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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for Superman currently in theaters. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm rosday Night, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to x Ravay of the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive the bit to your favorite shows, movies, comments, and

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Speaker 1: Episodes every Tuesday and Thursday, plus highlighting the summer's biggest

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Speaker 1: movies every Friday, and news on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we have gathered the Justice Gang and Planetwatch.

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Speaker 2: Depends who's on which side we will see, we'll see

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Speaker 2: it's Superman and the Justice Gang talking Superman and will

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Speaker 2: we talking about why we think the DC universe could

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Speaker 2: head next Well, our super producers thought of the movie

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Speaker 2: and guys, no episode on Thursday, but we will be

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Speaker 2: back on Friday for our newest popcorn pop out, talking

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Speaker 2: about probably the phenomenon of the summer so far K

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Speaker 2: Pop Demon Hunters on Netflix. And then we'll be bringing

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Speaker 2: you some fun and fresh updates from Comic Con and

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it's almost here, guys. But first.

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Speaker 1: Our Superan Roundtable. Let's welcome in the roundtable participants, our

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Speaker 1: super producer crew Joel, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm here for Justice Gang, but I would like us

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Speaker 3: to have a new name.

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Speaker 2: He said, It's not the Justice Gang. Babe.

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Speaker 3: Carmen, good morning.

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Speaker 4: How are you doing well? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Aaron, Aaron, how you do him?

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Speaker 5: I'm so excited to talk about that little men in

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Speaker 5: Black alien guy who was working in the jail in

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Speaker 5: the zero dimension. I can't wait for all of our

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Speaker 5: theories on that character.

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Speaker 2: Bro't don't gus tempt it. You're gonna close.

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Speaker 1: Okay, First, let's Superman. First of all, is a huge hit,

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Speaker 1: a massive hit. We should recognize that.

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Speaker 2: Good job.

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Speaker 1: Good job Superman, Good job, Warner Brothers. Congratulations, David Zaslav,

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Speaker 1: you did it, my guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good job. Guys. We like you did it. You

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Speaker 2: did a good job.

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Speaker 1: Look what are our quick headline reactions to this film?

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Speaker 1: Let's start with you Erin.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was really good. I think I wound

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Speaker 5: up probably like a seven or eight out of ten.

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Speaker 5: I think that this is a really fun movie. I

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Speaker 5: had a great time the whole time. I had some

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Speaker 5: issues with it, small things, but like I walked in

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Speaker 5: not sure what to expect. I was not sold on

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Speaker 5: corn sweat before and I walked out of it saying, like,

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Speaker 5: the casting of this movie incredible and everyone overperformed. Everyone overperformed.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I thought it was very good, seven or

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Speaker 4: Carmen, Yeah, I think the casting was amazing. To Aaron's point,

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Speaker 4: but the first thing I said when the movie was over,

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Speaker 4: and I did Texas to the group chat as well,

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Speaker 4: but I said that I was very proud that Bimbo's

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Speaker 4: we do have some criticisms on that later, but it

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Speaker 4: gave me somebody relate to relate to, and I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 4: I gave it a nine out of ten, and that's

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Speaker 4: because I think largely like my cinema experience played a

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Speaker 4: I was literally looking up at the screen. There were

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Speaker 4: kids in the rows behind me, like every time Crypto

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Speaker 4: and we'll see a Leicester last.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've seen it twice. At the third time, I've

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Speaker 3: seen it twice, I've got tickets to see it at

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Speaker 3: the third time. I love this movie. I believe a

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Speaker 3: man can fly, and I believe superhero movies are gonna

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Speaker 3: keep being around for decades to come. Y'all, we are

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Speaker 3: not going anywhere. There's so much to say about this movie,

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Speaker 3: but for the quickest behind the scenes Warner Brothers has said,

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Speaker 3: to the Bay after after the loss of Joker too,

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Speaker 3: which was people wondering if Warner Bros. Could ever recover

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Speaker 3: as a studio afterwards. To go from that to this

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Speaker 2: Also, I mean, let's be seriously, they released Minecraft this

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Speaker 1: We should also not f one a co pro between

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Speaker 1: Apple Studios and Warner Brothers Warner is distributing Apple Producers,

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Speaker 2: What, Warner is good at those deals because Warner also

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Speaker 2: makes Abbot Elementary that's right, and then we know ABC

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Speaker 2: kind of deals. But yeah, I'm I love that you

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Speaker 2: the other way around, Joelle, what was your one thing

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Speaker 3: I love that Superman and Lois Fuck.

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Speaker 1: A cheesy bathtub.

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Speaker 2: He lifted her up with one mom.

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Speaker 3: Like they do it in that tiny kitchen, and I

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Speaker 2: I also like that she just tells everyone. Everyone will

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Speaker 5: Field, or he only dates people he meets at work.

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Speaker 3: For the internet, these fragile feelings. I don't think that

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's He's met and he met her

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Speaker 3: I was ready to commit amazing uh. Like Coutique, I

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Speaker 2: This movie common how about you So.

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Speaker 4: Something that really worked for me, which at first I

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Speaker 2: I love that he's like a cheeky, badly behaved all.

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Speaker 2: I think that's one of the things that's most fun

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Speaker 2: Like when he's injured at the beginning and Crypto is

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Speaker 4: Well, I think we're all going to have similar criticisms here.

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Speaker 4: But again, for me to kind of piggyback off of

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Speaker 4: what Joelle said, I also thought that the Hinchman Lexus Henchman, Ultraman,

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Speaker 5: Like I said, the casting I think was incredible. Everyone

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Speaker 2: your kind of James Gunn strong, powerful, badass, angry woman.

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00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: And then the other women in the movie with Kat Grunt,

437
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: with Eve, we kind of get this more like bimbo

438
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: kind of thing, but the bimbos here are also you know,

439
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: Eve arguably saves the day. Yeah, So, how did you

440
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: read the kind of women in this movie, because there

441
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 2: were also a lot of them for a superhero movie.

442
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 2: That's another funny thing about this movie.

443
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 4: There were yes, Yes, I loved that. We basically we got,

444
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 4: as you said, those two different archetypes. We get the strong,

445
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 4: like ambitious reporter, a journalist who is going to break

446
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 4: this case. And then we get the unseemingly like genius

447
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 4: bimbo type who has been this whole time, like since

448
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 4: the opening of the movie. We the whole theater erupts

449
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 4: with laughter when you know the fight is happening. Uh,

450
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 4: and she's just there like taking selfies the whole time.

451
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 4: We find out she's been taking selfies of like war

452
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 4: plans and all of this, And I thought.

453
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: That was like such a fun, good twist and both

454
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: sat in the movie. I really enjoyed how it was

455
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: very clear at the beginning that it was a lot

456
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: of men laughing at her, like you would always hear

457
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: it when she was in the background, and as a

458
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: kind of reality of what she is doing is revealed,

459
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: they suddenly find that like a lot less funny, which.

460
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: I pause here really quick because I've talked to a

461
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: lot of people who view this differently. Now I'm with you, ladies.

462
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 3: I was like, Eve is strategically taking photos of herself

463
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: in front of materials that she can leave your set.

464
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: But some folks were like, that was completely coincidental that

465
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: Eve had just been like that had.

466
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: Maybe three times, but not like.

467
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 3: That. She said, this is an intelligent woman, maybe it's

468
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: not like a genius, which I think is okay, Like

469
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: she's like she.

470
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 4: Has emotional and social intelligence.

471
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have to be a genius. Also as well,

472
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: like she's smart enough to know that the men in

473
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: the room do not take her seriously enough. Yet she

474
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: can use her phone, her private phone takes the relationship

475
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: with Jimmy.

476
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 3: That's causing people to have like trouble because she's chasing

477
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: after Jimmy, who I think, if we think in like

478
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: cinematical language, is not someone that is often pictured is

479
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: like desirable, right, and so like they're confused that somebody

480
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: who's quote hot would go after somebody who doesn't think

481
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: much of her. She must I'm telling.

482
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 4: You something I relate to Eve a lot, because I

483
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 4: know exactly what she saw in Jimmy.

484
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, I know exactly. I actually have to say though,

485
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: I actually think so. I did speak to the wonderful

486
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: Sarah Sampio, who played Eve, and I asked her and

487
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I felt because she was with

488
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: like Joel said, she was with the engineer actress Maria

489
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: and she they kind of put them there as the villains.

490
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: And I asked her and I said, well, I think

491
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: that you guys pretty complex characters. I said, what do

492
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: you think drives Eve? And she said, well, it's just

493
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 2: all about security. Like so Lex was security. Lex was

494
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: a rich guy, a nice life, clothes security. But Lex

495
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: then also was a narcissistic guy who puts his women

496
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: in a pocket universe prison his eyes. And also what

497
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: I really loved is the moment he threw something at Eve, which,

498
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: by the way, in the first screening that me and

499
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 2: Joel went to, a man laughed when he threw the pennin.

500
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: Somebody laughed. I was like, cannot, I'm fighting. I love that.

501
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: Eve was like no, I'm not doing that. And then

502
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: it's really funny because to me, it's extremely clear that

503
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: Jimmy represents a different kind of security, which is like, yeah,

504
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: well he has a day to day job. He is

505
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: not like an insane billionaette. He is the safety of

506
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: the normal. I think that what James Gunn did that's

507
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: really funny. Is this kind of play of like Jimmy

508
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: Olsen as the unexpectedly hot guy that everybody has a

509
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: crush on. I think that's a fun game because Sky

510
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: is also charming.

511
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: Can I just put such a sweetheart?

512
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 5: I don't think Jimmy treats her well.

513
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: No no, no, no no no. In her mind compel no, no, no,

514
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 2: no no.

515
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: I did say in my interview that she what she

516
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: found attractive in Jimmy is the fact that he told

517
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: her no, and she often doesn't get told no. And

518
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: here's here's my point. Carmen earlier, like, listen, this is

519
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: a person of intelligence who is smart enough to be like, oh,

520
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: I'll play on your misunderstanding of who I am as

521
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: a person to get information to protect myself. And she

522
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 3: also is going for a guy who has zero interested

523
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: in her. And both things can be true, and both

524
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: can make her for a really interesting character. And I

525
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: love Eve. I would dive for Eve. I think she's

526
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: perfect me too.

527
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: And I also think it's like I think the reason

528
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: that people don't like it is they don't like the

529
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: idea that there are different types of intelligence emotional intelligence.

530
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: They don't they basically don't want to say what they

531
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: think about Eve is like she is a self serving character,

532
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: but it's actually okay to be self serving to protect

533
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: yourself in that situation. And I also think it's an interesting,

534
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: funny kind of play on what we expect from women

535
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: in superho movies, because there were moments where I was like, okay,

536
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: is he like is this too obvious? Like she's bending

537
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: over in front of the Fortress of Solitude and her

538
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: butts in her little tight leggings and I'm like yeah,

539
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: And I was like I was, But then I was like, actually,

540
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: this is what it is like to read a comic book.

541
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: Is like you find those brilliant, cool women who are

542
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: also drawn super cheesecakey and like living in these really

543
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: complicated different situations. So I think in that way, I

544
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 2: I did really enjoy it. I need to know. I

545
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: need to know what Cat Grant has been working on.

546
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: I think this like funny Cat Grant. I want to

547
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: see her more. I want to see what she can do.

548
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: Let's let her be more active in the next one,

549
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: because again, like that is a character in the comics

550
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: who has always done so much. She's owned her own

551
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: media empire and the TV shows she like. I want

552
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: to see Kat using her boob shaking for good. I

553
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: believe she has a promotion.

554
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: For Supergirl is what I'm seeing. I'm hoping we see

555
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: her really step up in.

556
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: The Oh, that's a great call at she didn't consider that.

557
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: What's interesting to me about Miss Tesmaker the twenty twenty

558
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: five version is less like that. I think she's obviously

559
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: quite smart. I think she obviously was taking those pictures

560
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: purposefully to have a chip just in case things went

561
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: bad with Lex and she had some bargaining power to

562
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: get out of there and potentially take revenge. Yeah, I

563
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: think the thing Like I I think Eve is clearly

564
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: very smart. She clearly was being very strategic with the

565
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: evidence she was gathering. I think to me, like the

566
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: the debate about whether she was doing it on purpose

567
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: is like, for me, it misses the point. I think

568
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: what's interesting about Eve is she is this kind of

569
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: character that you know you need in a story like

570
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: this often, and it's the person who has like the

571
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: it's not even like a a crisis of ethics or morals.

572
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: She clearly knows what's loyalties.

573
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: She she knows what's happening is wrong, but she's not

574
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: really gonna do anything about it unless it's bad for

575
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: her exactly, And I think that's interesting and that's interesting, right,

576
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: Like she's waiting until like it's bad for her and

577
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: then she's ready to jump ship. That to me is

578
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: like if you want to criticize even for anything, you

579
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: can criticize her for that, which is basically she's almost

580
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: entirely self serving about her decision to be good, which

581
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: is again like kind of interesting to me. That's there's

582
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: everybody out of everybody else in that control room like

583
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: controlling Ultraman, controlling the Hammer of Borovia, helping Lex do

584
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: like the worst fucking shit imprison dozens. It's not a

585
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: hundreds of people in like extra judicial pocket universes where

586
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: they are tortured like fucking forever and executed by Lex himself,

587
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: like like none of them really is like this is

588
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: fucked up, maybe a little bit, but certainly not enough

589
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: to like do anything about it, and so she's the

590
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: only one who's like, Okay, this is fucked up. I'm

591
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: getting great stuff out of it, and right now it's

592
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: pretty good, but I could see how it could turn

593
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: into a bad situation. So let me just like just

594
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: in case, like gather all this stuff. I think that's

595
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: really to me, that's really interesting, you know. And I

596
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: think that there's a world in which, you know, she's

597
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: all about safety. I think there's a world in which

598
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: you could say that she's probably does she care about

599
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: Jimmy or is she looking for a safe landing spot

600
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: to get out of here? I think either reading is

601
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: interesting to me, you know. And so she's a I

602
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: think she's a much more intentional character than the kind

603
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: of surface level is she dumb or not? Like conversation

604
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: gives her credit for and then the conversation and then

605
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: the things that happened that follow after that once you

606
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: accept that, are are much more interesting because again I

607
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: don't is she a she saves the day, but I

608
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: would argue she does it for like almost entirely selfish reasons,

609
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: which is interesting.

610
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: I think that's also like great because that's how real

611
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: decisions are made at all times, and Lex is the

612
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: opposite end of that, where he is doing all of this,

613
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: like he admits to engineering an international crisis just so

614
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: he can kill Superman. So in her own way, her

615
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: saving the day just so she can escape Lex is

616
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: actually like really interesting.

617
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

618
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: I think that is one of the surprise, breakout interesting

619
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 2: conversations and characters from this movie. And I really really

620
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: hope that we do get the world that is promised.

621
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: And I just think it's funny. Like the second time

622
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: I watched the movie, they have the girls in the

623
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: office be like he's so hot, and you think they're

624
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: talking about Clark, but they're talking about Jimmy And you

625
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: know what. I sometimes there are just weird guys like

626
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: that who every girl finds hot, Like it's just true.

627
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: You know what, boy, Summer guys, what happened?

628
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: You know what it is? It's like kind of like, well,

629
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: Pete Davidson is also tall and funny, so a bit

630
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: of other guys like like the Count and Crows guy.

631
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: What needs to happen is the first hot I don't

632
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: know about woman to break the seal that he hates.

633
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: This air of mystery around the weird guy for the

634
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: rest of them, where everybody else is like, well, I

635
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: wonder what it is. I mean, starts the mistique.

636
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: We know that we know Eve like is one of

637
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: only many girls and Jimmy Olson's phone like, and you.

638
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: Know the other thing is Jimmy. We say that he

639
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: doesn't treat her well. I would slightly push back and

640
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: say that I actually think Jimmy is being pretty upfront

641
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: about his feelings with her. He's making them, He's making

642
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: them as obvious as he can be without being rude

643
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: about it. Right, And whenever, you know, I live in

644
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: a Bravo household, I love I love, I love all

645
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: the blow decks. I'm watching them all the time. And

646
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: when ever there's like some sort of romance happening, like

647
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: on below Deeck of one of these shows below Deck,

648
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: primarily I'll be like, you know what this and you

649
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: can see that the that the the lady involved is

650
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: kind of like losing interest. I would always I'll always

651
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: say to Christina, my wife, I'll be like, you know

652
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Speaker 1: what he needs to do right now is just cut

653
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Speaker 1: it off, is just get interested in somebody else, And

654
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: that okay, And that's kind of that's part of Jimmy's

655
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: things day it's not like he's not chasing her. He's

656
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: not like he doesn't.

657
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: Even see her. Hot is like your girlfriend, and he

658
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: was like she's hot. Okay, I'm like.

659
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Speaker 3: Wuk out of here, Jimmy gay guys. Something I've bend

660
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: really interesting about the conversation we're having right now, and

661
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: something I've noticed as I'm watching other folks have their

662
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Speaker 3: conversations around Superman. It's like, as much as Korinsman does

663
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: the job that he needs to do, and he's great

664
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Speaker 3: for this movie, and we really like Superman, I feel

665
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: like so much the conversation is about everything that happens

666
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: around Superman. And some folks have even said that, you know,

667
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 3: his fight isn't the like he doesn't get the big fight,

668
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: like the best fight for some folks is mister Terrific.

669
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and sure, I think you know.

670
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Speaker 2: I'm not.

671
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to do too much Marvel to DC comparison,

672
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: but I'm really intrigued by this idea of Marvel starts

673
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: their universe with Iron Man, and for all intented purposes,

674
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: RDJ becomes like this cemented grounding force for Marvel going

675
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: forward by starting with korans with Superman nailing the character

676
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: us all loving him, but giving us so much of

677
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: the rest of the world, and understanding that there's a

678
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: long history of supers before we dive into this world.

679
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: I think DC has done something really interesting in that

680
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 3: we could sort of get under all of these characters

681
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: and invested in them in a way that propels I

682
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: think perhaps a longer arc of their universe then what

683
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: Marvel has struggled with, which is like once the main

684
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 3: you know, when Koren's at least, I feel like DC

685
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: is going to be okay. We have so many other

686
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: people to fall back on, you know, without RDJ, and

687
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: without the person was poster replace RDJ our Black Panther.

688
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 3: You know, I do wonder like it's the setup. Does

689
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: it work better for you guys REDC or if not better,

690
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 3: then do you see this as a sustainable way forward

691
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: for them?

692
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 2: I think it's a natural response and a smart response

693
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: because it's basically reverse engineering what MCU did. So instead

694
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 2: of like doomsday, we're like, oh, it's gonna be every cameo.

695
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: How long are they gonna be in it? And there's

696
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: gonna be thirty five cast members. James Gun instead was like, hey, well,

697
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: if you have your thirty five cast members. Here your

698
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: world has already exploded, then we don't get into our

699
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: Avengers replication situation. And then from here, if the movie

700
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Speaker 2: does well, then great. We actually have a ton of

701
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: different people we can follow. And I'm gonna say something,

702
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: I don't think this is the first time James Gunn

703
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Speaker 2: did this. I think the first time James dun did

704
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: this was with The Suicide Squad. But the movie did

705
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: not make enough money for that world to kind of

706
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: build out and explode it the way he wanted, so

707
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: he changed tax he bought the characters he wanted to

708
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: into this world with, like the Frank Rios continuation of

709
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: the Rick Flagg Junior storyline. Oh, Frank rio I'm not

710
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: gonna lie. I love the original so Sid Squad movie,

711
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 2: so I'm very excited to see Rick Flagg Senior hunting

712
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: down Peacemaker, who I believe should be dead for killing

713
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: Rick the Flag Junior. So and I thought his representation

714
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: of this kind of tired cynical, like he knows that

715
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: arresting Superman is a bad idea, but he's also like,

716
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: that's just what we have to do as the government,

717
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: which is something I also feel like is very relevant

718
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: and real right now. And I think that that version

719
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: of this world where it's world built out, we already

720
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: know James Gun can make a TV show that was

721
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: a hit, Peacemaker, Creature Commando's unexpectedly great. I think that

722
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: he is setting up a ripe playground to take from

723
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Speaker 2: in both both movies and TV, with a platform like

724
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Speaker 2: HBO that actually has a massive audience for fantastic TV.

725
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Speaker 2: I think that DC is in a better situation than

726
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: Marvel is when it comes to balancing the TV and

727
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Speaker 2: movies of it all. Aaron, what character if you were

728
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Speaker 2: gonna go from here, would you be most excited to

729
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: see carried On in a different story Superman? Yeah for sure.

730
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Speaker 2: But I love that because that's not, after our conversation,

731
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: not necessarily what you would think, but that I think

732
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Speaker 2: is the strength of what Corn Sweat did here.

733
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So, I think Gun does an incredible job with an

735
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Speaker 5: ensemble cast. He's done it through all the Guardians. He's

736
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Speaker 5: introduced more people to the Guardians. He got to a

737
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Speaker 5: point where at the end of Guardians three, I was like,

738
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Speaker 5: I want to watch this new set of Guardians with

739
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 5: the little Kid and Big Groot and everything yeah, I don't.

740
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Speaker 5: As much as I love all the cast of characters

741
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Speaker 5: in this and I think there's I do think mister

742
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Speaker 5: Shrift as the most exciting fight scene, even if it

743
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Speaker 5: might be a little bit of recycled assets from yon

744
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: DU's Arrow, you know, going in there like but you know,

745
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 5: I don't.

746
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Speaker 2: And the kids that I saw it with loved that

747
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: and they thought it was Oh I loved it, but

748
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 2: also that was like, to them, felt like an intentional homage,

749
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: and they're almost getting that feeling, you know, being eleven,

750
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: but they're going, oh, that's like Yondu's Arrow and then

751
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 2: and it feels really similar. And they're kind of getting

752
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 2: to have that critical reading of cinema that we all

753
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 2: love to have as kids, and they're getting to put

754
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: that on there, which I think is another thing that's

755
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: that's pretty cool. But yeah, you're right, Like.

756
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Speaker 5: I do think we'll talk about this more with the

757
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 5: future of DC and where the movies will go. I'm

758
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 5: not sure if anything from this movie jumped out at

759
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 5: me of like I cannot wait for a movie starring

760
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Speaker 5: this person, but I'm excited to see this group. I'm

761
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Speaker 5: excited to see the Justice Gang now with Metamorpho, go

762
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 5: tackle something. But I don't want a Metamorpho solo movie.

763
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 5: I don't want a Metamorpho TV show. I don't want,

764
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 5: you know, like I don't want to play my cards

765
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 5: too early here. But the fact that they're talking about

766
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 5: a Jimmy Olsen TV series to me is very concerning.

767
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 5: But we can talk about that later.

768
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: Daily Planet, how it's spent so much time in there.

769
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: I will love see Lois do an investigation, love that

770
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Speaker 3: whole cast.

771
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: Let's go to a quick break and then talk about

772
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: exactly that, because I do think I will make the

773
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: argument for why I think a Jimmy Olsen's show is good.

774
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: But yes, let's go, and then let's come back.

775
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: And we're back.

776
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Speaker 2: We're back, and we're back.

777
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Speaker 3: I want to wait.

778
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Speaker 1: I want to quickly say something about like the Superman,

779
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: I think that DC and Marvel in their movie properties

780
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: are there's an important structural difference we mentioned like starting

781
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: with Iron Man and launching it from there, there are

782
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: I think by launching with characters that air quotes nobody

783
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: really cared about, which is true like on the larger

784
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: cultural sense rights, Yeah, Marvel created this framework that allowed

785
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: for their tremendous success and was based in the success

786
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: of those individual characters and Marvel's ability to present them

787
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: in exciting and winning such situations like the Guardians of

788
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: the Galaxy, another team that nobody gives it about.

789
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Speaker 2: Definitely not DC.

790
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: It's different like Superman. We talked about Superman kind of

791
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: being like, you don't notice how great he is and

792
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: all these other things pop out and he doesn't get

793
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: the best fight. That's because to me, Superman is like

794
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's like Miles McClue in the medium is

795
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: the message. Superman is the medium. He's the world in

796
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: which these characters operate.

797
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: Every if you talk relative to him.

798
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: If you if you're talking about DC, it's no disrespect

799
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: to the incredible stable of characters in DC. It's Superman, Batman,

800
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman, and then you can kind of like I

801
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: guess Green Lantern.

802
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: And it depends on ye and when it is it

803
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: really depends. Long time it was Halloquinn was the fourth PID.

804
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: It's those three, and if you nail those three, it

805
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: allows all these other interesting characters to work. And if

806
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: you nail those three kind of by design, you lose

807
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 1: sight of like how important of a Lynchpin. Those three

808
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: are to their worlds like Superman. You just once in

809
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: the first five minutes of the movie, once I bought that, Like, Okay,

810
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: Corn Sweat fucking nailed it. He's Superman, He's Clark k Comby.

811
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Speaker 1: Now I'm paying attention to all this other stuff because

812
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, huge relief, Corn Sweat is Superman.

813
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: I don't need to worry about it anymore. And now

814
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to pay attention to every thing else. And

815
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: I think that's different from the way that Marvel is

816
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: set up. And maybe and maybe it's you know it

817
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: was if they keep nailing these characterizations as they did

818
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: with Superman, it really might be DC's turn to rule.

819
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: So then the follow up question is if Corn Sweat

820
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 3: is a great Superman and Robinson is a great Batman, oh,

821
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: do we say a world where these two couldna beat

822
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: each other? Superman and Batman can get it.

823
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: Wal I think because of how stylized and colorful and

824
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: influenced by the comics this world was, I think that

825
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: there is a world where I absolutely would believe that

826
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: this is Metropolis and that dark, ass depressing world the

827
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: Patson in is that same Gotham like in the same

828
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: world I think it was. I think there's gonna have

829
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: to be massive stylistic differences. They're gonna have Guy Gardner

830
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: Green Lantern played by Nathan Fillyon, and I love the

831
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: representation of the character. They're going to have him in

832
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: that true detective Dark Dreary, HBO Max, you know, serious

833
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 2: prestige TV show, And that doesn't seem like right now,

834
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense, But I don't have

835
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: any worry that they're not going to be able to

836
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Speaker 2: pull that off.

837
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Speaker 1: You hear this a lot, Like I've heard a lot

838
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: of people say, well, I don't know how you would

839
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: do it. I don't think you could have that Batman

840
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: in this Superman world. And I agree that, like the

841
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: contrast would be immense, but I kind of think that's

842
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: what would make it interesting.

843
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: So cool.

844
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think like, obviously it would not be easy,

845
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: but Superman wasn't easy, and.

846
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: James it was the hoddest movie he ever made in

847
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: his life.

848
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Speaker 1: It's only the masterful way that they pulled it off

849
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: that makes it look easy. And so I think that

850
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: there's absolutely a world in which Robert Pattinson's Batman that

851
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: tone can exist in the same movie as Corn sweat

852
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: Superman with that tone, I think there's absolutely a world

853
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: where that could help.

854
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: Can I tell you what the lynchpin is. It's Pattinson.

855
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 3: He's got the range. He understands he understands comedy so well,

856
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: but he also understands drama so well, and we've seen

857
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: him flip back and forth within different space. I mean,

858
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 3: you look at Batman specifically, and while we're not getting

859
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 3: the sort of like golly gee of it all, it

860
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 3: doesn't matter because Batman is never gonna hit a golly

861
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Speaker 3: g Yeah. Ever, like the whole point is that they're

862
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 3: complete opposites of one another. I think it works really

863
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: really well potentially.

864
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Speaker 2: I kind of love the idea that the map of

865
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: James Gun's DC world is like the map of the

866
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Speaker 2: comics where you're trying to work out, like really where

867
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: they are, so like they say Metropolis is actually Delaware

868
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: and that Gotham is actually New Jersey, like if you

869
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: put them on a map, And it's really funny because

870
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: we all know culturally those are not the connotations we make.

871
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: But I kind of love the idea. It's like, why

872
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: didn't Batman come and help Superman? With this. Have you

873
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: watched The Batman? That man is just fighting NonStop serial

874
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: killers and it flooded. But also like and we can't see,

875
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: we can see why Superman is too busy to go

876
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: to that world. I think it would work, and I

877
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: think eventually I've heard that, you know, Matt Reeves he

878
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: finished that script. I think all those interviews with James

879
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: Gunn being like Matt Reeves is slow as probably exactly

880
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: the if somebody called me slow in a Rolling Stone interview,

881
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: I would also probably quickly send them a draft and

882
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: be like, I've finished. Definitely was going to send you

883
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: this anyway. But like, I think it's a timing thing.

884
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: I think it would make sense, And I also think

885
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: the best thing is like we have time to see

886
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: where this is gonna go. I mean, they're doing a

887
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: clay Face movie that's written by Mike Flanagan that my

888
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: understanding is probably not even gonna be set at the

889
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: same timeline in the same like time era as this.

890
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 2: We have three hundred years of history. There's so many

891
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: different ways that they could do it, and I just

892
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: really hope that they keep taking big, ambitious swings, because

893
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 2: I think that is the thing where even to me

894
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: on like a Rosi's you know, I never I don't

895
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: really grade stuff on a curve because I think Parasite

896
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: is a five star movie. But I also think, like

897
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: you know, some lifetime movie I watch as a five

898
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: style movie. Like I don't grade things relatively because I

899
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: find that really impossible. But like I do believe that

900
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: even though this is like a movie that maybe I

901
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: thought was like a seven out of ten, objectively, I

902
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: think it is so intricate and interesting and full of

903
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: so many interesting ideas that it is a launchpad for

904
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: something that is really exciting and something else. Guys, I'll

905
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: tell you the people, the humans, they are excited to

906
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: see the Superman, Like this is not having the you know,

907
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 2: when Batman came out, which by the way, made tons

908
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: of money, let's just remember that, and also had a

909
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: fantastic romance at the center, which I think is very

910
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: interesting compara with this, because it's a romance that's based

911
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: on a lack of honesty and like a kind of

912
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: deception and a need to hide who they are. But

913
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: obviously Lewis and Clark is all about honesty, and I

914
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: think that's really interesting. But also, like that movie, so

915
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: much of the conversation was like can a kid watched this?

916
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: Like it's too scary? There's murders, like does where does

917
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 2: this fit in? Superman doesn't have any of those questions

918
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: around it. Everyone's just like cool, Yeah, James, James Gunn's

919
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: made this like it was almost I almost feel like

920
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: he said it was the hardest movie he's ever made.

921
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: But in a way it's it's also like a really

922
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: simple It seems simple as a launch pad, like hey,

923
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: here's a story about Superman just punching his way through

924
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: a fight, but it has these threads. I mean, dude,

925
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: when I interviewed Wendell Pisse, who is you know, plays

926
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: Perry White, who is an icon, he was giving me

927
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: the deepest answers about like journalism and the things he

928
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: learned on the wire, about that he brought to Perry

929
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: and that he's going to get to explore as Perry.

930
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: You don't lie to Wendle Pierce about that, you know,

931
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 2: James Gun's not there hyping him up, going like, yeah,

932
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 2: you're going to be able to do it. No, even

933
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: though we've learned that with Eddie. He was treated like

934
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: that by Fox when they were making the X Men

935
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 2: movies and was basically told, don't worry, Darwin's gonna come back.

936
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: You're going to get to do it. I don't feel

937
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: like James Gun's done that here. I feel like he's

938
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: built a community and a cinematic kind of experience that

939
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: is getting people excited. And now hopefully we will get

940
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: to see that kind of spread out and get wider

941
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: and encompass more storytelling, encompass different kinds of people, different

942
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: kinds of stories. And I just I feel like, unless

943
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: something really surprising happens, I feel like Superman maybe is

944
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: going to be the bigger hit than Fantastic For. And

945
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: that's kind of the crazy thing to me.

946
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 5: Oh, I think it is setting itself up for sure

947
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 5: to be bigger than Fantastic For.

948
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: I know, but that seems crazy. It's a crazy It's

949
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: really just yeah, dude, You've got to understand. Superman movies,

950
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 2: when you actually look back at them, have not really

951
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: been that financially successful, especially over the last like twenty

952
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: five years. Superman is a cultural icon and a cultural symbol,

953
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: but not necessarily a big seller in comic shops, not

954
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: always like making like think about Superman returns from two

955
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 2: thousand and six. Everything from then on has been very

956
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: controversial in the Superman landscape, whereas Fantastic Four, those movies

957
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: made a lot of money the original tim Story movies,

958
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: but not just that, they have gained a nostalgia around them.

959
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: And another one of the things about the Fantastic Four

960
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: is this is a project that people have been waiting

961
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: for the MCU to adapt for like twenty years, Like

962
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: since they first started. They have said when will they

963
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: get those rights back? So the fact that a Superman

964
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: movie is potentially going to upend the Fantastic Four with

965
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: a cast like that, with the MCU putting Matt Schackman

966
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: on it, who did One Division, which was one of

967
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: their biggest successes, with it coming at a time when

968
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: the MCU basically needs to reset, I think it will

969
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: be an upset if Superman ends up making more money

970
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 2: than the Fantastic Four.

971
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I don't know. I'm not sure.

972
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: Let's go to a quick.

973
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: And we're back.

974
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 2: We're back. Let's talk about what it means for the

975
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: future of DC. Jason, what are you most excited to

976
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 2: kind of see coming out of this. We haven't even

977
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,479
Speaker 2: talked about the teas of Supergirl. Supergirl is our next

978
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: movie coming out in less than a year. Now, got

979
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: clay Face coming out next year. Allegedly. Two Peacemaker is

980
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: confirmed for this year. Then we've got Lantern's next year.

981
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 2: Other than that those four projects, nothing else is confirmed though,

982
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: which I think is an interesting space to be in.

983
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: But I guess you're most excited.

984
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: The Brave and the Bowl and whatever that is actually

985
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: going to be because because that's the big that's the

986
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: second part of the trinity that must appear, right, Batman

987
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: must appear at some point. Is it going to be

988
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: a Brave in the Bold story with Batman and Robin?

989
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 1: Is it going to be starring Robert Pattinson or another actor?

990
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: I think all of those things are on the table,

991
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: and to me, that is hugely consequential. Like that, it's massive.

992
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what that movie is and

993
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: if it is as previously reported.

994
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: Joelle, how about you.

995
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: There's a movie called Dynamic Duo coming up animated.

996
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: It looks so good. It looks like.

997
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah and animation. So they're mixing both. They're stop animations

998
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: and it's interesting because it's it's puppetry, but it's like

999
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 3: a mechanic puppetry, so like the they're like running, like, wait,

1000
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 3: what's happening? Uh. You could see some of the teasers

1001
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 3: they've dropped online for that. That looks really good. And

1002
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: that's a Dick Grayson and Robin Damian Wayne story I believe,

1003
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 3: which is really it's a Jason Todter is a Damian

1004
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 3: Let me sure, sorry, it's Jason Todd. Yeah. So it's

1005
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: Jason Todd and Dick Grayson, which is one of my

1006
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 3: favorite combos, uh for those heroes. And I just think

1007
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 3: it looks really good. It's fun. I think it's really

1008
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 3: important that they get animation right, especially if we consider

1009
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 3: what Sony's doing with the Spider Verse and how influential

1010
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 3: those movies have been. And Sony's on a continue run

1011
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 3: with the K Pop Demon Hunters. I think they're teaming inja.

1012
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 3: Turtles movie is one of the best animated films I've seen.

1013
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 3: Yeah years, I love it. Uh, And so it's and

1014
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 3: Warner Bros. Used to be the king of like animated

1015
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: superhero stuff, like they couldn't miss for years, and then

1016
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: it's took a sharp, horrific turn left and I can't

1017
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 3: even watch most of their animated films now.

1018
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: And this is going to be a cinema released too,

1019
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: rather than a straight.

1020
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I think is a part So

1021
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm really hyped for that. But if we're talking live action,

1022
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 3: bring me those Lantern court right now. Rosie and I

1023
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 3: have already been contemplating if you are a fan of

1024
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 3: the Justice League animated series like we are, Hawt Girl

1025
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 3: has a relationship with John j Yeah, John Stewart screen

1026
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: lantern and it's so hot and so fun and.

1027
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: Setting up with having Aaron Pierre and obviously Isabella calm on.

1028
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 2: What are you most excited about?

1029
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 4: Well, this movie had a lot of hints to punk

1030
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 4: rock in it, and I was really excited about the

1031
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 4: the hints throughout and then of course the reveal at

1032
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 4: the end that Crypto is in fact super uh Supergirls

1033
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 4: Dog and I'm excited to see where that goes because

1034
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 4: I think that'll be e and more punk rock and

1035
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 4: even more just like amping it up in that direction.

1036
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,439
Speaker 4: And I want more Crypto because that was really fun

1037
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 4: and cute, So more.

1038
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: Of that big Crypto fan. Aaron, how about you, what

1039
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 2: do you come out of this looking for?

1040
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 4: All?

1041
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 5: Right? Maybe looking forward to is the wrong word.

1042
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: But I'm most curious about Clayface.

1043
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 5: Yea interesting, but I'm curious about it because James Gunn

1044
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 5: has so far released Creature Commandos, Peacemaker, He's working on

1045
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 5: Peacemaker season two. He did Superman and then he's gonna

1046
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 5: do Supergirl. Clayface, is he fucking around too much? Like he?

1047
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no no. Do you mean like character wise?

1048
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 3: No?

1049
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 5: I just mean like in general for the universe, like

1050
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 5: as Jason is saying, you have the three Pillars of PC, Superman, Batman,

1051
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 5: and Wonder Woman. I know he's got the Paradise Lost

1052
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 5: TV show, but that is in development.

1053
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: In production right struggles.

1054
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 5: So like, are we really just go I loved Guardians

1055
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 5: of the Galaxy. He also didn't establish anyone necessarily beyond

1056
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 5: the Guardians within Marvel Cannon. So the fact that he,

1057
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 5: you know, has the authority swamp thing clay Face, like,

1058
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,479
Speaker 5: are we too obtuse with our.

1059
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 2: Choices early on?

1060
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 4: Here?

1061
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 5: Is what I worry about that.

1062
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: And I think it's a.

1063
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 2: Good I think it's a good question. But I also

1064
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: would say I think, like the Snyder era proved that

1065
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: you can have three, you can have the trinity. But

1066
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: if you don't people don't connect with them. That won't

1067
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: bring people. So I think that you know, corn sweats

1068
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: so good. I think you could do something like you

1069
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: know super Girl, who at times they've tried to bring

1070
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 2: into a kind of new trinity, right, so you have

1071
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: that next year, do something weird like Clayface, and then

1072
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: I would hope you're starting to think about braving the

1073
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: bold Batman. Wonder Woman I think is going to be

1074
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: a longer, more complicated process. But we did get reporting

1075
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: recently that Gun and Saffran did kill off a third

1076
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: Galgado Wonder Woman film, so there's definitely movie those children.

1077
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: I think I am like most excited. Something I loved

1078
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: about the something I loved about The Suicide Squad, which

1079
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 2: really made me re visit James Gun's movies, was just

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Speaker 2: I thought the kind of anti imperialists like politics the

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Speaker 2: seventies thriller vibes where he wasn't afraid to question the US.

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Speaker 2: And I am seeing this movie and I'm not seeing

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Speaker 2: any real American tanks in it, which means they probably

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Speaker 2: did not have to pay the military.

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Speaker 3: To make the police officers either a police.

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Speaker 2: Officers either lots of firemen. I I think that this

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Speaker 2: movie again is James Gunn saying, Hey, maybe the US

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Speaker 2: is the bad guys. Maybe we should consider what we're

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Speaker 2: doing in a really way that feels incredible, timely and important.

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Speaker 2: And I am excited that we might be in a

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Speaker 2: superhero world where the politics of the heroes may align

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Speaker 2: more with like the politics of the audience, rather than

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Speaker 2: the Ultimate inspired MCU world that was always very heavily

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Speaker 2: built in military tech, built on the idea of in

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Speaker 2: the background of the post nine to eleven world, the

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Speaker 2: Iraq war, Tony Stark. You know, I am interested to

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Speaker 2: see Superman and see a hero who's like I am

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Speaker 2: just representing myself doing good. But I also love that

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Speaker 2: he has people around him making him have the hard conversations,

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Speaker 2: you know. And I think I was very moved by

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Speaker 2: the Suicide Squad, and I on my second watch, I

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Speaker 2: was very moved by this movie. And I'm excited to

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Speaker 2: see that spread because Mike Flanagan incredibly emotionally intelligent, interesting person.

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Speaker 2: Anna Nagero, who's writing the Supergirl movie, really interesting credits,

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Speaker 2: really interesting take. Also that Supergirl movie. The comic is

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Speaker 2: very bleak but very beautifully illustrated by Bill quis everly, So,

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Speaker 2: I think there's just so many tonally interesting and politically

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Speaker 2: resonant things that we can get back to that we

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Speaker 2: haven't necessarily had in the superho movies of both the

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Speaker 2: DC or MCU honestly in general. So that's kind of

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Speaker 2: I think what I'm what I'm most looking forward to.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, folks, thanks for joining us. I'm eager one

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Speaker 1: of these days, in one of these upcoming roundtables, to

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Speaker 1: talk about our favorite double dipping actors. Who are the

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Speaker 1: actors who have played characters in both universes?

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Speaker 2: I want to know, Let's do it. Let's do it

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Speaker 2: in DC also as well, that's what we've got to do.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about the double dippers. Let's also talk about

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Speaker 2: who has been the most superhero Character's almost comment. There's

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Speaker 2: also because there's also triple dippers.

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Speaker 1: There's triple divers if we count Star Wars, and quadruple

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Speaker 1: dippers if we count Star Trek.

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Speaker 2: So let's just red we're going to do about that.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on X Rayvision, We're diving into more summer movies,

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Speaker 1: more news, and of course the Fantastic for that's not

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Speaker 1: for this episode. Thanks everyone, Bye bye x ray Vision

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Speaker 1: is hosted by Jason Scepcion and Rosie Knight and is

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wack.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 2: Heidi Our disc called Moderate Them