Speaker 1: What's absent my Machete's I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind the Bastards,
Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk about the worst people in
Speaker 1: all of history. And today is a very sad day
Speaker 1: because we've been kicked out of our regular recording studio
Speaker 1: um by by an unnamed person and we forgot to
Speaker 1: get the machete out. Uh, and I am very sad.
Speaker 1: S s. Sophie As is my guest today, Mr Billy
Speaker 1: Wayne David As. Hello, I'm it's not it's in the building,
Speaker 1: so we're in the building. It's not like it's we
Speaker 1: left it at home, which would be like that's a bummer,
Speaker 1: that would be tragic. That's why that's the dedicated pot
Speaker 1: cast machete. That makes sense. And then you guys, Robert
Speaker 1: giving me the best gift. It's just it's a tactical
Speaker 1: Can I say the brand? Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, gerber
Speaker 1: I was very excited about that, which is a Portland's
Speaker 1: USA made knife. It just now described the thing I've
Speaker 1: already forgot exactly. Yeah. It's a it's designed as a
Speaker 1: survival knife. So the hilt is made out of a
Speaker 1: glass composite, which the purpose of that is so that
Speaker 1: if you're in a in a vehicle that crashes, or
Speaker 1: in an airplane that's crashed. It was originally designed for pilots.
Speaker 1: You can cut your way out of the plane without
Speaker 1: electrocuting yourself if you had a live wire um And
Speaker 1: there's also a big glass breaking thing on the hill.
Speaker 1: It's a solid knife. It just in It feels good
Speaker 1: in the hand. Like a lot of these knives like this,
Speaker 1: they're they're not. There's a lot of different kinds of knives.
Speaker 1: And that's a metal stabbing knife, which is a special
Speaker 1: kind of knife. Yeah, it's a knife that's meant for
Speaker 1: going into what is essentially other knives. It's got that
Speaker 1: thing that a good knife has where you're like, I
Speaker 1: don't want someone to come at me now. And what
Speaker 1: I what I like about that is because I don't
Speaker 1: want to give someone a nice knife and not give
Speaker 1: them a reason to use it. So once we get
Speaker 1: the machete out of the room, I have something else
Speaker 1: that I found. Well, I was up. I found a
Speaker 1: VHS copy of Basic Instinct by Paul Verhoeven, the original
Speaker 1: director's cut with a fake signature by Paul Verhoven. Inside
Speaker 1: the cover of the VHS tape. I found it by
Speaker 1: a trash pile. He's sincere he wrote that, he sincerely
Speaker 1: wrote that he really did. And just so people know this,
Speaker 1: this VHS copy is the wide screen letter box edition
Speaker 1: that's critical includes the theatrical trailer too hot to be
Speaker 1: shown in movie houses. And I figured, what we do
Speaker 1: once we get a criterion collection, the Criterion collection it
Speaker 1: really see it, see it the way it was meant
Speaker 1: to be on a VHS that's been hanging out near
Speaker 1: a down on a TV that's got in a box.
Speaker 1: Still smells a little bit like trash, but it's in
Speaker 1: incredible shape, really incredible shape considering what it is. And
Speaker 1: did you fly from with it? Yes, I flew. I
Speaker 1: flew with it because I knew that this was the
Speaker 1: only acceptable thing for us to use in a game
Speaker 1: of tennis. Now, Billy, I don't know how to play tennis,
Speaker 1: but I know it involves two people with stick shaped
Speaker 1: things batting an object in between them. So I figured
Speaker 1: I'd use machette, you'd use the knife, and we'd have
Speaker 1: us a game of tennis over this recording space. This
Speaker 1: is like a white trash version. Yes, Sophie can be
Speaker 1: the ump that it's not what it's called. But what
Speaker 1: is it called in tennis? I think an umpire in tennis,
Speaker 1: I don't know official. I don't think up is it.
Speaker 1: So if he's going to look up what it's actually
Speaker 1: called is if tennis has played with a copy of
Speaker 1: Basic Instinct in two nine, it's like a judge involved
Speaker 1: line Judge, I don't know. I'm okay with all this.
Speaker 1: I don't know about tennis Empire, but it'll be fun
Speaker 1: to hit. Now there's gonna be a lot of plastic
Speaker 1: shards and we don't have by protection. Maybe it's an
Speaker 1: official I've seen in three different they serve as the
Speaker 1: oh no, oh no. I would like the title of
Speaker 1: chief umpire, which is apparently a thing. Okay, So so
Speaker 1: if he's going to be the chief Empire, Billy Wayne
Speaker 1: will be taking on the role of Ratro Federer tennis
Speaker 1: guy nailed, and I will be taking on the role
Speaker 1: of Serena Williams. That's nailed it. That's a big shoes
Speaker 1: to feel. Those are the only tennis players I can name.
Speaker 1: And I was not sure about Federer. I thought there
Speaker 1: was a fifty chance he always go to the agazy
Speaker 1: that he hasn't played Andre Agassy. You're right, that's a name. Then, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's bald. He kind of went with it. What is
Speaker 1: the really angry name? John McEnroe. John McEnroe. He's pretty
Speaker 1: funny too. I don't know any of these people. What
Speaker 1: I do know is that we're gonna have a lot
Speaker 1: of fun once we get our machete. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna hold a knife the whole show now, Billy Wayne,
Speaker 1: because you're here as the guest, I think everyone can
Speaker 1: know what that means, and it means that we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about a fake doctor, or in this case,
Speaker 1: a lot of fake doctors. Oh yeah, yeah, see today,
Speaker 1: Billy Wayne, We're not just talking about a fake doctor.
Speaker 1: Our subject this week might well be the king of
Speaker 1: all fake doctors. Do you know the name Samuel Hanman. No,
Speaker 1: I'm excited about. Well, he is the man who invented homeopathy. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where we're going. He's largely responsible for the birth
Speaker 1: of what's called alternative medicine UM and surprising, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure he qualifies as a bastard. So we're gonna get
Speaker 1: into him part one and then part two. We will
Speaker 1: definitely be talking about some bastards. Would he be Can
Speaker 1: I predict he might be a bastard because he opened
Speaker 1: a certain door for other bastards. Yeah, I think he meant. Well,
Speaker 1: that's like it's like manslaughter of bastards, if that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you funked up, but not on purpose, but it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's like those in the South, large chunks of the
Speaker 1: South in Texas, and I think also in Louisiana. I
Speaker 1: know they have they have a drive through liquor stores
Speaker 1: and you're not supposed to drink and drive, but a
Speaker 1: lot of people do because it's a drive through liquors.
Speaker 1: Didn't get of your truck. Yeah, you don't even have
Speaker 1: to get out of your truck. He's like the drive
Speaker 1: through liquor store of medicine, where you can say, maybe
Speaker 1: he just wanted to make the process of buying liquor
Speaker 1: more convenient. But as a result, a lot of people
Speaker 1: rammed pedestrians. They had to fix a lot of fences
Speaker 1: because of that man. Where a lot of problems. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I got you, I got Yeah, he's the no you
Speaker 1: put a piece of tape over the straw, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: Then it's not an open container. Straw. We fixed it.
Speaker 1: People may not know that, but you can buy Margarita's
Speaker 1: in your car if there's tape over the straw. And
Speaker 1: Dacories are the big one in Louisiana. Oh god, just
Speaker 1: a thirty two I don't styrofoam cup full of peer
Speaker 1: Grain alcohol, peer Grain alcohol and a slushy and then
Speaker 1: they hand it to you with tape over it and
Speaker 1: the right don't don't move that, don't do what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. Yeah, wink uh. It has always been my dream.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll ever move back to the South
Speaker 1: because I hate the weather, but if I did, I
Speaker 1: would love to operate a combination gun store drive through
Speaker 1: liquor store. I mean, yeah, why not just push it
Speaker 1: go all the way and you're like, well, if you
Speaker 1: buy two dacories, you get a gun, and if you
Speaker 1: buy two guns, you get four store or one for
Speaker 1: you KEI it did you get tuned in? Your wife
Speaker 1: gets one? And ideally we also opened a pharmacy, so
Speaker 1: it's like a pill mill drive through liquor shop, gun store.
Speaker 1: I mean that's one of Like. As my grandpa was
Speaker 1: on his way out, he said, we were talking one
Speaker 1: time and He's like, fight had it, dude, over again. Pharmacy.
Speaker 1: That's what you own, pharmacy. And I was like, that
Speaker 1: is a good point, Grandpa. That's a that's solid grandfather.
Speaker 1: That is sounds like that's a good point. It's too
Speaker 1: late for me. But one day, Billy Wayne, one day
Speaker 1: you'll start that pharmacy. Pharmacy. So I guess we should
Speaker 1: get into the story now. Christian Friedrich Samuel Hanman was
Speaker 1: born on April tenth, seventeen fifty five, in the city
Speaker 1: of Mason, which I'm probably mispronouncing. One of his modern
Speaker 1: day followers says that it was quote so close to
Speaker 1: midnight that there is debate as to the date. His
Speaker 1: church apparently registered his birthday as the eleventh, but he
Speaker 1: celebrated it on the tenth. This website, which is like
Speaker 1: a homeopathic fan site for Samuel Hahneman, notes, as the
Speaker 1: story of his life unfolds, this is a pertinent fact
Speaker 1: to bear in mind because arguably it sets a pattern
Speaker 1: that continued throughout. I actually have no idea what they
Speaker 1: mean by this, but he's inconsistent that that. No. I
Speaker 1: think they're positive. I think they're saying that, like the
Speaker 1: authorities said, that like, this is his birthday, but he
Speaker 1: like said it was a different day. He's like, I
Speaker 1: know better, I know exactly. I think that's what they're
Speaker 1: getting at. But it's very silly. Right now you're born here.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, as I remember in the right, you
Speaker 1: really fuck that up. I would celebrate both days. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think people got presents back then.
Speaker 1: I think they just got cholera. It's your birthday. Shoot
Speaker 1: yourself to death. Classic German seventeen hundreds birthday. Samuel was
Speaker 1: a weak and sickly child. He was christened on the
Speaker 1: of the month, like two days after his birth, out
Speaker 1: of the expectation that he would die soon and so
Speaker 1: he needed a name before he went to heaven or hell.
Speaker 1: I think babies went to hell at that point. But
Speaker 1: alas Samuel grew stronger and gradually it became clear that
Speaker 1: he would in fact survive being a baby. Samuel was
Speaker 1: one year old when the Seven Year War broke out,
Speaker 1: a slap fight between Prussia and Austria for Silesia, all
Speaker 1: of which is basically considered Germany to Americans today. Uh.
Speaker 1: This war had a disasterus impact on the porcelain and
Speaker 1: cloth trades, and since Samuel's dad made his living as
Speaker 1: a porcelain painter, the family finances took a real hit.
Speaker 1: He was educated at home, which was not particularly uncommon
Speaker 1: or any kind of statement at the time. That homeopathic
Speaker 1: fan Girl website. I found on this note that Samuel's father,
Speaker 1: Christian Quote, sometimes locked his son up with a problem
Speaker 1: when he went to work, expecting him to have solved
Speaker 1: it or to have some insight into it by the
Speaker 1: time he got back. Now that's a that's a frugal babysitter.
Speaker 1: Just get a problem in the lock him in a room.
Speaker 1: What's the answer? Hell, I don't know. Yeah. Her A
Speaker 1: depiction of it makes it seem like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: like how you raise a genius baby. Uh yeah. I
Speaker 1: found another depiction of this parenting practice in a nineteen
Speaker 1: hundred biography of Samuel that does make it sound a
Speaker 1: lot shadier. Yeah, it sounds like, Yeah, it's like a
Speaker 1: he'll billy'll be like, well, you gotta TV, don't you.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go watch it and we're gonna go turn
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, you hear noises, turn it up, put
Speaker 1: him in from the shiney boss. It'll be good. Handman's father,
Speaker 1: before going to the factory, used frequently to lock his
Speaker 1: son in a room, close the shutters, and give him
Speaker 1: a difficult sentence to ponder over of which he had
Speaker 1: to give an account on his father's return. This contributed
Speaker 1: to making the son an original thinker. I think that's
Speaker 1: what Trump does every morning on Twitter, is he just
Speaker 1: gives us a difficult sentence, and all day we're like,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? What does that mean? Why did
Speaker 1: he capitalize the letters? He cap That doesn't make any sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just trying to raise us, like Samuel Hanman's father. Now,
Speaker 1: once he was older and the family fortunes had recovered somewhat,
Speaker 1: Samuel was allowed to go to the local elementary school.
Speaker 1: His teacher, Johann Mueller, recognized him as a uniquely brilliant pupil.
Speaker 1: Alas for Samuel, his father pulled him out of school
Speaker 1: at aged fifteen, reasoning that he'd spent more than enough
Speaker 1: time learning and it was well passed time for him
Speaker 1: to get a full time gig. In fairness to Christian,
Speaker 1: you were legally an adult age fourteen in that part
Speaker 1: of the world at that time, So Samuel really got
Speaker 1: a whole extra year of childhood. Yeah, kind of luxury
Speaker 1: childhood there, so that's good for him. Christian set his
Speaker 1: son up with a job at a grocery store in Leipzig.
Speaker 1: Samuel did the job for a while, but he grew
Speaker 1: tired of it quickly and was convinced that the world
Speaker 1: had something greater in store for him, so he ran
Speaker 1: away from home the sort of. He actually just ran
Speaker 1: away from his dad and his job and had his
Speaker 1: mom hied him while he worked up the courage to
Speaker 1: confront his father about the fact that he wanted to
Speaker 1: go back to school. Where she hid him. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's not really specific about that. I'm guessing a closet
Speaker 1: just like in the house still I think so, or
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, they had some money so she might have
Speaker 1: like rented him a room or something, Yeah, like a
Speaker 1: storage place it Yeah, what an inn and like tell
Speaker 1: the dad that he ran away. Yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: was an issue of the way it's I've read it
Speaker 1: is that like she hit him because she wasn't going
Speaker 1: to go to bat for her kid against her father,
Speaker 1: because you don't do that. I understand that Germany basically
Speaker 1: Germany essentially Germany and um, but At the same time,
Speaker 1: he didn't like he had to work up the courage
Speaker 1: to like tell his dad, I don't want to work
Speaker 1: at a grocery store. I want to finish school and
Speaker 1: be an educated man. I understand now. It was more
Speaker 1: of like, neither of us want to get whacked my
Speaker 1: dad yet, because okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So eventually Samuel
Speaker 1: did confront his father, and he was apparently successful in
Speaker 1: convincing him that he should be allowed to go to
Speaker 1: grammar school. She just sent him to a box and
Speaker 1: ring because I just learned to take a punch, and
Speaker 1: then you can tell him you're gonna have to let
Speaker 1: your dad hit you. He's gonna hit you. He's gonna
Speaker 1: hit you a lot, So just get used to just
Speaker 1: learn how to take that. You talk to dad, he's
Speaker 1: gonna throw a couple of punches, just just just to
Speaker 1: keep him at himself. He enjoys it. It's it's you know,
Speaker 1: you get back. He gets back from work, he's been
Speaker 1: punched all day. He's going to throw a couple of pups.
Speaker 1: Watches left. It's better than you think, huh. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: Samuel went to a grammar school. He studied science and
Speaker 1: languages and he wrote a dissertation on the structure of
Speaker 1: the human hand. He was quite successful during this period,
Speaker 1: and he earned himself admission into Leipzig University to pursue
Speaker 1: a medical degree, but his course of studies was exhausting,
Speaker 1: and he would later write that it convinced him young
Speaker 1: people should not be allowed to go to school. Quote
Speaker 1: from Samuel mental exertion and study are unnatural occupations for
Speaker 1: young people whose bodily development is not yet complete, especially
Speaker 1: for those who are endowed with sensitive feelings. This nearly
Speaker 1: cost me my life during the period from fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty years old. I can't pretty progressive thinking man board
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, that's just yeah, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty, just throw him in the woods. We
Speaker 1: should have a big field for him. I kind of
Speaker 1: like that idea. I've always been a big advocate of
Speaker 1: once kids get old enough to talk back, just driving
Speaker 1: them into a field and leaving them there. I think
Speaker 1: they get feral, and then we'd have they were they're
Speaker 1: smarter than we think though. Yeah, you're right, it would
Speaker 1: be like a hog problem and would happen way quicker
Speaker 1: than we want to think it would. Yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it's like the wild boars. Yeah, that's what would happen.
Speaker 1: They'd grow tusk. You'd have to kill them with drones.
Speaker 1: I guess there's no perfect solution to teenagers. No, no,
Speaker 1: you just watch them and hope they don't team up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope they don't team up. The good thing is
Speaker 1: they'll throw each other under the bus because they're so horny. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is that they're trying to suck the bus. It
Speaker 1: is weird to think like that. Thank god they're horny. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thank god they're too horny to be smart. Yes, we'd
Speaker 1: have a problem with all that energy they got. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'd have to be like, well, we do wars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's we just do a war every couple of years.
Speaker 1: It is. That was a nicer era in warfare, back
Speaker 1: when like most of them were just like, we gotta
Speaker 1: do something with all these fucking teenagers. Yeah, they give them,
Speaker 1: give them guns, Put the dumbest ones in the front,
Speaker 1: and then let him walk towards each other. Let him
Speaker 1: walk towards each other until they're tired, until we got
Speaker 1: the best ones, the smart ones. Dune at age nineteen
Speaker 1: and seventeen seventy four, a penniless. Samuel Hahnman left Masin
Speaker 1: to go to Leipzig. He worked as a translator to
Speaker 1: make in his meat. Depending on which source you read,
Speaker 1: he was either incredibly good at this, a brilliant linguist
Speaker 1: in great demand, or he was completely mediocre and he
Speaker 1: barely succeeded in an avoiding object poverty. I found like
Speaker 1: five different variations of how this period of his life went.
Speaker 1: I don't know which is accurate, maybe none of them.
Speaker 1: One thing they all seemed to agree on is that
Speaker 1: during his years studying theoretical medicine, which was the degree
Speaker 1: program track he was on, he became disillusioned with the
Speaker 1: medical establishment, which is understandable of the medical establishment in
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy four. Yeah, a lot of leeches, A lot
Speaker 1: of leeches, a lot of poison. Yeah yeah, the cocaine.
Speaker 1: That's a real medicine. Billy, right, I have some friends
Speaker 1: that will agree with you. Good for what ail now.
Speaker 1: The pro homeopathy biography of Hanman I found is written
Speaker 1: by someone called Sheila. That's the only name she's given
Speaker 1: on the site, and she's a British homeopath whose website
Speaker 1: links back to a website about how autism isn't real.
Speaker 1: So just so we're aware of this particular source. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: what is it autism? If it's not real? I think
Speaker 1: it's a bacterial infection. I don't know. There's a bunch
Speaker 1: of crazy theories about that. It's like the bleached people.
Speaker 1: I do feel like she's one of the bleached people.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, that's the thing where I know better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: quote from Sheila the Homeopath. He paid for his studies
Speaker 1: by teaching German and French and by translating Greek in
Speaker 1: English into German for better off students. Help came from
Speaker 1: an anonymous benefactor in Mason, who paid for some of
Speaker 1: the lectures. It is in Leipzig that the seeds of
Speaker 1: Samuel's discontent with the medical profession of the time were
Speaker 1: sown because he was not satisfied with some of the
Speaker 1: lectures and attended them only selectively. He was also unhappy
Speaker 1: with the lack of practical facilities. That's the positive homeopathy
Speaker 1: version of this is that he just he he realizes
Speaker 1: that medicine at the time is flawed, and he he
Speaker 1: doesn't like attending all of his lectures, which you could
Speaker 1: also write is just like him being a bad student
Speaker 1: that was gonna say something it's hard to listen and
Speaker 1: stuff like that it is, and then to be justified
Speaker 1: with like, I just this, you guys are wrong. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fix medicine. I mean, I will say even a
Speaker 1: stop clock is right every couple of centuries, and in
Speaker 1: this case, ignoring mainstream medical lectures was was a good idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, like, don't you have to
Speaker 1: learn what's wrong? But if you're learning what's wrong and
Speaker 1: they're telling you what's right, that might not be good either.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a weird This is a weird story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to get confusing. Yeah, morally, the second part
Speaker 1: is just going to be bastards all the way down.
Speaker 1: So but but first we gotta get muddy waters and
Speaker 1: not the good kind of muddy waters. He just feels
Speaker 1: like I understand in that feeling. I mean in college,
Speaker 1: because there was a part of me that like, a
Speaker 1: lot of this feels like a scam. Yeah, like why
Speaker 1: do I have to take bowling? Yeah? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I was like, and then the business
Speaker 1: side of my major mostly was a communications but the
Speaker 1: business side was like just prepping everyone to work at
Speaker 1: a corporation, and I was already like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do that, And all my teachers are like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean. That's with the money, that's how
Speaker 1: you make mons. I'm gonna make my money. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't want people giving me I don't want to
Speaker 1: have to depend on that, and you're making robots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just made me so I understand what he's thinking.
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, yeah, some of this, Like if I
Speaker 1: was gonna be a like a scientist, this makes sense,
Speaker 1: or a lawyer. But I learned more about business that
Speaker 1: the ups store than any of you fuckers have taught me.
Speaker 1: I learned more about business hanging out with my friends
Speaker 1: who sold weed than I ever learned in college, and
Speaker 1: more practical stuff about business, like how to replace the
Speaker 1: air bag in your car's steering wheel with a bag
Speaker 1: of marijuana. It's a good place to hide it. That's
Speaker 1: a free tip for everybody out there still living in
Speaker 1: one of the states where it's illegal. M Sofie, are
Speaker 1: we allowed to give people tips on drug smuggling? Sophie
Speaker 1: is making a gesture that I cannot interpret through it.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna plug my airs so she's just gonna
Speaker 1: plug her Okay, also hide drugs up your butt. Both work.
Speaker 1: Now back to uh, back to Samuel Hanman. Um So,
Speaker 1: I just read kind of the pro Samuel Hanman as
Speaker 1: the founder of the most valuable medical revelation in the
Speaker 1: history of the world, that that's that angle on it.
Speaker 1: I've found a very different account of this period in
Speaker 1: his life and an article written for the American Council
Speaker 1: on Science and Health a five oh one c three
Speaker 1: established in nineteen to promote evidence based science and medicine.
Speaker 1: Here's what they say. Although he tried to earn money
Speaker 1: as a translator, making in meat was very difficult for him.
Speaker 1: On the brink of starvation, he was introduced to an
Speaker 1: opulent Transylvanian baron, Samuel Brookenhal, the head of the Madgeburg
Speaker 1: Freemason's Lodge. Hanman was initiated into the lodge in hermann Stott, Transylvania,
Speaker 1: in October seventeen seventy seven. He quickly came to esteem
Speaker 1: the many tinerant teachers of mysteries who were indoctrinating the
Speaker 1: lodges in such matters as alchemy and spiritism. In Samuel
Speaker 1: Hanman his life and work. Richard Hale hinted at the
Speaker 1: depth of Hanman's involvement in the Lodge. He advanced beyond
Speaker 1: vitalism and the naturalism of Shelling, and hegel to spiritism
Speaker 1: and for a while lost his way in occultism. In
Speaker 1: Life and Letters of Samuel Hanman, Thomas Bradford gave a
Speaker 1: much less guarded account of the time Hanman spent in
Speaker 1: the service of har Brookeenthal. It was in these quiet,
Speaker 1: scholarly days that Hanman acquired that extensive and diverse knowledge
Speaker 1: of ancient literature and of occult sciences, which he afterwards
Speaker 1: proved himself to be a master. So he learned magic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he learned magic. The homeopaths like to be like. No,
Speaker 1: he just spent so much time in lectures that he
Speaker 1: realized what was wrong with the medical establishment and then
Speaker 1: the other version of the a is nah. He went
Speaker 1: to work for a wizard in the learned magic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he went to like a secret society for powerful dudes
Speaker 1: who also believe in some bullshit because they were they
Speaker 1: were blessed with certain opportunities that other people were Instead
Speaker 1: of realizing that, they thought they were fucking special and
Speaker 1: new magic, and they like to dress up in the costumes.
Speaker 1: Rituals are fun because they didn't have TV or a
Speaker 1: lot of books. Rituals are fun, like the ritual of
Speaker 1: batting this copy of base against That's why you're supposed
Speaker 1: to find it magic. Magic it is you know what
Speaker 1: else is magic? Billy Wayne m capitalism. Capitalism is like magic,
Speaker 1: like magic. Uh. It transmutes a podcast that is free
Speaker 1: into money for me. It's good. It's good. See, nobody
Speaker 1: can explain that. Nobody knows how that works. Us service.
Speaker 1: We're back and we're furious. I want we want the machete.
Speaker 1: So easy episode. It just feels like our episode is
Speaker 1: like it could be one thing and it's going to
Speaker 1: be another thing. This is like a well you you
Speaker 1: brought that VHS from I brought it from from the
Speaker 1: city's name that we will bleep out, Oh you don't
Speaker 1: want people to know where you live. It's a little
Speaker 1: we would be quite about a little bit. It's not
Speaker 1: all people where he lives. A solid point. You brought that.
Speaker 1: Let's take that back across the country, across the country,
Speaker 1: across the nation with this old VHS copy of Basic Instinct.
Speaker 1: It's in great it's in great ship does have an odor,
Speaker 1: but that's fine. And it has a fake signature that
Speaker 1: might funny. Yeah, there's no way to know. Um, we're
Speaker 1: still sulfur. We're still waiting for the podcast. I'm going
Speaker 1: to go get it machete. Sophie's going to break in throom.
Speaker 1: Do you need two knives? Yeah, you got it. We
Speaker 1: got it. We're back, We're back, and we have just
Speaker 1: we have liberated the podcasting God damn it. We are
Speaker 1: a fucking duo are We liberated the podcasting machete from
Speaker 1: an unnamed other podcast that was recording, which is very
Speaker 1: bad to do normally, but when it was an emergency.
Speaker 1: Now we have both the machete and the Billy Wayne
Speaker 1: Davis dagger on the table. This thing is dope. We're
Speaker 1: ready to play. By the way that that sheath has
Speaker 1: a sharpener in it right in the middle. I mean,
Speaker 1: so you take that, you take that strap out. You're
Speaker 1: in the field, off the land. Use my little gerber now,
Speaker 1: I use my little spider cat. Last night when we
Speaker 1: were eating steak, but this would have immediately like you
Speaker 1: could kill a wild cow with that. There were wild
Speaker 1: cows all over the current. That could have been you
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of us. I'm very proud of us.
Speaker 1: That was a beautiful like tag team mothers on mission
Speaker 1: that just went really well, really well. We we liberated
Speaker 1: our machete for the from the fearsome name bleeped, and
Speaker 1: uh it was great, very fearsome, very fearsome name bleeped,
Speaker 1: very fearsome name bleeped. Anyway, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: this podcast. Welcome, welcome, welcome. So um, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a good mission, you guys. Yeah. So the evidence I
Speaker 1: found makes it seem that, like Samuel Hahnman's, the kind
Speaker 1: of ideas that would eventually turn into homeopathy were more
Speaker 1: rooted in the occult stuff he learned when he was
Speaker 1: with the Masons than the stuff he learned in actual
Speaker 1: medical school. And the ironic thing is that this wasn't
Speaker 1: really a bad thing. That's what I was going to
Speaker 1: say that there is that part like he's like he's
Speaker 1: learned the placebo effect of yeah, medicine and people's mental
Speaker 1: capacity of stuff. Yeah, y. In the seventeen hundreds, medicine
Speaker 1: was mostly dangerous nonsense. Um as this nineteen seventy right
Speaker 1: up on homeopathy from the University of Washington makes pretty clear.
Speaker 1: It's people dumber than Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies. We're
Speaker 1: pretending to be doctors. Granny knew some ship the point
Speaker 1: and a couple of herbs that did some things. That's
Speaker 1: the point of exact. People dumber than Granny. People dumber
Speaker 1: than Granny. Yeah, Granny was a drunk. Was a drunk.
Speaker 1: In the first decades of the nineteenth century, medical therapy
Speaker 1: consisted mainly in bleeding, purging, vomiting, the application of leeches
Speaker 1: in the ingestion of an array of powerful chemical drugs.
Speaker 1: Their combined effect was often greatly debilitating and toxic to patients.
Speaker 1: The prevailing therapeutical confusion alternated in action, doing little while
Speaker 1: waiting for the so called healing powers of nature to
Speaker 1: take over, with aggressiveness plunging patients into acute anemias and
Speaker 1: loss of bodily fluids through the use of so called
Speaker 1: depleting methods inherited from earlier times. So that's medicine inherited, inherited. Yeah.
Speaker 1: After four semesters in medical school in seventeen seventy seven,
Speaker 1: Samuel will move to Vienna and spent three months working
Speaker 1: with a doctor Kuarin the personal doctor for Impress Maria Theresia.
Speaker 1: The good Doctor did not charge Samuel for his tutelage,
Speaker 1: but sam was still chronically short of cash. Thankfully, Doctor
Speaker 1: Kuarin introduced him to the Governor of Transylvania, who offered
Speaker 1: him a gig as his family physician. At least that's
Speaker 1: what she live the homeopath says. The University of Washington,
Speaker 1: by contrast, claims his main job was working as the
Speaker 1: governor's library assistant and organizing his coin collection. So again,
Speaker 1: the homeopaths like, ah, he worked as the personal doctor
Speaker 1: to the Governor of Transylvania, And the more historical sources
Speaker 1: I found say that, like, no, he organized a coin collection.
Speaker 1: So she is taking his whole She very takes him,
Speaker 1: very seriously. She's a homeopath. Well she's doing what he's doing,
Speaker 1: which is like, I know what you said, but I
Speaker 1: know a little better. I know a little bit better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's kind of he gets the game, she gets
Speaker 1: the gig. She has some interesting takes on autism too
Speaker 1: for you, but I don't want to know those. In
Speaker 1: the seventeen seventy nine, Samuel grew tired of organizing coins.
Speaker 1: He moved to er Langen and attended that university where
Speaker 1: he finished his medical degree. After his graduation, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: step ahead of most, step ahead of he did most
Speaker 1: of the doctors that we talked about. He got a
Speaker 1: medical he got the degree. So we're okay, you see
Speaker 1: where this is getting murky. Time for him to move
Speaker 1: to Mexico, jerking off in val after his graduation. Samuelill
Speaker 1: spent the years between seventeen and seventy nine and seventeen
Speaker 1: eighty five. Is a nomadic wanderer, moving more than a
Speaker 1: dozen times to different towns and cities in Germany. He
Speaker 1: grew interested in chemistry in Dessow, largely because he started
Speaker 1: fucking the town apothecary's daughter. According to the University of Watching,
Speaker 1: her name was chemistry, where her name was chemistry according
Speaker 1: to the University of Washington quote. His gradual alienation from
Speaker 1: contemporary medicine and medical practices emerged during his stay in
Speaker 1: the town of Gern. He was severely critical of the
Speaker 1: deplorable conditions in a nearby asylum for the insane. In
Speaker 1: five he became a health officer for the city of Dresden,
Speaker 1: where for long years he aroused only hostility and contempt
Speaker 1: from physicians and apothecary. He's get away yeah and again,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of in the right, like he sees
Speaker 1: how fund up medicine isn't He gets piste at it.
Speaker 1: That does seem to be true. That like at this
Speaker 1: point as a working doctor, he's like, things are wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is you're not They keep coming back. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not what we want. Yeah, that's not what we want.
Speaker 1: But lucky ones come back. The unlucky ones just die
Speaker 1: in the hole that we put them in, in the
Speaker 1: sick person hole. And he's like, well, I'm also the undertaker,
Speaker 1: so I'm doing all right. Yeah. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of those doctor undertakers. Doctor Undertaker and Dr Barber were
Speaker 1: probably the two most common doctor mash up jobs. My
Speaker 1: goal was to be a doctor bartender. I think that's
Speaker 1: a good goal. It's a golf pro doctor. Golf pro doctor,
Speaker 1: and be a good one. The reason for Hanmann's ostracization
Speaker 1: from the medical mainstream community had a lot to do
Speaker 1: with his first ration over how patients were treated by doctors.
Speaker 1: The physicians of his day focused entirely on understanding the
Speaker 1: nature of illness. Patients were treated more as collections of
Speaker 1: symptoms than human beings, and Samuel became an advocate of
Speaker 1: a more whole person focused approach to treating patients, which
Speaker 1: he believed would yield better results. And he's not wrong.
Speaker 1: He's not wrong. It's it's interesting because he's not he's
Speaker 1: not wrong, and that that makes for a better experience
Speaker 1: for the patient and that can have a positive impact
Speaker 1: on treating them. Um. There's also an argument to be
Speaker 1: made that like all these years of doctors just focusing
Speaker 1: on the symptoms and like basically just like trying to
Speaker 1: figure out why people were dying and then cutting them
Speaker 1: up after they died was necessary to figure out how
Speaker 1: to perform medicine more effectively, Like you kind of needed
Speaker 1: those kind of crappy centuries. Um, so it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's like, well, all we know about pregnant ladies and pregnancy.
Speaker 1: The Nazis did all the experimentations, Like when we went
Speaker 1: in and we're like, hey, we found those files and
Speaker 1: we're like, hey, you shouldn't have done this, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna here. That's that's a bit of a myth. There
Speaker 1: were a couple of things that were found out by it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they like most of the not Like, there
Speaker 1: was some useful stuff that was discovered in like the
Speaker 1: horrible experiments that were carried on concentration camps, but the
Speaker 1: vast majority of it was nonsense. Was just like injecting
Speaker 1: dies into twins eyeballs to see if it changed the
Speaker 1: other twins eye. Like for every legitimate thing they discovered, um,
Speaker 1: there were like ten things that were like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: didn't need to even test this. We all could have
Speaker 1: told you you're not going to change one twin by
Speaker 1: shooting poison into the other. But now we know, now
Speaker 1: we know it is. It isn't they're bad guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah we are. Yeah yeah, but we found a group
Speaker 1: of us. Well do a whole Well, we'll have you
Speaker 1: here for the episode of Nazi Doctors. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a fun episode of the show. Good God, Sophie's gonna
Speaker 1: love it because we get to make a lot of
Speaker 1: Sophie's choice jokes. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah sure sure. So.
Speaker 1: In seventeen ninety, while working in Dresden, Hanman got up
Speaker 1: to some work translating an old manuscript about Chinchona bark
Speaker 1: also called China bark, which was known to be an
Speaker 1: effective treatment from malarial fever. Unlike most treatments at the time,
Speaker 1: Chinchona bark absolutely did work. The leading theory as to
Speaker 1: why was that the substance was an astringent, But this
Speaker 1: reasoning didn't smell right to Hanman. He had tried out
Speaker 1: substances far more astringent than Shinchona bark on fever patients
Speaker 1: and did not have any effect. Uh. The actual reason
Speaker 1: that Jinchona bark worked on fevers is that it had
Speaker 1: quinine in it, which is like an actual medicine and
Speaker 1: of things that get people from hilaria. So like, obviously
Speaker 1: Chinchona bark helps with malarial fever. Um. So they knew
Speaker 1: that this thing worked, and they were right that had
Speaker 1: helped with fevers. They just didn't know why the thing
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, And and Hanman was right in that
Speaker 1: when he was like, no, no, no no, y'all's reasoning for
Speaker 1: why this works is wrong. Um. And then he tried
Speaker 1: to figure out the real reason why it worked and
Speaker 1: became even more wrong, but in a weird way. To
Speaker 1: try and figure out why Chinchona bark helped with malarial fever,
Speaker 1: Hanman started experimenting on himself. He had a sizeable dose
Speaker 1: of the bark and noted its effect on him, as
Speaker 1: he wrote in his notes, quote, my feet, finger ends,
Speaker 1: et cetera. At first became cold, I grew languid and drowsy.
Speaker 1: Then my heart began to palpitate, and my pulse grew
Speaker 1: hard and small and tolerable. Anxiety, trembling, prostration all throughout
Speaker 1: all my limbs. Then pulsation in the head, redness of
Speaker 1: my cheeks, thirst, and in short, all these symptoms which
Speaker 1: are ordinarily characteristic of intermittent fever made their appearance, one
Speaker 1: after the other, yet without the peculiar chili, shivering, rigor
Speaker 1: briefly even those symptoms which are of regular occurrence, and
Speaker 1: especially characteristic as the dulness of mind, the kind of rigidity,
Speaker 1: and all the limbs, but above all the numb disagreeable
Speaker 1: sensation which seems to have its seed, and the pero
Speaker 1: steum over every bone in the body. All these made
Speaker 1: their appearance. This paroxysm lasted two or three hours each time,
Speaker 1: and recurred if I repeated this dose, not otherwise I
Speaker 1: discontinued it and was in good health. So he has
Speaker 1: like a really bad reaction to this ship kind of
Speaker 1: like a fee that's his that's his interpretation of its Like, oh,
Speaker 1: this taking this fever treatment feels like a fever to me.
Speaker 1: So Hanman was struck by a revelation as a result
Speaker 1: of this. If this bark cured fevers but also gave
Speaker 1: him a fever when he took it while he was healthy,
Speaker 1: maybe that meant sicknesses were cured by substances that acted
Speaker 1: similarly to the illness they were treating. I can see
Speaker 1: the logic. You can see the logic in that. You
Speaker 1: can see like, it's not He's not a dumb person
Speaker 1: at this stage in medical development for being like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe this is what's going on. Well, that's the steps
Speaker 1: you would take, I guess, just to figure stuff out.
Speaker 1: I can see how a smart person would be like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: I think I think I figured something out. And I
Speaker 1: think I'm saying that because that's what I would do.
Speaker 1: That's what And there's there actually is some not in
Speaker 1: his particular conclusion of it, but like vaccines essentially worked
Speaker 1: that way. He's he's wrong for the right reasons, I guess,
Speaker 1: you could say, or like he's there are some things
Speaker 1: in medicine that work, like what on men realizes here
Speaker 1: his His main problem is that he generalizes way too much. Um,
Speaker 1: that's humans, Yeah, that's humans exactly. Yes, but again, you see,
Speaker 1: I have trouble. This guy's an imperfect person and we'll
Speaker 1: get to some of his character flaws a little later
Speaker 1: to um. But he's not a bastard. No, he's not.
Speaker 1: He's not a bastard. He's doing his best in an
Speaker 1: era where nobody knows anything about medicine. But he Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's one of the few people raising his eyebrow
Speaker 1: to everything, being like, I don't know. You can think
Speaker 1: y'all are wrong, and he's right, but he's wrong too.
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer. Yeah, yeah, but that idea.
Speaker 1: But he does eventually get to the point where he
Speaker 1: feels like he knows the answer. So yeah. Hanman, based
Speaker 1: on this single experiment, worked up a bold new theory
Speaker 1: of medical science, which he summarized with the now infamous
Speaker 1: line like here's like, okay, that's one of these is
Speaker 1: more facts of homeopathy to get your thing, though, and
Speaker 1: you do need something catching. It's like, uh, in order
Speaker 1: to beat Donald Trump, a dottering ill old man, we
Speaker 1: need another daughtering ill old man whose eye fills with
Speaker 1: blood at random intervals. I don't think we need that one. Nope,
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna happen. Billy, Wayne fucking hope, you're so wrong.
Speaker 1: We've all decided glad you gave me that knife. I
Speaker 1: think that that is well, no, I hope not. But
Speaker 1: if you travel at all, like damn it like like
Speaker 1: here's like it's like when we when when when Mitt
Speaker 1: Romney and uh, a violent Christian extremist ran for president,
Speaker 1: the only person to beat them was Barack Obama, who
Speaker 1: was essentially uh not Mit Romney. Jesus, I sucked this
Speaker 1: up entirely. M hmm. I I don't know. It's it's
Speaker 1: like how Barack Obama and John McCain are the same person. Yeah, see,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. Just this didn't work at
Speaker 1: all for a woman, Okay, continue a woman. That's not
Speaker 1: like caring like Sophie. That's that's love caring. Like that's
Speaker 1: not homeopathy kind of homeopathy. Yeah. So, Handman's basic idea
Speaker 1: was that medicines treated illness by causing similar symptoms and
Speaker 1: the patient. And thus when you had when you dose
Speaker 1: someone with something that made them sick and they were
Speaker 1: already sick, the two sick because his was canceled each
Speaker 1: other out. Now you may recognize this as the same
Speaker 1: medical reasoning and that one episode where Mr Burns goes
Speaker 1: to the doctor and they realized that he has all
Speaker 1: of the diseases. Guy, your illnesses are perfect balance. That's
Speaker 1: that's literally Hanman's like like revelation as a result of
Speaker 1: making himself sick on Cinchona Bark, Oh yeah, you just
Speaker 1: kill it. It's like his thing is like you faught
Speaker 1: fire with fire. It's kind of like that the problem
Speaker 1: came to him and you're on fire. He was like,
Speaker 1: just give him some more him a little bit more fire,
Speaker 1: that's going to give him. I mean that is kind
Speaker 1: of hedy with wildfires, but not in the same way.
Speaker 1: But not humans. But not a human fire. I do understand.
Speaker 1: You do understand how that works. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: the vaccine versus Yeah. Yeah, no, it is a vaccine
Speaker 1: for fire's Yes, a little bit of fire. I'll cure
Speaker 1: this fire. Yeah, we control it before it does it itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's problem with over generalizing. Yeah it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I did try to stop a kitchen fire once
Speaker 1: by just lighting other parts of the kitchen on fire
Speaker 1: and that did not work. That doesn't work. That doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Or put um water on a grease fire. Do you
Speaker 1: know that? Nope, But if you put grease on a
Speaker 1: water fire that, if you've got water on fire, then
Speaker 1: you are you are the city of Cleveland. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you are. You guys cat your river. Every time I
Speaker 1: make fun of Cleveland for the river being on fire
Speaker 1: that like five times that it caught on fire, they
Speaker 1: point out how clean it is today, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, because all the stuff burned up is
Speaker 1: the poison burned death the river us. He cleaned it.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna let Cleveland live that one down. They
Speaker 1: don't care. They don't care, they don't They've been drunk
Speaker 1: the whole time. I love Cleveland. It's fun. You can
Speaker 1: mess anything up. They don't notice. She got mad. Sophie's
Speaker 1: is a Cleveland stand No. I was just thinking about
Speaker 1: the only thing that they got mad at Boz when
Speaker 1: Lebron loved well, I'd be mad about that too. That's
Speaker 1: the only thing they have. Yeah, well he left, he's
Speaker 1: ours now, Well he's no one's beautiful. Lebron James belongs
Speaker 1: to the world. He has a precious Jim. He was
Speaker 1: a precious, is a precious Jim, possibly one of the
Speaker 1: people least fit for this podcast. Yeah, he's so nice.
Speaker 1: Every move he makes is great. Yeah, he's he's a
Speaker 1: class act. He's Shack unlike Shack. No, he's like Shack.
Speaker 1: Oh he's like Shack. Yeah. I like Shack. I like
Speaker 1: Shack too. Shack's great. Shack is right, Dion, Chack is great.
Speaker 1: But I mean he's definitely not as nice of a
Speaker 1: person as Lebron James. I feel like now we're just
Speaker 1: now we're just splitting very large, tall hairs. I don't
Speaker 1: want to like continue with you continue the podcast. You
Speaker 1: do host? I do? I do host a podcast. So
Speaker 1: the logic of Hanman's idea that like cures like was
Speaker 1: reinforced a few years later when Dr Edward Jenner invented
Speaker 1: the first smallpox vaccine. This worked by, you know, essentially
Speaker 1: introducing a small sample of the disease into a patient
Speaker 1: to immunize them. Now, today we know that what Jenner
Speaker 1: did with his vaccine is very different than what Hanman proposed,
Speaker 1: but at the time, giving the information available, you could
Speaker 1: be forgiven for taking Jenner's breakthrough is more evidence that
Speaker 1: Hanman was on the right track. Mademan insufferable. He definitely was.
Speaker 1: That happens after this point. Ah, he's been telling you all.
Speaker 1: I figured it out. Who told you? Clearly? This is
Speaker 1: the same thing. Damn it. Electrified by his study, Samuel
Speaker 1: will Hanman began a series of experiments to develop what
Speaker 1: he will eve would be a whole new and much
Speaker 1: more valid school of medicine, since the underlying theory behind
Speaker 1: it all was that light cures like he called his
Speaker 1: new system homeopathy. On his first book on the subject,
Speaker 1: he wrote, to obtain a quick and lasting cure, choose
Speaker 1: for every attack or illness a substance that which can
Speaker 1: produce a similar malady to the one it is to cure.
Speaker 1: Modern day homeopaths still cite this experiment as one of
Speaker 1: the greatest developments in the history of mankind. One modern
Speaker 1: text book claims Chinchona bark was to Hanman what the
Speaker 1: falling apple was to Newton and the swinging lamp to Galileo.
Speaker 1: Hanman launched next into a series of bold experiments, both
Speaker 1: on himself and on his children, his wife, and his students.
Speaker 1: In his first book, Fragmented Deirebus, he asserted that he
Speaker 1: had experienced a hundred and twenty two different symptoms from
Speaker 1: ingesting chinchona bark, which suggested, uh it must have a
Speaker 1: wide ranging medical application. Likewise, Samuel had listed a hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy four known symptoms with the consumption of green peppers.
Speaker 1: Um so I deal with health problems by it and
Speaker 1: peppers hundred and seventy four them. Although you know this
Speaker 1: is obviously not real medicine, but it also seems pretty harmless,
Speaker 1: like eating eating green peppers isn't going to cure anything,
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna make you worse. Unfortunately, the very
Speaker 1: logic of light cures like led Hanman inevitably towards experiments
Speaker 1: with literal poisons. Martin Gumper, one of his biographers, wrote,
Speaker 1: day after day he tested medicines on himself and others.
Speaker 1: He collected histories of cases of poisoning. His purpose was
Speaker 1: to establish a physiological doctrine of medical remedies free from
Speaker 1: all suppositions, based solely on experiments. Hanman sent his children
Speaker 1: into the fields to collect hinbane, sumach and deadly nightshade.
Speaker 1: They grew up like young priests of the Esclepion of
Speaker 1: costs they felt the leaves, blossoms and tubers with small
Speaker 1: but expert hands. Everyone was obliged to join in the work,
Speaker 1: for there was no other way to succeed in his
Speaker 1: titanic plan of rescuing the wealth of natural remedies from
Speaker 1: the quagmire of textbooks and displaying it in the bright
Speaker 1: light of experience. The family huddled together, and every free
Speaker 1: moment of every one of them, from the oldest to
Speaker 1: the youngest, was made of for the testing of medicines
Speaker 1: and the gathering of the most precise information on their
Speaker 1: observed effects. So he sends his kids out in the
Speaker 1: field to grab poison and take it. So that's good.
Speaker 1: That's how your kids. There are his kids, He owns them.
Speaker 1: That's his He's a doctor. He's a doctor. It was
Speaker 1: an exciting time for Hanman and his family. Unfortunately, which
Speaker 1: ones are going to die. It was not an exciting
Speaker 1: time for many of his patients. Uh. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: quote now from the A. C. S. H is right
Speaker 1: up on homeopathy, having a masked, voluminous pseudo knowledge by
Speaker 1: pairing many specific vile substances, in particular diseases who symptoms
Speaker 1: most resembled the effects he attributed to those substances. Hanman
Speaker 1: set up shop as the original homeopath. He would begin
Speaker 1: his consultations by putting wearisomely. Numerous questions to the patient
Speaker 1: their applies would contribute to his building a picture of
Speaker 1: the patient's condition, a picture based exclusively on these replies,
Speaker 1: the patient's appearance, and Hanman's supposedly God given intuition. For example,
Speaker 1: if the patient had a gray pallor, was sweating profusely,
Speaker 1: and said that he or she suffered from abdominal cramps,
Speaker 1: Hanman would in effect look up gray pallors, sweating, and
Speaker 1: abdominal cramps. In his tome, used cross references to narrow
Speaker 1: down possible remedies, and us decide that strict nine, a
Speaker 1: toxic alkaloid, was the I don't care for the patient's condition,
Speaker 1: and it'll make it stop. It will make it, it
Speaker 1: will it will stop a lot. Yes, it'll make it stop.
Speaker 1: Strict nine causes sweating and horrific cramps itself, so it
Speaker 1: seemed like a logical treatment for a patient exhibiting those
Speaker 1: same symptoms. Unfortunately, giving literal poison to sick people is
Speaker 1: likelier to kill them than cure them. That's that was okay, good,
Speaker 1: that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure you were
Speaker 1: going to say that. Yeah, that's where this is heading.
Speaker 1: He kills a lot of people because of the poisons.
Speaker 1: Because of the poisons, it turns out that's bad. Is
Speaker 1: his defense. The you have to let me fail. If
Speaker 1: I have succeeded in curing one patient, it's only because
Speaker 1: I failed on nine. It's a numbers game. You kill
Speaker 1: a hundred percent of the patients you don't treat. That
Speaker 1: is That's what Wayne Gretzky said, Doctor Reverend Dr Wayne Gretzky.
Speaker 1: That's his famous ah my headphones fell off. That can
Speaker 1: only mean it's time for an ad plug. Billy waye okay,
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Speaker 1: to touch tips here? I always want to touch with
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Speaker 1: You're making a strange face. What's up? I feel left out.
Speaker 1: I don't have a weapon here here you get to
Speaker 1: mind you have this? Why? Thank you? Billy welcome, pull
Speaker 1: out my knife. I get the machettire thanks, Robert. Okay, alright, cool, alright,
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Speaker 1: audio podcast we Metal on Metal. Yeah, everybody loves the
Speaker 1: sound of metal on Metal almost as much as they
Speaker 1: sent love the sound of Cody's time machine. That was
Speaker 1: so crazy. That was horrible. It was disgusting. Now, Uh,
Speaker 1: that's a metaphor for something disgusting. It's a literal of something.
Speaker 1: Discovery Johnston made the most horrifying what he thought was
Speaker 1: a sound effect for a time machine. It sounds like
Speaker 1: sounded like cockroaches performing oral sex. Yeah, it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: was like no terrible, speaking of terrible. Uh. Samuel Hahnman's
Speaker 1: practice of giving poison to sick people uh worked out
Speaker 1: terribly uh and killed a huge number of them. Quote.
Speaker 1: For stomach pains. He regularly prescribed quart aouns doses of mercury.
Speaker 1: He instructed one, so much mercury. That's like, that's like
Speaker 1: twenty thermometers worth of mercury, and that's going to hurt you.
Speaker 1: That is not going to help, not coming back. He
Speaker 1: instructed one poor soul to take half an ounce of
Speaker 1: sulfuric acid in the morning, another half ounce later that day.
Speaker 1: I do not think they made it to the second.
Speaker 1: If you get to the end of the day, take
Speaker 1: a little more, take a little bar. If you make it.
Speaker 1: You can just imagine that person making it through and
Speaker 1: then just being like, all right, you gotta taken I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to do it again. That second
Speaker 1: dose just falls right out through the whole made it through.
Speaker 1: Oh God. Yeah. A purported healing system that Hanman asserted
Speaker 1: God had revealed to him was having devilish effects on
Speaker 1: his patients who were dropping like flies. Them with a
Speaker 1: big pad of paper and just one Nope, no, that one. No,
Speaker 1: it's not the solution. Not nope. And I'm guessing it
Speaker 1: was like for heartburn or something. It's like, oh, your
Speaker 1: heart's burning. Huh. I think I know what'll deal with this.
Speaker 1: Burn your heart back. You want to burn your heart
Speaker 1: back into alignment. To drink some fucking acid drink? Oh boy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So you know, was it bubbling? That's the carbonation some
Speaker 1: doctors might have you know, realized from all of these
Speaker 1: dead people, uh, that this theory of like curing like
Speaker 1: maybe was not as universally applicable as Hanman thought. But
Speaker 1: Samuel Hanman did not make that decision. Instead, he decided
Speaker 1: that his theory just needed a little bit of alteration.
Speaker 1: M you know, you don't need you don't want to,
Speaker 1: You don't want to scrap a whole medical theory just
Speaker 1: because you burn a couple of people to death with acid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has looked up in his his healing poal was
Speaker 1: a lot smaller than the dead body pie. And that
Speaker 1: I mean that does mean you need to rejigger some things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: math's wrong. The math's not right. We're going out here now.
Speaker 1: To adjust his theory, Hanman turned back to his Masonic
Speaker 1: and occult roots. He added a new stage to the treatment.
Speaker 1: Instead of just dosing his patients with fatal poisons and
Speaker 1: watching them die horribly, he began deluding said poisons to
Speaker 1: a ridiculous extent. He'd start by adding ninety nine drops
Speaker 1: of alcohol to one drop of the actual substance, and
Speaker 1: then he would shake the mixture to potentialize it and
Speaker 1: activate its magical power. Potentialize potentialize that they still do that.
Speaker 1: You gotta shake this ship. Obviously, you don't shake. It
Speaker 1: doesn't work. It's like one of those it's like one
Speaker 1: of those uh five hour energies. Yeah, you gotta shake it,
Speaker 1: gotta shake it. He would then delude it further, adding
Speaker 1: drops of water to one drop of this one C mixture,
Speaker 1: and that would create a two C mixture, and so
Speaker 1: on down the line, until essentially nothing was left of
Speaker 1: the original substance. Of course, this was placebo. It's just
Speaker 1: a placebo. But to Hanman, he saw this instantly have
Speaker 1: a massive positive effect about his patients, because it's way
Speaker 1: better to give someone water than strict nine. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I didn't go to I mean allegedly, I don't know
Speaker 1: for a fact, but that's doing the medical school. I'm
Speaker 1: not a doctor, but I think was suggested that to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if you drink water, it'll make you feel better.
Speaker 1: Aren't you both red doctors? We haven't. We haven't gone
Speaker 1: to Haiti to bleach people. This is the bleach part that, yeah, understand,
Speaker 1: But I want that sweet, sweet, I want that title
Speaker 1: you take. Uh, just what if we make our own program?
Speaker 1: How do we become accredited to give people fake medical degrees?
Speaker 1: This is American? We're just like, Oh, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's probably as hard as we think it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to find someone who owns a small college
Speaker 1: and then give us an honorary doctorate. You know who's
Speaker 1: let's talk to Uh oh, what's his Liberty They're in trouble, right,
Speaker 1: Liberty University. We just did an episode of I bet
Speaker 1: we could get that. Yeah, they need some help right now,
Speaker 1: they need some help right now. Let's get in bed
Speaker 1: with the fallwells. Yeah, what could go wrong? No, well,
Speaker 1: we'll get in the pool with the follow Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: have you seen that stuff about the trainers? Yeah? Boy, yeah,
Speaker 1: what what does his name? Want one? It's so, I'm
Speaker 1: proudest of him. He did well, he did he did
Speaker 1: very well. Every movie made. I was a boy. There's
Speaker 1: a good solid man now. Uh so, obviously, Hanman starts
Speaker 1: deluding his literal poison, and he notices massive improvements and
Speaker 1: his surviving patients um dehydrated anymore. Yeah, it's great. Nor
Speaker 1: are my insides liquefying? It's now to Hanman, this proved
Speaker 1: he was on the right track. He added the aphorism
Speaker 1: less is more to like cures like, and together these
Speaker 1: two facts laid the cornerstone of homeopathic medicine. Yep, Hanman's diaries.
Speaker 1: If his less is more period included much alchemic and
Speaker 1: astrologic symbol I'm sorry I'm quoting here from uh that
Speaker 1: that right up? They all understand marketing. Oh yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: to it like a degree that most people. I wonder
Speaker 1: with Hanman though, I wonder if he's just this is
Speaker 1: just kind of how science works when you know less,
Speaker 1: everyone's dying from everyone's treatments because they're all bad. Like
Speaker 1: we we laugh about him giving someone a quarter ounce
Speaker 1: of mercury because that's debt terrible, but also like normal
Speaker 1: doctors who weren't homeopaths, we're also giving people and we
Speaker 1: know that you don't do that because of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is that. Yeah, So I think it's very possible
Speaker 1: that Hanman is just he's making some clearly some logical
Speaker 1: failures and being like, now when I deluded it, they
Speaker 1: got better. That means deluding it makes the medicine stronger,
Speaker 1: or it's like no, no that's not that's not quite it.
Speaker 1: The stuff is killing them and you're giving them less stuff.
Speaker 1: You just stopped poisoning them. He's like, or or what
Speaker 1: less is more? Yeah? Or the saying yeah, so he
Speaker 1: he started, you know, spending his nights shaking and mixing
Speaker 1: and cooking up all sorts of magical cures for people.
Speaker 1: Um and over time, Hanman grew to delude his medicines
Speaker 1: more and more. In seventeen nine, while he was based
Speaker 1: in a small town called Konnig Saluter, an outbreak of
Speaker 1: scarlet fever hit the community. Hanman thought the symptoms of
Speaker 1: the disease headaches and wide open eyelids with a dull,
Speaker 1: staring look, were similar the effects he'd observed on his
Speaker 1: friends and family when he dosed them with atropine. To
Speaker 1: see what would happen. Following the theory of like curing like,
Speaker 1: he dosed patients with atropine. Thankfully, it was an extremely
Speaker 1: deluded one thirty two solution. Uh so you know what,
Speaker 1: it was, basically water. I'm gonna quote from the University
Speaker 1: of Washington here. The reason for deluding the drug was
Speaker 1: Hanman's awareness that drugs were often responsible for aggregating existing
Speaker 1: diseases or introducing new ones with contemporary dosages. Still believing
Speaker 1: he was observing drug effects, he gradually gave his pure
Speaker 1: drugs and greater delusions. Hanman rationalized this action by speculating
Speaker 1: that an illness the body was enormously more sensitive to
Speaker 1: drugs than in health. He's making a lot of logical
Speaker 1: leaps here, it's interest. Yeah. And here's the question. Is
Speaker 1: he also dosing himself? Yes, so he's just getting madder
Speaker 1: and madder. Yeah, I I I do suspect that's having
Speaker 1: an impact because he gave himself a lot of poisons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure kids affect the mind. You don't hear much
Speaker 1: about his kids. Well, well, all that mercury. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: he continued his tactic of deluding his medication until things
Speaker 1: reach their current point of homeopathic absurdity. A modern homeopathic
Speaker 1: treatment for the common cold would be a six C
Speaker 1: solution of onion, white onion, because when you cut an onion,
Speaker 1: your nose gets all stuffed up like it does when
Speaker 1: you have a cold. Man. Yeah. Now, if you're wondering
Speaker 1: how much actual onion is in a six C delution,
Speaker 1: well I'm gonna quote from the A C s h
Speaker 1: is right up again. A six C onion concentration would
Speaker 1: result if one filled whimbley stadium to the roof with
Speaker 1: water and added one drop of an onion mother tincture.
Speaker 1: A twelve C onion concentration and a homeopathic pill is
Speaker 1: equivalent to that which would result of one added a
Speaker 1: single drop of onion mother tincture to a body of
Speaker 1: water the size of the Atlantic Ocean. So he's just
Speaker 1: he's just giving them water. Kind of depends on how
Speaker 1: are you doing this. It's like an onion version of lacroix. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like more concentrated or more diluted. Lacroixis a lot
Speaker 1: stronger than homeopath. Is someone in the next stroom cutting onions, Like, no,
Speaker 1: that's the medicine. That's the medicine. But we did make
Speaker 1: it by having someone in the next room cut onions
Speaker 1: and we took the smell of it and sprinkled it
Speaker 1: on the water. They're actually getting into what is the
Speaker 1: problem one of the modern problems with homeopathic medicine, But
Speaker 1: that's gonna wait until part two. They don't always delude
Speaker 1: it so much. Now. The ironic thing about all this
Speaker 1: is that Hanman's nonsense medicine actually saved a huge number
Speaker 1: of lives during this period of time. This is not
Speaker 1: because his cure has worked, but it is because real
Speaker 1: doctors in this period we're prescribing people poison. Most sicknesses
Speaker 1: suffered by most people get better on their own after
Speaker 1: enough time, if you just don't give people deadly poisons.
Speaker 1: So Hanman's patients would start taking his nonsense water, they
Speaker 1: would heal of their body's own accord, and they would
Speaker 1: avoid going to a regular doctor who would have probably
Speaker 1: tried to drill a hole in their brain to let
Speaker 1: the ghosts out. In this way, completely by accident, Samuel
Speaker 1: Hahnman did succeed in advancing the frontiers of medical science
Speaker 1: in a major way. I want to quote from the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three book The March of Medicine. However we
Speaker 1: may judge Hanman's theory, one thing must be admitted. It
Speaker 1: led to a decisive change in medical thought. Clear Headed
Speaker 1: doctors realized that a minimum dose of an ineffectual substance
Speaker 1: such as homeopaths used, was tantamount to giving no treatment.
Speaker 1: If the sick recovered all the same, and this could
Speaker 1: not be disputed, it must be a matter of self healing.
Speaker 1: Homeopathic treatment, in other words, no treatment was often far better.
Speaker 1: So basically doctors start realizing, like, Okay, this guy has
Speaker 1: given people nothing. We know that. We know that like
Speaker 1: his because we knew math, like you know Avogadro's number
Speaker 1: and Shi at this point, we know this is just
Speaker 1: water and his patients are doing better than ours. Maybe
Speaker 1: we suck. Maybe we're bad at this, and we need
Speaker 1: to really fundamentally change how we do medicine. And Hanman
Speaker 1: was a big part of that realization. That's really nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it's also like you think there's a period.
Speaker 1: Really maybe if we send our patients to the ghost
Speaker 1: we let out of their brain, that would help. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that they try, we're doing. They send a lot of
Speaker 1: patients to the ghosts that they let out of their
Speaker 1: brain to it just seems like probably a step they
Speaker 1: went through. Yeah, it wasn't an even march of progress.
Speaker 1: That dude was the doctor and we let that ghost
Speaker 1: out of his brain. Let's see what the doctor ghost now,
Speaker 1: and he didn't give them poison. So the ghost doctor
Speaker 1: was a better doctor than the actual doctors. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: ghost doctor would absolutely be a better I would rather
Speaker 1: go to a ghost doctor in this period than Hanman
Speaker 1: or a regular doctor. The more and more I come
Speaker 1: to these more and more I realized like, oh, it
Speaker 1: makes sense, we've destroyed this planet. Yeah, we're not We're
Speaker 1: not a smart species. Yeah, it's crazy. It took us
Speaker 1: this more. Yeah. No, we've really made a lot of progress.
Speaker 1: For as dumb as we are. It's kind of inspiring
Speaker 1: when you think about it that way. We're doing all
Speaker 1: right well. Real doctors took the apparent success of Hanman's
Speaker 1: methods as a reason to revise their tactics. Samuel himself
Speaker 1: continue to plow forward and develop his treatments into a
Speaker 1: wide ranging belief system. Homeopathy was immediately popular with patients
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. Um from a report in the Anctional
Speaker 1: Institutes of Health quote, the differences between orthodox medicine and
Speaker 1: homeopathy could hardly be more vivid. From its beginning, homeopathy
Speaker 1: always began with a long consultation lasting at least an hour,
Speaker 1: in which all aspects of the patient's illness and life
Speaker 1: were discussed. Homeopaths like to stress that they practice holistic
Speaker 1: medicine and the appropriate treatment chosen. In contrast, during the
Speaker 1: first half of the nineteenth century, when homeopathy was becoming established,
Speaker 1: orthodox medicine was immersed in the belief that advances and
Speaker 1: understanding disease could only come from a detailed correlation of
Speaker 1: symptoms and signs of the sick patient. On the ward
Speaker 1: and the findings that autopsy clinical pathological correlation. So these
Speaker 1: orthodox tactics did lead to eventually a greater understanding of
Speaker 1: health and illness um, but it also meant in the
Speaker 1: immediate term that doctors are basically often we're just gonna
Speaker 1: wait till you die and cut you open and then
Speaker 1: and then we'll be better in the future, which patients
Speaker 1: aren't big fans of. No, they like a doctor who
Speaker 1: treats you as a person and not as just like
Speaker 1: waiting to cut into your corpse and be like, you
Speaker 1: took your car in a mechanic and he's like, ah,
Speaker 1: I could, but I'm not going to ye. But when
Speaker 1: it quits running, bring it to me. When your brakes
Speaker 1: fail on the highway, I'll cut your car open afterwards,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'll tell you which why the bricks didn't work, Okay,
Speaker 1: exactly what they didn't work. Yeah. So Hanman showed no
Speaker 1: interest in detailed pathology, uh, none in conventional diagnosis and treatment.
Speaker 1: He was only interested in the principles of homeopathic medicine,
Speaker 1: which he used to name the illness. Classic Homeopathy was
Speaker 1: therefore seen by its supporters as an attractively safe symptom, simple,
Speaker 1: easy to understand, and centered on the patient as a
Speaker 1: whole and not on pathological lesions. By eighteen o one,
Speaker 1: Hanman had moved on yet again, back to a town
Speaker 1: near Leipzig. His notebooks revealed the kind of problems most
Speaker 1: of his patients came to him with insomnia, headaches, dizziness, constipation,
Speaker 1: lack of appetite, backaches, menopause, menstruation. In other words, all
Speaker 1: things that tended to resolve themselves. Life. Yeah, life. But
Speaker 1: Samuel Hanman watched his patients improve after giving them water,
Speaker 1: and he grew convinced that he had solved the problem
Speaker 1: of sickness for all time. His fellow doctors were less
Speaker 1: than convinced, and they were particularly frustrated with the fact
Speaker 1: that high society, the aristocracy, and the very wealthy increasingly
Speaker 1: embraced homeopathy over orthodox medicine. By eighteen o five, he
Speaker 1: was widely recognized as a physician of note. In eighteen ten,
Speaker 1: he published the organ On of Rational Healing, which would
Speaker 1: be published in five editions during his lifetime. Leipzig University,
Speaker 1: his alma mater, hired him to give lectures from eighteen
Speaker 1: twelve to eighteen twenty one, he taught six month courses
Speaker 1: on the principles of homeopathy. Curious young minds from all
Speaker 1: over Europe flocked to Hanman's classroom to learn from the master.
Speaker 1: By this point, he'd grown utterly convinced of his own brilliance,
Speaker 1: to the point where he told one group of students,
Speaker 1: he who does not walk on exactly the same line
Speaker 1: with me, who diverges if would be but the breath
Speaker 1: of a straw to the right of the left is
Speaker 1: an apples state and a traitor. And with him, I
Speaker 1: have nothing to do. Oh goody good. He doesn't get
Speaker 1: more better in his old age, No, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's this is kind of where he gets to be
Speaker 1: a little bit more problematic. Everyone's telling him how great
Speaker 1: is yeah yeah, And you know, in fairness to him,
Speaker 1: compared to the poison, doctors held goods, not given people
Speaker 1: poison is a good move as a doctor. I wish
Speaker 1: I had been a doctor, that it would have been
Speaker 1: so much easier. Yeah, machettison could have really taken off
Speaker 1: that a just cut off a digit, Just cut off
Speaker 1: a finger. Oh he's trying to give you acid. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna cut your finger. Just give me Which finger
Speaker 1: do you hate? Yeah, you have, We all have one.
Speaker 1: We love. Everybody's got an evil finger. Which finger? That's
Speaker 1: the core of machettison? God, all right, it's time for ads, Sophie.
Speaker 1: Sophie is saying it's time for ads. If you like
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Speaker 1: You tried, though, Billy in one. At age sixty six,
Speaker 1: Samuel Hanman was granted unlimited privileges by a nearby duchess,
Speaker 1: allowing him to live in luxury while he took a
Speaker 1: partial retirement to the develop his theories six and held
Speaker 1: a long fucking life. That means it's old now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he lives forever essentially. Yeah uh. He continued to be
Speaker 1: the center of the homeopathic field, directing the establishment of
Speaker 1: a homeopathic journal and watching his new homeopathic schools were
Speaker 1: established by his former students. While homeopathy spread over the continent.
Speaker 1: Samuel Hanman continued to work until in eight he presented
Speaker 1: his greatest discovery since his first breakthrough. The father of
Speaker 1: homeopathy had finally found the root of all chronic illnesses. No,
Speaker 1: the itch really, yeah, he decided it was scabies. That's
Speaker 1: not that's I can tell you from experience that's not
Speaker 1: the it's not the root of illness, and stayed in
Speaker 1: some shady hotels and stuff. Yeah now, Hanman termed it
Speaker 1: sora and claimed that scabies basically acted as the soil
Speaker 1: from which all diseases sprung. Modern homeopaths are very much
Speaker 1: divided on whether or not this last great theory of
Speaker 1: Hanman's was a misstep or the key to a proper
Speaker 1: homeopathic treatment. Actual doctors recognized that scaby is to actually
Speaker 1: caused by tiny microsoftic mites and has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with same multiple sclerosis after chro. But I'm sure during
Speaker 1: that time it was a huge problem. Scabies is everywhere, everywhere.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got scabies. Who comes in with something else wrong
Speaker 1: must be the scabies causn't it. It's like people that
Speaker 1: that do hardcore drugs always also smoke pot. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the same, exactly that logic. Yes, yeah, got you now. Uh.
Speaker 1: In eighteen thirty five, Hunman married a thirty five year
Speaker 1: old French socialite. She'd originally been one of his patients.
Speaker 1: Year old. I mean even the old horny dudes existed,
Speaker 1: old horny dudes, and he is apparently great at it. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she'd originally been one of his patients, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: presented no ethical dilemma. His family, particularly his surviving children,
Speaker 1: were horrified when they now very elderly scientist left for
Speaker 1: France with his young new wife. Oddly enough, that year
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty five was also the your homeopathy faced its
Speaker 1: first effective rebuttal, using what we would recognize today as
Speaker 1: actual science. But he didn't like that. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't even know what he thought about it, because it's
Speaker 1: not like there weren't like online journals and stuff that's
Speaker 1: happened far away from him. I don't know. He was busy,
Speaker 1: he was he was busy. Oh you guys got a
Speaker 1: problem with I don't care. I'll make sure you ain't.
Speaker 1: Got no escaping. French homeopathy had taken off among the
Speaker 1: great and good in the Kingdom of Bavaria. In Nuremberg,
Speaker 1: to homeopathic doctors did a brisk business treating the nobility
Speaker 1: with nonsense water. This irritated a fellow named Friedrich Wilhelm
Speaker 1: von Hoven, the city's chief public health official and the
Speaker 1: head of the hospitals. He wrote a critique of homeopathy
Speaker 1: under a pseudonym. According to the n I h quote.
Speaker 1: Von Hoven accused homeopathy of lacking any scientific foundation. He
Speaker 1: suggested that homeopathic drugs were not real medicines at all.
Speaker 1: An alleged homeopathic cures were either due to dietetic regimes
Speaker 1: and the healing powers of nature, or showed the power
Speaker 1: of belief. He called for an objective comparative assessment by
Speaker 1: impartial experts. If, as he aspected, homeopathic treatment proved ineffective,
Speaker 1: the government would need to take drastic measures to protect
Speaker 1: the lives of deceived patients. A little bit of both.
Speaker 1: In between. It seems like everyone is very reactionary to
Speaker 1: the I mean, nothing's changed that not humans are, but
Speaker 1: they can't. They have a hard time going in between.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, it is interesting. It's it's a common problem
Speaker 1: with people. UM. Johan Jacob Reuter, Nuremberg's homeopathic doctor UH,
Speaker 1: defended his discipline by claiming that even children, lunatics, and
Speaker 1: animals had been cured by homeopathic solutions. He challenged von
Speaker 1: Hoven to try something comparisons like the children, lunatics, and
Speaker 1: animals and animals the three kinds of people you know. Uh.
Speaker 1: He challenged von Hoven to try some homeopathic medicine a
Speaker 1: thirty C dilution of salt and see if he didn't
Speaker 1: feel something. This test or challenge sparked dozens of physicians
Speaker 1: and pharmacists in Nuremberg to take him up on his
Speaker 1: offer and now on some sweet yeah, now, now I
Speaker 1: kind of want some joblins. Uh. So suddenly all these
Speaker 1: physitions started doing tests on themselves with deluted salt water,
Speaker 1: and eventually they hit upon the idea of conducting a
Speaker 1: single large scale test and Clint instead of all doing
Speaker 1: individual tests. Quote. Following a widely publicized invitation to anyone
Speaker 1: who was interested, more than a hundred twenty citizens met
Speaker 1: in a local tavern. The minimum numbers needed to proceed
Speaker 1: had been fixed at fifty. The design of the proposed
Speaker 1: trial was explained to detail in front of everyone. A
Speaker 1: hundred vials were numbered, thoroughly shuffled, and then split up
Speaker 1: into random into two lots of fifty. One lot was
Speaker 1: filled with distilled snow water, the other with ordinary salt
Speaker 1: and a homeopathic C thirty dilution of distilled snow water
Speaker 1: prepared just as Reuter had demanded. A grain of salt
Speaker 1: was dissolved and a hundred drops that distilled snow water
Speaker 1: and the resulting solution was deluted twenty nine times at
Speaker 1: a ratio of one to one hundred. So this is
Speaker 1: like a double line experiment. You get your control, you
Speaker 1: get your your your test group um and a list
Speaker 1: was made of which subjects had received which substances. The
Speaker 1: subjects themselves were kept in the dark about what they'd received.
Speaker 1: So this is believed to be the first double blind
Speaker 1: study conducted in the history of medicine. This is what
Speaker 1: it's done to try and see if homeopathy worked. Like
Speaker 1: Hanman advanced the frontiers of medical science more than almost
Speaker 1: any other single person, completely by accident. Yeah, completely by accident.
Speaker 1: It's kind of cool, but contrarian being like I think
Speaker 1: I don't think this is right. Yeah, I think I'm
Speaker 1: the only one who knows anything. And well that's what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say too. Is like a lot of
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot even to this day. Arrogance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: takes us away farther and helps us in some degree,
Speaker 1: But we heard ourselves pretty hard till we get there.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Ye. There's actually a lot of
Speaker 1: interesting writings on the evolution of over confidence and like
Speaker 1: why over confidence occurs in species and stuff, and like
Speaker 1: how if you're if you've got two species, two different
Speaker 1: animals competing over resource, and one of them believes irrationally
Speaker 1: that it will win any fight, and so it always
Speaker 1: tries to grab the thing. Like, sometimes it will get
Speaker 1: in fights, and sometimes it will lose those fights, but
Speaker 1: more often than not, the less confident thing would just
Speaker 1: be like, I don't want to I don't want to
Speaker 1: fight with you. But the dog that goes for the
Speaker 1: treat first gets the treat most often, or yeah, whoever
Speaker 1: throws the first punch. And with human beings, that means
Speaker 1: sometimes we build arsenals of nuclear weapons capable of annihilating
Speaker 1: all life on Earth and hand them to dottering old men. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it also means sometimes we look up at the
Speaker 1: moon and go, yeah, I bet we could fling a
Speaker 1: guy into that. Let's go up there, let's figure that
Speaker 1: ship out. Yeah we can do it. Fuck it. I mean,
Speaker 1: if my car goes this fan, that's just a bigger
Speaker 1: gas tank. Yeah that's that. That happened in Huntsville, Alabama.
Speaker 1: That's where that's where they build those rocks. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: keep making fun of the South. Yeah, we fucking landed
Speaker 1: on the goddamn moon. That's where all the ness shit
Speaker 1: is because nobody else is that fucking crazy. No, well
Speaker 1: that's a lot of it too. Yeah, is there a
Speaker 1: lot of rednecks going like, but I know how to
Speaker 1: do this. I can get us up there. That's really
Speaker 1: like the core history, and that's why, like all the
Speaker 1: great test pilots come from like Ohio or something like
Speaker 1: flat boring places where it's like, oh, yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: rolling around in a car trying to get myself killed
Speaker 1: for years. Might as well do it for science. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I can fly alright, fuck, yeah, I'll be the
Speaker 1: first one. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, I'll go on
Speaker 1: board this. You're any Chuck Yeager, he's still very, very
Speaker 1: very confident in old age. We're like, well, god, how
Speaker 1: cocky was he when he was little? How could you
Speaker 1: not be being Chuck Yeager? Though? I think you accomplished
Speaker 1: a couple of things, and then you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can do anything I want. And who's that Chuck Air?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go ahead, bigarette, just let him. Yeah you
Speaker 1: can smoke in the majorney Ward. So obviously the double
Speaker 1: blind this first double blind study showed that it didn't
Speaker 1: the homeopathic medicine didn't do anything. So the first blind
Speaker 1: study worked. Yeah, it worked. Uh so Yeah, in eighteen
Speaker 1: thirty five, a bunch of dudes at a bar succeeded
Speaker 1: improving homeopathy was nonsense. But as I've said a number
Speaker 1: of times on this show, proof has never convinced anyone
Speaker 1: of anything. Yeah, homeopathy is the oldest European example of
Speaker 1: what we now call c a M or complimentary and
Speaker 1: alternative medicine. That's a nice term used by professionals today
Speaker 1: to avoid hurting the feelings of people who truly believe
Speaker 1: crystals are going to heal their arthritis. The whole reason
Speaker 1: a field of fundamentally unscientific ideas is treated this way
Speaker 1: traces back to Samuel Hahnman. Before his rise to prominence,
Speaker 1: medicine outside the mainstream without data behind it was just
Speaker 1: called quackery. Going to quote next from an article in
Speaker 1: the Royal Society of Medicine. Most of these pre eighteen
Speaker 1: fifty quacks tend to specialize. Some were bone setters, Others
Speaker 1: claim to cure of anereal disease without the use of mercury.
Speaker 1: A doctor Taylor of Beverly and Gloucester arranged to attend
Speaker 1: regularly at three public houses, to which patients only had
Speaker 1: to send in their urine, and he would tell at
Speaker 1: once whether they were curable or not. There were self
Speaker 1: siled Oculus, who is specialized in the treatment of cataract
Speaker 1: and curious of cancer without operation. One of the latter,
Speaker 1: calling himself the High German Doctor Simon, invited you to
Speaker 1: visit his house and see for yourself answer of the
Speaker 1: armpit of five pieces of twelve and one half ounces
Speaker 1: weight which he claimed to have removed. Most of these
Speaker 1: regulars were uneducated or even illiterate, and only a minority
Speaker 1: were full time healers, usually at regular jobs such as blacksmith, ferrier, grocer, butcher, cheesemonger, cobbler,
Speaker 1: cutter or mechanic. They often claimed patronage of the Great
Speaker 1: and Good Dr Scott's Billius and liver pills were used
Speaker 1: by the Dukes of Devonshire, Northumberland and Wellington, Anglesey and Hastings,
Speaker 1: and the Earls of Pembrooke, Essex and Oxford, while Dr
Speaker 1: Lampert at thirty six High Street, Boro, London, claimed to
Speaker 1: visit the world to do. In the West Indies, the
Speaker 1: Isles of Scilly London, Nottingham, Derby, Norwich, Lincoln, Boston, Gloucester,
Speaker 1: wolfer Hampton, Litchfield, a bunch of British names, and forbidden
Speaker 1: measure almost every other town in the Kingdom. These are
Speaker 1: regulars had one thing in common. They had little if
Speaker 1: any interest in understanding of orthodox medicine in their time.
Speaker 1: I got time for fancy book learning. I'm doing magic
Speaker 1: and it's not always bad. Like the doctors who are like, oh,
Speaker 1: we can cure your VD without using mercury, Like they
Speaker 1: could hear people's STDs, but they weren't making it worse
Speaker 1: with mercury. You know that, you know what sucks worse
Speaker 1: than mercury. Yeah, And we're like, oh God, he would
Speaker 1: put mercy in your hole. Don't do that. Just yeah.
Speaker 1: So things changed in the early nineteenth century, largely as
Speaker 1: a result of Samuel's work. Homeopathy gave quacks an ideology
Speaker 1: and a school of medicine to stand alongside. While old
Speaker 1: fashioned quacks would rarely visit the same town twice because
Speaker 1: they were fundamentally frauds, homeopaths would continue to practice in
Speaker 1: the same area for years, even decades. People at the
Speaker 1: time recognize this change. Quote an orthodox practitioner remarked the
Speaker 1: old fashioned quack with his farrago of receipts, who seldom
Speaker 1: visited the same neighborhood, but at very long intervals in
Speaker 1: order to avoid recognition. This class a practitioner is fast
Speaker 1: coming to a close. It was being replaced by literate
Speaker 1: and educated empirics who read books. This remark signal the
Speaker 1: emergence of a new form of unorthodox medicine, which formed
Speaker 1: the basis of what is today called complimentary alternative medicine.
Speaker 1: This is where we get gooped from. You know, it
Speaker 1: used to be you were like a fringe medical person.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't you wouldn't stick around in town. You'd sell
Speaker 1: your snake on and get out. Because of Hanuman, these
Speaker 1: people established themselves. Is like no, no no, no, We're going
Speaker 1: to like set up offices and try to do like
Speaker 1: we see ourselves as legitimate practitioners and that is all
Speaker 1: really humans need is like a different subconsciously, we're like,
Speaker 1: it's like the marijuana doctor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: the marijuana doctors. Samuel Hanman and his wife lived out
Speaker 1: there last year's as popular socialites in France. The only
Speaker 1: hiccup in his golden ears came when his wife was
Speaker 1: charged for practicing medicine without a license, but this does
Speaker 1: not seem to have led to a significant penalty. He
Speaker 1: died a millionaire in eighteen forty three at the age
Speaker 1: of eighty nine, So good life for him. God, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a long ass way to live, because he drank
Speaker 1: all that water, stay and hydrated. He was rated, extremely hydrated,
Speaker 1: the most hydrated man in this eighteen hundreds. Now. Hanman
Speaker 1: went to his grave believing that his decision to dose
Speaker 1: himself with china bark was a moment for human science
Speaker 1: on par with Newton being hit by an apple, and
Speaker 1: in some ways that is true. His violent reaction to
Speaker 1: quinine has forever altered the progress of medical science. Over
Speaker 1: the years, several medical professionals have tried, unsuccessfully to recreate
Speaker 1: his findings. One doctor who did so, representing the Board
Speaker 1: of Health, wrote, Chinchona, even in the preparation advocated by Hanman,
Speaker 1: did not cause fever in either healthy people or animals.
Speaker 1: This is a little weird, right. No one has ever
Speaker 1: been able to recreate the effects of Hanman's first groundbreaking experiment.
Speaker 1: But during my research I did come across one fascinating
Speaker 1: theory that might just explain this mystery. And Kiason on
Speaker 1: how homeopathy was really started. I've found an article by
Speaker 1: Dr William me Thomas, a Melbourne based physician and medical historian.
Speaker 1: He notes that quinine, the active ingredient in chinchona, is
Speaker 1: only toxic and higher doses than Hanman took. However, there
Speaker 1: are some people who are allergic to quina and the
Speaker 1: symptoms are startlingly similar to what Hanman himself reported. It
Speaker 1: can be concluded then that Hanman might have suffered from
Speaker 1: an allergy to quinine, which means that the fundamental foundation
Speaker 1: of homeopathy, like the idea that like cures like, is
Speaker 1: based on the fact that Dr Hanman had a rare
Speaker 1: allergic reaction to quinine when he took this bark, which
Speaker 1: is just the most human yeah element of this whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's very understandable. Yeah wow. Now, Billy Wayne
Speaker 1: side of of of who he's led in the Pandora's box,
Speaker 1: that is what part two is going to be excited about.
Speaker 1: Who comes in here because Samuel Hanman an imperfect person
Speaker 1: you can criticize in some ways, not really a bastard, No,
Speaker 1: not really a bastard, just just a dude who made
Speaker 1: some logical leaps that were not justified by the actual evidence,
Speaker 1: but that are understandable in the context at the time,
Speaker 1: and then really just kind of took some uh confirmation
Speaker 1: bias after that, a lot of confirmation bias, young French wife.
Speaker 1: You know that's distracting. Yep, then it would be very distracted.
Speaker 1: In part two, we are going to talk about some
Speaker 1: of the actual bastards, the horrible harvest in corpses that
Speaker 1: is Samuel Henman's modern day legacy, So a lot of
Speaker 1: dead babies. In part two, of course, there is yeah, yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: Billy Wayne, I feel like the right way to break
Speaker 1: up this game of tennis we're gonna play. I think
Speaker 1: we should go to five total points, and I think
Speaker 1: we should do the first two points at the end
Speaker 1: of this episode, and we will have the last three,
Speaker 1: assuming there's any pieces of this VHS state left. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, Sophie. So if he knows that when you
Speaker 1: grab a machette, you do it by the blade, that is,
Speaker 1: don't hurt Anderson. Please all right, Sophie, are you ready
Speaker 1: to ref Yeah? Okay, I thought it was Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna serve first. Okay, Now, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: play tennis. I don't think. I don't think this is
Speaker 1: how to play tennis. Let's see, all right, I do
Speaker 1: know one thing, which is that I was supposed to
Speaker 1: say zero serving zero, Right, that's how it starts. Right, No,
Speaker 1: it's isn't it? Love? Love is no? Love is zero?
Speaker 1: Isn't it? It's it's it's I don't find I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw the copy of basic instinct Well, I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to hit it at you, hit it, hit it back,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, all right, just get out of
Speaker 1: the way. I think what does that count as? I
Speaker 1: think that was a point? Hit the back, all right,
Speaker 1: Oh all right, it's it's one one. Your's this guy?
Speaker 1: I'm not good? Alright, alright, yeah, oh yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a good one. That was. It's holding up pretty well.
Speaker 1: You gotta give a credit. Alright, mm hmm, all right,
Speaker 1: it's it's too too. We're tied. We're tied, and the
Speaker 1: deep the v of basic instincts holding up surprising pretty well.
Speaker 1: Let's take it out of its case. See how we're
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's been cut so much is it in there?
Speaker 1: It's now in there. Yeah. I think we actually wedged
Speaker 1: it into the paper. That's awesome. Nice job guys, Nice
Speaker 1: job Paul Barrovan, great director. Billy you want to plug
Speaker 1: your plug doubles? Yes, b w D tour dot com
Speaker 1: slash tours all my live dates. Um, I'm coming to Atlanta, Seattle,
Speaker 1: Portland's Eugene, Cincinnati, Huntington, West Virginia, uh Birmingham, Alabama. See
Speaker 1: Billy Wayne live. Come see us a variety of bladed instruments,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, um, and continue listening to this podcast and
Speaker 1: also find it on the internet behind the Bastards dot
Speaker 1: com or at Bastards pod on Twitter and Instagram. There's
Speaker 1: also another podcast that exists by t shirts on public.
Speaker 1: What's that podcast called? Oh, it's called the Worst Year
Speaker 1: Ever and it's about politics. Wow, that sounds so dumb
Speaker 1: dumb dum dum dum dum dum dum. Anyway, tune in
Speaker 1: on Thursday to see who wins the game of what
Speaker 1: is definitely not tennis, not tennis, not at all. No, No,
Speaker 1: Anderson's were harmed in the making of this podcast. I'd
Speaker 1: just say I can't guarantee I can How do we
Speaker 1: like this thing? No? Robert, we're not likeing on first