1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Body Bus with Joseph's Gotten More. Arguably one of the 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: most terrifying movies that I ever saw when I was 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: a kid, was actually made in nineteen seventy three, and 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: it's a cult horror film. I don't know. It just 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: really scared the double light of me for whatever reason. 6 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: But the name of it was called The wicker Man, 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: and I think that the reason it was so terrifying 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: was that the idea was that there were sacrifices being made, 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: and you see this thing in these offerings that are 10 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: made at the end of that movie, and it was 11 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: something that really stuck with me, and not being obviously 12 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: in a tend to burning man, when I saw this 13 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: effigy that for years now has been burned in conclusion 14 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: to that event, it reminded me of The wicker Man. 15 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: I'm not the first person that has actually, you know, 16 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: talked about this over a period of time. But you 17 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: know what's even more terrified is that when life, maybe 18 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: on some level, imitates art, It's one thing to maybe 19 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: think about sacrifice human sacrifice, it's completely another thing when 20 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: it comes about that you have a homicide that's committed 21 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: and one of the most attended events in American history 22 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: for a protracted period of time. As a matter of fact, 23 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: when an attendee looks down at her feet, she sees 24 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: a man lying there in a pool of blood, and 25 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: chaos is all around, and there are, in fact no answers. 26 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm Josephcott Morgan and this is Bodybags, David. I've been 27 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: talking about this event, you know, that happened out there 28 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: at out in Nevada, out of the that high desert, 29 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: the isolated areas out there. You know, I guess it's 30 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: been a couple of weeks now. I first was asked 31 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: to appear on Fox and Friends about about this homicide. 32 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: This fellow that was in attendance and had been there, 33 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: he's actually an artist. He's a Russian national actually who 34 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: had been living in the States for some time. It 35 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: was domiciled up in Washington State. And I just, you know, 36 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: they asked me what I thought about it, you know, 37 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: when I went on air with Fox and Friends, and 38 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, just kind of break it down and how 39 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: complex the scene would be, how isolated it is. And 40 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: I was really shocked by the comments and that I 41 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: received from this. And I got to tell you what, 42 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: what a bunch of you know, pretentious, self involved individuals. 43 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: You know. When they were making comments in regards to 44 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: what I was, my perspective was was that, you know, uh, 45 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: this is a homicide investigation. I don't I don't really 46 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: have a dog in the fight. You know, whatever you 47 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: want to do out in the desert. If you want 48 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: to build a town and then set a big effigy 49 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: on fire, have at it, man. You know, make sure 50 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: that you stand back when you strike them mad. 51 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: You're not going to be talking about it unless there's 52 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: a reason to talk about it on network television, which 53 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: means there was a murder, there's. 54 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: A dead body. 55 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was coming into a friend the other day. 56 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: It's like, I, you know, about this particular topic, and 57 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: I was like, I couldn't believe the responses that I got. 58 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: You know, people they were attacking you because you. 59 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: I had never been to Burning Man. It's like, well, damn, man, 60 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: I've never been to Moscow other you know, I've covered 61 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: cases that occurred there. I've covered cases that that happened 62 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: and you know, in far flong places around. We just 63 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: did the mushroom lady, you know a while back. And 64 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: as much as I'd like to go to Australia and 65 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: the people are lovely and uh. 66 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: I've read that they've been asking us to. 67 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: Come down there. By the way, I've never been to Australia, 68 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: but I can talk about a homicide. 69 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: I think governments that the kind of government would lock 70 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: me up. I'm afraid of Australia that I don't want 71 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: to get you. I got to bring it back with 72 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: me to do. We have too much work to do. Okay, 73 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: we got burning Man. Okay, you've got this festival that 74 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: goes on a week. It's an art festival and they've 75 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: got the ten tenants of Burning Man. And look, man, 76 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: whatever you do that doesn't it's like, you know what, Joe, 77 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: you're not allowed to say. 78 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: I don't care anymore. I don't care what you do. 79 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm It's like, if you're an adult in the 80 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: United States of America, do what you want. Man, have 81 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: at it. It's between you and your God. I don't care. 82 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 2: And you know why I don't care, because you're an adult. 83 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: You can do whatever you want. I don't have to care. 84 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: And the thing is, no, unless you need my permission, 85 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: then why do you care what I think? It's like 86 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: we've lost this you know. 87 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: I've lost the plot completely, you know, and this is 88 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: kind of I think the reaction that guy is kind 89 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: of an example of that. But at the end of 90 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: the day, what I am interested in is when I 91 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:02,119 Speaker 1: have a fellow who is a homicide victim and he's 92 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: bleeding out from his neck and there are no answers. 93 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: I approach this, and I don't want to give away 94 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: the plot here, but I approach this almost from an 95 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: academic standpoint, because I'll put it to you this way. 96 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: If I were to have a case that I wanted 97 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: to demonstrate to my students at university about what the 98 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: ultimate nightmare scenario is relative to scene security, collection of evidence, assessment, 99 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: having to get resources, which is something that we actually 100 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: talk about. Dude, that you've hit the apex here we're 101 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: at this is a perfect example of worst case scenario. 102 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: And you know when you work, when you work and 103 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: do planning for things, you always work out worst case 104 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: scenario because it's like, if you handle worst case scenario, 105 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: many times, the logic goes that when other things occur, 106 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: you'll be prepared for them. You prepare, you know the 107 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: old adage, you prepare for the worst. I was on 108 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety six Olympic Planning Committee. I was like 109 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: the representative for the medical examiner way you know, way 110 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: back when, and you know, and I would go in 111 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: these rooms and you know, and listen intently to what 112 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: they were talking about planning, you know, for worst case 113 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: scenario relative to police and fire and ambulance services. And 114 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: here I am, I'm the one medical examiner guy in 115 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: the back. You know, when we worked when the Olympics 116 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: came to town, they couldn't figure out how to classify 117 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: the medical examiner. And we had these kind of fancy 118 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: they were an early version of a barcode digital ID 119 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: that you had with your picture on it. But they 120 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: had certain codes on these things to say what your 121 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: role was while you have the ID, you know, and 122 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: I thought mine would say medical examiner on it or whatever. 123 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: We get our we actually get our IDs the day 124 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: of opening ceremony. Guess what badges they gave us and 125 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: what they said on them. They didn't even have a 126 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: skull and crossbones on them. They said vendor And I'm 127 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: thinking you got to be kidney, So wow, I'm an 128 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: EMMY investigator working in Atlanta. You're talking about these horrible things. 129 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: That could potentially happen. And I'm the vendor. What am 130 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: I going to do? Bring hot dogs to the scene. 131 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: I don't know. 132 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: I don't understand. And as it turned out, and as 133 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: it turned out, you know, we we had the Olympic 134 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: Park bombing and that was a nightmare because just like we. 135 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: Have a class on how you blame the wrong guy 136 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: for saving lives and get him to ruin the rest 137 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: of life. 138 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're gonna get me started on my friend 139 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: Richard Jewel here and it won't be pretty. 140 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: I do want to get into one thing, Joe and 141 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: bringing Man where they talk about it is a city 142 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: built out of nowhere. Okay, it's seventy thousand people strong, 143 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: and they build an entire city. And the whole idea 144 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: is you bring whatever you need for the week and 145 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: you leave. 146 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: That's it. You don't leave anything behind. 147 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: And I will tell you that there's a massive cleanup 148 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: that goes on every year because half of the participants 149 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: leave stuff behind. Of course, I'm not blaming anybody for this. 150 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: For anybody who's ever been to the Talladega super Speedway. Wait, 151 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 2: if you drive I twenty between Atlanta and Birmingham, you 152 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: see the fastest track in the world. It's an amazing 153 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: site and every year, twice a year, there are seventy 154 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: thousand people camping out in the world's largest free camping area. 155 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: Just camping, just camping. 156 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: They got camped, they got tense, and they it's a 157 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: but the thing is Joe, there is a camaraderie among 158 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: the people that go. A lot of people take their vacation. 159 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: Seventy five percent of the tickets are sold out of state. 160 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: So this is for two weeks out of the year, 161 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: an incredible city of over one hundred thousand people. All 162 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: of a sudden it becomes I think the third largest 163 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: city in the state of Alabama for the weeks of 164 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: the track. And so when I was looking at this 165 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: burning man, the murder, because there's always deaths at the 166 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: Talladega super Speedway, they are not what you would expect. 167 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: A lot of times are very odd. 168 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: There's always a lot of there's always a lot of 169 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: weird stories that. 170 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: Come out of these events. 171 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: You know, where you have a bunch of people together 172 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 2: for a very short window, like at Woodstock. Do you 173 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 2: know how many people died of drug overdoses at Woodstock? 174 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: Do you have any babies were born at Woodstock. 175 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: I have heard that there were several I don't know 176 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: how many. 177 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: We've all heard that, and it's all a lie. There 178 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: was never a baby born at Woodstock. There was not 179 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: an overdose death. One of the deaths actually was run 180 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: over by one of the trash trucks that rolled over 181 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: his sleeping bag that he was in because he was 182 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: passed out. Yeah, it didn't happen the way they tell 183 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: you it did. There's not one child born at Woodstock 184 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: that had to be registered up there in upstate New 185 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: York as a human being being born there. But I 186 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: tell you that because in this case, if you had 187 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: told me that this is the first time they had 188 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: an incident like this, where you've got a thirty seven 189 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: year old man who is really and truly coming from 190 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: Russia to the United States of America. And I can 191 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: just imagine the heart on this guy. And he's there 192 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: as an artist, and he's experiencing this whole week and 193 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: it's been a great week. And as you're going to 194 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: this major event that the whole week builds towards, we 195 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: end up with seventy thousand people ooping and hollering and 196 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: doing a dance around a guy that bleeds out and 197 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: nobody helps him. How does that happen? Joseph Scott Morgan. 198 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that you know, first off, okay, 199 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: here's what you're doing with And I was actually press 200 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: I did not initiate this, just so you know, so 201 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: that everybody listening, I did not initiate this. This what 202 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: is it? Query? If you will. Somebody asked me, well, 203 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: would hallucinogens factor into these events? Would any kind of 204 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: substance that someone would have been taken? And I'm like, well, yeah, 205 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: I mean there are people that can imbibe and any 206 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: number of substances that are mind altering, and the reality, 207 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: their perception of reality is not what it would have 208 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: been otherwise. And and what I mean by that is 209 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: that you can see things if you're taking some mind 210 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: altering substance where you might perceive it as a threat otherwise, 211 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're just like this normal 212 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: person that works in an office and you've gotten away 213 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: and say, yeah, yeah, I think I'm going to do 214 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: a head of acid or I'm going to do mushrooms 215 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: or I don't know, whatever, whatever, you know, pick your poison, 216 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: whatever it is, and it changes your worldview in that 217 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: moment and in the frenzy of the crowd, because we 218 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: have to understand that police believe, police believe that Adam 219 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:14,359 Speaker 1: Gruglov he actually may have been killed. At that conclusive 220 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: moment where this effigy is set ablaze, now this signals 221 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: the end of this festival. It's like the big culmination. 222 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: And you know, you had mentioned that there were seventy 223 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: thousand people there, and that's very significant. One thing I 224 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: did find out along the way is that the numbers 225 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: have dropped. They're not as robust as they once were, 226 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: and it's probably the same you know in other instances. 227 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: I'm from New Orleans. My favorite thing to do in 228 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: New Orleans is during the year is not going to 229 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: Marty Grass. My favorite thing when I was living in 230 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: New Orleans was to go to New Orleans Jazz Fest, 231 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: which by far is consistently packed to the brim with people, 232 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: and as a matter of fact, I think the population 233 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: that attends that has increased every year. But you know what, 234 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: you got running water, you got toilets, you got some 235 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: of the best food in the world, you got some 236 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: of the best music, and you never know who's going 237 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: to be playing and again you're in the desert. You've 238 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: got nothing they you know, you'd mentioned this for our 239 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: friends out there that are not familiar. They actually conct 240 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: construct this town out of nothing. They call it a town. 241 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: But this dwelling, this temporary village. You have tents, you 242 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: have campers that are out there. So you've got people 243 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: that have kind of transported their domesticity, I guess, their 244 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: domestic life out there so that they can survive. And Dave, 245 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I got to tell you 246 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: that in and of itself, is a huge clue in 247 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: this case. As a matter of fact, I'm going to 248 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: reveal a bit of evidence that, in my opinion, is 249 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: going to lead potentially to identification of a killer. I've 250 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: tried to put myself in the shoes of an individual 251 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: that has been just enjoying themselves for an entire week. 252 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: You know, after you've been in a place, it's kind 253 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: of like camping. You know, you go into a location, 254 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: particularly if you're primitive camp which me and my family 255 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: have done, particularly when our kids were younger. We'd go 256 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: out and set up a tent and just kind of live, 257 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, in the wilderness. You know, for a week 258 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: or so, and and and we enjoyed ourselves. 259 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: Story joe Gan bit of camping. 260 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I like to do that when I was younger, 261 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: but as I when my back started getting bad, my 262 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: kids were at that age where they wanted to camp, 263 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: and I didn't want them to you forego that, and 264 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: so we did. But whenever we went, I always took 265 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: what I needed. I wanted them to enjoy. I wanted 266 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: them to have fun. But my guy, I always had 267 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: my generator, I always had my TV. I always had 268 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: a DVD player and an air conditioner, and I would 269 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: tell them, you guys want to camp in the tent. 270 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: It's right there. I set it up. There's a fire, 271 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: We'll sit around and sing. I'll tell you some scary stories. 272 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: But when you go lay down in that tent, I'm 273 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: going to be back here in the back of my ranger, 274 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: my mattress, my air conditioner, and y'all can just suck 275 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: it because I'm old. 276 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: I'm not kidding, primitive cacta. 277 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: I dig what you're saying, man, I mean I feel 278 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: the same way camp. Kimmy loves to camp. It's it's 279 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: it's not my jam. Necessarily, I got over it. It's 280 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: not something I necessarily want to do. I'm not a 281 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: big fan of driving down the road in a camper 282 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: because I'm terrified I'm going to wreck the thing, and 283 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: you invest thousands of thousands of dollars. I'm very cautionary 284 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: in that sense. 285 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 3: You would be a train wreck and a motor home man. 286 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way. There's no way I could do it. 287 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 1: I could never enjoy myself. That is so I don't know. 288 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: It was My most fun trip was a motor home 289 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: trip in my family that all the kids hated, except 290 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 2: for Hannish because she barely remembers it. Not getting a 291 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: different story for a different day. But back to burning Man, 292 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: where you got all these people coming together and they're 293 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: spending a week together with people they don't know. And 294 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 2: by the way, all of the art and all the 295 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: things that are going on, you can look up the 296 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 2: ten tenants of burning Men. There are ten things they 297 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: live by philosophically and physically. There's a deal not having money, 298 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: you trade you part. As a matter of fact, one 299 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: of the things you can do is offer a conversation 300 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: for a drink. And I'm gonna be honest with you 301 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: I'm having spent a lot of my time in the 302 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: life in establishments with adults who like to drink and talk. 303 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 2: If somebody came and told me, hey, man, give me 304 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: a drink of that and we'll talk, I'll be like, 305 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: I'll give you a drink of that if you leave, 306 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: you know, if you go over there and talk to them. 307 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: But that's what burning men is all about. And at 308 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: the end of the week, you know, they bring art 309 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: there and show off. And they had some really big 310 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: stuff over the years. Now was it two years ago 311 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 2: they had a flood. A year or two ago there 312 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: were a massive storm. 313 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: Was a nightmare. 314 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But now you're talking about they've recovered from 315 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: the horrible storm. Now you've got seventy thousand people there 316 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: and they've been partying all week, had a lot of fun, 317 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 2: met new friends, started new relationships, and they've got their art. 318 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: They're getting ready to burn because they destroy it. The 319 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: whole idea is you build it, you show it off, 320 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: and you destroy it. Now they do take a few 321 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: things back. Some people just can't do it. I hope 322 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: I could, but I don't know that I would, you know, 323 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: and burning it is a way of really etching it 324 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: in your mind, if something you did and realizing that 325 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: it has no value. 326 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: And I love that thought. I loved it it. 327 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, actually it is a very cool thought 328 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: that a lot of the temporal stuff in this life 329 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: doesn't really have a lot of value, and it's the 330 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: moments that you spend with people that you care about. 331 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think we talked about that 332 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: to a great degree on body bags. We touch on 333 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: the fragility of life and how suddenly it can all 334 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: end and come to an end right quick as a 335 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: matter of fact. But can you imagine in dwelling a 336 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: space and for a week and maybe you know the 337 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: victim you've seen him about, because this guy he was 338 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: actually he's an artist and he had actually gone out 339 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: to construct one of these, you know, one of these 340 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: structures that was art. He's an artist and had spent 341 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: time doing it. And from what I understand it, it 342 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: was rather large, and you know, you want people to 343 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: take notice of it, But can you can you just 344 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: for a second transport yourself to the finders? And we've 345 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: talked about who a finder is previously on bodybacks, who 346 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: the finder was. They may have seen the victim. They 347 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: may have spoken with him, maybe they shared one of 348 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: those drinks that you mentioned. Okay, But then as the 349 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: thing comes to a finale at about nine o'clock that night, 350 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: this individual who is the finder, looks down at their 351 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: feet and an individual is motionless, and what do they see. Well, 352 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: they see what police have characterized as a significant pool 353 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: of blood. And it was the initiative of the person 354 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 1: that was the finder. There were Share steputies around and 355 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: trying to flag down a share deputy and get them 356 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: over there to assess this person. Now at night, Yeah, 357 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: it's at night. It's like nine pm when this went down, 358 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: when this individual was discovered. So let's just talk about 359 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: logistics here just for a second. If you're in the 360 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: life saving, life protecting and life saving business, can you 361 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: imagine how much has to go into getting someone from 362 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: a scene that is so isolated where they don't even 363 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: have self service, Dave, they don't have self service in 364 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: this area to try to get them to some facility 365 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: that could save their life. And are you going to 366 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: have those types of resources on site? Because I got 367 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: to tell you the reason she saw a pool of blood. 368 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: As it turns out, and according to authorities that has 369 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: just been released in the last few days. He had 370 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: a large sharp force injury singular to his throat. Now, 371 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, if someone has had a 372 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: blade inserted into their neck, that might be other than 373 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: stabbing somebody directly in the heart, that might be the 374 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: most lethal area you could ever attack somebody. Yet, and 375 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: here's why. The vessel structures that are contained in all 376 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: of the organs of the neck, that kind of rope 377 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: their way around and snaked through and there you know 378 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: you've got venus return, you've got arterial delivery. Not to mention, 379 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: you've got an airway. There are so many critical areas 380 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: in the neck that just by clipping one of these areas, 381 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: you think about the croateid, you think about the juggler vein, 382 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: You're going to bleed out. And I don't care if 383 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: you had and I've said this before, but I don't care. 384 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: If you've got highly skilled surgeons that are standing by, 385 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: and you've got units of blood that you can hang, 386 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: there's a high probability this is going to be unsurvivable, 387 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: even if they've gotten to him in time. You know, 388 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: you think about applying direct pressure all those things to 389 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: kind of stem stem, the blood flow that's coming out 390 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: of this body. What are you going to do? This 391 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: is not like you've got to cut on the back 392 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: of your hand where you can wrap it up apply pressure. 393 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: And yet we're going to get you to the emergency room. 394 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: Might be an hour or so, but we'll get you there. 395 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: They'll be able to examine it, stit you up, and 396 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: maybe if you need surgery that can be done. No, no, no, no, no, 397 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: that's not what we're talking about. Out of all the 398 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: locations on the human body that you could sustain an injury, 399 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: the fact that you take a knife to the neck 400 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: is I think that it goes relative to the attacker. 401 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: In this case, there's a real sense of purpose of 402 00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: lethality here. 403 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: Uh. 404 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: It's not like you swung the knife and kind of 405 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: sliced at them. This is you actually approach the individual 406 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: and inserted them right yeah, yeah, I mean right into 407 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: their next out. Then you begin to think about, well, 408 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: what in the world, what in the world, And I 409 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: would imagine investigators are asking this right now, what in 410 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: the world could someone what would have been their motivation 411 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: for having taken the young man's life. I mean, he's 412 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: only in his late thirties. He's an artist, you know. 413 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if he had any confrontations with anybody 414 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: out there. I don't know if someone didn't like his art, 415 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: someone didn't like him because maybe he was from Russia. 416 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: I have no idea there. And the thing about it 417 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: is out there, Dave, there are people that come there 418 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: from all over the world. 419 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 3: Right, it's an art thing. 420 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 2: I mean, beyond all the jokes of one might make 421 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: about you know, communes and things like that. You're dealing 422 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: with a world renowned event that's been taking place for 423 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 2: many years, seventy thousand people in one spot for a week, 424 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: that takes a lot of effort, a lot of time, 425 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: and a lot of organization. And still I'm thinking, if 426 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: that's me, And let's just say it was accidental, Joe. 427 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: You know, somebody's messing around in Boom, you get accidentally knife. 428 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: You're in the middle of seventy thousand people, all at night, 429 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: in the dark, in the middle of nowhere, and you said, 430 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: no cell phone, no wife, I know nothing. I'm thinking, 431 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 2: do you hope and pray there's an eighteen wheeler with 432 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: a CB and somebody can connect to a base station. 433 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: How do you get any help. I mean, I know 434 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: they've got medics, but how do you get help for 435 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 2: something like this in the middle of nowhere amongst thousands 436 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 2: of people. 437 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that would be that's the rub here. And 438 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: of course that carries over which we will get into. 439 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: That carries over into crompscene management as well. 440 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you start, how do you start with that, Joe? 441 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: Because you mentioned the finder looks down and he's a 442 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: guy in a puddle of blood. 443 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine. 444 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: They have to yeah, and they have to track somebody 445 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: down that's wearing a badge and a vest and a 446 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: firearm that's just kind of standing there. Now. There were 447 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: representatives from the local county sheriff's department. You also had 448 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: individuals that were federal federal park rangers that are out 449 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: there who are police officers as well. I actually talked 450 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: to a student of mine, former student from my early 451 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: days of teaching, and I will not say what agency 452 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: he is with, but he's a federal police officer and 453 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: he was assigned to burning Man many years ago, and 454 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: he had reached out to me in a text message 455 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: and he said, have you been following the scene, you know, 456 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: out at burning Man? And I was like, yeah, actually 457 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: I made a comment on on television about it. He's like, yeah, 458 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: when when I worked out there many years ago and 459 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: I was a sign to do this, he said. I 460 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: got out there and he was like, how in the 461 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: hell are we going to manage this? Because you know, 462 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: you're kind of dropped down into this environment that has 463 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: been chosen. You can try to plan for any kind 464 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: of scenario relative to communication, relative to transport. You know, 465 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: you have to have resources and have somebody on alert. 466 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 1: That's like, because when a population of seventy thousand people, 467 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: you have no idea what kind of medical histories are 468 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: out there. They're going to be so varied. You might 469 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: have people that have terminal events going on in their life. 470 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: You might have people that have major drug problems. You 471 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: might have people that are genetically predisposed. You might have 472 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: people that have severe heart disease and they just want 473 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: to go out there and enjoy themselves. But you never 474 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: it's going to be a mixed back, So you have 475 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: to be prepared. Are you going to be able to 476 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: metavack somebody out of there? And what's the closest hospital 477 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: you can get them to? And I'm sure that a 478 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: lot of that stuff had been laid out. But when 479 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: it comes to how do you plan for a homicide 480 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: and you've got the potential of sixty nine thousand, nine 481 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety nine suspects, where do you go from there? So, 482 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: Brother Dave, we know at this moment in time that 483 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: there is no suspect that they have, at least that 484 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: they've identified to this point in involving the homicide of 485 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: mister Krugelov. 486 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, very quick question. Yeah, sure, Okay, we. 487 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: Know that he was found in a pool of blood. 488 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: Was he dead when they actually did? 489 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that he was. And that's this is 490 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: the other thing. If you've got this kind of injury, 491 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: all right, you're going to die of what's referred to 492 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: as exanguination. And it's a ten dollars word that people 493 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: in my field in medicine love to use, which means 494 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: you bleed out and there's no way to stem the flow. 495 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: And I've had people Dave over the course of my 496 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: career that have bled out from the slightest little injury. 497 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I was reviewing a case 498 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: I was teaching crumsene assessment the other day to one 499 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: of my undergrad undergrad classes at jack State. And I 500 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: worked a case in Atlanta many years ago where two 501 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: guys had gotten drunk and the other guy took a 502 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: folding pocket knife and merely stabbed stabbed his friend that 503 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: was in the hotel room with him in the crook 504 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: of his right arm. And that's also in medicine, they 505 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: refer to that as the ACF. It's an a cubital 506 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: fossa is the term, but it's the crook of the arm. 507 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: And there's again there's a network of vessels that pass 508 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: through there. Matter of fact, a major vessel that runs 509 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: through there as well. And he bled out simply from 510 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: a very it was I think, if I remember correctly, 511 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: that wound in the crook of his arm may have 512 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: been two thirds of an inch in depth, and it 513 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: killed him. He bled out there on the spot, So 514 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: you never know. And then I've had cases where people 515 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: had huge, gaping injuries to their chest and they survived 516 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: for hours. It just it didn't clip anything that was 517 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: critical at that point in time. The wound might look 518 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: absolutely horrible, but it's amazing, you know, when you begin 519 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: to think about sharp force injuries. We talked about sharp 520 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: force injuries, and we have stabbings, just as like a 521 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: quick review, a primer, if you will. We have stabbings, 522 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: and we have in sized injuries, and so in sized 523 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: injuries are like slices, so they are shallow, but they're 524 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: long most of the time. Stabbings they're deep and concentrated. 525 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: So you go into and look, our friends are very 526 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: bright that listen to the show. I think, I think 527 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: we've got the brightest audience out there. If you insert 528 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: it into a specific area, there's a higher probability that 529 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: deep within, deep within that anatomical structure, you've got a 530 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: high probability of clipping something, as it turns out at 531 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: this scene. And one of the bigger reveals over the 532 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: past few days is that authorities have now stated that 533 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: they recovered an knife at the scene, and the knife 534 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: is not a typical knife. We have been talking for 535 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: years now about Idaho and what were we talking about 536 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: k Bar over and over and over and over again 537 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: when Idaho occurred. You know, people were talking about rambow knives, 538 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: they were talking about military knives. They didn't they hadn't 539 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: absolutely identified anything yet. And of course we found out 540 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: that it was k Bar, which is in fact is 541 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: a lethal specifically meant that is specifically manufactured to kill 542 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: people with the for the military Dave. The knife that 543 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: they found is something that either you or I could 544 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: go to any big box store store and not go 545 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: to the sporting good section, but walk back into the 546 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: home goods section and pick up a block of these 547 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: knives and they come in a block, and everybody's going 548 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: to know what I'm talking about. It's these new ceramic 549 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: style knives that they have, and they have everything that 550 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: a standard steel knife set has. You know, you've got 551 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: a variety of different cutlery that are contained therein but 552 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: these things are made out of ceramics with a rubber handle, 553 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: very sharp. They get the job done. And the knife 554 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: that was actually utilized, and I think that this is 555 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: a big key to solving this thing, is a kitchen 556 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: knife that if you'll just envision in your mind, this 557 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 1: is the same style knife that you would use if 558 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: you were on your cutting board and you're chopping up onions, 559 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: or you're chopping up peppers, or you're preparing a meal 560 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: with It's got a very broad blade on it with 561 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: a very sharp tip. It's a lime green. I don't 562 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: know how it is to describe it lime green, neon green, 563 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: or whatever the case might be. 564 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 3: That was the murder weapon. 565 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: That was the murder weapon. So I got to tell 566 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: you there's. 567 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: Just that kind of knife job. I've never heard of 568 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 3: them until you started telling me about it. 569 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've seen them, trust me, Trust me, you have 570 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: seen these. They're everywhere probably no, no, no, no, they are. 571 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: People get them as wedding gifts and they're ceramic. When 572 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: you see these things, they really stand out. It's like 573 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: it's like if you misplaced it in the kitchen, it 574 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't be misplaced long. You'd be like, where did I 575 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: put my knife? And it's like glowing on the cap 576 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: or that brilliant you know when you see it. And 577 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: so what does that tell me as an investigator? 578 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 3: Well? 579 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: Do you real? 580 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: Because what it tells me is that I don't own 581 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 2: those knives? So I'm not it. 582 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: You're on the Christmas list, it's heading your way. So, uh, 583 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: Santa Claus is right around the corner, brother. Okay, So 584 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: in this particular case, I believe that this knife was 585 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: potentially a weapon of convenience. Now, what did we say? 586 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: People show up and they manufacture a city out of nothing, 587 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: and they bring their domestic bobbles with them out there. 588 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: You know what am I going to need in order 589 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: to survive for a week? Am I going to need 590 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: a gas stove? Am I going to need a generator? 591 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: Because you know, in the words of Blanche Dubois, you're 592 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: not going to be able to be dependent upon the 593 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: kindness of strangers, even though you have exchange that will 594 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: take place, and you're bartering for things, you want to 595 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: come prepared. Well, what are you going to bring? Well, 596 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: if you're let's just say that you love onions, all right, 597 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: and you're going to cook up some meal that contains onions, 598 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: well you need something to chop them up with. Oh yeah, 599 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: In my camper, I've got this block of lime green 600 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: knives that I purchased at Sam's or wholesale club, you know, BJ's, 601 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: Wholesale Club or you name it, Walmart, it doesn't matter. 602 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: And they've got these things sitting in their camper. Well, 603 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: why is it that somebody would draw this knife out 604 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: of the block that you would have it inserted into 605 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: and take it out there and thrust it through the 606 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: neck of this poor fellow. That's an artist that's been 607 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: creating things out there in the middle of the desert 608 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: for an entire week. Why is it. It's not like 609 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: they went to some major sporting goods store Dave and 610 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: literally went out and bought a k bar or bought 611 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: a survival knife. That's not what this is. This smacks 612 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: of somebody that's there in a domestic situation, temporary domestic situation, 613 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: that has this knife at their convenience. And interestingly enough, 614 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: I would see when I would work cases in both 615 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: Atlanta and New Orleans involving homeless people, I did come 616 00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: across homeless people that would arm themselves, would like steak knives, 617 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: and they would use them for a variety of things. 618 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: You know, even sailors that are on boats years and 619 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: years ago and maybe today. I'm not a sailor, I'm 620 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: an old soldier, but they have the utility of having 621 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: a knife on their belt because there's all kinds of 622 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: things you have to do. You have to cut things 623 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: with it, you have to pry things open. That's you. 624 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: You wouldn't use this knife in order to build something 625 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: with It wouldn't last very long. 626 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't have that knife. 627 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like something to be great in 628 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 2: the kitchen, and only in the kitchen. Like I have 629 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: knives that pardon me, when I'm leaving the house to 630 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 2: go fishing or doing something, I don't carry a knife 631 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 2: like that. I carry a knife that bold. I do 632 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 2: have a long one I do have. 633 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 3: I do have a rainbow knife with it. You know. 634 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 2: I've got my little screw with the compass and the 635 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 2: string and survival knife just in case, because you never 636 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 2: know what day you're going to jump off a cliffland 637 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 2: and the tree and say yours up up. 638 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 3: It's something that could happen. 639 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 2: And so I would didn't have a knife like this 640 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,760 Speaker 2: on a temporary journey somewhere now. In my motor home, Joe, 641 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 2: in my motor home, I had stuff like this, Yes, 642 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 2: just for the motor home. It wasn't for anything else. 643 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 2: We didn't bring these in the house. This was just 644 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,959 Speaker 2: our motor home stuff. It wasn't every day, it didn't 645 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 2: get mixed in. And that includes plates, perhaps everything the 646 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: whole nine years. 647 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think most people operate that way. 648 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: You buy it specifically for that for your house on wheels, 649 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: if you will, absolutely, And so you know, when I 650 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: saw that they had released this information. I'm not going 651 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: to say it was like some huge episthanal moment for me, 652 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: but as an investigator, I would begin to think about, well, 653 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: if I have the knife, can I track it down 654 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: to a manufacture If it came from a specific manufacturer, 655 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: then what was a lot number in which it was 656 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: manufactured in when was the sing manufacturing? And what retailers 657 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,720 Speaker 1: sell this thing? Where do you go? Because you know, listen, 658 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: first off, you've got a chaotic scene. I'm going to 659 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: get into that in just a second, but when you 660 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 1: think about seventy thousand people, that's an estimate, all right, 661 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: seventy thousand people that are congregated in this one locale. Dude, 662 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: as soon as the scene is over with, they're in 663 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 1: the wind, they're gone the crime scene. Joe, Well. 664 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 2: Out, look, if you come to my house because I'm 665 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 2: laying dead, the first thing you're doing is everybody stands still. 666 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you move. 667 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 668 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,720 Speaker 2: You know, if you're in a bar investigating and stabbing 669 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 2: everybody that's here when they haven't get back up your 670 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 2: hands against the wall, I mean it's. 671 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to remove, You're going to remove the witnesses, 672 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: but you have this is the nightmare that the police 673 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: are faced with. You know, how do you cry? And 674 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: can you imagine You've got a very limited number of 675 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: law enforcement officers out there. I don't know how many 676 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: of these guys in rural Nevada have ever worked a homicide, 677 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: much less a park ranger, a federal park ranger. No 678 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: disrespect that. I've met some that are lovely people and 679 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: they do a great job, and they it's a dangerous 680 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: shop because they work in isolation. But it's not like 681 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: it's not like you're you know, you've got the Okay, 682 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: let's just say it this way. It's not like you 683 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: have Las Vegas or Clark County Sheriff's office with their 684 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: entire homicide division, right, that's that's going to show up 685 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 1: and work this case. 686 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 3: They don't have the mobile command unit that's coming out there. 687 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: No, no, And they look, this little sheriff's office up 688 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: there might very well have and they probably had something 689 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: set up like that. But how are you It's just 690 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,240 Speaker 1: the idea overwhelming. You know. It's like the old adage 691 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: spitting in the ocean doesn't do too much good to 692 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,919 Speaker 1: raise water level, you know, so you think, you think 693 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: about that and it would be the one word that 694 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: comes to mind would be bewildering. I think just from 695 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: a human standpoint, if you're the investigator and you're looking around, 696 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: you're thinking, oh my lord, how are we going to 697 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: ever manage? And it's not like this is something that 698 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: happens on an island that's isolated that no one's ever 699 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,359 Speaker 1: going to talk about. Suddenly this little jurisdiction has the 700 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: entire eyes of the world on it. Okay, this is 701 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: a festival that has been going on for years and 702 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: years and years and years. People want to know and 703 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: can you imagine the calls that these people are getting. 704 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: They want to know what's going on? Are you going 705 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: to track this down? Are you going to track that down? 706 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: Here's another thing, there's a couple of things long way. 707 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm kind of on a roll right now. But when 708 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,439 Speaker 1: you think, because it's so even as I'm sitting here, 709 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: I think my heart rate is increasing a little bit. 710 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,720 Speaker 1: To think crime scene management. You made a good point 711 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: just a second ago, Dave, about how do you quater 712 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: in this area off? How do you secure it? Because 713 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: that that is that's the underpinning of everything we do 714 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: in death scene investigations. We secure the perimeter of the scene. Well, 715 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: the big question is how big is your perimeter going 716 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: to be? 717 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 3: Dude? 718 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: How big is this thing going to be? How far 719 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: out are you going to expand it and to boot 720 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: this is happening at night? Are you going to look 721 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: for blood trails on this dirty desert surface? Is there 722 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: going to be anything there? Do you have any evidence 723 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: that somebody walked away and they've got blood tripping up 724 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: where they injured. Well, they certainly didn't carry the knife 725 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: off with them, They left it there. So did this 726 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 1: individual have any kind of blood that was on them 727 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: that was you know that may he if he clipped 728 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 1: an artery, you might have arterial spray, you know, which, 729 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: given the volume of blood that they're talking about, that 730 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: could have happened. But are you going to notice this 731 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: individual in a crowd of people that I don't know 732 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: what the bathroom facilities are like, I don't know if 733 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: they have portable showers. There's probably a lot of people 734 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: out there there, I don't know, they're kind of funky. 735 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: By now, everybody's going to have a little bit of 736 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 1: dirt on them, and this person just wanders off and 737 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 1: disappears into the crowd. Now, I will say this, this 738 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: gentleman actually had friends that were there, and they were 739 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: native Russians as well. He had had several friends that 740 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: were there allegedly with him. They're going to be a 741 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: source of information. I can almost dollars to donuts. I 742 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 1: can guarantee you that the police have, you know, because 743 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: they're vested. They want to know who kill their friend, 744 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,399 Speaker 1: right one of them, and they want to be able 745 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: to explain it to his family over in Russia. And 746 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: so they're going to be asking them who was he 747 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: interacting with when he was here? Was there anybody that 748 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: popped up on your radar? Had you seen anybody walking 749 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: around with a lime green neon knife at any point 750 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,359 Speaker 1: in time? Had he made mention of this sort of thing? 751 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: I was really thinking about, well, could there be any 752 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: transfer evidence on either him or more specifically on that knife. 753 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,359 Speaker 1: The first thing that really came to mind is going 754 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,839 Speaker 1: to be fingerprints, any kind of latent prints that are 755 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: left behind on the surface of that knife. Now, would 756 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: it be possible to lift them? Hard to say the 757 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: handle is actually rubber. I think that one of the 758 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: things that they would have to do would probably be 759 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,759 Speaker 1: obviously secure that knife and get that knife to the 760 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: crime lab as soon as I can. They would probably 761 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 1: have to do superglue fuming on this thing, so that 762 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: when the super glue, you heat the super glue up 763 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: and you put it actually in an aquarium. You kind 764 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 1: of suspend it in the air and it's a super 765 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: glue heats up, it falls back down in a kind 766 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: of a it's in a vapor form, and it settles 767 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: on those fatty lip its that are left behind, you know, 768 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 1: from our greasy fingertips, and you can you can capture 769 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,399 Speaker 1: a fingerprint that way. 770 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 2: Is that pause I learned from watching forty eight hour 771 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 2: I mean Beverly Hills Cop you. 772 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 3: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. 773 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: So it's it's so very complex if you're thinking about footprints, 774 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: forget it, because you got so much stuff that's co 775 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: mingled out there, people shuffling around. How long did he 776 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: lay there? Were they able to do a post mortem 777 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: interval measurement on him, you know when they actually do 778 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: the assessment, because that goes back to well, first off, 779 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 1: we would have to establish a baseline into somebody last 780 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: see this guy living in breathing When was the last 781 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: time Smuddy spoke with him? I cannot fathom in my 782 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: mind a case recently where that bit of information is 783 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 1: is is so important. You know, it's exemplified in this 784 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: case because that's going to be key to this. And 785 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 1: then you marry that up with what you're finding, you know, 786 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: on the body. What's the body telling you about what happened? 787 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's a huge mess, you know. 788 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,399 Speaker 1: I got to tell you a tip of the cap 789 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: to the police that are working this. It's it's very easy, 790 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: obviously to come up with a cause and certainly a 791 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: manner of this. In this case, they ruled the manner 792 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: as a homicide as well it should be. This guy 793 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: did not stab himself in the neck. They're out there 794 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: actively looking. But the problem is is that where do 795 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 1: you begin. Where do you begin to find a suspect? 796 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: Is there any physical evidence that was left behind on 797 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,439 Speaker 1: either the victim's body, on this instrument, or was there 798 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: any kind of circumstantial evidence associated with conversations that he 799 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: had had, things that were overheard, or maybe something that 800 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,839 Speaker 1: an eyewitness picked up on. I don't know. I can 801 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: tell you this though. We're going to stay up speed 802 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: on this case. And Brother Dave and I are going 803 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: to come back, and we'll give you an update as 804 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 1: soon as we know more. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and 805 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: this is Bodybacks