1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. When my name is Met 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: and I'm Ben, And today we are well, at least 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: in the room. We don't have super producer told with us. Yes, 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, our super producer, Noel E. T. Brown 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: has moved on to a better place. He's here, he's 9 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: directly outside. He's directly outside, still on this show, watching 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: us through a nifty new window because he is moving 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: on up. But you know what, Matt, even though he's outside, 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: something tells me that he can hear us. Call it, 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: call it faith. Call it the pair of headphones I 14 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: see him wearing. And and the fact that he's nodding 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: when we say stuff, Oh, that is weird. He did 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: respond in real time. Is it coincidence? Is it an accident? 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Is there something else out there? Some other explanation? And 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: speaking of amazing segues. Today we're working on UFOs, right, 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: that's correct. Specifically, an incident that took place in Kecksburg, 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania that has baffled people ever since the day that 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: had occurred. Yeah, it's tantalized people. It is irritated skeptics 22 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: and ufologists alike, because even today spoiler alert, most people 23 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: don't agree about what happened, including uh, surviving eye witnesses. 24 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: So what we're going to do is explore the facts 25 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: of this, some of the ways that this changed, and 26 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: in the end asked what you think because this is 27 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: a fascinating case. But but okay, so Matt, just just 28 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: the facts. What what happened? At around four pm on 29 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: Justcember nine, nineteen, residents of Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, around forty miles 30 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: outside of Pittsburgh, saw something bizarre, unexpected, and frightening. A 31 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: ball of fire shot through the sky. This thing, reportedly 32 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: acorn shaped, appeared to make a controlled crash, slowing down 33 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: before it hit the ground. Now, this isn't just one 34 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: person that's giving this report to a police officer or something. 35 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's called calling nine one, Hey I saw 36 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: this crazy thing. This event had hundreds of witnesses. Yet 37 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: because numerous people saw it, and the question would be 38 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: what what was it? Because we know that these people 39 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: all saw something, they didn't just collectively pretend that something 40 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: happened around five pm on December night. But was it 41 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: a military craft, wayward meteorites something else? That's right? It 42 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: to me just after hearing the description, it sounds like 43 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: what we've seen before on numerous videos with the meteorite 44 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: breaking up as it's going through the atmosphere, right, because 45 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: going through the atmosphere is that no better roses. It's 46 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: a heck of a trip and most meters meteorites burn up. Right. 47 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: So this story will explore the evolution of this story. 48 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: But for a while, people thought the case was largely 49 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: closed until that is the nineteen nineties and listeners, some 50 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: of you may remember a show called Unsolved Mysteries. Do 51 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: you remember that when met Oh? I definitely do. I 52 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: loved it. I remember I remember seeing it on I 53 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: guess it must have been re runs by then, but 54 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: it came on after these reruns of ALF and that 55 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: was very It was appropriate to me. It made sense 56 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: to my my kid mind. Uh So, when when Unsolved 57 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: Mysteries ran this episode on Kecksburg or this segment rather, uh, 58 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: the what should we say? Um, we're a fan my show, 59 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: so we'll just say the poop hit the fan almost 60 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: immediately and despite numerous, often contradictory reports, aspects of this 61 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: instant remain unexplained today. So let's look at the initial reports, 62 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: how the subsequent explanations changed, as well as words from 63 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: the skeptics, words from those who were convinced that this 64 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: was some sort of extra terrestrial object, and of course 65 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: the eyewitnesses, that's right, and some of the people who 66 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: witnessed this, they claim that they actually made it to 67 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: the area or at least close area to where this thing, 68 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: whatever it is, impacted, and according to some of the statements, 69 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: they came upon a large metallic acorn shaped object that 70 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: was just in the ground that had hit and it 71 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: was one piece of solid metal, uh, I think one 72 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: person said bronze gold in color. And it didn't have 73 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: any kind of rivets in it or anything like that. 74 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: Didn't have seems, it didn't appear to be created out 75 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: of a bunch of man made materials, you know, the 76 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: way you would see an aircraft. Sure like an aircraft 77 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: at that time would have visible rivets. You could see 78 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: clear marks of construction. It's interesting because one of the 79 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: witnesses will several actually claim they saw markings that resembled 80 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: Egyptian hyperoglyphics and Matt this reminds me, Yeah, reminds me 81 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: of the Oh though the Roswald Crash reports that we 82 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: did some videos on I'm gonna go ahead and say 83 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: that we didn't see any clear photographs of this thing, 84 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: at least you and I haven't found any, but some 85 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: reportedly reputedly allegedly exist. Let's go back to a witness statement. 86 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: There's a guy who was by the time when his 87 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: interview came around, he was a retired machinist named Jim Romansky, 88 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: and at the time of the event, he was an 89 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: eighteen year old volunteer firefighter. He said he saw the 90 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: object looked like it was liquid metal poured into a mold, 91 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: and we can we can look more at this later, 92 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: but let's introduce one of the most important witnesses for 93 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: this story. A name you need to remember is John Murphy. Now, 94 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: at the time, he was a brand new director of 95 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: w h j B in nearby Greensburg, which is a 96 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: radio station. Exactly a radio station, gentleman, and remember John Murphy. Now, 97 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: he received word of this event from a listener, which 98 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: is kind of cool, right, that idea that you're sitting 99 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: there doing your job, as as you know, on the air, 100 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: and then what this thing, mysterious thing crashed and you're 101 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: stuck in a room, and you know you're trying to 102 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: get in as much information as you can. I can. 103 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: I am so jealous of John Murphy in this instance. Well, yeah, 104 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: people still will call radio stations, and so he's the director. 105 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: I imagine he's sitting somewhere very much where you're sitting, 106 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: directing things, right, Okay, yeah, he really can hear us. 107 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: So back to this story, as he he receives a 108 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: call from a listener named Francis Kelp. She reports that 109 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: something crazy had happened. Uh, the sky is falling, Well 110 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: maybe not all of it, but some of it. Well 111 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: maybe not some of it, but one flaming object has 112 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: fallen near her home. She said that she and her 113 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: kids approached this thing and they got about a half 114 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: mile away from it, and they saw what she described 115 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: as a four pointed star. So what Murphy do? Well, 116 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: first of all, let's just point out that a four 117 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: pointed star is a very different description than we've heard before, right, Yeah, 118 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: for all the other stuff, right, Okay, So she calls 119 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania State Police and they asked her to meet 120 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,119 Speaker 1: and lead them to where she found this thing. Now 121 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: back to John Murphy. He called the the Pennsylvania State 122 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: Police after he heard of this, and he asked Kelp 123 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: the the lady that we just said who and out 124 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: and saw the thing, to meet and then lead them 125 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: to where she saw it. Then Murphy himself drives out 126 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: to check it out. And here's the thing. We don't 127 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: know who made it there first? Was it Murphy? Was 128 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: it the cops? Yeah? His wife. Murphy's wife, Bonnie Murphy 129 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: said that she believes her husband made it out there first. 130 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: But as far as whether how true that is, we 131 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: don't know. We do know that Murphy interviewed Francis Kalpiner 132 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: kids at the scene. Um and he also ran into 133 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: state Police officials Carl Metz and Paul Shipco And after 134 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: they walked out of the woods, they were evasive to 135 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: Murphy or he found them evasia when he asked what 136 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: they had seen, and they all they said was that 137 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: the military would be involved. So Murphy did what so 138 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: many of us have probably done when when we're not 139 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: happy with our interactions with an organization. He escalated it. Yeah, 140 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,599 Speaker 1: So Murphy however, was not one to be cowed or intimidated, 141 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: and he called Mets and ship Co's boss. He called 142 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: the state police captain, who my belief was named Dousa 143 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: d U s s a Uh. Dousa responded pretty favorably 144 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: and invited Murphy to come to the police office in 145 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: Greensburg to hear the official statement from the FEDS. Members 146 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: of the army and the Air Force were there, and 147 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: we have a their official statement to quote at least 148 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: right the Pennsylvania State Police have made a thorough search 149 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: in the woods. We are convinced that there is nothing 150 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: whatsoever in the woods. Nothing We found nothing, not even 151 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: trees or wildlife. Yet zilch zip nothing to see here, yeah, 152 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: zip zitch not a surf. Uh. So Murphy Murphy takes 153 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,359 Speaker 1: this statement, and obviously he doesn't believe it. He overhears 154 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: officers talking about a pulsating blue light, and when he 155 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: learns that they're going to return to the site, he 156 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: asked them if he can come with them, uh, and 157 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: they say yes. But when they get to the woods, 158 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: he's not allowed in there. The military has reportedly cordoned 159 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: off the area. You know, put the tape up, put 160 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: some guards around the perimeter restricted access, and then several 161 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: witnesses say that they saw a large flatbed truck leaving 162 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: the same spot with a conical object of some sort 163 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: under the tarp, after which the military began to leave 164 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: as well. Man, So put yourself in Murphy's shoes here, 165 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: what do you do you think that these guys are 166 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: hiding something that, you know, depending on what it is, 167 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: could have huge consequences on all of mankind perhaps or 168 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: maybe even just your country if it's another country's thing 169 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: that fell out of the sky. Uh, what do you do? Well, 170 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: Murphy decides that he's going to work on a radio 171 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: special called Object in the Woods, and he's interviewing witnesses. 172 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: He's talking to as many people as he can and 173 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: putting it on air. Now, a few days before this 174 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: special aired, witnesses began calling Murphy and requesting that he 175 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: chop out the parts that they were in. And you 176 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: know why why would they want that? Well, they were 177 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 1: fearing that the army, whoever is really in control of 178 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: the situation, maybe just the police, would somehow retaliate against 179 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: them for even talking about this thing. Now, after the 180 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: show men in suits visited Murphy, they went to his office. 181 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: They spoke in this back room for about half an hour. 182 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: They took his taped interviews when they left, and Murphy 183 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: refused to talk about this incident again. Now, that's pretty crazy, 184 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: right that that sounds like something you would write in 185 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: the script. Sure, it sounds. It sounds very similar to 186 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: numerous men in black stories and anecdotes. It's it's true, though, Matt. 187 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: People do get visited, especially back then, people would get 188 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: visited by the Feds, just men in nondescript suits. You know, 189 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: it did happen. Murphy's wife, Bonnie noted that his his 190 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: research and the documents that you have been keeping were 191 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: gone as well, and she never saw the photographs that 192 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: Murphy took because he refused to speak about this incident. Allegedly, 193 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: he gave a copy of the unedited full documentary to 194 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: a man named Stan Gordon, but this unedited version of 195 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: the documentary has also disappeared. Uh. Stan Gordon is someone 196 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: who will come up later when we talk about the 197 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: modern day. Uh. He is someone who you can check 198 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: out if you believe there is something rotten in Denmark, 199 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: or should I say rotten in Cakesburg, Pennsylvania. Yeah. So 200 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: let's look at some of these initial public statements. Huh okay, Well, 201 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: the first one the Spokesman Review. They published a story 202 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: on December ten called UFO Starts Many Fires, and in 203 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: this piece they claim that the the objects set a 204 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: bunch of fires, or it started a bunch of fires 205 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: when it when it landed and or crashed. There were 206 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: lots of bursts of light that occurred when this when 207 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: this thing came down, and also a lot of smoke 208 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: before hitting the earth. Now in this in this story, 209 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: this is a fairly short article which you can look 210 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: up for yourself online and you'll see reports of different 211 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: fires happening um around different parts of the Pennsylvania area 212 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: and outside of it. There's a report of somebody describing 213 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: this as a volleyball shaped object or volleyball size. But 214 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: we also have to keep in mind that for someone 215 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: on the ground with a fast moving object and a 216 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: bright one, it can be very difficult for us to 217 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: have a true understanding of the size of the object 218 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: and the distance of the object. And this is something 219 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: that's going to come up with some of the skeptical 220 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: statements as well. Another funny thing happens the Air Force 221 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: changes the official report to state that instead of not 222 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: finding anything in the woods, a meteorite fell to earth. 223 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: Most people accepted this explanation. The case seemed closed for decades. However, 224 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: that wasn't the last time the story would change. Yeah, 225 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: that's true. Man. In the As we said, this story 226 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: hit the public eye and the public mind a new 227 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: things to the folks at unsolved Mysteries, And this was 228 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: controversial in the area at the time. People who lived 229 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: in Cxburg really, you know, they were divided. Some people 230 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: really didn't like the attention that this was bringing to 231 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: their fairly small town. And you know, uh, I think 232 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: there was even a petition that was gathered together and 233 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: signed by a lot of people. Sure, yet some of 234 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: whom just didn't want the show of film that they 235 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: weren't alive when it happened. They had never claimed to 236 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: be witnesses, but they didn't want untolved mysteries or television 237 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: types stirring up more out of towners and violating privacy. 238 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: I imagine. It is interesting because it seems like it 239 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: would be, I don't know, a boom to your small 240 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: town if oh, yeah, there's a UFO store there. Now, 241 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: this this tourist industry that sprouts out around these things 242 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: is is definitely in swing. There After the show, more 243 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: witnesses came forward, and will call them self identified witnesses 244 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: because they don't have a lot of confirmation, so these 245 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: are anecdotes. One one person was a United States Air 246 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: Force officer who was apparently tasked with guarding this flatbed 247 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: truck we mentioned earlier and told it was bound for 248 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: Right Patterson Air Force Base. Another one was a building 249 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: contractor who apparently transported a load of six quote special 250 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: bricks whatever, whatever the heck that is to a hangar 251 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: inside right Patterson. This is an Air Force base. And 252 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: he looked inside and he claims that he saw this 253 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: bell shaped device with uh some some men wearing these 254 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, the white radiation suits on TV before the 255 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: radiation protection suits. Yeah, and he said, these guys are 256 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: looking at it, going all over it, just trying to 257 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: figure out either either studying it or something. And they 258 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: start escorting the mountain. Tell him, they say, he just 259 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: saw an object that in twenty years would become common knowledge. 260 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: And we do know, okay, I have to say this 261 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: important fairness, Matt. We do know that, especially in terms 262 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: of aircraft. Uh, that is completely possible twit years, not 263 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: just for the United States to do it, but for 264 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: other countries, you know, China, Russia, probably several European countries 265 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: have that capability. Um, but the United States is one 266 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: of the biggest in the game. So as soon as 267 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: this happens, as soon as Unsolved Mysteries runs this thing, uh, 268 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: numerous other shows began focusing on Keeksburg, and they're tantalizing 269 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: the UFO believers with things that are not quite answers, 270 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: and they're doubtlessly irritating the heck out of you know, 271 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: like the overly emotional skeptics. And and uh so the 272 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: question is what what exactly landed? We have several possibilities, right. 273 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: The first one, like we said at the top, and 274 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: then was the official story for a while there a meteorite, right, yeah, 275 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: and that's clearly possib well, I mean, eighteen thousand to 276 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: eighty four thousand meteorites that are larger than ten grams 277 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: hit Earth every year. Yeah, and then if you look 278 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: at something like the Geminid meteor shower, I mean it 279 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: was in progress at the time. Of course. Astronomer Louis 280 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: Winker from Penn state he doesn't think anything could have 281 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: survived the passage through the atmosphere to the ground. At 282 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: least that would match up what people saw at the 283 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: expert incident. Right, Yeah, then there's we'll go ahead and 284 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: throw it out there. There's the possibility of an unidentified 285 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: non man made object. Uh. And this one of the 286 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: big things that people use as proof of this is 287 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: that there is proof of um secrecy, shifting stories, official sources, 288 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: contradicting one another. But again, the big question is if 289 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: there really was an extraterrestrial thing, then how on or 290 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: off Earth could it be kept secret for so long? 291 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: That's asking a lot, especially if people already you know, 292 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: especially if we have a guy who's working on a documentary, 293 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: if we have all these other people coming forward and 294 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: saying stuff, Um, yeah, you have to wonder what what else? 295 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: That is an extraordinary claim. But there are other claims 296 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: that people put a little bit more, give a little 297 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,239 Speaker 1: bit more consideration too. Perhaps what if what if this 298 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: thing was a Russian satellite, specifically the Venus Cosmos satellite. Yes, 299 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: now that is an excellent question, and that's still one 300 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: of the front running theories. Uh, there is a Soviet 301 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: satellite spacecraft expert named James Oberg, who I think we've 302 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 1: mentioned in a couple of other shows before. He is 303 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: he is a UFO skeptic um, but he also believes 304 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: that he's also skeptical. There was for a while about 305 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: this Cosmos nineties six satellite because he said like the 306 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: timing might not match up, But later he came up 307 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: with a possible explanation. He said that the Cosmos have 308 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: been set to re enter the atmosphere and crashing Canada 309 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: thirteen hours before, and so that will put it at 310 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, around the three in the morning, le after 311 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: three in the morning. Uh. He has an interview in 312 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: Omni magazine where he says that maybe what entered the 313 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: area at that time instead was a rocket booster and 314 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: that the probe itself fell to Earth and crashed in Kecksburg. 315 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: But this leads us down a really interesting thing that 316 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to give a shout out too, because the 317 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: Russian and American forces at this time had sort of 318 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 1: a handshake agreement with you know, if some if one 319 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: of if the U S satellite falls in something under 320 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: the Russian sphere of influence. Notice I don't just say 321 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: Russia Um, if something falls in the U. S. Sphere 322 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: of influence, then we will get it and we will 323 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: give it back to you. Um. However, is that may 324 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: not have always been the case, but it would explain 325 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: massive secrecy because the Air Force apparently had a secret 326 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: operation called Project moon Dust, and their purpose was to 327 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: get any foreign space probes that crashed. So their purpose 328 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: was kind of too secretly get get around this this 329 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: uh informal agreement. I would just like, can point something 330 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: out here. I can imagine someone from you know, fairly 331 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, seeing a ship that has 332 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of cyrillic written on it might just associate 333 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: it with something that is not a I hate to 334 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: say this because it sounds like I'm saying some of 335 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: the witnesses were either not intelligent or just didn't understand 336 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: what Russian looked like. But perhaps they didn't it is possible. 337 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: I mean, you know a lot of people aren't reading 338 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: and cyrillic as a you know, as a percentage of 339 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: our population even today in the United States. You know, 340 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: That's why being able to read and speak Russian is 341 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: such an incredibly valuable skill. Learny foreign language really a 342 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of It's true, man, A lot 343 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: of us here in the United States are not polyglots, 344 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: so me but yeah, I can imagine, or you know, 345 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: you could always say, well, what if Russia was getting 346 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: Soviet Union was getting tricky and putting hieroglyphs on their 347 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: satellites just for fun. Sure, it's yeah, it is, It 348 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: is totally possible. Um. The The other thing here is 349 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: there's a possibility that it was a secret United States 350 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: project that crashed in the ground. That is so possible 351 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: that could happen today. Let's just go ahead and just 352 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: to depict other things that are secret that the United 353 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: States could have crashed to the ground somewhere. X thirty 354 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: seven B big time an unmanned spacecraft that just goes 355 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: out in space and hangs out for days months. But 356 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: what does it do? Ben? You know, that is such 357 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: a great it is such a great question. Uh, Matt's 358 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: Matt is buzzing my chops a little bit because I 359 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: went through a period where I would come up to 360 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: your desk pretty much every day, and even though it 361 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: was clear that neither of us knew what the X 362 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: thirty seven B was doing, I would kind of harass 363 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,239 Speaker 1: both of us. I mean, it was fun. It was 364 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: a trouble shooting something that is impossible to solve, but 365 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: what what does it Anyway, that's the story for a 366 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: different show, and hopefully that news will come out soon. 367 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: So there's another possibility that I read about on a 368 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: more more skeptical side site, which well we'll talk about 369 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: the end that just says, note this Hecksburg incident, this 370 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: was all the confusion. Nothing landed. There was a Great 371 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: Lakes fireball at the same time, and then due to 372 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: the problems of perception that humans have on the ground 373 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: looking in the sky, that people thought it was closer 374 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: than it was, it wasn't actually anything there. I don't 375 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: know if I don't know how how much I believe 376 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: that because of some later statements. So let's go to 377 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: the modern day where we meet a sharp journalist from 378 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: New York City named Leslie Keene. Leslie Keene filed an 379 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: f o I, a Freedom of Information Act requests with NASA, 380 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: and she ended up in a lawsuit against NASA. And 381 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: this was with the Sci Fi Channel. So let's be 382 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: clear about this. She had a she had a big 383 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: supporting patron behind her that enabled this kind of uh 384 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: David against Goliath thing. Uh. In December two thousand five, 385 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: NASA said that they examined metallic fragments from this object 386 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: and claimed that it was as a Russian satellite, that 387 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: it really was a Russian satellite. The NASA spokesman said that, 388 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: by the way, we lost the records of this. Yeah, 389 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: we just can't find them. Yeah, yeah, we can't. And 390 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: if they if they said if this was true, then 391 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: you know, they said they lost it in the ninety nineties. Uh. 392 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: And in their in their statement they say that what 393 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: they can't track UFOs. So what they did was to 394 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: take a look at whatever did fall and give their 395 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: expert opinion their best guess, right, um, but the like, 396 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: we don't know how much that bears out because as 397 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: part of this work on the sci fi show uh 398 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: leslie Keene had people check the orbital paths of all 399 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: known satellites and other records from the period in sixty 400 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: and the expert she had checking said that it was 401 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: absolutely impossible for any part of the Cosmos Venus probe 402 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: to have accounted for either the fireball or any object 403 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: at Katzburg. And these experts said furthermore, there were no 404 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: other man made satellites or other objects that re entered 405 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: the atmosphere that day, Well, according to the official records, right, Yeah. 406 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: And then speaking of records that they note, people have noted, 407 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, the same thing you and I are noting here, Like, 408 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: how questionable is it that NASA could lose records? I think, 409 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, I think that if it really is a 410 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: Russian satellite in the mid in the middle of the 411 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: Cold War, a Russian satellite fell to the United States, right, 412 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: and now we're decades and decades away from this event, 413 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: it's strange that. I mean, Okay, Matt, I will say, 414 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: maybe the records were honestly lost, but if they were 415 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: purposely lost, if they were destroyed, Uh, what prevents NASA 416 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: from saying, yeah, we destroyed them, Like what what prevents 417 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: that from coming to light? Is their statute of limitations? 418 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: Is it something that still impacts national security? Yeah? And 419 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: what happens What are the consequences of, oh, man, we 420 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: misplaced some documents. Are there any consequences? I I can't 421 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: imagine that there would be any because you know, it 422 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: was a clerical error or this happened. Yeah, that's a 423 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: that's a good question, and it it may well be 424 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: that more information emerges about this and solidifies what what 425 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: we do know or what witnesses are saying. But now 426 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: it's time for us to follow up on some of 427 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: our earlier mentioned players. What happened to John Murphy, Well, 428 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: apparently he never spoke about whatever conversation that he had 429 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: with the men in suits let's call them um like 430 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: he he just never even talked about it to anybody 431 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: that that we have record of. After the airing of 432 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: the heavily centered documentary that he made, yeah, a few 433 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: years after, in nineteen exactly, he went on to vacation. 434 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: He went to Ventura, California, and unfortunately, when he was 435 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: out there, he was killed in a hit and run accident. 436 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: And after his death, his wife, who we mentioned earlier, 437 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: Bonnie Murphy, said that her husband really did have photos 438 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: of an object, but that they were confiscated these photos. 439 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: She's saying something really did land. The state police confiscated it, 440 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: and he was threatened with grave consequences, grave enough and 441 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: believable enough at least that he was silenced on this 442 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: for life. That's very intense. I can imagine, as someone 443 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: with the family that if someone threatened my family, then 444 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: you would I would have to think very long and 445 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: hard about my you know, my moral high ground or 446 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: my instincts to want to go after the truth for 447 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: something like this that's scary to me. Well, it's it's 448 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: a situation, you know, if if that kind of stuff occurs, 449 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: when that stuff kind of occurs, we know it's a 450 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: situation that is not unique, that really has happened in 451 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: the past, um and not necessarily you know, with one 452 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: one particular country or one particular government or administration. Uh, 453 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: this stuff is happening today to journalists across the world 454 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: for myriad reasons. Don't report on corruption in uh was 455 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: Venezuela yet. And they're they're different, There are different things 456 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: being a journalist is is a very risky and stressful lifestyle, 457 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: I understand. But we do have some further reading. We've 458 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: only been able to look at I guess a little 459 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: bit beneath the surface of Techsburg, and we want to 460 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: hear from you. Do you think this is a meteorite? 461 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: Do you think this is a foreign technology? And if so, 462 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: how foreign? U? S. S. R. China non terrestrial? So 463 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: let's go towards just to end on some uh. Some 464 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: further reading here. I'll start with just the skeptical thing. 465 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: We mentioned that some of the skeptical sides had claimed this, uh, 466 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: this event and Kexburg was confused with the Great Lakes fireball. 467 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: And that's from a site called debunker dot com. And 468 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: they say that the Kexburg crash itself is sensationalism and 469 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: they have some great sources if you want to check 470 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: this out. One of them they cited an issue of 471 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: Sky and Telescope magazine, where a professor of geophysics and 472 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: geology named G. W. Weather Hill says the following the 473 00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: fireball was observed by many people in Ontario, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, 474 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: and to a lesser extent in the neighboring states. In 475 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: newspaper accounts, a great many supposed impact sites were reported, 476 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: both in southwestern Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio. Fragments were claimed 477 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: to have fallen in Ohio and Michigan. These imagined happenings 478 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: arose from the impossibility of estimating the distance of an 479 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: object in the sky. Almost everyone who saw the fireball 480 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: thought it was much closer than it really was when 481 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: it disappeared behind a house or a tree. Many people 482 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: thought it had fallen only a few hundred yards beyond. 483 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: And that's that's a really important thing because the weather 484 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: Hill is bringing up two concepts here. The first, we 485 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: know it's true, it is credibly difficult, mainly impossible with 486 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: the naked eye to estimate the distance of an object 487 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: in the sky. Uh. Secondly, you know, some people thought 488 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: it was much closer and really was. Secondly, and perhaps 489 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: more importantly, he's saying nowhere numerous possible crash sites from debris, right, 490 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: so not one Ketsburg, but many who knows how many? 491 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: Um this this is interesting, but you know, of course 492 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: we want to present that side of the argument and 493 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: see what you think about it. If you want to 494 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: get some in depth information on something that explores Kecksburg 495 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: in um more of a conspiratorial side of the story 496 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: and goes into much more depth than the mainstream TV shows. 497 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: And then do check out the work of stand Gordon 498 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: if you if you look at some of his stuff, 499 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: which you can find available online. We would love to 500 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: hear your views. Tell us what you think happened on 501 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: the afternoon of December nine in Catsburg, Pennsylvania, or what 502 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: didn't happen so find us on Twitter, Guys, find us 503 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: on Facebook. We are at conspiracy stuff on both of those. Um, 504 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: you can go to our website stuff they don't want 505 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: you to know dot com. We've got all of our 506 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: audio podcasts like this there. Hopefully you're listening to this 507 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: on there if you are, Thanks, dude or lady. Oh oh, 508 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: before we go, ben, one more thing we wanted to address. 509 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: Oh yes, we wanted to thank everybody who checked out 510 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: our one of our recent audio podcasts on race and 511 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: policing in the United States specifically. And we received some 512 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: great feedback on this, both in terms of constructive criticism 513 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: and in terms of valid pointers for where to head next. 514 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: One of the best points, at least in my opinion, 515 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: was that we were talking about arrest rates and incarceration rates, 516 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: but we weren't talking about the rates of the crimes 517 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: that were committed, uh in in the same way. So 518 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: we heard this and we would like to explore this. Uh, 519 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna look at crime. We have some stuff that 520 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: touches on it. Earlier. You know, we've talked about militarization 521 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: of police, we've talked about profits, immigratization and yeah, and 522 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: we've also explored I don't know if we've done it 523 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: in this show, but some other shows we've explored some 524 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: of the problems of having a bigger society and whether 525 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: people are hardwired to only be able to consider a 526 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: couple of a smaller number of people human beings. It's 527 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: uh called the Dunbar's number. Was that brain stuff stuff? Yeah, 528 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: it was on brain Stuff. We shall also check it 529 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: out there. We're going to head out. There is another 530 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 1: thing that we'd like to cover in more depth later. 531 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: I don't know when we'll get to it, but that 532 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 1: is the Brazilian version of Operation Blue Book. We hope 533 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: you stay tuned for that, and we hope you check 534 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: out our video coming up later on this week is 535 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: your Government Building UFOs. So tell us what you think 536 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: if you don't like the social media thing right to us, 537 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: we are conspiracy at how stuff works dot com. From 538 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: more on this top another unexplained phenomenon, visit YouTube dot 539 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: com slash conspiracy stuff. 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