1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young mom, Stephanie 2 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: Eldridge seemingly vanishes into thin air. Where is Stephanie? What happened? 3 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: What a horrible question to be asking? What if you 4 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: come home from work one day or like me, and 5 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: suddenly Davey's just gone and there's no trace and I 6 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: see his cell phone and his car keys sitting there, 7 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: So where is he? What do you do when that happens? 8 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The twenty one year old 9 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: disappeared from her Idaho Falls apartment. Just a beautiful, beautiful 10 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: young lady. The mother of four vanished on a warm 11 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: August night, Her baby left behind in the apartment, along 12 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: with Stephanie's phone, car keys, purse, and shoes. There is 13 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: several items that was left behind. The indicated there was 14 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: fould play involved. Well, I guess so, guys, you're hearing 15 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: our good friend Nate eat at East Idaho News dot Com. Yeah, 16 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: none of that makes sense. Who would leave the baby 17 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: at home unattended with the cell phone, the car keys, 18 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: the purse and the shoes all still there. Of course, 19 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: most women have more than one pair of shoes. That 20 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: doesn't tell me anything but the baby speaks volumes with 21 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: me an all star panel to try to apply logic 22 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: to an illogical situation in the search for twenty one 23 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: year old Stephanie Eldris, Beautiful on the outside and the inside. 24 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, veteran trial lawyer, joining me out of North Carolina. 25 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 1: You can find her at NC Domestic Law dot com. 26 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: That's se mystery to me. Why do they call husbands 27 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: and wives fighting like two wit kats in a barrel? Domestic? 28 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: That's for you, Kathleen, not for me. I prefer something 29 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: with yellow crime scene tape around it. Doctor Bethany Marshall 30 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: renounced psychoanalysts, joining us from LA. She said, doctor Bethany 31 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. And she's starring a new Netflix hit, 32 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: Bling Empire. Greg Smith, you know his name well, Special 33 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: Deputy Sheriff, Johnson County Sheriff's Office, Executive director of the 34 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: Kelsey Smith Foundation. You can find that at Kelsey's Army 35 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: dot com. I've learned a lot there. Greg Smith, Professor forensics, 36 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author a Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, 37 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: star of a new hit series on the True crime network, 38 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaison's death investigator joining me Joseph Scott Morgan, but 39 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: first straight out to our friend Eric Grossarth, joining us 40 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: from East Idaho News dot com. You can find him 41 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: on Insta and Twitter at Eric Grosarth. Eric, let's just 42 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: start at the beginning. Tell me about Idaho Falls. Idaho 43 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: Falls is just a nice, calm, quiet community, lots of families, 44 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: kids running around in the streets. It's it's not a 45 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: place that bad things happen. I mean people around here 46 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: leave their doors unlocked. Quite frankly, Wow, it kind of 47 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: sounds like where I grew up, Eric GROSSARTHI population in 48 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: Idaho Falls is a little over sixty one thousand by 49 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: the last census. And you know, doctor Bethany Marshall and 50 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: Jessica Morgan, you've heard me talk at nauseum about our 51 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: families last RV trip where we retrace the Lewis and 52 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: Clark trail. Yes, we did. This is part of that. 53 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: So that's how I know a little bit about Idaho Falls. 54 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: In fact, they have a museum there that's almost completely 55 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: dedicated to Lewis and Clark. And if you remember the 56 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: significance of this is Lewis and Clark went through the 57 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: wilderness to get from A to B and they went 58 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: through Idaho Falls. It's absolutely stunning country, but it is country. 59 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: What does that mean to me, doctor Bethany Marshall, as 60 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about the disappearance of a young woman, it 61 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: means low crime rate. You're gonna have a lot higher 62 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: crime rate and possibility of kidnap, rape, disappearance if you're 63 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: in a concentrated area like New York, New Jersey, Atlanta, Philly. 64 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: But in Idaho Falls, not a lot of people just 65 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: vanish into thin air a Bethany, Nancy, do you know 66 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: what else it means. It means families who stay together, 67 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: not two cast dispersions on big cities. But this is 68 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: not a place where a woman has an internet affair 69 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: or you know, meet somebody. I don't know what you're 70 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: talking about, because women get online and look in small 71 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: communities and meet these horrible people. I mean, yes, what 72 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: are you saying that you can't follow love online if 73 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: you live in a small town. That's just absolutely not true. 74 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying, Nancy, is that getting together 75 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: medal town. I'm going to get it together, Okay, logic, logic, 76 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is in small towns, these 77 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: communities are so close knit that families tend to be 78 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: held together by the community. You have your pastor, you 79 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: have your school teachers, you have your mother in law 80 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: or your sister living down the block. And even if 81 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: there's some form of acting out, sure it can happen 82 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: in small town just like you can in a big city. 83 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: The values I think hold people together and because of that, 84 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: it's less likely, I believe, I'd have to look at 85 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: the research that a woman is just going to meet 86 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: somebody else and abandoned her family. Know what, I'm surprised 87 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: she fed into that doctor Bethany Marshall because Greg Smith. 88 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: You know, I never get to disagree with Bethany because 89 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: she's always right. But Greg, did you hear what she 90 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: just said. It's less likely a woman's going to meet 91 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,119 Speaker 1: someone and run away with them in a small city. 92 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: But you know what drives me crazy every time a 93 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: woman goes missing, that's the first assumption she ran off 94 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: with her new boyfriend. You know what, my grandmother on 95 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: my father's side used to say, Men are like buses. 96 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: I knew one comes along every fifteen minutes, no offense. 97 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: Man Sorry Joe Scott, Sorry Greg, Sorry Eric Grossarth, But 98 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: I find it really difficult to believe. I mean, look, 99 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: consider the source. I remember when Drew Peterson said that 100 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: about his fourth wife Stacy. She went off with her boyfriend. 101 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: She's dead, her body has never been found. We hear 102 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: it over and over. Why is that, Greg? When a 103 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: woman goes missing, everyone assumes they ran off with a boyfriend. 104 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: Do they need sex that badly? They have to run 105 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: away and get it? I mean, I don't think so 106 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: you can just run down to the local motel for 107 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: what an hour and be done with it, right? So 108 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: why do you have to leave your babe behind? Why 109 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: is that always the first asception? Greg Smith? Well, I 110 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: think I think we're safe to say that leaving a 111 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: baby behind us, that's probably not what happened. That just 112 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense, particularly from what I was able 113 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: to find out about her. She has more than one child, 114 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: so obviously she's a mother that has a family, and 115 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: I don't think that she'd just take off and leave 116 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: them all behind, and that's that's a missing person cases. 117 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: Has that happened? Yes? Does it happen a lot? No? 118 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: It really doesn't. I can't really think of that many cases. 119 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: Greg Smith, Special Deputy Sheriff, Johnson County Sheriffs. You can 120 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: find him Keltzy's army dot com. Greg, I can't think 121 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: of really any cases just off the top of my 122 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: head now that we're getting into this topic where a 123 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: mom just left her children to run away with a boyfriend. 124 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right, and doctor Bethany Marshall, the baby 125 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: is the fly in that ointment. She would never just 126 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: leave the baby unattended. So there goes that theory. Nancy, 127 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: there's a baby, there's other children. But you know when 128 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: women abandoned their children, do you know what we see? 129 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: We see baby photos in the dumpster next to the house. 130 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: We see the woman giving away baby things. Remember all 131 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: the crimes we've covered where there's in fantaside, not to 132 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: compare this with in fantaside, because this would be abandoning 133 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: the children, not killing them. But there's already a dissociation 134 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: from the children in advance of leaving them, killing them, 135 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: moving away with somebody else. There's no indication that this 136 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: mother was not bonded with her baby. If so, other 137 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: people would be coming out and saying, well, she didn't 138 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: feed the baby, or you know, she went to the 139 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: pediatrician and you know the pediatrician, you know, recommended some 140 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: kind of a class or chorus or parenting training or 141 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: something like that. There is nothing like this. This is 142 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: a mother who loved her baby and was not planning 143 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: to separate from baby. That's what makes this tape so suspicious. 144 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to you. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, 145 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: a trial lawyer. You can find her at NCA Domestic 146 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: law dot com. She's just straight off a huge win 147 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: in court. You know, you gotta have some backbone to 148 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: go in court and fight like a gladiator. Kathleen Murphy, congratulations. Yeah, 149 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: I'm proud for you. But Kathleen, I just want to 150 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: point out that what we're doing right now, yes, some people, 151 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: Jackie may think we're off topic, but this is exactly 152 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: how cases are discussed at the DA's office, at the 153 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: homicide investigator's office, at the missing person's office. You talk 154 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: and it's free flow, and you think of all the 155 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: variants and then somehow you narrow it down to a theory. 156 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: Would you agree or disagree? I would absolutely agree. We've 157 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: been doing this long enough we get to know the 158 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: human nature of the type of people that come through 159 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: the system. I mean, frankly, it is down to human nature, 160 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: and you have to explore every single detail. You know. 161 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: We started off with Eric Grossarth with East Idaho News 162 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 1: dot Com talking about where is Idaho Falls and somehow 163 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: we got into a one hour stay at a motel 164 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: and Lewis and Clark and I don't know what else, 165 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: and I take full responsibility for that, but as a 166 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: trial lawyer, I'm taking the fifth Eric Grossarth, let's just 167 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: start all over. Let's start with the day that she 168 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: goes missing that we know of, Okay, what happened that day? Okay? 169 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: So Stephanie Eldridge lived in an apartment with her boyfriend, 170 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: her boyfriend's mother, and her boyfriend's half brother, Kennedy. Hold on, Jackie, 171 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: is it's true they were planning a wedding. So yes, 172 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: So that's her fiance and she lived with her fiance's family, 173 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: so they were all very very close. So you've got 174 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: the mom I know of, You've got the fiance, and 175 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: you've got the brother. Was there anybody else living there 176 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: beside her baby? From what we have in court documents, 177 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: that's who lived at the house. Okay, so what happened 178 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: that day? So what happened that day is Eldridge disappeared. 179 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: She left her keys, her purse, her shoes, and the 180 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: baby that we talked about. I hear what you're saying, 181 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: Eric grossor so she lived there in the apartment. But 182 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: the day she went missing. We've got to take a 183 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: look at who is Stephanie Eldridge. Take a listen to 184 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: our is at crime online dot com. Stephanie Eldridge had plans. 185 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: This mother of three wanted her two oldest daughters, who 186 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: were living with other family members, to join her. Family 187 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: members say her children were her pride and joy. The 188 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: twenty one year old was living with her boyfriend, Michael Jimenez, 189 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: the father of her third child, another girl. Jimenez's mother 190 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: and his half brother also lived in the home. Eldridge's 191 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: plan for the future also included continuing her education. She 192 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: was slated to attend Eastern Idaho Technical College in the 193 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: fall to begin studying to become a dental hygienist. That 194 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: was because it would allow her to make a nice 195 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: income to support her family. Her ultimate goal, according to family, 196 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: was to open her own dance studio. Humm all those 197 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: plans seemingly go up and smoke when she goes missing. 198 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: What happened to that day? Take a listen again to 199 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: our friends at crime online. The young mother vanished from 200 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: her Idaho Falls apartment on a Monday late in August. 201 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: Jimenez said the last time he saw his fiance was 202 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: around exam, when he left for work. She called him 203 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: around nine am to say she was not feeling well. 204 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: When Jimenez tried to call her back, she didn't answer. 205 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: Her boyfriend's mother, Lynette Theeson, came home around twelve thirty 206 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: that afternoon. What she found was disturbing. The four month 207 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: old baby girl was home alone, elder dies, cell phone, 208 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: car key's purse, and even her shoes were still there. 209 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: Investigators believed foul play was involved, but couldn't prove it. 210 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: So let me understand the timeline to Eric Grossarth joining 211 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: us easiaews dot com. Eric the fiance at least for work. 212 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: She Stephanie's still there with the baby. She toss to 213 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: him at nine am. We think, I guess by cell phone. 214 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: Then at twelve thirty at lunchtime, the future mother in 215 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: law comes home and finds the baby unattended and Stephanie gone, 216 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: Do I have the timeline correct? Yeah, that is what happened. 217 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: She was home with this baby, and sometime that morning 218 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: when the family left to the home, she vanished. Stephanie 219 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: vanished from the home. They find the baby there, and 220 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't one of these mothers like we've talked about 221 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: that would just leave her child here in the house. 222 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: She was wanting to care for her children. I mean, 223 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: that was her pride and joy was her daughters. And 224 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: so it was just mysterious to them, and investigators quickly 225 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: believed that foul play was involved, but they weren't able 226 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: to prove anything. Let me ask you about Michael Jimenez. 227 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: He's also the father of the baby girl. Now, how 228 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: old was the baby girl, Eric Grossharth, She she was very, 229 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: very very young. I believe she was around for four months. 230 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: So given that to you, Kathleen Murphy, a four months 231 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: old baby left at home, so we know for at 232 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: least three and a half hours, because the fiance spoke 233 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: to her at nine. The future mother in law get 234 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: home at twelve and thirty. So in those three and 235 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: a half hours, Stephanie Elders seemingly vanishes into thin air. 236 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: You can tell, Kathleen, when a baby has been unattended. Explain, 237 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: you can tell when a baby's been unattended for a minute. 238 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: At that age, they are so needing the holding of 239 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: the parents, the feeding, the burping, the coddling. It's just 240 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: such an obvious situation. If this woman has disappeared, I mean, 241 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: when these police officers or whoever came into the apartment 242 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: to find this woman missing, probably we're able to immediately 243 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: tell that this child had been abandoned. Well, I'm sure 244 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: the mother in law realized because the baby hadn't been 245 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: changed or taking care of. So let me understand something, 246 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: Eric Grossar. According to reports, the boyfriend, Michael Heimenez says 247 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: he hears from her at nine o'clock by sale, but 248 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: when everyone gets home, her cell phone is right there. Correct, Correct, 249 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: the cell phone was in the apartment, along with her purse, keys, 250 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: and the baby. So the boyfriend, oh, sorry, the boyfriend, 251 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Michael Jimenez, Eric Grossarth, do we know where he worked? 252 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: I mean, did he punch a clock? Can we make 253 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: sure he was where he said he was? Invest Getter 254 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: said that the boyfriend and the mother were both cooperative, forthcoming, 255 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: and they were able to determine that they were being 256 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: truthful when they spoke with investigators that morning when she disappeared. 257 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: To you, Greg Smith, Special Deputy Sheriff, Johnson County Sheriff's 258 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: Office in Kansas, when the cops come out at the 259 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: get go and say, boyfriend, fiance, husband, whoever the boy 260 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: the man is in the life is being cooperative, that 261 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: is a big sign to me. Normally they won't say 262 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: anything like that. If that male and the family is 263 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: under suspicion, well, it is kind of telling that he 264 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: was willing to cooperate. I know a lot of families 265 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: when they find themselves in an unfortunate situation like this, 266 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: one of the things that they are kind of upset 267 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: about is the way that they're treated by police because 268 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: a lot of times it is a family member or 269 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: somebody that's close to the person that committed the offense. 270 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: But I've heard a lot of families complained to me 271 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: and say, you know, why do they do that? Why 272 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: did they come down on us? And I explain that 273 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: the dynamics are usually such that it is somebody that 274 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: the person knows, and that the best thing you can 275 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: do is cooperate with the investigation. So that they can 276 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: clear you and move on and find the person who 277 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: really did it. So that's pretty telling that he was 278 00:17:47,640 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: willing to do them crime stories with Nancy Grace Guys. 279 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: Greg Smith is not just a special Deputy Sheriff at 280 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: Johnson County and executive director Kelsey Smith Foundation. He is 281 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: a crime victim. His daughter, Kelsey was kidnapped and murdered 282 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: and that propelled him to his life's work of helping 283 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: other people. You know, Greg, I've spoken to our friend 284 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: Mark Class many many times about when his daughter the 285 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: found Marks the founder of Class Kids Foundation, When his 286 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: daughter Polly went missing at a sleepover in her own home. 287 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: Mark was divorced from the mom and lived nearby. The 288 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: first thing cops did was raced to Mark Class's home, 289 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: search it. They wanted DNA, they wanted fingerprints, they wanted 290 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: everything from him. And you know what he did. He said, Fine, 291 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: search my car, search my office, search my home, take 292 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: my blood, take my DNA, take my fingerprints, anything, just 293 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: find my daughter. He understood what you just said. Statistically, 294 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: the person you're looking at is within the family and 295 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: is a male. So by cooperating, you advanced the police 296 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: search for whoever took Stephanie Eldridge. Did that happen when 297 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: Kelsey went missing? Did cops want to know, Hey, where 298 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: were you? Oh? Absolutely, I mean we had we had 299 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: found her car and called the police. They came out 300 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: and oh, they were on you like a cheap suit 301 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: if you found her car. Yeah. Actually they were good. 302 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: I mean I was a police officer. I knew a 303 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: lot of the officers that were on the scene, so 304 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of that. But eventually we were 305 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: asked to come into the station, my wife and I 306 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: and put in an interview room and left alone for 307 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty minutes. And I looked at my wife 308 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: because I knew they we're watching this, and they said, 309 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: you know why we're in here, don't you. They think 310 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: we're suspects. So as soon as they come back, we'll 311 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: tell him everything that happened and get this over with 312 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: so they can find the right person. And no more 313 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: than probably thirty seconds after I said that, the detective 314 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: walked in. We had our conversation that we needed to have, 315 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: and they were out the door looking for who really 316 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: killed Kelsey. So Eric grossarthat sidhoenews dot com. That tells 317 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: me a lot that they came out right at the 318 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: get go and state that the fiance is actually cooperating. 319 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: A young mom vanishing from her apartment on a Monday 320 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: late in August. She calls the fiance around nine o'clock. 321 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: He saw her at six am when he left for 322 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: work and she wasn't feeling well, but when he tried 323 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: to call her back, she didn't answer. The boyfriend's mom, 324 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: Lynette Theson, came home and what she found was a 325 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: very upsetting The four month old baby was unattended, Eldridge's 326 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: cell phone, Harky's purse, and even her shoes were still there. 327 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us from LA. 328 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: Then I'm going to follow up with our forensics expert, 329 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. You know, at first, when I thought 330 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: saw that her shoes were still there, I went, well, 331 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, women have a lot of shoes. That means nothing. 332 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: That's not true because the other day my son went 333 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: into our pantry soft for kitchen, and that's where I 334 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: keep my favorite tennis shoes and my cowboy boots, which 335 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: I wear both of them all the time, and goes, mom, 336 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: your cowboy boots have been in here for like four 337 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: days straight. What was why aren't you wearing them? And 338 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: this is a thirteen year old boy who knows nothing 339 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: about design her shoes. And I said, I heard my 340 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: ankle sweeter, right, That's why I'm wearing my tennis shoes 341 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: every day. So it doesn't matter if you have a 342 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: favorite pair of shoes. People notice. And there I assume 343 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: by her purse, her cell phone, and her keys were 344 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: her shoes. So it does matter. It's it's very individual 345 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: to the person. It's very individual, Nancy. These kinds of 346 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: behavioral physical cues are vital. The first time I ever 347 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: met you at CNN, you were wearing your cowboy boots. 348 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: The second time you were wearing your cowboy boots. The 349 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: third time you were wearing your cowboy boots. I'm assuming 350 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm hearing today that you still have those cowboy boots 351 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: or a new pair, but speak about it's the same pair. 352 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: And once you break them in, it's like a baseball glove. 353 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: You know, once you break it in that you're together 354 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: for life. That's right. I love those cowboy boots. Anyway. 355 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: You know this from a small apartment. We're not talking 356 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: a mansion. We're not talking in Melvill Marcos here. We're 357 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: not talking, you know, a family who lives in the 358 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: flats of Beverly Hills, you know, with a shoe closet 359 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: the size of a small bedroom. We're talking a twenty 360 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: one year old with a four month old, likely struggling 361 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: financially as we all did when we were twenty one 362 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: years old, trying to work her way through school. A 363 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: young woman like that will only have a few pairs 364 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: of shoes, and anything a miss in that apartment is 365 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: going to be noticed, especially the child. I was thinking 366 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: about this four month old baby being left for three 367 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: and a half hours. Nancy babies, you know, as one 368 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: of the other guests were saying, they need to be 369 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: picked up, hugged, swaddled. This baby was probably very disregulated 370 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: at this point, screaming, crying, soiling the diapers. I'm sure 371 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: when the mother future mother in law walked in and 372 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: saw this scene that her heart dropped like she knew 373 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: something was a miss. This was a vast departure from 374 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: how this young woman lived her life, you know, Joe 375 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, we're talking about the shoes and a cell 376 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: phone and the keys I think I've told you I 377 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: was investigating a serial killer and in the end I 378 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: managed to get him on one murder and it was 379 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: of a Jane Doe. And there was a vital piece 380 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: of evidence. It was one earring. And I thought, and 381 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: I thought, and had help thinking about the location of 382 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: the earring, how the earring got there? What did that 383 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: mean in the way that the crime unfolded? One clue 384 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: like that may mean nothing to somebody else, but it 385 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: could mean volumes if it's analyzed correctly. If you were 386 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: in that apartment Joe Scott, and you had reasonablieve this 387 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: was the last place that she was known to be safe, 388 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: what would you be looking for? Well, you know, I 389 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: teach my students Nancy as Crome sing investigators one thing 390 00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: you look for is not just evidence of a strugg well, 391 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: you look for absence of a struggle as well. So 392 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: just because things are negative or positive in crime, seeing 393 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: investigation does not make it a bad thing, because you 394 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: can eliminate certain things. I think a big question is here, 395 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: How is a young lady of this age lured out 396 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: of an apartment where a four month old in the apartment? 397 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: How do you get her out of the door, and 398 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: there's no signs of forced entry or struggle. So that 399 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: tells me that someone had to have access to her. 400 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: Because you know what we're hearing now relative to what 401 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: the police found quote unquote found when they got there. 402 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: They're not saying they found broken furniture or busted out 403 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: glass or you know, somebody kicked the door in or 404 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: anything like that. What they're saying is, we have the 405 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: presence of shoes, we have the presence of keys, we 406 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: have presence of wallet, and we have the presence of 407 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: a baby, but we don't have the person that's missing. 408 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: So I've out a four month old granddaughter, all right. 409 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: I get to watch her regularly, which is one of 410 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: the greatest gifts I've ever had, i gotta tell you. 411 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: And this goes from my wife as well. If somebody 412 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: tried to separate me from that baby, okay, it would 413 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: take very large, strong men, a huge battalion of them, 414 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: to put any kind of distance between me and that child. 415 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: So as an investigator, I'm thinking the individual or the 416 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: rationale for her leaving department must have been something that 417 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: felt at least remotely comfortable or safe for her, Because 418 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: you don't have any evidence of struggle here. But what 419 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: we do have is an abandoned girl. You know, I 420 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: find its significant. Eric Grossarth East Idaho News dot Com 421 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: that it was he meant as that call police and 422 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: reported her missing. I mean, think back on it. When 423 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson realized Lacy was missing, he didn't call police. 424 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: He called her parents. Very often we see the perp 425 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: who's ultimately held responsible, they're not the ones that call police. 426 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: In this case, isn't it true the fiance, Michael Hemanez 427 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: called police to report her missing. Yeah, he called police. 428 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: He's like, hey, she's gone. I don't know where she is. 429 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: Can you help me find her? So it's very telling 430 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: the beginning. He was again cooperative forthcoming that she disappeared. 431 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: He were able to cooperate all that because, I mean, 432 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: typically speaking, the purp would want to put as much 433 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: time as possible between the murderer or the kidnap and 434 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: police finding out about it, because delay, delay, delay is 435 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: a defendants best best friend. So the search was on 436 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: until Take a listen to what Anthony Conji at ki 437 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,239 Speaker 1: DK Channel three has to say. On April twenty three, 438 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: repair working on windmills stumbled across the remains and reported 439 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: it to authorities. Ever since then, police had a good 440 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: idea of who the remains were. There was evidence at 441 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: the scene and information that we'd gained throughout the investigation 442 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: that led us to believe that the remains were those 443 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: of Stephanie, and so we've already been working on it 444 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: as if they were Stephanie. The Idaho Falls Police Department 445 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: received confirmation through a positive dental idea made by a 446 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: forensic audientologist and take a listen to our friends at 447 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: crime online. Stephanie Eldridge's badly decomposed remains were found in 448 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: a shallow grave in the foothills east of Idaho Falls. 449 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: The body was wrapped in a blanket and her wrists 450 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: were bound by electrical tape. Eldridge's grandfather told the East 451 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: Idaho News that the remains were so decomposed that forensic 452 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: evidence wasn't able to determine the cause of death or 453 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: even a suspect. In fact, the body had to be 454 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: identified by dental records. Then Idaho Falls Police detective Jessica 455 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: Marley was a sign. She began working the case full time. 456 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace to Eric Gross Artheastidahnees dot com. 457 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: Where was her body found in relation to the apartment. 458 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: She's wrapped in the blanket, and I would want to 459 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: find out where the blanket came from. Did it come 460 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: from the apartment? And her wrists were bound. She was 461 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: in windmill areas. A windmill workers the one who discovered 462 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: her and reported the body found. Where was she found 463 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: in relation to the apartment? Eric? So this is an 464 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: area I'd say fifteen twenty minutes east of Idoballs. This 465 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: is where it gets rural. There's not many houses out there. 466 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: There's the windmills out there, and windmill workers go out 467 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: there regularly. People are out there hunting. It's it's an 468 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: area that people don't go very often. It's not populated, 469 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: it's dark in the morning at night, so it is 470 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: essentially the middle of nowhere as close as he can 471 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: get to town. And her wrists were bound with tape, 472 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: the electrical tape. That that is correct. Wrists were bound 473 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: as well as her face. Let me follow up on that, 474 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: Jessic Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics. Her face and head and 475 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: her wrists were bound with electrical tape. She was so decomposed, 476 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: she had to be identified through her dental records. What 477 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: does that tell you? Well, when I hear her hands, feet, 478 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: face that are bound with this electrical tape, it gives 479 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: me an indication that restraint is involved. This is not 480 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: like a packaging event like I've worked a lot of 481 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: cases is where people will take tape and wrap bodies up, 482 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: say for instance, in a blanket. But if what they're 483 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: saying is accurate, that means that she may have been 484 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: bound and gagged. So that tells me that at that 485 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: moment in time when this occurred, she was probably alive. 486 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: They wanted to be able to muffle any kind of 487 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: screams or sounds that are coming out of her mouth. 488 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: But Nancy, this is the beauty part about tape from 489 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: an investigative standpoint, is there's something that are referred to 490 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: as plastic prints. And when you have a medium like tape, 491 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: if everybody at home, all of our listeners will just 492 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: take a piece of tape at some point in time, 493 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: and on the adherent side, I'm not to decide where 494 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: the adhesive is, and I'm talking about the smooth, the 495 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: sticky side. Place your thumb on there, Okay, place your 496 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: thumb on there. And you can actually have a latent 497 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: print that is what referred to as a plastic print. 498 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: It's different than having to dust for it necessarily, and 499 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: you can leave that print, Nancy. I've seen cases with 500 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: plastic prints in particular, and you can get them in 501 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: oil and grease, and that's what I'm saying, where a 502 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: print will survive literally for years and years in that. 503 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: So that's a juicy piece of evidence. And if they're 504 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: using as much tape as Eric has alluded to, that 505 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 1: means that it exponentially increases the opportunity that you can 506 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: potentially recover a print off this. And also what's the 507 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: nature of the tape, who manufactured it, how's it been cut, 508 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: what was it cut with, and what's the width, because 509 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: there's different sizes of electrical tape, okay, and there's different qualities. 510 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: So all of that is key information to you. Doctor 511 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us out of Beverly Hills. Dr Bethany, 512 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: what does it tell you when a victim's face has 513 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: been bound? When you duct tape a person's face, you 514 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: are hold blooded, you have no remorse, you do not 515 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: care for the victim. You're you're literally facing them, you know, Nancy, 516 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: and we talked so many times about the fact that 517 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: even in death, often a victim will have a blanket 518 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: placed over them more or their head put on a 519 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: pillow more. Kelly was wrapped in a blanket similar to 520 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: this as well. What does that mean to you? Well, 521 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: to me, there's there's at least some act of kindness 522 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: towards the victim at the end, very end. I don't 523 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: know about kindness. When you just duct takes somebody's mouth 524 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: and nose and face and eyes, I don't know about kindness. 525 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: But it tells me then about somebody that's been in 526 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: at home. That's what it tells me. That's right. Then 527 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: the investigation hit a dead and take a listen to 528 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: our friend Nate eating and East Idaho knees. Stephanie's family 529 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: thinks about her constantly and now they're hoping this new 530 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: Idaho cold Cases deck of playing cards will lead to 531 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: a break in the case. The cards are being distributed 532 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: among prisoners and jail inmates throughout Idaho with the idea 533 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: that these photos may get someone to talk. Hope is 534 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: too illicit new tips the in the population, because as 535 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: we know it they' like to talk about each other's crimes, 536 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: and kids bag about each other's crimes after day playing cards. 537 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: Cold case card decks have been used in prison systems 538 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: in other states, and law enforcements say they can be 539 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: an effective tool in solving crimes. There's a lot of 540 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: chatter that comes from the prison system, and if anybody 541 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't know, it would probably be beginning. Stephanie's family says 542 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: if the cards help close any case, it's worth it, 543 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: and they look forward to the day when whoever killed 544 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: their precious girl is found. Cold case playing cards like 545 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: a deck of cards. But let me understand, Eric Grossart, 546 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: East Idaho News. So their cards with for instance, a 547 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: picture of the victim on one side, and like the name, 548 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: I guess they're like milk carton photos, except they're on 549 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: playing cards and they somehow get distributed behind bars and 550 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: the hope that the inmates will start discussing the cases. Yes, no, yeah, 551 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: that is exactly what it is around here. A lot 552 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: of the cold cases have been put on the playing 553 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: cards and they get distributed to the prisons, and thankfully, 554 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: since those were put out in twenty sixteen, several of 555 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: these cases have been solved, not all of them from 556 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: tips and the jail and prisons. But but yes, they 557 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: do have the picture on there, a little detail about 558 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: the name, where they disappeared, and how long they've been searching. 559 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: Very very ingenious. So the playing decks are disseminated into 560 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: jails and prisons with the hope that someone will say something. 561 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: Somebody will start bragging, and boy where they right. Take 562 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at online dot com. Police 563 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: had a suspect in mind from the day Sephanie Eldridge 564 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: disappeared her boyfriend's step brother, Kenneth Jones. During the initial investigation, 565 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: the boyfriend, Himenez, and his mother cooperated with authorities. Their 566 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: stories stayed consistent, but Jones's story changed more than once. 567 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: Two years after the mom of three disappeared, Jones was 568 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: arrested for an unrelated crime, and while in jail, Jones 569 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: reportedly told his salemate that he had violently killed Eldridge. 570 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: Jones said that he and Eldridge had been in a 571 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: fight and he pushed her and Eldridge hid her head. 572 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: Jones said he panicked and hid the body, but the 573 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: case still went cold as investigators did not believe the 574 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: jailhouse confession was enough to charge him with murder. And 575 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: that is so true. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer 576 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. It is not only 577 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: interpreted through our constitution through case law, but crime one 578 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: O one in law school cannot under our law convict 579 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: someone with a confession alone. There's got to be substantial 580 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: corroborating evidence. Yes, yes, guys, what do we know about 581 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: this brother in law to be? Who is this guy? 582 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our forensic crime online dot com. 583 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: Kenneth Jones had a long criminal history, beginning with the 584 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: DUI arrest. From there, misdemeanor drug and resisting arrest charges 585 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: were brought against him. Then he was charged with a 586 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: felony third degree arson. Court record show police responding to 587 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: a report of harassment at the same time and same location, 588 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: a call came in about a suicidal man threatening to 589 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: burn down his mother's home. Police believe he was the 590 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: same man who was sending the harassing text messages. The 591 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: person who reported the harassment told police she was in 592 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: fear for her safety and her child. The victim said 593 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: Jones had been living with her and her fiance, but 594 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: Jones and the man got into an argument. To fight 595 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: broke out, and Jones threatened to burn down the house. 596 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: The victim said she and her daughter left for a while, 597 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 1: but when she returned, Jones told her he had started 598 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: a fire. She had better call the fire department. Inside, 599 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: the woman found a pile of clothes burning. So Eric Grossarth, 600 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: let me understand. What we know now is that the 601 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: brother in law to be gave multiple stories about what 602 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: happened to Stephanie Eldridge after his brother left the apartment 603 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: that morning. He told one person that he pushed her 604 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: in the middle of an argument. She quote hit her 605 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: head and instead of calling nine one one, he bound 606 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: and gagged her with duct tape and hit her body. 607 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: That he choked her dead. That story number two and 608 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: bound and gagged her with duct tape and hit her body, 609 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: and he told people that she was his girlfriend. Is 610 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: all of those stories did they all come out of 611 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: his mouth? You know, there's even more stories that came 612 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: out out of his mouth that day as well. He 613 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: actually told investigators that he used Eldridge's phone, went to work, 614 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: came back for a little bit, watched the child well 615 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: Elsorge left, then she came back and he went back 616 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: to work. All of this before noon, so he said 617 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 1: he was going back and forth that morning. One time 618 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: he said he went and bought some weed off of 619 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: a friend, and that friend said he never saw Jones 620 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: that day, and then his boss said he never showed 621 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: up to work. So there was all sorts of stories 622 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: floating around out of Jones's mouth what happened that day, 623 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: And so it made investigators very very suspicious early on 624 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: of him because he couldn't give a straight story, you know, 625 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: to you datter Bethany Marshall, why do suspects even taught 626 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: and they give conflicting stories, is that they just can't 627 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: keep their stories straight. Nancy. I think there's something about 628 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: that criminal mindset, that particular type of psychopathology, which is 629 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: a fancy word for psychologic goal disturbance that causes an 630 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 1: interference in what we call big picture thinking cause and effect. 631 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: It comes from the prefrontal cortex, the part of the 632 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: brain just behind the forehead. It's the part of you 633 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: that learns from mistakes, is able to plan ahead. It 634 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: teaches you how to read the room and see what 635 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: other people see in yourself, what other people see in you. 636 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: This guy didn't have any of that. He was in 637 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: his own little world thinking that everybody would believe whatever 638 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: he said. And you know that thing about going to 639 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: get weed, I you know that was true, except cannabis 640 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: makes you passive. So it's unlikely that somebody using cannabis 641 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: is going to kill somebody. Maybe wis just say, you know, 642 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 1: because I have attics in my practice, and I think 643 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: that it's better to use the technical terms on the 644 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: pig and how to know everything that Eri ject saying. 645 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: But I do know this, when someone starts changing their 646 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,720 Speaker 1: story around the time someone goes missing and their bodies 647 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,879 Speaker 1: found in a windmill field, that suspect number one. Well, 648 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: I know you're not going to be surprised to hear this. 649 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: Our cut ten take a listen with the invented information. 650 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 1: Then you do have as we just talked about, Count 651 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: one voluntary manslaughter, account to instruction, alteration or consulative evidence. 652 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: Count three resistant or obstructing an officer. You will have 653 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: a rate to have these charges read to you. Is 654 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: that something you would be interested in? I don't know, 655 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: Eric Grossharth, this guy, after all those years watching the 656 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,359 Speaker 1: family twist and turn suffer, the children grow up without 657 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: a mom not knowing really what happened to her. He 658 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,439 Speaker 1: finally pleads guilty. What's his sentence. Yeah, so he played 659 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: guilty and just recently got sentenced ten to twenty one 660 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: years in prison when you do all the map on 661 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: those charges. So he gets at least a decade in 662 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: prison when pleading guilty to that voluntary manslaughter charge as 663 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: well as the alteration of evidence and then the obstruction charge. 664 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: And this happened thirteen years after Deane that little baby girl. 665 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: The other children are all grown up without mommy now, 666 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: and finally he comes clean as clean as he can. 667 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: Twenty one years for him, but life without a parole 668 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: with the death of their mother for her three children. 669 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend.