm sorry, I mean, I mean,

871
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He's good. Obviously, Bryson's good.

872
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bryson's good because Bryson actually will go and spend

873
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: hours upon hours upon hours on trying to pick apart

874
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: every part of his game. He does it with his

875
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: short game, he does it with his long game, he

876
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: does it with his driving, and then he does it

877
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: with his pudding. I mean, he's got the launch monitor

878
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: out there putting to no hole trying to figure out

879
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: how forward to hit everything.

880
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at I feel like, if if

881
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: you look at somebody like Maverick McNeely is obviously very good,

882
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: very good Green Reader. I feel like it's one of

883
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: those things too, where if you put more effort into

884
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: reading green, like into training your green reading, you're gonna

885
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 2: get better at it, right. And I feel like some

886
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: people just throw their hands and say, oh no, it's

887
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: just feel, you know. And when somebody tells me, oh,

888
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: it's just feel, you know, in my head, I'm thinking, oh,

889
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: you're kind of lazy, right, Like, Like you know, let's

890
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: say you talk about like Dustin, like he's got his

891
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: tear drop out there and he's putting along the lines

892
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: and and that's training your green reading too, right because

893
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: he seeing you putting in different spots, different different days

894
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: like that, that's you know that that's working. You see

895
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: a big difference. You don't go to many smaller PG

896
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 2: tour events. You see a big difference from the elite

897
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: players preparation to the average PG tour players preparation. Right,

898
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: so you know it's like anything else, we prepare better,

899
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: we were gonna play better. And you know, if I

900
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: can make a quick pitch on my phone from my

901
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: from my app, rather go for it. I've got this

902
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: this cool little seventy five pot drill they can spread

903
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: out over you know, one, two, three, four sessions that legit,

904
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: everybody gets much better reading greens from and then I

905
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: would think too, it's funner if if we're playing golf

906
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: and every pot we hit we don't go down a

907
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: rabbit hole I pushed or pulled it. I'm gonna change

908
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: my stroke because you if you missed two left and

909
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 2: you automatically think you pulled it, well, now you're you're

910
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: gonna be on the third green taking a bunch of

911
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: practice strokes over the flag stick, trying to fix your

912
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: stroke when and now you're probably gonna push the next

913
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: one and the only way it's going to go in

914
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: is if it's a you know, a right to left

915
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: her and you underret, you know, you under red and

916
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: you push and it went in. Then you think you

917
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: fix your stroke. That's why I feel like people don't

918
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: get better better, like people get better at everything else,

919
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: Like people get much better at driving the golf ball,

920
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: people get much better at hitting bunker shots. You know,

921
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: the slowest skill to acchoire and golf by far up

922
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: till now has been green reading.

923
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's it is this skill, and I

924
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of people think that. I mean, there's

925
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: I teach Marina Alex on the Ladies Tour and she played.

926
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: She had a chance to win a tournament early last year,

927
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: she was in the final group she played with Leona Maguire,

928
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: didn't get it done. Leona basically putted her off the

929
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: golf course and she said to me afterwards, she's like, listen,

930
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: I've been on tour for ten fifteen years now. She's like,

931
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: I have never seen anybody be able to read greens

932
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 1: like that. So I think what every but he thinks

933
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: is it's a skill that's instinctive that you were born with.

934
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: And I think the cool thing about the app that

935
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: you've created is you're like, Okay, if you weren't blessed

936
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: with just instinctive, incredible green reading skills, there is a

937
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: way to practice it. And I think it's interesting that

938
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: you've You've said that you listen and I've seen it,

939
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: and I've seen players get better drive in the golf ball,

940
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: have their iron game, have their short game improve. But historically,

941
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, green reading has been probably the least trained

942
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: worked on thing possible, and I think it was a

943
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: lot of I mean, obviously, Ralph, if you're not good

944
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: at something and you don't have any positive feedback from

945
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: it as a player, you're not going to do it

946
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: right if you if you're bad at reading greens and

947
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: you go over and you say to it yourself, okay.

948
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's so important and why

949
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, you and I have been talking for you know,

950
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: two or three months now to get you on not

951
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: only to pitch the app, but also you and I

952
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: are in the same business, right. We want golfers to

953
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: get better, right, we want golfers to improve, and it's

954
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: so frustrating fun, Yeah, it's so frustrating to see players

955
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: consistently struggle. So I think historically people don't practice green

956
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: reading because I don't think they have any idea what

957
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: the hell they're supposed to be doing to read greens. Anyway,

958
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: They plumb bob it, they do the line stuff. And again,

959
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: I think golfers, a lot of golfers listening just do

960
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: what they see elite tour players do on television and

961
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: it works for them. But if it doesn't work for

962
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: you on Saturday afternoon when you're out there, it's not

963
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: like you're going to go practice that some more. You're

964
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: just gonna go, Okay, I'm gonna go worry about the stuff.

965
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: I'm good at right.

966
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, we like to practice or we're

967
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: good at it. Like I said, there's just a super

968
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: easy way to practice your green reading. If you think

969
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: about getting if you think about lowering your score, like

970
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: if we want to hit it further, like do we

971
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: really want to wake up earlier and go to yoga?

972
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: You know, do do we really want to you know,

973
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, it's better, but wow, you can get

974
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: better at reading greens. You can knock you know, we've

975
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: done studies and like people can knock off you know,

976
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: lots of strokes in a hurry, like like the average

977
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: PG tour player I've worked with, you know, has picked

978
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: up point five strokes that gained with his putting right,

979
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 2: which means.

980
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: A lot, which is massive massive.

981
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, it's it's big. And also I mean

982
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: statistically they'll you know, driving the ball is better, you know,

983
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: it's more important rather than putting. But you know, you

984
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: don't see people higher. You don't see people you know,

985
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: fifth pumping after drive very often right there, they're typically

986
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: fifth pumping after after a plot. And you know, I

987
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: still want to do to study. I haven't done you Unfortunately,

988
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: if you make a seven foot ten inch pot. How

989
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: do you think you hit your drive on a pole

990
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: compared to if you miss that seven foot ten? In sure,

991
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: you've watched a lot of golf, you know, aren't people

992
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: in a better mood? Aren't they more confident, you know,

993
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: when they after they made a put rather when they missed.

994
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, I mean for sure, and I do

995
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: think you know, it's the same thing, like it dovetails. Right,

996
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: if if you drive it pretty good, your iron game

997
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: gets better, right Like, even if your distance doesn't improve

998
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: off the tee, right, even if you don't drive it

999
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: three hundred yards off the tee, but if you hit

1000
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: the ball in the fairway, your iron game is going

1001
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: to get better because your confidence is going up. Because

1002
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: you're hitting the ball from the middle of the fairway,

1003
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: You've got a much better chance to have a flat

1004
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: lie from the from the fairway than you do if

1005
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: you're over in the trees, if you're over in the

1006
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: rough and all of that. I think that you're right.

1007
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: That is, if you hold more, if you hold a

1008
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: seven foot for bar, you're dying to get to the

1009
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: next tee to go put it in the ground and

1010
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: hit a drive.

1011
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, you know, when you're pinting, Well, you just

1012
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: can't wait to get to the next green, right, So

1013
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, let's get this ball in the greens.

1014
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: Here's strokes as possible. I want a chance at Birdier,

1015
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: you know, so it's super important. I think it's funner.

1016
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: I think I think if if there are so many

1017
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 2: people could take out of this. Though, from my point

1018
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: would be like, hey, like, like, if you miss a putt,

1019
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: let's assume it was a misread, right, because then you're

1020
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: working on green reads something you can And by the way,

1021
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: if I feel like if you misread a putt, it's

1022
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: not going to hurt your confidence. If you think you

1023
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: pulled it, what do you do in the next hole?

1024
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 2: You intentionally push it? Like that's that's a real challenge

1025
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: when people come to be like hey, Ralph, I feel

1026
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: like I'm pulling every fifth putt, Like, well, we can't

1027
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: start pushing them otherwise you're going to be missing four

1028
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: of them right instead of one of them left. Right.

1029
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: So it's just an easy way for people to get

1030
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: better at any level. And it's been a lot of

1031
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: fun for sure.

1032
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: Different speeds of greens, right, I mean, obviously the greens

1033
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm at the US Open this week. The green speeds

1034
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: at the US Open historically versus what the majority of

1035
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: golfers playing golf all over the world or going to

1036
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: putt on, are going to be vastly different.

1037
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 2: Right.

1038
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: The greens that August National during the Masters are going

1039
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: to be a speed at which the average golfer will

1040
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: never put on greens like that. So when you are

1041
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: a player, and you're a recreational golfer, right, and you're

1042
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: just going from course to course, right, And how can

1043
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: players adjust to slow greens? Some days? Because I mean,

1044
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: there's a girl that I teach that's a very good player,

1045
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: and she, you know, she's a member at a country

1046
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: club where the greens are always great. When she comes

1047
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: up to my place, the greens are running eleven twelve.

1048
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: All the courses that she practices on are tour caliber greens, right.

1049
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: And then she goes and plays in junior golf tournaments

1050
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: and amateur golf tournaments and the greens are flat and

1051
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: they're running at nine and they're not good. So how

1052
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: can players adjust to speed of the greens because it's

1053
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: never going to be the same.

1054
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way of doing it. Most people

1055
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: are pretty comfort for saying it. Most people are pretty

1056
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 2: comfortable with what they see on TV. They're used to watching.

1057
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: You know, the PG tour. PG tour average about eleven.

1058
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: You know stim stems about eleven. Uh, you know your place,

1059
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: let's say eleven twelve. The average let's say golf course,

1060
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: like municipal golf course, probably around nine. Right, So if

1061
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: you think about we use ten as kind of a base,

1062
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: because ten would probably be a decent average for most

1063
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: golf courses. If you're on slow greens, nine, nine are

1064
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: gonna break ten percent less than ten. Right. If you're

1065
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: in eleven, they're gonna break ten percent more than than ten. Right.

1066
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: If you're on twelve, it's gonna break twenty more than ten.

1067
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: So I feel like if you could have get comfortble

1068
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: whatever speed you're used to. Let's say she's used to eleven,

1069
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 2: that's great. If she goes to a nine, she doesn't

1070
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: have to take twenty percent break off her putts, which

1071
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: is gonna seem unusual, but that's gonna be the way

1072
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 2: to go. If I can throw a quick analogy about that,

1073
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: I had a player was playing I think in New Orleans,

1074
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: and it rained a lot Wednesday night, Right, so Thursday morning,

1075
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: the other golf course, you know, greens were way slower,

1076
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: and they'd practiced the whole time. You know, they were

1077
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: missing their their punch high, right, So they threw the

1078
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 2: app down with the new green speed, got there, started

1079
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: getting you know, adjusted to the to the new green speeds, right,

1080
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: and then they came in twelfth to thirteenth, had a

1081
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: good putting week. Couldn't have been to Orleans because it

1082
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: wasn't a partner one but one of those ones in

1083
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: the South where it can rain a decent amount. So

1084
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: green speed's important. It does affect it. And it's nice

1085
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: to have a baseline from your home club though, to

1086
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 2: go work off one way the.

1087
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: All right, So tell everybody how much it costs and

1088
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: where they can get the app.

1089
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate that. So the app is one hundred

1090
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: dollars a year. It's a subscription model. What we've it's

1091
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 2: in the app store. It's it's doing really well. What

1092
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 2: what we're putting, uh, you know, videos into it. I've

1093
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: coached on the PGA Tour. I first met you, I

1094
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: think seventeen years ago out there. We've been doing this

1095
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 2: for a while. So I've coached on the PGA Tour

1096
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 2: for seventeen years. So what I'm doing with the videos

1097
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: and stuff too, is trying to make it a turnkey

1098
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: system to teach people how to put as well, you know,

1099
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: because mechanics. Mechanics are important, right, So we're gonna talk

1100
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: about ball. There'll be videos on ball, position, videos on

1101
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: you know. I've got some cool drills that you know,

1102
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: basically work for everybody. I'm gonna have about forty videos

1103
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: in there, and you know it, it's got an amazing

1104
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 2: way to train our green reading.

1105
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: Right.

1106
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: So it's one hundred dollars a year. It's it's in

1107
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: the app store, and it's gonna teach out to putt

1108
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: teach how to read greens. I'm, you know, obviously super

1109
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: excited about it. This has basically been my life's work, right,

1110
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: I've I've been a putting coach you know for the

1111
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: last seventeen years and PGA Tour. I'm trying to take

1112
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: everything I've learned in that time, you know, and and

1113
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: and put it in this app.

1114
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: And for everybody that says, oh wow, one hundred dollars

1115
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: a year, that's a lot of money. But if you

1116
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: think about how many golf balls. You lose a year

1117
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: if you're a fifteen to twenty handicapper. No, but seriously,

1118
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: if you think about how much you're spending on lose

1119
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: on golf balls because you're losing them and you want

1120
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: your scores to improve. I mean the amount of people

1121
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: that you know are spending on money on a new driver. Hey,

1122
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm not driving it good, Let me go drive get

1123
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: a new driver. Hey, I'm not putting it putting it good,

1124
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go buy a new putter. Right, My iron

1125
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: game's bad, I'm gonna get all new irons. My bunker

1126
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: games bad. I'm gonna get a new wedge, right. So

1127
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: to me to help you learn a skill, right, that

1128
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: is really from a golf standpoint, you know, green reading

1129
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: is a life lesson, right, it is a life lesson

1130
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: that it is something that you can learn that will

1131
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: help you throughout the course of your golfing career. And

1132
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: you know I've tried it. You know, my guys out

1133
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: of Dubai, at my academy in Dubai, I mean, Ralph,

1134
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: they love it. I mean we're having all of our

1135
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: juniors do and one of the things that we've started

1136
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: to do is we use the app, and we we

1137
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: have the player read the putt first okay, and say okay, one,

1138
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: how far is this distance? Okay?

1139
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: Right?

1140
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: Two? What do you think the break, the speed and

1141
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: all that is going to be? And then what we

1142
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: do is we put the phone down, put the app down,

1143
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: and we don't even putt right. We don't do any putting.

1144
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: We just go around to various holes of various distances,

1145
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: because I think that's really really powerful to get people

1146
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: to if you are going to learn how to read greens,

1147
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: part of that is not putting right. Part of that

1148
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: is not not actually doing the task I actually want

1149
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: to see. Okay, is this Do you know that this

1150
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: is left to right or right to left? Do you

1151
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: know that this is uphill and downhill? I always say

1152
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: Ralph to players. I think it's important when you get

1153
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: to a putt, before you mark it, ask yourself two questions.

1154
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: Is it uphill or downhill? Is it left to right

1155
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: or is it right to left? And get that initial

1156
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: first read. Then go gather the data. Go gather the information,

1157
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: and hopefully it's going to be downhill if you thought

1158
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: it was downhill, and hopefully it's going to be right

1159
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: to left if it's right to left. And I think

1160
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: if the other thing that I think that helps players

1161
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: do Ralph is it helps him build trust. Now, if

1162
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: you think it's uphill and it's left to right, and

1163
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: it's downhill and it's right to left, and that is

1164
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: something that's consistent. Right, every time it's downhill, you think

1165
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: it's uphill, and every time it's left to right it's

1166
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: actually right to left. That's a completely different conversation, but

1167
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: I do think similar to what you were talking about,

1168
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: get that initial first read, then see if you're right,

1169
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: and then use the app to go Okay, yeah, I'm

1170
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: actually not that bad of a green reader. I thought

1171
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: this was downhill. It's downhill. I thought it was left

1172
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: to right. It's left to right. And then you start

1173
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: to build that kind of trust with yourself as a player,

1174
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: and then we can use through your app, we can

1175
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: use technology to go okay, yeah you were right. Now

1176
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: let's get into the real minute details of how much

1177
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: it's downhill, how much it's breaking, and all of those things.

1178
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: And I just think it's been such an easy way

1179
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: in using your app to to help so many golfers

1180
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: of all different levels to just have them go oh

1181
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I can become a better green reader

1182
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: and hey, I'm actually not that bad of a green reader.

1183
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's fun and take the frustration up because

1184
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: app to now people are like, yeah, they miss the pot.

1185
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: They don't know if they miss hit and misread it,

1186
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: you know. So it's yeah, it's it's super helpful for

1187
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: every person that I've tried it with.

1188
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: Well, I want to I want you to privately send

1189
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: me how many total downloads you've had, and if the

1190
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: number goes up, we're gonna have to talk. Ralph, We're

1191
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to talk. But no, honestly, everybody listening, I

1192
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: think you've come up with something that is so unbelievably

1193
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: simple because everybody has a smartphone. Now, does it work

1194
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: with both with all different types of phone? Samsung, Android? Apple?

1195
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 3: No?

1196
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: No, right now, right now, it's iPhone only. We're in

1197
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: the process of I know, I know, I know, we're

1198
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: the problem is.

1199
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: I mean, like Steve, I mean such a Steve Jobs guy.

1200
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 2: Come on, man, Well, we've tested like the iPhone clinomors

1201
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: are great, and we're going through the process of testing

1202
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: the clinofers to the phone. But before I leave Claude.

1203
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: I will say, you know, with all respect, it's it's

1204
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: easy to see why why your students have had so

1205
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: much success over the year. It's been fun to watch

1206
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: you out and tour doing a great job covering all

1207
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: the bases. You know, I'm doing a you know, fun

1208
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: way and doing a great job. So it's been fun

1209
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: to watch all these hours. I appreciate the support.

1210
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: I always thank you so much for saying that. I

1211
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: always say that I learned a lot of what I

1212
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: know from my father, and one of the things my

1213
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: father said was pick good students. They make you look

1214
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: a lot better. So I have I have been very

1215
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: lucky to work with. But listen, you're doing great work.

1216
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: And you know I figured it seeing as a Canada

1217
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean, big win for Canada. Nick Taylor, how good

1218
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: do you think a guy like Nick Taylor can be?

1219
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: Because I mean he's one of those guys that when

1220
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: you watch him and I mean he's a very good

1221
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: ball striker, right, I mean Nick, I mean he's a

1222
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: good ball striker. And do you think this can be

1223
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: a springboard for a guy like Nick to go? Okay,

1224
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: now I've wanted I won a tournament against I mean

1225
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: listen down the stretch. I mean Nick beat you know

1226
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: some really good players, including you know, someone who I

1227
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: think is one of the best, if at times not

1228
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: the best player in the world, in Rory McElroy. Do

1229
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: you think this is an opportunity for Nick to take

1230
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: this type of a win on a big stage at home,

1231
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: a win for Canadian golf, not only for himself. Do

1232
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: you think this can be a board for a kid

1233
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: like Nick?

1234
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Like like Nick was number one amateur in

1235
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: the world, right he he He's always been good. He

1236
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 2: keeps working, he's trying to get better every day. He's

1237
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 2: nails under pressure, he's smart, he's just doing great. If

1238
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: I could give another quick plug, you know it's Canadians.

1239
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: We're nice people. But we do have five players now

1240
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: in the top seven in the world, which has been fun. Right. So,

1241
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 2: you know, I joined our national team program in two

1242
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 2: thousand and one and been off and on with the program,

1243
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: and boy, if they would told us in two thousand

1244
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: and one when we started the national team program that

1245
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: you know, came to when it came open and there'd

1246
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: be five games in top seventy, you know, we would

1247
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: have been, you know, pretty happy. We wouldn't have believed it,

1248
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: but we would been pretty happy. So anyways, No, they're

1249
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: all doing great, fun fun yo. Yes, it was an

1250
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: unbelievable week though. For for the goal, for the key

1251
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: and open and again appreciate your time here, buddy. Well

1252
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: thanks for doing this.

1253
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: We've been trying to do it for a while and everybody,

1254
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 1: honestly go check out the app. It will definitely help

1255
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: you read greens better. Ralph, hope you get the visa

1256
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: issue solved and hopefully we will get to see you

1257
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: back in the US soon.

1258
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm back next week. Thanks brother.

1259
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: So that was Ralph Bauer talking about green reading. And

1260
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: I think if you struggle with green reading, if you

1261
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: aren't making the putts that you feel like you should

1262
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: be making, I think everybody's control all delete is just

1263
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: to go. Stroke mechanics got to be my stroke, got

1264
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: to be my stroke. And I promise you one hundred

1265
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: dollars to get this app. It's well worth it. It

1266
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: will help you improve and green reading. It is a skill,

1267
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: it is an art, but it is something that you

1268
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: can practice and you can get better. And if you

1269
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: follow this and you work with it, I think it

1270
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: can help you lower your scores. So it's the US

1271
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: Open La Country Club. I was out on the golf

1272
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: course today. What man, this is a uh, this is

1273
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: an interesting one. This is not your typical East Coast

1274
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: old school kind of what you're used to seeing from

1275
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: a US Open. There are some very very unique holes

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Speaker 1: out on this golf course. It's got a pretty unique

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Speaker 1: look to it. But I gotta be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I I don't know what this golf course is going

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Speaker 1: to throw up. There are some incredibly long par threes.

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Speaker 1: There's there's a par three on the front nine. I

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Speaker 1: think it's the seventh hole, two hundred and eighty five yards.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's where they were playing it today in

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Speaker 1: the practice round. DJ it's to sixty five to the front,

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Speaker 1: by the way, so two sixty five to the front.

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Speaker 1: It was two eighty five to the whole. DJ smashed.

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Speaker 1: I'm I mean just hammered a three wood and hit

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Speaker 1: it in the middle of the green. Brooks had to

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Speaker 1: we're out in the practice round. Brooks had to kind

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Speaker 1: of hit a hammer drawl to get it into the

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Speaker 1: middle of the green. There's the eleventh hole. I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have been seeing that one on

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Speaker 1: Social two ninety five. Okay, it's downhill, but today it

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Speaker 1: was downhill, it was into the wind. So there are

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Speaker 1: some blind t shots, there are some blind approach shots.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have seen on Social

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Speaker 1: that there are areas where the rough is really really thick,

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Speaker 1: and then there's some areas where it's not, and then

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Speaker 1: there's some holes around the green complexes where it's just

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Speaker 1: it's hey, I mean, it's just if you hit it

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Speaker 1: into these if you if you come up short and

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Speaker 1: you're in some of these areas with this really really

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Speaker 1: thick grass, or if you hit one over the green

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Speaker 1: and you're on a downslope, you're staring double or triple

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Speaker 1: in the face. So obviously I think if you drive

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Speaker 1: it well here, you're going to have an opportunity. But

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Speaker 1: I could see, I could honestly see a number of

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Speaker 1: different players winning this championship, and I could see a

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Speaker 1: number of different styles of golfers winning this championship. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is an interesting one. It's going to look great

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Speaker 1: on TV. If you've never been to La Country Club.

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Speaker 1: It's right in the middle of Beverly Hills. There's thirty

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Speaker 1: six holes one the course that the tournament's going to

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Speaker 1: be played on is on one side of Wiltshire Boulevard

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Speaker 1: and then the other eighteen is on the other side.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't find a more expensive piece of

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Speaker 1: real estate to have two golf courses. I mean Beverly

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Speaker 1: Hills real estate and to eighteen hole golf courses right

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Speaker 1: in the middle of Beverly Hills. The weather's going to

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Speaker 1: be great. We're in Los Angeles. For those of you listening,

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Speaker 1: if you're on the East coast of the United States,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be primetime. So I kind of

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Speaker 1: like it too. Anytime the US opened out west, uh

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Speaker 1: to Pebble Beach or to La or to San Diego

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago where John ram won. I

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Speaker 1: think it's great and I'm excited. Uh so unique, unique

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Speaker 1: golf course, and I think a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: gonna be surprised by what they see. I think it's

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Speaker 1: wide open, and I'm excited to see who hoists the

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Speaker 1: trophy on Sunday and gets a major championship. Son of

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Speaker 1: a Butcher comes to you every Wednesday, and we will

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Speaker 1: see you all next week.