WEBVTT - Superman Roundtable 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:21.680 Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for Superman currently in theaters. Hello, 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.440 my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm rosday Night, and 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:27.200 welcome back to x Ravay of the podcast where we 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.480 dive the bit to your favorite shows, movies, comments, and 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.640 pop culture company Over my our podcast Where Were We You? 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:38.000 Episodes every Tuesday and Thursday, plus highlighting the summer's biggest 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.000 movies every Friday, and news on Saturday. 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:46.640 In today's episode, we have gathered the Justice Gang and Planetwatch. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.919 Depends who's on which side we will see, we'll see 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.560 it's Superman and the Justice Gang talking Superman and will 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.760 we talking about why we think the DC universe could 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.600 head next Well, our super producers thought of the movie 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:06.480 and guys, no episode on Thursday, but we will be 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.399 back on Friday for our newest popcorn pop out, talking 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.920 about probably the phenomenon of the summer so far K 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.920 Pop Demon Hunters on Netflix. And then we'll be bringing 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.360 you some fun and fresh updates from Comic Con and 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:26.480 I can't believe it's almost here, guys. But first. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:32.920 Our Superan Roundtable. Let's welcome in the roundtable participants, our 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.200 super producer crew Joel, how are you. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:39.959 I'm here for Justice Gang, but I would like us 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:40.800 to have a new name. 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:43.960 He said, It's not the Justice Gang. Babe. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:45.560 Carmen, good morning. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.680 How are you doing well? Thanks for having me. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:52.960 Aaron, Aaron, how you do him? 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.640 I'm so excited to talk about that little men in 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.280 Black alien guy who was working in the jail in 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.680 the zero dimension. I can't wait for all of our 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.160 theories on that character. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.520 Bro't don't gus tempt it. You're gonna close. 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:15.960 Okay, First, let's Superman. First of all, is a huge hit, 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.960 a massive hit. We should recognize that. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:19.959 Good job. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:25.880 Good job Superman, Good job, Warner Brothers. Congratulations, David Zaslav, 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.840 you did it, my guy. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.680 Yeah, good job. Guys. We like you did it. You 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:34.480 did a good job. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.680 Look what are our quick headline reactions to this film? 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:39.960 Let's start with you Erin. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:45.040 I thought it was really good. I think I wound 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.320 up probably like a seven or eight out of ten. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.880 I think that this is a really fun movie. I 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:52.720 had a great time the whole time. I had some 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:56.160 issues with it, small things, but like I walked in 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.040 not sure what to expect. I was not sold on 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.320 corn sweat before and I walked out of it saying, like, 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:08.639 the casting of this movie incredible and everyone overperformed. Everyone overperformed. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.600 So yeah, I thought it was very good, seven or 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:12.200 eight out of ten. 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:17.600 Carmen, Yeah, I think the casting was amazing. To Aaron's point, 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.840 but the first thing I said when the movie was over, 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.600 and I did Texas to the group chat as well, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.120 but I said that I was very proud that Bimbo's 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.640 had saved the day. And there are some you know, 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:36.760 we do have some criticisms on that later, but it 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:42.360 gave me somebody relate to relate to, and I enjoyed it. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.840 I gave it a nine out of ten, and that's 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.000 because I think largely like my cinema experience played a 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.160 big part in that. I was in the third row. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.240 I was literally looking up at the screen. There were 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.760 kids in the rows behind me, like every time Crypto 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.680 was on screen. It was such a cute moment in 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:05.000 the theater. So love that. I'm saying it again tonight 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.520 and we'll see a Leicester last. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:14.320 Yes, I've seen it twice. At the third time, I've 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.159 seen it twice, I've got tickets to see it at 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:20.560 the third time. I love this movie. I believe a 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:24.280 man can fly, and I believe superhero movies are gonna 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.280 keep being around for decades to come. Y'all, we are 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:32.640 not going anywhere. There's so much to say about this movie, 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.840 but for the quickest behind the scenes Warner Brothers has said, 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:42.680 sinners f one companion this movie. It all the way 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.279 to the Bay after after the loss of Joker too, 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.800 which was people wondering if Warner Bros. Could ever recover 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.400 as a studio afterwards. To go from that to this 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.240 a space that gives us a really hopeful feature for 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:59.359 DC comic books on screen. I think it's it's a 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.200 fantastic turn around. I guess as zero points. Congratulations to 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.599 all the producers and creatives who made this happen. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.160 Also, I mean, let's be seriously, they released Minecraft this 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:15.480 year like the biggest hits, like this is the thing, money, money, money, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.080 and this is also everywhere making money. And I'm I'm 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.800 happy because I feel like we didn't one hundred percent 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.119 know where this one was gonna land. It's the most 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:30.039 profitable solo Superman movie opening weekend. 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.160 We should also not f one a co pro between 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.600 Apple Studios and Warner Brothers Warner is distributing Apple Producers, 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:39.240 so yeah, you know. 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.880 What, Warner is good at those deals because Warner also 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:47.400 makes Abbot Elementary that's right, and then we know ABC 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.120 distros it, so they've done a good job with those 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.279 kind of deals. But yeah, I'm I love that you 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.640 guys all enjoyed this movie. Obviously, if you listen to 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.440 Mine and Jason talking about the movie, we also really 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:03.200 enjoyed it. Let's talk about one thing that you guys 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.719 loved and one thing that like didn't walk. Let's go 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.160 the other way around, Joelle, what was your one thing 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.120 that you really loved and one thing that maybe could 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:11.640 have been better? 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.479 I love that Superman and Lois Fuck. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:15.600 I love. 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:21.920 A cheesy bathtub. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.200 Superman. That scene. I was like, the hell is happy? 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.960 He lifted her up with one mom. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.080 Like they do it in that tiny kitchen, and I 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.479 was like, who can't relate to this young love? This 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.200 is great. I also love that Lois is like canonically 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.240 older than Superman. It reads really well on the screen. 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.240 It's like hyper cute. I love she. 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:46.359 Makes it clear in their in their early part of 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:51.000 their scenes together that like unsure what the emotions are, 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:56.720 but this is primarily about we fucking yeah. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.520 I also like that she just tells everyone. Everyone will 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.640 be like, how's that guy? She just seeing him? Just 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.000 see we know what that babe? Yeah? 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:13.320 Field, or he only dates people he meets at work. 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.880 For the internet, these fragile feelings. I don't think that 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.840 he can barely be on Twitter. 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.080 I don't think he's He's met and he met her 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.800 three months ago, and he like casually tells her he 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.480 loves her, and it's like, I should have told you 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:28.240 that a long time ago. He's like, like, what do 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.280 you mean? He's a sweet I met you. 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:35.239 I was ready to commit amazing uh. Like Coutique, I 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.560 I feel like the Engineer is such an interesting character 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.480 that got to do nothing on screen, and it really 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.120 bugs me. It was just like I gave him my 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:44.680 humanity for this, and like, I would love to have 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.960 seen it, Babe, would love to have seen you a 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.520 make this choice and be what that sacrifice meant for you? 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.880 And really I can extend that to almost all of 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.360 Luther's Like I really I love a good villain and 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.040 this is an excellent villain, and a good villain with 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.200 good henches is even better. And I really feel like 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.920 We had a good cast of characters here who didn't 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.520 get enough time to shine in the positions they were 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.560 in for us to understand, like the dynamics between Luther 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.000 and these people because when not to get too far head, 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.200 but somebody gets injured and Luther's like seems to be 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.240 very affected by this. I'm like, I needed more of 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.640 why so I would I would like to see more 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.840 of it in the future, But overall really filled with. 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.480 This movie common how about you So. 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.360 Something that really worked for me, which at first I 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:33.800 was nervous about, was Crypto the super Dog. I was 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.679 nervous at first and excited when I saw the trailers 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:41.559 because it kind of reminded me of the Scooby Doo movies. Basically, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.480 how's it going to be having, you know, a cgi 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.600 dog on screen? But they pulled it off, in my opinion, 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.880 really really well, and he was used just enough to 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:58.400 keep things I think exciting and chaotic, but he was 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:03.360 not used so much that he just kind of you 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.640 got tired of seeing him there. Every time he came 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.440 on screen. It was a moment in the theater, like 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:12.640 I said before, and he was probably one of my 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.360 favorite parts of the movie. I'm like, that was my 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.400 I was watching it and thinking, that's my dog. Yeah. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.439 I love that he's like a cheeky, badly behaved all. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:21.160 Yeah. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.600 I think that's one of the things that's most fun 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:28.040 about it, and that really gets people going in the cinema, 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.360 Like when he's injured at the beginning and Crypto is 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.839 just like jumping on him, and then when you kind 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.080 of get the payoff of seeing why that is at 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.240 the end is really fun. What didn't work for you common. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.960 Well, I think we're all going to have similar criticisms here. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.160 But again, for me to kind of piggyback off of 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:51.400 what Joelle said, I also thought that the Hinchman Lexus Henchman, Ultraman, 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.160 and the Engineer were a little flat. I would have 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:58.720 loved I loved that they didn't, like do an origin story. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.000 I love that they just threw us right into the 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:07.200 story because we all know Superman's origin story at this point, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.680 you know. But I would have loved a little bit 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.160 just to kind of make us more emotionally invested in 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:19.240 maybe Ultraman and the Engineer because they were interesting. Villains 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.360 are always some of the most interesting like parts of 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.280 a movie to me. And I wanted to know more. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.240 Yeah, I think they ended up in a problem where 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.520 like Lex was such a fantastic villain, and then the 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.160 idea of the video game kind of players who were 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.920 helping him was such a smart tool. The outside of that, 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:39.960 you were kind of like, well, why would rather just 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.000 be back with them? We weren't given enough and obviously 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.200 the ultraman thing is meant to be like it's a 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.040 twist and it's but then that also feels like maybe 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.600 something where originally it was meant to be something different. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.600 I do we do have some more insight into maybe 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.800 why that happened with some quotes that Saffron and Gun 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.360 recently gave about the authority and how it's kind of 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.920 actually being like held back because it's not working. It 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.560 was meant to be a much bigger part of the 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.880 movie originally. But Aaron, what was your thing that you 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.280 loved and thing that didn't work for you? 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.320 Like I said, the casting I think was incredible. Everyone 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:19.360 was better than I expected, from Nathan Fillion to Bet Bennett. 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:20.720 I mean, everyone played their. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:21.720 Parts of really really well. 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.880 I also thought, like I think Lex was incredible and 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.040 a really great depiction of him. I almost wish we 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.440 just had him piloting faceless raptor soldiers the whole time, 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.760 because then we would just feel like he's the true villain, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.840 and I would not have been disappointed, I think by Ultraman. 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.880 I think that in a lot of ways, it kind 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:45.920 of felt like it was just hitting comic book movie 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.120 greatest hits. We get a scene where the character is 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.719 grappled by enemies, and so they fly up really high 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.080 into the sky and then plummet down. We get a 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.600 scene where it turns out your greatest enemy is a 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.280 clone or just like a carbon copy of you kind 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:03.839 of thing, And like, as much as the Superman is 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.880 a human and he wants to exist among humanity is 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.600 a new take. I think Superman wise, every single x 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.360 Men movie is that same kind of thing. 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.640 Yeah, also like every Spider Man movie, like there's an 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:20.400 evil version of you, and you now people. Also, let's 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:25.960 be realistic. The whole movie is about cultural kind of 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:31.000 feelings about Superman and how to turn Superman into a 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.440 weapon or a villain or something that people won't trust. 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.360 You had a clone of Superman, you could have just 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.640 had him out there doing evil things. That's a classics setup. 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:41.600 So I liked that they did it a little bit different, 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.440 but yeah, I think I think it's interestingly. I think 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.080 the ultraman stuff is more gonna set up kind of 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.520 either a bizarro world type situation or maybe like a 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.760 crime syndicate that's just gonna be a three. But yeah, 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.480 I can understand how. I think that as well. Was 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.840 a bit of a moment where we were all like, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.760 oh when he took the. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.800 Helmet, Yeah, and then a Boo and I saw it 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.960 together and we both walked out and we were kind 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.480 of I think both of us a little like. The 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.720 second act kind of dragged a little bit. I think 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.319 the whole scene with like the river to the black 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.800 hole where he's holding the baby out of the water. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.240 The anti proton river was a little cig crazy that 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.400 took a little too long. 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.680 Yeah, and I couldn't tell what was happening with the 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.079 fight in there, but it led to some fun stuff. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.600 I loved seeing Crypto, like, again, those are some cool 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.400 things in there. It just felt like it got a 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.760 little too a little too convoluted in that particular moment. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:40.440 Okay, what about you, Rosie, what is a thing that 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:42.960 worked for you and a thing that didn't. 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:47.040 Work, I love again. I think you guys have bought 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.760 up tons of great stuff about this movie. I think, 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.640 like the character interactions. The one thing we haven't bought up, 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.079 but I know we talked about it a lot, is 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.840 like I thought mister Terrific was just so good, Like 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.760 everyone was so good, but I think mister Terrific was 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.440 so good. Like if I was making that movie and 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.160 I'd been planning to have a version of the Authority 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.280 working for Lex Luthor, and that was meant to be 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:14.200 like a big kind of moment, and it was meant 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.920 to be this big like WHOA, I would probably be like, Hey, 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.480 what about this other team that works for Maxwell Lord, 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.240 who we've just cast like a fantastic Shakespearean level actor 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:29.720 with who is bringing this kind of complicated like it's thespian, 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.560 But it's also in that James Gunn kind of exploitation 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.080 black exploitation mold that he likes to play with. But 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.040 they actually got a really great actor to be that character, 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.520 and he's such a fun leader. Like I definitely think 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.840 mister Terrific is what I want to see next. And 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.000 I'm glad I saw them say they were thinking about 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.360 doing TV you know TV shows and stuff. But I'm like, 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.480 I think mister Terrific needs to be in the movies. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.240 That is a big screen man. He's proved his way. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.320 Something that didn't work for me, you know what, just 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:07.400 uh not everything tonally landed for me, like the kind 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:13.400 of hope punk against the billionaire Kryptonite kind of thing. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.600 I love the concept of it, I love the idea 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.760 of it, but I was definitely in that Aaron like 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.280 this was like a solid, like seven out of ten 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.000 movie for me. But I think it's like also like 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:27.360 a fantastic movie, and I love how much people are 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.080 enjoying it. I just think like there's always going to 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.360 be some things that don't necessarily gel and I think 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.960 that was for me like less than one thing, because 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.280 I really think all the disparate parts of this movie 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.080 are pretty great. That was just one thing where I 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.560 was like, I feel like there's a different version of 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.920 this movie where I would have been like weeping the 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.160 whole time. Though I will say when I saw it 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:53.280 the second time, I actually found it to be incredibly emotional. 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.000 And I think once the pressure of like what does 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:02.080 this movie mean for this industry, for this show, for DC, Like, 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.080 there's so much weighing on this, We've been thinking about 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.680 it for years, the world has. I think my first 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.400 viewing was kind of way down a little bit by 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.120 that and just sort of like is it going to 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.520 do that? But then the second viewing, when I went 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.360 with the kid and I was just like enjoying my 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.400 time at the movie, was like way more. I was 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.720 way more hit by kind of the score and the 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.080 way they used music. And so I think the more 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.560 I watch it, it's definitely going to become like a 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.120 really fun rewatchable for me, which is a big part 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.120 of the movie becoming a comfort movie. Jason, how about you? 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.720 Is there a big win, big lose or is it 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:38.840 kind of in the middle. 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:43.880 I think the big win for me is DC's more 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:51.880 fictional universe with fictional countries, and I think that that 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:57.280 kind of more distanced comic book metaphor works in twenty 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:03.800 twenty five, as evidenced by the most recent Captain America film, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.280 Stepping on a Thousand Rakes. You know, every which way 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.080 it turned to try and figure out how do we 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.640 keep an idf character in here? How do we yeah, 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:17.359 because the president make the president, who's like turning into 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.160 an orange skinned like beast, not. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.520 Yeah, and I mean even like also, I would say 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.840 that we've seen like me and Jason talked about this momentarily, 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.960 but we've seen these kind of cut clips that they 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.720 cut from Brave New World that would have added so 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.560 much gravitas, added so much more impact. But there is 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.320 like that fear because I think of the real world countries, 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:49.680 the real world characters. Whereas obviously we have seen with Superman, 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.360 James Gunn was able to use that to make analogies 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.520 that now people are reading into in a like very 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.960 powerful way and having conversations about. But was able to 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.720 do that because it is a fictional right. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.720 And listen, the worst people in the world are still 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.480 teeing off on this movie, Ben Shapiro, et cetera. But 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:11.120 at least this approach doesn't make it easy for them. 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.800 And this approach doesn't make it so when your corporate 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:20.280 backers flip out, you then have to like scramble scramble 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:21.440 scramble and figure something out. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.760 It's plausible deniability. You don't have to do the cots, 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.040 you know, and it still hits just as hard. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:33.040 You know, the the all the kind of allegories that 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:37.080 are integral to Superman and his mission on Earth are there, 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.760 and they make sense in a world that we live in, 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:48.560 but they're not things with like easily grasped handles that 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.399 let the again the worst intention to people like in 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.119 the world create like clubs out of them to like 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:58.680 beat people over the head with. And we talked about 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.280 this when we talked about the movie. But I do 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:06.520 wonder if this, if DC's approach isn't ascendant right now, 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.399 if I walked away from this movie thinking, wow, that 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.520 was kind of like the superhero movie that I needed 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.840 right now, and it didn't tho any of the punches 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:20.600 thematically message wise, and it presented them in a way 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:25.199 that is true to DC and feels like exactly the 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.119 thing we need right now. What I did, like, you know, 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:33.200 I guess I agree with basically what everybody has said. 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:39.159 I could have used. Gosh, you know, I think in 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:43.520 any movie that has this many characters that have you know, 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.359 you're just gonna feel like somebody is left on the 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.240 cutting room floor always. 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:51.360 I think the. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:55.400 Engineer is obviously the big one. I think there are 0:19:55.440 --> 0:20:00.520 some others, but I think at times it just felt 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:06.199 a little overstuffed. But you know, credit to Gunn for 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:07.520 figuring all that out. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.639 Yeah, yeah, I think it's a fair critique because it's 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.119 one of those things where he wanted to put us 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.440 into a world where we feel like we're jumping into 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:23.399 a comic book, and that has been very much the 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.720 feeling we got from it and the feeling of reading 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.760 that is often that sometimes it's over stuffed. You know. 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.399 I do think it's funny because I think that's an 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:34.639 interesting thing to try to evoke, because you are going 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.359 to go in and be in a situation where certain 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.520 people are gonna not necessarily feel like they understand everything. 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.199 But on a as a general gambit, I think it 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.920 worked so much better than doing an origin or doing 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.960 something slow, and we did end up with this incredible 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.760 ensemble cast who I think, Actually, let's talk about the 0:20:54.840 --> 0:21:11.679 ensemble cast when we come back from a brain when 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.760 we're back to talk about that ensemble cost, Joel lead 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.440 us Off, Let's talk about this cost and its strengths 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:21.520 and what it says about James Gunn's filmmaking. Like, let's 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:22.240 see how it goes. 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:25.439 Okay, so you have to take everything you get at 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:27.200 a press Junkeet with a grain of salt because people 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.120 are here to sell movie tickets and so there. But 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:31.480 what I found un to day Rosie and I were 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:33.080 at the junket at the same time we're tigh and 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:34.879 they had everybody sort of group, so it was like, 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.160 your villains are here, and then here's like the Daily 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.879 Planet folks. When I was talking to the folks of 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:41.880 the Daily Planet, I was like, really struck by how 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.160 close they were as a group. Now, granted they've been 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:45.919 doing press to her for a long time, but they 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.439 say this like started in Georgia when they were shooting 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.840 at a wrestling match, which I was delighted by. And 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:54.879 I think when you talk here James guns Like, folks 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.640 talk about like working with him, it's always like it's 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.520 so fun and he's very encouraging it. And I just 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.120 I think that the casting for this is so great 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.080 that even the characters we don't get a lot of 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:07.760 time with, the like newspaper editor played by Wendell Pierce. 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.520 It's someone I went to have minded spending more time 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:14.600 with understanding James Gunn's layout for the DC universe, which 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.159 is to say, all these characters are going to reappear. 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.280 We've already talked to cast members about how much they're 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.479 going to reappear. I think using people strategically, how much 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.280 time did Window Pierce really have to spend on set? 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:29.119 Maybe three weeks maybe becausn't a lot of time to 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:30.960 go off and do all of the many other projects 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:34.280 he has, you know, cooking. It makes him want to 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.399