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Speaker 1: What's up. It's way up with Angela Yee.

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Speaker 2: And today we have an amazing special conversation with an

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Speaker 2: amazing special young woman, Nicole Michel.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. The honor is mine.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: You are an entrepreneur, but I feel like your entrepreneurial

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Speaker 2: spirit a lot of that came from things that you've

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Speaker 2: been through in your life and in particular, First we

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Speaker 2: want to talk about breast cancer because you were actually

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Speaker 2: diagnosed with breast cancer at a really young age.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was diagnosed at twenty six, and I went

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Speaker 3: against the textbook, no doctor whatever, tell me like, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know you're twenty six, now do your self breast exam.

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Speaker 3: It was me just putting lotion on, too much lotion,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, where else can I rub myself?

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Speaker 3: So I rubbed my breast.

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Speaker 1: It's fine to go ahead, you say, Okay, I rub

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Speaker 1: my titties.

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Speaker 3: And I think that like if my hands weren't lubricated

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Speaker 3: from the lotion, I don't think that I would have

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Speaker 3: been able to feel the tumor underneath. And initially I

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Speaker 3: ran down to my mom and I was like, I

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Speaker 3: feel something. But when you're twenty six, it's like it's

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Speaker 3: probably just close to your period. You know, this happens,

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Speaker 3: your breast will form these little lumps, but it's nothing

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Speaker 3: to be worried about. And because I know in my

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Speaker 3: family history of my mom having breast cancer, I was

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Speaker 3: always like aware of my body, especially my breast, and

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Speaker 3: so I just trusted my gut and I was like,

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Speaker 3: let me just get this checked out just in case.

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Speaker 3: And like with my luck, it ended up being breast cancer.

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Speaker 3: But until I got my diagnosis, when when I originally

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Speaker 3: went in for the ultrasound, which is no different than

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Speaker 3: when you do like a ultrasound when you're pregnant, the

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Speaker 3: doctors told me, you know, the shape of it is

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Speaker 3: not suspicious, the size of it is really small, like

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Speaker 3: it's nothing to be concerned about. Cancer isn't an option

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Speaker 3: for you because you're.

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Speaker 2: Young, even though they knew about your family history.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And so.

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Speaker 3: I did the lump ectomy, which is just when they

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Speaker 3: remove the mass. And I'm not sure if you know,

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Speaker 3: but whether you remove a mass or a mole from

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Speaker 3: your body, you have to send it to pathology. That's

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Speaker 3: just like the law.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they have to send it out. And even

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Speaker 3: when the breast on colla just removed the mass, she

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Speaker 3: still gave me the green light, like, wow, the shape

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Speaker 3: of it isn't suspicious. I'm not worried. Cancer isn't an option.

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Speaker 1: For you, okay, just because of your age.

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Speaker 3: Because of my age, and that was cool with it.

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Speaker 3: I was like, all right, perfect, because my logic then was,

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Speaker 3: while this is still small and it's close enough to

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Speaker 3: the skin surface, I'd rather remove it now so it

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Speaker 3: doesn't continue to grow and then leave like a larger indentation.

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Speaker 2: Right, because in your head, this wasn't anything serious, right,

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Speaker 2: it was just like a pimple, because they were making

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Speaker 2: it seem like it wasn't anything serious too, So you

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Speaker 2: felt pretty comfortable with that.

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Speaker 3: No one was worried, there was no strength.

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Speaker 1: Was your mother worried when you could knowing that she

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Speaker 1: had gone through.

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Speaker 3: Because I was too young. And then a week later

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Speaker 3: I went in for my follow up appointment, which was

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Speaker 3: just to make sure that the incision was healing, and

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Speaker 3: it was. Everything was fine. But that day I knew

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Speaker 3: when the doctor came in that like if she had

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Speaker 3: because she had to go back on her word and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: actually pathology came back as stage one breast cancer. And

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Speaker 3: in that moment, I would have thought I'd be like

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Speaker 3: of was numb to it, and I was like, okay,

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Speaker 3: like what's the plan? Like what do I do next?

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Speaker 3: Like what what do I do? And so two weeks

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Speaker 3: later I went in for a double misectomy, and I

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to ask you, did they recommend it?

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Speaker 2: Or was that something that you said, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: get a double misseectomy just to always on the side

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Speaker 2: of questions you.

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Speaker 3: Had to do it. You had had breast cancer, okay.

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Speaker 3: And then like you know, at twenty six, all my

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Speaker 2: Of wait you said at twenty six your friends were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some of them were not my friend we were.

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Speaker 3: Our cards in our life were very very different. I'ay,

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Speaker 3: or saline? And what size do implants do I get?

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Speaker 3: So the cards that life handed me were very different

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Speaker 3: like even ask anybody questions of like how did you

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Speaker 3: feel when you had to decide, you know, are you

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Speaker 3: going to keep your nipple or are you going to

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Speaker 3: other conversation at twenty six that I didn't even know

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Speaker 3: if female could remove a nipple. I didn't know that

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Speaker 3: was a thing, because a double missectomy is essentially an amputation, right,

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Speaker 3: a leg, something that's like visible. So when I had

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Speaker 3: bad enough, but now I have to remove a nipple

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Speaker 3: and then there's like nipple reconstruction. I didn't know anything

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Speaker 2: And you know, truthfully, people like I, I, uh, there

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Speaker 2: as she just so I can't even imagine like saying, okay,

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Speaker 2: do you want to remove your nipple? As much as

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Speaker 2: people might think, oh, it's no big deal, this is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and especially like looking at your I mean

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Speaker 3: that's when I had my breakdown. Like I never knew

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Speaker 3: look for so many years that to have to take

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Speaker 3: But I knew that it was the best decision for

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Speaker 3: alive obviously, And if I hadn't trusted my gut and

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Speaker 2: Right, Nicole, I do want to commend you for really

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Speaker 1: I felt a lump.

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Speaker 2: Well, even though everyone keeps telling me it's nothing, let

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Speaker 2: me go get it checked out. Okay, well I want

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Speaker 2: to send this, you know, to like all of those

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Speaker 2: your age, you were definitely proactive in making sure that

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Speaker 1: Just or on the side of question, right, I was.

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Speaker 3: Like advocating for myself at one point. And even if

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Speaker 3: They're not going to give me that appointment because your

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Speaker 3: a breast MRI is like I mean not a breast MRI.

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Speaker 3: BREASTMRI is great, but that a mammogram is the only

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Speaker 3: and then a breast MRI with contrast is like the

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Speaker 3: most effective. But with mammograms, especially for younger women. It's

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Speaker 3: not affective because you're breasts are too dense and so

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Speaker 1: Nicole, were you in a relationship during this time?

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Speaker 3: So when I was going through this, I wasn't in

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Speaker 3: a relationship, and I was cool with it. When I

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Speaker 3: was like, you know what, I'm just going to be

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Speaker 3: have that conversation with any man to be like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I have scars or I don't have a nipple and

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Speaker 3: cool with being single. My business was booming, I was happy,

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Speaker 3: I was healthy. I wasn't looking or anything. And then

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Speaker 3: after I had my last surgery May twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: How many surgeries did you have?

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Speaker 3: I had seven in one year.

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Speaker 1: Seven surgeries in one year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because after my double misectomy, you know, when you

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Speaker 3: back to your original questions. So I did end up

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Speaker 3: meeting somebody unexpectedly, and I used to talk to his

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Speaker 3: her like, I'm never dating anybody.

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Speaker 2: Like I always this was somebody you knew his mom,

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Speaker 2: but not the son, not him, Okay, I love it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know the sign. I knew she had a son.

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Speaker 3: And then like the biggest plot twist is that like

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: And so then like when I did meet him, I

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Speaker 3: never had to have that conversation of like, hey, I

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Speaker 3: I think he had like a vision of what I

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Speaker 3: why I want to have this conversation to kind of

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Speaker 3: reconstruct the stereotype of breast cancer because I feel like

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Speaker 3: it's considered an older woman's disease, and people think you're

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Speaker 3: supposed to look a certain way. But cancer doesn't discriminate

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Speaker 3: you can No one's invincible. It can happen to anyone.

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Speaker 3: And so I did end up dating her son and

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Speaker 3: he thank God, because he definitely served his purpose in

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Speaker 3: my life post cancer, and he definitely healed me in

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Speaker 3: a way that like nobody else could. Amazing. And then

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Speaker 3: there was like a couple situations where I would be

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Speaker 2: So another thing that we discussed was also how some people,

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I couldn't relate to the women in the

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Speaker 2: But no matter what, we all know, somebody like there

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Speaker 3: So, the McHale battle of the bottle.

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Speaker 3: asked like if insurance had covered my surgery. But when

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00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 3: I was recovering from surgery and I realized the older

437
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 3: I get, the more I turn into my mom. It's

438
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 3: just kind of what it is.

439
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 1: It's beautiful things.

440
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so while I was recovering, I started making

441
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 3: these little like succulent arrangements that I was planting inside

442
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 3: of crystals. And it was a complete hobby. It was

443
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,400
Speaker 3: just like a thank you gift for anyone that would

444
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,919
Speaker 3: come to the house, just to say like here, I

445
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 3: made this for you. And it was also keeping me

446
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,400
Speaker 3: sane because I couldn't do anything like raise my arms

447
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 3: or you know, just simple tasks like pumping down on

448
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 3: a soap dispenser I couldn't do because I would hurt

449
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 3: my chest. Like how long a long time. I would say,

450
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 3: like a year, like raising my arms. I had to

451
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 3: wear like zip up jackets or something really oversized where

452
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 3: you wouldn't have to raise my arms.

453
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 1: Because things we would never think about.

454
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 3: Never think about, like I didn't know how much you

455
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 3: use your chest until you go do something and you're like,

456
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 3: wait a second, that doesn't feel right, or that that hurt.

457
00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 3: And so I started making these arrangements and then some

458
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 3: when I'm this girl that I ended to become friends with, Jen,

459
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 3: she posted my crystals and I didn't even have a

460
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 3: name for the company. I didn't know how to ship these,

461
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 3: like this was a complete hobby, This was just for

462
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 3: like friends and family, and it ended up blowing up

463
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 3: and Chloe Kardashian had asked for crystals, and so I

464
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 3: dropped off like fourteen crystals for all of them, from

465
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 3: Chris to all her kids to her grandkids, like everybody

466
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 3: had a set of crystals. And I was so grateful

467
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 3: that they were even interested, as I was like, okay,

468
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 3: it must be you know, this might be cool. I've

469
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 3: gone used to looking at these, but they like them.

470
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 3: So I dropped them off to Chloe's and they didn't

471
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 3: think anything of it. I was like, well, I'm not

472
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: expecting her to post because I can't afford her like

473
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 3: the right pay that No, but the fact that they

474
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 3: even wanted my crystals was good enough for me. I

475
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 3: wasn't you know, I wasn't tripping on a post. And

476
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 3: then two weeks later, like the night before my surgery,

477
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 3: was Tuesday morning, the night before my surgery, she randomly

478
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,239
Speaker 3: posted me and it was like a monochromatic tag, like

479
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 3: really small in the corner. But her fans are so

480
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 3: loyal that they found me. And in that twenty four

481
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 3: hours that I was up on her page, she completely

482
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 3: sold me out and answered all my prayers. She really

483
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 3: blessed me because, like, reconstructive surgeries are a lot more

484
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 3: expensive than augmentation, because, like I said, augmentation, you're just

485
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 3: popping an implant, but with reconstruction, you're actually reconstructing.

486
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: And insurance does not cover that, does not cover it.

487
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: That's wild time.

488
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 3: Now, I was considered elective and cosmetics, so they covered

489
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: the double missectomy. But then when Chloe posted me and

490
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 3: sold me out, I was like, God, bless her for life,

491
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 3: because she covered my surgery, the surgery before and the

492
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: surgery before so dang.

493
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: And then after that you're like, well, this is a

494
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: real business.

495
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, that's a business. You know, I

496
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 3: have to switch things up a little bit. And then

497
00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 3: I had that company until twenty twenty because once I

498
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 3: I couldn't import crystals from Brazil anymore.

499
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: And so as you probably can.

500
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: And then like it sucked because once they were like, yeah,

501
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: the pandemic and then Okay, the docks are open now,

502
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: but it's going to take like longer to get it

503
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 3: from Long Beach to my office because everything's backed up.

504
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: So I had to shut down that business. And then

505
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 3: this last year I was inspired by the pet therapy

506
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: I did from when I had breast cancer. That was

507
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: my favorite part of being in the hospitals when they

508
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: had all the animals come in.

509
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: All right, so tell me about pet therapy for I

510
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: love pet therapy.

511
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 3: So they'll have like it depends some places are really

512
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: fancy and will like spice it up a little bit

513
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: with like a miniature horse. I didn't have that type

514
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: of pet dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're bougio there at

515
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 3: like UCLA does that. But the hospital that I was at,

516
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 3: they just had dogs.

517
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: Which that was good enough.

518
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was more than enough for me because I

519
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: am a huge animal lover and not having my pets

520
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: with me, this was like a great substitution. But yeah,

521
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: they come to your room and they will put their

522
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: head on you. You just get to kick it with

523
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: the dogs. And so I've had every animal from horses, hamsters, dogs, cats, everything,

524
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 3: so I know how healing animals can be. And I've

525
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 3: also never had a disloyal pet. So I was like,

526
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 3: you know what, let me.

527
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: Create something for I felt like a jab at somebody.

528
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people. Actually it's not just one

529
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 3: person in particular, but I'm just joking. Maybe no, no, no,

530
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: I know it's okay, I got you. Yeah, okay, it's

531
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 3: okay if someone gets If you get it, you get it.

532
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: If you don't, you don't.

533
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, you think it's about you, It is okay.

534
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: Honestly, if the shoe fits, you know. But yeah, So

535
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 3: then I created this crystal pet water bottle only because

536
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 3: I take my animals everywhere with me and not having

537
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 3: water or snacks is always like annoying, Like I'm tired

538
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 3: of going to like I'm not even going to say

539
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: the coffee shop, but a place to get a cup

540
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: and have them drink out of it. And so I

541
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 3: applied the crystals. A crystal you can put in the

542
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: refrigerator and keep it like an ice cube during that

543
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: warmer caesar season, so I'll keep your water chill. And

544
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: if you have like a puppy and you need like

545
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 3: treats on you all the time because you're training, there's

546
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: a snack jar that can pop right into the bowl,

547
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: so all your essentials are in one.

548
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 1: Pets are like your child.

549
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean people who have kids go out with

550
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 3: like a diaper bag. This is no different. And especially

551
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 3: when we had the fires in La I realized that

552
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 3: I made this as an accessory. But then I really

553
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: realized that it is a necessity if you're a pet owner,

554
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: and like the bottle is so universal. It's not just

555
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: for traditional household pets. If you have like a bird,

556
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: and you put bird feed in the snack jar and

557
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,239
Speaker 3: you have your water, then like your bird or your

558
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 3: flock of chicken or whatever you have, they're good. If

559
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 3: you have a gerbil, put some gerbil food I don't

560
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: know what they eat, hellets.

561
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: And we're in the Gerbis are too close to rest.

562
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, they are so yeah, I launched a

563
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: pet product just because I was inspired by the pet

564
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: therapy because I just love animals so much.

565
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: I love what a go getter you are like when

566
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: it comes to everything, I would where did that come

567
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: from you?

568
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: I would say maybe my family. I come from a

569
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: family of entrepreneurs. I only know one way and then

570
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 3: like my I mean, I'm at a Leastern So the

571
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: fact that like I didn't follow the traditional become a

572
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: lawyer or doctor, engineer or else, you're a failure. I

573
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 3: definitely am like the black sheep of the family. Everybody

574
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 3: else is you know, doctors and lawyers. I'm just not.

575
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: But you're like the family celebrity in a way kind of.

576
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 3: I don't know what they would say that about me,

577
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: but maybe okay, maybe I'm just I just live in

578
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: my own world and stay in my own lane. Yeah.

579
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: So what do you see for the future for yourself, Nicole,

580
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: Like professionally or personally both? Well, I hope to one

581
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: day meet someone.

582
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: For people listening, what are you looking.

583
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: For, someone that's consider it, because I feel like there's

584
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: a lot of inconsiderate people. Someone that's safe and like,

585
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: you know, will protect me emotionally, I don't need financial help,

586
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 3: like I can handle that on my own. But like

587
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: everything else, just be considerate, be nice, be kind.

588
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: Don't you become a sugar mama either for anybody.

589
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: I did do that firm and you did not did okay, okay,

590
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 3: lesson learning right, how you learn your lessons? Okay, okay,

591
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 3: So that's okay, it worked out. Okay.

592
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: I can't wait to read this book?

593
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: Which book yours?

594
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: Oh?

595
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: You think I'm going to write a book? Yes, okay,

596
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: well we'll talk about it.

597
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: I feel like you are maybe is it something you've

598
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: thought about?

599
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think i'd want to do some If

600
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: I did a book, I want to like include a

601
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: lot of pictures because I feel like, you know, when

602
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 3: people see me now, when they're like, okay, you know

603
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: double mistectomy is just like having a boob job, I'm.

604
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: Like, no, no, no, no, I don't know what I had.

605
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: To go through to get to this point. And I

606
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: looked botched for a very very long time. So I

607
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: feel like I don't know. Sometimes I'm like, should I

608
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 3: start an only fans to show people like what a

609
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: medical tattoo looks like and like scars and stuff?

610
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: You would make a sense of money.

611
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: I don't think I can do it. My soul won't

612
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 3: allow me.

613
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, if your family was mad about you, oh my god. No, Okay,

614
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 2: but a book would be amazing. And I think that

615
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: because I think your story is just incredible, and I

616
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: know there's a lot more to it that we're not

617
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: you know, I can't even like, there's so much I

618
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: can tell.

619
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 3: Already peaking about a lot of other different topics.

620
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there something that you're like, Okay, you know,

621
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: because I know you talk about it a lot, and

622
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: it is such a huge part of you, Like we

623
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: can look at you and see that, right, But I

624
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: know there's more when it comes to everything that you

625
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: have going on. Even you know, even me hearing you

626
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: just talk about like the future and what it is

627
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: you're looking for, I could tell there's some things that

628
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: have happened relationship wise and family wise.

629
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: I could feel it.

630
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the last year was probably one of

631
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: the most transformative years, even more than cancer, Like cancer

632
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: had its own And that's the thing too, is like

633
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: whenever last year that was really hard, people would be like,

634
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: but you're so strong, you went through cancer. I'm like, yeah,

635
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: but that's completely different. When you go through cancer, everybody

636
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: around you is positive and uplifting and supportive, and doctors

637
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: will tell you, okay, we can give you this medication

638
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: to take the pain away. By six months, you'll be

639
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: able to raise your arms. There's like dates when it

640
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: comes to physical pain, but when you go through something

641
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: that's like emotionally painful, like last year, my parents went

642
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: through like a nasty divorce. We sold the house that

643
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: I spent twenty three years in, which meant now I'm

644
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: leaving my ex and two houses on the block and

645
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: two families and just experiencing a lot of loss. My

646
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: little Calabassis bubble got popped and I got thrown into

647
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: the real world, which is very different than what I

648
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: grew up knowing to be normal. And I think that

649
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: whether it's cancer or anything that you're going in life,

650
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: I think that half the battle is always mental. And

651
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: so I think that like people's mental health is really important, Yeah,

652
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: and showing up for people and being you know, dependable

653
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: and showing support because like you know, Big doesn't even

654
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: know this, but like a lot of times, and I

655
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: have a lot of conversations with him too, and he's

656
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: gone through a crazy rollercoaster with me over the last year,

657
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: and you know, some he takes the weight off of

658
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: my shoulders when he's like, you know it, just pull

659
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: up to the station tomorrow, and I know I'll have

660
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: a good day when I go to.

661
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: The station, just because he's amazing.

662
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: I love big. I know that if I go to

663
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: the station, I'm gonna laugh at least once. I know that,

664
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: like I'll be around good people and like at least

665
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: that day I'll be okay. But yeah, having to lose

666
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: my breasts was a lot easier than losing my family,

667
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: my relationship, my home, like everything that I've ever known

668
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: to be normal to get taken away was a lot

669
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: harder than what I went through with cancer. And I

670
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: know people might like cancel me for saying that.

671
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: But now that's listen, nobody can cancel you for what

672
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: you went through and for your story of why you

673
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: are where you are and who you are today. Yeah

674
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: that's because honestly, if you ask me, like it's very

675
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: brave of you to even be able to have these conversations.

676
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: You feel like people just kind of when, like you said,

677
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: your bubble got burst, you feel like people just weren't

678
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: really there.

679
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: For you, yes and no. I mean my sister is

680
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: my soldier. She stood right by me, Like I love

681
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: my sister and I would do anything for her and

682
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: my dad and my family obviously is so important to me.

683
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: So to see divorce the ugliest side of people like

684
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: that wasn't easy. But again, I like leaned on my

685
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: friends and I pulled through. But just to go off

686
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: to say that, like, you know, be kind to people.

687
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 3: You don't know where somebody's going going through, and like,

688
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: you know, when I would tell people like, oh, I'm

689
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: struggling right now, and they're like, can't believe it, which

690
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: is like a backwards compliment because they're so used to

691
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: me living a certain way with my family and being

692
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: raised a certain way. And I still always have my

693
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: nails done, so like it's hard for them to believe

694
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: the words that I'm saying because their eyes don't allow them.

695
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: Because someone may look at you and judge you and

696
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: thinking that like oh, yeah, she's got X, Y and Z,

697
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: she's got this. They won't even know all the things

698
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: that you're currently going through, what you have gone through,

699
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: and like you said, mentally.

700
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like, you know, I know when people

701
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: look at me. I'm so misjudged. Like from the beginning,

702
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: people just assume I'm another girl from la with like

703
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: tits on a stick, just walking around. But it's like

704
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: there's a story that your eyes won't even be able

705
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: to tell you. So, like you can't judge anybody. There's

706
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: a lot more that meets the eye. And so when

707
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: people find out too that, like oh, you had cancer

708
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: or whatever, and I'm like, yeah, like what did you

709
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: expect me to look like? And when I would go

710
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: to City of Hope, unless I was bedridden, whenever I'd

711
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: go to all my appointments, I would be in full glam.

712
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: I did not care.

713
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't I actually love that for you.

714
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would go there full hair, full makeup, and

715
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: like it's important, especially when I would see other women

716
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: going through chemo treat man, like all they have is

717
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: like lips to put lipstick on to make themselves feel good,

718
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: because you know, people do lose their brows, their lashes

719
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: and their hair. So I did it for myself. And

720
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: every time I would go and it would be all

721
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: dulled up, they would think that my mom or my

722
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: dad were the patient. I'm like, nope, I got the

723
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: wristband on that. Why why are you so dressed up?

724
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: I was like, because if I can fake it and

725
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: make myself think that I'm okay, and I can present

726
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: myself to look a little bit decent than just constantly

727
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: be looking sick and feeling sick, then like, you know.

728
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: How's your relationship with your ex? Now?

729
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: I am cool with him, Okay, Yeah, there's no bad feelings.

730
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: I will always love him. He played a huge part

731
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 3: in my healing, and I mean we were together five

732
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: and a half years, so you know, I'll never not

733
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: love him, and he definitely served his purpose. And yeah,

734
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: we're all right.

735
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm looking forward to reading this book.

736
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: I'll let you know when I start when I start

737
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: writing it.

738
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna stay updated with you to see how

739
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: things are going. But I appreciate you for coming and

740
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: being so.

741
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: Thank you for being the first woman I'm speaking to.

742
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't believe that.

743
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had a lot of talk with the boys.

744
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 3: I shouldn't call them boys. They're all very nice, gentlemen,

745
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: grown mature people, and even you know, this all started

746
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: with Big Boy on accident. He had me on his

747
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: show in twenty twenty and then twenty three I did

748
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 3: another interview with him, and then that's where AO kind

749
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: of connected the dots and he's like, you know, you

750
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: want to do something for Breast Cancer Awareness Month.

751
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: And I just want to say behind the scenes, they

752
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: were like, you need to have her on. She is

753
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: absolutely amazing and she's got a great story to tell.

754
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, So behind the scenes, that's how people

755
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: are talking about.

756
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: You behind your back.

757
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: That's so sweet. Just so you know, it's very nice. Yeah, no,

758
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: shout out to Ayo because he planned this out. I

759
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 3: don't leave the house, but he has me moving like

760
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: state to state and catching flight after flight.

761
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: Are you enjoying it?

762
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: I am? It is fun. It is tiring, especially when

763
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 3: I'm like traveling with all these obviously overpacked because a

764
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: problem obviously, and so like you know, carrying around suitcases

765
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 3: is a little bit of a challenge. But it's been

766
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 3: fun and the feedback has been worth every single moment

767
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: where I'm like, oh, am, I saying too much, Like

768
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: should I not say this?

769
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: But that's what we love about you.

770
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will talk about anything. There's nothing I won't.

771
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: All right, next time, we'll have you on the podcast.

772
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: You let me know, and yeah, I'm gonna have to

773
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: take my top off and like, you know, put your

774
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 3: logo over my nipple just so they can see what

775
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: scars look like and all that.

776
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: But but anything charged.

777
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 3: For that interview?

778
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got to put that. Yeah, I'll put

779
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: it Paton.

780
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

781
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: But I appreciate you and so we will definitely stay

782
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: in contact.

783
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: Nicole macau. How can people find you if they want

784
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: to reach out book you? Perhaps?

785
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 3: I guess just on social media. I'm Nicole mamca on

786
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: all platforms, so I guess slide in the DM not

787
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 3: that way. What do they want like my email address?

788
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: No, that's fine, social media, that's fine. What about if

789
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: they do want to ask you about that too?

790
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: No, okay, I'm not looking.

791
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: I'm not trying when somebody Okay, I I know. I'm

792
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: good right now. Yeah, they might change in a couple months,

793
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: but for right now, I'm good.

794
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: All right, perfect, But thank you, appreciate it, Thank you,