1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: A thirteen year old little girl seemingly vanishes into thin air, 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: a little cheerleader eighth grade or Tristan Bailey. Then a 3 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: twist in the case. Christin Bailey was reported missing by 4 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: her family on Sunday morning. Hours later, her body was 5 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: found in a wooded area near her neighborhood. The medical 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: examiner says she was stabbed to debt. You were just 7 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: hearing our friend Jennifer Redi at WJXT News for Jacksonville. 8 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: Let me introduce you an all star panel to somehow 9 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: makes sense of this. First of all, James Shelna, twenty 10 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: seven years metro major case detective, now lawyer, and you 11 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: can find him at Shelna Law Firm dot com. Doctor 12 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 1: Susan Lipkin's renowned psychologists joining us. Author of preventing hazing 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: at sidhasing dot com. Doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner 14 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: for the entire state of Florida. You can find him 15 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: at pathcaretmed dot com. Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coldcase 16 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Research Institute, forensic expert at Coldcasecrimes dot org. But first 17 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: out to Ray Kaputo, lead anchor WDBO. Ray, thank you 18 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: for joining us. I don't understand where exactly this happened 19 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: and what part at the news reports are out of Jacksonville. 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: But this did not happen in Jacksonville proper, did it. No, Nancy, 21 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: has happened in Saint John's County, which is south of Jacksonville. 22 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: It's an absolutely gorgeous part of the state. And Tristan 23 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: Balley lived in a neighborhood that was nestled between the 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: Saint John's River in I ninety five. It was a 25 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,639 Speaker 1: really quiet neighborhood. It was a safe neighborhood. In fact, 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, Tristan was only thirteen, but this was late 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: Saturday night, early Sunday morning into Mother's Day and she 28 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: was out late hanging out at a community center in 29 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: her neighborhood. You know, Cheryl McCollum. That reminds me so 30 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: much of growing up in rural Georgia. We had the 31 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: Rutland Community Center and that was the thing in the 32 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. I mean you had to drive thirty 33 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: minutes to get to McDonald's, let me just put it 34 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: that way, but we could walk back and forth. It 35 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: was a good little trek to the Rutland Community Center. 36 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: My brother played in a rock band, the Reflections, and 37 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: that was it on a Saturday night to walk to 38 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: the community Rutland Community Center, and nobody thought anything about 39 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:35,559 Speaker 1: at Cheryl Nancy. This particular community center is inside her neighborhood. 40 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: That's where the swimming pool is, the tennis courts. I 41 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: am certain these you know, her parents thought she was safe. 42 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: She was hanging out with kids she's grown up with 43 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: and lives next door to. You know, a lot of 44 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: finger pointing has been going on at the family, at 45 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: other people involved in this case, in this investigation, but 46 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: now is not the time for finger pointing. Now is 47 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: the time for fact finding. Take a listen to our 48 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: friends at News for Jacksonville. The medical examiner ruled Tristan 49 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: Bailey's death a homicide. The cause stabbing, The details downright disturbing, 50 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: most being kept confidential. We got to keep as many 51 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: in facts of this case out of the public realm 52 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: to ensure the integrity of the investigation and ensure a 53 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: proper prosecution, for justice, an accountability in this case. Now 54 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: the medical examiner has ruled this a homicide right off 55 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: the bat stabbing. Let me go to doctor Tim Gallagher, 56 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: the medical examiner for the State of for the State 57 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: of Florida, Doctor Gallagher, I understand that there have been 58 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: times that you had to keep the facts of an 59 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: investigation under your hat secret, so to speak. And that's 60 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: what they were doing here, trying to keep as many 61 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: details of the investigation a secret. Have there been times 62 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: you had to keep facts of a and otherwise public 63 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: investigation secret. Oh, there have been. We've had many cases 64 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: of high profile cases where the media has tried to 65 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: get information from the office in very creative ways. We've 66 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: had cases where they would put a GoPro camera on 67 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: a stick and hold it up to the window and 68 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: GoPro camera. My son loves those things. He's always trying 69 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: to attach them to his body or his head or 70 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: his helmet somehow. So you're saying, somebody actually put a 71 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: GoPro on a stick and somehow stuck it in a 72 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: window at the morgue. We've had that, Yes, and uh. 73 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: People come into the Medical Examiner's office in all types 74 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: of disguises, and they may be disguised as a working part, 75 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: as a transporter, a clergy, a family member. They may 76 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: claim to be a member of representing the family. Um. 77 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: We've had people who would walk and try to forcibly 78 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: come into the medical examiner his office demanding records and 79 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: photographs and viewing of the body. So security actually come 80 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: in dress like clergy or claim to be the victim's 81 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: family to get a look at the dead body or 82 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: to find out information. They do. You know, we've had 83 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: members of religions that are part of maybe the Caribbean 84 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: that come in and try to perform some They want 85 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: to perform some sort of religious thing to get the 86 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: person reanimated, to they say, to reanimate them. Are you 87 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: talking about voodoo? Talking about voodoo Paolo Matumbai and Santa Ria, 88 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: all those types of religion. Do you know, Gallagher, where 89 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: did you go to medical school? Just curious Orto Medical 90 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: School in the state of Maine. So I guess you 91 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: never thought you'd be talking about Santoria or voodoo one day, 92 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: as when it comes to an autopsy being performed for 93 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: Pete's sake. And when I asked you the question, have 94 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: you ever had to keep facts of the case under 95 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: your hat like they are in the case of thirteen 96 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: year old cheerleader Justin Bailey, I had no idea voodoo 97 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: was kind of come out of that question to James Shelner, 98 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: twenty seven years Metro major case detective, now lawyer. Why 99 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: is it so critical in certain cases that facts do 100 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: not leak to the public. Well, I think you want 101 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: to preserve the integrity of the investigation, and one of 102 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: those aspects is preserving witnesses memory, making sure that what 103 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: they tell you as accurate that is from their own 104 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: recollection or what they personally observed instead of what they 105 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: observed from the news. Additionally, as it's pounded out a 106 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: mind to go, the investigators allowed to talk to people first. 107 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: What you're seeing now as a trend of people hiring 108 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: private investigators who go talk to these witnesses first, or 109 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: even the media will try to run these witnesses down 110 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: first before law enforcement has an opportunity to do that. 111 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: And for those reasons that many others, is very important 112 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: to only release the information that you have to so 113 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: that you can preserve the integrity of the evidence in 114 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: the case. Guys, take a listen to We're not a 115 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: Dregorio First Coast News. The work is far from over here. 116 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: The sheriff says that they have more than fifty people 117 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: working at this at any given time, and a lot 118 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: of interviews lined up for coming days now. He also 119 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: says here that anyone who is involved interested murder will 120 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: be held accountable. There's no doubt in my mind, and 121 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: again I we're comm aside from with twelve years, this 122 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: is nothing even nearly remote being an accident. As the 123 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: investigation into Tristan Bailey's murder continues, it now known she 124 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: was stabbed to death. Saint John's County Sheriff Rob Hardwick 125 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: leaves it open there could be more arrests. Anybody that's 126 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: involved in this case, here's your I'm gonna I'm gonna 127 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: give you a warning that we're going to hold you 128 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: accountable for your actions if you help as an accessory 129 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: after the fact or an accomplished prior to. He says 130 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: no one is detained at the moment. As for the 131 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: murder weapon, Hardwick says, dive teams have recovered evidence from 132 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: the three retention ponds near where Bigley's body was found, 133 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: and investigators are going through that evidence. Crime Stories with 134 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, for those of you just joining us, 135 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: thirteen year old cheerleader who should be heading off to 136 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: high school from middle school founds stabbed dead. The search 137 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: on for whoever was responsible Treekapetero. We were talking about 138 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: where she grew up and where she went missing, But 139 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: what about these retention ponds. Well, a lot of these neighborhoods, 140 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: because they're cut out of the wilderness, they have retention ponds, 141 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, that's what they use when they're building them. 142 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: And Tristan's neighborhood had several of them. You know, I'm 143 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: looking at where the community center is and where she 144 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: went missing, and there's this wine of trees and it 145 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: looks like there's a pathway, so they cut through. But 146 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: you know a lot of times of these neighborhoods they 147 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: come to an end somewhere and there's nothing but trees 148 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: in and a retention pond. That's that's what it was. 149 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: At the end of this road. A call to sack. 150 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: You cut through a little bit of wine the trees in. There, 151 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: in fact, was a body of water, a retention pond, 152 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: and that's where Tristan was last seeing a lot guys, 153 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: how does a thirteen year old little girl, isn't it Trey? 154 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: Sheell McCollums. She was having her eighth grade graduation party there, 155 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: either just had it or was about to have it. 156 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: Heading off from middle school to high school and then 157 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: suddenly she's found stabbed dead out in the woods. It 158 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: just reeks of premeditation to me, Nancy. When you have 159 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: a victim that is a child, there's extra planning that 160 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: has to go into that because they have to be 161 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: away from their parents, they have to be in a 162 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: secluded spot, they have to be where maybe they're not 163 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: missed for a little bit of time in order to 164 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: get away from the scene, the killer to get away 165 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: from the scene. Exactly correct, Guys, take a listen to this. 166 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: For roughly two decades, Director Howard Cole has been investigating 167 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: on the sides. In my twenty years of investigating homicides, 168 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: this is probably one of the most tragic and difficult 169 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: cases that we have faced. Director Cole is overseeing the 170 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: Tristan Bailey case alongside dozens of other detectives. He sat 171 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: down with News for Jack's I Team reporter Vic mccolouche. 172 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: How good is the case right now? I would say, 173 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: based on my experience, which is quite extensive, I am 174 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: very confident. Now. That's curious that prior to an arrest, 175 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,479 Speaker 1: prior to the case being solved, one of the detectives 176 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: says he's confident the case will be solved. I'm wondering 177 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: if that's because Ray computer. It was multiple stabbings, and 178 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: with stabbings you very often find DNA of the perp 179 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: on the body where they knife slips because of the blood. 180 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: There's really no easy, nice way to put that, and 181 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: it slices the perp as well. What do you think, Raykaputer, 182 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: why was he so confident that it is going to 183 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: be solved? Well, I think because not only that, Yeah, 184 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: when you stabbed somebody, you leave a lot more evidence 185 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: than say, taking a shot at somebody from far away. 186 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: But there was a lot of video evidence. You know, 187 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: people knew where she was, they knew they were piecing 188 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: together her moment. Actually, you're absolutely correct. Yet again, Ray Kaputo, 189 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: W DBO take a listen. You were hearing Jennifer Ready 190 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: and w j x T take a listen to our 191 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: friends at First Coast News, surveillance video spotted what appears 192 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: to be Tristan Bailey walking north from the Ammenity Center 193 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: at one fourteen am. Thirty one minutes later, two people 194 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: are seen walking east along Sadlestone Drive at one forty 195 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: five am. One is wearing shorts of hidie and white 196 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: shoes with the black Nike logo, the other wearing black 197 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: pants and a black shirt. That same camera then capturing 198 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: one person walking back west wearing shorts of hoodie and 199 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: this time carrying white shoes with the black Nike logo. 200 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: That was around three twenty seven am. One hour forty 201 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: two minutes later, police found clothing with blood on it. 202 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: You know, hold on just a moment right there. That 203 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: was a lot of information to take in. Let's hear 204 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: that one more time from our friends. At First Coast 205 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: Knees surveillance video spotted what appears to be Tristan Bailey 206 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: walking north from the Ammenity Center at one fourteen am. 207 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: One minutes later, two people are seen walking east along 208 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: Salo Stone Drive at one forty five am. One is 209 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: wearing shorts of hoodie and white shoes with the black 210 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: Nike logo, the other wearing black pants and the black shirt. 211 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: That same camera then capturing one person walking back west 212 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: wearing shorts of hoodie and this time carrying white shoes 213 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: with the black Nike logo. That was around three twenty 214 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: seven am. One hour forty two minutes later, Lee found 215 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: clothing with blood on it. Wow, Okay, Sel McCollum, you're 216 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: getting pieces of the puzzle. What do you make of that? 217 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: These are very important pieces. I mean, obviously, you've got 218 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: two people walking at one forty five and you have 219 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: one person walking at three twenty seven, and Nancy, you 220 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: and I have talked at nausea I'm on your show 221 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: about the empower that. But go ahead of the first 222 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: three hours and how critical they are when a child 223 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: goes missing. Now, they didn't realize she was missing, but 224 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: the killer did because he lured her to a place, 225 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: and those first two hours for her become the most critical. Cheryl, Cheryl, 226 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: did you hear this one wearing black pants and a 227 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: black shirt, one wearing a hoodie with white shoes with 228 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: a black Nike logo. Right shortly thereafter, less than an 229 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: hour later, you see one person with shorts and a hoodie, 230 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: this time carrying the white shoes with the black Nike logo. 231 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: And I'm assuming those were her shoes. It could very 232 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: well be. That's the way it looks to me. And 233 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean, think about it, if those are her shoes. 234 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: To doctor Susan Lipkin's psychologists, so the killer lures her 235 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: to a wooded, densely wooded area, stabs her dead, multiple 236 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: stab wounds, then steals her nikes. If those are in 237 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: fact her shoes, that's cold, doctor Lipkins. Yeah, I don't 238 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: think he stole them. I think he used them as 239 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: a way of proving what he had done. And I 240 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: would not be surprised. I mean, like as a souvenir, 241 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: no as a member of a gang, producing you know, 242 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: evidence that he carried out whatever he was supposed to 243 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: be doing. Huh. I don't know. I don't know about that. 244 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: I don't know about that at all. But I can 245 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: tell you this much. Stealing the shoes off the victim's feet, 246 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: if in fact those are the victim's shoes, that is 247 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: one cold killer crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, the 248 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: fear and hysteria seeps into the neighborhood and people take 249 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: to social media. Take a list our friends. WJXTV needs 250 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: for Jacks. Lots of messages on social media from people 251 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: claiming to be part of thirteen year old Tristan Bailey's murder. 252 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: We've been reviewing all of the accounts, but are not 253 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: identifying them. The posts taunt her family and friends, it's 254 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of leads. Sheriff Rob Hardwick says his 255 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: detectives have been bombarded with messages about these internet trolls, 256 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: and they're investigating every tip. Nothing is off the table. 257 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: Interesting times, VIC, you know, where we're trying to figure 258 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: out is this real? Is this legit? Is it coming 259 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: from a person as a possible witness. While we're going 260 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: to find out and track on every single lead, The 261 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: sheriff says, detectives have identified several accounts and are honing 262 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: in on the posters. Florida state statutes show that someone 263 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: could be charged with interfering with their investigation, whether it's 264 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: resisting an officer or providing false information to law enforcement. 265 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: The latter could lead to a felony. Yeah darn right now, 266 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: this is confounding me. For those of you just joining us. 267 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: A thirteen year old little cheerleader goes missing. Her and 268 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: a neighborhood, no crime, no crime, neighborhood. She goes missing 269 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: within hours. First of all, nobody knows she's missing, but 270 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: when they do realize it, her body is found within hours. 271 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: A thirteen year old little girl stab dead in a 272 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: densely wooded area. And what happens. Internet trolls take to 273 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: social media claiming they all know something or they took 274 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: part in the murder. What is that phenomena, doctor Lipkins. 275 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: That's something that we're finding more and more in today's 276 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: society where there can be a lot of confusion and 277 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: hiding behind the screen, so to speak. And as we 278 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: just heard, the gives a police a lot of leads 279 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of problems. Really can't predict what this 280 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: may be. But you know, at that age, at the 281 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen year old, the most important thing is being 282 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: accepted socially and being part of a group which often 283 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: feels like a family. They want to be accepted by 284 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: the peers more than they do anybody else. Well, you 285 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: know what, James shell Nut, twenty seven years metro major 286 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: case detective now lawyer, that's exactly what police don't need 287 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: as a bunch of Internet trolls claiming, Oh I did it, No, 288 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: I did it, No I know who you did it. 289 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: That's why would anybody screw up a murder investigation of 290 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: a thirteen year old little girl like this? Yeah, I 291 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: don't know. It is unreal to me that people would 292 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: want to get on there and do this. And what 293 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: it does is law enforcement has to be thorough. There's 294 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: going to be a defense lawyer on the other side saying, well, 295 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: there was this lead, did you investigate it? There was 296 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: this person saying that they were involved. Shall nut hold 297 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: that thought because now I forgot how many twenty years 298 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: after Scott Peterson's can victed. The new defense is, hey, 299 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: the house down the street got burglarized. Maybe they did it. 300 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if you and the costs, by the way, 301 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: did follow those leads, track those burglars down, interview them 302 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: and rule them out. But the point is it's rearing 303 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: its ugly hit twenty years later. If you don't track 304 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: down every single lead, shall not exactly exactly. It creates 305 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: a ton of work. And Nick, yes, a minute ago, 306 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: there's a couple of theories put out, you know, around 307 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: you know Tristan's death, you know what could have happened? 308 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: You know. One of the things I think, just looking 309 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: at this from a law enforcement perspective, investigative perspective, is 310 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: I would like to know the level of severity of 311 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: any any wounds that were caused from the knife. In 312 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: other words, was this a few stab wounds? Was this repeated. 313 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: You know that could lead you to the conclusion that 314 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: this was a crime of rage. Also, I know a 315 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: couple of theories have already been put out, but you know, sometimes, 316 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's possible that a person could feel dejected 317 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: or rejected. Possibly there were some sexual advances towards this girl. 318 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: I think it's entirely possible that whoever killed this little 319 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: girl was rejected sexually. I mean, why would you lure 320 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: a thirteen year o little girl out into the woods 321 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: would be the first question. Well, following up on the evidence, 322 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: not theories. Take a listen to First Coast News a 323 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: break in the case. A report issued Tuesday by the 324 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: Saint John's County Sheriff's Office says surveillance video shows Bailey 325 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: walking with fourteen year old eight and Fujie, now charged 326 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: with or murder, around one fifteen am Sunday, at the 327 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: community's amenity center. They are seen at a home surveillance 328 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: video about thirty minutes later walking in the direction toward 329 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: the woods where Bailey's body was found the next day, 330 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: and then two hours later, at three twenty seven am, 331 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: more house surveillance video shows Fuchiat, the suspect, walking in 332 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: the opposite direction alone. Tuesday, dive crews wrapped up their 333 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: search of two lakes just yards away from where Bailey's 334 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: he was found in the woods. No word on what 335 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: or if evidence was found in the lakes. So question 336 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: did this kid he is a kid, fourteen year old 337 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci. Did he go to school with her? Because 338 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: he is in the surveillance video that's the other figure 339 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: walking along with the thirteen year old little cheer litera 340 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: Tristan Billy Cheryl McCollum. What do we know about this kid, 341 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci, just fourteen. We know that they did go 342 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: to school together and he lived in the same neighborhood 343 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: about a mile from her. They go to school together, 344 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: they live in the same neighborhood. You know, here's a 345 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: tricky part with Grammy surveillance of video. At first they 346 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: couldn't really make it out. There is an art to 347 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: enhancing that. I always say, NASA has gotten nothing on 348 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: Target and Walmart awesome surveillance video. Many a case has 349 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: been sold by Target and Walmart video. But in this case, 350 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: we're not dealing with that kind of video. We're dealing 351 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: with things like ring doorbells, and it's at night and 352 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: the people are walking. Tristan is walking along along the 353 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: road the street, and it's really hard to get an ID. 354 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: That video has to be enhanced and that takes a minute, 355 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: but it was enhanced and it shows us fourteen year 356 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: old little boy as many people would describe him, walking 357 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: along with Tristan Billy. So let's think this through, Cheryl McCollum. 358 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: What's the likelihood he's with her just before her murder 359 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: and then you see him walking away with her tennis shoes. 360 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: What did little green men from Mars come in in 361 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: between and murder her and stab her repeatedly? No, I 362 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: think the video's very compelling. And also, Nancy, if you 363 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: listen to what the sheriff said, this community sprung into action. 364 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: Everybody that had a ring video, owned their door anywhere 365 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: in that vicinity started looking at their own video. So 366 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: there's more than one that shows the path of direction 367 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: prior to them separating. So I think again, it's the 368 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: most compelling thing they have at this point. Ray Kaputo, 369 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: very narrow question, Ray Kiputo, Lead news anchor WDBO Orlando Ray, 370 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: there is no evidence to my understanding that Trista Bailey 371 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: was killed as part of any kind of gang activity whatsoever. 372 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: This aid in Fuci, to my knowledge, is not a 373 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: member of a gang. They were in middle school together. Yeah, 374 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy, this kid, if you look at is 375 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: a picture of him, he still has acne. You couldn't 376 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: even grow facial hair. It doesn't seem like a gang 377 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: initiation to me. Another interesting tidbit was that Tristan was 378 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: fine with all of her clothes on. So you're absolutely right. 379 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about that. Take a listen to this. 380 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: These are our friends WKMG News six. The tears here 381 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: different than what deputies confirm is Fuji seen in this snapchat, 382 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: now widely shared, showing the team holding up a peace 383 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: sign with the caption quote, hey guys, has anybody seen 384 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: Tristan lately? It's now part of the three day old investigation, which, 385 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: in a rest report read a search warrant found clothes 386 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: with blood on them in Fuchi's bedroom. This while the 387 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: thirteen year old's family has asked for privacy and the 388 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: tight knit Saint John's community grieves the young girl's death. Okay, 389 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: two things right there. From our friends at WKMG to 390 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor wdbo One. You're right, her 391 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: bloody clothes were fam or sue it to search warrant 392 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: and this kid's bedroom, correct, Well, Nancy, i'd bother it 393 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: was something. There were different types of effects, but there 394 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: were there were things found in his bedroom. Absolutely there 395 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: was there was evidence tying him to that scene. And 396 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: then second Fucci, the alleged killer, fourteen year old friend 397 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: of ours in middle school, isn't a Snapchat video showing 398 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: him holding up a peace sign with the caption, Hey, guys, 399 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,479 Speaker 1: is anybody saying Tristan? That's correct? Nancy? This is beyond 400 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: me And this is the part of the case that 401 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: just it gets a lot of people riled up. Now, 402 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: how did he even post that picture? Well, he was 403 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: being interviewed just before he was arrested, and you know, 404 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: in between him being interviewed and obviously he couldn't take 405 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: the picture. Somebody else took it for him. But he 406 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: had enough of goal knowing what was going on to 407 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: post that to Snapchat. It's his absolutely nutty butters Nancy. 408 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we're talking about the disappearance 409 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: and the brutal murder of a thirteen year old eighth 410 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: great girl, Tristan Bailey lured into heavily wooded, a heavily 411 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: wooded area in her neighborhood. You've got the trees with 412 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: the street lights, and the pool and the community center 413 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: and the tennis courts, and then beyond that our woods 414 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: and retention ponds. She was lured off of her street 415 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: into those woods where she was brutally murdered. And then, 416 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: let me understand this. Ryl McCollum, the fourteen year old boy, 417 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: the classmate, actually posts a shot of him shooting a 418 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: piece sign saying, Hey, anybody's seen Triston. Yeah, let's talk 419 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: about it though, Yeah, because there's a lot in that photograph. 420 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: If you look at the back of his cell phone, 421 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: it looks to me like he's got a sticker that's 422 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: the Princess Jasmine. His thumb looks like he's painted it 423 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: with fingernail polish. His hair is basically a bob. Those 424 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: things have got to be connected. Those things have got 425 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: to be looked. Enforcement hairstyle have anything to do with it. 426 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 1: Everything matters. He chose that hairstyle. When you are a 427 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: fourteen year old boy in middle school and you have 428 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: a mom haircut and you paint your fingernails and you've 429 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 1: got Princess Jasmine on your phone. You are inviting people 430 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: to bully you. That's number one, number two one fingernail painting, 431 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: and it's painting black. I know, and that is not 432 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: necessarily trying to say he is. I don't see it, 433 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: except law enforcement has got to connect why he would 434 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: select these things and do these things. The thing, there's 435 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: no way my son would have a Princess Jasmine sticker 436 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: on his phone. But that's just Yah's. But frankly, my 437 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: daughter wouldn't either, So I don't know how much you 438 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: can read into that because according to her, once in 439 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: a while I'll still catch her listening to Ariel, but 440 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: she denies it. So you know he posted it there 441 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: it is, it's from his account. I mean daughter, Susan 442 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: Lipkin's your theory about this being part of a gang initiation, 443 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: and that's not correct a period, but I mean, fourteen 444 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: year old boy with Princess Jasmine sticker on his phone. 445 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: He posts anybody's saint Tristan the girl he just killed. Okay, 446 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: so he's either severely emotionally disturbed, which if he were, 447 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: we would have expected that. The school and the neighborhood 448 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: should know and would know something about that, and maybe 449 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: that's information that has not yet been revealed. But what 450 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: you were alluding to is that you know this is 451 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: a cold hearted killer who had a premeditation, which I agree, 452 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: because he had the knife, and that there was a 453 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: beginning in the middle and an end, and that he 454 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: disconnected from it and acted like you know whom I 455 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with this by posting that photo. 456 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: If that was all true, then we know that there's 457 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: a severely disturbed child. Well, I've got a completely different take, okay, 458 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: because there's no evidence that he ever missed school, that 459 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: he had any disciplinary problems, which I think would go 460 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: hand in hand with some sort of severe emotional problem. 461 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: James shell Nutt met your major case detective now lawyer. 462 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: I think it's more taunting. He knows he killed her, 463 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: he knows he's responsible, and it's like a big Joe. Hey, 464 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: anybody saints Tristan? Yeah? Why to dad at the Morgue? Nutt? 465 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 1: I agree. Look, I agree, And here's something it's very 466 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: important for long p we're spant to have a confession 467 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: in a murder case, but they don't always get that. 468 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: But something that can be just as important, if not 469 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: more important, is after a person has been placed in 470 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: a pair of handcuffs or placed in the back of 471 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: the car for their actions to indicate that they're the 472 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: type of human being that would have done this. And 473 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 1: if this young man winds up in front of a 474 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: jury one day, because he may very well be charged 475 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: as an adult. If he's charged. Florida, by the way, 476 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: is the leading state for charging children as adults and 477 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: fourteens of magical number in Florida. That makes it very 478 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: easy for the prosecutor do that, if he's going to 479 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: be charged as an adult. You're right, You are absolutely right, 480 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: Shell not this is a seventh deadly The seventh deadly 481 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: sends that take a child into adult court. Murder, rape, 482 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: side of me, childlization, armed robbery, arson, and aggravated assault. 483 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: I think are them you're dead on he's going to 484 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: be treated as an adult. And we find out those 485 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: are not her shoes he's carrying from the scene, they're 486 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: his shoes. And I think that's a matter of evidence. 487 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Why would he be carrying his own shoes 488 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: from the scene. It's excellent evidence. And I heard that 489 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: he told his mom when she asked him, is because 490 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: his feet were hurting. I think he was trying to 491 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: maybe save those shoes because he knew there was blood 492 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: on him. But Nancy, there's something else. I've got to 493 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: make a point. When he posted the picture of him 494 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: in the back of the patrol car, what he actually 495 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: texted was hey, guys, has in body. He didn't spell 496 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: anybody right. Maybe that's leakage. Maybe that's indicative of stabbing. 497 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: So again, all of these things are going to come out, 498 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: every single one of them, and law enforcement is going 499 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: to connect everything. They're going to go through his social media, 500 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: They're going through his phone, they're going through his computer, 501 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: they're going through his searches. Trust me when I tell 502 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: you some more things are gonna come so they'll blow 503 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: your mind. Take a listen to our friend a Danyae 504 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: so KMGI six the truth, the whole truth, and nothing 505 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: but the truth to Hoki God. With his hand raised high. 506 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: Fourteen year old eight In Fuchi faced the judge in 507 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: Volusia County today for the murder of his classmate, thirteen 508 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: year old Tristan Bailey, found dead in Saint John's County 509 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: Sunday night, hours after her parents reported her missing. Her 510 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: body found point three miles from the young man's house, 511 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: according to a new arrest report released today. Also today, 512 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: the medical examiner confirming she was stabbed and had trauma 513 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: to her head. Fuchi looking up with tears in his 514 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: eyes as the judge read his charge this morning with 515 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: second degree murder his parents both in the virtual courtroom. 516 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: His mother also seemingly upset. The law is and will 517 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: be read to the jury as part of the jury charge, 518 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: where at the very end of the case, after all 519 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: the evidence is in sides of rested, closing arguments are done, 520 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: the judge charges the jury with the law by which 521 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: they are to judge the case, and the judge will 522 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: tell the jury one may regret the deed immediately, such 523 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: as crying in the courtroom, but that does not negate 524 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: intent at the time of the incident. To doctor Tim Gallagher, 525 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: we are now hearing that she also had trauma to 526 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: her head, and I'm understanding there were multiple stabs. A 527 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: lot of the details are still being kept secret. What 528 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: does that tell you a blow to the head and 529 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: stab wounds, Well, it's difficult to interpret that as a 530 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: blow to the head. Trauma usually comes in two types. 531 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: There's blunt force trauma, which would be what you're describing, 532 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: a blow to the head, or sharp forced trauma, which 533 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 1: would be a stabbing. So this trauma could either be 534 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: she could have been stabbed in the head, or she 535 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: could have been punched or beaten on her head or 536 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: about her head. So the word trauma is not specific 537 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: enough for me to understand what the injury was specifically. 538 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: I hear you, but I noticed it was to the head, 539 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: not to the face. Does that make a difference to you, 540 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, Well, in my experience, we've had people who've 541 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: been stabbed multiple times in the head. We've had cases 542 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: where the knife had actually penetrated into the skull and 543 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: have gone into the brain, you know. So in my experience, 544 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: it could be interpreted as either sharp or blunt forced trauma. 545 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: Most of the times it tends to be blunt forced trauma. 546 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: But again this is just speculation. I don't have the 547 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 1: District twenty three report in front of me. Now, guys, 548 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: we know that at a quote celebration of life is 549 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: taking place for thirteen year old Tristan Bailey. A flurry 550 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: have motions have been filed on behalf of fourteen year 551 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 1: old Aiden Fuci. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace 552 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off goodbye Frien