Speaker 1: Wind down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 1: I have things to say, but I first want to
Speaker 1: check in with you guys, because Catherine, you went through
Speaker 1: something really scary again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the heck? I know, I'm crazy. Really just
Speaker 2: a long story short. I mean a lot of people
Speaker 2: heard about this, but we're in I don't care about it.
Speaker 2: It was I didn't see it on the news everywhere, okay,
Speaker 2: But anyway, Dallas Huge cheer competition. It's like thirty to
Speaker 2: fifty thousand people. We competed. The night before, we were
Speaker 2: getting ready to compete. Second day, we got a text
Speaker 2: from a group that says, if you're not here, don't
Speaker 2: come because there's an active shooter. We're I know, We're
Speaker 2: across the street at the hotel and I'm like, let
Speaker 2: me check. You know, the girls are almost ready about
Speaker 2: to go downstairs. I'm like, they're not really, and then
Speaker 2: you just see like a sea of people running. So
Speaker 2: I went downstairs. People were coming into our thing. Long
Speaker 2: story short, same they're saying, kind of same situation. It
Speaker 2: was a fight, you know, but people were these thirty
Speaker 2: to fifty thousand people were fleeing like there was an active shooter.
Speaker 2: People were saying active shooter, and people are very much
Speaker 2: claiming that they heard gunshots. The police are saying that
Speaker 2: there were not. I'm trying not to. We had a
Speaker 2: lot of good friends there. We had a lot of
Speaker 2: good friends with their kids. A lot of good friends
Speaker 2: separated from their kids, and that was a really scary
Speaker 2: part of it. But what's been really interesting is the
Speaker 2: people that were there that thought that they heard gunshots.
Speaker 2: You could not convince them right now that there was
Speaker 2: no active shooter.
Speaker 3: Oh that's creepy.
Speaker 2: I know, it's crazy because they're just so I don't
Speaker 2: want to say convinced, you know, but they are so
Speaker 2: convinced they heard gunshots and rounds of it. You know.
Speaker 2: Some they hid in closets, they barricaded things, You had coaches,
Speaker 2: you had people just grabbing kids because so many kids
Speaker 2: are without parents, had a cheercomp like they just get well,
Speaker 2: you know, they're with coaches, they're on stage, they're backstage,
Speaker 2: all the things, barricaded, all the things. And then a
Speaker 2: lot of people that ran out then they say they
Speaker 2: heard more rounds outside. Then they kind of ran back in.
Speaker 2: So anyway, it was very traumatizing for a lot of
Speaker 2: people crazy how it seems to be about the same
Speaker 2: situation that we went through. We luckily were not there,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people were very traumatized by the situation.
Speaker 2: But they went on and they competed the next day,
Speaker 2: and I was really proud of all the girls. You know,
Speaker 2: we had a lot that were really really traumatized by it.
Speaker 2: So it was tough. But luckily everybody's okay, and there's
Speaker 2: no evidence that there was an active shooter. Luckily people
Speaker 2: did get hurt from like stampedes and stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: like getting also just over these are little kids, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well in are coaches. Like talking to some of the coaches,
Speaker 2: like who didn't even even have some of their own kids, right,
Speaker 2: or they like were like I just scooped up kids
Speaker 2: because they're all just so and like where's my mom?
Speaker 2: You know, like there's just it's hard to explain how
Speaker 2: many people and it makes you think how you handle
Speaker 2: this in the future, Like, you know, the rest of
Speaker 2: the weekend, I didn't just drop her off at the
Speaker 2: team room and leave, you know, because that's what you
Speaker 2: usually do. Like we all stayed and we all stayed
Speaker 2: real close to our kids.
Speaker 3: So it was a while before parents could pick up kids.
Speaker 2: There were there were two very specific kids I know
Speaker 2: that were like missing for a while, but they had
Speaker 2: like a location where they like were like if you
Speaker 2: they kept sending alerts over your phone, like you know,
Speaker 2: like amber alerts essentially, and it said go here to
Speaker 2: rehome families and stuff. But everyone was found, everybody, you know,
Speaker 2: but very scary for those kids that you know and
Speaker 2: parents that were there and dealing with it.
Speaker 3: And but everyone was okay.
Speaker 2: Everyone I know is of some people got like a
Speaker 2: little bit hurt, like legs and stuff like that, but yes,
Speaker 2: everyone was okay. No evidence of a shooter.
Speaker 1: So my goodness, I know, isn't that crazy? Well, yes,
Speaker 1: and it's just yeah scary. Yeah, sorry to mess things
Speaker 1: up though, ladies. I started my period five days early.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I know, well, maybe you'll make me go
Speaker 2: ahead and start that's but it.
Speaker 1: Just all makes sense because I went. It was one
Speaker 1: of those two where I I usually get really sleepy
Speaker 1: before a period. Same and obviously agitated and annoyed the
Speaker 1: world is the sky is falling, crying for you know,
Speaker 1: no reason. I even had a moment where the other
Speaker 1: day I was being huffy and I knew I was
Speaker 1: in the wrong, so I was working out. Alan was
Speaker 1: working out outside, and it was one of those where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, I need to apologize.
Speaker 3: So I just like walked out.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm sorry, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: all they really need, you know, It's just the acknowledgment.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, I really don't know what's
Speaker 1: wrong because this is weird. I'm nine days out from
Speaker 1: my period, Like this doesn't make sense. So usually it's
Speaker 1: like seven days out or eight days out or like no,
Speaker 1: or like five days.
Speaker 3: Out and then all of a sudden boom. I was like,
Speaker 3: so on this morning, I was like, babe, I figured
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: Then I wanted to tell him this time because I
Speaker 1: needed the reason for my like huffiness, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I started my period five days early, and I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: it's going to bring drama to the couch today.
Speaker 2: On wine Down, we usually don't want to tell him
Speaker 2: because we don't want to like give them the satisfaction
Speaker 2: of like, oh, you were cranking as you were starting
Speaker 2: your period.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I think calls it out now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I was having like, you guys, I
Speaker 1: posted this so Jolie had Western day and so I
Speaker 1: posted a photo of her wearing my fringey. I go, oh, Jolie,
Speaker 1: I've got this you know fringe thing that I used
Speaker 1: to wear on stage. Yeah, and uh, and then I thought, well,
Speaker 1: i'd become cute. Maybe look back in some photos, you guys.
Speaker 1: I went on such a deep dive, but it was
Speaker 1: such an em like an emotional rollercoaster that I actually
Speaker 1: I cried and I got depressed. Oh, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: what if that's it? Like what if I live? Because
Speaker 1: it's like what I said in there was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I I Everything I said was you know true, like
Speaker 1: I miss it and I'm so happy that I got
Speaker 1: to actually live a dream out in real life. But
Speaker 1: that dream is over, and I feel like it hit
Speaker 1: me in such a an emotional way where I'm like
Speaker 1: that that's it and it's over, and it it really
Speaker 1: messed me up. And it was the same day that
Speaker 1: you called me crying. I'm on my floor crying, And
Speaker 1: what you didn't know is I wasn't. I didn't tell
Speaker 1: you that I was crying when you called crying, No,
Speaker 1: and you go, what's the matter we have?
Speaker 3: And I was like I'm just emotional and You're like okay, and.
Speaker 1: I was like, so I didn't want to say, but
Speaker 1: I crying too, Yeah, but I didn't.
Speaker 3: I was like, I think I'm a liar because we
Speaker 3: had a talk and I was telling you that we
Speaker 3: had the talk in Chicago. We even talked about it
Speaker 3: on here and was like about being content and we
Speaker 3: feel so good in our lives, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to lie, but I think a lot
Speaker 3: I'm not content. I was like, I think I just
Speaker 3: haven't had time to dream. And now I get emotional
Speaker 3: because I'm like, is it I mean, like I did
Speaker 3: radio and road rules and all these things and.
Speaker 1: Now I'm but it was like the same moment, same
Speaker 1: thing of like it literally in that same moment, and
Speaker 1: it's like I had, you know, just been crying about it,
Speaker 1: posted it and she's feeling that and I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about that a lot lately too, And I think Alan
Speaker 1: is a piece of struggle with that too, where it's
Speaker 1: like he coached on some of the biggest teams, being
Speaker 1: on the England national team and you know, and did this,
Speaker 1: that and the other, and it's like, did.
Speaker 3: We already live.
Speaker 1: The dream that we you know, inspired, and I know
Speaker 1: it changes and there's seasons of it all and there's
Speaker 1: new dreams and there's new things. But maybe that was
Speaker 1: the top of what that was, and it was just
Speaker 1: like it hit really hard and it hurt, and I
Speaker 1: didn't like it and it made me super sad.
Speaker 3: Well, And I also think what is most relatable is
Speaker 3: that we've all like stepped back in some aspect to
Speaker 3: raise families or to be moms or to pour into
Speaker 3: our families differently, even if you're not a mom yet
Speaker 3: or never want to be women kind of there's this
Speaker 3: like natural trajectory that we go on where sometimes you
Speaker 3: just dial it back and certain things slowed to be
Speaker 3: the priority. And I feel like we've done a really
Speaker 3: good job of that for a really long time, and
Speaker 3: also miss a lot of parts of that. Like I
Speaker 3: feel like I've played very supportive role in Preston's we
Speaker 3: are flying right now. It feels awesome and that's incredible,
Speaker 3: but that's another thing on his bucket list right and
Speaker 3: I'm the most involved I've ever been, So that's exciting
Speaker 3: and empowering, but still it's not mine, it's ours ish
Speaker 3: you Knoweah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just and It was funny because when I
Speaker 1: got got home from when Jolie got home from school,
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, baby girl, look at these photos.
Speaker 1: See like you were wearing the same thing. And you know,
Speaker 1: she's like, Mommy, can I can I go with you
Speaker 1: on stage next.
Speaker 3: Time you go on stage? And I was like fighting
Speaker 3: chairs and.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, honey, I was like, mommy, Mommy
Speaker 1: said goodbye to the you know that touring side. And
Speaker 1: she's like why, and it's like, well, I was like
Speaker 1: I wanted to be more with you, and you know,
Speaker 1: used to have a crib on the tour bus, and
Speaker 1: and it was I was trying to explain it in
Speaker 1: a way where, you know, I didn't say like I
Speaker 1: gave it up for her, because I wasn't the total
Speaker 1: truth of it. But it was a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: and and there was a lot of I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's so I have such like a
Speaker 1: love hate with it because is I there's pieces that
Speaker 1: I loved about touring and pieces that were hard about
Speaker 1: touring and the ones I had Jase, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be doing this and.
Speaker 3: What's fair to your children? Yeah? And I like to
Speaker 3: expose them to some things, but they don't need to
Speaker 3: live their life so inconsistently all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, anyways, that was just kind of a moment. And
Speaker 1: then you know, I was, did you guys watch the Oscars? No,
Speaker 1: I've just watched We Are Big Fashion the next day,
Speaker 1: people love Okay, Yeah, I watched the Oscars too, And
Speaker 1: I'm just like Ellen, I know, I know this was
Speaker 1: before it, but I said, I really hope I can
Speaker 1: make it to the Oscars before the in memoriam, the
Speaker 1: what the in memorial.
Speaker 2: You will be? I really believe it. I really believe it.
Speaker 3: My favorite part though, about this phone conversation is that
Speaker 3: Kramer and I will always say we're gonna make it right,
Speaker 3: and we will have been like, you're right, Okay, We're
Speaker 3: going to make it, and it's like and I love you,
Speaker 3: love you too, I love you, I love you too.
Speaker 3: Way too many would make you maybe a little uncomfortable,
Speaker 3: and then it stays for like and then we're like okay,
Speaker 3: and that's it. That portion of the conversation was probably
Speaker 3: half the conversation because I could tell that neither of
Speaker 3: us were ready to like let go of what was
Speaker 3: like the handholding moment on the phone, and we just
Speaker 3: kept going, We're gonna make it right. We are gonna
Speaker 3: make it though right like we do right going back.
Speaker 2: It was just it's a season.
Speaker 3: It's tricky, and I love this season so freaking much.
Speaker 3: I keep telling everyone I'm so in the good old days.
Speaker 3: I know, I am. It's incredible, and I don't I
Speaker 3: actually truthfully mean this. I don't have resentment. I just
Speaker 3: also miss me a lot, and I miss like. The
Speaker 3: thing that I love about doing this with you guys
Speaker 3: is that it brings out a part of me that
Speaker 3: was retired for so long. And when we go out
Speaker 3: and have done the wind downs on stage, there's a
Speaker 3: part of me that lives for that too, and that
Speaker 3: can only be filled right there. Yeah, you can't go
Speaker 3: get that anywhere else. So it's really just special.
Speaker 2: It's just so interesting hearing this because I feel like,
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I had I had dreams and started
Speaker 2: working when I wanted to very early, but like I
Speaker 2: don't know how to say this without it sounding not great,
Speaker 2: but like you have like these really big dreams, not
Speaker 2: to compare dreams, so stay with me here for a second.
Speaker 2: So like these things like you don't feel like you
Speaker 2: you know, this touring life, this acting life. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm like I had a dream of like managing these
Speaker 2: people you know or whatever. But like my the other
Speaker 2: side of this is that going. You know, I felt
Speaker 2: like I did what I needed to do and I'm content.
Speaker 2: But now I'm at a point where I'm like, what
Speaker 2: do I do when these kids leap? Like do I
Speaker 2: need a new dream? Do I like dream bigger? Do
Speaker 2: I stay content with just you know, just doing every
Speaker 2: day but without kids or you know, it's that like
Speaker 2: I hear you say that, and then it gives me
Speaker 2: a little bit of like, man, do I need bigger dreams?
Speaker 2: Like do I need to think bigger? Do I need
Speaker 2: to strive for bigger or or not? You know, And
Speaker 2: it just makes me start going into my head going
Speaker 2: and I think a lot lot of people who are
Speaker 2: maybe home raising babies or who are just working a
Speaker 2: nine to five that maybe never thought of anything you know,
Speaker 2: more extravagant or more you know, I don't know. It
Speaker 2: just really has me thinking with y'all thinking about that,
Speaker 2: like what do we do when these kids are gone?
Speaker 2: Like do we need new dreams?
Speaker 3: Do we need to move in with them wherever they move, Well, depends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. That's just see that's where my
Speaker 2: brain go. That's that is where my brain will go
Speaker 2: and start going down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I don't know well, And I think that's hard to
Speaker 1: because again the whole comparing people on Instagram, it's like
Speaker 1: when you see this person doing this and then you
Speaker 1: then compare your life to it, going, Okay, is this
Speaker 1: am I supposed.
Speaker 3: To do more?
Speaker 1: Or right?
Speaker 2: Am I supposed to want more?
Speaker 3: Right? And maybe the answers like whatever, what do you want?
Speaker 2: Do you want to?
Speaker 1: You know? But I guess asterest question for you. That's
Speaker 1: like that a lot of people probably you know, struggle
Speaker 1: with yeah, as we all do. Yeah, and I think everyone, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean honestly, like I know that sounds ridiculous, but like
Speaker 3: the other day, I really wanted to cry, and I
Speaker 3: just was like, there's just no time for that right now,
Speaker 3: like the way I want to cry, Like I can
Speaker 3: start it, but this is a train that won't stop,
Speaker 3: and so I'll just table that. But like you're in
Speaker 3: between cheer and you're running them to this and running
Speaker 3: them to that, and it's like when is that, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know for you, when there's a time to go, No,
Speaker 3: what does it look like ten years from you?
Speaker 2: I'm telling you Caden's driving now. I mean it's been
Speaker 2: a couple of days and I'm like, between, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is amazing. Like he took himself to the mall
Speaker 2: to go shopping for himself, Like I didn't have to
Speaker 2: do that, Like this is amazing too. Now I spend
Speaker 2: all my time on life three sixty.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that was a drive that was a risk.
Speaker 4: Tribe, how much phone usage, you know, all the things.
Speaker 1: I have a topic that I wanted to bring up
Speaker 1: in host chat. If you saw an ex in public,
Speaker 1: would you acknowledge them? And what are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 3: I Am going to give you my gut reaction because
Speaker 3: I can't judge what the face is saying, Okay, this
Speaker 3: happened to me, yep, and when completely on a good
Speaker 3: time that I knew, Yeah, yeah, I've only run into
Speaker 3: that person the one time in ten years. And it
Speaker 3: was a really strange feeling because I obviously did not
Speaker 3: expect it at all. I mean I should have because
Speaker 3: we were I was back at home, but I was
Speaker 3: just really, I think I just was really dirty. I
Speaker 3: did acknowledge because I had to. We were face to face,
Speaker 3: like it would have been awkward if I didn't. And
Speaker 3: also I still, you know, do hope he has a
Speaker 3: great life. So it's not like, you know, it's not
Speaker 3: like that Charlotte moment in Sex and the City. It's
Speaker 3: like I cursed the day you were born. It's not
Speaker 3: like that. I just, yeah, I acknowledged him. I said,
Speaker 3: you know, you look great and are you happy? And
Speaker 3: I moved it right along. I had the kids with me,
Speaker 3: and I was like, it felt really good to say this.
Speaker 3: I was like, my husband's working, because I didn't have
Speaker 3: that in the previous right, and so I was like,
Speaker 3: my husband's working. So just because it was like, why
Speaker 3: are you here? I was asked of me, and I said, well,
Speaker 3: because I grew up here too, you know, And so
Speaker 3: he acknowledged you back had to. I mean we were
Speaker 3: literally within like a two by two foot square space
Speaker 3: on our way out of an old building.
Speaker 2: Catherine, I think it depends on the situation. I think
Speaker 2: if you see them kind of regularly, yes, I think
Speaker 2: that if you're just running in I can't tell you
Speaker 2: the times I've probably been in a place and didn't
Speaker 2: acknowledge someone I know because I didn't feel like talking.
Speaker 2: So you go the other way. If you meet eyes,
Speaker 2: you acknowledge. You don't have a choice. I just think
Speaker 2: it really depends on the situation. So I need to
Speaker 2: know the situation and then I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just curious if you because I have seen
Speaker 1: an ex out and it's the on both sides, it's
Speaker 1: the we we know the person's there, right, so it's
Speaker 1: I'm wondering which one.
Speaker 2: Oh I know, and absolutely I would not acknowledge to me.
Speaker 1: I think it's so dramatic on both parts of the
Speaker 1: non like of acknowledgement. I think for me it's like
Speaker 1: I'm in a place where like I truly don't hate anyone.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I I might dislike the person, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be friends with certain people, but I think it's dramatic
Speaker 1: for us both to continue to just have that not
Speaker 1: even it's like, I think it's fine to do the
Speaker 1: little like head nod that feels fair.
Speaker 3: I don't again, we don't need to be like, hey,
Speaker 3: how are you.
Speaker 2: I don't want to have a conversation.
Speaker 1: I don't either, But I think it's just like the
Speaker 1: like the acknowledgement to be like hello, you know, and
Speaker 1: then because it's like the over not making eye contact
Speaker 1: on everybody's part just feels so dramatic to me.
Speaker 3: It's like, for what reason isn't everybody happy?
Speaker 2: I think the head nod would it would suffice for
Speaker 2: this situation. The head not feel like, no one needs
Speaker 2: to get into a conversation because that's not going to
Speaker 2: lead to anything good.
Speaker 1: But what the therapist says, and sorry, before you find out,
Speaker 1: the therapist would say, don't give into let's say, a narcisst.
Speaker 1: I'm not calling this person narcissist, but sometimes like if
Speaker 1: it's bad or whatever, then there needs to be obviously right,
Speaker 1: no acknowledgment right and giving letting them come into your space.
Speaker 1: So I understand there's certain areas where you shouldn't acknowledge
Speaker 1: that person because it just gives them more fuel for
Speaker 1: their own narcissism and whatever else there is. Or if
Speaker 1: it was a really bad, you know, breakup, but when
Speaker 1: it's you know, years removed and everyone is I just
Speaker 1: I just don't see the point of this, like dramatic,
Speaker 1: like we're we're making such an effort to not have
Speaker 1: eye contact, well it feels like you abandon It's like
Speaker 1: we're literally two tables away from each other.
Speaker 3: Just just nod.
Speaker 1: So that way the next time, because it continues, we
Speaker 1: keep running into each other time and time again at restaurants.
Speaker 3: So it's like, who, like, okay, hello, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I see both sides. I think that letting it into
Speaker 2: your space makes sense too. Like I think that if
Speaker 2: for you, obviously, for you, you'd rather do the head
Speaker 2: nod and it's not gonna affect you. But let's say
Speaker 2: for someone that it may affect them if they were
Speaker 2: I think it's okay to not acknowledge and move on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but for you, you're like, I mean.
Speaker 1: Everybody's happy, yeah, and it's all good. I don't like
Speaker 1: what you say this person. You don't know if that
Speaker 1: person's happy, Well they look happy.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean they are loving they must be.
Speaker 1: I mean, like we're all like happy in relationships, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: Like I'm happy, acknowledge me. You don't necessarily like.
Speaker 1: They're with their significant beautiful other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So like everyone's good, and like I would say at
Speaker 1: least just ahead.
Speaker 3: No, I would never, I'll be honest, There's no one
Speaker 3: I would, even the one that I dislike the most.
Speaker 3: I still would give a hey like, move along.
Speaker 2: I mean, if that's then from a far I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna go out of my way.
Speaker 3: You're ducking behind cereal two minutes, you're avoid icon.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I will go this way. If this person is
Speaker 2: far far away, if we are passing each other, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to acknowledge and do the head nod.
Speaker 3: You should send that person an appetizer next time. Unavoidable.
Speaker 3: I'm so far like I think it's so.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would even welcome people back on a
Speaker 1: couch to talk.
Speaker 2: Well, we all know that that is you and that
Speaker 2: is you, and I don't want, no, no.
Speaker 3: Not not to hang out, but like just a conversation.
Speaker 2: Where I think, I think that that might be the
Speaker 2: one topic where most of us, of your friends minus
Speaker 2: one of them, would disagree. Right, you're just but I
Speaker 2: do love that about you though, I just don't feel
Speaker 2: about us are in that world.
Speaker 1: I just get such a growth moment for everyone to hear,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Not growing. But yeah, I agree, I feel great, I
Speaker 2: feel great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I think it feels good to you to
Speaker 3: be able to do that.
Speaker 1: So I just love good energy and I just like
Speaker 1: it doesn't doesn't and I and honestly like it used
Speaker 1: to really bother me. Now I just think it's funny
Speaker 1: and I life like now I'm just like.
Speaker 2: You'll literally go to the same like y'all freak all
Speaker 2: the time. And it's like, how does ALAN feel about it?
Speaker 1: They were like facing each other, one of them, I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you looking at each other?
Speaker 3: Like what is happening?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Wild?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And so I just you know, okay, but like I
Speaker 1: don't care like it used to bother me because I
Speaker 1: had such hatred for this, you know, even though I
Speaker 1: say I don't hate people, but I still had such anger.
Speaker 1: I had such anger around it and how it unfolded.
Speaker 1: But now it's so just petty and long gone and
Speaker 1: ever it's all good now and I don't care anymore.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't affect me anymore. When I see that person,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, it's just my past, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean, he doesn't care, like he
Speaker 1: literally is like I remember one time ran into the person.
Speaker 1: I was like, it just I go, I don't like
Speaker 1: the way I feel because of how everything unfolded, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, why do you let it affect you?
Speaker 1: And I really I brought that to therapy and talked
Speaker 1: to Amy about it because I'm like, why do I
Speaker 1: let it affect me?
Speaker 3: Why does it bother me so much?
Speaker 1: And I was able to kind of work through it
Speaker 1: with her and now it's like, yeah, now it's I
Speaker 1: just find it just silly and funny.
Speaker 2: The other side of that, though, is I bet he
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like you do.
Speaker 1: Like I think he still villainizes me, yes, and like
Speaker 1: make and I know he does because he like tells
Speaker 1: people that I'm crazy and this is it was all so,
Speaker 1: and he's never taken ownership. And I think that's the
Speaker 1: difference in it is like I know he still says
Speaker 1: which or maybe not now, but like a few years
Speaker 1: ago calling me like crazy and this, that and the
Speaker 1: other and like villainized me, never took ownership, So he
Speaker 1: might still be on that same I agree, Uh, he
Speaker 1: might still be doing that, which is why to him,
Speaker 1: it's like.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't be able to do that same thing that
Speaker 2: you can now do because you've moved past it and
Speaker 2: you've moved past the anger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he probably has not done the same or maybe
Speaker 1: it makes her uncomfortable maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's fair. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: But also, like you know, I like again wish our
Speaker 1: happiness for everybody. But I just to me in just
Speaker 1: it's just general. I thought it was just.
Speaker 3: An interesting that is a good topic. I like it
Speaker 3: to just talk about it.
Speaker 2: At first, I thought, I was like, why are we
Speaker 2: talking about Mike? We see him all the time. Why
Speaker 2: are we not acknowledging, which I have done that with
Speaker 2: Mike for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, on that note, let's take a break and then
Speaker 1: you know, you know what's next, Ladies. Shockingly, I don't
Speaker 1: have a wine about it today. I'm actually saving it
Speaker 1: for next week.
Speaker 3: Oh I like that you've pinned it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pinning it because I want to sit with
Speaker 1: a little bit more, because it's got some tea on it.
Speaker 3: Oh, so stay tuned today for next week.
Speaker 2: Is it an update to something with what? Never mind?
Speaker 3: No, go ahead, go Is.
Speaker 2: It an update to what we talked about a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago. Yes, okay, that's what I was thinking,
Speaker 2: And I just need.
Speaker 1: To, like, I feel like the most mature thing for
Speaker 1: me to do is to still kind of sit with
Speaker 1: it so I can have a but I do want
Speaker 1: to spill some a little bit more tea, so stay tuned.
Speaker 3: But I really don't have a wine. Cat, you have
Speaker 3: a wine.
Speaker 2: I don't, really I do.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, so love I don't know if you follow
Speaker 3: the Guinea Pig chronicles the Guinea Pig. Okay. In this,
Speaker 3: we went out the other night, and we were out
Speaker 3: it was started to be dinner time, so we pulled
Speaker 3: over into the best of the worst options in the
Speaker 3: chain tiny town area that we're in, right, so we
Speaker 3: decide cracker Barrel. Okay, kids always pick it because they
Speaker 3: get toys. They don't get toys this time, I'd like
Speaker 3: to say good. So we sit down, but I need
Speaker 3: to frame that it was cracker Barrel because I always
Speaker 3: enjoy a good Cracker Barrel visit. I feel like the
Speaker 3: staff is always overly friendly, and that is one thing
Speaker 3: that I really appreciate. I was a server for six years.
Speaker 3: I managed a restaurant for a year. I want to
Speaker 3: say all of that, and I will say that the
Speaker 3: server still got twenty percent. Okay, all that being said,
Speaker 3: so we sit down and she is whispering basically the
Speaker 3: tone that the tone I can tell she's Savers whispering. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's essentially like the character and pitch perfect that, like
Speaker 3: you can't hear anything, and so or I said, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, if it's okay with you, and I'm always
Speaker 3: the kindest because I was a server, I said, if
Speaker 3: you don't when you do drinks, can I just give
Speaker 3: you the kids food? I need to be like a
Speaker 3: little proactive other than reactive. And she was like so,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, I'm sorry, I can't okay,
Speaker 3: And I can tell Preston's already, like he's with people
Speaker 3: so much that I can tell, so now I'm running
Speaker 3: tight d He's never an angry guy, but I could
Speaker 3: tell he's getting annoyed already. So we ask for biscuits.
Speaker 3: She brings the biscuits no plates. So I say, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm just you know, if it's okay, we just I
Speaker 3: would love to just grab like some just some red plates.
Speaker 3: She kind of rolls her eyes and departs from the table,
Speaker 3: comes back with a stack of napkins, sets them down,
Speaker 3: and says, all of our bread plates are dirty. I
Speaker 3: should also tee up the story by saying there is
Speaker 3: maybe five tables in there. Maybe not exaggerating, right, So
Speaker 3: why is everything dirty? I don't know. Are you just lazy?
Speaker 3: It's a confusing Is this your first day? I don't
Speaker 3: do Were you just born? Because it's starting to feel
Speaker 3: a little bit like that. So she comes back over
Speaker 3: and she says she says that that they're dirty, and
Speaker 3: I say, oh, okay, well then well and Preston's looking
Speaker 3: at me like is this real life? Right? And she
Speaker 3: slaps the napkins down and I said, well, then we'll
Speaker 3: just take big plates. That's fine, right, And she goes, well,
Speaker 3: these napkins will work. Oh, same same face, same thought.
Speaker 3: And I said, actually, we'll just take the big plates.
Speaker 3: We're not camping. What is happening. I'm having this moment
Speaker 3: like are we getting punked? What's happening? She grabs the
Speaker 3: napkins okay, furious, rolls her eyes and walks away. At
Speaker 3: this point, see, now this is the difference. And it's
Speaker 3: not that President isn't gracious and that he isn't like
Speaker 3: he's the most patient person. I can just tell he
Speaker 3: has to do this every freaking day that he's not
Speaker 3: with us, and he's like over it, right, and he
Speaker 3: we have this inside joke that like we work here.
Speaker 3: Everywhere we go we work here. I'm at best Buy,
Speaker 3: I'm helping him get a product protection plan. Like where
Speaker 3: it's just like no one's working. So I guess my
Speaker 3: wine about is I feel like we are. I pray
Speaker 3: that the people in our generation are creating people that
Speaker 3: want to work again, because I deeply feel like we
Speaker 3: are lacking work ethic, common sense. I know I sound
Speaker 3: like an old lady and I'm well aware of that,
Speaker 3: but it is wildly disheartening out there. And I even
Speaker 3: I wasn't ever rude to her and again tipped her
Speaker 3: twenty percent because I'm like, this is I needed to
Speaker 3: say go get the other plates because like I need
Speaker 3: her to think outside of the box, But like, why
Speaker 3: isn't she thinking outside of the box? Right? And so
Speaker 3: I'm just I feel like everywhere we go, it's not
Speaker 3: worth spending the money to go do anything anymore because
Speaker 3: no one is really wanting to be there or work right,
Speaker 3: And that's frustrating because everything is also way more expensive
Speaker 3: than it used to be. Yeah, I feel I don't
Speaker 3: how old was she? She looked young okay, Like I
Speaker 3: would say, I would be shocked if she had reached
Speaker 3: the twenties, So.
Speaker 1: I don't want to group everybody together in that age range.
Speaker 1: Having said that, the twenty year old's, the young twenty
Speaker 1: year olds that I have worked with are not as proactive,
Speaker 1: not as they don't show up the way that I
Speaker 1: remember I showed up when I was twenty and grinding
Speaker 1: and doing the things that I did. The they like
Speaker 1: to take shortcuts and not do the job.
Speaker 3: I'd agree. I would also agree that maybe they have
Speaker 3: better boundaries than we do. Maybe they like when you
Speaker 3: told me I'm a salary position, I am working to detriment.
Speaker 3: I'm their eighty hours. You can call me at ten.
Speaker 3: That's fine, I mean zero boundaries. I still have PTSD.
Speaker 3: If the next tel sound that Jamaican next heel ring,
Speaker 3: that used to happen because that was like the radio station,
Speaker 3: So I get it. I love to honor that. But
Speaker 3: like I've had babysitters, not the one I have now,
Speaker 3: but I've had babysitters before where they're like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: have to leave here by eleven, I have to be
Speaker 3: here at eleven. Well, now I'm stuck in traffic. At
Speaker 3: Nashville and I'm trying to get home and blah blah
Speaker 3: blah blah, and I'm stressed out. And then I get
Speaker 3: home and they talked to me for an hour. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what are we doing? If you need to leave it eleven?
Speaker 3: I want you squealing tires at eleven to one? Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I'm busting my ass to get back here. It's
Speaker 3: just a different work ethic, and I just want us
Speaker 3: to course correct it. We can still have boundaries, but
Speaker 3: to get your eyes, like the eye rolling and the
Speaker 3: like you're giving me napkins. Yeah, what is happening? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And a restaurant. I mean, listen, it's cracker barrel. It's
Speaker 3: not like but also this is wild to me. Yes?
Speaker 3: Do I sound like a crotchy old lady?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I think again, it's just And I wonder what are
Speaker 1: the people forty when we were twenty with the forty
Speaker 1: year olds would have said about us. I wonder too,
Speaker 1: because ib we should call somebody and ask to make
Speaker 1: that our homework, because that's an interesting spin on it.
Speaker 1: Having said that, though, remember I sent you that one
Speaker 1: video we were we were trialing this one person for
Speaker 1: Roman's nanny, and when she was done. I mean she
Speaker 1: left the house a disaster. I mean toys and stuff
Speaker 1: literally everywhere, And so I sent her a video and
Speaker 1: I said, hey, moving forward, like, when I'm done working,
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do is come home
Speaker 1: to this messy house, Like, can you please clean up
Speaker 1: the toys that you guys played with, because when you
Speaker 1: got here in the morning, I clean up the toys
Speaker 1: that we played with in the morning. I left you
Speaker 1: a very clean house, and I would just appreciate the
Speaker 1: house being left that same way, you know. And even
Speaker 1: her if her response wasn't like oh, I'm so sorry
Speaker 1: and like that won't happen again, it was like, well,
Speaker 1: like excuses, and I'm like, I did defense ask for
Speaker 1: a defensiveness on it, you know, like I just can
Speaker 1: this just not be left this way? It's weirderiod, and
Speaker 1: it's not everybody like I feel right now like I
Speaker 1: do have the best of the best, but it's like, also,
Speaker 1: I didn't have help for eight years because I was
Speaker 1: I would rather just not well. And they're asking like
Speaker 1: if you were asking for thirty dollars an hour at
Speaker 1: twenty years old, you better be showing up for what
Speaker 1: thirty dollars an hour. Looks like this is not thirty
Speaker 1: dollars an hour, no type of you know, no sitting
Speaker 1: at all, you know what I mean? Like I know,
Speaker 1: and I think I also stomach, like it's a lot
Speaker 1: of money to our family. So exactly, I was an
Speaker 1: assistant for this lead and I was to be her clothing.
Speaker 1: I worked at the store called Weekends. It was on
Speaker 1: in Te Luca Lake. She was so not nice to me,
Speaker 1: but I just wanted her approval so badly and I
Speaker 1: worked so hard for her. So most of it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be at the store and I would help
Speaker 1: with you know things, folding the clothes and everything. But
Speaker 1: then she would also bring me to her house and
Speaker 1: she would literally give me a toothbrush and say can
Speaker 1: you clean the floor. And I was on my hands
Speaker 1: and knees scrubbing with a toothbrush. That's right to make money,
Speaker 1: like in between my movies and stuff.
Speaker 3: And it's like saying, I don't think where's the art.
Speaker 3: I guess if.
Speaker 1: We gave a toothbrush to a twenty year old baby,
Speaker 1: like I'm finally in a loss of lawsuit.
Speaker 3: And also watch my TikTok It just my viral and
Speaker 3: terrible boss.
Speaker 1: But I would never do that, all right, So this
Speaker 1: week's headline is Courtney Kardashian addresses viral rumors son Mason,
Speaker 1: fifteen has a baby in a rare statement. Courtney Kardashian
Speaker 1: is shutting down the viral rumors that her fifteen year
Speaker 1: old son Mason has a baby. On Sunday, March second,
Speaker 1: the Kardashian star forty five why did they put the age?
Speaker 1: Shared a rare statement on her Instagram story. I rarely
Speaker 1: address rumors or conspiracies regarding myself or my family, but
Speaker 1: this is about my child, and it feels wrong to
Speaker 1: let anyone think for a second that these lies are
Speaker 1: remotely true. They are not. Mason does not have a child.
Speaker 1: These accounts that pretend to be him are definitely not.
Speaker 1: They're fake. My son really values his privacy, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm asking all media to please be respectful. He is
Speaker 1: a kid with feelings and a beautiful life ahead of him.
Speaker 1: Please stop spreading false narratives and spinning lies. And to
Speaker 1: all the other people making videos about my kids, who
Speaker 1: by the way, are miners, please stop and leave them alone.
Speaker 1: So first and foremost, you know to her point she
Speaker 1: rarely addresses rumors or conspiracies about herself or family.
Speaker 3: I mean they would be doing it all.
Speaker 1: Day, exhausting every day, like it's the most Like you said,
Speaker 1: it must be like the most exhausting. It would take
Speaker 1: up your entire day because people are always talking about
Speaker 1: them and what's you know, this conspiracy or that or
Speaker 1: when it comes to this though, I'm I saw and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, girl, like one thousand percent, good
Speaker 1: on you, because don't don't talk about kids. Don't don't
Speaker 1: talk about my kids or lies like that. That's that's
Speaker 1: harmful to that child.
Speaker 3: I also would say that I think it carries more
Speaker 3: weight because she doesn't comment often, right, which is what
Speaker 3: I liked about it. I was like, well, man, Courtney's commenting,
Speaker 3: then it must be something protected. I didn't know, like
Speaker 3: where was this all? Was it a TikTok?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or all over TikTok?
Speaker 3: That's so sad?
Speaker 2: Well, so do you know the backstory to kind of
Speaker 2: like what happened? Basically, it was a girl that he
Speaker 2: did date or had seen photos of, at least presumably
Speaker 2: dating all of a sudden, has a one year old.
Speaker 2: Then there's an Instagram account where he is, supposedly him,
Speaker 2: goes in and answers these questions, says, yes, I had
Speaker 2: a child, her name is Piper, here's photos, and then
Speaker 2: it gets scrubbed, you know, a little while later. I
Speaker 2: agree with everything that you've said. I don't know that
Speaker 2: everyone believes her because I think there was a lot
Speaker 2: of other things as well. I think that there's also
Speaker 2: accounts with this girl going on there. When I'm looking
Speaker 2: at it and I'm not saying it's true or not true,
Speaker 2: the kid looks a lot like him, Like, so it's again,
Speaker 2: kids are not kids.
Speaker 3: I'm getting kind of mind exactly right now.
Speaker 2: No, not against me, like I agree.
Speaker 3: Feeding into the like it looks like them, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: I understand though, where people went there because he posted it,
Speaker 2: Like he literally actually posted, yes I have a kid,
Speaker 2: presumably his account.
Speaker 3: Oh it was.
Speaker 2: It was a Q and A and him answering these questions,
Speaker 2: presumably him. They went away all of that. I was
Speaker 2: really happy that she did post it, that she stood
Speaker 2: up for him, of all the things, like if this
Speaker 2: is not true, you absolutely address that. I just worry that,
Speaker 2: not even worry. I hate it for him that it's
Speaker 2: it's going to, in my opinion, probably continue because I
Speaker 2: don't think a lot of people are buying it. If
Speaker 2: you go back to TikTok now and you search for
Speaker 2: the stuff, it's basically saying that Courtney Kardashian spent all
Speaker 2: this money to bury it. So there's a lot of
Speaker 2: conspiracies out there, a lot about it. It's it's everywhere
Speaker 2: on TikTok, I mean, and it's like it's crazy, and
Speaker 2: I feel so bad for her, irregardless, in him, irregardless
Speaker 2: if this is true or not true, Like let the
Speaker 2: kid have a baby in private if he wants to also,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I mean, I'm going to
Speaker 2: choose to believe that that's the truth because she put
Speaker 2: out a statement, and I don't think that she would
Speaker 2: put out a statement. Does the statement.
Speaker 3: Say it is not his son, or she says he
Speaker 3: does not have a Sien does not have a child.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a daughter.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I just was looking for the loophole right for
Speaker 3: a second.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I was wondering if maybe like.
Speaker 3: Honest family. I feel like they have been you guys,
Speaker 3: like we know too much, you know, and they've been
Speaker 3: honest about the things that something about and rightfully so
Speaker 3: not kids.
Speaker 2: They have so gone in private, yeah about a lot
Speaker 2: of things.
Speaker 1: And I respect that so much because it's not their
Speaker 1: and what like we have said things like, oh, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have said this about Emmy, or maybe I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have said this about there's we start to really go, Okay,
Speaker 1: We've got to protect the kids, even though yes, we
Speaker 1: show them on social media, and there will be a
Speaker 1: time when I stop showing them so much because they
Speaker 1: also be like, maybe they don't want to be on
Speaker 1: social media, and maybe I should have waited until they
Speaker 1: had a choice.
Speaker 3: But also it is what it is, and that's how
Speaker 3: I started it.
Speaker 2: And absolutely, and I think this is where it gets
Speaker 2: tricky because it seemingly he chose he had been off
Speaker 2: of social media for about a year, he had not
Speaker 2: been on the show. He had not he'd kind of been,
Speaker 2: And I think that's where all this speculation started. Why
Speaker 2: is he not on the show? Where is he what
Speaker 2: is happening? He's not on social media? All those things,
Speaker 2: So I think that's where everyone started speculating about things.
Speaker 2: There also was a TikTok showing a house a house
Speaker 2: in Malibu. I do not know the truth to this,
Speaker 2: but that he had been seen going in and out
Speaker 2: of apparently that was linked back to her. Who knows
Speaker 2: if that's true. But on the flip side, I can
Speaker 2: see where these speculations got to the world we're in now,
Speaker 2: where these speculations got to where they did, because he
Speaker 2: presumably was back on social media and answered that he
Speaker 2: had a child. Her name is Piper. They did date
Speaker 2: these two, I believe. Again I don't true, maybe, but total.
Speaker 3: Could he just going to a friend's house and like say, and.
Speaker 1: This is what is so scary about Today's not only
Speaker 1: AI but also I'm not saying true, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things that come now on Instagram or social media.
Speaker 1: They're like look at this. I'm like, that is completely
Speaker 1: AI and not true. Then there's other things that you
Speaker 1: know of that that might possibly be true. We don't
Speaker 1: actually know what the truth is because of all this
Speaker 1: AI generated stuff.
Speaker 2: It's scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then when it then because now social media
Speaker 1: seems to be where people go for news things and
Speaker 1: spreading information. I don't That's why I'm always like, what's
Speaker 1: the truth?
Speaker 3: Is true? Is this not true? What is like?
Speaker 1: Where is the truth in all of this, and so
Speaker 1: that's my fear with it because do you remember back
Speaker 1: in the day too, where they went on this whole
Speaker 1: conspiracy about how Chloe was Ojay's daughter daughter. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, how harmful and so sad for her too,
Speaker 1: to have that be a rumor that she's like her father,
Speaker 1: that she was so close to people are speculating that
Speaker 1: that actually wasn't her father because she.
Speaker 3: Was so tall was one of the reasons.
Speaker 1: Don't look like you know it's so I think it's
Speaker 1: just this is the part of social media that I
Speaker 1: just find so dangerous and hurtful.
Speaker 3: I'd agree.
Speaker 2: I also think too, this is where it gets tricky
Speaker 2: for celebrities and their children to be on social media.
Speaker 2: And that's a whole other topic, but that's where it
Speaker 2: gets super, super tricky. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: we don't even know presumably it wasn't his account, so
Speaker 2: people are making accounts acting like Kim at this point.
Speaker 2: So it's it's a it's a kind of damned if
Speaker 2: you do, damned if you don't situation. But I am
Speaker 2: just saying I can see where people speculated these things,
Speaker 2: but kids are still off limits. I will always agree
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've yes, I do agree. I've made mistakes
Speaker 1: in that in the past a way as far ago
Speaker 1: of making comments about you know, kid or sure, we
Speaker 1: all have learned lessons, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: I will say this, and this is take Now, take
Speaker 1: the Kardashian story. We're closing the door on that.
Speaker 3: We're not. That's that's done.
Speaker 1: My question to you girls within this headline is how
Speaker 1: far would you go for your kids and what would
Speaker 1: what lie would you tell? Did you guys ever see
Speaker 1: that movie the TV show The juror not.
Speaker 2: The jur Yes, is that the one?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking to. It's it's the jury.
Speaker 2: No, it's the he's the judge.
Speaker 3: He's a judge.
Speaker 1: So he's the judge in a case his son actually
Speaker 1: ended up killing.
Speaker 3: This is I mean, this is.
Speaker 1: So sidebarring, but I'm just posing the question because it
Speaker 1: brings up what we would do for our kids and
Speaker 1: what lies we would tell for our kids. So the
Speaker 1: son again, this is this is a story, this isn't
Speaker 1: even a true story. But the son ended up running
Speaker 1: over by accident, complete accident. Comes to find out that
Speaker 1: his son was the one that did it. So he
Speaker 1: then oh, my god, Easton, we're wrong. It's called your honor.
Speaker 1: But yes, that is.
Speaker 2: Right the judge.
Speaker 3: But come to it where.
Speaker 1: You know, he comes home and they have this moment
Speaker 1: where he realizes that he was the one that did it,
Speaker 1: and so then he frames other people, not people, but
Speaker 1: tries to you know, get the him acquitted basically of
Speaker 1: it and never knowing that it was him. What would
Speaker 1: you do for your kids in a situation? How far
Speaker 1: would you lie for your kids in a situation if
Speaker 1: you don't want some what if they did a father
Speaker 1: of a child, or what if they did do X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z, like what would you do to protect
Speaker 1: them in this kind of day and age.
Speaker 2: I think all situations are different.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to monitor how much I share.
Speaker 2: What did we just know?
Speaker 3: Not that I need to protect anyone, just that this
Speaker 3: is a common kind of what you're going to think
Speaker 3: is wild kind of common conversation in our house because
Speaker 3: I in both sides of the family, we have some
Speaker 3: wild enabling. And I am saying there is a full
Speaker 3: grown man in our family that is wildly enabled to
Speaker 3: the point of like detriment to me, Like we can
Speaker 3: when at what point do you become an adult and
Speaker 3: start handling your stuff. And so I think what gets
Speaker 3: tricky is like, I, you know, I'm talking about a
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen I understand, but he didn't get there
Speaker 3: because he was a Yeah, because he was a ten
Speaker 3: year old, and then he was a fifteen year old,
Speaker 3: and then he was a seventeen year old, and it
Speaker 3: was the wild enabling yep. And so the conversation and
Speaker 3: Preston presses this conversation or this question to me often
Speaker 3: is he's like, well, what would you do if that
Speaker 3: was Legend? And I don't, Okay, no one knows what
Speaker 3: they would do until they're in a situation, and no
Speaker 3: one knows any situation until they're in it. I firmly
Speaker 3: believe both of those things. I really feel like responsibility.
Speaker 3: You have to face responsibility head on always because if
Speaker 3: you lie about something, it always becomes worse, and if
Speaker 3: you enable something, it always becomes worse. In my history,
Speaker 3: I can't think of a time where that's proven. Otherwise,
Speaker 3: if Legend fathered a child at fifteen, I don't think
Speaker 3: it's anybody's business but our own families, So would you
Speaker 3: lie for them if it came out I don't know,
Speaker 3: because I think the world eats people alive now and
Speaker 3: I think it makes it Having a kid at fifteen
Speaker 3: is already going to be I walked that when I
Speaker 3: was fifteen with friends. Oh, I was like, no, do
Speaker 3: we have do I No? But I had a girlfriend
Speaker 3: who had a baby at thirteen, and you know, like
Speaker 3: it's really hard and I can't imagine. I know, I
Speaker 3: can't imagine. If social media was a thing, then people
Speaker 3: had enough to say and there was enough judgment cast,
Speaker 3: and there was all you know, so like, imagine that
Speaker 3: as a mom, you could take that piece away from them,
Speaker 3: the piece that's uneducated and speculating, widely judgmental, and at
Speaker 3: least take that layer off of them. I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's just my honest heart.
Speaker 2: I think for me, I have always said, and I've
Speaker 2: not been in this situation yet, I've always said, I've
Speaker 2: always said, you wanted to I'm getting there. I'm getting there.
Speaker 1: I'll let you call yourself out on.
Speaker 2: That is literally my next My first call out is
Speaker 2: that I have always told my kids, and I've always
Speaker 2: said from seeing being in high school, if my kid
Speaker 2: gets pulled over and they go to jail, they will
Speaker 2: spend that night in jail, like, I'm not bailing you out.
Speaker 2: Having said that, I would like to say, if my
Speaker 2: kid actually killed someone, I wouldn't. I don't know what
Speaker 2: I would do in that situation. To me, that's like
Speaker 2: a whole extreme situation where their life is ruined. The
Speaker 2: other side of that is, to me, my kid's life
Speaker 2: is not ruined if they have a kid at actually
Speaker 2: fourteen is when he had this supposed child.
Speaker 3: I would say, what help?
Speaker 2: I have said that to my children.
Speaker 3: I want you to say what you've said to me.
Speaker 2: I'm saying I will help that kid. Now what you
Speaker 2: said you want to be a hot young grand No,
Speaker 2: I'm saying I will help with that baby.
Speaker 3: You're like, I would love to have that.
Speaker 2: I would. I mean love is a strong I wouldn't
Speaker 2: really love for my child's because it would be a hard,
Speaker 2: but I would not lie about it. I would probably
Speaker 2: tell I'll just go with it. Let's just say, Kayden,
Speaker 2: he's sixteen. I would probably say, get off social media,
Speaker 2: but own it, own your truth, be a good father
Speaker 2: or mother. If it's my daughter and we're gonna do
Speaker 2: this together, that would not bother me. I have always yes,
Speaker 2: I'm the one growing up watching sixteen and pregnant, Like, ooh,
Speaker 2: if my kid got pregnant at sixteen, I'm not bad
Speaker 2: ass grandma that's helping with that kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that place I've always remembered that.
Speaker 2: I love it. I gotta say a that's kind of
Speaker 2: my calling. I just didn't see that coming. But honestly,
Speaker 2: if I'm being real now with having like a sixteen
Speaker 2: and a thirteen year old, I wanted someone else's kid.
Speaker 2: I'll help you.
Speaker 3: You got in the day like ten years ago, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I wanted to kids.
Speaker 2: Having said that, though, I would way long ago, right,
Speaker 2: so I would step up and we would do it
Speaker 2: together and my kid would still go to college.
Speaker 3: Like listen, I'm doing that too. I'm just saying publicly.
Speaker 3: I might if I'm a Kardashian, I might not say
Speaker 3: that because I might want it. I don't. I just
Speaker 3: think they just deal with the different level of a wild.
Speaker 2: They do, but they already deal with it. So what
Speaker 2: is I guess maybe what is a little okay? He
Speaker 2: got he got a girl pregnant at fourteen? What is
Speaker 2: any different than anything they've ever faced?
Speaker 3: Because he's fifteen, you would.
Speaker 1: Have to read it. It's not it's not him, it's
Speaker 1: not they've already faced it. But for him, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like his own mental health.
Speaker 2: But he's already well that's why I say he needs
Speaker 2: to get off social media. I think that you can say, yes,
Speaker 2: this is true, please whatever, and then he needs to
Speaker 2: get off social media, and he has to deal with
Speaker 2: the repercussions of getting someone pregnant. You got to step up,
Speaker 2: you got to be a father. He unfortunately, if that
Speaker 2: were true, would have to step up and grow up
Speaker 2: a lot quicker. But that's the reality of what just
Speaker 2: happened to me. That's a little bit of the consequence
Speaker 2: of it, the repercussion of it. But social media is brutal.
Speaker 3: I agree, likely People magazine they already rip them apart, I.
Speaker 2: Know, for right or wrong now anyway, so that they do.
Speaker 3: Just keep going, well that's really.
Speaker 2: I mean they have absolutely.
Speaker 3: I just haven't seen that.
Speaker 2: Well, there hasn't been any because they're protective saying what
Speaker 2: has happened. Mason's the oldest. Yeah, he's the only one
Speaker 2: for it to happen. But I don't think for a
Speaker 2: second they wouldn't attack it.
Speaker 3: I don't know that i'd lie, but I don't know
Speaker 3: that I wouldn't, is all I can say.
Speaker 2: Well, I may not advertise it. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just learned a lot about you
Speaker 3: in the last two minutes.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the family. Like it would be so hard
Speaker 2: for me to be like I have a grandkid and
Speaker 2: not be like, welcome. I would be so excited about
Speaker 2: the I kind of do Okay, wow, all right, Okay,
Speaker 2: Well I don't just told them myself there, okay, And
Speaker 2: they're staying in jail for a day if they go
Speaker 2: to jail.
Speaker 3: I heard that, and I don't doubt that. Actually that's true.
Speaker 2: Sorry, from kidding real.
Speaker 1: From Kayley, When you took technology out of the house,
Speaker 1: how did you do it? Did you wean it out?
Speaker 1: Did you use a certain method? Is all technology cut out?
Speaker 1: Do you use it rewards?
Speaker 3: Et cetera.
Speaker 1: Definitely know there is a need to take it away
Speaker 1: from our eight almost nine year old as well, but
Speaker 1: sometimes we just need it. He's so creative and smart.
Speaker 1: But we'll throw fits about putting it away, doing what
Speaker 1: doing what is supposed to be done, et cetera. And
Speaker 1: now he is starting to become anxious about different things
Speaker 1: and tells us how bad he is at sports, if
Speaker 1: he isn't perfect doing it all the time, if he
Speaker 1: isn't perfect doing it for the first time. I honestly
Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do has to
Speaker 1: tie to his technology and reliance on that. Any help
Speaker 1: resources or whatever you used would be super helpful.
Speaker 2: I have technology so much well.
Speaker 1: So I think that's what the good debate is, right.
Speaker 1: So I think you know, Chris and I are on
Speaker 1: the You started the you paved the way I believe
Speaker 1: of taking the pads iPads away. Yeah, and we didn't
Speaker 1: use them a ton to begin with, so I will
Speaker 1: say I need to say that because I think it's
Speaker 1: easier to take them away when they're not often right.
Speaker 1: And I think where we fell into the habit was
Speaker 1: during quiet time Jolie would get her iPad, and then
Speaker 1: with Jase, he never really liked his iPad, but there
Speaker 1: was a moment where there was a lot of iPad
Speaker 1: watching at a different household, and so I started to
Speaker 1: see how different my son was being, and then what
Speaker 1: it was doing to Jolie. She became so addicted to
Speaker 1: it that then when they'd come here. It was constantly
Speaker 1: asking about it, constantly wanting to be on it. They
Speaker 1: would think if they did something, great, Okay, so I
Speaker 1: did this, Does that mean I get my iPad? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is not a reward, Like technology
Speaker 1: is actually not a reward. Just because you did a
Speaker 1: chore does not mean okay, now you get to get
Speaker 1: your iPad? Like where is this coming from? So I
Speaker 1: wanted to break that habit, just like with snacks and
Speaker 1: desserts and all that too, Like I don't I'm trying
Speaker 1: to rework that too, Like, well, Mammy, I ate on
Speaker 1: my dinner.
Speaker 3: Do I get a dessert?
Speaker 1: I'm like no, that's not like you should eat your dinner,
Speaker 1: you know, like that is what you should do. But
Speaker 1: for Jolie and then learning more about the dyslexia too,
Speaker 1: and how screens and technology is not good. Seeing the
Speaker 1: games that Jace was playing and knowing more about the
Speaker 1: chat room things. I know you can go private on
Speaker 1: that stuff, but I didn't like how he was acting
Speaker 1: with all the roblocks crap that he was playing, and
Speaker 1: I just cold turkey took it away. Now did they
Speaker 1: have it on the planes? And when we were in Scotland. Yes,
Speaker 1: they were sick and that was the tool that I
Speaker 1: needed to be helpful in for that time. But you know,
Speaker 1: since then, they had it on an airplane to fall
Speaker 1: Break in October and that's the last time they've touched
Speaker 1: their iPad. Jolie now has a drawing pad, but that's
Speaker 1: still limited. She can only draw on it. That's that's
Speaker 1: literally all she can do on it. But that I
Speaker 1: even limit that. So for me and my kids, I
Speaker 1: just see what it started to do and then how
Speaker 1: they were acting with it, and I just I want
Speaker 1: them to go play outside. I want them to be creative.
Speaker 1: And now they don't ever ask, they don't ever you know,
Speaker 1: want to go on it, and you know they get
Speaker 1: the video games and all that at their dads, so
Speaker 1: you know, fine, I just know, here is it. Let's
Speaker 1: let's actually play and be creative. And that's what works
Speaker 1: for my kids. I understand it's a great tool for
Speaker 1: other parents, and I know you use it for the
Speaker 1: reasons you want to use it, but I don't think
Speaker 1: does Ramsey even have her iPad a lot.
Speaker 2: Or it depends on the season. Honestly, my kids will
Speaker 2: choose to go outside. I mean now that they're older,
Speaker 2: but like they would choose that over having said that
Speaker 2: in the winter and stuff like that. Yeah, she's been
Speaker 2: on it more, but she They all have screen time,
Speaker 2: they all have a certain amount of time they can
Speaker 2: be on it.
Speaker 3: What do you limit it to? I'm curious, like what
Speaker 3: everyone's limit is.
Speaker 2: Everyone's is different. Ramsey's is two hours. I think one hour.
Speaker 2: I heard it might be when.
Speaker 1: An hour and a half is something that is there
Speaker 1: was something there was some study done about, but believe
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: And we have to keep in mind, which this is
Speaker 2: probably making me even worse, but we have to keep
Speaker 2: in mind our kids are on a computer all day
Speaker 2: at school? Well are they Yeah, that's where they do
Speaker 2: all their work.
Speaker 3: Jace jac does have a chromebook. He only does Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Chromebook maybe in kindergarten, but like, yeah, Ramsey, I mean
Speaker 2: as they get older, especially I mean Ramsey might not
Speaker 2: be on it all day, but like she's on it.
Speaker 2: Like they have chromebooks that they take to and from school.
Speaker 2: So we have to also keep that in mind for
Speaker 2: how much technology they're getting, you know, So I'm kind
Speaker 2: of calling myself out there at that point, because they're
Speaker 2: getting technology that's what they do, and I don't like that.
Speaker 2: I don't like that they're on their computers. I mean
Speaker 2: everything middle school, in high school, everything is on a computer.
Speaker 2: You can't see their tests anymore. It's all all on.
Speaker 3: It's tricky though, right, Like the reason I even introduced
Speaker 3: an iPad to them, and I introduced it late, was
Speaker 3: because I'm like, well, essentially, they need to know how
Speaker 3: to be in their world. Like their world is.
Speaker 2: It's the computer. You have to know how to win,
Speaker 2: and you have to know how to do all that.
Speaker 3: We were at like the very beginning of the big
Speaker 3: fat this this makes us sound so old, but like
Speaker 3: those big computers sitting in our classrooms, and it helped
Speaker 3: us be a little more intuitive as we got older
Speaker 3: and into the speaking was how I learned to type.
Speaker 3: I think it mattered how fast you tie, was like
Speaker 3: all of that. So like I introduced it, going, okay,
Speaker 3: you need to be this needs to be a little
Speaker 3: intuitive to you because this is your world.
Speaker 2: So it's just really tragitives and negative too. I think
Speaker 2: that you know, social media I could have some complaints about,
Speaker 2: but I have not had a need in my house.
Speaker 2: Minus I have screen time, so I can I control it.
Speaker 2: I make sure it's off at a certain time so
Speaker 2: the older ones go to bed or they would stay
Speaker 2: up on it. But besides that, I've had no issues,
Speaker 2: so I've had no reason to take it away. They
Speaker 2: all know and there have been consequences for things where
Speaker 2: they've been taken away or they have no phone at
Speaker 2: all or whatever it is. But they know that I
Speaker 2: can take it away at any point if they do anything,
Speaker 2: you know, But I haven't had a reason, so I haven't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not love who Legend was when he
Speaker 3: was on that.
Speaker 2: I've never had that tree with you and I don't
Speaker 2: even mine don't watch TV, but they never.
Speaker 1: Back in the day because if we're talking boys, it
Speaker 1: was the same thing with the boys was Kayden wasn't
Speaker 1: iPads back in the day like when you and.
Speaker 2: He was not, but he didn't he didn't watch TV.
Speaker 2: Is still the kid that like would go outside no,
Speaker 2: like I mean his back is hurt right now, but
Speaker 2: like he's outside sports. They kind of ish all are.
Speaker 2: Emmy's so busy with cheer that I also give her
Speaker 2: some credit there that she needs to just chill out
Speaker 2: sometimes because she's so active all the time. I could
Speaker 2: see where it could become an issue with Ramsey. It
Speaker 2: did a little bit this winter. But she doesn't throw fits,
Speaker 2: she doesn't get mad if I tell her to turn
Speaker 2: it off. She doesn't zone out, which I mean, I
Speaker 2: know a lot of kids zone out. Yeah, that would
Speaker 2: that would bother me, if I can. I remember that
Speaker 2: about Jolie, and that would be crazy. Yeah. So I
Speaker 2: just think it's to each their own, and I think
Speaker 2: what's better and where you know.
Speaker 3: Like I think, if you're asking the question, you know
Speaker 3: what you need to do usually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like, how do you do it if
Speaker 1: it's ruling the if if it's how do I say that?
Speaker 1: If it's the one running the ship, then that ship
Speaker 1: needs to be taken down? Yeah, that's the question that's
Speaker 1: always posed or the problem. Then eliminate the problem. I think.
Speaker 3: I think most parents would be pleasantly surprised how much
Speaker 3: easier it is.
Speaker 1: I was shocked how easy it was. Yes, like I think,
Speaker 1: yes so quickly. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was going
Speaker 1: to be a huge struggle.
Speaker 3: No it wasn't. All right, ladies, see you next week.
Speaker 3: Bye bye.
Speaker 4: By