WEBVTT - Part One: The Bastard Who Invented Homeopathy 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:06.240 What's absent my Machete's I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind the Bastards, 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.360 the podcast where we talk about the worst people in 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:12.039 all of history. And today is a very sad day 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.360 because we've been kicked out of our regular recording studio 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.759 um by by an unnamed person and we forgot to 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.680 get the machete out. Uh, and I am very sad. 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:25.079 S s. Sophie As is my guest today, Mr Billy 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.560 Wayne David As. Hello, I'm it's not it's in the building, 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.920 so we're in the building. It's not like it's we 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.280 left it at home, which would be like that's a bummer, 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.800 that would be tragic. That's why that's the dedicated pot 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.640 cast machete. That makes sense. And then you guys, Robert 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.440 giving me the best gift. It's just it's a tactical 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.080 Can I say the brand? Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, gerber 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.519 I was very excited about that, which is a Portland's 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.400 USA made knife. It just now described the thing I've 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.880 already forgot exactly. Yeah. It's a it's designed as a 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:56.880 survival knife. So the hilt is made out of a 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.800 glass composite, which the purpose of that is so that 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:01.880 if you're in a in a vehicle that crashes, or 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.560 in an airplane that's crashed. It was originally designed for pilots. 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:06.880 You can cut your way out of the plane without 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.039 electrocuting yourself if you had a live wire um And 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.160 there's also a big glass breaking thing on the hill. 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.720 It's a solid knife. It just in It feels good 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.720 in the hand. Like a lot of these knives like this, 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.840 they're they're not. There's a lot of different kinds of knives. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.080 And that's a metal stabbing knife, which is a special 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.240 kind of knife. Yeah, it's a knife that's meant for 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.600 going into what is essentially other knives. It's got that 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.160 thing that a good knife has where you're like, I 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.640 don't want someone to come at me now. And what 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.200 I what I like about that is because I don't 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.080 want to give someone a nice knife and not give 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:40.960 them a reason to use it. So once we get 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.680 the machete out of the room, I have something else 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.600 that I found. Well, I was up. I found a 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:51.480 VHS copy of Basic Instinct by Paul Verhoeven, the original 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.840 director's cut with a fake signature by Paul Verhoven. Inside 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.520 the cover of the VHS tape. I found it by 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.200 a trash pile. He's sincere he wrote that, he sincerely 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.400 wrote that he really did. And just so people know this, 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.559 this VHS copy is the wide screen letter box edition 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.520 that's critical includes the theatrical trailer too hot to be 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.520 shown in movie houses. And I figured, what we do 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:18.040 once we get a criterion collection, the Criterion collection it 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:19.880 really see it, see it the way it was meant 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:24.359 to be on a VHS that's been hanging out near 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.040 a down on a TV that's got in a box. 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.440 Still smells a little bit like trash, but it's in 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.520 incredible shape, really incredible shape considering what it is. And 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.760 did you fly from with it? Yes, I flew. I 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.320 flew with it because I knew that this was the 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.760 only acceptable thing for us to use in a game 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.920 of tennis. Now, Billy, I don't know how to play tennis, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.079 but I know it involves two people with stick shaped 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.919 things batting an object in between them. So I figured 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.360 I'd use machette, you'd use the knife, and we'd have 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.600 us a game of tennis over this recording space. This 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.760 is like a white trash version. Yes, Sophie can be 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.160 the ump that it's not what it's called. But what 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.800 is it called in tennis? I think an umpire in tennis, 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.040 I don't know official. I don't think up is it. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.160 So if he's going to look up what it's actually 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.240 called is if tennis has played with a copy of 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.120 Basic Instinct in two nine, it's like a judge involved 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:20.840 line Judge, I don't know. I'm okay with all this. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.639 I don't know about tennis Empire, but it'll be fun 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.560 to hit. Now there's gonna be a lot of plastic 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.800 shards and we don't have by protection. Maybe it's an 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.640 official I've seen in three different they serve as the 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.320 oh no, oh no. I would like the title of 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.120 chief umpire, which is apparently a thing. Okay, So so 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.480 if he's going to be the chief Empire, Billy Wayne 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.320 will be taking on the role of Ratro Federer tennis 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.680 guy nailed, and I will be taking on the role 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:54.920 of Serena Williams. That's nailed it. That's a big shoes 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.839 to feel. Those are the only tennis players I can name. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.520 And I was not sure about Federer. I thought there 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.480 was a fifty chance he always go to the agazy 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.120 that he hasn't played Andre Agassy. You're right, that's a name. Then, yeah, 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.520 he's bald. He kind of went with it. What is 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.880 the really angry name? John McEnroe. John McEnroe. He's pretty 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.400 funny too. I don't know any of these people. What 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.200 I do know is that we're gonna have a lot 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.120 of fun once we get our machete. I mean, I'm 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.200 just gonna hold a knife the whole show now, Billy Wayne, 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.559 because you're here as the guest, I think everyone can 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:31.960 know what that means, and it means that we're going 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.080 to talk about a fake doctor, or in this case, 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.040 a lot of fake doctors. Oh yeah, yeah, see today, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.080 Billy Wayne, We're not just talking about a fake doctor. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.120 Our subject this week might well be the king of 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:47.800 all fake doctors. Do you know the name Samuel Hanman. No, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:53.800 I'm excited about. Well, he is the man who invented homeopathy. Okay, yeah, 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.320 that's where we're going. He's largely responsible for the birth 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.920 of what's called alternative medicine UM and surprising, I'm not 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.960 sure he qualifies as a bastard. So we're gonna get 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.040 into him part one and then part two. We will 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.720 definitely be talking about some bastards. Would he be Can 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.520 I predict he might be a bastard because he opened 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:17.520 a certain door for other bastards. Yeah, I think he meant. Well, 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:22.839 that's like it's like manslaughter of bastards, if that makes sense. Yeah, 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.279 you funked up, but not on purpose, but it's bad. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.520 It's like those in the South, large chunks of the 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.520 South in Texas, and I think also in Louisiana. I 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.880 know they have they have a drive through liquor stores 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.040 and you're not supposed to drink and drive, but a 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.400 lot of people do because it's a drive through liquors. 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:40.840 Didn't get of your truck. Yeah, you don't even have 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.159 to get out of your truck. He's like the drive 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.159 through liquor store of medicine, where you can say, maybe 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.239 he just wanted to make the process of buying liquor 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.880 more convenient. But as a result, a lot of people 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.839 rammed pedestrians. They had to fix a lot of fences 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:59.120 because of that man. Where a lot of problems. Yes, okay, 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.599 I got you, I got Yeah, he's the no you 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.600 put a piece of tape over the straw, Yeah, exactly, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:09.680 Then it's not an open container. Straw. We fixed it. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.640 People may not know that, but you can buy Margarita's 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.000 in your car if there's tape over the straw. And 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.320 Dacories are the big one in Louisiana. Oh god, just 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:24.960 a thirty two I don't styrofoam cup full of peer 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:30.480 Grain alcohol, peer Grain alcohol and a slushy and then 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.520 they hand it to you with tape over it and 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.760 the right don't don't move that, don't do what you're 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:40.880 gonna do. Yeah, wink uh. It has always been my dream. 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:42.880 I don't think I'll ever move back to the South 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.000 because I hate the weather, but if I did, I 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.000 would love to operate a combination gun store drive through 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:52.080 liquor store. I mean, yeah, why not just push it 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.800 go all the way and you're like, well, if you 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.520 buy two dacories, you get a gun, and if you 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.640 buy two guns, you get four store or one for 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.520 you KEI it did you get tuned in? Your wife 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.200 gets one? And ideally we also opened a pharmacy, so 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.800 it's like a pill mill drive through liquor shop, gun store. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:17.280 I mean that's one of Like. As my grandpa was 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.320 on his way out, he said, we were talking one 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.680 time and He's like, fight had it, dude, over again. Pharmacy. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.560 That's what you own, pharmacy. And I was like, that 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:32.000 is a good point, Grandpa. That's a that's solid grandfather. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.600 That is sounds like that's a good point. It's too 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.440 late for me. But one day, Billy Wayne, one day 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.360 you'll start that pharmacy. Pharmacy. So I guess we should 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:46.640 get into the story now. Christian Friedrich Samuel Hanman was 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.640 born on April tenth, seventeen fifty five, in the city 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.200 of Mason, which I'm probably mispronouncing. One of his modern 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.680 day followers says that it was quote so close to 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.160 midnight that there is debate as to the date. His 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.920 church apparently registered his birthday as the eleventh, but he 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.400 celebrated it on the tenth. This website, which is like 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.920 a homeopathic fan site for Samuel Hahneman, notes, as the 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.400 story of his life unfolds, this is a pertinent fact 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.040 to bear in mind because arguably it sets a pattern 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.040 that continued throughout. I actually have no idea what they 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.520 mean by this, but he's inconsistent that that. No. I 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.640 think they're positive. I think they're saying that, like the 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.160 authorities said, that like, this is his birthday, but he 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.080 like said it was a different day. He's like, I 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.120 know better, I know exactly. I think that's what they're 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.360 getting at. But it's very silly. Right now you're born here. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.280 He's like, no, as I remember in the right, you 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.600 really fuck that up. I would celebrate both days. Oh yeah, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.920 I mean I don't think people got presents back then. 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.360 I think they just got cholera. It's your birthday. Shoot 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:50.760 yourself to death. Classic German seventeen hundreds birthday. Samuel was 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.280 a weak and sickly child. He was christened on the 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.120 of the month, like two days after his birth, out 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.160 of the expectation that he would die soon and so 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.560 he needed a name before he went to heaven or hell. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.840 I think babies went to hell at that point. But 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.160 alas Samuel grew stronger and gradually it became clear that 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.280 he would in fact survive being a baby. Samuel was 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.400 one year old when the Seven Year War broke out, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.719 a slap fight between Prussia and Austria for Silesia, all 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.760 of which is basically considered Germany to Americans today. Uh. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.480 This war had a disasterus impact on the porcelain and 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.160 cloth trades, and since Samuel's dad made his living as 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.079 a porcelain painter, the family finances took a real hit. 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.760 He was educated at home, which was not particularly uncommon 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.640 or any kind of statement at the time. That homeopathic 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.320 fan Girl website. I found on this note that Samuel's father, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.640 Christian Quote, sometimes locked his son up with a problem 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.880 when he went to work, expecting him to have solved 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.080 it or to have some insight into it by the 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:50.360 time he got back. Now that's a that's a frugal babysitter. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.760 Just get a problem in the lock him in a room. 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.760 What's the answer? Hell, I don't know. Yeah. Her A 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.559 depiction of it makes it seem like, oh, this is 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:02.080 like how you raise a genius baby. Uh yeah. I 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.600 found another depiction of this parenting practice in a nineteen 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.040 hundred biography of Samuel that does make it sound a 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.040 lot shadier. Yeah, it sounds like, Yeah, it's like a 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.920 he'll billy'll be like, well, you gotta TV, don't you. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.480 We're gonna go watch it and we're gonna go turn 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.720 it up. Yeah, you hear noises, turn it up, put 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.600 him in from the shiney boss. It'll be good. Handman's father, 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.640 before going to the factory, used frequently to lock his 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.079 son in a room, close the shutters, and give him 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.760 a difficult sentence to ponder over of which he had 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.720 to give an account on his father's return. This contributed 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.640 to making the son an original thinker. I think that's 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.200 what Trump does every morning on Twitter, is he just 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.600 gives us a difficult sentence, and all day we're like, 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.679 what does that mean? What does that mean? Why did 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.920 he capitalize the letters? He cap That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:55.200 he's just trying to raise us, like Samuel Hanman's father. Now, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.880 once he was older and the family fortunes had recovered somewhat, 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.400 Samuel was allowed to go to the local elementary school. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.240 His teacher, Johann Mueller, recognized him as a uniquely brilliant pupil. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.920 Alas for Samuel, his father pulled him out of school 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.840 at aged fifteen, reasoning that he'd spent more than enough 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.679 time learning and it was well passed time for him 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.200 to get a full time gig. In fairness to Christian, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.439 you were legally an adult age fourteen in that part 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.520 of the world at that time, So Samuel really got 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.160 a whole extra year of childhood. Yeah, kind of luxury 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.800 childhood there, so that's good for him. Christian set his 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.119 son up with a job at a grocery store in Leipzig. 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.120 Samuel did the job for a while, but he grew 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.079 tired of it quickly and was convinced that the world 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.400 had something greater in store for him, so he ran 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.000 away from home the sort of. He actually just ran 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:37.960 away from his dad and his job and had his 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:39.800 mom hied him while he worked up the courage to 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.360 confront his father about the fact that he wanted to 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.800 go back to school. Where she hid him. I don't know, 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.040 it's not really specific about that. I'm guessing a closet 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.720 just like in the house still I think so, or 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.000 maybe yeah, they had some money so she might have 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.320 like rented him a room or something, Yeah, like a 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:59.920 storage place it Yeah, what an inn and like tell 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.840 the dad that he ran away. Yeah, I think it 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.760 was an issue of the way it's I've read it 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.720 is that like she hit him because she wasn't going 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.360 to go to bat for her kid against her father, 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.280 because you don't do that. I understand that Germany basically 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:18.200 Germany essentially Germany and um, but At the same time, 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.480 he didn't like he had to work up the courage 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:21.800 to like tell his dad, I don't want to work 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.000 at a grocery store. I want to finish school and 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.400 be an educated man. I understand now. It was more 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.439 of like, neither of us want to get whacked my 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:36.000 dad yet, because okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So eventually Samuel 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.560 did confront his father, and he was apparently successful in 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.400 convincing him that he should be allowed to go to 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.760 grammar school. She just sent him to a box and 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:44.680 ring because I just learned to take a punch, and 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.640 then you can tell him you're gonna have to let 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.520 your dad hit you. He's gonna hit you. He's gonna 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.440 hit you a lot, So just get used to just 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.319 learn how to take that. You talk to dad, he's 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.120 gonna throw a couple of punches, just just just to 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:00.280 keep him at himself. He enjoys it. It's it's you know, 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:02.320 you get back. He gets back from work, he's been 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.120 punched all day. He's going to throw a couple of pups. 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:10.800 Watches left. It's better than you think, huh. So, yeah, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.240 Samuel went to a grammar school. He studied science and 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.760 languages and he wrote a dissertation on the structure of 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.480 the human hand. He was quite successful during this period, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.520 and he earned himself admission into Leipzig University to pursue 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.520 a medical degree, but his course of studies was exhausting, 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.439 and he would later write that it convinced him young 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.400 people should not be allowed to go to school. Quote 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.440 from Samuel mental exertion and study are unnatural occupations for 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.400 young people whose bodily development is not yet complete, especially 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.800 for those who are endowed with sensitive feelings. This nearly 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:40.880 cost me my life during the period from fifteen to 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:47.720 twenty years old. I can't pretty progressive thinking man board 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.760 with that. I mean, that's just yeah, he's like, yeah, 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.760 fifteen to twenty, just throw him in the woods. We 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.240 should have a big field for him. I kind of 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.840 like that idea. I've always been a big advocate of 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.319 once kids get old enough to talk back, just driving 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.719 them into a field and leaving them there. I think 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.800 they get feral, and then we'd have they were they're 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.120 smarter than we think though. Yeah, you're right, it would 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.720 be like a hog problem and would happen way quicker 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.920 than we want to think it would. Yeah, yeah, No, 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.880 it's like the wild boars. Yeah, that's what would happen. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.400 They'd grow tusk. You'd have to kill them with drones. 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.160 I guess there's no perfect solution to teenagers. No, no, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:29.160 you just watch them and hope they don't team up. Yeah, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.000 I hope they don't team up. The good thing is 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.560 they'll throw each other under the bus because they're so horny. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.400 that is that they're trying to suck the bus. It 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.760 is weird to think like that. Thank god they're horny. Thanks, 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.800 thank god they're too horny to be smart. Yes, we'd 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.960 have a problem with all that energy they got. Yeah, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.560 we'd have to be like, well, we do wars. Yeah, 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.280 that's we just do a war every couple of years. 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.520 It is. That was a nicer era in warfare, back 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.160 when like most of them were just like, we gotta 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.960 do something with all these fucking teenagers. Yeah, they give them, 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.800 give them guns, Put the dumbest ones in the front, 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.960 and then let him walk towards each other. Let him 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.120 walk towards each other until they're tired, until we got 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:16.720 the best ones, the smart ones. Dune at age nineteen 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.200 and seventeen seventy four, a penniless. Samuel Hahnman left Masin 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.840 to go to Leipzig. He worked as a translator to 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.760 make in his meat. Depending on which source you read, 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.080 he was either incredibly good at this, a brilliant linguist 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.560 in great demand, or he was completely mediocre and he 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.720 barely succeeded in an avoiding object poverty. I found like 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.360 five different variations of how this period of his life went. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.280 I don't know which is accurate, maybe none of them. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.280 One thing they all seemed to agree on is that 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:44.280 during his years studying theoretical medicine, which was the degree 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.360 program track he was on, he became disillusioned with the 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:51.240 medical establishment, which is understandable of the medical establishment in 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.200 seventeen seventy four. Yeah, a lot of leeches, A lot 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:59.800 of leeches, a lot of poison. Yeah yeah, the cocaine. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.680 That's a real medicine. Billy, right, I have some friends 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:08.120 that will agree with you. Good for what ail now. 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.120 The pro homeopathy biography of Hanman I found is written 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.280 by someone called Sheila. That's the only name she's given 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.640 on the site, and she's a British homeopath whose website 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.000 links back to a website about how autism isn't real. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:23.480 So just so we're aware of this particular source. Um, yeah, 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.080 what is it autism? If it's not real? I think 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:28.920 it's a bacterial infection. I don't know. There's a bunch 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:30.920 of crazy theories about that. It's like the bleached people. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.640 I do feel like she's one of the bleached people. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.280 That makes sense. Yeah, that's the thing where I know better. Yeah, 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.160 quote from Sheila the Homeopath. He paid for his studies 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.520 by teaching German and French and by translating Greek in 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.120 English into German for better off students. Help came from 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.400 an anonymous benefactor in Mason, who paid for some of 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.400 the lectures. It is in Leipzig that the seeds of 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.960 Samuel's discontent with the medical profession of the time were 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.080 sown because he was not satisfied with some of the 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.080 lectures and attended them only selectively. He was also unhappy 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:03.120 with the lack of practical facilities. That's the positive homeopathy 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.399 version of this is that he just he he realizes 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.399 that medicine at the time is flawed, and he he 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.520 doesn't like attending all of his lectures, which you could 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.480 also write is just like him being a bad student 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.600 that was gonna say something it's hard to listen and 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.040 stuff like that it is, and then to be justified 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.760 with like, I just this, you guys are wrong. I'm 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.680 gonna fix medicine. I mean, I will say even a 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.760 stop clock is right every couple of centuries, and in 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:32.960 this case, ignoring mainstream medical lectures was was a good idea. Yeah, 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.280 but at the same time, like, don't you have to 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.800 learn what's wrong? But if you're learning what's wrong and 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.320 they're telling you what's right, that might not be good either. 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.439 I don't know. That's a weird This is a weird story. Yeah, 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:50.440 it's going to get confusing. Yeah, morally, the second part 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.240 is just going to be bastards all the way down. 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:56.119 So but but first we gotta get muddy waters and 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.760 not the good kind of muddy waters. He just feels 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.800 like I understand in that feeling. I mean in college, 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.719 because there was a part of me that like, a 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.200 lot of this feels like a scam. Yeah, like why 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.879 do I have to take bowling? Yeah? You know what 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:15.280 I mean, Like I was like, and then the business 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.399 side of my major mostly was a communications but the 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.800 business side was like just prepping everyone to work at 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.240 a corporation, and I was already like, oh, I don't 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.240 want to do that, And all my teachers are like, 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:28.760 what do you mean. That's with the money, that's how 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:33.240 you make mons. I'm gonna make my money. Yeah, Like, 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.879 I don't want people giving me I don't want to 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.880 have to depend on that, and you're making robots. Yeah, 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.160 it just made me so I understand what he's thinking. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:43.960 We're like, oh, yeah, some of this, Like if I 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.240 was gonna be a like a scientist, this makes sense, 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.639 or a lawyer. But I learned more about business that 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.280 the ups store than any of you fuckers have taught me. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.960 I learned more about business hanging out with my friends 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.920 who sold weed than I ever learned in college, and 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.280 more practical stuff about business, like how to replace the 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.160 air bag in your car's steering wheel with a bag 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:09.120 of marijuana. It's a good place to hide it. That's 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.240 a free tip for everybody out there still living in 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.480 one of the states where it's illegal. M Sofie, are 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.360 we allowed to give people tips on drug smuggling? Sophie 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:22.879 is making a gesture that I cannot interpret through it. 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:24.880 I'm just gonna plug my airs so she's just gonna 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:29.040 plug her Okay, also hide drugs up your butt. Both work. 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:33.239 Now back to uh, back to Samuel Hanman. Um So, 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.720 I just read kind of the pro Samuel Hanman as 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:41.359 the founder of the most valuable medical revelation in the 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.919 history of the world, that that's that angle on it. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:45.919 I've found a very different account of this period in 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.160 his life and an article written for the American Council 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.160 on Science and Health a five oh one c three 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:55.160 established in nineteen to promote evidence based science and medicine. 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.720 Here's what they say. Although he tried to earn money 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.400 as a translator, making in meat was very difficult for him. 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.399 On the brink of starvation, he was introduced to an 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:07.600 opulent Transylvanian baron, Samuel Brookenhal, the head of the Madgeburg 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.960 Freemason's Lodge. Hanman was initiated into the lodge in hermann Stott, Transylvania, 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.320 in October seventeen seventy seven. He quickly came to esteem 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.440 the many tinerant teachers of mysteries who were indoctrinating the 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.960 lodges in such matters as alchemy and spiritism. In Samuel 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.800 Hanman his life and work. Richard Hale hinted at the 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.680 depth of Hanman's involvement in the Lodge. He advanced beyond 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.879 vitalism and the naturalism of Shelling, and hegel to spiritism 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.479 and for a while lost his way in occultism. In 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.240 Life and Letters of Samuel Hanman, Thomas Bradford gave a 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.480 much less guarded account of the time Hanman spent in 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.159 the service of har Brookeenthal. It was in these quiet, 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.359 scholarly days that Hanman acquired that extensive and diverse knowledge 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.760 of ancient literature and of occult sciences, which he afterwards 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.400 proved himself to be a master. So he learned magic. Yeah, 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.840 he learned magic. The homeopaths like to be like. No, 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:55.480 he just spent so much time in lectures that he 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.600 realized what was wrong with the medical establishment and then 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.480 the other version of the a is nah. He went 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:05.120 to work for a wizard in the learned magic. Yeah, 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:09.320 he went to like a secret society for powerful dudes 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:13.520 who also believe in some bullshit because they were they 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:16.800 were blessed with certain opportunities that other people were Instead 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.280 of realizing that, they thought they were fucking special and 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:22.560 new magic, and they like to dress up in the costumes. 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.000 Rituals are fun because they didn't have TV or a 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.639 lot of books. Rituals are fun, like the ritual of 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.520 batting this copy of base against That's why you're supposed 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.399 to find it magic. Magic it is you know what 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:41.560 else is magic? Billy Wayne m capitalism. Capitalism is like magic, 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:48.159 like magic. Uh. It transmutes a podcast that is free 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:53.280 into money for me. It's good. It's good. See, nobody 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.600 can explain that. Nobody knows how that works. Us service. 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:06.240 We're back and we're furious. I want we want the machete. 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:10.399 So easy episode. It just feels like our episode is 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:12.040 like it could be one thing and it's going to 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:16.040 be another thing. This is like a well you you 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:20.119 brought that VHS from I brought it from from the 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.120 city's name that we will bleep out, Oh you don't 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.000 want people to know where you live. It's a little 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.480 we would be quite about a little bit. It's not 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:30.159 all people where he lives. A solid point. You brought that. 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.159 Let's take that back across the country, across the country, 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:37.080 across the nation with this old VHS copy of Basic Instinct. 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.760 It's in great it's in great ship does have an odor, 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:44.040 but that's fine. And it has a fake signature that 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:49.040 might funny. Yeah, there's no way to know. Um, we're 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.720 still sulfur. We're still waiting for the podcast. I'm going 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:56.159 to go get it machete. Sophie's going to break in throom. 0:22:56.160 --> 0:23:02.320 Do you need two knives? Yeah, you got it. We 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:08.040 got it. We're back, We're back, and we have just 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.440 we have liberated the podcasting God damn it. We are 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:16.880 a fucking duo are We liberated the podcasting machete from 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:21.240 an unnamed other podcast that was recording, which is very 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.560 bad to do normally, but when it was an emergency. 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.400 Now we have both the machete and the Billy Wayne 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.800 Davis dagger on the table. This thing is dope. We're 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.480 ready to play. By the way that that sheath has 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:36.399 a sharpener in it right in the middle. I mean, 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:38.640 so you take that, you take that strap out. You're 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:42.399 in the field, off the land. Use my little gerber now, 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:44.439 I use my little spider cat. Last night when we 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:49.040 were eating steak, but this would have immediately like you 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.200 could kill a wild cow with that. There were wild 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.320 cows all over the current. That could have been you 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:55.760 I'm so proud of us. I'm very proud of us. 0:23:55.880 --> 0:24:00.600 That was a beautiful like tag team mothers on mission 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:04.240 that just went really well, really well. We we liberated 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:07.760 our machete for the from the fearsome name bleeped, and 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.040 uh it was great, very fearsome, very fearsome name bleeped, 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:16.760 very fearsome name bleeped. Anyway, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:24.320 this podcast. Welcome, welcome, welcome. So um, yeah, it was 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:29.439 a good mission, you guys. Yeah. So the evidence I 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:32.320 found makes it seem that, like Samuel Hahnman's, the kind 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:36.680 of ideas that would eventually turn into homeopathy were more 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.000 rooted in the occult stuff he learned when he was 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:41.359 with the Masons than the stuff he learned in actual 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.679 medical school. And the ironic thing is that this wasn't 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.480 really a bad thing. That's what I was going to 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:51.200 say that there is that part like he's like he's 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:57.119 learned the placebo effect of yeah, medicine and people's mental 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:02.600 capacity of stuff. Yeah, y. In the seventeen hundreds, medicine 0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:08.320 was mostly dangerous nonsense. Um as this nineteen seventy right 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:11.440 up on homeopathy from the University of Washington makes pretty clear. 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:15.560 It's people dumber than Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies. We're 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:19.520 pretending to be doctors. Granny knew some ship the point 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:21.600 and a couple of herbs that did some things. That's 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:25.600 the point of exact. People dumber than Granny. People dumber 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:30.399 than Granny. Yeah, Granny was a drunk. Was a drunk. 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.320 In the first decades of the nineteenth century, medical therapy 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:37.159 consisted mainly in bleeding, purging, vomiting, the application of leeches 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:39.679 in the ingestion of an array of powerful chemical drugs. 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:42.960 Their combined effect was often greatly debilitating and toxic to patients. 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.680 The prevailing therapeutical confusion alternated in action, doing little while 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:48.720 waiting for the so called healing powers of nature to 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.359 take over, with aggressiveness plunging patients into acute anemias and 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.600 loss of bodily fluids through the use of so called 0:25:54.640 --> 0:26:02.520 depleting methods inherited from earlier times. So that's medicine inherited, inherited. Yeah. 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:07.080 After four semesters in medical school in seventeen seventy seven, 0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.439 Samuel will move to Vienna and spent three months working 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:13.120 with a doctor Kuarin the personal doctor for Impress Maria Theresia. 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.480 The good Doctor did not charge Samuel for his tutelage, 0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.560 but sam was still chronically short of cash. Thankfully, Doctor 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.280 Kuarin introduced him to the Governor of Transylvania, who offered 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.960 him a gig as his family physician. At least that's 0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:27.840 what she live the homeopath says. The University of Washington, 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.320 by contrast, claims his main job was working as the 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:35.159 governor's library assistant and organizing his coin collection. So again, 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:39.439 the homeopaths like, ah, he worked as the personal doctor 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.440 to the Governor of Transylvania, And the more historical sources 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:45.720 I found say that, like, no, he organized a coin collection. 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:49.960 So she is taking his whole She very takes him, 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:53.080 very seriously. She's a homeopath. Well she's doing what he's doing, 0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.320 which is like, I know what you said, but I 0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:58.400 know a little better. I know a little bit better. Yeah, 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.000 that's it's kind of he gets the game, she gets 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.760 the gig. She has some interesting takes on autism too 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:07.760 for you, but I don't want to know those. In 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:11.280 the seventeen seventy nine, Samuel grew tired of organizing coins. 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:13.960 He moved to er Langen and attended that university where 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:17.840 he finished his medical degree. After his graduation, hey, hey, 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.640 step ahead of most, step ahead of he did most 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:22.560 of the doctors that we talked about. He got a 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:26.200 medical he got the degree. So we're okay, you see 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.000 where this is getting murky. Time for him to move 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:33.040 to Mexico, jerking off in val after his graduation. Samuelill 0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.320 spent the years between seventeen and seventy nine and seventeen 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:38.119 eighty five. Is a nomadic wanderer, moving more than a 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.679 dozen times to different towns and cities in Germany. He 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.760 grew interested in chemistry in Dessow, largely because he started 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:47.680 fucking the town apothecary's daughter. According to the University of Watching, 0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:51.880 her name was chemistry, where her name was chemistry according 0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:54.840 to the University of Washington quote. His gradual alienation from 0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:58.040 contemporary medicine and medical practices emerged during his stay in 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.199 the town of Gern. He was severely critical of the 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.159 deplorable conditions in a nearby asylum for the insane. In 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.240 five he became a health officer for the city of Dresden, 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.040 where for long years he aroused only hostility and contempt 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:14.679 from physicians and apothecary. He's get away yeah and again, 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.240 and he's kind of in the right, like he sees 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.119 how fund up medicine isn't He gets piste at it. 0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:19.959 That does seem to be true. That like at this 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:23.160 point as a working doctor, he's like, things are wrong. Yeah, 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:26.120 this is you're not They keep coming back. Yeah, that's 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.160 not what we want. Yeah, that's not what we want. 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.880 But lucky ones come back. The unlucky ones just die 0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.119 in the hole that we put them in, in the 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.159 sick person hole. And he's like, well, I'm also the undertaker, 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:38.400 so I'm doing all right. Yeah. There were a lot 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.880 of those doctor undertakers. Doctor Undertaker and Dr Barber were 0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:46.760 probably the two most common doctor mash up jobs. My 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.600 goal was to be a doctor bartender. I think that's 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:53.600 a good goal. It's a golf pro doctor. Golf pro doctor, 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.360 and be a good one. The reason for Hanmann's ostracization 0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:59.520 from the medical mainstream community had a lot to do 0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.920 with his first ration over how patients were treated by doctors. 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.360 The physicians of his day focused entirely on understanding the 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.360 nature of illness. Patients were treated more as collections of 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:10.680 symptoms than human beings, and Samuel became an advocate of 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:14.320 a more whole person focused approach to treating patients, which 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.960 he believed would yield better results. And he's not wrong. 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:20.240 He's not wrong. It's it's interesting because he's not he's 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:22.760 not wrong, and that that makes for a better experience 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:24.520 for the patient and that can have a positive impact 0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:27.120 on treating them. Um. There's also an argument to be 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.520 made that like all these years of doctors just focusing 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:31.960 on the symptoms and like basically just like trying to 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:33.920 figure out why people were dying and then cutting them 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.400 up after they died was necessary to figure out how 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.280 to perform medicine more effectively, Like you kind of needed 0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:43.840 those kind of crappy centuries. Um, so it's it's it's 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:48.440 it's like, well, all we know about pregnant ladies and pregnancy. 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:52.520 The Nazis did all the experimentations, Like when we went 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:55.680 in and we're like, hey, we found those files and 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.000 we're like, hey, you shouldn't have done this, but we're 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.360 gonna here. That's that's a bit of a myth. There 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:03.600 were a couple of things that were found out by it, 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:08.880 but yeah, they like most of the not Like, there 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.320 was some useful stuff that was discovered in like the 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.360 horrible experiments that were carried on concentration camps, but the 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.120 vast majority of it was nonsense. Was just like injecting 0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.240 dies into twins eyeballs to see if it changed the 0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:25.040 other twins eye. Like for every legitimate thing they discovered, um, 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:26.680 there were like ten things that were like, yeah, we 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:29.000 didn't need to even test this. We all could have 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.480 told you you're not going to change one twin by 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.760 shooting poison into the other. But now we know, now 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:40.080 we know it is. It isn't they're bad guys, Yeah, 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:42.440 yeah we are. Yeah yeah, but we found a group 0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:46.560 of us. Well do a whole Well, we'll have you 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:49.000 here for the episode of Nazi Doctors. It's gonna be 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:52.120 a fun episode of the show. Good God, Sophie's gonna 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.720 love it because we get to make a lot of 0:30:55.720 --> 0:31:02.480 Sophie's choice jokes. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah sure sure. So. 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.880 In seventeen ninety, while working in Dresden, Hanman got up 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:10.400 to some work translating an old manuscript about Chinchona bark 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.360 also called China bark, which was known to be an 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:16.640 effective treatment from malarial fever. Unlike most treatments at the time, 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.760 Chinchona bark absolutely did work. The leading theory as to 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.200 why was that the substance was an astringent, But this 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.840 reasoning didn't smell right to Hanman. He had tried out 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:29.320 substances far more astringent than Shinchona bark on fever patients 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.280 and did not have any effect. Uh. The actual reason 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.560 that Jinchona bark worked on fevers is that it had 0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:36.720 quinine in it, which is like an actual medicine and 0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:39.040 of things that get people from hilaria. So like, obviously 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:42.760 Chinchona bark helps with malarial fever. Um. So they knew 0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:44.360 that this thing worked, and they were right that had 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:47.360 helped with fevers. They just didn't know why the thing 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.520 in it. Yeah, And and Hanman was right in that 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:52.840 when he was like, no, no, no no, y'all's reasoning for 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:56.480 why this works is wrong. Um. And then he tried 0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:58.840 to figure out the real reason why it worked and 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.480 became even more wrong, but in a weird way. To 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.440 try and figure out why Chinchona bark helped with malarial fever, 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:09.000 Hanman started experimenting on himself. He had a sizeable dose 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.000 of the bark and noted its effect on him, as 0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.000 he wrote in his notes, quote, my feet, finger ends, 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.880 et cetera. At first became cold, I grew languid and drowsy. 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.000 Then my heart began to palpitate, and my pulse grew 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.440 hard and small and tolerable. Anxiety, trembling, prostration all throughout 0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:24.920 all my limbs. Then pulsation in the head, redness of 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.200 my cheeks, thirst, and in short, all these symptoms which 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:31.000 are ordinarily characteristic of intermittent fever made their appearance, one 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:34.080 after the other, yet without the peculiar chili, shivering, rigor 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.000 briefly even those symptoms which are of regular occurrence, and 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:40.240 especially characteristic as the dulness of mind, the kind of rigidity, 0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.480 and all the limbs, but above all the numb disagreeable 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:46.000 sensation which seems to have its seed, and the pero 0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.560 steum over every bone in the body. All these made 0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:51.560 their appearance. This paroxysm lasted two or three hours each time, 0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:54.280 and recurred if I repeated this dose, not otherwise I 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:57.680 discontinued it and was in good health. So he has 0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:59.560 like a really bad reaction to this ship kind of 0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.760 like a fee that's his that's his interpretation of its Like, oh, 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:06.360 this taking this fever treatment feels like a fever to me. 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:11.080 So Hanman was struck by a revelation as a result 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:14.200 of this. If this bark cured fevers but also gave 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.760 him a fever when he took it while he was healthy, 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:20.480 maybe that meant sicknesses were cured by substances that acted 0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:24.160 similarly to the illness they were treating. I can see 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:26.600 the logic. You can see the logic in that. You 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:28.720 can see like, it's not He's not a dumb person 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.080 at this stage in medical development for being like, oh, 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.120 maybe this is what's going on. Well, that's the steps 0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:35.440 you would take, I guess, just to figure stuff out. 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:37.840 I can see how a smart person would be like, oh, ship, 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.160 I think I think I figured something out. And I 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.240 think I'm saying that because that's what I would do. 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.200 That's what And there's there actually is some not in 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.080 his particular conclusion of it, but like vaccines essentially worked 0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:55.200 that way. He's he's wrong for the right reasons, I guess, 0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:58.200 you could say, or like he's there are some things 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:01.640 in medicine that work, like what on men realizes here 0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:06.080 his His main problem is that he generalizes way too much. Um, 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:10.279 that's humans, Yeah, that's humans exactly. Yes, but again, you see, 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.120 I have trouble. This guy's an imperfect person and we'll 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:14.719 get to some of his character flaws a little later 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.200 to um. But he's not a bastard. No, he's not. 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.239 He's not a bastard. He's doing his best in an 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:21.839 era where nobody knows anything about medicine. But he Yeah, 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:23.960 and he's one of the few people raising his eyebrow 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.239 to everything, being like, I don't know. You can think 0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:29.480 y'all are wrong, and he's right, but he's wrong too. 0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:33.040 I don't know the answer. Yeah, yeah, but that idea. 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.080 But he does eventually get to the point where he 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:39.280 feels like he knows the answer. So yeah. Hanman, based 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:42.640 on this single experiment, worked up a bold new theory 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.640 of medical science, which he summarized with the now infamous 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:50.239 line like here's like, okay, that's one of these is 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.400 more facts of homeopathy to get your thing, though, and 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:57.919 you do need something catching. It's like, uh, in order 0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:03.080 to beat Donald Trump, a dottering ill old man, we 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.880 need another daughtering ill old man whose eye fills with 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.200 blood at random intervals. I don't think we need that one. Nope, 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:13.319 that's what's gonna happen. Billy, Wayne fucking hope, you're so wrong. 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:18.640 We've all decided glad you gave me that knife. I 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:23.640 think that that is well, no, I hope not. But 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:28.680 if you travel at all, like damn it like like 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:32.239 here's like it's like when we when when when Mitt 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:37.240 Romney and uh, a violent Christian extremist ran for president, 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:41.160 the only person to beat them was Barack Obama, who 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:44.200 was essentially uh not Mit Romney. Jesus, I sucked this 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:49.560 up entirely. M hmm. I I don't know. It's it's 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:53.840 like how Barack Obama and John McCain are the same person. Yeah, see, 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.160 it doesn't make any sense. Just this didn't work at 0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:01.160 all for a woman, Okay, continue a woman. That's not 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:05.800 like caring like Sophie. That's that's love caring. Like that's 0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:13.120 not homeopathy kind of homeopathy. Yeah. So, Handman's basic idea 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.600 was that medicines treated illness by causing similar symptoms and 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.799 the patient. And thus when you had when you dose 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:20.759 someone with something that made them sick and they were 0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:23.239 already sick, the two sick because his was canceled each 0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.640 other out. Now you may recognize this as the same 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.520 medical reasoning and that one episode where Mr Burns goes 0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:30.520 to the doctor and they realized that he has all 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:37.479 of the diseases. Guy, your illnesses are perfect balance. That's 0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:42.080 that's literally Hanman's like like revelation as a result of 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:46.759 making himself sick on Cinchona Bark, Oh yeah, you just 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:50.160 kill it. It's like his thing is like you faught 0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:54.640 fire with fire. It's kind of like that the problem 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:56.480 came to him and you're on fire. He was like, 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:58.439 just give him some more him a little bit more fire, 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.279 that's going to give him. I mean that is kind 0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:02.279 of hedy with wildfires, but not in the same way. 0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:05.120 But not humans. But not a human fire. I do understand. 0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.160 You do understand how that works. It's kind of like 0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.360 the vaccine versus Yeah. Yeah, no, it is a vaccine 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.279 for fire's Yes, a little bit of fire. I'll cure 0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:18.720 this fire. Yeah, we control it before it does it itself. Yeah, 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.799 that's that's problem with over generalizing. Yeah it is. Yeah, 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:25.239 because I did try to stop a kitchen fire once 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:27.200 by just lighting other parts of the kitchen on fire 0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:29.959 and that did not work. That doesn't work. That doesn't work. 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.680 Or put um water on a grease fire. Do you 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:35.319 know that? Nope, But if you put grease on a 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:40.600 water fire that, if you've got water on fire, then 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:44.799 you are you are the city of Cleveland. Yes, yes, 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:48.680 you are. You guys cat your river. Every time I 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.000 make fun of Cleveland for the river being on fire 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:53.160 that like five times that it caught on fire, they 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.120 point out how clean it is today, and I'm like, 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:58.000 I'm sorry, Yeah, because all the stuff burned up is 0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:01.920 the poison burned death the river us. He cleaned it. 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.839 I'm never gonna let Cleveland live that one down. They 0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.280 don't care. They don't care, they don't They've been drunk 0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:11.200 the whole time. I love Cleveland. It's fun. You can 0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:16.759 mess anything up. They don't notice. She got mad. Sophie's 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:22.000 is a Cleveland stand No. I was just thinking about 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:23.759 the only thing that they got mad at Boz when 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:27.000 Lebron loved well, I'd be mad about that too. That's 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.520 the only thing they have. Yeah, well he left, he's 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:34.960 ours now, Well he's no one's beautiful. Lebron James belongs 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.000 to the world. He has a precious Jim. He was 0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:41.480 a precious, is a precious Jim, possibly one of the 0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:44.760 people least fit for this podcast. Yeah, he's so nice. 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.600 Every move he makes is great. Yeah, he's he's a 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:54.399 class act. He's Shack unlike Shack. No, he's like Shack. 0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:56.279 Oh he's like Shack. Yeah. I like Shack. I like 0:38:56.320 --> 0:39:01.560 Shack too. Shack's great. Shack is right, Dion, Chack is great. 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:03.960 But I mean he's definitely not as nice of a 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.080 person as Lebron James. I feel like now we're just 0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:11.719 now we're just splitting very large, tall hairs. I don't 0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:15.480 want to like continue with you continue the podcast. You 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.799 do host? I do? I do host a podcast. So 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:22.840 the logic of Hanman's idea that like cures like was 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.760 reinforced a few years later when Dr Edward Jenner invented 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.640 the first smallpox vaccine. This worked by, you know, essentially 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:30.880 introducing a small sample of the disease into a patient 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.680 to immunize them. Now, today we know that what Jenner 0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:36.320 did with his vaccine is very different than what Hanman proposed, 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.799 but at the time, giving the information available, you could 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.480 be forgiven for taking Jenner's breakthrough is more evidence that 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:46.600 Hanman was on the right track. Mademan insufferable. He definitely was. 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.840 That happens after this point. Ah, he's been telling you all. 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.680 I figured it out. Who told you? Clearly? This is 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.480 the same thing. Damn it. Electrified by his study, Samuel 0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:59.680 will Hanman began a series of experiments to develop what 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.440 he will eve would be a whole new and much 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:05.200 more valid school of medicine, since the underlying theory behind 0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.080 it all was that light cures like he called his 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.480 new system homeopathy. On his first book on the subject, 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.880 he wrote, to obtain a quick and lasting cure, choose 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.080 for every attack or illness a substance that which can 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.279 produce a similar malady to the one it is to cure. 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:20.799 Modern day homeopaths still cite this experiment as one of 0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.360 the greatest developments in the history of mankind. One modern 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.960 text book claims Chinchona bark was to Hanman what the 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.040 falling apple was to Newton and the swinging lamp to Galileo. 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.000 Hanman launched next into a series of bold experiments, both 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:35.720 on himself and on his children, his wife, and his students. 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:39.360 In his first book, Fragmented Deirebus, he asserted that he 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:41.960 had experienced a hundred and twenty two different symptoms from 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:44.920 ingesting chinchona bark, which suggested, uh it must have a 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:48.600 wide ranging medical application. Likewise, Samuel had listed a hundred 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:52.640 and seventy four known symptoms with the consumption of green peppers. 0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:57.400 Um so I deal with health problems by it and 0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:01.600 peppers hundred and seventy four them. Although you know this 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:05.080 is obviously not real medicine, but it also seems pretty harmless, 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.560 like eating eating green peppers isn't going to cure anything, 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:11.080 but it's not gonna make you worse. Unfortunately, the very 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.799 logic of light cures like led Hanman inevitably towards experiments 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.920 with literal poisons. Martin Gumper, one of his biographers, wrote, 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.880 day after day he tested medicines on himself and others. 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.480 He collected histories of cases of poisoning. His purpose was 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:27.520 to establish a physiological doctrine of medical remedies free from 0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:31.120 all suppositions, based solely on experiments. Hanman sent his children 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:34.200 into the fields to collect hinbane, sumach and deadly nightshade. 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:36.719 They grew up like young priests of the Esclepion of 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.439 costs they felt the leaves, blossoms and tubers with small 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:42.239 but expert hands. Everyone was obliged to join in the work, 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:43.799 for there was no other way to succeed in his 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.480 titanic plan of rescuing the wealth of natural remedies from 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:49.080 the quagmire of textbooks and displaying it in the bright 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.960 light of experience. The family huddled together, and every free 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:53.600 moment of every one of them, from the oldest to 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.200 the youngest, was made of for the testing of medicines 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:58.319 and the gathering of the most precise information on their 0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:01.080 observed effects. So he sends his kids out in the 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.799 field to grab poison and take it. So that's good. 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.879 That's how your kids. There are his kids, He owns them. 0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:12.120 That's his He's a doctor. He's a doctor. It was 0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:15.160 an exciting time for Hanman and his family. Unfortunately, which 0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.440 ones are going to die. It was not an exciting 0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:19.960 time for many of his patients. Uh. And I'm gonna 0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.120 quote now from the A. C. S. H is right 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:26.040 up on homeopathy, having a masked, voluminous pseudo knowledge by 0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:29.720 pairing many specific vile substances, in particular diseases who symptoms 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:32.600 most resembled the effects he attributed to those substances. Hanman 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:34.879 set up shop as the original homeopath. He would begin 0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:38.280 his consultations by putting wearisomely. Numerous questions to the patient 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:40.640 their applies would contribute to his building a picture of 0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:43.720 the patient's condition, a picture based exclusively on these replies, 0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:47.920 the patient's appearance, and Hanman's supposedly God given intuition. For example, 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.520 if the patient had a gray pallor, was sweating profusely, 0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.200 and said that he or she suffered from abdominal cramps, 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.719 Hanman would in effect look up gray pallors, sweating, and 0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.839 abdominal cramps. In his tome, used cross references to narrow 0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:01.320 down possible remedies, and us decide that strict nine, a 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.640 toxic alkaloid, was the I don't care for the patient's condition, 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:06.759 and it'll make it stop. It will make it, it 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.160 will it will stop a lot. Yes, it'll make it stop. 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:13.120 Strict nine causes sweating and horrific cramps itself, so it 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:15.719 seemed like a logical treatment for a patient exhibiting those 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:20.279 same symptoms. Unfortunately, giving literal poison to sick people is 0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:24.319 likelier to kill them than cure them. That's that was okay, good, 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.640 that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure you were 0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:28.439 going to say that. Yeah, that's where this is heading. 0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:31.240 He kills a lot of people because of the poisons. 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:34.480 Because of the poisons, it turns out that's bad. Is 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:41.480 his defense. The you have to let me fail. If 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:44.319 I have succeeded in curing one patient, it's only because 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:48.879 I failed on nine. It's a numbers game. You kill 0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:51.239 a hundred percent of the patients you don't treat. That 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:55.280 is That's what Wayne Gretzky said, Doctor Reverend Dr Wayne Gretzky. 0:43:55.719 --> 0:44:01.080 That's his famous ah my headphones fell off. 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Yeah, everybody loves the 0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.080 sound of metal on Metal almost as much as they 0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:55.759 sent love the sound of Cody's time machine. That was 0:44:55.800 --> 0:45:00.960 so crazy. That was horrible. It was disgusting. Now, Uh, 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.840 that's a metaphor for something disgusting. It's a literal of something. 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:12.160 Discovery Johnston made the most horrifying what he thought was 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:15.080 a sound effect for a time machine. It sounds like 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:19.200 sounded like cockroaches performing oral sex. Yeah, it wasn't. It 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:26.760 was like no terrible, speaking of terrible. Uh. Samuel Hahnman's 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:30.399 practice of giving poison to sick people uh worked out 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:33.960 terribly uh and killed a huge number of them. Quote. 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:37.640 For stomach pains. He regularly prescribed quart aouns doses of mercury. 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:43.319 He instructed one, so much mercury. That's like, that's like 0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:46.120 twenty thermometers worth of mercury, and that's going to hurt you. 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:49.279 That is not going to help, not coming back. He 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:51.600 instructed one poor soul to take half an ounce of 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:55.160 sulfuric acid in the morning, another half ounce later that day. 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.480 I do not think they made it to the second. 0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.200 If you get to the end of the day, take 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.359 a little more, take a little bar. If you make it. 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:05.120 You can just imagine that person making it through and 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:06.960 then just being like, all right, you gotta taken I 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:11.320 don't I don't want to do it again. That second 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:16.040 dose just falls right out through the whole made it through. 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:21.960 Oh God. Yeah. A purported healing system that Hanman asserted 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:24.279 God had revealed to him was having devilish effects on 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.880 his patients who were dropping like flies. Them with a 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:32.320 big pad of paper and just one Nope, no, that one. No, 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:36.160 it's not the solution. Not nope. And I'm guessing it 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:37.920 was like for heartburn or something. It's like, oh, your 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:42.000 heart's burning. Huh. I think I know what'll deal with this. 0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:44.279 Burn your heart back. You want to burn your heart 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:50.920 back into alignment. To drink some fucking acid drink? Oh boy? Yeah? 0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:58.040 So you know, was it bubbling? That's the carbonation some 0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:01.839 doctors might have you know, realized from all of these 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:05.360 dead people, uh, that this theory of like curing like 0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:10.400 maybe was not as universally applicable as Hanman thought. But 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:13.920 Samuel Hanman did not make that decision. Instead, he decided 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:16.680 that his theory just needed a little bit of alteration. 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.440 M you know, you don't need you don't want to, 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.640 You don't want to scrap a whole medical theory just 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.520 because you burn a couple of people to death with acid. Yeah, 0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.840 he has looked up in his his healing poal was 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.960 a lot smaller than the dead body pie. And that 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.640 I mean that does mean you need to rejigger some things. Yeah, 0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:37.719 math's wrong. The math's not right. We're going out here now. 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:40.520 To adjust his theory, Hanman turned back to his Masonic 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:43.440 and occult roots. He added a new stage to the treatment. 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:46.000 Instead of just dosing his patients with fatal poisons and 0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:49.160 watching them die horribly, he began deluding said poisons to 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:52.480 a ridiculous extent. He'd start by adding ninety nine drops 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:54.719 of alcohol to one drop of the actual substance, and 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.400 then he would shake the mixture to potentialize it and 0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:01.560 activate its magical power. Potentialize potentialize that they still do that. 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:03.920 You gotta shake this ship. Obviously, you don't shake. It 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:07.000 doesn't work. It's like one of those it's like one 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:10.799 of those uh five hour energies. Yeah, you gotta shake it, 0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:13.799 gotta shake it. He would then delude it further, adding 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:17.160 drops of water to one drop of this one C mixture, 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:19.560 and that would create a two C mixture, and so 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:22.120 on down the line, until essentially nothing was left of 0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:26.719 the original substance. Of course, this was placebo. It's just 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:31.480 a placebo. But to Hanman, he saw this instantly have 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:34.080 a massive positive effect about his patients, because it's way 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:37.400 better to give someone water than strict nine. Yes, yes, 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:41.160 I didn't go to I mean allegedly, I don't know 0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:44.799 for a fact, but that's doing the medical school. I'm 0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:48.640 not a doctor, but I think was suggested that to me. Yeah, 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:50.640 I think if you drink water, it'll make you feel better. 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.439 Aren't you both red doctors? We haven't. We haven't gone 0:48:54.480 --> 0:49:00.520 to Haiti to bleach people. This is the bleach part that, yeah, understand, 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:04.200 But I want that sweet, sweet, I want that title 0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:09.640 you take. Uh, just what if we make our own program? 0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:12.840 How do we become accredited to give people fake medical degrees? 0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:18.160 This is American? We're just like, Oh, I don't think 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:20.000 it's probably as hard as we think it is. Yeah, 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:22.840 we got to find someone who owns a small college 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:25.240 and then give us an honorary doctorate. You know who's 0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:29.120 let's talk to Uh oh, what's his Liberty They're in trouble, right, 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:31.480 Liberty University. We just did an episode of I bet 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:33.960 we could get that. Yeah, they need some help right now, 0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:35.839 they need some help right now. Let's get in bed 0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:39.399 with the fallwells. Yeah, what could go wrong? No, well, 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:41.279 we'll get in the pool with the follow Oh yeah, 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:46.920 have you seen that stuff about the trainers? Yeah? Boy, yeah, 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:53.359 what what does his name? Want one? It's so, I'm 0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:55.960 proudest of him. He did well, he did he did 0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:59.399 very well. Every movie made. I was a boy. There's 0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:04.800 a good solid man now. Uh so, obviously, Hanman starts 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:08.520 deluding his literal poison, and he notices massive improvements and 0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:14.480 his surviving patients um dehydrated anymore. Yeah, it's great. Nor 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:18.320 are my insides liquefying? It's now to Hanman, this proved 0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:20.560 he was on the right track. He added the aphorism 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:24.160 less is more to like cures like, and together these 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:30.640 two facts laid the cornerstone of homeopathic medicine. Yep, Hanman's diaries. 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.319 If his less is more period included much alchemic and 0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:37.000 astrologic symbol I'm sorry I'm quoting here from uh that 0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:41.399 that right up? They all understand marketing. Oh yeah, yeah 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:44.800 to it like a degree that most people. I wonder 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:47.360 with Hanman though, I wonder if he's just this is 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:52.760 just kind of how science works when you know less, 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:55.600 everyone's dying from everyone's treatments because they're all bad. Like 0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:57.439 we we laugh about him giving someone a quarter ounce 0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:00.480 of mercury because that's debt terrible, but also like normal 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:03.960 doctors who weren't homeopaths, we're also giving people and we 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:07.640 know that you don't do that because of them. Yeah, 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.760 there is that. Yeah, So I think it's very possible 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:14.000 that Hanman is just he's making some clearly some logical 0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:16.640 failures and being like, now when I deluded it, they 0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:19.560 got better. That means deluding it makes the medicine stronger, 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:22.520 or it's like no, no that's not that's not quite it. 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:26.360 The stuff is killing them and you're giving them less stuff. 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:31.920 You just stopped poisoning them. He's like, or or what 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:36.920 less is more? Yeah? Or the saying yeah, so he 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.960 he started, you know, spending his nights shaking and mixing 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:44.080 and cooking up all sorts of magical cures for people. 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:48.000 Um and over time, Hanman grew to delude his medicines 0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:50.399 more and more. In seventeen nine, while he was based 0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:53.279 in a small town called Konnig Saluter, an outbreak of 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:56.320 scarlet fever hit the community. Hanman thought the symptoms of 0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:58.719 the disease headaches and wide open eyelids with a dull, 0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:01.200 staring look, were similar the effects he'd observed on his 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:03.480 friends and family when he dosed them with atropine. To 0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.640 see what would happen. Following the theory of like curing like, 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.440 he dosed patients with atropine. Thankfully, it was an extremely 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:16.320 deluded one thirty two solution. Uh so you know what, 0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:19.000 it was, basically water. I'm gonna quote from the University 0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:21.360 of Washington here. The reason for deluding the drug was 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:24.600 Hanman's awareness that drugs were often responsible for aggregating existing 0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:28.160 diseases or introducing new ones with contemporary dosages. Still believing 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:30.480 he was observing drug effects, he gradually gave his pure 0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:34.120 drugs and greater delusions. Hanman rationalized this action by speculating 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:36.600 that an illness the body was enormously more sensitive to 0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:40.480 drugs than in health. He's making a lot of logical 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:44.160 leaps here, it's interest. Yeah. And here's the question. Is 0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:48.800 he also dosing himself? Yes, so he's just getting madder 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:52.239 and madder. Yeah, I I I do suspect that's having 0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:55.439 an impact because he gave himself a lot of poisons. Yeah, 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:59.200 I'm sure kids affect the mind. You don't hear much 0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:05.359 about his kids. Well, well, all that mercury. Yeah. Now, 0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.319 he continued his tactic of deluding his medication until things 0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:11.759 reach their current point of homeopathic absurdity. A modern homeopathic 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:13.960 treatment for the common cold would be a six C 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:17.640 solution of onion, white onion, because when you cut an onion, 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:19.680 your nose gets all stuffed up like it does when 0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:22.640 you have a cold. Man. Yeah. Now, if you're wondering 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:24.920 how much actual onion is in a six C delution, 0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:27.000 well I'm gonna quote from the A C s h 0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:30.200 is right up again. A six C onion concentration would 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:33.080 result if one filled whimbley stadium to the roof with 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:35.800 water and added one drop of an onion mother tincture. 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:38.920 A twelve C onion concentration and a homeopathic pill is 0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:40.880 equivalent to that which would result of one added a 0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.319 single drop of onion mother tincture to a body of 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:45.600 water the size of the Atlantic Ocean. So he's just 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:49.840 he's just giving them water. Kind of depends on how 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:53.360 are you doing this. It's like an onion version of lacroix. Yeah, 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:57.520 it's like more concentrated or more diluted. Lacroixis a lot 0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:01.400 stronger than homeopath. Is someone in the next stroom cutting onions, Like, no, 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:04.359 that's the medicine. That's the medicine. But we did make 0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:06.520 it by having someone in the next room cut onions 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.640 and we took the smell of it and sprinkled it 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.440 on the water. They're actually getting into what is the 0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:15.600 problem one of the modern problems with homeopathic medicine, But 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:18.400 that's gonna wait until part two. They don't always delude 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:22.040 it so much. Now. The ironic thing about all this 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:25.520 is that Hanman's nonsense medicine actually saved a huge number 0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:27.520 of lives during this period of time. This is not 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:29.640 because his cure has worked, but it is because real 0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:33.160 doctors in this period we're prescribing people poison. Most sicknesses 0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:35.759 suffered by most people get better on their own after 0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:39.280 enough time, if you just don't give people deadly poisons. 0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:42.440 So Hanman's patients would start taking his nonsense water, they 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:44.600 would heal of their body's own accord, and they would 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:46.880 avoid going to a regular doctor who would have probably 0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:48.520 tried to drill a hole in their brain to let 0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:52.080 the ghosts out. In this way, completely by accident, Samuel 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:55.320 Hahnman did succeed in advancing the frontiers of medical science 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:57.360 in a major way. I want to quote from the 0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:01.200 nineteen sixty three book The March of Medicine. However we 0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:03.800 may judge Hanman's theory, one thing must be admitted. It 0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:06.720 led to a decisive change in medical thought. Clear Headed 0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:09.680 doctors realized that a minimum dose of an ineffectual substance 0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:12.720 such as homeopaths used, was tantamount to giving no treatment. 0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:14.680 If the sick recovered all the same, and this could 0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.000 not be disputed, it must be a matter of self healing. 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:20.880 Homeopathic treatment, in other words, no treatment was often far better. 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:24.759 So basically doctors start realizing, like, Okay, this guy has 0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:26.680 given people nothing. We know that. We know that like 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.640 his because we knew math, like you know Avogadro's number 0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:30.880 and Shi at this point, we know this is just 0:55:30.960 --> 0:55:34.560 water and his patients are doing better than ours. Maybe 0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:38.040 we suck. Maybe we're bad at this, and we need 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:41.880 to really fundamentally change how we do medicine. And Hanman 0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:44.319 was a big part of that realization. That's really nice. Yeah, 0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:47.440 and then it's also like you think there's a period. 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:50.840 Really maybe if we send our patients to the ghost 0:55:51.040 --> 0:55:54.560 we let out of their brain, that would help. Yeah, 0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:56.480 that they try, we're doing. They send a lot of 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:58.080 patients to the ghosts that they let out of their 0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:01.319 brain to it just seems like probably a step they 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:05.759 went through. Yeah, it wasn't an even march of progress. 0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:10.000 That dude was the doctor and we let that ghost 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.680 out of his brain. Let's see what the doctor ghost now, 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:17.960 and he didn't give them poison. So the ghost doctor 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:20.440 was a better doctor than the actual doctors. Yeah, the 0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:23.359 ghost doctor would absolutely be a better I would rather 0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:25.280 go to a ghost doctor in this period than Hanman 0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:27.719 or a regular doctor. The more and more I come 0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:30.239 to these more and more I realized like, oh, it 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:33.839 makes sense, we've destroyed this planet. Yeah, we're not We're 0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:36.520 not a smart species. Yeah, it's crazy. It took us 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.160 this more. Yeah. No, we've really made a lot of progress. 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:41.440 For as dumb as we are. It's kind of inspiring 0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:43.440 when you think about it that way. We're doing all 0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:47.320 right well. Real doctors took the apparent success of Hanman's 0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:50.560 methods as a reason to revise their tactics. Samuel himself 0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:53.120 continue to plow forward and develop his treatments into a 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:57.120 wide ranging belief system. Homeopathy was immediately popular with patients 0:56:57.400 --> 0:57:00.320 for obvious reasons. Um from a report in the Anctional 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:03.400 Institutes of Health quote, the differences between orthodox medicine and 0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:06.480 homeopathy could hardly be more vivid. From its beginning, homeopathy 0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:09.239 always began with a long consultation lasting at least an hour, 0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:11.319 in which all aspects of the patient's illness and life 0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:14.520 were discussed. Homeopaths like to stress that they practice holistic 0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:17.920 medicine and the appropriate treatment chosen. In contrast, during the 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:21.320 first half of the nineteenth century, when homeopathy was becoming established, 0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:23.880 orthodox medicine was immersed in the belief that advances and 0:57:24.000 --> 0:57:27.080 understanding disease could only come from a detailed correlation of 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:29.320 symptoms and signs of the sick patient. On the ward 0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:34.080 and the findings that autopsy clinical pathological correlation. So these 0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:38.000 orthodox tactics did lead to eventually a greater understanding of 0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:40.760 health and illness um, but it also meant in the 0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:44.000 immediate term that doctors are basically often we're just gonna 0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:45.880 wait till you die and cut you open and then 0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:49.320 and then we'll be better in the future, which patients 0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:53.240 aren't big fans of. No, they like a doctor who 0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:55.320 treats you as a person and not as just like 0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:57.400 waiting to cut into your corpse and be like, you 0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:00.000 took your car in a mechanic and he's like, ah, 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:03.120 I could, but I'm not going to ye. But when 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:05.600 it quits running, bring it to me. When your brakes 0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:10.680 fail on the highway, I'll cut your car open afterwards, 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:13.840 and yeah, I'll tell you which why the bricks didn't work, Okay, 0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:17.480 exactly what they didn't work. Yeah. So Hanman showed no 0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:21.440 interest in detailed pathology, uh, none in conventional diagnosis and treatment. 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:23.720 He was only interested in the principles of homeopathic medicine, 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:26.280 which he used to name the illness. Classic Homeopathy was 0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:29.680 therefore seen by its supporters as an attractively safe symptom, simple, 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:31.920 easy to understand, and centered on the patient as a 0:58:31.920 --> 0:58:35.720 whole and not on pathological lesions. By eighteen o one, 0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:37.760 Hanman had moved on yet again, back to a town 0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:40.520 near Leipzig. His notebooks revealed the kind of problems most 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:44.280 of his patients came to him with insomnia, headaches, dizziness, constipation, 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:48.080 lack of appetite, backaches, menopause, menstruation. In other words, all 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:52.080 things that tended to resolve themselves. Life. Yeah, life. But 0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:55.760 Samuel Hanman watched his patients improve after giving them water, 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:57.680 and he grew convinced that he had solved the problem 0:58:57.720 --> 0:59:00.800 of sickness for all time. His fellow doctors were less 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:03.400 than convinced, and they were particularly frustrated with the fact 0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:06.720 that high society, the aristocracy, and the very wealthy increasingly 0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:10.600 embraced homeopathy over orthodox medicine. By eighteen o five, he 0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:13.440 was widely recognized as a physician of note. In eighteen ten, 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:16.280 he published the organ On of Rational Healing, which would 0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:19.800 be published in five editions during his lifetime. Leipzig University, 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:22.240 his alma mater, hired him to give lectures from eighteen 0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:25.160 twelve to eighteen twenty one, he taught six month courses 0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:28.200 on the principles of homeopathy. Curious young minds from all 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:31.120 over Europe flocked to Hanman's classroom to learn from the master. 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:34.120 By this point, he'd grown utterly convinced of his own brilliance, 0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:36.240 to the point where he told one group of students, 0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:39.000 he who does not walk on exactly the same line 0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:41.080 with me, who diverges if would be but the breath 0:59:41.120 --> 0:59:43.080 of a straw to the right of the left is 0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:45.520 an apples state and a traitor. And with him, I 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:49.880 have nothing to do. Oh goody good. He doesn't get 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:55.720 more better in his old age, No, yeah, yeah, it's 0:59:55.760 --> 0:59:57.320 it's this is kind of where he gets to be 0:59:57.320 --> 0:59:59.840 a little bit more problematic. Everyone's telling him how great 1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:03.240 is yeah yeah, And you know, in fairness to him, 1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:07.680 compared to the poison, doctors held goods, not given people 1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:10.040 poison is a good move as a doctor. I wish 1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:11.280 I had been a doctor, that it would have been 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.640 so much easier. Yeah, machettison could have really taken off 1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:18.080 that a just cut off a digit, Just cut off 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:21.600 a finger. Oh he's trying to give you acid. I'm 1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:23.880 just gonna cut your finger. Just give me Which finger 1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:26.360 do you hate? Yeah, you have, We all have one. 1:00:26.400 --> 1:00:29.560 We love. Everybody's got an evil finger. Which finger? That's 1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:34.040 the core of machettison? God, all right, it's time for ads, Sophie. 1:00:34.080 --> 1:00:36.520 Sophie is saying it's time for ads. If you like 1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:47.959 cutting your finger off, try these products service. We're back. 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:53.280 You tried, though, Billy in one. At age sixty six, 1:00:53.320 --> 1:00:57.040 Samuel Hanman was granted unlimited privileges by a nearby duchess, 1:00:57.120 --> 1:00:58.840 allowing him to live in luxury while he took a 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:03.680 partial retirement to the develop his theories six and held 1:01:03.760 --> 1:01:07.120 a long fucking life. That means it's old now. Yeah, 1:01:07.320 --> 1:01:10.920 he lives forever essentially. Yeah uh. He continued to be 1:01:11.000 --> 1:01:14.160 the center of the homeopathic field, directing the establishment of 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:17.160 a homeopathic journal and watching his new homeopathic schools were 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:20.640 established by his former students. While homeopathy spread over the continent. 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:24.080 Samuel Hanman continued to work until in eight he presented 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:27.240 his greatest discovery since his first breakthrough. The father of 1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:32.000 homeopathy had finally found the root of all chronic illnesses. No, 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:38.640 the itch really, yeah, he decided it was scabies. That's 1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:40.640 not that's I can tell you from experience that's not 1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:43.400 the it's not the root of illness, and stayed in 1:01:43.440 --> 1:01:46.680 some shady hotels and stuff. Yeah now, Hanman termed it 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:50.520 sora and claimed that scabies basically acted as the soil 1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:54.280 from which all diseases sprung. Modern homeopaths are very much 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:56.160 divided on whether or not this last great theory of 1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:58.480 Hanman's was a misstep or the key to a proper 1:01:58.520 --> 1:02:02.400 homeopathic treatment. Actual doctors recognized that scaby is to actually 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:05.480 caused by tiny microsoftic mites and has nothing to do 1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:09.480 with same multiple sclerosis after chro. But I'm sure during 1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:15.160 that time it was a huge problem. Scabies is everywhere, everywhere. 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:17.880 Everybody's got scabies. Who comes in with something else wrong 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:21.120 must be the scabies causn't it. It's like people that 1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:24.880 that do hardcore drugs always also smoke pot. Yeah, that's 1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:30.280 the same, exactly that logic. Yes, yeah, got you now. Uh. 1:02:30.400 --> 1:02:35.080 In eighteen thirty five, Hunman married a thirty five year 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:39.440 old French socialite. She'd originally been one of his patients. 1:02:38.240 --> 1:02:43.520 Year old. I mean even the old horny dudes existed, 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:47.800 old horny dudes, and he is apparently great at it. Uh. Yeah, 1:02:47.840 --> 1:02:49.840 she'd originally been one of his patients, which I'm sure 1:02:49.920 --> 1:02:54.280 presented no ethical dilemma. His family, particularly his surviving children, 1:02:54.320 --> 1:02:57.000 were horrified when they now very elderly scientist left for 1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:59.760 France with his young new wife. Oddly enough, that year 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:02.600 eighteen thirty five was also the your homeopathy faced its 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:05.840 first effective rebuttal, using what we would recognize today as 1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:09.440 actual science. But he didn't like that. You know, I 1:03:09.440 --> 1:03:11.640 don't even know what he thought about it, because it's 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:14.120 not like there weren't like online journals and stuff that's 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:16.640 happened far away from him. I don't know. He was busy, 1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:19.760 he was he was busy. Oh you guys got a 1:03:19.760 --> 1:03:21.560 problem with I don't care. I'll make sure you ain't. 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:26.200 Got no escaping. French homeopathy had taken off among the 1:03:26.200 --> 1:03:29.080 great and good in the Kingdom of Bavaria. In Nuremberg, 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:32.080 to homeopathic doctors did a brisk business treating the nobility 1:03:32.120 --> 1:03:35.640 with nonsense water. This irritated a fellow named Friedrich Wilhelm 1:03:35.760 --> 1:03:38.480 von Hoven, the city's chief public health official and the 1:03:38.520 --> 1:03:41.200 head of the hospitals. He wrote a critique of homeopathy 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:43.960 under a pseudonym. According to the n I h quote. 1:03:44.080 --> 1:03:47.160 Von Hoven accused homeopathy of lacking any scientific foundation. He 1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:49.760 suggested that homeopathic drugs were not real medicines at all. 1:03:49.760 --> 1:03:52.880 An alleged homeopathic cures were either due to dietetic regimes 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:55.280 and the healing powers of nature, or showed the power 1:03:55.280 --> 1:03:58.240 of belief. He called for an objective comparative assessment by 1:03:58.280 --> 1:04:02.040 impartial experts. If, as he aspected, homeopathic treatment proved ineffective, 1:04:02.160 --> 1:04:04.360 the government would need to take drastic measures to protect 1:04:04.360 --> 1:04:07.760 the lives of deceived patients. A little bit of both. 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:12.920 In between. It seems like everyone is very reactionary to 1:04:13.080 --> 1:04:15.480 the I mean, nothing's changed that not humans are, but 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:18.440 they can't. They have a hard time going in between. 1:04:19.800 --> 1:04:23.480 It's interesting, it is interesting. It's it's a common problem 1:04:23.520 --> 1:04:29.400 with people. UM. Johan Jacob Reuter, Nuremberg's homeopathic doctor UH, 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:32.680 defended his discipline by claiming that even children, lunatics, and 1:04:32.720 --> 1:04:36.640 animals had been cured by homeopathic solutions. He challenged von 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:41.080 Hoven to try something comparisons like the children, lunatics, and 1:04:41.200 --> 1:04:47.440 animals and animals the three kinds of people you know. Uh. 1:04:47.480 --> 1:04:50.240 He challenged von Hoven to try some homeopathic medicine a 1:04:50.280 --> 1:04:52.600 thirty C dilution of salt and see if he didn't 1:04:52.600 --> 1:04:56.720 feel something. This test or challenge sparked dozens of physicians 1:04:56.720 --> 1:04:58.720 and pharmacists in Nuremberg to take him up on his 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:01.840 offer and now on some sweet yeah, now, now I 1:05:01.960 --> 1:05:04.760 kind of want some joblins. Uh. So suddenly all these 1:05:04.760 --> 1:05:07.800 physitions started doing tests on themselves with deluted salt water, 1:05:08.040 --> 1:05:10.920 and eventually they hit upon the idea of conducting a 1:05:11.000 --> 1:05:13.320 single large scale test and Clint instead of all doing 1:05:13.360 --> 1:05:17.520 individual tests. Quote. Following a widely publicized invitation to anyone 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:19.720 who was interested, more than a hundred twenty citizens met 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:22.560 in a local tavern. The minimum numbers needed to proceed 1:05:22.600 --> 1:05:24.640 had been fixed at fifty. The design of the proposed 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:26.680 trial was explained to detail in front of everyone. A 1:05:26.720 --> 1:05:29.600 hundred vials were numbered, thoroughly shuffled, and then split up 1:05:29.600 --> 1:05:31.880 into random into two lots of fifty. One lot was 1:05:31.880 --> 1:05:34.640 filled with distilled snow water, the other with ordinary salt 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:37.600 and a homeopathic C thirty dilution of distilled snow water 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:40.360 prepared just as Reuter had demanded. A grain of salt 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:42.520 was dissolved and a hundred drops that distilled snow water 1:05:42.600 --> 1:05:45.200 and the resulting solution was deluted twenty nine times at 1:05:45.240 --> 1:05:47.480 a ratio of one to one hundred. So this is 1:05:47.520 --> 1:05:50.080 like a double line experiment. You get your control, you 1:05:50.160 --> 1:05:53.040 get your your your test group um and a list 1:05:53.080 --> 1:05:55.800 was made of which subjects had received which substances. The 1:05:55.840 --> 1:05:58.480 subjects themselves were kept in the dark about what they'd received. 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:02.200 So this is believed to be the first double blind 1:06:02.240 --> 1:06:04.840 study conducted in the history of medicine. This is what 1:06:04.880 --> 1:06:08.240 it's done to try and see if homeopathy worked. Like 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:12.360 Hanman advanced the frontiers of medical science more than almost 1:06:12.400 --> 1:06:17.040 any other single person, completely by accident. Yeah, completely by accident. 1:06:17.080 --> 1:06:21.640 It's kind of cool, but contrarian being like I think 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:23.800 I don't think this is right. Yeah, I think I'm 1:06:23.840 --> 1:06:26.680 the only one who knows anything. And well that's what 1:06:26.720 --> 1:06:28.880 I was gonna say too. Is like a lot of 1:06:29.320 --> 1:06:33.959 it seems like a lot even to this day. Arrogance. Yeah, 1:06:34.880 --> 1:06:38.880 takes us away farther and helps us in some degree, 1:06:38.920 --> 1:06:41.760 But we heard ourselves pretty hard till we get there. 1:06:41.880 --> 1:06:43.720 There's a lot of Ye. There's actually a lot of 1:06:43.760 --> 1:06:46.360 interesting writings on the evolution of over confidence and like 1:06:46.440 --> 1:06:49.360 why over confidence occurs in species and stuff, and like 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:51.760 how if you're if you've got two species, two different 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:56.439 animals competing over resource, and one of them believes irrationally 1:06:56.440 --> 1:06:58.200 that it will win any fight, and so it always 1:06:58.200 --> 1:07:01.360 tries to grab the thing. Like, sometimes it will get 1:07:01.400 --> 1:07:04.000 in fights, and sometimes it will lose those fights, but 1:07:04.040 --> 1:07:06.320 more often than not, the less confident thing would just 1:07:06.360 --> 1:07:07.920 be like, I don't want to I don't want to 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:09.880 fight with you. But the dog that goes for the 1:07:09.920 --> 1:07:13.560 treat first gets the treat most often, or yeah, whoever 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:16.480 throws the first punch. And with human beings, that means 1:07:16.520 --> 1:07:19.680 sometimes we build arsenals of nuclear weapons capable of annihilating 1:07:19.680 --> 1:07:22.880 all life on Earth and hand them to dottering old men. Uh. 1:07:22.920 --> 1:07:25.040 And it also means sometimes we look up at the 1:07:25.080 --> 1:07:27.080 moon and go, yeah, I bet we could fling a 1:07:27.120 --> 1:07:29.600 guy into that. Let's go up there, let's figure that 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:31.760 ship out. Yeah we can do it. Fuck it. I mean, 1:07:32.240 --> 1:07:36.520 if my car goes this fan, that's just a bigger 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:41.520 gas tank. Yeah that's that. That happened in Huntsville, Alabama. 1:07:41.600 --> 1:07:44.560 That's where that's where they build those rocks. Yeah, so 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:48.120 keep making fun of the South. Yeah, we fucking landed 1:07:48.120 --> 1:07:51.280 on the goddamn moon. That's where all the ness shit 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:56.240 is because nobody else is that fucking crazy. No, well 1:07:56.280 --> 1:07:58.520 that's a lot of it too. Yeah, is there a 1:07:58.560 --> 1:08:00.920 lot of rednecks going like, but I know how to 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:03.080 do this. I can get us up there. That's really 1:08:03.120 --> 1:08:04.760 like the core history, and that's why, like all the 1:08:04.840 --> 1:08:07.160 great test pilots come from like Ohio or something like 1:08:07.240 --> 1:08:09.720 flat boring places where it's like, oh, yeah, I've been 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:11.760 rolling around in a car trying to get myself killed 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:14.880 for years. Might as well do it for science. Yeah, 1:08:15.000 --> 1:08:19.800 and I can fly alright, fuck, yeah, I'll be the 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:23.559 first one. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, I'll go on 1:08:23.600 --> 1:08:27.920 board this. You're any Chuck Yeager, he's still very, very 1:08:28.040 --> 1:08:30.639 very confident in old age. We're like, well, god, how 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:33.000 cocky was he when he was little? How could you 1:08:33.080 --> 1:08:35.720 not be being Chuck Yeager? Though? I think you accomplished 1:08:35.720 --> 1:08:37.400 a couple of things, and then you're just like, oh, 1:08:37.479 --> 1:08:40.160 I can do anything I want. And who's that Chuck Air? 1:08:40.280 --> 1:08:43.320 Oh yeah, go ahead, bigarette, just let him. Yeah you 1:08:43.320 --> 1:08:47.639 can smoke in the majorney Ward. So obviously the double 1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:50.719 blind this first double blind study showed that it didn't 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:53.920 the homeopathic medicine didn't do anything. So the first blind 1:08:53.920 --> 1:08:56.759 study worked. Yeah, it worked. Uh so Yeah, in eighteen 1:08:56.800 --> 1:08:58.799 thirty five, a bunch of dudes at a bar succeeded 1:08:58.840 --> 1:09:02.080 improving homeopathy was nonsense. But as I've said a number 1:09:02.080 --> 1:09:04.439 of times on this show, proof has never convinced anyone 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:08.960 of anything. Yeah, homeopathy is the oldest European example of 1:09:09.000 --> 1:09:11.840 what we now call c a M or complimentary and 1:09:11.920 --> 1:09:15.120 alternative medicine. That's a nice term used by professionals today 1:09:15.160 --> 1:09:17.280 to avoid hurting the feelings of people who truly believe 1:09:17.320 --> 1:09:19.960 crystals are going to heal their arthritis. The whole reason 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:22.720 a field of fundamentally unscientific ideas is treated this way 1:09:22.760 --> 1:09:25.599 traces back to Samuel Hahnman. Before his rise to prominence, 1:09:25.600 --> 1:09:28.400 medicine outside the mainstream without data behind it was just 1:09:28.439 --> 1:09:31.000 called quackery. Going to quote next from an article in 1:09:31.040 --> 1:09:34.280 the Royal Society of Medicine. Most of these pre eighteen 1:09:34.280 --> 1:09:37.160 fifty quacks tend to specialize. Some were bone setters, Others 1:09:37.160 --> 1:09:39.439 claim to cure of anereal disease without the use of mercury. 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:43.160 A doctor Taylor of Beverly and Gloucester arranged to attend 1:09:43.200 --> 1:09:45.840 regularly at three public houses, to which patients only had 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:47.400 to send in their urine, and he would tell at 1:09:47.400 --> 1:09:49.559 once whether they were curable or not. There were self 1:09:49.560 --> 1:09:52.280 siled Oculus, who is specialized in the treatment of cataract 1:09:52.320 --> 1:09:55.000 and curious of cancer without operation. One of the latter, 1:09:55.040 --> 1:09:57.880 calling himself the High German Doctor Simon, invited you to 1:09:57.960 --> 1:10:00.559 visit his house and see for yourself answer of the 1:10:00.640 --> 1:10:03.360 armpit of five pieces of twelve and one half ounces 1:10:03.400 --> 1:10:06.120 weight which he claimed to have removed. Most of these 1:10:06.160 --> 1:10:08.960 regulars were uneducated or even illiterate, and only a minority 1:10:09.000 --> 1:10:15.599 were full time healers, usually at regular jobs such as blacksmith, ferrier, grocer, butcher, cheesemonger, cobbler, 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:18.840 cutter or mechanic. They often claimed patronage of the Great 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:21.800 and Good Dr Scott's Billius and liver pills were used 1:10:21.800 --> 1:10:25.960 by the Dukes of Devonshire, Northumberland and Wellington, Anglesey and Hastings, 1:10:25.960 --> 1:10:28.920 and the Earls of Pembrooke, Essex and Oxford, while Dr 1:10:29.040 --> 1:10:32.000 Lampert at thirty six High Street, Boro, London, claimed to 1:10:32.120 --> 1:10:33.920 visit the world to do. In the West Indies, the 1:10:33.920 --> 1:10:38.680 Isles of Scilly London, Nottingham, Derby, Norwich, Lincoln, Boston, Gloucester, 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:42.719 wolfer Hampton, Litchfield, a bunch of British names, and forbidden 1:10:42.720 --> 1:10:45.040 measure almost every other town in the Kingdom. These are 1:10:45.040 --> 1:10:47.000 regulars had one thing in common. They had little if 1:10:47.040 --> 1:10:49.840 any interest in understanding of orthodox medicine in their time. 1:10:50.080 --> 1:10:54.719 I got time for fancy book learning. I'm doing magic 1:10:54.880 --> 1:10:57.200 and it's not always bad. Like the doctors who are like, oh, 1:10:57.240 --> 1:10:59.800 we can cure your VD without using mercury, Like they 1:11:00.000 --> 1:11:03.360 could hear people's STDs, but they weren't making it worse 1:11:03.360 --> 1:11:06.160 with mercury. You know that, you know what sucks worse 1:11:06.240 --> 1:11:10.800 than mercury. Yeah, And we're like, oh God, he would 1:11:10.800 --> 1:11:15.280 put mercy in your hole. Don't do that. Just yeah. 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:18.760 So things changed in the early nineteenth century, largely as 1:11:18.800 --> 1:11:21.960 a result of Samuel's work. Homeopathy gave quacks an ideology 1:11:22.000 --> 1:11:24.599 and a school of medicine to stand alongside. While old 1:11:24.600 --> 1:11:27.160 fashioned quacks would rarely visit the same town twice because 1:11:27.200 --> 1:11:30.320 they were fundamentally frauds, homeopaths would continue to practice in 1:11:30.320 --> 1:11:33.040 the same area for years, even decades. People at the 1:11:33.080 --> 1:11:37.120 time recognize this change. Quote an orthodox practitioner remarked the 1:11:37.160 --> 1:11:39.559 old fashioned quack with his farrago of receipts, who seldom 1:11:39.640 --> 1:11:41.720 visited the same neighborhood, but at very long intervals in 1:11:41.800 --> 1:11:44.639 order to avoid recognition. This class a practitioner is fast 1:11:44.640 --> 1:11:47.080 coming to a close. It was being replaced by literate 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:50.360 and educated empirics who read books. This remark signal the 1:11:50.400 --> 1:11:52.920 emergence of a new form of unorthodox medicine, which formed 1:11:52.920 --> 1:11:56.160 the basis of what is today called complimentary alternative medicine. 1:11:56.800 --> 1:11:59.200 This is where we get gooped from. You know, it 1:11:59.320 --> 1:12:01.840 used to be you were like a fringe medical person. 1:12:01.840 --> 1:12:04.519 You wouldn't you wouldn't stick around in town. You'd sell 1:12:04.560 --> 1:12:06.880 your snake on and get out. Because of Hanuman, these 1:12:06.880 --> 1:12:08.880 people established themselves. Is like no, no no, no, We're going 1:12:08.920 --> 1:12:10.720 to like set up offices and try to do like 1:12:10.760 --> 1:12:14.200 we see ourselves as legitimate practitioners and that is all 1:12:14.320 --> 1:12:20.120 really humans need is like a different subconsciously, we're like, 1:12:21.040 --> 1:12:24.400 it's like the marijuana doctor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like 1:12:24.439 --> 1:12:27.720 the marijuana doctors. Samuel Hanman and his wife lived out 1:12:27.760 --> 1:12:30.439 there last year's as popular socialites in France. The only 1:12:30.520 --> 1:12:32.680 hiccup in his golden ears came when his wife was 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:35.400 charged for practicing medicine without a license, but this does 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:37.559 not seem to have led to a significant penalty. He 1:12:37.640 --> 1:12:40.080 died a millionaire in eighteen forty three at the age 1:12:40.080 --> 1:12:45.439 of eighty nine, So good life for him. God, Yes, yeah, 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:47.840 that's a long ass way to live, because he drank 1:12:47.880 --> 1:12:51.720 all that water, stay and hydrated. He was rated, extremely hydrated, 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:56.240 the most hydrated man in this eighteen hundreds. Now. Hanman 1:12:56.320 --> 1:12:58.360 went to his grave believing that his decision to dose 1:12:58.439 --> 1:13:01.080 himself with china bark was a moment for human science 1:13:01.120 --> 1:13:03.519 on par with Newton being hit by an apple, and 1:13:03.560 --> 1:13:06.160 in some ways that is true. His violent reaction to 1:13:06.240 --> 1:13:09.400 quinine has forever altered the progress of medical science. Over 1:13:09.439 --> 1:13:13.120 the years, several medical professionals have tried, unsuccessfully to recreate 1:13:13.200 --> 1:13:16.200 his findings. One doctor who did so, representing the Board 1:13:16.240 --> 1:13:20.080 of Health, wrote, Chinchona, even in the preparation advocated by Hanman, 1:13:20.160 --> 1:13:23.080 did not cause fever in either healthy people or animals. 1:13:23.400 --> 1:13:25.599 This is a little weird, right. No one has ever 1:13:25.640 --> 1:13:28.960 been able to recreate the effects of Hanman's first groundbreaking experiment. 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:32.000 But during my research I did come across one fascinating 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:34.559 theory that might just explain this mystery. And Kiason on 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:37.680 how homeopathy was really started. I've found an article by 1:13:37.720 --> 1:13:41.040 Dr William me Thomas, a Melbourne based physician and medical historian. 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:44.439 He notes that quinine, the active ingredient in chinchona, is 1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:48.120 only toxic and higher doses than Hanman took. However, there 1:13:48.160 --> 1:13:51.080 are some people who are allergic to quina and the 1:13:51.200 --> 1:13:55.120 symptoms are startlingly similar to what Hanman himself reported. It 1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:58.160 can be concluded then that Hanman might have suffered from 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:01.800 an allergy to quinine, which means that the fundamental foundation 1:14:01.800 --> 1:14:05.040 of homeopathy, like the idea that like cures like, is 1:14:05.080 --> 1:14:07.240 based on the fact that Dr Hanman had a rare 1:14:07.280 --> 1:14:10.160 allergic reaction to quinine when he took this bark, which 1:14:10.280 --> 1:14:14.799 is just the most human yeah element of this whole thing. Yeah, 1:14:14.840 --> 1:14:21.400 it's it's it's very understandable. Yeah wow. Now, Billy Wayne 1:14:21.960 --> 1:14:25.920 side of of of who he's led in the Pandora's box, 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:28.280 that is what part two is going to be excited about. 1:14:28.280 --> 1:14:31.240 Who comes in here because Samuel Hanman an imperfect person 1:14:31.280 --> 1:14:34.160 you can criticize in some ways, not really a bastard, No, 1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:37.960 not really a bastard, just just a dude who made 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:41.400 some logical leaps that were not justified by the actual evidence, 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:43.519 but that are understandable in the context at the time, 1:14:43.680 --> 1:14:47.960 and then really just kind of took some uh confirmation 1:14:48.000 --> 1:14:51.439 bias after that, a lot of confirmation bias, young French wife. 1:14:51.600 --> 1:14:55.559 You know that's distracting. Yep, then it would be very distracted. 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:58.640 In part two, we are going to talk about some 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:01.720 of the actual bastards, the horrible harvest in corpses that 1:15:01.840 --> 1:15:05.519 is Samuel Henman's modern day legacy, So a lot of 1:15:05.560 --> 1:15:09.800 dead babies. In part two, of course, there is yeah, yeah, Now, 1:15:09.840 --> 1:15:13.040 Billy Wayne, I feel like the right way to break 1:15:13.120 --> 1:15:15.400 up this game of tennis we're gonna play. I think 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:17.320 we should go to five total points, and I think 1:15:17.400 --> 1:15:19.000 we should do the first two points at the end 1:15:19.000 --> 1:15:22.080 of this episode, and we will have the last three, 1:15:22.640 --> 1:15:28.080 assuming there's any pieces of this VHS state left. Yes, 1:15:28.160 --> 1:15:29.600 thank you, Sophie. So if he knows that when you 1:15:29.640 --> 1:15:32.599 grab a machette, you do it by the blade, that is, 1:15:34.080 --> 1:15:36.760 don't hurt Anderson. Please all right, Sophie, are you ready 1:15:36.800 --> 1:15:43.120 to ref Yeah? Okay, I thought it was Oh, I'm 1:15:43.120 --> 1:15:46.280 gonna serve first. Okay, Now, I don't know how to 1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:48.640 play tennis. I don't think. I don't think this is 1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:51.439 how to play tennis. Let's see, all right, I do 1:15:51.560 --> 1:15:53.120 know one thing, which is that I was supposed to 1:15:53.120 --> 1:15:56.560 say zero serving zero, Right, that's how it starts. Right, No, 1:15:56.720 --> 1:16:01.400 it's isn't it? Love? Love is no? Love is zero? 1:16:01.479 --> 1:16:05.400 Isn't it? It's it's it's I don't find I'm gonna 1:16:05.439 --> 1:16:07.840 throw the copy of basic instinct Well, I'm gonna try 1:16:07.840 --> 1:16:11.599 to hit it at you, hit it, hit it back, 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:19.360 all right, all right, all right, just get out of 1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:23.160 the way. I think what does that count as? I 1:16:23.200 --> 1:16:26.400 think that was a point? Hit the back, all right, 1:16:27.640 --> 1:16:32.280 Oh all right, it's it's one one. Your's this guy? 1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:40.200 I'm not good? Alright, alright, yeah, oh yeah, that was 1:16:40.200 --> 1:16:41.880 a good one. That was. It's holding up pretty well. 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:46.200 You gotta give a credit. Alright, mm hmm, all right, 1:16:47.680 --> 1:16:50.439 it's it's too too. We're tied. We're tied, and the 1:16:50.800 --> 1:16:54.519 deep the v of basic instincts holding up surprising pretty well. 1:16:55.040 --> 1:16:56.479 Let's take it out of its case. See how we're 1:16:58.200 --> 1:17:01.320 Oh no, it's been cut so much is it in there? 1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:03.559 It's now in there. Yeah. I think we actually wedged 1:17:03.600 --> 1:17:07.240 it into the paper. That's awesome. Nice job guys, Nice 1:17:07.320 --> 1:17:11.400 job Paul Barrovan, great director. Billy you want to plug 1:17:11.439 --> 1:17:14.880 your plug doubles? Yes, b w D tour dot com 1:17:15.200 --> 1:17:20.320 slash tours all my live dates. Um, I'm coming to Atlanta, Seattle, 1:17:20.479 --> 1:17:29.280 Portland's Eugene, Cincinnati, Huntington, West Virginia, uh Birmingham, Alabama. See 1:17:29.320 --> 1:17:33.479 Billy Wayne live. Come see us a variety of bladed instruments, 1:17:33.560 --> 1:17:37.120 I'm sure, um, and continue listening to this podcast and 1:17:37.240 --> 1:17:39.320 also find it on the internet behind the Bastards dot 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:42.679 com or at Bastards pod on Twitter and Instagram. There's 1:17:42.680 --> 1:17:47.240 also another podcast that exists by t shirts on public. 1:17:47.560 --> 1:17:49.760 What's that podcast called? Oh, it's called the Worst Year 1:17:49.800 --> 1:17:53.479 Ever and it's about politics. Wow, that sounds so dumb 1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:58.240 dumb dum dum dum dum dum dum. Anyway, tune in 1:17:58.560 --> 1:18:02.080 on Thursday to see who wins the game of what 1:18:02.280 --> 1:18:05.840 is definitely not tennis, not tennis, not at all. No, No, 1:18:06.040 --> 1:18:11.639 Anderson's were harmed in the making of this podcast. I'd 1:18:11.680 --> 1:18:15.840 just say I can't guarantee I can How do we 1:18:15.920 --> 1:18:18.840 like this thing? No? Robert, we're not likeing on first