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Speaker 1: What's absent my Machete's I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind the Bastards,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk about the worst people in

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Speaker 1: all of history. And today is a very sad day

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Speaker 1: because we've been kicked out of our regular recording studio

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Speaker 1: um by by an unnamed person and we forgot to

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Speaker 1: get the machete out. Uh, and I am very sad.

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Speaker 1: S s. Sophie As is my guest today, Mr Billy

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Speaker 1: Wayne David As. Hello, I'm it's not it's in the building,

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Speaker 1: so we're in the building. It's not like it's we

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Speaker 1: left it at home, which would be like that's a bummer,

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Speaker 1: that would be tragic. That's why that's the dedicated pot

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Speaker 1: cast machete. That makes sense. And then you guys, Robert

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Speaker 1: giving me the best gift. It's just it's a tactical

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Speaker 1: Can I say the brand? Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, gerber

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Speaker 1: I was very excited about that, which is a Portland's

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Speaker 1: USA made knife. It just now described the thing I've

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Speaker 1: already forgot exactly. Yeah. It's a it's designed as a

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Speaker 1: survival knife. So the hilt is made out of a

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Speaker 1: glass composite, which the purpose of that is so that

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Speaker 1: if you're in a in a vehicle that crashes, or

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Speaker 1: in an airplane that's crashed. It was originally designed for pilots.

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Speaker 1: You can cut your way out of the plane without

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Speaker 1: electrocuting yourself if you had a live wire um And

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Speaker 1: there's also a big glass breaking thing on the hill.

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Speaker 1: It's a solid knife. It just in It feels good

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Speaker 1: in the hand. Like a lot of these knives like this,

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Speaker 1: they're they're not. There's a lot of different kinds of knives.

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Speaker 1: And that's a metal stabbing knife, which is a special

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Speaker 1: kind of knife. Yeah, it's a knife that's meant for

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Speaker 1: going into what is essentially other knives. It's got that

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Speaker 1: thing that a good knife has where you're like, I

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Speaker 1: don't want someone to come at me now. And what

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Speaker 1: I what I like about that is because I don't

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Speaker 1: want to give someone a nice knife and not give

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Speaker 1: them a reason to use it. So once we get

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Speaker 1: the machete out of the room, I have something else

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Speaker 1: that I found. Well, I was up. I found a

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Speaker 1: VHS copy of Basic Instinct by Paul Verhoeven, the original

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Speaker 1: director's cut with a fake signature by Paul Verhoven. Inside

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Speaker 1: the cover of the VHS tape. I found it by

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Speaker 1: a trash pile. He's sincere he wrote that, he sincerely

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Speaker 1: wrote that he really did. And just so people know this,

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Speaker 1: this VHS copy is the wide screen letter box edition

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Speaker 1: that's critical includes the theatrical trailer too hot to be

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Speaker 1: shown in movie houses. And I figured, what we do

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Speaker 1: once we get a criterion collection, the Criterion collection it

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Speaker 1: to be on a VHS that's been hanging out near

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Speaker 1: a down on a TV that's got in a box.

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Speaker 1: Still smells a little bit like trash, but it's in

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Speaker 1: incredible shape, really incredible shape considering what it is. And

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Speaker 1: did you fly from with it? Yes, I flew. I

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Speaker 1: flew with it because I knew that this was the

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Speaker 1: only acceptable thing for us to use in a game

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Speaker 1: of tennis. Now, Billy, I don't know how to play tennis,

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Speaker 1: but I know it involves two people with stick shaped

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Speaker 1: I'd use machette, you'd use the knife, and we'd have

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Speaker 1: us a game of tennis over this recording space. This

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Speaker 1: is like a white trash version. Yes, Sophie can be

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Speaker 1: the ump that it's not what it's called. But what

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Speaker 1: I don't know official. I don't think up is it.

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Speaker 1: So if he's going to look up what it's actually

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Speaker 1: Basic Instinct in two nine, it's like a judge involved

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Speaker 1: line Judge, I don't know. I'm okay with all this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about tennis Empire, but it'll be fun

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Speaker 1: official I've seen in three different they serve as the

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Speaker 1: chief umpire, which is apparently a thing. Okay, So so

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Speaker 1: if he's going to be the chief Empire, Billy Wayne

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Speaker 1: will be taking on the role of Ratro Federer tennis

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Speaker 1: guy nailed, and I will be taking on the role

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Speaker 1: the really angry name? John McEnroe. John McEnroe. He's pretty

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Speaker 1: because you're here as the guest, I think everyone can

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Speaker 1: to talk about a fake doctor, or in this case,

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Speaker 1: a lot of fake doctors. Oh yeah, yeah, see today,

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Speaker 1: Billy Wayne, We're not just talking about a fake doctor.

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Speaker 1: Our subject this week might well be the king of

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Speaker 1: all fake doctors. Do you know the name Samuel Hanman. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about. Well, he is the man who invented homeopathy. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: sure he qualifies as a bastard. So we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: definitely be talking about some bastards. Would he be Can

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Speaker 1: I predict he might be a bastard because he opened

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Speaker 1: a certain door for other bastards. Yeah, I think he meant. Well,

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Speaker 1: It's like those in the South, large chunks of the

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Speaker 1: People may not know that, but you can buy Margarita's

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Speaker 1: Dacories are the big one in Louisiana. Oh god, just

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Speaker 1: get into the story now. Christian Friedrich Samuel Hanman was

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Speaker 1: yourself to death. Classic German seventeen hundreds birthday. Samuel was

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Speaker 1: him in from the shiney boss. It'll be good. Handman's father,

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Speaker 1: to give an account on his father's return. This contributed

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Speaker 1: like magic. Uh. It transmutes a podcast that is free

424
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: into money for me. It's good. It's good. See, nobody

425
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: can explain that. Nobody knows how that works. Us service.

426
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: We're back and we're furious. I want we want the machete.

427
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: So easy episode. It just feels like our episode is

428
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: like it could be one thing and it's going to

429
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: be another thing. This is like a well you you

430
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 1: brought that VHS from I brought it from from the

431
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 1: city's name that we will bleep out, Oh you don't

432
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: want people to know where you live. It's a little

433
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: we would be quite about a little bit. It's not

434
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: all people where he lives. A solid point. You brought that.

435
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: Let's take that back across the country, across the country,

436
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: across the nation with this old VHS copy of Basic Instinct.

437
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: It's in great it's in great ship does have an odor,

438
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: but that's fine. And it has a fake signature that

439
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: might funny. Yeah, there's no way to know. Um, we're

440
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: still sulfur. We're still waiting for the podcast. I'm going

441
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: to go get it machete. Sophie's going to break in throom.

442
00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: Do you need two knives? Yeah, you got it. We

443
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: got it. We're back, We're back, and we have just

444
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: we have liberated the podcasting God damn it. We are

445
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: a fucking duo are We liberated the podcasting machete from

446
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: an unnamed other podcast that was recording, which is very

447
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: bad to do normally, but when it was an emergency.

448
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: Now we have both the machete and the Billy Wayne

449
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: Davis dagger on the table. This thing is dope. We're

450
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: ready to play. By the way that that sheath has

451
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: a sharpener in it right in the middle. I mean,

452
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: so you take that, you take that strap out. You're

453
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: in the field, off the land. Use my little gerber now,

454
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: I use my little spider cat. Last night when we

455
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: were eating steak, but this would have immediately like you

456
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: could kill a wild cow with that. There were wild

457
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: cows all over the current. That could have been you

458
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of us. I'm very proud of us.

459
00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: That was a beautiful like tag team mothers on mission

460
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: that just went really well, really well. We we liberated

461
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: our machete for the from the fearsome name bleeped, and

462
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: uh it was great, very fearsome, very fearsome name bleeped,

463
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: very fearsome name bleeped. Anyway, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to

464
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: this podcast. Welcome, welcome, welcome. So um, yeah, it was

465
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: a good mission, you guys. Yeah. So the evidence I

466
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: found makes it seem that, like Samuel Hahnman's, the kind

467
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: of ideas that would eventually turn into homeopathy were more

468
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: rooted in the occult stuff he learned when he was

469
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: with the Masons than the stuff he learned in actual

470
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: medical school. And the ironic thing is that this wasn't

471
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: really a bad thing. That's what I was going to

472
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: say that there is that part like he's like he's

473
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: learned the placebo effect of yeah, medicine and people's mental

474
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: capacity of stuff. Yeah, y. In the seventeen hundreds, medicine

475
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: was mostly dangerous nonsense. Um as this nineteen seventy right

476
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: up on homeopathy from the University of Washington makes pretty clear.

477
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: It's people dumber than Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies. We're

478
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: pretending to be doctors. Granny knew some ship the point

479
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: and a couple of herbs that did some things. That's

480
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: the point of exact. People dumber than Granny. People dumber

481
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: than Granny. Yeah, Granny was a drunk. Was a drunk.

482
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: In the first decades of the nineteenth century, medical therapy

483
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: consisted mainly in bleeding, purging, vomiting, the application of leeches

484
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: in the ingestion of an array of powerful chemical drugs.

485
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: Their combined effect was often greatly debilitating and toxic to patients.

486
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: The prevailing therapeutical confusion alternated in action, doing little while

487
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: waiting for the so called healing powers of nature to

488
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: take over, with aggressiveness plunging patients into acute anemias and

489
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: loss of bodily fluids through the use of so called

490
00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: depleting methods inherited from earlier times. So that's medicine inherited, inherited. Yeah.

491
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: After four semesters in medical school in seventeen seventy seven,

492
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: Samuel will move to Vienna and spent three months working

493
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Speaker 1: with a doctor Kuarin the personal doctor for Impress Maria Theresia.

494
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: The good Doctor did not charge Samuel for his tutelage,

495
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: but sam was still chronically short of cash. Thankfully, Doctor

496
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: Kuarin introduced him to the Governor of Transylvania, who offered

497
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: him a gig as his family physician. At least that's

498
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: what she live the homeopath says. The University of Washington,

499
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: by contrast, claims his main job was working as the

500
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: governor's library assistant and organizing his coin collection. So again,

501
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: the homeopaths like, ah, he worked as the personal doctor

502
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: to the Governor of Transylvania, And the more historical sources

503
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: I found say that, like, no, he organized a coin collection.

504
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: So she is taking his whole She very takes him,

505
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: very seriously. She's a homeopath. Well she's doing what he's doing,

506
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: which is like, I know what you said, but I

507
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: know a little better. I know a little bit better. Yeah,

508
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: that's it's kind of he gets the game, she gets

509
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: the gig. She has some interesting takes on autism too

510
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: for you, but I don't want to know those. In

511
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: the seventeen seventy nine, Samuel grew tired of organizing coins.

512
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: He moved to er Langen and attended that university where

513
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: he finished his medical degree. After his graduation, hey, hey,

514
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: step ahead of most, step ahead of he did most

515
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: of the doctors that we talked about. He got a

516
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: medical he got the degree. So we're okay, you see

517
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: where this is getting murky. Time for him to move

518
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: to Mexico, jerking off in val after his graduation. Samuelill

519
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: spent the years between seventeen and seventy nine and seventeen

520
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: eighty five. Is a nomadic wanderer, moving more than a

521
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: dozen times to different towns and cities in Germany. He

522
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: grew interested in chemistry in Dessow, largely because he started

523
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: fucking the town apothecary's daughter. According to the University of Watching,

524
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: her name was chemistry, where her name was chemistry according

525
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: to the University of Washington quote. His gradual alienation from

526
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: contemporary medicine and medical practices emerged during his stay in

527
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: the town of Gern. He was severely critical of the

528
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: deplorable conditions in a nearby asylum for the insane. In

529
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: five he became a health officer for the city of Dresden,

530
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: where for long years he aroused only hostility and contempt

531
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: from physicians and apothecary. He's get away yeah and again,

532
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: and he's kind of in the right, like he sees

533
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: how fund up medicine isn't He gets piste at it.

534
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: That does seem to be true. That like at this

535
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: point as a working doctor, he's like, things are wrong. Yeah,

536
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: this is you're not They keep coming back. Yeah, that's

537
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: not what we want. Yeah, that's not what we want.

538
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: But lucky ones come back. The unlucky ones just die

539
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: in the hole that we put them in, in the

540
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: sick person hole. And he's like, well, I'm also the undertaker,

541
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: so I'm doing all right. Yeah. There were a lot

542
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: of those doctor undertakers. Doctor Undertaker and Dr Barber were

543
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: probably the two most common doctor mash up jobs. My

544
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: goal was to be a doctor bartender. I think that's

545
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: a good goal. It's a golf pro doctor. Golf pro doctor,

546
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: and be a good one. The reason for Hanmann's ostracization

547
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: from the medical mainstream community had a lot to do

548
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: with his first ration over how patients were treated by doctors.

549
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: The physicians of his day focused entirely on understanding the

550
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: nature of illness. Patients were treated more as collections of

551
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: symptoms than human beings, and Samuel became an advocate of

552
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: a more whole person focused approach to treating patients, which

553
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: he believed would yield better results. And he's not wrong.

554
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: He's not wrong. It's it's interesting because he's not he's

555
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: not wrong, and that that makes for a better experience

556
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: for the patient and that can have a positive impact

557
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: on treating them. Um. There's also an argument to be

558
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: made that like all these years of doctors just focusing

559
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: on the symptoms and like basically just like trying to

560
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: figure out why people were dying and then cutting them

561
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: up after they died was necessary to figure out how

562
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: to perform medicine more effectively, Like you kind of needed

563
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: those kind of crappy centuries. Um, so it's it's it's

564
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: it's like, well, all we know about pregnant ladies and pregnancy.

565
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: The Nazis did all the experimentations, Like when we went

566
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: in and we're like, hey, we found those files and

567
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: we're like, hey, you shouldn't have done this, but we're

568
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: gonna here. That's that's a bit of a myth. There

569
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: were a couple of things that were found out by it,

570
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, they like most of the not Like, there

571
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: was some useful stuff that was discovered in like the

572
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: horrible experiments that were carried on concentration camps, but the

573
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: vast majority of it was nonsense. Was just like injecting

574
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: dies into twins eyeballs to see if it changed the

575
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: other twins eye. Like for every legitimate thing they discovered, um,

576
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: there were like ten things that were like, yeah, we

577
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: didn't need to even test this. We all could have

578
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: told you you're not going to change one twin by

579
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: shooting poison into the other. But now we know, now

580
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: we know it is. It isn't they're bad guys, Yeah,

581
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: yeah we are. Yeah yeah, but we found a group

582
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: of us. Well do a whole Well, we'll have you

583
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: here for the episode of Nazi Doctors. It's gonna be

584
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: a fun episode of the show. Good God, Sophie's gonna

585
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: love it because we get to make a lot of

586
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: Sophie's choice jokes. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah sure sure. So.

587
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: In seventeen ninety, while working in Dresden, Hanman got up

588
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: to some work translating an old manuscript about Chinchona bark

589
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: also called China bark, which was known to be an

590
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: effective treatment from malarial fever. Unlike most treatments at the time,

591
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: Chinchona bark absolutely did work. The leading theory as to

592
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: why was that the substance was an astringent, But this

593
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: reasoning didn't smell right to Hanman. He had tried out

594
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: substances far more astringent than Shinchona bark on fever patients

595
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: and did not have any effect. Uh. The actual reason

596
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: that Jinchona bark worked on fevers is that it had

597
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: quinine in it, which is like an actual medicine and

598
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: of things that get people from hilaria. So like, obviously

599
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: Chinchona bark helps with malarial fever. Um. So they knew

600
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: that this thing worked, and they were right that had

601
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: helped with fevers. They just didn't know why the thing

602
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, And and Hanman was right in that

603
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: when he was like, no, no, no no, y'all's reasoning for

604
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: why this works is wrong. Um. And then he tried

605
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: to figure out the real reason why it worked and

606
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: became even more wrong, but in a weird way. To

607
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: try and figure out why Chinchona bark helped with malarial fever,

608
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: Hanman started experimenting on himself. He had a sizeable dose

609
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: of the bark and noted its effect on him, as

610
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: he wrote in his notes, quote, my feet, finger ends,

611
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: et cetera. At first became cold, I grew languid and drowsy.

612
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: Then my heart began to palpitate, and my pulse grew

613
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: hard and small and tolerable. Anxiety, trembling, prostration all throughout

614
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: all my limbs. Then pulsation in the head, redness of

615
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: my cheeks, thirst, and in short, all these symptoms which

616
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: are ordinarily characteristic of intermittent fever made their appearance, one

617
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: after the other, yet without the peculiar chili, shivering, rigor

618
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: briefly even those symptoms which are of regular occurrence, and

619
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: especially characteristic as the dulness of mind, the kind of rigidity,

620
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: and all the limbs, but above all the numb disagreeable

621
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: sensation which seems to have its seed, and the pero

622
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: steum over every bone in the body. All these made

623
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: their appearance. This paroxysm lasted two or three hours each time,

624
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: and recurred if I repeated this dose, not otherwise I

625
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: discontinued it and was in good health. So he has

626
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: like a really bad reaction to this ship kind of

627
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: like a fee that's his that's his interpretation of its Like, oh,

628
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: this taking this fever treatment feels like a fever to me.

629
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: So Hanman was struck by a revelation as a result

630
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: of this. If this bark cured fevers but also gave

631
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: him a fever when he took it while he was healthy,

632
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: maybe that meant sicknesses were cured by substances that acted

633
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: similarly to the illness they were treating. I can see

634
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: the logic. You can see the logic in that. You

635
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: can see like, it's not He's not a dumb person

636
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: at this stage in medical development for being like, oh,

637
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: maybe this is what's going on. Well, that's the steps

638
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: you would take, I guess, just to figure stuff out.

639
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: I can see how a smart person would be like, oh, ship,

640
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: I think I think I figured something out. And I

641
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: think I'm saying that because that's what I would do.

642
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: That's what And there's there actually is some not in

643
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: his particular conclusion of it, but like vaccines essentially worked

644
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: that way. He's he's wrong for the right reasons, I guess,

645
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: you could say, or like he's there are some things

646
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: in medicine that work, like what on men realizes here

647
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: his His main problem is that he generalizes way too much. Um,

648
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: that's humans, Yeah, that's humans exactly. Yes, but again, you see,

649
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: I have trouble. This guy's an imperfect person and we'll

650
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: get to some of his character flaws a little later

651
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: to um. But he's not a bastard. No, he's not.

652
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: He's not a bastard. He's doing his best in an

653
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: era where nobody knows anything about medicine. But he Yeah,

654
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: and he's one of the few people raising his eyebrow

655
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: to everything, being like, I don't know. You can think

656
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: y'all are wrong, and he's right, but he's wrong too.

657
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer. Yeah, yeah, but that idea.

658
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: But he does eventually get to the point where he

659
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: feels like he knows the answer. So yeah. Hanman, based

660
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: on this single experiment, worked up a bold new theory

661
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: of medical science, which he summarized with the now infamous

662
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: line like here's like, okay, that's one of these is

663
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: more facts of homeopathy to get your thing, though, and

664
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 1: you do need something catching. It's like, uh, in order

665
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: to beat Donald Trump, a dottering ill old man, we

666
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: need another daughtering ill old man whose eye fills with

667
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: blood at random intervals. I don't think we need that one. Nope,

668
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna happen. Billy, Wayne fucking hope, you're so wrong.

669
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: We've all decided glad you gave me that knife. I

670
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: think that that is well, no, I hope not. But

671
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: if you travel at all, like damn it like like

672
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: here's like it's like when we when when when Mitt

673
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: Romney and uh, a violent Christian extremist ran for president,

674
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: the only person to beat them was Barack Obama, who

675
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: was essentially uh not Mit Romney. Jesus, I sucked this

676
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: up entirely. M hmm. I I don't know. It's it's

677
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: like how Barack Obama and John McCain are the same person. Yeah, see,

678
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. Just this didn't work at

679
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: all for a woman, Okay, continue a woman. That's not

680
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: like caring like Sophie. That's that's love caring. Like that's

681
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: not homeopathy kind of homeopathy. Yeah. So, Handman's basic idea

682
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: was that medicines treated illness by causing similar symptoms and

683
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: the patient. And thus when you had when you dose

684
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: someone with something that made them sick and they were

685
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: already sick, the two sick because his was canceled each

686
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: other out. Now you may recognize this as the same

687
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: medical reasoning and that one episode where Mr Burns goes

688
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: to the doctor and they realized that he has all

689
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 1: of the diseases. Guy, your illnesses are perfect balance. That's

690
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: that's literally Hanman's like like revelation as a result of

691
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: making himself sick on Cinchona Bark, Oh yeah, you just

692
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: kill it. It's like his thing is like you faught

693
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: fire with fire. It's kind of like that the problem

694
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: came to him and you're on fire. He was like,

695
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: just give him some more him a little bit more fire,

696
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: that's going to give him. I mean that is kind

697
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: of hedy with wildfires, but not in the same way.

698
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: But not humans. But not a human fire. I do understand.

699
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: You do understand how that works. It's kind of like

700
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: the vaccine versus Yeah. Yeah, no, it is a vaccine

701
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: for fire's Yes, a little bit of fire. I'll cure

702
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: this fire. Yeah, we control it before it does it itself. Yeah,

703
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: that's that's problem with over generalizing. Yeah it is. Yeah,

704
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: because I did try to stop a kitchen fire once

705
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: by just lighting other parts of the kitchen on fire

706
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 1: and that did not work. That doesn't work. That doesn't work.

707
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: Or put um water on a grease fire. Do you

708
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: know that? Nope, But if you put grease on a

709
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: water fire that, if you've got water on fire, then

710
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: you are you are the city of Cleveland. Yes, yes,

711
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: you are. You guys cat your river. Every time I

712
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: make fun of Cleveland for the river being on fire

713
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: that like five times that it caught on fire, they

714
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: point out how clean it is today, and I'm like,

715
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, because all the stuff burned up is

716
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: the poison burned death the river us. He cleaned it.

717
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna let Cleveland live that one down. They

718
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: don't care. They don't care, they don't They've been drunk

719
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: the whole time. I love Cleveland. It's fun. You can

720
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: mess anything up. They don't notice. She got mad. Sophie's

721
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: is a Cleveland stand No. I was just thinking about

722
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: the only thing that they got mad at Boz when

723
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: Lebron loved well, I'd be mad about that too. That's

724
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: the only thing they have. Yeah, well he left, he's

725
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: ours now, Well he's no one's beautiful. Lebron James belongs

726
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: to the world. He has a precious Jim. He was

727
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: a precious, is a precious Jim, possibly one of the

728
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: people least fit for this podcast. Yeah, he's so nice.

729
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: Every move he makes is great. Yeah, he's he's a

730
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: class act. He's Shack unlike Shack. No, he's like Shack.

731
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: Oh he's like Shack. Yeah. I like Shack. I like

732
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: Shack too. Shack's great. Shack is right, Dion, Chack is great.

733
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: But I mean he's definitely not as nice of a

734
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: person as Lebron James. I feel like now we're just

735
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: now we're just splitting very large, tall hairs. I don't

736
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: want to like continue with you continue the podcast. You

737
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: do host? I do? I do host a podcast. So

738
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: the logic of Hanman's idea that like cures like was

739
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: reinforced a few years later when Dr Edward Jenner invented

740
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: the first smallpox vaccine. This worked by, you know, essentially

741
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: introducing a small sample of the disease into a patient

742
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: to immunize them. Now, today we know that what Jenner

743
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: did with his vaccine is very different than what Hanman proposed,

744
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: but at the time, giving the information available, you could

745
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: be forgiven for taking Jenner's breakthrough is more evidence that

746
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: Hanman was on the right track. Mademan insufferable. He definitely was.

747
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: That happens after this point. Ah, he's been telling you all.

748
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: I figured it out. Who told you? Clearly? This is

749
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: the same thing. Damn it. Electrified by his study, Samuel

750
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: will Hanman began a series of experiments to develop what

751
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: he will eve would be a whole new and much

752
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: more valid school of medicine, since the underlying theory behind

753
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: it all was that light cures like he called his

754
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: new system homeopathy. On his first book on the subject,

755
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: he wrote, to obtain a quick and lasting cure, choose

756
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: for every attack or illness a substance that which can

757
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: produce a similar malady to the one it is to cure.

758
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: Modern day homeopaths still cite this experiment as one of

759
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: the greatest developments in the history of mankind. One modern

760
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: text book claims Chinchona bark was to Hanman what the

761
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: falling apple was to Newton and the swinging lamp to Galileo.

762
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Hanman launched next into a series of bold experiments, both

763
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: on himself and on his children, his wife, and his students.

764
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Speaker 1: In his first book, Fragmented Deirebus, he asserted that he

765
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: had experienced a hundred and twenty two different symptoms from

766
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: ingesting chinchona bark, which suggested, uh it must have a

767
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: wide ranging medical application. Likewise, Samuel had listed a hundred

768
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: and seventy four known symptoms with the consumption of green peppers.

769
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: Um so I deal with health problems by it and

770
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: peppers hundred and seventy four them. Although you know this

771
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: is obviously not real medicine, but it also seems pretty harmless,

772
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: like eating eating green peppers isn't going to cure anything,

773
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna make you worse. Unfortunately, the very

774
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: logic of light cures like led Hanman inevitably towards experiments

775
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: with literal poisons. Martin Gumper, one of his biographers, wrote,

776
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: day after day he tested medicines on himself and others.

777
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: He collected histories of cases of poisoning. His purpose was

778
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: to establish a physiological doctrine of medical remedies free from

779
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: all suppositions, based solely on experiments. Hanman sent his children

780
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: into the fields to collect hinbane, sumach and deadly nightshade.

781
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: They grew up like young priests of the Esclepion of

782
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: costs they felt the leaves, blossoms and tubers with small

783
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: but expert hands. Everyone was obliged to join in the work,

784
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: for there was no other way to succeed in his

785
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: titanic plan of rescuing the wealth of natural remedies from

786
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: the quagmire of textbooks and displaying it in the bright

787
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: light of experience. The family huddled together, and every free

788
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: moment of every one of them, from the oldest to

789
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: the youngest, was made of for the testing of medicines

790
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: and the gathering of the most precise information on their

791
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: observed effects. So he sends his kids out in the

792
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: field to grab poison and take it. So that's good.

793
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: That's how your kids. There are his kids, He owns them.

794
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: That's his He's a doctor. He's a doctor. It was

795
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: an exciting time for Hanman and his family. Unfortunately, which

796
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: ones are going to die. It was not an exciting

797
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: time for many of his patients. Uh. And I'm gonna

798
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: quote now from the A. C. S. H is right

799
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: up on homeopathy, having a masked, voluminous pseudo knowledge by

800
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: pairing many specific vile substances, in particular diseases who symptoms

801
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: most resembled the effects he attributed to those substances. Hanman

802
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: set up shop as the original homeopath. He would begin

803
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: his consultations by putting wearisomely. Numerous questions to the patient

804
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: their applies would contribute to his building a picture of

805
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: the patient's condition, a picture based exclusively on these replies,

806
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: the patient's appearance, and Hanman's supposedly God given intuition. For example,

807
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: if the patient had a gray pallor, was sweating profusely,

808
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: and said that he or she suffered from abdominal cramps,

809
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: Hanman would in effect look up gray pallors, sweating, and

810
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: abdominal cramps. In his tome, used cross references to narrow

811
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: down possible remedies, and us decide that strict nine, a

812
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: toxic alkaloid, was the I don't care for the patient's condition,

813
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: and it'll make it stop. It will make it, it

814
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: will it will stop a lot. Yes, it'll make it stop.

815
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: Strict nine causes sweating and horrific cramps itself, so it

816
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: seemed like a logical treatment for a patient exhibiting those

817
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: same symptoms. Unfortunately, giving literal poison to sick people is

818
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: likelier to kill them than cure them. That's that was okay, good,

819
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure you were

820
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: going to say that. Yeah, that's where this is heading.

821
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: He kills a lot of people because of the poisons.

822
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: Because of the poisons, it turns out that's bad. Is

823
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: his defense. The you have to let me fail. If

824
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: I have succeeded in curing one patient, it's only because

825
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: I failed on nine. It's a numbers game. You kill

826
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: a hundred percent of the patients you don't treat. That

827
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: is That's what Wayne Gretzky said, Doctor Reverend Dr Wayne Gretzky.

828
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: That's his famous ah my headphones fell off. That can

829
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: only mean it's time for an ad plug. Billy waye okay,

830
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: before before, before we do the ad plug. You want

831
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: to touch tips here? I always want to touch with

832
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: our with our blades products. So good, we're back, Sophie.

833
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: You're making a strange face. What's up? I feel left out.

834
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't have a weapon here here you get to

835
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: mind you have this? Why? Thank you? Billy welcome, pull

836
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: out my knife. I get the machettire thanks, Robert. Okay, alright, cool, alright,

837
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: let's let's touch tips and and commit recommit ourselves. To

838
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: the study of bastardry before we get back to this topic. Oh,

839
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: that's good, it's going to be great content for the

840
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: audio podcast we Metal on Metal. Yeah, everybody loves the

841
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: sound of metal on Metal almost as much as they

842
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: sent love the sound of Cody's time machine. That was

843
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: so crazy. That was horrible. It was disgusting. Now, Uh,

844
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: that's a metaphor for something disgusting. It's a literal of something.

845
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: Discovery Johnston made the most horrifying what he thought was

846
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: a sound effect for a time machine. It sounds like

847
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: sounded like cockroaches performing oral sex. Yeah, it wasn't. It

848
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: was like no terrible, speaking of terrible. Uh. Samuel Hahnman's

849
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: practice of giving poison to sick people uh worked out

850
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: terribly uh and killed a huge number of them. Quote.

851
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: For stomach pains. He regularly prescribed quart aouns doses of mercury.

852
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: He instructed one, so much mercury. That's like, that's like

853
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: twenty thermometers worth of mercury, and that's going to hurt you.

854
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: That is not going to help, not coming back. He

855
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: instructed one poor soul to take half an ounce of

856
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: sulfuric acid in the morning, another half ounce later that day.

857
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: I do not think they made it to the second.

858
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: If you get to the end of the day, take

859
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: a little more, take a little bar. If you make it.

860
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: You can just imagine that person making it through and

861
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: then just being like, all right, you gotta taken I

862
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to do it again. That second

863
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: dose just falls right out through the whole made it through.

864
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: Oh God. Yeah. A purported healing system that Hanman asserted

865
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: God had revealed to him was having devilish effects on

866
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: his patients who were dropping like flies. Them with a

867
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: big pad of paper and just one Nope, no, that one. No,

868
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: it's not the solution. Not nope. And I'm guessing it

869
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: was like for heartburn or something. It's like, oh, your

870
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: heart's burning. Huh. I think I know what'll deal with this.

871
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: Burn your heart back. You want to burn your heart

872
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: back into alignment. To drink some fucking acid drink? Oh boy? Yeah?

873
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: So you know, was it bubbling? That's the carbonation some

874
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: doctors might have you know, realized from all of these

875
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: dead people, uh, that this theory of like curing like

876
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: maybe was not as universally applicable as Hanman thought. But

877
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: Samuel Hanman did not make that decision. Instead, he decided

878
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: that his theory just needed a little bit of alteration.

879
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: M you know, you don't need you don't want to,

880
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: You don't want to scrap a whole medical theory just

881
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: because you burn a couple of people to death with acid. Yeah,

882
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: he has looked up in his his healing poal was

883
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: a lot smaller than the dead body pie. And that

884
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean that does mean you need to rejigger some things. Yeah,

885
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: math's wrong. The math's not right. We're going out here now.

886
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: To adjust his theory, Hanman turned back to his Masonic

887
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: and occult roots. He added a new stage to the treatment.

888
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: Instead of just dosing his patients with fatal poisons and

889
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: watching them die horribly, he began deluding said poisons to

890
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: a ridiculous extent. He'd start by adding ninety nine drops

891
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: of alcohol to one drop of the actual substance, and

892
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: then he would shake the mixture to potentialize it and

893
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: activate its magical power. Potentialize potentialize that they still do that.

894
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: You gotta shake this ship. Obviously, you don't shake. It

895
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: doesn't work. It's like one of those it's like one

896
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: of those uh five hour energies. Yeah, you gotta shake it,

897
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: gotta shake it. He would then delude it further, adding

898
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: drops of water to one drop of this one C mixture,

899
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: and that would create a two C mixture, and so

900
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: on down the line, until essentially nothing was left of

901
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: the original substance. Of course, this was placebo. It's just

902
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: a placebo. But to Hanman, he saw this instantly have

903
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: a massive positive effect about his patients, because it's way

904
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: better to give someone water than strict nine. Yes, yes,

905
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: I didn't go to I mean allegedly, I don't know

906
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: for a fact, but that's doing the medical school. I'm

907
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: not a doctor, but I think was suggested that to me. Yeah,

908
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: I think if you drink water, it'll make you feel better.

909
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: Aren't you both red doctors? We haven't. We haven't gone

910
00:48:54,480 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: to Haiti to bleach people. This is the bleach part that, yeah, understand,

911
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: But I want that sweet, sweet, I want that title

912
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: you take. Uh, just what if we make our own program?

913
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: How do we become accredited to give people fake medical degrees?

914
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: This is American? We're just like, Oh, I don't think

915
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: it's probably as hard as we think it is. Yeah,

916
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: we got to find someone who owns a small college

917
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: and then give us an honorary doctorate. You know who's

918
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: let's talk to Uh oh, what's his Liberty They're in trouble, right,

919
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: Liberty University. We just did an episode of I bet

920
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: we could get that. Yeah, they need some help right now,

921
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: they need some help right now. Let's get in bed

922
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: with the fallwells. Yeah, what could go wrong? No, well,

923
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: we'll get in the pool with the follow Oh yeah,

924
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: have you seen that stuff about the trainers? Yeah? Boy, yeah,

925
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: what what does his name? Want one? It's so, I'm

926
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: proudest of him. He did well, he did he did

927
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: very well. Every movie made. I was a boy. There's

928
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: a good solid man now. Uh so, obviously, Hanman starts

929
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: deluding his literal poison, and he notices massive improvements and

930
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: his surviving patients um dehydrated anymore. Yeah, it's great. Nor

931
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: are my insides liquefying? It's now to Hanman, this proved

932
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: he was on the right track. He added the aphorism

933
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: less is more to like cures like, and together these

934
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: two facts laid the cornerstone of homeopathic medicine. Yep, Hanman's diaries.

935
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: If his less is more period included much alchemic and

936
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: astrologic symbol I'm sorry I'm quoting here from uh that

937
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: that right up? They all understand marketing. Oh yeah, yeah

938
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: to it like a degree that most people. I wonder

939
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: with Hanman though, I wonder if he's just this is

940
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 1: just kind of how science works when you know less,

941
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: everyone's dying from everyone's treatments because they're all bad. Like

942
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 1: we we laugh about him giving someone a quarter ounce

943
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: of mercury because that's debt terrible, but also like normal

944
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: doctors who weren't homeopaths, we're also giving people and we

945
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: know that you don't do that because of them. Yeah,

946
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: there is that. Yeah, So I think it's very possible

947
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: that Hanman is just he's making some clearly some logical

948
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: failures and being like, now when I deluded it, they

949
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: got better. That means deluding it makes the medicine stronger,

950
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: or it's like no, no that's not that's not quite it.

951
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: The stuff is killing them and you're giving them less stuff.

952
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: You just stopped poisoning them. He's like, or or what

953
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: less is more? Yeah? Or the saying yeah, so he

954
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: he started, you know, spending his nights shaking and mixing

955
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: and cooking up all sorts of magical cures for people.

956
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: Um and over time, Hanman grew to delude his medicines

957
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: more and more. In seventeen nine, while he was based

958
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: in a small town called Konnig Saluter, an outbreak of

959
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: scarlet fever hit the community. Hanman thought the symptoms of

960
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: the disease headaches and wide open eyelids with a dull,

961
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: staring look, were similar the effects he'd observed on his

962
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: friends and family when he dosed them with atropine. To

963
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: see what would happen. Following the theory of like curing like,

964
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: he dosed patients with atropine. Thankfully, it was an extremely

965
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: deluded one thirty two solution. Uh so you know what,

966
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: it was, basically water. I'm gonna quote from the University

967
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: of Washington here. The reason for deluding the drug was

968
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: Hanman's awareness that drugs were often responsible for aggregating existing

969
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: diseases or introducing new ones with contemporary dosages. Still believing

970
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: he was observing drug effects, he gradually gave his pure

971
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: drugs and greater delusions. Hanman rationalized this action by speculating

972
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: that an illness the body was enormously more sensitive to

973
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: drugs than in health. He's making a lot of logical

974
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: leaps here, it's interest. Yeah. And here's the question. Is

975
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: he also dosing himself? Yes, so he's just getting madder

976
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: and madder. Yeah, I I I do suspect that's having

977
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: an impact because he gave himself a lot of poisons. Yeah,

978
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure kids affect the mind. You don't hear much

979
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: about his kids. Well, well, all that mercury. Yeah. Now,

980
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: he continued his tactic of deluding his medication until things

981
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: reach their current point of homeopathic absurdity. A modern homeopathic

982
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: treatment for the common cold would be a six C

983
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: solution of onion, white onion, because when you cut an onion,

984
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: your nose gets all stuffed up like it does when

985
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: you have a cold. Man. Yeah. Now, if you're wondering

986
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: how much actual onion is in a six C delution,

987
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: well I'm gonna quote from the A C s h

988
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: is right up again. A six C onion concentration would

989
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: result if one filled whimbley stadium to the roof with

990
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: water and added one drop of an onion mother tincture.

991
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: A twelve C onion concentration and a homeopathic pill is

992
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: equivalent to that which would result of one added a

993
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: single drop of onion mother tincture to a body of

994
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: water the size of the Atlantic Ocean. So he's just

995
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: he's just giving them water. Kind of depends on how

996
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: are you doing this. It's like an onion version of lacroix. Yeah,

997
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: it's like more concentrated or more diluted. Lacroixis a lot

998
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: stronger than homeopath. Is someone in the next stroom cutting onions, Like, no,

999
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: that's the medicine. That's the medicine. But we did make

1000
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: it by having someone in the next room cut onions

1001
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: and we took the smell of it and sprinkled it

1002
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: on the water. They're actually getting into what is the

1003
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: problem one of the modern problems with homeopathic medicine, But

1004
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: that's gonna wait until part two. They don't always delude

1005
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: it so much. Now. The ironic thing about all this

1006
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: is that Hanman's nonsense medicine actually saved a huge number

1007
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: of lives during this period of time. This is not

1008
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: because his cure has worked, but it is because real

1009
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: doctors in this period we're prescribing people poison. Most sicknesses

1010
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: suffered by most people get better on their own after

1011
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 1: enough time, if you just don't give people deadly poisons.

1012
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: So Hanman's patients would start taking his nonsense water, they

1013
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: would heal of their body's own accord, and they would

1014
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: avoid going to a regular doctor who would have probably

1015
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: tried to drill a hole in their brain to let

1016
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: the ghosts out. In this way, completely by accident, Samuel

1017
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: Hahnman did succeed in advancing the frontiers of medical science

1018
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: in a major way. I want to quote from the

1019
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three book The March of Medicine. However we

1020
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: may judge Hanman's theory, one thing must be admitted. It

1021
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: led to a decisive change in medical thought. Clear Headed

1022
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: doctors realized that a minimum dose of an ineffectual substance

1023
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: such as homeopaths used, was tantamount to giving no treatment.

1024
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: If the sick recovered all the same, and this could

1025
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: not be disputed, it must be a matter of self healing.

1026
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: Homeopathic treatment, in other words, no treatment was often far better.

1027
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: So basically doctors start realizing, like, Okay, this guy has

1028
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: given people nothing. We know that. We know that like

1029
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: his because we knew math, like you know Avogadro's number

1030
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: and Shi at this point, we know this is just

1031
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: water and his patients are doing better than ours. Maybe

1032
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: we suck. Maybe we're bad at this, and we need

1033
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: to really fundamentally change how we do medicine. And Hanman

1034
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: was a big part of that realization. That's really nice. Yeah,

1035
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: and then it's also like you think there's a period.

1036
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: Really maybe if we send our patients to the ghost

1037
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: we let out of their brain, that would help. Yeah,

1038
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: that they try, we're doing. They send a lot of

1039
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: patients to the ghosts that they let out of their

1040
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: brain to it just seems like probably a step they

1041
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: went through. Yeah, it wasn't an even march of progress.

1042
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: That dude was the doctor and we let that ghost

1043
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: out of his brain. Let's see what the doctor ghost now,

1044
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: and he didn't give them poison. So the ghost doctor

1045
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: was a better doctor than the actual doctors. Yeah, the

1046
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: ghost doctor would absolutely be a better I would rather

1047
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: go to a ghost doctor in this period than Hanman

1048
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: or a regular doctor. The more and more I come

1049
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: to these more and more I realized like, oh, it

1050
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: makes sense, we've destroyed this planet. Yeah, we're not We're

1051
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: not a smart species. Yeah, it's crazy. It took us

1052
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: this more. Yeah. No, we've really made a lot of progress.

1053
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: For as dumb as we are. It's kind of inspiring

1054
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: when you think about it that way. We're doing all

1055
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: right well. Real doctors took the apparent success of Hanman's

1056
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: methods as a reason to revise their tactics. Samuel himself

1057
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: continue to plow forward and develop his treatments into a

1058
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: wide ranging belief system. Homeopathy was immediately popular with patients

1059
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. Um from a report in the Anctional

1060
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: Institutes of Health quote, the differences between orthodox medicine and

1061
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: homeopathy could hardly be more vivid. From its beginning, homeopathy

1062
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: always began with a long consultation lasting at least an hour,

1063
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: in which all aspects of the patient's illness and life

1064
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: were discussed. Homeopaths like to stress that they practice holistic

1065
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: medicine and the appropriate treatment chosen. In contrast, during the

1066
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: first half of the nineteenth century, when homeopathy was becoming established,

1067
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: orthodox medicine was immersed in the belief that advances and

1068
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: understanding disease could only come from a detailed correlation of

1069
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: symptoms and signs of the sick patient. On the ward

1070
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: and the findings that autopsy clinical pathological correlation. So these

1071
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: orthodox tactics did lead to eventually a greater understanding of

1072
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: health and illness um, but it also meant in the

1073
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: immediate term that doctors are basically often we're just gonna

1074
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: wait till you die and cut you open and then

1075
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: and then we'll be better in the future, which patients

1076
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: aren't big fans of. No, they like a doctor who

1077
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: treats you as a person and not as just like

1078
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: waiting to cut into your corpse and be like, you

1079
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: took your car in a mechanic and he's like, ah,

1080
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: I could, but I'm not going to ye. But when

1081
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: it quits running, bring it to me. When your brakes

1082
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: fail on the highway, I'll cut your car open afterwards,

1083
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'll tell you which why the bricks didn't work, Okay,

1084
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: exactly what they didn't work. Yeah. So Hanman showed no

1085
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: interest in detailed pathology, uh, none in conventional diagnosis and treatment.

1086
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: He was only interested in the principles of homeopathic medicine,

1087
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: which he used to name the illness. Classic Homeopathy was

1088
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: therefore seen by its supporters as an attractively safe symptom, simple,

1089
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: easy to understand, and centered on the patient as a

1090
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: whole and not on pathological lesions. By eighteen o one,

1091
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: Hanman had moved on yet again, back to a town

1092
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: near Leipzig. His notebooks revealed the kind of problems most

1093
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: of his patients came to him with insomnia, headaches, dizziness, constipation,

1094
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: lack of appetite, backaches, menopause, menstruation. In other words, all

1095
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: things that tended to resolve themselves. Life. Yeah, life. But

1096
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: Samuel Hanman watched his patients improve after giving them water,

1097
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: and he grew convinced that he had solved the problem

1098
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: of sickness for all time. His fellow doctors were less

1099
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: than convinced, and they were particularly frustrated with the fact

1100
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: that high society, the aristocracy, and the very wealthy increasingly

1101
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: embraced homeopathy over orthodox medicine. By eighteen o five, he

1102
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: was widely recognized as a physician of note. In eighteen ten,

1103
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: he published the organ On of Rational Healing, which would

1104
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: be published in five editions during his lifetime. Leipzig University,

1105
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: his alma mater, hired him to give lectures from eighteen

1106
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: twelve to eighteen twenty one, he taught six month courses

1107
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: on the principles of homeopathy. Curious young minds from all

1108
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: over Europe flocked to Hanman's classroom to learn from the master.

1109
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: By this point, he'd grown utterly convinced of his own brilliance,

1110
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: to the point where he told one group of students,

1111
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: he who does not walk on exactly the same line

1112
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: with me, who diverges if would be but the breath

1113
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: of a straw to the right of the left is

1114
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: an apples state and a traitor. And with him, I

1115
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: have nothing to do. Oh goody good. He doesn't get

1116
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: more better in his old age, No, yeah, yeah, it's

1117
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: it's this is kind of where he gets to be

1118
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more problematic. Everyone's telling him how great

1119
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: is yeah yeah, And you know, in fairness to him,

1120
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: compared to the poison, doctors held goods, not given people

1121
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: poison is a good move as a doctor. I wish

1122
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: I had been a doctor, that it would have been

1123
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: so much easier. Yeah, machettison could have really taken off

1124
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: that a just cut off a digit, Just cut off

1125
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: a finger. Oh he's trying to give you acid. I'm

1126
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: just gonna cut your finger. Just give me Which finger

1127
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: do you hate? Yeah, you have, We all have one.

1128
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: We love. Everybody's got an evil finger. Which finger? That's

1129
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: the core of machettison? God, all right, it's time for ads, Sophie.

1130
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: Sophie is saying it's time for ads. If you like

1131
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:47,959
Speaker 1: cutting your finger off, try these products service. We're back.

1132
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: You tried, though, Billy in one. At age sixty six,

1133
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: Samuel Hanman was granted unlimited privileges by a nearby duchess,

1134
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: allowing him to live in luxury while he took a

1135
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: partial retirement to the develop his theories six and held

1136
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: a long fucking life. That means it's old now. Yeah,

1137
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: he lives forever essentially. Yeah uh. He continued to be

1138
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: the center of the homeopathic field, directing the establishment of

1139
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: a homeopathic journal and watching his new homeopathic schools were

1140
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: established by his former students. While homeopathy spread over the continent.

1141
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: Samuel Hanman continued to work until in eight he presented

1142
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: his greatest discovery since his first breakthrough. The father of

1143
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: homeopathy had finally found the root of all chronic illnesses. No,

1144
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: the itch really, yeah, he decided it was scabies. That's

1145
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: not that's I can tell you from experience that's not

1146
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: the it's not the root of illness, and stayed in

1147
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: some shady hotels and stuff. Yeah now, Hanman termed it

1148
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: sora and claimed that scabies basically acted as the soil

1149
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: from which all diseases sprung. Modern homeopaths are very much

1150
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: divided on whether or not this last great theory of

1151
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: Hanman's was a misstep or the key to a proper

1152
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: homeopathic treatment. Actual doctors recognized that scaby is to actually

1153
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: caused by tiny microsoftic mites and has nothing to do

1154
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: with same multiple sclerosis after chro. But I'm sure during

1155
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: that time it was a huge problem. Scabies is everywhere, everywhere.

1156
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: Everybody's got scabies. Who comes in with something else wrong

1157
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: must be the scabies causn't it. It's like people that

1158
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: that do hardcore drugs always also smoke pot. Yeah, that's

1159
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: the same, exactly that logic. Yes, yeah, got you now. Uh.

1160
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: In eighteen thirty five, Hunman married a thirty five year

1161
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: old French socialite. She'd originally been one of his patients.

1162
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: Year old. I mean even the old horny dudes existed,

1163
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: old horny dudes, and he is apparently great at it. Uh. Yeah,

1164
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: she'd originally been one of his patients, which I'm sure

1165
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: presented no ethical dilemma. His family, particularly his surviving children,

1166
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: were horrified when they now very elderly scientist left for

1167
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: France with his young new wife. Oddly enough, that year

1168
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty five was also the your homeopathy faced its

1169
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: first effective rebuttal, using what we would recognize today as

1170
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: actual science. But he didn't like that. You know, I

1171
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: don't even know what he thought about it, because it's

1172
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: not like there weren't like online journals and stuff that's

1173
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: happened far away from him. I don't know. He was busy,

1174
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: he was he was busy. Oh you guys got a

1175
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: problem with I don't care. I'll make sure you ain't.

1176
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: Got no escaping. French homeopathy had taken off among the

1177
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: great and good in the Kingdom of Bavaria. In Nuremberg,

1178
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: to homeopathic doctors did a brisk business treating the nobility

1179
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: with nonsense water. This irritated a fellow named Friedrich Wilhelm

1180
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: von Hoven, the city's chief public health official and the

1181
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: head of the hospitals. He wrote a critique of homeopathy

1182
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: under a pseudonym. According to the n I h quote.

1183
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: Von Hoven accused homeopathy of lacking any scientific foundation. He

1184
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: suggested that homeopathic drugs were not real medicines at all.

1185
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: An alleged homeopathic cures were either due to dietetic regimes

1186
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: and the healing powers of nature, or showed the power

1187
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: of belief. He called for an objective comparative assessment by

1188
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: impartial experts. If, as he aspected, homeopathic treatment proved ineffective,

1189
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: the government would need to take drastic measures to protect

1190
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: the lives of deceived patients. A little bit of both.

1191
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: In between. It seems like everyone is very reactionary to

1192
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: the I mean, nothing's changed that not humans are, but

1193
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: they can't. They have a hard time going in between.

1194
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting, it is interesting. It's it's a common problem

1195
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: with people. UM. Johan Jacob Reuter, Nuremberg's homeopathic doctor UH,

1196
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: defended his discipline by claiming that even children, lunatics, and

1197
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: animals had been cured by homeopathic solutions. He challenged von

1198
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: Hoven to try something comparisons like the children, lunatics, and

1199
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: animals and animals the three kinds of people you know. Uh.

1200
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: He challenged von Hoven to try some homeopathic medicine a

1201
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: thirty C dilution of salt and see if he didn't

1202
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: feel something. This test or challenge sparked dozens of physicians

1203
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: and pharmacists in Nuremberg to take him up on his

1204
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: offer and now on some sweet yeah, now, now I

1205
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: kind of want some joblins. Uh. So suddenly all these

1206
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: physitions started doing tests on themselves with deluted salt water,

1207
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: and eventually they hit upon the idea of conducting a

1208
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: single large scale test and Clint instead of all doing

1209
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: individual tests. Quote. Following a widely publicized invitation to anyone

1210
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: who was interested, more than a hundred twenty citizens met

1211
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: in a local tavern. The minimum numbers needed to proceed

1212
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: had been fixed at fifty. The design of the proposed

1213
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: trial was explained to detail in front of everyone. A

1214
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: hundred vials were numbered, thoroughly shuffled, and then split up

1215
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: into random into two lots of fifty. One lot was

1216
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: filled with distilled snow water, the other with ordinary salt

1217
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: and a homeopathic C thirty dilution of distilled snow water

1218
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: prepared just as Reuter had demanded. A grain of salt

1219
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: was dissolved and a hundred drops that distilled snow water

1220
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: and the resulting solution was deluted twenty nine times at

1221
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: a ratio of one to one hundred. So this is

1222
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: like a double line experiment. You get your control, you

1223
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: get your your your test group um and a list

1224
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: was made of which subjects had received which substances. The

1225
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: subjects themselves were kept in the dark about what they'd received.

1226
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: So this is believed to be the first double blind

1227
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: study conducted in the history of medicine. This is what

1228
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: it's done to try and see if homeopathy worked. Like

1229
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: Hanman advanced the frontiers of medical science more than almost

1230
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: any other single person, completely by accident. Yeah, completely by accident.

1231
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: It's kind of cool, but contrarian being like I think

1232
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't think this is right. Yeah, I think I'm

1233
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: the only one who knows anything. And well that's what

1234
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna say too. Is like a lot of

1235
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:33,959
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot even to this day. Arrogance. Yeah,

1236
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: takes us away farther and helps us in some degree,

1237
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: But we heard ourselves pretty hard till we get there.

1238
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Ye. There's actually a lot of

1239
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: interesting writings on the evolution of over confidence and like

1240
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: why over confidence occurs in species and stuff, and like

1241
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: how if you're if you've got two species, two different

1242
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:56,439
Speaker 1: animals competing over resource, and one of them believes irrationally

1243
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: that it will win any fight, and so it always

1244
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: tries to grab the thing. Like, sometimes it will get

1245
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: in fights, and sometimes it will lose those fights, but

1246
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: more often than not, the less confident thing would just

1247
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: be like, I don't want to I don't want to

1248
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: fight with you. But the dog that goes for the

1249
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: treat first gets the treat most often, or yeah, whoever

1250
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: throws the first punch. And with human beings, that means

1251
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: sometimes we build arsenals of nuclear weapons capable of annihilating

1252
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: all life on Earth and hand them to dottering old men. Uh.

1253
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: And it also means sometimes we look up at the

1254
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: moon and go, yeah, I bet we could fling a

1255
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: guy into that. Let's go up there, let's figure that

1256
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: ship out. Yeah we can do it. Fuck it. I mean,

1257
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: if my car goes this fan, that's just a bigger

1258
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: gas tank. Yeah that's that. That happened in Huntsville, Alabama.

1259
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: That's where that's where they build those rocks. Yeah, so

1260
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: keep making fun of the South. Yeah, we fucking landed

1261
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: on the goddamn moon. That's where all the ness shit

1262
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: is because nobody else is that fucking crazy. No, well

1263
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: that's a lot of it too. Yeah, is there a

1264
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: lot of rednecks going like, but I know how to

1265
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: do this. I can get us up there. That's really

1266
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: like the core history, and that's why, like all the

1267
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: great test pilots come from like Ohio or something like

1268
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: flat boring places where it's like, oh, yeah, I've been

1269
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: rolling around in a car trying to get myself killed

1270
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: for years. Might as well do it for science. Yeah,

1271
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: and I can fly alright, fuck, yeah, I'll be the

1272
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: first one. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, I'll go on

1273
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: board this. You're any Chuck Yeager, he's still very, very

1274
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: very confident in old age. We're like, well, god, how

1275
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: cocky was he when he was little? How could you

1276
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: not be being Chuck Yeager? Though? I think you accomplished

1277
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: a couple of things, and then you're just like, oh,

1278
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: I can do anything I want. And who's that Chuck Air?

1279
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go ahead, bigarette, just let him. Yeah you

1280
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: can smoke in the majorney Ward. So obviously the double

1281
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 1: blind this first double blind study showed that it didn't

1282
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: the homeopathic medicine didn't do anything. So the first blind

1283
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 1: study worked. Yeah, it worked. Uh so Yeah, in eighteen

1284
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 1: thirty five, a bunch of dudes at a bar succeeded

1285
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: improving homeopathy was nonsense. But as I've said a number

1286
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: of times on this show, proof has never convinced anyone

1287
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: of anything. Yeah, homeopathy is the oldest European example of

1288
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: what we now call c a M or complimentary and

1289
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: alternative medicine. That's a nice term used by professionals today

1290
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: to avoid hurting the feelings of people who truly believe

1291
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: crystals are going to heal their arthritis. The whole reason

1292
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: a field of fundamentally unscientific ideas is treated this way

1293
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: traces back to Samuel Hahnman. Before his rise to prominence,

1294
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: medicine outside the mainstream without data behind it was just

1295
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: called quackery. Going to quote next from an article in

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01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: the Royal Society of Medicine. Most of these pre eighteen

1297
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: fifty quacks tend to specialize. Some were bone setters, Others

1298
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: claim to cure of anereal disease without the use of mercury.

1299
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: A doctor Taylor of Beverly and Gloucester arranged to attend

1300
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: regularly at three public houses, to which patients only had

1301
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: to send in their urine, and he would tell at

1302
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: once whether they were curable or not. There were self

1303
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: siled Oculus, who is specialized in the treatment of cataract

1304
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: and curious of cancer without operation. One of the latter,

1305
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: calling himself the High German Doctor Simon, invited you to

1306
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: visit his house and see for yourself answer of the

1307
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: armpit of five pieces of twelve and one half ounces

1308
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: weight which he claimed to have removed. Most of these

1309
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: regulars were uneducated or even illiterate, and only a minority

1310
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: were full time healers, usually at regular jobs such as blacksmith, ferrier, grocer, butcher, cheesemonger, cobbler,

1311
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: cutter or mechanic. They often claimed patronage of the Great

1312
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: and Good Dr Scott's Billius and liver pills were used

1313
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: by the Dukes of Devonshire, Northumberland and Wellington, Anglesey and Hastings,

1314
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: and the Earls of Pembrooke, Essex and Oxford, while Dr

1315
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: Lampert at thirty six High Street, Boro, London, claimed to

1316
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: visit the world to do. In the West Indies, the

1317
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: Isles of Scilly London, Nottingham, Derby, Norwich, Lincoln, Boston, Gloucester,

1318
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: wolfer Hampton, Litchfield, a bunch of British names, and forbidden

1319
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: measure almost every other town in the Kingdom. These are

1320
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: regulars had one thing in common. They had little if

1321
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: any interest in understanding of orthodox medicine in their time.

1322
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 1: I got time for fancy book learning. I'm doing magic

1323
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: and it's not always bad. Like the doctors who are like, oh,

1324
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: we can cure your VD without using mercury, Like they

1325
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: could hear people's STDs, but they weren't making it worse

1326
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: with mercury. You know that, you know what sucks worse

1327
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: than mercury. Yeah, And we're like, oh God, he would

1328
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: put mercy in your hole. Don't do that. Just yeah.

1329
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: So things changed in the early nineteenth century, largely as

1330
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: a result of Samuel's work. Homeopathy gave quacks an ideology

1331
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: and a school of medicine to stand alongside. While old

1332
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: fashioned quacks would rarely visit the same town twice because

1333
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: they were fundamentally frauds, homeopaths would continue to practice in

1334
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: the same area for years, even decades. People at the

1335
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: time recognize this change. Quote an orthodox practitioner remarked the

1336
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: old fashioned quack with his farrago of receipts, who seldom

1337
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: visited the same neighborhood, but at very long intervals in

1338
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: order to avoid recognition. This class a practitioner is fast

1339
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: coming to a close. It was being replaced by literate

1340
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: and educated empirics who read books. This remark signal the

1341
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: emergence of a new form of unorthodox medicine, which formed

1342
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: the basis of what is today called complimentary alternative medicine.

1343
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: This is where we get gooped from. You know, it

1344
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: used to be you were like a fringe medical person.

1345
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: You wouldn't you wouldn't stick around in town. You'd sell

1346
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: your snake on and get out. Because of Hanuman, these

1347
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: people established themselves. Is like no, no no, no, We're going

1348
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: to like set up offices and try to do like

1349
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: we see ourselves as legitimate practitioners and that is all

1350
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: really humans need is like a different subconsciously, we're like,

1351
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: it's like the marijuana doctor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like

1352
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 1: the marijuana doctors. Samuel Hanman and his wife lived out

1353
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: there last year's as popular socialites in France. The only

1354
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: hiccup in his golden ears came when his wife was

1355
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: charged for practicing medicine without a license, but this does

1356
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: not seem to have led to a significant penalty. He

1357
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: died a millionaire in eighteen forty three at the age

1358
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: of eighty nine, So good life for him. God, Yes, yeah,

1359
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: that's a long ass way to live, because he drank

1360
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: all that water, stay and hydrated. He was rated, extremely hydrated,

1361
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: the most hydrated man in this eighteen hundreds. Now. Hanman

1362
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: went to his grave believing that his decision to dose

1363
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: himself with china bark was a moment for human science

1364
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: on par with Newton being hit by an apple, and

1365
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: in some ways that is true. His violent reaction to

1366
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: quinine has forever altered the progress of medical science. Over

1367
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: the years, several medical professionals have tried, unsuccessfully to recreate

1368
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: his findings. One doctor who did so, representing the Board

1369
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: of Health, wrote, Chinchona, even in the preparation advocated by Hanman,

1370
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: did not cause fever in either healthy people or animals.

1371
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: This is a little weird, right. No one has ever

1372
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: been able to recreate the effects of Hanman's first groundbreaking experiment.

1373
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: But during my research I did come across one fascinating

1374
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: theory that might just explain this mystery. And Kiason on

1375
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: how homeopathy was really started. I've found an article by

1376
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: Dr William me Thomas, a Melbourne based physician and medical historian.

1377
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: He notes that quinine, the active ingredient in chinchona, is

1378
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: only toxic and higher doses than Hanman took. However, there

1379
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: are some people who are allergic to quina and the

1380
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: symptoms are startlingly similar to what Hanman himself reported. It

1381
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: can be concluded then that Hanman might have suffered from

1382
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: an allergy to quinine, which means that the fundamental foundation

1383
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: of homeopathy, like the idea that like cures like, is

1384
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: based on the fact that Dr Hanman had a rare

1385
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: allergic reaction to quinine when he took this bark, which

1386
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:14,799
Speaker 1: is just the most human yeah element of this whole thing. Yeah,

1387
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: it's it's it's very understandable. Yeah wow. Now, Billy Wayne

1388
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: side of of of who he's led in the Pandora's box,

1389
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: that is what part two is going to be excited about.

1390
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: Who comes in here because Samuel Hanman an imperfect person

1391
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: you can criticize in some ways, not really a bastard, No,

1392
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: not really a bastard, just just a dude who made

1393
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: some logical leaps that were not justified by the actual evidence,

1394
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: but that are understandable in the context at the time,

1395
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: and then really just kind of took some uh confirmation

1396
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: bias after that, a lot of confirmation bias, young French wife.

1397
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: You know that's distracting. Yep, then it would be very distracted.

1398
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 1: In part two, we are going to talk about some

1399
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: of the actual bastards, the horrible harvest in corpses that

1400
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: is Samuel Henman's modern day legacy, So a lot of

1401
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: dead babies. In part two, of course, there is yeah, yeah, Now,

1402
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: Billy Wayne, I feel like the right way to break

1403
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: up this game of tennis we're gonna play. I think

1404
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: we should go to five total points, and I think

1405
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: we should do the first two points at the end

1406
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: of this episode, and we will have the last three,

1407
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: assuming there's any pieces of this VHS state left. Yes,

1408
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 1: thank you, Sophie. So if he knows that when you

1409
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: grab a machette, you do it by the blade, that is,

1410
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: don't hurt Anderson. Please all right, Sophie, are you ready

1411
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: to ref Yeah? Okay, I thought it was Oh, I'm

1412
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: gonna serve first. Okay, Now, I don't know how to

1413
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 1: play tennis. I don't think. I don't think this is

1414
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: how to play tennis. Let's see, all right, I do

1415
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: know one thing, which is that I was supposed to

1416
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 1: say zero serving zero, Right, that's how it starts. Right, No,

1417
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: it's isn't it? Love? Love is no? Love is zero?

1418
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: Isn't it? It's it's it's I don't find I'm gonna

1419
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: throw the copy of basic instinct Well, I'm gonna try

1420
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 1: to hit it at you, hit it, hit it back,

1421
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: all right, all right, all right, just get out of

1422
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: the way. I think what does that count as? I

1423
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: think that was a point? Hit the back, all right,

1424
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: Oh all right, it's it's one one. Your's this guy?

1425
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm not good? Alright, alright, yeah, oh yeah, that was

1426
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: a good one. That was. It's holding up pretty well.

1427
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: You gotta give a credit. Alright, mm hmm, all right,

1428
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: it's it's too too. We're tied. We're tied, and the

1429
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: deep the v of basic instincts holding up surprising pretty well.

1430
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: Let's take it out of its case. See how we're

1431
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's been cut so much is it in there?

1432
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: It's now in there. Yeah. I think we actually wedged

1433
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: it into the paper. That's awesome. Nice job guys, Nice

1434
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: job Paul Barrovan, great director. Billy you want to plug

1435
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: your plug doubles? Yes, b w D tour dot com

1436
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: slash tours all my live dates. Um, I'm coming to Atlanta, Seattle,

1437
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: Portland's Eugene, Cincinnati, Huntington, West Virginia, uh Birmingham, Alabama. See

1438
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: Billy Wayne live. Come see us a variety of bladed instruments,

1439
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure, um, and continue listening to this podcast and

1440
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: also find it on the internet behind the Bastards dot

1441
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 1: com or at Bastards pod on Twitter and Instagram. There's

1442
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: also another podcast that exists by t shirts on public.

1443
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: What's that podcast called? Oh, it's called the Worst Year

1444
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: Ever and it's about politics. Wow, that sounds so dumb

1445
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: dumb dum dum dum dum dum dum. Anyway, tune in

1446
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: on Thursday to see who wins the game of what

1447
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: is definitely not tennis, not tennis, not at all. No, No,

1448
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 1: Anderson's were harmed in the making of this podcast. I'd

1449
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: just say I can't guarantee I can How do we

1450
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: like this thing? No? Robert, we're not likeing on first