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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we can't believe the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: or the Ravens are going to be one in three

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Speaker 1: after this week.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: I'm here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio. It is

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Speaker 1: a full house today, my friends, Patrick Claybond, Jordan Rodrigue

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Speaker 1: and returning the King Steve Wife.

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Speaker 2: Yes, welcome to NFL Daily. You're back.

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Speaker 3: I'm back.

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Speaker 4: I'm fired up. Went through a whole weekend of games.

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Speaker 4: You know, did the Commanders Raiders? Did the Ravens getting it?

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Speaker 4: Get handed a little bit by the Lion. So I'm

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Speaker 4: in the spirit.

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Speaker 1: I like when you're giving us the good stuff before

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Speaker 1: the show start. I just want those elbows to stay

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Speaker 1: as sharp as they are, or the mics turned on, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, always always.

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Speaker 2: How are we feeling, guys, good?

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Speaker 5: How are you feeling? I'm ready for your trip?

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 2: We're going tonight. I'm going tonight. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: we got to have so much fun.

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Speaker 1: I am looking forward to it. We got a couple

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Speaker 1: of shows right right when we land in Dublin. But

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Speaker 1: we got a couple shows now, including that Ravens Chiefs banger.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get into it.

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Speaker 6: The Baltimore Ravens favored by two and a half because

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Speaker 6: the planet hates me.

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Speaker 3: Against the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 6: Over under forty eight and a half, we get Jim,

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Speaker 6: Tony and Tracy on the call.

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Speaker 3: The defense kind of got a little bit exposed.

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Speaker 6: Derek Henry fumbled for the third time in the fourth

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Speaker 6: quarter this season. The Ravens stonewalled at the goal line.

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Speaker 3: Jordan. Other than that, miss Lincoln, how was he played?

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Speaker 7: It does not feel right to me that Derrick Henry

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Speaker 7: is having fumbling issues. It just does not feel congruous

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Speaker 7: with the universe to me that our King Derrick Henry

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Speaker 7: is having fumbling issues. And I don't like to see

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Speaker 7: him in mental turmoil and emotional turmoil on the sideline,

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Speaker 7: throwing his helmet and being so upset with himself and

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Speaker 7: costing these games, swinging these games in these massive moments. Patrick,

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Speaker 7: I'm sort of channeling you as I speak as well.

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Speaker 7: It's just it doesn't feel like that is right with

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Speaker 7: the universe. But also the Chiefs being you know, to

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Speaker 7: or one and two also does not feel necessarily right

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Speaker 7: with you. This is a weird game.

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Speaker 1: Why are you mad that the chief the Ravens are

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Speaker 1: favored in this game.

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Speaker 2: You think that's going to give you some bad.

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Speaker 3: No, I actually don't think it matters.

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Speaker 6: Just lamenting the circumstances has I got almost every single

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Speaker 6: pick that I could possibly get wrong last week, and

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Speaker 6: of course the team losing, and I really think with

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Speaker 6: the Henry fumbles too, of those were great defensive plays.

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Speaker 2: On the head.

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Speaker 5: I just don't like seeing him be upset. That's all.

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Speaker 1: But the run game The bigger issue to me, then

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Speaker 1: the thumblane is just the run game stinks like for

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Speaker 1: two games. Obviously it was incredible week one, but they

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Speaker 1: haven't had consistent running the last two weeks and they

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Speaker 2: That's like, not the Ravens. We know well, I tell

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Speaker 4: The run game stink a large part because the receivers

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Speaker 4: in the box watching this offense. Lamar couldn't. There was

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Speaker 4: nobody could open other than Mark Andrews, typically as the

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Speaker 4: last option, not as the first priority. They Flowers, they

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Speaker 4: doubled him and said, beat us with your other guys.

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Speaker 3: This is the Lions.

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Speaker 4: Now, They're not known necessary to have a great now

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Speaker 3: Ryan Brandt is really good player, doesn't get talked about enough.

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Speaker 4: But with knowing that they could they could stop the

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Speaker 4: just didn't miss. I mean anytime Lamar had a run lane,

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Speaker 4: they were so disciplined with the run lanes. Detroit just

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Speaker 7: And I want to say, too, you can run against

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Speaker 7: this Chiefs team. They're twenty ninth in Russia. That's staggering

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Speaker 7: defensive rushing success rate. They are not. I mean, this

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Speaker 7: is that's what's stunning to me. Like the Ravens took

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Speaker 7: the Chiefs being this susceptible to the run is stunning

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Speaker 1: And it feels like of the two teams, I would

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Speaker 2: You're right.

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Speaker 1: Like the Lions who are known for playing so much man,

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Speaker 1: they were in zone all night. It did, it did

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Speaker 1: mix them up a little bit. I thought Lamar, like Lamar,

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Speaker 1: but him having to be that good is a problem.

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Speaker 1: So Patrick Mahomes talked this week and the Chiefs defense,

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Speaker 1: have been better overall the last two weeks. And Eric,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think for us, we got to start faster.

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Speaker 8: I think every game we've we've kind of said that

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Speaker 8: we haven't really got to do that. And we were

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Speaker 8: we weren't were settling with field goals. And when you

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Speaker 8: quarterbacks like the Ravens do, you got to get to

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Speaker 8: turn those into touchdowns and that that will not only

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Speaker 8: put pressure on them, but it unleashes Spags will be

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Speaker 8: always see when we it leads is like he's great,

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Speaker 8: he's a great finisher. He's a great closure of being

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Speaker 8: And so we got to take pressure off our defense

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Speaker 7: Hey, look at that, you guys. It's the Kansas City

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Speaker 7: Chiefs leading rusher about thirty yards right now. Isaiah Pacheco

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Speaker 1: He is the best scrambler according to next Gen Stats

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Speaker 1: in terms of efficiency in the NFL this year most

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Speaker 1: yards like, not Lamar, not Josh Allen, It's Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 4: He's it. I mean, the receivers can't get open. Jordan

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Speaker 4: and I were texting about this a little while ago.

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Speaker 4: it's Mahomes. I mean, he's got got to run for

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Speaker 2: And glad he brought that up about the offensive line.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Steve, we're texting me too.

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Speaker 1: That is disappointed to me. I am a little jealous also,

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Speaker 2: I think on the team.

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Speaker 1: Josh Simmons we got so excited about in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a problem, but he's not standing out.

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Speaker 3: He's not their issue.

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Speaker 1: He isn't, but overall the group is an issue. And

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Speaker 1: he's a rookie. You're hoping a rookie to just fit

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Speaker 1: the rest of the group outside of Creed Humphrey struggling

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Speaker 1: to the Ravens though Patrick have the pass rush to

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Speaker 1: actually like take advantage. It's crazy how much negative things

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Speaker 1: But they really aren't playing well. It's not that they're unlucky.

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Speaker 1: I think to be one and two, they look like

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Speaker 6: Well, I think the pressures and again Steve pointed it out,

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Speaker 6: and that's the Ultimately, the Lions had a great game

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Speaker 6: Where if Madibike is in the game right and they

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Speaker 6: ever a couple. I'm on raw and that's to the

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Speaker 1: You got Taekwon Thort. Taekwon Thoron is kind of the

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Speaker 3: Which is a crazy thing to say.

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Speaker 2: It's it's pretty depressing. And Mahomes mentioned the blitz and

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Speaker 2: how they need to help out Spags. It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think that actually does show up in the numbers

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Speaker 1: a little bit because he's wrong about the blitz this year,

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Speaker 1: Like they're blitzing like crazy and they're not really getting pressure.

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Speaker 1: I know overall they've done a good job the last

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Speaker 2: They actually have less pressure when they're blitzing.

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Speaker 1: So I do think, man, a team that doesn't rush

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Speaker 1: the passer well against Lamar Jackson is a tough recipe.

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Speaker 1: It's and yeah, if I was a Ravens fan like you,

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Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm.

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Speaker 3: Gonna an these two teams play each other to.

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs have beaten the Ravens, by the way in

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Speaker 1: the Lamar Patrick Mahomes era five out of six times,

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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh? Like where are you at with I'm a

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Speaker 1: as I feel like he gets a little tight in

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Speaker 1: big spots. And he's got to read his team and

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Speaker 1: understand his defense is not it right now? And let

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, for instance, last week go for a fourth

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, in my personal bias on the fourth and

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Speaker 6: It didn't work that time. Get rid of it. Why

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Speaker 6: don't we keep one of the most dynamic pocket passers

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Speaker 3: So that that was frustrating.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, when it's compared with Dan Campbell and the Lions,

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Speaker 6: one fourth down decision, and then another where it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: It was a beautiful play though, if you go back

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Speaker 4: and watch the film, I'm gonna try to describe this.

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Speaker 3: There was it was.

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Speaker 4: It was one of the most beautifully schemed up stings.

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Speaker 4: So Ben Johnson, you're Chicago now, the guy who took

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's no way anybody could have stop.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, yeah, if your team gets

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Speaker 6: Yeah, looking forward to Minnesota, A two and a half

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Speaker 3: Podcasts, Sky Sports Podcasts. Get getting set for it, Greg.

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Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers is going to get a win in Dublin,

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Speaker 2: It would be so typical and I am on the call.

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Speaker 1: You're right for tok Sport, go check it out halftime

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Speaker 1: with Sky sports. If you're over there and interested at all,

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Speaker 1: this is a game where if all you got to do,

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Speaker 1: if you're Mike tom and you want to like motivational

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Speaker 1: It rather was the ambassador, like we are the Ireland team.

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Speaker 1: We're going over there. They have so many Steelers fans.

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Speaker 1: both two and one. The Vikings are starting Carson Wentz,

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Speaker 2: Like, that's disrespect.

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Speaker 5: I have maybe a better motivational line for you.

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Speaker 7: If you're Mike Tomlin talking to his quarterback who's looked

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Speaker 7: Rogers scored just as many freaking touchdowns as you did

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Speaker 5: What do you gotta do about it?

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Speaker 7: Isaiah Rodgers scored two touchdowns by himself for the Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 5: That's a corner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't give him another one.

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Speaker 1: I am worried if I'm Aaron Rodgers going up against

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Speaker 2: Instead, they have really.

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Speaker 4: Jordan Natis is coming back from Minnesota, so I I

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Speaker 7: But coming back, I mean coming back, and then you know,

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Speaker 7: You know, you guys mentioned the Vikings front, and I

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Speaker 7: This is a team that has a number two in

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Speaker 3: That's what he does.

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Speaker 7: Because those interior guys are getting pushed. Jalen Redmond is

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Speaker 7: this is exactly the matchup I'm watching here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like half their offense and almost all their big

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Speaker 1: Last week Arthur Smith was like Delan in the first quarter,

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Speaker 5: Wait clarify which Rogers, Aaron.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, like Howie has taken a little bit of heat

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Speaker 1: I can just imagine the Steelers defense showing up because

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Speaker 6: If we script it that way, though, I think we

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Speaker 6: to have like this categorical failure that they haven't shown

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Speaker 3: Where it's just like does Carson Wentz need to do that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But there's magic in them their hills, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like the it's like the shamrock under the parquet

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Speaker 9: I think a lot about the late Ambassador Rooney Man

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Speaker 9: I'm sure he's gonna be smiling down at us this weekend.

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Speaker 1: When when Dan Rooney and some of the other owners,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was open minded guy too.

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Speaker 4: I mean not just like Okay, let's do it this way,

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Speaker 4: like let's hear it what everyone else to say, and

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm gonna have a hard time picking this game.

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Speaker 1: It's not about the magic. It's more I keep saying,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing worse than a moral victory in the NFL

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Speaker 1: where you get the l I feel like the Steelers

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Speaker 1: play better, like they will have better games, their defense

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Speaker 2: Me if it was this week.

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Speaker 7: Okay, if I give you a statistic, I'm not expecting

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Speaker 7: but this might help you, just sway you just a

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Speaker 7: little bit, because I know you're worried about Carson Wentze

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Speaker 7: or my colleague Mike Sando at the Athletic Kevin O'Connell

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Speaker 7: those games, the Vikings defense has totaled almost twenty times

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Speaker 1: They are the one group in this game that I

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Speaker 2: I did it. But I don't really way, I'm not confident.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait, can't wait.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm excited for it, and yeah, maybe the safe

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Speaker 5: As we all know I didn't really go ahead and

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Speaker 6: Thank you Carson Love that the Chicago Bears one and

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Speaker 6: a half point favorites after Caleb Williams those four touchdowns

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think they can't.

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Speaker 4: It's you know, I saw Las Vegas last week and

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Speaker 4: Remember they opened at New England, had to go back

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Speaker 4: to Washington. Uh, didn't play well. I thought they were

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Speaker 4: pretty uninspired in fact against the Commander.

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Speaker 3: So I think being at home, they know they'll be tested.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just weird. You know.

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Speaker 4: Offensively, we thought they were gonna be better with gent

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Speaker 4: and everything. Their offensive line got handed to them by

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Speaker 4: the Commanders. Chicago's got a defensive front that can that

447
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Speaker 4: can kind of get into him a little bit.

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Speaker 2: What did you say with Genty?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, with Genty, is is weird because he had a

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Speaker 4: physical run earlier a couple times, and then I didn't

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Speaker 4: see that physicality much anymo very And we've seen in

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Speaker 4: a couple of games where he started off piling a

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Speaker 4: dB or somebody. And he's a very talented player, but

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Speaker 4: he still Washington. They just we're looking at clips here

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Speaker 4: where they're into him before he gets going. Yeah, and

456
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Speaker 4: so you really don't know necessarily what to make of

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Speaker 4: him because you look on the surface, like man, he's

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Speaker 4: not as physical necessarily as his build, right, But then

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Speaker 4: he doesn't get a chance to get going either at

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Speaker 4: that second level where he can make a guy miss

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Speaker 4: and and put some of that musculature on him. So

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Speaker 4: I'm interested to see this overall Vegas's offensive game plan

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Speaker 4: because I do think they're passing, they can throw the ball.

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Speaker 1: Their offensive line is killing them. He look, Genty's eighth

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Speaker 1: in the league and mistackles forced, but he's getting hit

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Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage. They are dead last than

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Speaker 1: run block win rate. Gino Smith is among the five

468
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Speaker 1: or six most pressured quarterbacks in the league. So I

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Speaker 1: don't think the Bears are an overly tough matchup. But

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Speaker 1: they made the Washington Commanders look like, you know, like

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Speaker 1: your old Vikings from the seventies.

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Speaker 4: But the stat well, they showed that Genti has his

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Speaker 4: gross yardage of like yards after contact is greater than

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Speaker 4: his overall net yard.

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Speaker 3: Right, he's taken so many.

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Speaker 7: Negative plays, yeah, and his his yards before contact. So

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Speaker 7: the blocking quote unquote that has opened is sort of

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Speaker 7: a oxymoron here because there's not any yards, there's negative yards.

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Speaker 5: Being open for him.

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Speaker 7: It's the last in the league is yards before contact,

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Speaker 7: So the offensive line is not blocking open for him.

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Speaker 7: We always say this, it's the age old trope, adage

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Speaker 7: lesson whatever. A good, really good running back cannot fix

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Speaker 7: a bad offensive line.

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Speaker 5: But you really need.

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Speaker 7: To me when I watch him and I watch him

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Speaker 7: in person two a couple of weeks ago, Steve and

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Speaker 7: I came away with some similar conclusions as you is.

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Speaker 7: I think he's pressing to make a play because he

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Speaker 7: knows he has to make a lot out of nothing.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 7: I think that there's a lot of things that a

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Speaker 7: rookie running back has to learn very quickly.

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Speaker 5: That are difficult a and pass pro be.

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Speaker 7: I mean there was even a handoff mistake that might

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Speaker 7: have been on the quarterback in terms of communication, and

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Speaker 7: might have been on the center in terms of communication.

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Speaker 7: We just don't know. He was on the wrong side.

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Speaker 7: There are hits behind the line of scrimmage. He's a

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Speaker 7: player to me who is having to make so much

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Speaker 7: out of nothing helping him and also pressing internally mentally

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Speaker 7: to try to make more happen, and he feels like

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Speaker 7: a player who's putting a lot of pressure on himself

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Speaker 7: mentally to me.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the.

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Speaker 6: Play stall plays into that as well. He's a home

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Speaker 6: run hitter. We talked about a running back earlier in

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Speaker 6: the show and Derek Henry, who's a home run hitter.

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Speaker 6: Guys who look to make big plays and sometimes we

510
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Speaker 6: need a detriment to that. You can say that about

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Speaker 6: some of the best running backs to ever play the game.

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Speaker 6: You go back to Barry Sanders. I think the conversation

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Speaker 6: goes back to the play caller who the last time

514
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Speaker 6: was in the NFL was calling plays for the thirty

515
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Speaker 6: second ranked offense in the league. And now we're in

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Speaker 6: a situation where we have a young running back and

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Speaker 6: an offensive line that's having some trouble. You can put

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Speaker 6: your guys in situations to be successful, and it can't.

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Speaker 6: Of course, the blank can be script spread equitably, right,

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Speaker 6: But because ashion GENTI does have like negative twenty five

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Speaker 6: rush yards over expectation and negative twenty rush yards over

522
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Speaker 6: expectation in the last two weeks. But I think it

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Speaker 6: takes a village, and the person who is coordinating the

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Speaker 6: village is the person that I would put the total.

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Speaker 2: They haven't been competitive the last two weeks.

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Speaker 5: No play callers help their players regardless of what they have.

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Speaker 1: Right, we gassed up Pete Carroll culture change, optimism throughout

528
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Speaker 1: the offseason, and now he's going up against another higher

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Speaker 1: from this cycle the prize. Ben Johnson, You're home against

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Speaker 1: the Bears. Like this is after two pretty dispiriting games.

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Speaker 1: This is a game where like that culture shows up,

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Speaker 1: Like the Bears should be a beatable team, but the

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Speaker 1: defense of got steamrolled last week too. They didn't have

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Speaker 1: a ton of fight. Washington came out and just bullied

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Speaker 1: them around. Meanwhile, like this is the dream schedule you

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Speaker 1: want to get Caleb Williams's season going. Let's play the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and the Raiders back to back. I'm not that

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Speaker 1: convinced talent wise that the Raiders defense is really it.

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Speaker 1: And like that was the first week I think in

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Speaker 1: the Caleb Williams era that you know, there was only

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Speaker 1: one quarterback hit on him.

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Speaker 2: There was no sacks, no turnovers.

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Speaker 1: That's only happened like a few times in the last

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Speaker 1: fifteen years for the Bears. And they played well up

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Speaker 1: front because Caleb will do the the wow stuff. Like

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Speaker 1: we'll see if he can be consistent doing the other stuff,

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Speaker 1: but he'll do the wow stuff. If you give him

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Speaker 1: some time against the r it's gonna get better.

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Speaker 4: Man, with him and Ben Johnson, this is not an

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Speaker 4: easy offense to run. It is going to get better.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna have his moments where it's not great, but

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you this, Patrick Graham, the Raiders DC is

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Speaker 4: going to scheme some stuff up. He actually had some

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Speaker 4: stuff schemed up well against the Commanders to some of

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Speaker 4: their guys, including Marcus mariotivates some plays, so we'll see

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Speaker 4: how well they execute. I mean, Crosby is insane, k

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Speaker 4: Malcolm Koons is good, but the rest of the defensive

558
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Speaker 4: front did not play like it did the first two weeks,

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Speaker 4: and that hurt him.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see.

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Speaker 4: Their linebackers got you know, got put in to some

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Speaker 4: bad situations. I mean they got schemed up by Cliff

563
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Speaker 4: a little bit who needed to have a bounce.

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Speaker 2: They really did.

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Speaker 1: So Look, these are like two coaches Chip and Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson and Pete care like they I feel like they're

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Speaker 1: a confident that they think well of themselves. One of

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Speaker 1: these two teams is going to be two and two. Like,

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Speaker 1: one of these teams is going to come out of

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Speaker 1: this game with a lot of winners in your sale, Raiders,

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Speaker 1: Raiders are coming back.

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Speaker 7: I don't have a hot take such a clean like

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Speaker 7: I saw such a clean cohesive. Yes it was against

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Speaker 7: the Cowboys defense and battled as they are, but like

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Speaker 7: they just the receivers look to be on the same pages.

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Speaker 7: The quarterback looked to be on the same page, as

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Speaker 7: the offensive line looked to be the same pages as

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Speaker 7: all the blocking structure looked to be the same page

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Speaker 7: as you know. That's that's what we are looking for.

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Speaker 7: That's what that's actually what we didn't really see in

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Speaker 7: these first two games. Take out the Caleb Williams factor

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Speaker 7: of it. All the whole operation was sloppy the first

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Speaker 7: couple of weeks. This was this was different to me.

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Speaker 7: This is people starting to speak the same language in

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Speaker 7: that locker room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a it's a great early test for two

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Speaker 1: new programs. And like I said, yeah, the Bears could

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Speaker 1: be feeling good about themselves after this game road favorites.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll come back. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about two teams playing on Monday Night

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Speaker 1: that desperately back on NFL Daily. I cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: listen to the double header recap on Monday Night Football

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Speaker 1: host it for the first time ever by Nick Schook

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Speaker 1: with Jordan rod Reeg and one of the games they'll

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Speaker 1: get to it's between two teams with no wins, and

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Speaker 1: yet I'm weirdly excited for it. I don't care what

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Speaker 1: you say.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, somebody's got to win. Monday Night Football. The New

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Speaker 6: York Jets traveling to Miami to take on the Dolphins,

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Speaker 6: who were favored by three over under is forty five

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Speaker 6: and a half. Chris Vawlor, Dan Orlowski, Lewis Riddet, Peter Scheger,

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Speaker 6: and Katie George will be there on the call.

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Speaker 3: Jordan.

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Speaker 6: As this Finns team has been close, they've been better.

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Speaker 6: Do they win against the Jets.

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Speaker 7: I think the Jets. It's time for the Jets to

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Speaker 7: start putting it together. I think Tyrod Taylor showed some stuff.

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Speaker 7: They lost obviously. I think that that Will McDonald plague

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Speaker 7: gives this group overall some splash juice. Aaron Glenn's reaction

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Speaker 7: also was amazing, and he just is this is a

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Speaker 7: Jets team that feels like it's being put together in

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Speaker 7: real time as we sort of expected it to, especially

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Speaker 7: sounds justin fields. But I like what they're doing. I

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Speaker 7: like how they're building this team out. I still have

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Speaker 7: hope for the Jets, even though I know the outside

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Speaker 7: narrative is like, oh.

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Speaker 5: Same old Jets.

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Speaker 7: Miami, on the other hand, this is another primetime game

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Speaker 7: that will be probably filled with as the last broadcast was,

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Speaker 7: questions about the head coach's job status, questions about the

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Speaker 7: GM's job status, questions, and real scrutiny on whether the

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Speaker 7: team is playing hard. Last week, Miami played their butts

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Speaker 7: off for Mike McDaniel and for each other, which I

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Speaker 7: think is important to note as well for their teammates,

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Speaker 7: and they showed that they were not wanting to scrap

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Speaker 7: this season and go down without a fight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it was week three, it's week four.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 4: If they lose this one, then we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 4: I like the way Miami played. It's we that the

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Speaker 4: amount of giveaways. Man, they are not taking care of

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Speaker 4: the football. That's something that really hasn't been the issue

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Speaker 4: with Tua and the rest of this offense.

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Speaker 3: But their offensive line is still.

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Speaker 4: I mean they knew going into the draft and to

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Speaker 4: the season, and the offensive line is an issue. It's

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Speaker 4: still an issue. I mean, it's not going to get

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Speaker 4: going no matter how quick and stuff you t I

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Speaker 4: run this offense. We keep talking about offensive lines so

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Speaker 4: far on the show. It's still an issue. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: we know the Jets can make it a more confounding issue,

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Speaker 4: which is why I like the Jets of this game,

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Speaker 4: because Miami's been turned the ball over and the Jets

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Speaker 4: defense is a team now that I think is really

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Speaker 4: going to start the rolling.

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Speaker 2: The vibes are so bad with Miami.

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Speaker 1: The aftermath of that game I thought was not promising

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Speaker 1: for how that building is working. It felt like people

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Speaker 1: were starting to protect some turf I noticed our colleague

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Speaker 1: Tom Pelasero on Rich Eisen Show really kind of calling

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Speaker 1: out that that interception is to a tongue of I

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Speaker 1: lois fault and that there's so many limitations with what

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Speaker 1: Hutua is as a player, and because of his concussion

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Speaker 1: history as well, that like making an offense around him

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Speaker 1: is really difficult. And I'm reading between the lines here,

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Speaker 1: and then there's some weird Frank Smith Darren Waller stuff

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Speaker 1: going on, like Mike McDaniel almost sounded like he tried

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Speaker 1: to get him off the team. I listened to this

659
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Speaker 1: podcast three Yards per Carry, who's kind of parsing all

660
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Speaker 1: this stuff, and people inside the building like claiming territory.

661
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Speaker 2: I agree that Tua tongue of.

662
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Speaker 1: Ailoa is not playing well right now, but it does

663
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Speaker 1: feel like there's camps and well when you why is

664
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Speaker 1: up going chet?

665
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Speaker 4: When and when you when you hear that stuff, it's

666
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Speaker 4: not Tom Pella Show on people like that making That's

667
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Speaker 4: what I mean. Yeah, it's it's when when the league

668
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Speaker 4: starts springing like this, there there are issues in the building.

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Speaker 1: And McDaniel, even on the podium more or less said like, yeah,

670
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Speaker 1: there were some parts with the operation and the decision

671
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Speaker 1: making of our quarterback and like they kept asking about

672
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Speaker 1: that interception. He was like, he's got to throw it

673
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Speaker 1: to the flat there, and Kurt Warner is being like, no,

674
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Speaker 1: that's an offensive scheme. Problem that it teaches you to

675
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Speaker 1: throw it there. So all of that is really ugly,

676
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Speaker 1: and I just.

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Speaker 7: Want to but I want to say something really quick

678
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Speaker 7: that when he when Mike mec daniel took over that job,

679
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Speaker 7: and the entire not just media world minus Steve White,

680
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Speaker 7: but all so like the analyst world, the main popular

681
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 7: thing to scream about on TV was TUA and what

682
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Speaker 7: takes can we have and like all of these things,

683
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Speaker 7: and then there was the floras of it all before

684
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Speaker 7: you know, he went to Minnesota and to really mentally

685
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Speaker 7: going through some stuff and everybody out there in the

686
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Speaker 7: world had an opinion on it. And Mike McDaniel went

687
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Speaker 7: up to the podium and the lecture in every single

688
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Speaker 7: day and had his quarterbacks back. And so I don't

689
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Speaker 7: want to forget that part of it just because butts

690
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Speaker 7: are tied over there right now too.

691
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Speaker 4: Well, that was three four years ago. To defenses have adjusted. Yeah,

692
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Speaker 4: they've seen.

693
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Speaker 2: Where's the run game?

694
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Speaker 1: He's supposed to be mister run game, and like that

695
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: is his thing, and I think that's maybe becoming a

696
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Speaker 1: problem for him because he's not missed the pass game.

697
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Speaker 1: But if you're going to be mister run game, they

698
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Speaker 1: need to have a more consistent running game.

699
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Speaker 2: They need to run the ball.

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Speaker 3: A line is boot boo.

701
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Speaker 7: Yeah, But my thing is this Miami team. It's like

702
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Speaker 7: I can't help but thinking it's too little, too late,

703
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Speaker 7: because they I do think they found a dude in

704
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Speaker 7: Ollie Gordon. I think they found a guy. I wish

705
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Speaker 7: they had him two years ago, or this type of

706
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Speaker 7: player or this type of plan for this player two years.

707
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Speaker 5: Ago in the winter against Buffalo.

708
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Speaker 7: Like this just feels like it's like, oh, we're learning

709
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Speaker 7: our lessons too late as a franchise, as an organization collectively,

710
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Speaker 7: not just one person or another person.

711
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think learning the lessons too late is a

712
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Speaker 6: collective thing. And you mentioned the Flora's circumstances. A lot

713
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Speaker 6: of the mitigating factors from the Flora's circumstance are still

714
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Speaker 6: part of the buildings, yes in Miami, and so like

715
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Speaker 6: as people cordon off and they have this leak and

716
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 6: that leak to protect, like their personal image. Like the

717
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 6: things that we can see on the field. The quarterback

718
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 6: is facing more pressure than he's ever faced in his

719
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Speaker 6: entire career. The offense is not operating. He's got as

720
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Speaker 6: low as passer rating. So either he's just fallen off

721
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Speaker 6: the map or it is a once again a village

722
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Speaker 6: that has facilitated the failure of the Miami Dolphins.

723
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Speaker 3: And so like, yeah, I.

724
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Speaker 1: Tend to think it's both yes, and to be fair,

725
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: like the offense has been fine, the defense is one

726
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: of the worst in the NFL, and that's where the

727
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: money is. Like, the offense has been fine. Last week

728
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: they made big, big mistakes, but Jalen Phillips and Bradley

729
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: Chubb coming off big injuries with big salaries not really performing.

730
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: Zack Steelers weirdly been a negative this year for them.

731
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Speaker 2: Is usually a great.

732
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Speaker 5: Place and miss Kalais Campbell right.

733
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Speaker 1: Chop Robinson, they're not even sure how and where to

734
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Speaker 1: play him. And then on the flip side, just to

735
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Speaker 1: give the Jets a little because we got to move on,

736
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Speaker 1: they acquired a starting cornerback this week that was very quiet.

737
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: I was one of the strangest trades I can remember.

738
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Speaker 1: Jarvis Browne, who has started basically since he entered the

739
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Speaker 1: league as an unknown rookie for the Titans, got traded

740
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Speaker 1: to the Jets. Uh, just a couple of days ago.

741
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Speaker 1: And I do think I don't know what was going

742
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Speaker 1: on there. He was inactive for week three after starting there.

743
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Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on there in Tennessee,

744
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Speaker 1: but they gave up on them, went on.

745
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Speaker 3: Something went on. Tennessee has not made a ton of

746
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Speaker 3: great personel.

747
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what happened there, but they need

748
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Speaker 1: some help because Brandon Stevens has been struggling and uh

749
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: look sas Gardner kind of struggled last week, like they

750
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Speaker 1: are not tackling well. So if you can get you

751
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Speaker 1: get those Dolphins players out on the perimeter like you

752
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Speaker 1: might spring some long ones.

753
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Speaker 6: You want to talk about a defense that has improved,

754
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 6: What about a zero AFRO squad in Carolina? The Panthers

755
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 6: coming off a trouncing of the division. Ronald Falconona going

756
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Speaker 6: up against the New England Patriots, who are favored by

757
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Speaker 6: five and a half against the eighty five Bears. It

758
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Speaker 6: seems the over under is forty three and a half.

759
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Speaker 6: Chris Myers, Mark Slairath and Chenhill on the call, Greg,

760
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Speaker 6: do they do it again?

761
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Speaker 1: This is an insane line I now feel about that

762
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Speaker 1: Ravens one. And maybe they're maybe it's a Boston thing.

763
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Speaker 1: Everyone just gets so over their skis on the Patriots

764
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Speaker 1: and they'll just go for it, and maybe they're trying

765
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Speaker 1: to sucker people, and they really think the Patriots, I mean,

766
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Speaker 1: the Panthers stink because the Patriots are so sloppy, like

767
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: their defense gives up so many plays. They're all over

768
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Speaker 1: the place, they have different mistakes, and as good as

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Speaker 1: I've thought that Drake May has played like, he still

770
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Speaker 1: had two killer turnovers in that game. One was a

771
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Speaker 1: little bit of a bad luck decision. But they're putting

772
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Speaker 1: so much on his plate that I think it is

773
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Speaker 1: a little fair to wonder if he can stay consistent,

774
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Speaker 1: even as a fan, like I'm a little nervous with

775
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Speaker 1: him having that much on his plate without a ton

776
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Speaker 1: of help. So I don't know, you know, I'm I

777
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: think Rico Daddle and Cuba Hoverard they need.

778
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Speaker 2: Like those two.

779
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Speaker 1: Guys, they are like the workmen you know they need.

780
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Speaker 1: They're just like no nonsense, no frills running backs, and

781
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Speaker 1: they're pretty good.

782
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what, that was a fun game to watch.

783
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 7: It was it was interesting. There's a lot of crossover

784
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 7: connections between those two coaching staffs. It's like sometimes it's

785
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 7: fun game the previously Carolina Atlanta and uh, you know,

786
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Speaker 7: sometimes it's fun to be mean to your friends, you know.

787
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 7: So that's that's in a giro Evro defense. That that

788
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 7: stood up really for the first time. What I liked watching.

789
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 7: And I think Atlanta made plenty of mistakes and I

790
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 7: know we're going to get to that later in the show,

791
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 7: but our next show. But like Carolina made plays on

792
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Speaker 7: the ball. Yes, it's almost like they're playing a little freer.

793
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 7: There's nothing. What do they have to lose. They were

794
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 7: historically bad last year. They have to develop some younger

795
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 7: players behind the Derek Browns, behind the j C Horns.

796
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 7: They have to make plays on behind the Nick Scotts, Like,

797
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 7: you've got to make plays on the ball, and you

798
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 7: got to play you got to play aggressive, you got

799
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 7: to jump routes, you've got to do these things that

800
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 7: we know this defense when it has the personnel that

801
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 7: it could have attacks and knows how to do so

802
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 7: why just why not.

803
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Speaker 2: Just go for we got to see it.

804
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Speaker 1: But yes, Trevon Morrigg for instance, who was a big

805
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: free agent signy, had a nice game.

806
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Speaker 4: He's Look, everything I see from Carolina is they're going

807
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: to continue to grow and get better. They're not a

808
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 4: dynamic team, but I don't think this is a team like, oh,

809
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: it's just a Panthers and they know and they just

810
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 4: blanked the Falcons.

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Speaker 3: That's what they do.

812
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 4: They beat the Falcons, right, and then when the Falcons

813
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 4: lose in forms like this, it puts their head coach

814
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Speaker 4: a little bit of a blow tours happened about previous

815
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Speaker 4: head coach.

816
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Speaker 3: But I just think Bryce is getting better. We love Tteroa.

817
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: McMillan didn't practice Wednesday, which yeah.

818
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Speaker 7: He's got what no an ankle ankle injury, calf injury,

819
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Speaker 7: That's what I meant to say.

820
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Speaker 1: So that would be a killer injury if it was serious.

821
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Speaker 1: But he did finish out last week's game, which generally

822
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: is a good indeviey.

823
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm with you on the Patriots, man.

824
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 4: I thought they would be turning a little bit more

825
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 4: of a corner than they are on both sides of

826
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Speaker 4: the ball, and for them to be five and a

827
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Speaker 4: half point favorite.

828
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Speaker 3: I am absolutely surprised by this one. Yeah.

829
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Speaker 6: I mean, you guys get tired of me saying it,

830
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 6: but the lines would re spur action. Yeah, and it'd

831
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Speaker 6: be half to inspire people to behave in a certain way.

832
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Speaker 6: Because I feel like it's difficult to look at anything

833
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 6: the New England Patriots have done in twenty twenty five

834
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Speaker 6: and say it's more impressive than what the Carolina Paths

835
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Speaker 6: right last week against an Atlanta team that the Vikings

836
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 6: were powerless against it. And to look at this game

837
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Speaker 6: where you have to think, after the fumbles from Gibson

838
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Speaker 6: and Remandre, that this is going to be the Trey Hendrickson.

839
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Speaker 7: Oppertun I mean finally just finally get here.

840
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like maybe like he is playing a decent to

841
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Speaker 1: be more excited about the idea.

842
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: No, I would, I would love it. He's playing, He's

843
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: playing more than.

844
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Speaker 5: People us Patrick.

845
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Speaker 7: He's trying to not play into what he knows we're

846
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 7: looking for, which is his fandom here.

847
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Speaker 1: I think Remandre is a really good player and is

848
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: ultimately gonna be an asset for them. He the fumbos

849
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: the last couple of years now have just killed them.

850
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: Like there's there's nothing more. You can talk about it,

851
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: but I get it that Trevon Henderson just had like

852
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: one nightmare game in pass protection, like where he literally

853
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: had three pass protection snaps and he made a catastrophic

854
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: mistake in all three, and so early in your career,

855
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: then that'll get you bench.

856
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: But even then, he played twenty five snapslast week. So

857
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Speaker 2: I'm with you.

858
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: Because they have no explosive element to their offense. Digs

859
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: is slow, to Mario Douglas is not playing as well

860
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: as I would have expected. Kishon Booty is clearly their one,

861
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: plays way more than anyone else. But you're you're running

862
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: a passing game, and where Kishon Boody and Hunter Henry

863
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: are clearly options one and two, that's it's difficult. I'm

864
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: actually impressed that they've had as good an offense as

865
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Speaker 1: they've had.

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Speaker 7: I think I actually when I look at the Patriots,

867
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Speaker 7: if I take away the turnovers, I think they're coming along.

868
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 7: Like I don't think that it's as dire. Drake May's

869
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 7: playing really well. I think they're super limited. They have

870
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 7: to replace two basically two terrible drafts. More than that,

871
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,959
Speaker 7: because Belichick was awful at drafting near the end, there

872
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 7: and last year's draft not good. So if Rabel comes in,

873
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 7: he starts picking his own guys and signing big money

874
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 7: free agents, which is a sign of a bad team

875
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 7: that needs to fill the gap somewhere right older at

876
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 7: signing those older players minus Milton Williams, who's played well, yeah,

877
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 7: very well. But it's like this is and getting Christian

878
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 7: Gonzales back this week sounds like they're going to have him.

879
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: He says he's excited. He told reporters he's excited to

880
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 5: get out there.

881
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: Sad as massive, especially if its place that's like a

882
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: perfect matchup for him.

883
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 7: This is a huge defining element to this game in

884
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 7: my opinion. But these two teams, to me are both

885
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 7: teams that are really coming along in my opinion watching it. Yeah,

886
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 7: the turnovers are bad, you can't do that, But infrastructurally

887
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 7: with what they've had to build out and replace, like,

888
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 7: I don't know, this is kind of a yeah, okay.

889
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of these teams, it's it's kind of like

890
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: the Raiders game. One of these teams will be two

891
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: and two and feel good enough. The expectations in New England,

892
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: I think we're we're too high go into the air.

893
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: But I do think at some point I would like

894
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: to see a team coach by Mike Rable, you know,

895
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: have a good defense.

896
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: They they will be better.

897
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: It's like nine years he's had like two, he's had

898
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: like two.

899
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 7: He literally last time he's plugging in linebackers that are

900
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 7: reminded of himself.

901
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: Yes, Robert Splaine, Blaine had a good game.

902
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 5: After he heard you, Soda Keenan.

903
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 6: So uh, never forget perhaps a bounce back for them,

904
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 6: somebody who's going to bounce back in Houston on Sunday,

905
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 6: we think the Tennessee Titan reef looking for win number

906
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 6: one at the Houston Texans, who are favored by seven.

907
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 6: The over under is thirty eight and a half. Beth Mowens,

908
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 6: Ross Tucker and Amanda Balleonis are dear friend and friend

909
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 6: of the show on the call, Steve, did the Texans

910
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 6: get a win here in twenty twenty five?

911
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: I think so?

912
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: It's look already we've got the head coach, former play

913
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 4: caller turning over play calling duties in Tennessee.

914
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: What you brought there?

915
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 4: You just draft a quarterback to get him going, like, Hey,

916
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 4: I have nothing wrong with my play call and I'm

917
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 4: just turning it over right.

918
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 7: Now, I'm delegating the leader and that's not an excuse expression.

919
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: I'll put a two finger pow pow to the.

920
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 4: Head organization in terms of making the head coach make

921
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 4: a move.

922
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: It's not that type of organization.

923
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: What is that? What is that? You so you think

924
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: he did that on his own?

925
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, seth type of organized with that owner that there's

926
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 4: nobody in front of it.

927
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be all they haven't been afraid

928
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: of firing people well that they'd rather do that.

929
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 4: Okay, then say like, okay, you know you need to

930
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 4: step out. You know, he's like, let me try something

931
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 4: because soon the firing.

932
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: Is because I think the game management stuff, and we

933
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: did go over this a little bit. I do think

934
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: it's just been so bad that he needs to show

935
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: he actually does need to take a step out of

936
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: it because he's losing the plot of the game.

937
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: He can't do both. He can't do.

938
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: Both, and I'll give him credit for that, But I

939
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 4: want to go over to Houston. I mean, look them

940
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 4: getting rid of CJ. Gardner Johnson, which is a value

941
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: whould move. They're trying to clear the locker room again.

942
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: That's why they change out a lot of their offensive linemen, like,

943
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: we're not having certain types of players in this organization.

944
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: Well, it ain't working.

945
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: Whatever's going on in Houston because their offensive line play

946
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: has not been good.

947
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: Remember they hired Nick Kayley.

948
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 4: They put him with his boy who he coached offense

949
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 4: with in New England, and it is not looking good.

950
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 4: They CJ Shroud looks, hey, they're trying to get me

951
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: off the island. They're trying to make sure I'm not

952
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 4: on quarterback Island.

953
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 7: With the way they're dangerous for him on quarterback Island.

954
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 7: I think.

955
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: I think he's bought his his ticket and he's enjoying

956
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: his remaining time there.

957
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's less pressured again.

958
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 4: But I mean just no weapons. It's it's just offensively,

959
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 4: they are a mess. I think they win this game,

960
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: but they may needed to get some momentum going and

961
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 4: feel good about themselves because right now, you know, they're

962
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 4: scratching their heads.

963
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: I think they have the Ravens next week too, so

964
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: that you really don't want to be zero to four

965
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: going into the Ravens. I you know, we uh crashed

966
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: out of our Survivor picks last week and then last

967
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: year when that happened early I think it was the

968
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: same week, week three.

969
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: We decided to make decisions.

970
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so we got a team we're rolling with.

971
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: As a group. Well, no, I'm just throwing out the possibility.

972
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, which usually means he's already made the decision.

973
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 1: No, No, we do to work out this one, is all.

974
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: It's a group decision. I would put forward the Texans,

975
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: who are still seven point favorites. Yeah, getting right and

976
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: defensively dominating enough to just win this game comfortably.

977
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 6: A game in the division after another loss on the

978
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 6: road of in the division, in a season where the

979
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 6: schedule and the since have struggled. The schedule has not

980
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 6: been very nice. No, for the Houston Texans to start

981
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 6: the season. I you know, I'll present a case here

982
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 6: in a loak.

983
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: Okay, that's just it's just presented to the group. By

984
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, the Titans were on the other side

985
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: of that Jarvis Brownly trade, because yeah, they're full of

986
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 1: great not that he's great, but young talent just loaded right.

987
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 7: Since new play collar in Tennessee, here's a suggestion to

988
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 7: fix things immediately. Stopped throwing to Calvin Ridley like eight

989
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 7: catches twenty one targets, many of them drops, cam Ward,

990
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 7: throw to your young guys, you know, throw to the

991
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 7: guys who are who.

992
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: They have options. No, they kind of need him. I'm

993
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: with you.

994
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: He's killed them the last couple weeks with drops and

995
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: they've had to defend him, both cam Ward and Callahan.

996
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: But he's also the best receiver on the roster by

997
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: a decent amount. And who are those others not playing?

998
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: Like it?

999
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 5: He's paid the highest but he's not playing.

1000
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: But he can he can move, he can separate, he

1001
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: can produce. Elk Io Manor is basically a starter now.

1002
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 2: And they found someone as a fourth round pick. Good pick,

1003
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: but it's not like they have any other options they have.

1004
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: Maybe they'll trade them to someone if.

1005
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: They have Timiri dk is there as like a return

1006
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: guy at Tyler Lockett's maybe wasting some snaps. Maybe that's so,

1007
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: I hear you, Jordan. I just don't know, Like the

1008
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: roster is not built for it. They need Calvin Ridley

1009
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: or at least for they are show case before the

1010
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: trade bit.

1011
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, because they are a year away from

1012
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 4: being a year away. I just look at this ross, like,

1013
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 4: what is the plan? He got a quarterback, but what

1014
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: is the plan?

1015
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: M Seth Pain.

1016
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: We're big fans, we're Seth heads. He said he he

1017
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,479
Speaker 1: wanted to apologize because he felt like he bought bought

1018
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: all the lines about their offensive line, that they would

1019
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: be greater than the some of their parts and you

1020
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: could just you know, get a bunch of average guys

1021
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: together and coach them up. And he says he felt

1022
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: like he was like he went to Jonestown. He was

1023
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: drinking the kula, and he apologized. They they are.

1024
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 5: Here, his voice in my head saying that too.

1025
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: They are last in point this season. They do not

1026
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: have a red zone touchdown. That's hard to do through

1027
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: three weeks. They you know, they hit that open play

1028
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: against Nego Collins last week. That's like kind of how

1029
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: they scored big plays, blast in third down conversions. One positive,

1030
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: they ran it pretty well last week. It was a

1031
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: lot of cover too by the Jaguars trying to take

1032
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: away the big play, which didn't totally work, but they

1033
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: ran it pretty well, so that there's something for you.

1034
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 7: I the only thing I would do to to hedge

1035
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 7: for them a little bit. The offensive line is bad.

1036
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 7: Where there's no excuses about that.

1037
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 5: They are bad.

1038
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 7: They are affecting the quarterback for the negative once again,

1039
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 7: even the plays where c. J.

1040
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 5: Stroud like, he looks.

1041
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 7: Still uncomfortable, even when he has a modicum of blocking

1042
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 7: available to him. I think though, that some of this

1043
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 7: is difficult to just to write at the start of

1044
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 7: the season when you're suddenly playing two rookie receivers and

1045
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 7: you have to play the two Iowa State guys early

1046
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 7: because you got injuries, and then Joe Mixon, you know

1047
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 7: that situation. So it's like, Okay, You're now you're doing

1048
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 7: an entirely different run game for a different type of

1049
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 7: you know, for.

1050
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 5: Different running back.

1051
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 7: Nick Chubb looked great in Week one, but you just

1052
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 7: there's just a lot of like late adjustments when if

1053
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 7: you're already dealing with an offensive line that is not good.

1054
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 7: This is a ripple effect that affects every skill player,

1055
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 7: every person on the offensive side.

1056
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've wondered if they would go back to Cam Robinson,

1057
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: Dearente Ersiri, who got a lot of pop in the preseason.

1058
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: They really thought they found something. He's been struggling. But

1059
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: you know, it could fix just be a little bit

1060
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: of a slumpbuster. It is Tennessee type.

1061
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 3: There's always one.

1062
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: Maybe the worst is always one. Maybe the worst edge

1063
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: rushing group in the league. They applied no pressure from

1064
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: the edge, so that is maybe a perfect match up. Okay,

1065
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: just a consideration for our survivor.

1066
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 5: I do that.

1067
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: We'll have another one coming up. Let's take a break

1068
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: and we'll be back here to wrap up the AFC.

1069
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily. That Jets Dolphins not the only

1070
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: Monday night game this week? Can you remember? And I'm

1071
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: gonna test Steve Weiss here, the dean of NFL Network,

1072
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: any memorable Bengals Broncos games in the history of the NFL.

1073
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: This is really putting you.

1074
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 5: On the spot.

1075
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: Oh man, there's gotta be you know.

1076
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: I feel like there had to be some good Boomer

1077
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: Assias in John Elway games, maybe like a Trevor Sime

1078
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: and Andy Dalton game at some point that was spicy.

1079
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 3: Jake Plumber.

1080
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: Uh, I was just fishing in a barrel. I know

1081
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: nothing in mind and nothing nothing in mine.

1082
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 3: But it's gotta be like good like Jake Plumber, cards

1083
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: and Palmer.

1084
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: You're maybe not.

1085
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: This is I find it interesting. This is getting the

1086
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: Joe Buck. Yes, though I like I like that. They

1087
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: made the right choice, the best choice.

1088
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 6: And I am pander to my personal bias here because

1089
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 6: up until two thousand and five, Monday Night football was

1090
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 6: on ABC's back, when we used to get TVs that

1091
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 6: had ATSC tuners installed in them, and football was provided

1092
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 6: to the people of America free over the air.

1093
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 3: And it's back.

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Speaker 6: Tonight the Cincinnati Bengals and Jake Browning, who was apparently

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Speaker 6: the greatest quarterback of all time before that. Later at

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Speaker 6: the Denver Broncos, who are seven and a half point favorites,

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Speaker 6: appropriately the overhyder there it's forty four and a half.

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Speaker 6: The afore mentioned Joe, Troy, Lisa, and Laura Rutledge on

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Speaker 6: the call as Jordan it was bo Nick's having a

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Speaker 6: little bit of a rough one against the Chargers defense.

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Speaker 6: What better opportunity to bounce back than the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Al Golden kind of a.

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00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 3: Tough start for the pullet in a rough situation.

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Speaker 5: Lou had a Rumo replacement there after.

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Speaker 3: How does that work out the.

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Speaker 7: Fall for the entire organization over there? I don't know

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Speaker 7: that it gets any better. For Greg's boy, Jake Browning.

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Speaker 7: I would see my boy you were so excited him

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Speaker 7: last night. But I think he's a good example.

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Speaker 5: Excited about him.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a good example.

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Speaker 1: And I don't even think this is a hot take,

1113
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: like he played better than Carson Wentz in that game.

1114
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Speaker 1: I think people that are killing him didn't go watch

1115
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: that game. He had one bad throw and it was

1116
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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter when it was forty five to three.

1117
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything, Neither quarterback did anything. But he

1118
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: had the same thing happened to him as the Patriots did,

1119
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: where they're just fumbling the ball away. And that first

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Speaker 1: interception he had that Rogers took back is like a

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Speaker 1: diving deflection at the last second by Harrison Smith, where

1122
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Speaker 1: you're happen to like stuff happens in their offensive linstink.

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Speaker 1: Their running game is the worst in the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: the defense is bad, like him and Carson Wentz were

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Speaker 1: at think, I would say, for no more.

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Speaker 7: Reason why he shouldn't have been riding the Jake Browning train.

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Speaker 7: It's a system around a backup quarterback. It's at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot one of the better backups in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: Those yours, Yes, and it is a low bar Cincinnati, Yes,

1130
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Speaker 7: you are right, Greg, historically bad run game two point

1131
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 7: four yards per carry. It's the worst in the league,

1132
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 7: and Chase brown is only above Ashton Janty and averaging

1133
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 7: negative yards before contact on every single rush. This is

1134
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 7: not good. If you have a backup in the game,

1135
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 7: you have to run the ball. You have to run

1136
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 7: the ball better. I don't think you do it necessarily

1137
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 7: against this Broncos team. No, Denver can't really run the

1138
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 7: ball either, but they might not have to worry about.

1139
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 5: Too much against the Cincinnati defense right now.

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00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 2: I try to run it though. You should.

1141
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's.

1142
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 7: China one hundred percent you should. And then you know,

1143
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 7: I also don't think that for Jake Browning in terms

1144
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 7: of what he's going to be seeing and the types

1145
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 7: of pressure he's going to be facing. I don't think

1146
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 7: this gets any easier for him. Not only do you

1147
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 7: not have a run game if you're Cincinnati, you also

1148
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 7: can't really protect the court at the backup quarterback here

1149
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 7: in this case, No, I mean they're going to.

1150
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Speaker 4: Get all over them. Uh, either got Patz or Tan

1151
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 4: out there. You got some guys in that secondary.

1152
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 5: Benito's like third the in the NFL, and pressures right now.

1153
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 4: Incredible last week. I mean it is two or three

1154
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 4: years in a row for Nick, that's where they paid him.

1155
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Speaker 4: I mean, he's just that good. Vance Joseph could scheme up.

1156
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 4: He'll find one or two guys and scheme up that

1157
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 4: the world for him. And then all of a sudden

1158
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 4: they get the and they're great, and he's got one

1159
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 4: on a defront and he's got one with Benito. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean Cincinnati, Yeah, you got the extra day to

1161
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 4: prepare for this, but they're just so limited in so

1162
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 4: many ways, and the fact that their defense put them

1163
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 4: in a situation where Jake Browning is probably going to

1164
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 4: have to be throwing the ball forty times. Now, what

1165
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:22,959
Speaker 4: you want to have when you're going on the road,

1166
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Speaker 4: you know, to den for on Monday night and.

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Speaker 6: A chance in prime time for Bo Nick, who has

1168
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Speaker 6: been a little streaky, which is fair to say, just

1169
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 6: in a second year playing in the NFL, and we've

1170
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Speaker 6: seen Bo hit those three passes that he missed that

1171
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Speaker 6: probably could have turned the game around, and so far

1172
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Speaker 6: on Sunday, especially late last season when he got hot man,

1173
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 6: he was dropping everything into the bucket, and to have

1174
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Speaker 6: him start like this is a little bit of of

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Speaker 6: a reminder that sometimes these things do get a little

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00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 6: up and down, but the you know, the fourth down,

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Speaker 6: aggressive calls from Sean Payton, like all those things are

1178
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 6: going to be there. The opportunity to run the ball

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00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 6: is going to be there. Where it's just and not

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Speaker 6: to like because I just celebrated the fact that that

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Speaker 6: a national audience gets to see this over the air.

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Speaker 3: You know, while while.

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Speaker 1: It's competitive, I would take the Bengals just because I

1184
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Speaker 1: never liked giving that. I don't like making anyone that

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00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: big of favor that hasn't been playing good football.

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00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: And the Broncos haven't been.

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Speaker 1: They've been like very sloppy, and their defense has been good.

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00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: It hasn't been like it was a year ago. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they basically got you know, run up on by the

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Speaker 1: Colts and they gave up big time drives against the Charges.

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00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: Chargers are a good team, but it's not like they've beens.

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Speaker 7: That are playing offensively some of the best football in

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Speaker 7: the NFL.

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Speaker 1: No question that they've had a hard schedule in terms

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Speaker 1: of their defense. And sometimes you look at this Bengals

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Speaker 1: team and like they're they're not built to lose. Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow because they signed and paid a lot of money

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Speaker 1: and used draft picks to have a good pass protecting

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Speaker 1: offensive line. And so then you you, and you're they're

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Speaker 1: out of shotgun and it's not on center, and then

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Speaker 1: now they're suddenly under center and they're trying to run it,

1202
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Speaker 1: and it's just like a bad team build. He's been

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Speaker 1: hit before the line of scrimmage, uh Chase bound by

1204
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: the way seventy six percent of the time, which would

1205
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Speaker 1: of course be the all time record history.

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Speaker 2: Of the NFL. We know, like, we know he's a

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Speaker 2: good player.

1208
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Speaker 5: He's been talking about it.

1209
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, we know he's a good player. So that that

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Speaker 1: probably doesn't turn around.

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Speaker 3: Seventy but but I don't know it could on history.

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Speaker 5: That's historically.

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Speaker 3: What did he make that? That's a whole series. You

1214
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: go out, you get the ball. He talked back to

1215
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Speaker 3: the sidelines.

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Speaker 1: Bow Knicks, by the way, almost made QB Island was

1217
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: almost away, gonna make it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we got a bunch of guys who are dropping off.

1219
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 3: There might space rally.

1220
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna make it.

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00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned Sertan, who's getting targeted more the last

1222
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: couple of weeks than than he has pretty much in

1223
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: his whole career, so that that's something interesting in this.

1224
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Speaker 7: I don't know.

1225
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: I think they'll be frisky.

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Speaker 1: Our crack producer, by the way, brought up a fun

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Speaker 1: Bengals Broncos game before we move on.

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Speaker 2: The brock Osweiler game brought no.

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Speaker 5: Yes, oh do you guys know my brock Oswiler.

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Speaker 1: Needing a win for uh, we'll hear it in a second,

1231
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Speaker 1: needing a win to get a buye and playing without

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Speaker 1: Andy dallon A. J. Mccherrn goes into Denver, gets a

1233
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: big time lead trying to get that buy for the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: and who comes in but brock Osweiler.

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Speaker 2: They benched Peyton freaking man They benched Peyton Manning and

1236
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Speaker 2: brockas Sweiler comes in there and leads a big comeback victory.

1237
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Speaker 2: It honestly was kind of the game that felt like

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00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 2: kick started their Super Bowl Championship season.

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Speaker 5: Get him paid?

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Speaker 2: Didn't I get help to.

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00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 3: Get him paid? Yeah?

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00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: Peyton was injured, by the way, Uh never paid. He

1243
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: did not get benched in that game. He got he

1244
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: got injured. There was there was a game later where yeah,

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00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: they tried to bring in Brock and Peyton famously was

1246
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: like you stay on the sidelines because.

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Speaker 6: He was he was up and he was gonna he

1248
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 6: was gonna useur Peyton Mannick at that point because Brock

1249
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Speaker 6: Alice Swaller was the future.

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 5: They were going off of how tall someone was. Yeah,

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00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 5: he was very tall. It was a yeah, super nice guy.

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00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 7: In college. I went to Arizona State. He also played

1254
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 7: football at air Zona State. Go Devil's and he do

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00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 7: you guys remember the movie Signs Like the one shot.

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00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: That one of the most disappointing experiences I've ever had

1257
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: at the movie theater the once.

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Speaker 7: The one shot that freaked everybody out across the universe

1259
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 7: was when the alien walks in like long walks in

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Speaker 7: front of the camera shot all of a sudden, it

1261
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 7: turns to the side. There's a lot of construction at

1262
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 7: airs on a State. When I went there and I

1263
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 7: was driving my car pretty fast around a corner.

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Speaker 5: He was coming out of the training room. There's a

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Speaker 5: big barricade.

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Speaker 7: I swerve, I basically drift to avoid this like long

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00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 7: gangly thing walking across. This scared me the same as

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00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 7: that alien walking. That's the freaking TV screen. Sorry, Brock,

1269
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Speaker 7: if you're listening. I don't know why I pointed to

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Speaker 7: the sky.

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Speaker 6: He is still method, still with this and Night Shyamalan

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Speaker 6: still making movies.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately for a lot of people.

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Speaker 6: Uh New Orleans at Buffalo the final game of our

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00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 6: AFC preview with the Buffalo Bills on this cheet of paper, this,

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Speaker 6: this is this is wiggling right now? Sixteen point five

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Speaker 6: that that number is subject to some alteration right now?

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Speaker 5: Is real? Is that for real?

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Speaker 6: This time goes on over unders forty eight and a

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Speaker 6: half Andrew cattle On, Charles Davis, Jason mccordy, and A. J.

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Speaker 3: Ross, Greg Roseenvelt. I submit this as a potential.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess we're avor game. Yeah, I guess we're

1283
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: starting from scratch. I don't know if.

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00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 5: We use I picked this bill, I picked this one.

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Speaker 1: I guess if we want to just be safe about it,

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00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: I just felt good. You know we're not gonna want

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00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,959
Speaker 1: the Texans any other time of the year.

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00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 3: There's there's also the game we just discussed with the

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Speaker 3: Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 2: No, I would not take that one. I would not

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00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 2: trust this on Coos team that much. I would trust

1292
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: the tech.

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Speaker 3: Do you trust the Texans more? Yes?

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: I would are the point because of their opponent.

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00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: Because of their opponent, this is the biggest spread for

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00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: the Saints in in thirty years. They they're struggling their defense. Man,

1297
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: this is going to be a difficult one two for them.

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00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: I would submit, though, because people are asking for Tyler

1299
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: shuck that Spencer Rattler is the best part of this team.

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00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: People in New Orleans a little bit people in nationally.

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Speaker 1: If you look at like their their DVA rankings, for instance,

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00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: on defense, like it's bad against the run, it's bad

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00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: against the pass, pretty bad. Their running game has been

1304
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: stuck in neutral. Their passing game is like eighteenth through nineteenth.

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Speaker 1: Do you watch this team and like they're great at

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00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: hitting nine yard throws and having long field goal drives.

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00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: That is not a path to go win. But Spencer

1308
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: Ratler is doing okay despite it all. Yeah, a little

1309
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: bit of positivity.

1310
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 4: I mean Tyler in this game fair because Spencer Rattlers

1311
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 4: He's gonna have, you know, forty forty five attempts.

1312
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: This might be the easiest defense they've faced. For what

1313
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: it's worth, I'm not really buying the Bill's defense.

1314
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 7: I've been worried about the Bill's defense from the jump.

1315
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 7: I just I a they are shaky on all three levels,

1316
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 7: especially after at Oliver was dealing with the injury. That

1317
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 7: they are shaky on all three levels, and they have

1318
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 7: been since the since that Jets game. I know, the

1319
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 7: Jets never looked quite the same again, but I think

1320
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 7: that tells you a lot about the Bills defense.

1321
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean at the corner, at safety, exit a linebacker,

1322
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 4: they're They're not complete. But the Saints right now, I mean,

1323
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 4: if they can say competitive for a half, you know, I.

1324
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: Think they I think you know, I don't.

1325
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 4: I think they cover, but I just they just seem

1326
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 4: you talked you toltal to talk about their defense is terrible.

1327
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: I mean, we knew this was coming. We saw this coming.

1328
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 4: We knew this was going to be this type of

1329
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 4: season for the Saints, you know, especially once Derek.

1330
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: And they were right there in the first two weeks. Really,

1331
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: they had chances to win both of those games.

1332
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 7: To be fair, yeah, better than I expected on both sides.

1333
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 7: Against the Cardinals. Honestly, like the Cardinals played with their food,

1334
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 7: almost let them back into that game. I mean, I

1335
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 7: just have no expectations for the Saints. I have high

1336
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 7: expectations for the Bills this season. I can't understand why

1337
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 7: they're at sixty one and a half percent third down

1338
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 7: conversion rate for.

1339
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 5: Their opposts of allowing, yeah, allowing it.

1340
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 6: For the posing offense, Alvin Kamaras run into more light

1341
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 6: boxes than almost anybody in the league right now. The

1342
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 6: Saints are kind of one handed with in terms of

1343
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 6: how teams are approaching them, and the Buffalo Bills are

1344
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 6: one of the you know, in terms of running light

1345
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 6: boxes six or fewer defenders in the bottom half of

1346
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 6: the league. And that's so I'm wondering how McDermott's going

1347
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 6: to deploy this unit against this group where it's pretty

1348
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 6: much we have to spread you out and pass the

1349
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 6: ball because we can't do anything else.

1350
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: But they've put so many research.

1351
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons why I think Mickey Loomis

1352
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: has passed his expiration date. But number one is all

1353
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: they've done is invested in the offensive line over and

1354
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: over and over again. It's still a major weakness. Like

1355
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: Caesar Ruiz.

1356
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 7: Is that Caesar Ruiz numbers in terms of past black

1357
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 7: win rate and run black win rate, and I was like,

1358
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 7: excuse me.

1359
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: What he's one of the worst starters in the league,

1360
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: but the high picks at tackle. You know, Kelvin Banks

1361
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: looks like he'll be fine.

1362
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 3: But what does that tell you about the individual player.

1363
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: No, that's arching organization changing plans.

1364
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a lot of that.

1365
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 4: When you see good players or talented guys or upstarts

1366
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 4: not develop or come up with real disparaging numbers like that,

1367
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 4: that's just overall functionality of the coaching staff or whatever

1368
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 4: working hand in hand with one another.

1369
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: Or it's like the front office having too much say

1370
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: of like, wait, we got to make this Caesar Ruiz,

1371
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, pick that everyone's been dogging us for look

1372
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: good after he has a halfway decent season, and overpay

1373
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: him and then make him stay in the lineup.

1374
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 4: That office that dictates personnel Sean Sean remember Sean Payton

1375
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 4: ran building.

1376
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: For a lot.

1377
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm definitely talking to Dennis Allen uh and

1378
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: now the Kellen more Dayes and Kellen Moore. There's just

1379
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: been a couple of game management things.

1380
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 3: It's it's early get there. Yeah, He's gonna be fun.

1381
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: For some reason.

1382
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: When I hear like the fact that he made them

1383
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: all go on a big boat ride. They went out

1384
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: to Seattle early to get some like team bonding. For

1385
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: some reason, that makes me dislike Kellen Moore.

1386
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 5: It's appropriate, the threat of a social activities. It's just

1387
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 5: like a lot of the threat.

1388
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: Of I've just heard a lot about team bonding here

1389
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: with the with the Saints. Can we get some like

1390
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: tactical advantages, that's all I mean.

1391
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 3: It works.

1392
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 4: You've got like dudes who are thirteen years into their careers.

1393
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 3: Greg Greg loves the father before.

1394
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: Shout out to speaking of shout out to Tulane grad

1395
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: Dorian Williams, who I think has played very well for

1396
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills at linebacker the last couple of weeks.

1397
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 2: And you mentioned like how will they attack it?

1398
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: They have played way heavier defenses this year than previous years.

1399
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: With Sean McDermott, it's not all nicol and I'm like usual.

1400
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: So he's just he's trying to figure things out. And

1401
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: you can do that when you have the best quarterback

1402
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: or the second best quarterback in the league.

1403
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 3: Defense, because you're gonna score thirty five quarter bail you out.

1404
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: It's fine, it'll be fine.

1405
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: He I do give Josh Allen all the credit in

1406
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: the world that I think like, you don't know which

1407
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: version of him you're going to see in a different week,

1408
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: because he can beat you in like any different kind

1409
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: of I think he's smarter than he.

1410
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 4: Is, so easy now, like him and Lamar just looks

1411
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 4: too easy than to play.

1412
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: It looks easy for you.

1413
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: Wish no one, no one does a better job here

1414
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: and just make it look seamless. You're not joining us

1415
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: for the NFC. You you famously hate the NFC, So

1416
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna stay goodbye now. Steve has a lot of

1417
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: things going on in the building. We will take good

1418
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: bye to him, and we will be right back in

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01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: preview all those NFC games.