WEBVTT - Mike Madrid & Kimberlé Crenshaw

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds. And Americans have spent twenty four billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars extra in gas since Trump started his war in Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>We have such a great jow for you today. The

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<v Speaker 1>host of the Latino Vote podcast, Mike Madrid, stops by

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about Republicans being completely out of options before

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<v Speaker 1>the midterms. Then we'll talk to civil rights advocate and

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<v Speaker 1>law professor Gimberley Crenshaw about her new memoir, Backtalker in

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<v Speaker 1>American Memoir. But first of the news, Smiley.

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<v Speaker 2>The budget for the ballroom, the big beautiful ballroom, four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred million dollars. But since we have the bootlicker Congress

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<v Speaker 2>that loves to say yes, sir, may I have more,

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<v Speaker 2>they want to give them a billion dollars because they

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<v Speaker 2>don't give a fuck about being conservative or saving our

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<v Speaker 2>tax dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>An amazing story in the fact that it is just

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<v Speaker 1>shows that these people don't believe in anything. So Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>got Trump into office and they said that they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to do what cut the deficit, They were going

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<v Speaker 1>to stop waste fraud and abuse. And you know who

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<v Speaker 1>was the face of that, the richest man in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk. Well, fast forward. They're not so interested in waste, fraud,

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<v Speaker 1>and abuse anymore, except if they're doing the waste, the fraud,

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<v Speaker 1>and the abuse. And here we are. Republicans demand one

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars for Trump's ballroom. Now you'll remember that I

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<v Speaker 1>was told that taxpayers were not going to pay anything

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<v Speaker 1>for this ballroom, and instead of that, we're paying a

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars. So I don't know how that works, but

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<v Speaker 1>now we are paying a billion dollars in taxpayer money.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is in this reconciliation package. It is for

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<v Speaker 1>security and adjustments and upgrades. That's the waste, fraud, and

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<v Speaker 1>abuse right there, related to the ballroom's construction. An additional

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<v Speaker 1>thirty billion for Ice. You'll remember ICE as having already

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<v Speaker 1>billions and billions of dollars which they used to murder

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<v Speaker 1>American citizens and jail children. Three point five billion for

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<v Speaker 1>customs and border patrol. I wonder how much of that

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<v Speaker 1>is for Christy Nome horseback riding videos. Oh, actually she's

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<v Speaker 1>been fired, so that money has already been spent. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Chuck Grassley. Remember Chuck Grassley, the pretend normal Republican

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<v Speaker 1>who is ten thousand years old. Well, this is Chuck Grassley.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Senate Judiciary Committee, and they're taking action

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<v Speaker 1>to provide for federal law enforcement and safer streets to

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<v Speaker 1>the American families, because that's what this is really about.

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<v Speaker 1>Safer streets for the American family is a billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold On, he may be concerned about safer streets. He's

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<v Speaker 2>tweeted numerous times about hitting deer on the streets with

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<v Speaker 2>his car.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, he is not a good driver. He is a

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<v Speaker 1>very good vacuumer. If you go on, if you are

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<v Speaker 1>on X, which we do not recommend by any stretch

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<v Speaker 1>of the imagination giving money to Elon Mush, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you are on there, you will see that Charles Grassley,

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<v Speaker 1>who is nine thousand years old, has a vacuum. It

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<v Speaker 1>has a name, and we're all going to die.

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<v Speaker 2>But we should talk a little bit more about this

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<v Speaker 2>because this spending bill really is just a big pretend

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<v Speaker 2>that the assassination attempt at the White House correspondence dinner

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<v Speaker 2>is this huge threat that they need. And now they

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<v Speaker 2>also have to give Ice more money because an American

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<v Speaker 2>citizen was angry at Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, the whole premise of this insanity is

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<v Speaker 1>that the White House Correspondent dinner would take place in

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<v Speaker 1>the White House. The White House Correspondence Association is not

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<v Speaker 1>part of the federal government, so that party was never

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<v Speaker 1>going to take place in the White House.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's that.

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<v Speaker 1>But beyond that, and I think that this is an

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<v Speaker 1>important point here. This is ridiculous, right, like Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>should not have leveled the East twin point one second point,

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<v Speaker 1>this should be put together with in the purview of

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government and not in Donald Trump's fever dream. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not about Donald Trump, right, This is about

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<v Speaker 1>the White House, which belongs to us, the taxpayers, and

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<v Speaker 1>not Donald Trump. But also more than that, what is

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<v Speaker 1>happening here is that they are trying to approve bazillions

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<v Speaker 1>of I mean literally billions of our taxpayer dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever the fuck they want. And again, in this

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<v Speaker 1>there's money for ICE, CBP and DHS, and it's got

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous amount of flexibility with less accountability and less

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<v Speaker 1>oversight than typical annual appropriations for DHS funding. That means

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<v Speaker 1>that it is giving money that is gonna have even

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<v Speaker 1>less oversight. And this is an administration that is very,

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<v Speaker 1>very focused on not having oversight. So this is just

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<v Speaker 1>an insane, insane way to be. It is like, absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>not the way that any of this should work, and

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<v Speaker 1>none of this. No Democrat should vote for this. But

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<v Speaker 1>John Fetterman, who is not a Democrat and probably going

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<v Speaker 1>to switch part.

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<v Speaker 2>John Fetterman, who's running as my brand is more important

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<v Speaker 2>than my constituents.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, John Fetterman, who is running on his one term

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<v Speaker 1>and then never again exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But branding is important. So anyway, we need to shift

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<v Speaker 2>gears and talk about the Supreme Court and this abortion

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<v Speaker 2>ruling on meph pristone.

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<v Speaker 4>What are you seeing here?

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<v Speaker 1>This is an incredible unforced error for Republicans. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals had a

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<v Speaker 1>decision on Friday which said basically, no more metha pristone.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a real problem for Republicans because you know, two

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<v Speaker 1>thirds of all abortions are medication abortions, and they use

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<v Speaker 1>these drugs. These drugs also have other uses for you

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<v Speaker 1>from contractions, et cetera. But the point is the Fifth

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<v Speaker 1>Circuit was like new, we're done, no more. Now here's

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<v Speaker 1>the problem. So the Supreme Court ruled Justice Alito, you

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<v Speaker 1>may know him as being a partisan hack. He appealed

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<v Speaker 1>this day and said, now they can sell it again.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the problem. In eight days, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>go on They're basically going to go on the shadow

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<v Speaker 1>dock and decide what's going to happen with this. So

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<v Speaker 1>either they will pull this drug from the market, thus

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<v Speaker 1>setting a precedent that judiciaries that have been politicized can

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<v Speaker 1>pull drugs from the market because they don't like what

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<v Speaker 1>they do. And it will mean no more medication abortions,

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<v Speaker 1>or it will mean more restrictions. And that will happen

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<v Speaker 1>six months before the midterms. And you'll remember abortion pretty popular.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't like taking it away, even Republicans. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Republicans are pro choice. So this will be a

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<v Speaker 1>real fucking problem for Republicans. And remember this is a

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<v Speaker 1>very partisan court. So it's six'. Three this is the

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<v Speaker 1>court that Overturned roe. V. WADE i can see a

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<v Speaker 1>real world where they say like no more metha pristo

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<v Speaker 1>and like that's, It we're. Done and if they do,

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<v Speaker 1>that then that's a huge becomes a huge issue for the.

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<v Speaker 1>Midterms another, thing, though is if they don't do, that

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<v Speaker 1>then it also becomes a huge issue for the midterms

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<v Speaker 1>because then the anti choice vote is, furious they're, engaged

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<v Speaker 1>and they start turning On, trump and they're already very

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<v Speaker 1>mad about. This and in, fact you have this woman

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<v Speaker 1>From Pro Life, America marjorie dan And, felzer who said

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<v Speaker 1>that it is shameful that The trump administrations in action

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<v Speaker 1>has forced pro life states to take the battle to

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<v Speaker 1>the federal. Courts so you can see already attention here

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<v Speaker 1>AND i could see. THIS i, mean there are real

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<v Speaker 1>ideologues on this court who would be delighted to pull

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<v Speaker 1>this medicine off the. Market AND i could see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Happening SO i think it'll be very. INTERESTING i think

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<v Speaker 1>it could be really problematic For.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump, YEAH i, agreed and feels like a real. Mess

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<v Speaker 2>so we have had a real spat of sexual impropriety

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<v Speaker 2>among congressional members this, term and it's not ending For.

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans we have Now Representative Chuck, edwards who is in

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<v Speaker 2>A r plus eight, district which means it's very very in,

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<v Speaker 2>play who has numerous witnesses to him acting inappropriately with.

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<v Speaker 1>Staffers, yeah and this guy sounds like a.

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<v Speaker 2>KOOK i would never guess that from this.

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<v Speaker 1>PARTY i mean sexual, harassment really really really. Bad cool,

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<v Speaker 1>though that this house is starting to really focus on

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<v Speaker 1>getting these guys out Of. Congress so he told a

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<v Speaker 1>young female staff or that she had written a complex

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<v Speaker 1>chapter in my heart in a handwritten note that he sent,

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<v Speaker 1>her which she then gave To, axios as one. Should

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<v Speaker 1>when your boss writes a letter like, that why it.

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<v Speaker 1>Matters it matters because a fucking. Creeper and three sources

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<v Speaker 1>Told axios they witnessed contact By edwards towards two female

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<v Speaker 1>staffers in their. Twenties do you want to guess how

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<v Speaker 1>Old Chuck edwards?

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<v Speaker 2>Is AM i going to have nightmares WHEN i learned this.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowledge edwards sixty five has been married since nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighty nineteen, eighty that's like two years younger than. Us

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<v Speaker 2>we were, deil we were.

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<v Speaker 1>Due we're forty. Seven now we were.

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<v Speaker 4>Taking, well one of us is forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven he brought the staffer personal gifts while she was

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<v Speaker 1>employed by, him including. Jewelry one, gift this is the

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<v Speaker 1>one that really gets me, upset included a custom puzzle,

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<v Speaker 1>that when, ASSEMBLED i swear To, god this is like

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<v Speaker 1>the freakiest one revealed an image of After Adam, sandler

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<v Speaker 1>along with a handwritten note inviting the staffer to attend

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<v Speaker 1>one Of sandler's comedy shows with. Him according to a

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<v Speaker 1>photo you By axios and three sources with knowledge of the,

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<v Speaker 1>gift it's unclear if the staffer attended the. SHOW i

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<v Speaker 1>bet you a million dollars That stafford did not attend the.

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<v Speaker 1>Show edwards also gave, gifts including a, purse to another

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<v Speaker 1>young female staffer in her, twenties and did this second

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<v Speaker 1>staffer as his guest to events including The White House

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas party in twenty twenty. Four the three sources, SAID i, mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>MAN i like this. LINE a member buying gifts for

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<v Speaker 1>staffers is not explicitly Against house. Rules stop being, creeps

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<v Speaker 1>men In, Congress stop being Creep stop all. Change they

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<v Speaker 1>can't do.

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<v Speaker 4>It it's a real.

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<v Speaker 1>Challenge by the, way my favorite part of. This edward's

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<v Speaker 1>office has one of the highest turnover rates In, congress

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<v Speaker 1>with a fifty nine percent turnover and twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Five, wow that's almost as much As Nancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Mace, yeah, hey, man let's not bring this back To. Nancy,

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<v Speaker 1>Them it's a memoir that continues to, Resonate so please

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<v Speaker 1>pick it. Up Mike madrid is a political consultant and

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<v Speaker 1>the host Of The Latino vote, podcast and he's the

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<v Speaker 1>author Of The Latino. Century Mike, Madrid.

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<v Speaker 4>Mollie great to be with.

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<v Speaker 1>You diesel is six dollars a, gallon, right six dollars a.

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<v Speaker 1>Gallon Donald trump as unpopular as he has ever, been

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<v Speaker 1>underwater on everything from immigration to, crime to cost of

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<v Speaker 1>living to. Inflation why Did republicans not see this?

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<v Speaker 4>COMING i think the insuller bubble within which they LIVED

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<v Speaker 4>i think has burst and they don't know what reality

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<v Speaker 4>actually looks like. Anymore but, look we're a that like

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<v Speaker 4>Post GEORGE. W bush in your seven, phase when like

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<v Speaker 4>you could blame the, weather bad weather On George bush

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<v Speaker 4>and one's, like, yeah of course THAT sob did. THIS i,

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<v Speaker 4>mean that's where we're. At it's gonna keep getting. Worse

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<v Speaker 4>by the. Way he's positive on no. Issue there's not

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<v Speaker 4>a single thing that he's touching that is working for.

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<v Speaker 4>HIM i don't know what their message is going to

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<v Speaker 4>be going into the.

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<v Speaker 1>Midterms the thing, is we still have the, summer so It's,

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<v Speaker 1>may and we're coming up on this gas price. Situation,

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<v Speaker 1>Right gas is really Expensive americans hate paying for. Gas

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<v Speaker 1>they really. Do like that is the one. Thing it's

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<v Speaker 1>a nonpartisan. Issue the moment gas gets even a tiny

0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.800
<v Speaker 1>bit more, expensive people get. Apoplectic it's like we feel

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<v Speaker 1>we are entitled to cheap. GAS i always.

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<v Speaker 4>Thought it would be a million people dying of in the,

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<v Speaker 4>pandemic but, no it's five dollars gallon. Gas it's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Gas and it's like anti democratic. Stuff, nah it's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Gas it's the. Gas, yeah can you explain to. Us

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<v Speaker 1>you do a lot of polling follow The latino vote really.

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<v Speaker 1>Carefully that is a vote that is sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>new swing. Voters talk us through.

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<v Speaker 4>It that's kind of the new soccer.

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<v Speaker 1>Mom.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, yeah but, YEAH i think what the difference is

0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:15.800
<v Speaker 4>like with soccer, moms there was an attempt to kind

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<v Speaker 4>of appeal to what they were clearly telling the. Pollsters

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<v Speaker 4>latinos are a little bit different because both parties are really

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<v Speaker 4>struggling to kind of understand, them because both parties, Believe,

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<v Speaker 4>okay this is a minority, voter let's talk to them

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<v Speaker 4>the way we've always talked to other minority, voters and

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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't seem to be. Working and then there's also

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<v Speaker 4>this kind of feeling Like republicans are just, like, well

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<v Speaker 4>let's just pretend like they're like everybody, else which of

0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.400
<v Speaker 4>course doesn't work because they're not like everybody. Else and

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<v Speaker 4>so you end up in this scenario where both parties

0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.080
<v Speaker 4>don't really understand, it And latinos are the least racially

0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.120
<v Speaker 4>polarized and the most likely to be independent. Voters they're

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<v Speaker 4>the least likely to be registered with a party of

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<v Speaker 4>any major ethnic. Group and it's growing so, Fast, molly

0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.000
<v Speaker 4>that we're witnessing as. Dealignment they're moving away from both

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<v Speaker 4>parties and they're banishing whichever part is in. Power so,

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<v Speaker 4>yes it's increasingly going to be this swing voter that

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<v Speaker 4>is not voting for a, party it's really voting against a.

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<v Speaker 1>Party so this gets us back to this idea that they.

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<v Speaker 1>Dropped The republicans dropped the ball because we are seeing

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<v Speaker 1>people vote, again, Right we're seeing this anti incumbent. Hostility

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<v Speaker 1>so if you were A, republican if you Were Donald

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<v Speaker 1>trump and you had been watching what happened With Joe

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<v Speaker 1>biden for four, years you had been running on this

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<v Speaker 1>idea That Joe biden was old And Donald trump was,

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<v Speaker 1>young a completely insane statement because they're both very close in.

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<v Speaker 1>Age wouldn't you have been a little bit prepared for

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that the anti incumbent sentiment might come and

0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.440
<v Speaker 1>bite you when you were the. Incumbent.

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<v Speaker 4>YEAH i don't Think Donald trump lives in that, reality.

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<v Speaker 4>RIGHT i, mean like If Donald trump had just gone

0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.840
<v Speaker 4>golfing At mar Al lago instead of Like Liberation day

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<v Speaker 4>and tariffs and wars in The Middle east and Like epstein,

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<v Speaker 4>files all he had to do is going golf and

0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.480
<v Speaker 4>he could be built is arct The trump and you,

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<v Speaker 4>know putting his name all over whatever. Currencycy he would

0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.880
<v Speaker 4>be sitting in the mid high fifties right now in support.

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<v Speaker 4>Levels but he. Didn't he can't help. Himself and The,

0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.720
<v Speaker 4>republicans of, course fealty has become the, driving animating characteristic

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<v Speaker 4>of the, party so they're going to go walk step with.

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<v Speaker 4>It but what, Happened molly was after The epstein, stuff

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<v Speaker 4>you start to see this, break and this break starts

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<v Speaker 4>to happen with the, influencers the right, wing you, know.

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<v Speaker 4>Influencers it's the fight Between tucker And megan And candae

0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.840
<v Speaker 4>And Mark levine And. Shapiro AND i hate myself for

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<v Speaker 4>knowing who all these people. Are it's not even. Ideological

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<v Speaker 4>it's like this high school of middle school spat and

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<v Speaker 4>but that's the that's the animating politics of The Republican.

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<v Speaker 4>Party and so without, that what happens now is you're

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<v Speaker 4>Seeing Donald trump's base level support. Level he's at sixty

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<v Speaker 4>eight percent approval Amongst. Republicans, molly in ten years of

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<v Speaker 4>watching this every, morning waking up having my, coffee look

0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.680
<v Speaker 4>looking at this, number trying to figure out to break

0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:06.200
<v Speaker 4>it below eighty, eight he's now twenty points below anywhere

0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:10.159
<v Speaker 4>he's ever been, before ever With republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>And republican leaners. Too right there are the Indie. Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>explain that to, us because that is the that's a

0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.400
<v Speaker 1>group that he cannot win.

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<v Speaker 4>Without that's even more. DAMAGE i, mean it's all. Damaging

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<v Speaker 4>but let's talk about it independent for just a. Second

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<v Speaker 4>we know that a lot of people will Say i'm

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<v Speaker 4>not Either republican Or, democrat but we also know that,

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<v Speaker 4>demographically for, example an, older white homeowning male who's Saying

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<v Speaker 4>i'm independent is going to Vote republican ninety percent of the,

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<v Speaker 4>time right the same way a Young hispanic woman In

0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.159
<v Speaker 4>Santa Monica. California maybe, independent but she's gonna vote for

0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.160
<v Speaker 4>A democrat ninety percent of the. Time so these are leaners,

0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.080
<v Speaker 4>demographically we know how they're going to. Break but these,

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<v Speaker 4>leaners These republican, leaners are at a historic. Low and

0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.159
<v Speaker 4>WHEN i say, historic it's worse Than GEORGE. W bush In.

0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.080
<v Speaker 4>Iraq it's worse Than Jimmy carter, stagflation it's worse Than

0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:03.760
<v Speaker 4>nixon Water. Gates, yeah we've never seen numbers this. Bad

0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.320
<v Speaker 4>and so that that historic break with just. Independence even

0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.639
<v Speaker 4>if he were holding The republican, base which is, not

0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.840
<v Speaker 4>he would be in, deep deep. Trouble but he's losing

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<v Speaker 4>Core Republican maga constituency. Now and that's why It's Katie

0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:19.120
<v Speaker 4>BARADOR i want.

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<v Speaker 1>To talk about why he's losing him because so The

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<v Speaker 1>epstein file was The Epstein files fiasco was this first,

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<v Speaker 1>break and you Saw Pam bondi is no longer employed

0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.399
<v Speaker 1>basically because of. That right she did The. Binders it

0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.159
<v Speaker 1>got everybody in That maga world very. Excited there was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing in, there and then she went into a sort of.

0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Tailspin she did this hearing where she, said why won't

0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.320
<v Speaker 1>you thank Mister trump for The dow at fifty, thousand

0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.320
<v Speaker 1>which was like a little Too North korean propaganda even

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<v Speaker 1>for trump.

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<v Speaker 4>Discuss you're exactly. Right the break point is The Epstein,

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<v Speaker 4>files because one of the animating characteristics again of Trump

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<v Speaker 4>ism is his visceral hate For, democrats so much so

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<v Speaker 4>that they paint them as. Pedophile there's nothing worse you

0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.399
<v Speaker 4>can be than somebody who abuses, children, right, Yes and

0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.720
<v Speaker 4>it's all in this conspiracy about The Epstein, files and

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<v Speaker 4>like everything In trump rolled its, projection and so that

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<v Speaker 4>becomes the focal point of this reelection and keeps the base.

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<v Speaker 4>Together we've got to go get the, demonic Horrible democrats

0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.840
<v Speaker 4>who are trying to eat our children and do all

0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.240
<v Speaker 4>these bad. Things, well once he turns on, that once

0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.520
<v Speaker 4>he betrays them on, that everything else becomes. Suspect and

0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.719
<v Speaker 4>then suddenly all these bad policy, decisions whether It's venezuela

0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.800
<v Speaker 4>for no real good, reason or whether it's monetary, policy

0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.600
<v Speaker 4>whether it's Attacking canada or threatening to Invade, greenland and

0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.600
<v Speaker 4>then certainly Invading iran with no, objective no, mission and

0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.320
<v Speaker 4>no exit, strategy people realize this has all been a.

0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.080
<v Speaker 4>Ruse like it took a lot of people to get

0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:55.679
<v Speaker 4>out of the. Cult but once you're out of the,

0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:59.800
<v Speaker 4>cult you're not going. Back and that's where he's. At

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<v Speaker 4>that's what the problem. Is and that's why the likelihood

0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.760
<v Speaker 4>of this getting far worse is much greater than it

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<v Speaker 4>getting better for.

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<v Speaker 1>Him, Right and that's so let's talk through. That so

0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:12.880
<v Speaker 1>you had these. Influencers those influencers are not they are

0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Not Walter. Cronkite they are sticking their finger up and being,

0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:21.200
<v Speaker 1>like my people are, mad and that's why they're turning On, trump, Right.

0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah they're gonna you can't defend the indefensible. Anymore and

0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.439
<v Speaker 4>that's the. Problem and how what you saw was The

0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.679
<v Speaker 4>Candice owens and The Tucker carlson sees the opportunity to be, Like,

0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:33.200
<v Speaker 4>okay the gazelle is wounded on THE serengeti attack. Him,

0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:36.240
<v Speaker 4>now NOW i go after, him and they become the.

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<v Speaker 4>Predator right at, first they were, there you, know they

0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.280
<v Speaker 4>were getting followers by being part of the cheerleading crowd

0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:46.360
<v Speaker 4>and the you, know rallying it on once he's, wounded

0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.640
<v Speaker 4>and they you, KNOW i guess hat tip to them

0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.760
<v Speaker 4>for understanding having a finger on the pulse of where

0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.320
<v Speaker 4>this was. Going and realizing he's, done like he's mortally.

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.879
<v Speaker 4>Wounded this is a bridge too. Far they turn on

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<v Speaker 4>him And carlson, like you're gonna start seeing his numbers

0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:07.720
<v Speaker 4>moving up in this next presidential discussion very. Shortly it's

0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 4>not as high AS i would expect it to be right,

0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:13.720
<v Speaker 4>now but as anti Trump ism sets, in now that

0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:17.720
<v Speaker 4>he is the, establishment he is the, swamp he is the. Liar,

0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.120
<v Speaker 4>yeah betrayal is a deep. Emotion it's why they hated

0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.920
<v Speaker 4>Us Lincoln project guys so. Much we were as bad

0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:25.879
<v Speaker 4>as they much as they Hate. Democrats it was the

0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:30.760
<v Speaker 4>betrayers the, terms and that's what's going to drive a,

0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:34.200
<v Speaker 4>deep deep passionate Anti trump. Sentiment and you're gonna have

0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.720
<v Speaker 4>the Ten, cruises you, know The Marco rubios and The

0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.960
<v Speaker 4>jadevan's apologists trying to hold it, together and the old

0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.080
<v Speaker 4>Feeble man you, know still doing his you, know crazy,

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.520
<v Speaker 4>talks trying to gin back support. Up it's not coming

0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:51.600
<v Speaker 4>back like if they've turned it across The. Rubicon so let's.

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Talk LET i.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to do another minute with These trump influencers because

0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you have to explain to us what happened With Ben,

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Shapiro BECAUSE i Think Ben shapiro for these people is

0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:02.760
<v Speaker 1>a real cautionary.

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<v Speaker 4>Tale so Remember Ben shapiro literally catapults during the rise

0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.920
<v Speaker 4>Of trump and twenty fifteen as an Anti trump. Voice

0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.200
<v Speaker 4>he's the one who is saying this is not, conservatism

0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 4>this is, bad this is going to go. Wrong he,

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<v Speaker 4>then you, know is one of the first people to

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<v Speaker 4>turn And Jenny fleck and, Say, OKAY i get. IT i,

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<v Speaker 4>LOST i was. WRONG i got the feel of the

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<v Speaker 4>of The Republican party wrong and becomes This trump. Acolyte

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:34.399
<v Speaker 4>and there's the beneficiary of that that, becomes you, know

0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.840
<v Speaker 4>part of this, fissure which is not really as much

0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.960
<v Speaker 4>ideological as a as A i believe it's a network.

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<v Speaker 4>Disagreement WHAT i mean by that is the following sticks

0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:50.560
<v Speaker 4>With Ben shapiro until somebody else's network starts to get,

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<v Speaker 4>bigger and in this case It's Tucker. Carlson this fight

0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:57.320
<v Speaker 4>Between Tucker carlson And Ben shapiro presumably On, israel although

0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:00.840
<v Speaker 4>it's really about a bigger. Worldview it's starts With, israel

0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.439
<v Speaker 4>but now it's going to become about monetary policy and

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 4>About america first and protectionism and nativism and Who's american

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 4>and who's not, Right and so it starts as this

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:16.200
<v Speaker 4>you Know, israel you Know gaza, story but it's really a,

0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.359
<v Speaker 4>deep deep demarcation line where we used to have moderates versus.

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:23.960
<v Speaker 4>Conservatives it's now about two different worldviews of our engagement

0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:26.960
<v Speaker 4>in foreign alliances and who's pulling the, strings as they,

0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 4>say and the Protectionist america first, isolationists which Is tucker,

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 4>saying you were, You, maga you were never, Wrong we

0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 4>never should have got involved in. This you were betrayed By.

0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 4>Trump you are betrayed By Ben. Shapiro they suckered us into,

0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:48.439
<v Speaker 4>This so you don't have anything to apologize. For there to.

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:50.680
<v Speaker 4>Blame and that's WHAT i think is so appealing about

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.040
<v Speaker 4>What tucker is doing and Why Ben shapiro's spiraling and

0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:53.760
<v Speaker 4>collapsing right.

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<v Speaker 1>NOW i also, THINK i, Mean i'm no fan Of Ben,

0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:02.640
<v Speaker 1>shapiro but clearly Anti semitism is, huge.

0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:06.000
<v Speaker 4>Huge broadly by the, Way, yeah we're in a moment

0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:10.199
<v Speaker 4>where there's there's danger signs and red alarms going off and,

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 4>saying you, know Anti semitism is a unique hatred because

0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:18.760
<v Speaker 4>it's the sign of coming hatreds beyond, that M, m

0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 4>it's always the, first but it opens the door to everything.

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.160
<v Speaker 4>Else and that's what that moment has. Been and it's

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:25.960
<v Speaker 4>across both.

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Parties, yeah though it's much worse on the, RIGHT i

0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 1>mean for, sure for, Sure, YEAH i MEAN i definitely

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 1>THINK i see certainly see shades of it on the.

0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Left book not the. Same, no just watch. Out yes

0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:43.440
<v Speaker 1>that's right. NOW i wonder if we could talk, About

0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>uh so we're talking about like How trump found himself

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 1>in this moment where he was no longer controlling the.

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Narrative AND i think it started With. Epstein then it

0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:01.200
<v Speaker 1>was this wild foreign war. Adventures AND i remember being

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:05.320
<v Speaker 1>on television the day before The venezuela thing and, saying,

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:09.399
<v Speaker 1>Well trump will never go To venezuela because he hasn't

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 1>tried to sell it at all to The american. People

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 1>and you, know Even republicans try to sell a war

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>before doing. It AND i was completely. Wrong SO i

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 1>just want you to explain what you think happened there

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<v Speaker 1>and then how it got us To. IRAN i think properly.

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<v Speaker 4>Understood It's Donald trump think he had already sold. It

0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 4>he thinks that's what the campaign. Was hegsith becomes A

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 4>secretary of, war Not secretary Of, Defense like we're going

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.359
<v Speaker 4>on the. Offense and he believed that the election was

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.919
<v Speaker 4>a mandate for, that and so in his mind he

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 4>had sold this you, know, muscular you know foreign, policy

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 4>That america is going to Be america. Again we're going

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.440
<v Speaker 4>to go start taking stuff as a way of defending

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 4>our currency and taking on The. Chinese he starts flexing Against. Greenland,

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 4>right let's start. Negotiating we'll buy. It if, not we'll take.

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 4>It he Slaps canada in the. Face he starts you, know,

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 4>dropping you, know signs Into mexico with the, cartels like

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:09.960
<v Speaker 4>this is all, Ours it's all. Ours it's just a

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 4>matter of. Sequencing, look he's still going to Take, cuba you,

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:18.919
<v Speaker 4>know AND i Think taiwan becomes just a chess, Piece,

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:22.160
<v Speaker 4>like are we going to really Defend taiwan now with

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 4>with as extended as we. Are, no if she Wants,

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 4>taiwan he'll take it in a. Meccicas we're not gonna do

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 4>a thing about.

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<v Speaker 1>It so let's talk first about what's happening With, iran

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>because today there was this press conference heg. Seth you, know,

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 1>basically there are a lot of people who think that

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:44.919
<v Speaker 1>the ceasefire is, over and that they are really just

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 1>doing like a military action under the guise of not

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 1>and that we're sort of we're in this moment Where

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 1>trump is sort of saying something isn't, happening that is really.

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Happening that was the net net of the press CONFERENCE

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>i saw this, morning and SO i wonder what you think, That,

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>like how is that? Tenable and also the big thing

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>that is Making Donald trump the most unpopular more than

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 1>anything is the gas.

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 4>Prices so first of, all this is not tenable under any.

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.359
<v Speaker 4>Scenario the only possible way he gets out of this

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 4>he can't even like wake up to the and go,

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 4>okay let's pull out in declare. Victory his base isn't

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 4>gonna believe that even, now because of The epstein, stuff

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 4>because of getting into this, war because they feel. Betrayed

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 4>the only possible WAY i see it is there's got

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 4>to be a bigger. Distraction there's got to be another

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 4>war he's got to move to to, Say, okay, well declare.

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 4>Victory we took care of. This now we've got to

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.479
<v Speaker 4>go fight this. War No one's going to buy that.

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 4>Much but that's kind Of trump's world of. VIEW i

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 4>think that's the only possible escape patch he can. Pull

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.639
<v Speaker 4>the likelihood of this going all the way to the

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 4>end of The trump, PRESIDENCY i think is very very.

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 4>High and as you just correctly pointed, out we are

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 4>just now seeing the spiking gas prices in a meaning

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.840
<v Speaker 4>way just. Now like the last tankers have come Into

0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 4>Long beach In california with two hundred thousand barrels of,

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:10.160
<v Speaker 4>oil that's. It when it's, done the prices are gonna.

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 4>Spike even if we opened the straits, tomorrow there's going

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 4>to be dramatic. Spikes so you could see nine dollars

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 4>ten dollars a gallon gas In. California that's like six

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 4>dollars six fifty seven in other parts of the. Country

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 4>and as you correctly pointed, out like gas prices, are

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 4>that's our religion In, america like, that don't mess with.

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.920
<v Speaker 1>That AND i think like an important caveat is that,

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 1>diesel for whatever, reason is even more. Expensive and diesel

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>is the airplane. Fuel so when you have what happened

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>with With Spirit, airlines that doesn't exist in a vacuum

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 1>that comes directly from these diesel.

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 4>Prices boeing was projecting a four billion dollar profit that

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 4>they've had to come back from revised and say it's.

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Gone four billion dollars is gone with current current diesel,

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 4>prices and it's not going. Down so we're hitting the

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 4>point where the economy is going to start. Choking we're

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 4>choking the economy right. Now and it's all self. Owned

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 4>none of this had to, happen not one bit of,

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 4>it and The american people know. It.

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's interesting because it's LIKE i, have you, KNOW

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>i have this theory that want That trump is suffering

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>from a lot of the problems of the. Seventies i'm

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 1>not going to say who was president, then because everybody

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>of my let all my listeners love that, person including. Me,

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>yeah but he. Was he ran a foul of things

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>that were not his, fault, right Don trump is the exact.

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Opposite he's running a foul of things that are actually his.

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 3>Fault.

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah that's Why i'm saying if he had just

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 4>gone golfing at Mar A lago and drooled on himself

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 4>a little, bit and then we'd, laugh and you, know

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 4>we'd still be frightened by who he. Is but all

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 4>of this is all his own. Fault this is a

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 4>self owned in soccer parlor self goal like you scored on,

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 4>Yourself like this is. Everything everything he's, done the overreach

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 4>on the immigration, stuff the ice, raids the, crackdowns the masque,

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 4>porte the mass jack booted, thugs the tariff policy On Liberation,

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 4>day the offending The, canadians the you, know the the

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 4>slapping the face OF, nato the invasions Of, venezuela like

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 4>the war In, iran The epstein, file literally all of,

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 4>It all of, It molly is all a function of

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 4>his owning. Competence and when you realize it's not just

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 4>like a bad string of bad, decisions it's just he's

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 4>not capable mentally of managing this. Anymore and he's surrounded

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 4>himself not with talented. People say what you will About Joe,

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 4>biden the people around him knew how to run the damn.

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Government that means, yes, YES i mean, right but, yes

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>but there was but it was all And Tulci gabbard AND. R.

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 4>F K junior, like, yes these were these were maybe the, mistakes,

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 4>absolutely but.

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah but you can't compare that you had real government

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>people who knew how to. Government, yeah. PRECISELY i wonder,

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 1>now would you if you were Down trump and you

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>were woke up and Were Donald, trump what would what

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>would the first thing you would?

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 4>Do. Babic so here's the real, conundrum and it's a

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 4>conundrum not just for, him but it's for everybody. Else

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 4>is you have to literally make one hundred and eighty degree. Pivot,

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 4>yeah you have to SAY i made a, mistake which

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 4>is not In trump's. Vernacular he's literally not capable of.

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 4>It he'd rather lie about it and make that. Pivot

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 4>but he's still not doing. That maybe he. Does but

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 4>even if he, does LIKE i, said that, believability that

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 4>that blind trust after The epstein files lies is. GONE

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 4>i Mean Marjorie Taylor green left like where we're out

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 4>mass he's. Gone and so the Other republicans who are,

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 4>looking you, know These republican plus ten districts that are

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:40.719
<v Speaker 4>probably gonna. Lose what's the incentive anymore to defend. Him

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna have to start running away from. Him and

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 4>that's gonna be the next round of this by. Summer

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 4>is not only are they gonna not Want trump out

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 4>on the, Stump you're gonna start SAYING i. Disappear you're

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 4>start hearing people disagree with, him which you have never

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 4>seen in The trump. Era it is all new new territory.

0:31:56.880 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>And you're gonna AND i think it's important to realize

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 1>is that these people are Being they're making the craven

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>calculus That trump is so unpopular that they have to

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 1>break with.

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 4>Him and that's such an important point because, Again trump

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 4>has always been we can't live with, him we can't

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 4>live without. Him he is now more demonstrably more reliability

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 4>than an. Asset that has never been the case in

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 4>The republican. Base so now that's going to change the

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 4>entire dynamics of The republican. Caucus you Have Ted kruss

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 4>already flexing For. Iowa Tucker carlston is leaning into, this

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 4>the debate about whether it's it's going to Be vance

0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 4>Or Rubio Don junior showing, up you know with a

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 4>walking into the high is it going to Be Don?

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 4>Junior Like trump is not going to do well when

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 4>everyone else is talking about who's going to be the next.

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 4>President this gets more, erratic this gets more, difficult and

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 4>there's going to be more incentive to be Against trump

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 4>than for. Him and we've never been in that scenario

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 4>since twenty.

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Sixteen if you're The Republican party at this moment and

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>you are running Against, trump doesn't that mean that you

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>are coming, like won't you alienate what's left OF maga

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 1>by doing? That?

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah and that's for somebody like. Me that's the beauty

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 4>of the. Moment we've been waiting for this for ten.

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 4>Years we all knew this was. Coming Lindsey graham knew

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.479
<v Speaker 4>this was. Coming Marco rubio knew this was. Coming they

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 4>were saying. It this is the reckoning you are choosing

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 4>now Between it's a damned if you, do damned if you.

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 4>Don't you always chosen to be with him rather than against.

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 4>Him you are going to see more and More republicans

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 4>making the opposite. Choice that's What tucker's, Doing that's What

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 4>Megan kelly's, Doing that's What Candice owen's. Doing that's what

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 4>all these people are.

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Doing if you're a billionaire Like Jeff bezos and you've

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>been like basically trying to obey in advance With The

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 1>apprentice and you, know wanting to do The Don Junior

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:46.479
<v Speaker 1>apprentice And, milania when do you make the calculus that

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>you were always against.

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 4>This you'll make the calculus as late as, possible and

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 4>when there's new, leadership because they've got enough money to

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 4>buy their way back in regardless of his, there they don't.

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Care Mike madrid really, smart so, interesting a lot of

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>questions THAT i felt like you really answered for. Me thank.

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 4>You, thanks great to be with you.

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Always Kimberly crenshaw is a civil rights lawyer and the

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>author of Back, talker An american. Memoir, Welcome, Welcome. Kimberly

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 1>you're like the iconic law, professor law, scholar legal, genius

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.919
<v Speaker 1>and now you're here with a. Memoir, Hi, Hi, hi

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:31.799
<v Speaker 1>thanks for having me. On i'm so. EXCITED i wrote

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>a memoir, too SO i know what it's like to

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 1>come from one lane and not try but like you're

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 1>shifting into another. LANE i think of you as like

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:43.800
<v Speaker 1>one of the fundamental legal scholars who created an idea

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 1>which has a lot of salience in any which. Way

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and now here you are doing a, memoir which is

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 1>so it's like the preface and the, PostScript and so

0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 1>talk us through how different that.

0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 3>Is, well you, know a.

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 5>Legal, scotl especially among, academics is framed as somebody who

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 5>just analyzes legal, principles applies the special magic legal, analysis you,

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 5>know to come to some kind of legal. Conclusion, WELL

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 5>i never really bought into. That that's partly why the

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:25.399
<v Speaker 5>entire field That i've been part of exists to sort

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 5>of challenge that. Idea but even when you challenge the,

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:33.319
<v Speaker 5>idea you usually do so by moving around ideas and.

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 5>Principles you don't often, say, well WHEN i was five years,

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 5>OLD i really wanted to Be Thorne. Rosa it is very,

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 5>much you, know a different, register yet it is deeply

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:50.240
<v Speaker 5>connected to critical or e, sia to, intersectionality because those

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 5>ideas didn't simply come from my sitting in an office

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 5>somewhere in a light bulb you, know. Flashes it's instead

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 5>trying to make sense of my life over, time being

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 5>born in the sixties in the middle of The civil rights,

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 5>movement coming of age in the seventies in the middle

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 5>of The women's, movement and really trying to trace the

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 5>kind of experiences THAT i had that always raised a,

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:20.720
<v Speaker 5>question what about? This how come we're not talking about?

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.720
<v Speaker 5>That so just bringing all those questions together over time

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 5>is what led me to ask some of the questions

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 5>of the law that led to, intersectionality that led to

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 5>critical a.

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 3>Theory so it's a.

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:38.760
<v Speaker 5>Response to the way that these ideas have traveled into,

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 5>culture but it's a response that locates it in the

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 5>experience of lived lives here in this country in the

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 5>twentieth twenty first, century not something that came From europe

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 5>or not something that's, fantastical but something that's material and.

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Real it's funny BECAUSE i was going to ask, you

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>AND i want to ask you about the insane ruling

0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:04.919
<v Speaker 1>from This Supreme court to just strike down the voting

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>right To, act Which i'm sure you could have told

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>me a long time was, coming especially because you worked

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 1>on The Anita hill. HEARINGS i.

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.800
<v Speaker 5>DID i did so WHEN i came into law, teaching

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 5>there were so few black women that most of, us

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.399
<v Speaker 5>if we didn't know each other, personally we knew of each.

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Other so when it WAS i, mean you have to

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 3>go back to the.

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Hearings in nineteen ninety.

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 3>One nineteen ninety, one it was very.

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 5>Contested even When Clarence thomas was nominated by the First

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 5>President bush to Replace Thurgood, marshall who was a civil rights.

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 5>Hero so obviously there was controversy Because Clarence thomas was

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:47.240
<v Speaker 5>never seen as pro civil.

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:49.839
<v Speaker 3>Rights Now i've never seen as someone who.

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:54.319
<v Speaker 5>Is about trying to Continue Thirdgood marshall's. Legacy so it

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 5>was controversial from the. Start and then there was a

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:03.799
<v Speaker 5>report that he had been accused of sexual harassment by

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 5>someone who was.

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Not trying to come.

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 5>Forward she just had shared the story with someone and

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 5>it made its way to The Judiciary, committee and then

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 5>she was subpoena to. Come WHEN i realized it was

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 5>SOMEONE i, KNEW i reached out to her just to

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 5>see if she needed support and, help and in, fact

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 5>she was pulling together her legal. Team so that NIGHT

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 5>i was on a plane heading To, washington D. C

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 5>SO i was at a front seat at one of

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:35.360
<v Speaker 5>the most consequential moments In american. Politics and WHAT i

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 5>write about in this moment is how the failure of

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 5>anti racism to anticipate a gendered reality for black women

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 5>that might be different from the way black men experienced.

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 5>Racism AND i would say a similar failure in the

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 5>part of some feminists to understand that although all feminists

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 5>are subject to or all women are subject to some

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 5>form of sexual harassmen and other people as, well the

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 5>history of black people with respect to you, know stereotypes

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:14.240
<v Speaker 5>about deviant sexuality and the way in Which black people

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 5>are diminished by these stereotypes made it that much more

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 5>complicated for a black women to come. Forward nobody wanted

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 5>to talk about those. Complications so When Clarence thomas waltzes

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.439
<v Speaker 5>in and says this is nothing but a high tech,

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 5>lynching millions of, people Especially black, people who were kind

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 5>of sitting on the fence About Clarence, thomas went way

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 5>over to the other, side and their justification for it

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 5>was sexual harassment is not a black woman's. Issue that

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 5>blew my mind because sexual harassment actually sort of came

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.760
<v Speaker 5>from black women's. Experiences they were some of the primary.

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 5>Plaintiffs so this was a history that our community didn't.

0:39:56.719 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 5>Know it hadn't been told. Much so the split was

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 5>easier to break the coalition against this anti civil rights.

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 5>Nomination so it was traumatizing in so many. Ways it

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 5>really challenged my sense of the. We but what it

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 5>did do When Clarence thomas was finally confirmed by the

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 5>smallest margin in, history a colleague of mine AND i

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 5>one of the only black men who came TO dc

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 5>to Support, anita we both, said this is going to

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:30.880
<v Speaker 5>change the rest of our, life and it.

0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Did it changed our.

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:35.360
<v Speaker 5>Lives we're, looking you, know right now to a moment

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 5>where the crown jewel of the civil rights movement has

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 5>been crushed by A Supreme court that's largely led By Clarence.

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 5>Thomas we lost so much of the civil rights infrastructure

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 5>that people, fought bled and died.

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 3>For and much of this was made.

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 5>Possible when we don't have effective coalitions and effective interface

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:02.719
<v Speaker 5>between many of the issues that we fight. Against our

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:07.919
<v Speaker 5>fight against, racism in our fight against patriarchy often aren't smoothly,

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 5>interactional and that's what my work has always been trying

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 5>to help.

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Facilitate it's funny because you, KNOW i Had my mother

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:20.320
<v Speaker 1>was Is Eric, johng who's like very white, feminist you,

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 1>know just did not have a lot of ability to

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 1>see any struggle beyond her, own which you know is

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:30.400
<v Speaker 1>a real. Failing and one of the things when you

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 1>talk about, this you, know she was born in nineteen forty,

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 1>two and she couldn't put together that what she was

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 1>trying to do was orders of magnitude harder and more

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 1>complicated for black. Women but WHEN i think so much

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 1>about what we know about sexual, harassment and we know.

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.359
<v Speaker 1>That you, know there's it's much more about power than

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>it is about.

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 5>Sex absolutely, Right and it is also ABOUT i call

0:41:55.680 --> 0:42:00.120
<v Speaker 5>it asymmetric, solidarities And i'll just correct. Way women are

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 5>expected to stand strong and, firm you.

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Know with the men in their.

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 5>Communities black women in, particular are often disciplined by this

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 5>idea that our primary battle is around race where we,

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:19.760
<v Speaker 5>diverge you, know where black women experience something different from black.

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 5>Men the idea is we can wait to deal with.

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 5>That we have to deal with the primary, directive and

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:31.239
<v Speaker 5>the primary directive is racial. Advancement, well what about the

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 5>fact that you, Know Clarence thomas wasn't standing in solidarity

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 5>With Anita hill in her career, advancement sexually harassed. Her

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 5>so this is sort of WHAT i mean WHEN i

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:47.280
<v Speaker 5>say we're often expected to ride or die with, men

0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 5>and men are not expected to ride or die with.

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 5>Us this is across the, board but it's particularly challenging

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 5>when you are collectively fighting against. Racism but some forms of,

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 5>racism they're sort of a footnote or.

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 3>Asterisk you. Know we can come back and consider that, lately.

0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:07.839
<v Speaker 1>AND i, mean we saw that in the sixties from

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 1>some black men, too that the idea that black women

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 1>they could be disposable to us to some, extent that

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:17.759
<v Speaker 1>their plight was not as important as the larger. Plight

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and you, know you see with white women right that

0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 1>they overlay identify with their whiteness over they're being disempowered

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and the marriage.

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Gender is often secondary and we forget.

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 5>That like so many people were surprised about the fact

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 5>that the majority of white women did not Support harris

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:39.800
<v Speaker 5>and instead Supported.

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 3>Trump kind of, like, well what are we forgetting about?

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:46.920
<v Speaker 5>Gender that we've learned over and over again the primary

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 5>identification often among all women is with, men regardless of

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:56.359
<v Speaker 5>what the men the male agenda. Is so it could

0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 5>be you, Know i'm going to take away your reproductive,

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:03.560
<v Speaker 5>freedom going to take away your right to work to

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:04.200
<v Speaker 5>pursue a.

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Career too many women are willing to abide by that

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:13.680
<v Speaker 3>because of the larger investment that they have with their

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 3>communities as defined and led and dictated by the men

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 3>in their. Lives is.

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 5>Interesting it's the one thing you know that women across

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 5>all races kind of have in common is primary. Orientation

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 5>SO i try to talk to women and other people

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 5>about the damaging dimension of that primary, affiliation and the

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 5>refusal to think about what happens when all of these

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 5>isms come, together but our politics do not come together

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 5>to fight.

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 1>THEM i want to ask you about the sort of

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 1>polite racism of the rejection Of Harris, yea because one

0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:53.240
<v Speaker 1>of the things we would hear on the, trail WHICH,

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 1>i being, NAIVE i thought it meant what they were,

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 1>saying but NOW i realized they were being polite. Racist

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:03.319
<v Speaker 1>but polite, racist they would, say we like hars we

0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:05.240
<v Speaker 1>just don't know enough about.

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 5>Her so we know about the, racist sexually assaulted stranger

0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:18.400
<v Speaker 5>to the truth That trump. Is so it's more important

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:21.840
<v Speaker 5>to know his failings than it is.

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 3>To take a chance with someone who has none of those.

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 5>Things in a. RESUME i couldn't agree. More it is polite.

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.439
<v Speaker 5>Racism it is a way of justifying AND i think

0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 5>so many things were going, on you, know really across the.

0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 5>Board so of course all candidates have issues that make

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 5>them less than. Ideal we've never had a candidate who was,

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 5>ideal so let's just put, that you, know out. There

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 5>but what seems to be operative here is a reluctance

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:57.440
<v Speaker 5>to imagine a woman as the chief, executive and then

0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.919
<v Speaker 5>on top of that a set of rhetorics that were

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.280
<v Speaker 5>particularly racialized that.

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 3>Made her even more of a target of.

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:09.800
<v Speaker 5>Disdain, so, look people said horrible things About Hillary, clinton

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 5>but they didn't call her a.

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Slut they did not invoke sexuality With Hillary. Clinton and

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 1>both of them dressed in that same, way the only

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>available lane for women, politicians, right pan, suits, subtle casual,

0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:28.960
<v Speaker 1>jewelry short.

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 5>Hair you, know they don't the professional look, Right and

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:35.719
<v Speaker 5>we understand why they felt they needed to dress that.

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 5>Way that's the sexiest part of, it the massogyn, noir you,

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:43.759
<v Speaker 5>know is even Though Kamala harris dressed that, way she

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 5>could not escape the pre existing stereotypes that were always

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 5>available to toss at any black, woman no matter her,

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:55.200
<v Speaker 5>authority her, accomplishment her. Intelligence she was still going to

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 5>be called a, slut and the media were not really

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:01.360
<v Speaker 5>going to call people to task on.

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 3>It it was, like what can you?

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Do and it's funny because WHEN i interviewed her For Annie,

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 1>FAIR i just went through the things she had. Done.

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Right she had Been Attorney, general she had been you,

0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.319
<v Speaker 1>know she had had all of these. Jobs she had

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 1>been A da she had been the govern you, know

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 1>she hadn't been the, governor but she had had she

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 1>been a, Senator she had all these. Jobs she had

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:25.719
<v Speaker 1>been the first black woman in many of these jobs and.

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Had been successful at. Them of, course.

0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Of course that you reckon with right and had gotten

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:35.120
<v Speaker 1>elected from each, job you, know and it just it didn't,

0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Matter it didn't. MATTER i want to go back to

0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:41.280
<v Speaker 1>this idea Of Thurgood marshall To. Thomas there's another thought

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:44.760
<v Speaker 1>experiment here which was so upsetting to, me but now

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:47.719
<v Speaker 1>it seems like really makes sense in, history which IS

0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:49.880
<v Speaker 1>rbg to. Justice.

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:55.920
<v Speaker 5>Amy, yeah that's a, parallel that is, definitely you, know

0:47:56.000 --> 0:48:01.840
<v Speaker 5>the relevant. Parallel SO i wonder when other organized women

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 5>learned a lesson from organized black, people Because thomas had

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:11.959
<v Speaker 5>a lot of, support even from some traditional. GROUPS, sclc

0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 5>which Was Martin Luther king's, organization supported, him The nation Of,

0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:22.640
<v Speaker 5>islam you, know The Black nationalists supported. Him so there

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 5>was sort of across the board support and even those

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:30.880
<v Speaker 5>organizations that opposed, him like The National Bar association or THE.

0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:32.479
<v Speaker 5>Naacp it was a big.

0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 3>Fight it was.

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:37.840
<v Speaker 5>Split but When Amy coley came, ALONG i think the

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:43.840
<v Speaker 5>women's community was a bit more unified in opposition Than African.

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 5>Americans SO i do wonder whether the idea, that, well

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.760
<v Speaker 5>having a black person is better than having no black.

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:55.360
<v Speaker 5>Person we saw that that wasn't necessarily. True so it

0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:59.320
<v Speaker 5>could be that women sort of learned a lesson from

0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 5>hoping that there's some internal woman that was going to

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 5>jump out and suddenly repudiate all the things that made her,

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.040
<v Speaker 5>attractive you, know To trump in the first. Place that

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:12.320
<v Speaker 5>was never going to. Happen With Clarence, thomas it. Didn't,

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:16.960
<v Speaker 5>fortunately people seem to understand For amy Colly rant that

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 5>that was. Unlikely at the end of the. Day of,

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 5>course she still does her. Damage at the end of the,

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:26.560
<v Speaker 5>day her being on that court doesn't, Matter, yeah doesn't.

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:30.280
<v Speaker 5>Matter it really just helps to legitimize the anti woman

0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:31.960
<v Speaker 5>agenda that's playing out.

0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 1>There right right, Right and you Have thomas doing the

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:38.360
<v Speaker 1>same with the same Right so, clearly like one of

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:42.399
<v Speaker 1>the big failings of second wave feminism was the inability

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:48.240
<v Speaker 1>to imagine that being woman was different for different groups of, people,

0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 1>right and that you would have different, challenges and that

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 1>they and those different challenges would need different. Solutions now

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:58.799
<v Speaker 1>we're in a moment Where trump has really clearly there

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.440
<v Speaker 1>was a lot of progress. Coming So Donald, trump you,

0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:04.160
<v Speaker 1>know became this sort of vehicle for a pushback of.

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Progress you don't get a backlash like this unless there's.

0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 3>Progress serious forward.

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Momentum, yeah so what do you think of the next? Move?

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 3>Is, oh, gosh you, know people has me all the.

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:20.239
<v Speaker 5>Time so my standard response, is you, KNOW i can't call.

0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:23.480
<v Speaker 5>IT i can't call it because we are we are

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:27.319
<v Speaker 5>living a history that we've lived before in, which you, know,

0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 5>like let's let's take. Reconstruction we had eight years a

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 5>forward momentum towards really creating an inclusive. Democracy we had

0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:38.960
<v Speaker 5>a retrenchment period that lasted seven.

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Decades Jesus, christ seven.

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 5>Decades so you, know this is clearly a one to

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 5>two steps forward twenty steps, back you, know kind of

0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:53.520
<v Speaker 5>momentum that we've had in our. Society and the case

0:50:53.560 --> 0:50:59.760
<v Speaker 5>that was just Decided wednesday is absolutely, devastating not only

0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:03.800
<v Speaker 5>to The Voting Rights act, itself but to this idea

0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:07.280
<v Speaker 5>that there are imperatives that came out of that movement

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.200
<v Speaker 5>that we still all sign on. To that that is

0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:14.080
<v Speaker 5>actually what is disintegrating in front of our. Eyes and

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 5>while that disintegration is. Happening there is ambivalence on the

0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:21.960
<v Speaker 5>part of progressives about how much to fight for those in.

0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:24.600
<v Speaker 5>Pair it where we can still say the words that

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 5>we used to, Say.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you think About, mississippi, right that's a state

0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:33.320
<v Speaker 1>that should have black senators or at least not white racist.

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:36.840
<v Speaker 1>SENATORS eli, right at the very. LEAST i, mean that's a,

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:40.359
<v Speaker 1>state is a, mean it's a majority block. State, yeah

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:42.880
<v Speaker 1>so what the fuck is going? On i'm, SORRY i

0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.080
<v Speaker 1>don't mean to, curse but it's, just you, KNOW.

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.239
<v Speaker 5>I think those are appropriate words for this moment to

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:48.759
<v Speaker 5>tell you the.

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Truth you, know here's the shocking.

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:56.839
<v Speaker 5>Reality mississippi has always been a minority rule. State when

0:51:56.880 --> 0:52:00.600
<v Speaker 5>we look at the former slave, states many of, states

0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:05.239
<v Speaker 5>and clearly some of the sub political divisions were always

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:09.520
<v Speaker 5>about how to maintain power in white hands over and

0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:14.040
<v Speaker 5>against majorities or near majorities of black. People what was

0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:17.120
<v Speaker 5>so brilliant about The Voting Rights act is that it

0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 5>anticipated that that instinct to try to maintain control would

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:26.200
<v Speaker 5>find mechanisms and. Tactics as soon as one got struck,

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 5>down they'd come up with another, one and another one

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 5>and another.

0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:31.160
<v Speaker 3>One what The Voting Rights act.

0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:33.960
<v Speaker 5>Said is we're not going to outlaw or name any

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 5>specific things that they can't. Do we're going to say

0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:41.320
<v Speaker 5>that what you cannot do is undermine the voting power

0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:46.560
<v Speaker 5>of these substantial. Populations and because of those, protections that's.

0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:48.400
<v Speaker 3>Why we had so many elected.

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:51.680
<v Speaker 5>Officials that's why we had the ability of people In

0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:56.319
<v Speaker 5>mississippi And louisiana to elect someone of their. Choice it

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:59.480
<v Speaker 5>is because of the effectiveness of The Voting Rights act

0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:02.960
<v Speaker 5>that there was such a desire to get rid of.

0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:07.040
<v Speaker 5>It as you AND i are talking right, now in those,

0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:09.799
<v Speaker 5>states they've gotten the green light OR i like to,

0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:12.399
<v Speaker 5>say you, know, yeha, boys let's go at.

0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:13.839
<v Speaker 3>It and they're going at.

0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:19.080
<v Speaker 5>It they're suspending, elections they're redrawing districts because they know

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.920
<v Speaker 5>that there's not a substantial pushback to the erasure of

0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:27.400
<v Speaker 5>black political power and black. Presence that's what we've shown

0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:30.319
<v Speaker 5>over the last two years that we're not going to

0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:34.400
<v Speaker 5>the mat to fight over these. Things my only hope

0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:38.319
<v Speaker 5>is that the devastation From calais impacts so many other

0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:42.759
<v Speaker 5>interests that they're finally is this fire and desire to

0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:47.400
<v Speaker 5>name the problem of racism and white supremacy and, Politics

0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:52.600
<v Speaker 5>White christian nationalism in our cultural, politics and there comes

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:55.279
<v Speaker 5>out of that a commitment to fight. It but that's

0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:57.759
<v Speaker 5>WHY i can't call it BECAUSE i look at some

0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:00.719
<v Speaker 5>of my allies and it's almost the last thing they

0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 5>want to talk about rather than the first.

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Thing you really do see, that, like were you registering

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:09.279
<v Speaker 1>voters In? Mississippi this is a problem that should be

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:14.080
<v Speaker 1>solved by righting the wrong that is black voter, disenfranchisement, Right,

0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:16.279
<v Speaker 1>like that's what, this you, know if you want to

0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 1>solve this, problem you solve this problem by registering those,

0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:22.400
<v Speaker 1>voters and then you don't have any of these senators In.

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:24.759
<v Speaker 1>Mississippi you have the real people who live.

0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:27.680
<v Speaker 5>There, well they can't vote an election in which they

0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:30.760
<v Speaker 5>have an opportunity to actually elect someone of their choice

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:34.720
<v Speaker 5>because of all the gerrymandering and. Rigging we are told

0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:38.279
<v Speaker 5>that to actually address that problem is to create the.

0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:43.480
<v Speaker 5>Problem so addressing racism is racism. Itself they've been able

0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:46.359
<v Speaker 5>to screw us with that framework for the last ten,

0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:49.120
<v Speaker 5>years and now the chicken has really come home to.

0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Roost thank, you thank, you thank, you thank.

0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:53.719
<v Speaker 3>You this my, leasure.

0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:57.239
<v Speaker 4>No, Moment.

0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Jesse Canna, By we're just talking About Nancy mason the

0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:06.439
<v Speaker 2>intro this. Podcast this is actually. Interesting she's pushed so

0:55:06.480 --> 0:55:09.680
<v Speaker 2>that we have newly released documents that reveal we've paid

0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:12.640
<v Speaker 2>out more than three hundred thousand dollars in taxpayer funded

0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:14.719
<v Speaker 2>sexual harassment subtlements involving our.

0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Wallmakers what are the interesting things happening right now, is

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:22.320
<v Speaker 1>even though we are in this moment of complete fuck

0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:25.440
<v Speaker 1>right when it comes to our rights and The american,

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:30.960
<v Speaker 1>government there are small moves towards progress and it's. Wild

0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:34.080
<v Speaker 1>so what's happened here is there are three women In

0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 1>congress who are complete, lunatics but who are focused on

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:43.800
<v Speaker 1>one good. Thing and they Are Nancy mays And Lauren

0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:50.399
<v Speaker 1>beaupert And Appaulina, luna AND i would not trust them

0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:54.320
<v Speaker 1>with anything except. This the three of them are working

0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:58.440
<v Speaker 1>together to try to expose the culture of sexism and

0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:03.520
<v Speaker 1>all of this sort of terrible stuff that is going

0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:08.480
<v Speaker 1>on with women and sexual. Harassment and, look it's good

0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:11.600
<v Speaker 1>that they're doing, it AND i think it's. GOOD i

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:15.680
<v Speaker 1>think you have to be really suspicious of whatever this

0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:18.160
<v Speaker 1>crew is doing it with the exception of, THIS i

0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:21.759
<v Speaker 1>actlutely think this is. Good So i'm really glad to

0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:25.160
<v Speaker 1>see this, happening AND i think this is, good and,

0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:27.680
<v Speaker 1>like there was a really good piece written about this

0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 1>By Annie karney and The New York. Times i'm a

0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Big Annie karney. Fan she Covers congress really, well but

0:56:32.960 --> 0:56:36.279
<v Speaker 1>she's also just it's a very nuanced thing to have

0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:40.600
<v Speaker 1>members Of congress who are both for the good and

0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:45.600
<v Speaker 1>also kind of. Kooky and so it's a really nuanced.

0:56:45.640 --> 0:56:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Piece it's worth, reading and it's worth digesting that this

0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:53.880
<v Speaker 1>is a sort of weird step forward for us As american.

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<v Speaker 1>Women that's it for this episode Of Fast. Politics tune In, Monday, Wednesday,

0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:06.640
<v Speaker 1>thursday And saturday to hear the best minds and politics

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:10.319
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