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Yeah, and today we're talking 21 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: about gate keeping and content creators and just breaking down 22 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: the way that we've seen gate keeping this term either 23 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: being used or misused online. There's a lot of miss 24 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: used and inappropriately used terminology on the Internet, especially in 25 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: like discursive spaces. I think notably to that we see 26 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: pop up a lot in like weird ways is gaslighting, 27 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: and then of course gatekeeping. And it's funny that these 28 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: are part of that gaslike gatekeep, girl Boss trifect them, 29 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: and maybe there's something deeper to that with the way 30 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: that these terms are being applied like to a lot 31 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: of like young content creators and influencers for things that 32 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: I don't think are actually gatekeeping, right, but like the 33 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: word is like thrown around like heavily. So we're going 34 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: to kind of like examine how and why. Yeah, so 35 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: first off, let's define what gatekeeping is. Let's do it. So, 36 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: gatekeeping is the activity of controlling and usually limiting general 37 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: access to something basic, straightforward, not granting access to someone 38 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: or something. And we're going to dive into some classic 39 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: gatekeeping examples in a bit, but first we wanted to 40 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: talk about how it's being used. And I've personally seen 41 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: like on TikTok Instagram, you know, influencers, content creators saying 42 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: things like, okay, vestis, I'm not gate keeping this. I 43 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: want y'all to know. Yeah, okay, y'all, I'm not gate 44 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: keeping that because dad, where I bought this thing? Right? 45 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: Is usually what it is, and it's linked with like 46 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: consuming something, a product, a hack. I'm no longer gate 47 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: keeping this. I'm no longer limiting the rest of the 48 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: Internet from knowing about this one item, this hack, this product. 49 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: I've seen it use a lot in like fashion, beauty 50 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: tons outfits like outfit of the day. Well no, people 51 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: don't do outfit of the days anymore, but like get 52 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: ready with me type content right truly that I've noticed 53 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: the same thing and the same types of tiktoks and 54 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: stuff on Twitter too, because now everything gets reposted to Twitter. 55 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 1: Oh I hate when people when the girls gate keep 56 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: where they got their outfits, like, don't be a gatekeeper, Like, oh, 57 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: don't gate keep where do you buy that? And it's 58 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: like I tweeted about this, but if the item is 59 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: mass produced and sold in stores and online. It's impossible 60 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: to gate keep that from anybody, right, why don't you 61 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Why doesn't Why don't you go shopping? It's called shopping. 62 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: You can go find the item, it's everywhere, you could 63 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: order it, you could try it on in stores. Yeah, 64 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: it's just odd to me, especially because I feel like 65 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: there's this like pressure for people to be walking commercials 66 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: for brands and stores and like do constant reviews. And 67 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: if that's your beat and that's your you're making money 68 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: that way, if that's your job, if you have an 69 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: affiliate code, if you are sending in your engagement analytics 70 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: to a brand because your stuff is sponsored, great, perfect, beautiful. 71 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: But it's like it's almost like this demand that people 72 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: do that work, whether or not they're getting paid to 73 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: do it, because review products and be commercials. It's not 74 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: the branded content because obviously like you're gonna tell, you're 75 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: going to tell the followers or your digital community, like 76 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: where something's from, because it's branded sponsored, where to buy it. 77 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: But if it's like just a regular, regular post where 78 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: you're wearing something and you're not sharing the details, like 79 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: that's not gate keeping something. No, Like how can I 80 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: gate keep my outfit from you. Yeah, that doesn't even 81 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: make sense. I saw once. This was years ago now, 82 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: But this roller skater that I follow with a big, 83 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: big following, she was skating at like different tennis courts 84 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: and places, and there were folks kind of not kind of, 85 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: but like very much in her comments like, oh, so 86 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: and so is gate keeping skate locations, gate keeping skate locations, 87 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: and that's not cool. And this girl, this skate influencer, 88 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: ended up posting like an explanation and she shouldn't have 89 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: to do that, right, she's like a a woman by herself, 90 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: filming herself. That was the first thing I thought of. 91 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: Should never have to disclose where they are ever, it's 92 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: a safety thing. And it was wild that so many 93 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: people were in her comments like demanding that she share 94 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: where she skates again by herself. Right, a lot of 95 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: skaters skate alone. That can be a safety thing, right, 96 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: And so she had to kind of explain to people 97 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: that safety element. But then I'm also thinking about it 98 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: and it's like she's at a public park. How no 99 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: one can gate keep a public park. It's literally a 100 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: public resource, public use. Anyone can go find a public park. 101 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: Anyone can go find a tennis court. Anyone can go 102 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: find some pavement. Like it was just very strange, you know. 103 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean I think there's like real ways like where 104 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: people like don't want to share where they get things 105 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: because they're just being rude or like, you know, like 106 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: but that's not gate keeping. For example, it's like if 107 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: you have like an indie designer friend and you're trying 108 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: to support them, but you're also like not telling anyone, right, See, 109 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: that's like that's some different shit. That's not gate keeping. 110 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: That's like you being like a little greedy person that 111 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: wants to be the only one with something. You know, 112 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: Like that's not gate keeping. Yeah, you know, because there's 113 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: also this opposite effect where oh, something blows up online 114 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: a business, a product, a band, a band, and now 115 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: it's more expensive, harder to get to, right, it's not 116 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: indie or underground anymore, and then folks obviously will get 117 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: upset about that. I like this better when less people 118 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: knew about it. Now there's a line around the block. 119 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: Now it's sold out, Now it's at Target. Now it's expensive. 120 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: So it's like sometimes there's that protective element like I 121 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: want this thing to stay accessible to me. You know. Well, 122 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: also there's you know, I read this Bustle article they 123 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: examined like TikTok and people using this word gate keeping, 124 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: and they also talk about in this article by Courtney Young, 125 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: the title is what is gate keeping me on TikTok? 126 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: The viral term explained. And so she also like raises 127 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: the point of like sometimes things aren't being gate kept, 128 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: Like you're not gate keeping something when you're talking about 129 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: marginalized community. Sometimes you're just preserving your culture. There you go, 130 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: and so like not everyone is entitled to this information. 131 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: That's like a cultural knowledge share, you know, like if 132 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: you're thinking, she uses the example of like black beauty, 133 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: a black hair care and like Indian women and they're 134 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: like skin care and hair care and all these different things, 135 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, people are demanding that they know 136 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: that they share. What is this? Well, some things are 137 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: meant to be shared for the wide audience, like some 138 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: things that need to be culturally preserved within a community. 139 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: And that's not gate keeping either, No, right, it's self 140 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: it's preservation exactly. Like, yeah, not everything is for you. 141 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: I think that's a hard pill for some people to swallow. 142 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: Is actually, don't touch that it's not for you. Actually, 143 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: the world is not your oyster. Actually that's a lie. Actually, 144 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: like stay in your lane sometimes, you know what I mean. Yeah, 145 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: it's very strange. It's like I think it puts a 146 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: lot of responsibility on individual people who don't really have 147 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: that much power over you and your access to things, 148 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: Like an individual content creator can't stop you from doing 149 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: anything at all. Nothing really like what you know, And 150 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: this is why we wanted to kind of give also 151 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: an example of what we understand gatekeeping to be. It's 152 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: very structural, it's very institutional. Gatekeeping historically is talking about 153 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: things like oh literally housing and segregation and redlining and 154 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: college admissions. You know, like that is gatekeeping keeping large 155 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: groups of people out and away from resource ursus and 156 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: opportunities like employment, like jobs, what have you. You know, 157 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: gender based discrimination. There was a time where women could 158 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: not enter universities. That is gatekeeping, right, I mean thinking 159 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: of Title nine celebrating their fiftieth anniversary this past twenty 160 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: twenty two, like that. Again, it was like to protect 161 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: women in sports, women in college settings like girl young 162 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: girls as well. Again like that example, like that's actual gatekeeping, 163 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: that's for real gatekeeping. I would say that if there's 164 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: any gatekeeping going on on TikTok. It's like the algorithm 165 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: does a type of gatekeeping when white creators their stuff 166 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: is getting put at the top of the algorithm and 167 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: pushed out and shared, and then you see a big 168 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: difference in engagement with black creators, with darker skin creators. 169 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: What have you. Like, the app is engaging in a 170 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: type of gate keeping. There's also a disparities and inequities, right, 171 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: that is another form of gate keeping. You're holding a 172 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: resource to a specific group of people. But me not 173 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: telling you where I got my thrifted item from my 174 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: local thrift is not gate keeping, right, you know what 175 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean, It's just not Yeah, And to be honest, 176 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: like my partner buys me a lot of clothes and 177 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: it's all thrifted. So like if you were to ask 178 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: me where it was from, I would have to say 179 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: the thrift and that I didn't even buy it myself, 180 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: my partner did. Sorry, Like you know, not that anyone 181 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: has ever told accused me of gate keeping clothes, but 182 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: like just using that example still, it's like, you know, 183 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: also if it's a you bought it at a thrift 184 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: store like that was not mass produced, so you probably 185 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: can't get it, but I can tell you where the 186 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: thrift store is, and you know, maybe if I want 187 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: to want to tell you. But yeah, I mean, I 188 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: think those are like great examples of you know, redlining 189 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: college admissions. Credit scores weren't created until the nineteen eighties. 190 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: There was can you believe it, There was a time 191 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: before credit scores, and credit scores can like really limit 192 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: your opportunities for housing, Like if you have a poor 193 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: credit score, that limits your access to housing, getting a car, 194 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: getting a loan from the bank, a personal loan, a 195 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: private loan, home loan, a business loan, all of that 196 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: major implications student loans, like big gatekeeper, the border and 197 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: the border patrol, Like this is what we think of. 198 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: So then the way that it's being used now has 199 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: not always been used that way, and that's why we're 200 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: talking about it, and that's why these journalists are writing 201 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: about it, because it's being used in strange ways. Yeah, yeah, 202 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I think there's also a correlation with that. 203 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: And we saw a couple of TikTok's being shared to Twitter, 204 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: and they were like like montages of different young women 205 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: who do like online boutique like clothing halls or they're 206 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: like selling clothes from these different online boutiques, and they 207 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: seem to be like young like British UK area like 208 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: influencers who are like selling these clothes. This is all 209 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: fast fashion. These are different versions of Sheen all these 210 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: like online boutiques, right, And people are asking these girls, 211 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: where's the stuff made, what's it made out of? Where's 212 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: the stuff made, and like you know, wanting like accountability 213 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: from the girls, from the content creators, but the girls 214 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: don't know where anything is made. This is like a conglomerate. 215 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: This is like, yeah, produced in a sweatshop somewhere, and 216 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: this is how they're paying their bills. And so I 217 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I think like we apply a 218 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: lot of responsibility to these like young people, young content creators, 219 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: who ultimately don't have the power to gate keep things 220 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: from you and also like are just trying to pay 221 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: their own bills and are not responsible for the means 222 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: of production, you know, Like, but we're applying a certain 223 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: amount of because they're the face we see them, you know, 224 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: and so there it's very easy to like apply that 225 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: pressure and responsibility. So there's just like this odd thing happening. Yeah, 226 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: with all of this, Yeah, I mean I do think 227 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: that like it would like people should stop working with 228 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: Sheen and like that those types. Like I do think 229 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: that there is like an individual responsibility if you are 230 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: going to be a content creator to like there have 231 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: now been cases of like you know, human rights violations, 232 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: labor violations like at Thechene factories, and so to pretend 233 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: that that's not real or not happening or existing, I 234 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: think is wrong. But I also agree that because you know, 235 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: these companies like are not public facing, like Machine for example, right, 236 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: you don't know who owns it or you don't have 237 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: access literal access because they're probably they're they're millionaires, billionaires. 238 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: So you're as you're trying to hold the influencers accountable 239 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: for something that they don't control. Can they control partnering 240 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: with them? Yes? Can they control what they do in 241 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: their factories? No, totally totally. And it's one of those 242 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: things where like if you build it, they will come right. 243 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: So like fashion Nova had a huge had its heyday, 244 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: Sheen is having its heyday. There's always going to be 245 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: a new brandy you know that pops up. And with that, 246 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: like always a new wave of like young people like 247 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: in breaking in to the content creation and influencer space. 248 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: And so it's this constant cycle, you know, because maybe 249 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: a group will age out of that type of content creation, 250 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: but there's always a new crop coming in, you know, 251 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: and brands know that, and a new platform at Visa 252 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: v like TikTok and a brand new platform. It was Instagram, right, 253 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: it was the I think, like when I think of 254 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: fashion Nova, I think of Instagram, and when I think 255 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: of Sheen, I think of TikTok, fashion Nova ig girls. Yeah, 256 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: I g batting was like the fashion Nova girl. Yeah, 257 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: and now it's Sheen halls and people were not doing 258 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: halls necessarily on Instagram. No. I think that was like 259 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: more of a YouTube. I remember being a YouTube things 260 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: like a hall, but people are doing it on TikTok. 261 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: And you just shared something about like before we started 262 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: recording about kids and unboxings, right Christmas. Yeah. So I'm 263 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: reading in one of my classes. I'm reading Trick Mirror 264 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: by Gia Tolentino. She's a New York magazine writer, and 265 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: she has this interesting chapter in her book about the 266 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: eye and Internet. It's very meta. It was a lot 267 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: to process because I'm very much online, right, and it's 268 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: very much about you're always performing, even if you're online 269 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: or in real life. Your your life is a performance essentially, 270 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: and so it's a really good chapter, very good book. 271 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: But what came from the discussion in my class was 272 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: one of my classmates was saying that young kids, like toddlers, 273 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: five year olds, you know, watch these unboxing videos, so 274 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: that when they're unboxing or literally just opening a present, 275 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: opening a birthday present, a Christmas present, they start narrating 276 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: what they're doing because they're so used to watching the 277 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: unboxing videos. So even though they don't have their own platform, right, 278 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: they're not on TikTok, they're five, they're literally narrating what 279 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: they're doing wild. And so it's this very interesting concept 280 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: or phenomenon where we're like speaking the way we do online, 281 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: but in real life, in our day to day it's 282 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: like changed the script of just everyday interactions, Like it's 283 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: given us a script like this is how we talk 284 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: now when we're doing this thing. Yeah, our brains have 285 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: quite literally being or being rewired. And something that I 286 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: said when in this class someone had said something and 287 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: I literally said, in this class. In my graduate school class, 288 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: I said, I'm screaming. I'm screaming, and my go my 289 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: classmate was like, you literally just said I'm screaming. And 290 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: I'm like, you're right, Like, it's an internet. You say that, 291 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: you say that in a comment, I'm screaming. You say 292 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: that in a message to your friend. I'm screaming. Are 293 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: you actually screaming? No, but you're screaming. I'm screaming internally, 294 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm yelling. That's so funny. Oh yeah, No, we have been, 295 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean forever ruined. I mean it's like almost I 296 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: mean we don't even have you guys already know ye 297 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: all know, like, yeah, we're destroyed. Yeah, we're tethered to 298 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: the internet horrible because of just the nature of our 299 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: jobs that one day we're gonna like burn it all 300 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: down and walk away. Yeah not not today though, No, no, no, no, 301 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: But I mean I think that goes to show, Like, 302 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: I mean, we talk a lot about how, you know, 303 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: let words evolve and let people speak how they want. 304 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: But I do think there is a problem when words 305 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: are being misused that have like literal definitions for structural 306 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: violence or structural inequalities, like a gate keeping yeah. And 307 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: the one example we were talking about was also you 308 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: and I Mala was about like news like news editors, yes, 309 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: can be gatekeepers, yep. What information is being shared with 310 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: the public on like our most official, biggest platforms, Yeah, 311 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: you know, like TV news, print journalism, online journalism, or 312 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: even in addition to that, also like what is shared 313 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: in terms of profiles, Like if you think about one 314 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: of the reasons we interview artists, local artists, indie artists, 315 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: up and coming artists, it's because mainstream media or mainstream 316 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: publications don't always give them the attention the spotlight, and 317 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: so that's why we're archive, right, we're going to have 318 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: them on. But in that same regard, like, well, the 319 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: reason that they're not getting covered just because someone deems 320 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: them not ready, not worthy yet, Right, there's an editor 321 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: that's giving a yes or a no at all publications, 322 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: all editors, right, they just they can decide like what 323 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: and if it's not them, it's someone above them. And 324 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: so again, like that is I think an example of gatekeeping, 325 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: really good example of gatekeeping. And you know, I think 326 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: capitalism is the ultimate gatekeeper. I think what we've learned 327 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: is that one of the reasons it's so hard to 328 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: break into the industry, Hollywood, Entertainment, podcasting, what have you 329 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: is because it's expensive a to create work. Sometimes even 330 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: to just submit for something like an award. It's going 331 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: to cost several hundred dollars even just to submit your 332 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: work to be considered for something. The software that we use, 333 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: any account that we have online to make whatever we're 334 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: making at this point, there's a fee on top of 335 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: all of them, right, you know, like there's just expenses, 336 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: and that keeps a lot of people out of creative fields. 337 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons why Hollywood is just 338 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: crawling with NEPO babies because they're already in they have access, 339 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: you know. So I think like that's one way that 340 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: gatekeeping happens across the board is if you put a 341 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: price tag on it, you make it inaccessible, you gate keep, 342 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 1: and you keep a lot of people outside. Yeah, And 343 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: I think one thing that we experienced when we were 344 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, early on you know, twenty twenty, we were 345 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: pitching to a lot of different networks and we were 346 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: pitching original ideas. We were pitching at this point, we 347 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: weren't pitching look at we were just pitching original ideas, 348 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: and there was this like just the money aspect. You know, 349 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: people very much kate keep money, like budgets, what your 350 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: fees should be. Like there's a real way and reason 351 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: that people don't share what those numbers are. And that 352 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: is actual gate keeping. Yeah, because they will try the 353 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: powers that be, people in charge, people in power, will 354 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: try to undersell you, they will try to lowball you, 355 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: and that's gate keeping it is. And also like even 356 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: just negotiating costs money, as we've learned, because you have 357 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 1: to pay attorney's fees. Like just negotiating and asking for 358 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: more money is going to cost you money exactly. And 359 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: I think something that went I don't know if it 360 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: went viral, but something that you and I saw recently 361 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: was a video of George Lopez Oh God Yes on 362 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: his podcast Ryan, this is why men should not have 363 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: podcasts because of what he says. Can you break it 364 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: down for us? So George Lopez has this podcast is 365 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: called Oh My God High and it's been around for 366 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: a while. And you know, George Lopez has been around 367 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: for a while, and he's talking to other stand ups 368 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: and I want to say, Steve Trevino is the other 369 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: stand up comedian who's in this clip, and they're talking 370 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: about breaking barriers as Latino stand ups, as Latinos in 371 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: comedy and helping the next generation, helping the next up 372 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: and comers and making the path easier. So Steve Trevino 373 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: is like giving the example of Ralph Barbosa, who is 374 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: a stand up comic from Texas who's been making a 375 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: name for himself and selling out venues. He performed on 376 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: Jimmy Fallon. He did a great job. Like he's out there. 377 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: I see his stuff online all the time. Like, so, 378 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: Steve Trevino brings up Ralph Barbosa and then George Lopez 379 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: immediately real nasty. He's like, oh, why are you bringing 380 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: Why are you saying this guy's name? Nobody knows who 381 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: he is, and he keeps George Lopez keeps on with that. 382 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: He's like, why do you keep saying his name? Nobody 383 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: knows who he is, and then he makes fun of 384 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: his name and calls him like Ralph Barba Saul and 385 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: it was just real. And then George goes on to say, like, 386 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that's the right thing. I e like 387 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: helping other people out or giving other people a chance. 388 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: You have to look out for yourself direct quote, He's like, 389 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: look out for yourself, look out for yourself. And then 390 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, others online have pointed out that George Lopez 391 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: has this kind of history behaving this way, like other 392 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: stand ups have had experiences with him. Like back in 393 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: the day, after this Ralph Barbosa incident happened, people started 394 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: circulating this other clip from Felipe Esparza's you Know What's 395 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: Up Full podcast. Paul Rodriguez was on that podcast and 396 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: he was like so upset and like straight up crying 397 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: on that podcast because he was talking about how back 398 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: in the day, George Lopez had this weird policy about 399 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: not wanting to work with other Latino comics, and apparently 400 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: at casinos and at clubs, when George Lopez was negotiating 401 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: his deals with the clubs and the casinos, George Lopez 402 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: was putting it out And this is according to Paul Rodriguez, 403 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: and you guys can go and watch the clip on 404 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: felipez podcast, But according to Pardriguez, George Lopez was basically 405 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: telling the casinos and clubs like, if you're going to 406 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: hire me, you can't hire any of the other Latino comics. 407 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: That's a literal gatekeeper. Yeah, like if you're gonna hire me, 408 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: you can't hire others, Like I have to be the 409 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: only one. And then Paul shares other things about like money. 410 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: And there was like a tour that Paul Driguez and 411 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: Carlos Spincia and George Lopez went on the Three Amigos 412 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: tour and apparently they were at each other's throats and 413 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: it was bad, and so like there's just they have 414 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: They've had a hard time with George Lopez for a 415 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: long time, and this is exactly why, because this is 416 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: how he is, right apparently. Yeah, And so to that point, 417 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: like when in community, I mean like as Latinos, right, 418 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: the general Latino community, latin X community, right, that get 419 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: to a certain point, reach a certain stardom, certain paygrade, 420 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: certain level, they closed the door behind them and don't 421 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: let anyone else and refused to work with other latin 422 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: X folks people see, probably black folks too, I can 423 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: imagine George Lopez, right, And so that is like an 424 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: actual example of someone being a gatekeeper. They want to 425 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: be the only one inside, and they're not going to 426 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: help anyone else. They're going to close the door behind them. 427 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: That's gatekeeping totally, and I mean it's also weird, like 428 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: how out of touch because clearly, like George Lopez is 429 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: on his own show, his own guest is bringing up 430 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: this comic, so clearly people know who he is, right, 431 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: Like his name is being brought up, you know, and 432 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: just the very immediate like don't even say his name, 433 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: Like why are you even saying his name? Right, Like 434 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: that's you don't even want people to hear this person's 435 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: name on your show? Yeah, huge platform, you know what 436 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: I mean? Right, So like, yeah, very odd. That is 437 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: a great example of like Hollywood entertainment industry gatekeeping, right 438 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: because that's just what we what we heard like on 439 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: a pod guest that he also chose to put out. 440 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: Where is his producer? Where is his editor? Oh? Yeah, yeah, 441 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, No one was like this 442 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: makes you look really bad. Let's edit this out right. 443 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: It means it's out there. And there's also a ton 444 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: of other examples clearly of George Lopez being a gatekeeper 445 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: wanting to be the only one. But then so then 446 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: like what happens behind closed doors, Oh totally totally and 447 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: not just him, but like all these all the types 448 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: of people, right that want to be the only ones 449 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: that are actual gatekeeping, you know, and sometimes it's your 450 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: own people. A lot of the times it's your own people, truly, true, 451 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: Lee M. I feel like the streaming platforms are gatekeepers. 452 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: We've been talking about how they've just been disappearing shows. 453 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: So it's like the platforms are gatekeeping audiences, you know, 454 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: and keeping that work away from viewers, right, And that 455 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: is terrible for all the reasons we've listed on past episodes. 456 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: You know, all those actors and writers and producers and grips, 457 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: Now all that work that they did is not out 458 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: for anyone to see. And how do you get the 459 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: next job when your resume is not out and available 460 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: because the work is just being taken off the platform, 461 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, Like, yeah, it's layers of gatekeeping, absolutely, yeah. 462 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, not to you know, reference ourselves, 463 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: but I'm going to do it, oh yeah, because I 464 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: think like we're very aware of like gatekeeping, like knowledge, 465 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: like literal knowledge, like don't teach people how to do things, 466 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: And so I think we were talking about our time 467 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: with the LA Public Library, right teaching people how to 468 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: podcasts for free, Like I think that that's important that 469 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: people do right, like to teach people how to do 470 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: things like don't be a gatekeeper in that regard. Right, 471 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: it's not about fashion, it's not about beauty, it's not 472 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: about skincare. It's like access to information, to knowledge that's 473 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: like what you should in gate keep, you know, yeah, 474 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: to opportunity in things. It's it's like this to the 475 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,959 Speaker 1: solution to these big problems. I also am always very careful, 476 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: like I don't think the solution is always like things 477 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: that make women do more work, you know what I mean? 478 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: Like there's again there's this topic. The other side of 479 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: things can also be the conversation that we've had about 480 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: like unpaid labor and the expectation sometimes of women to 481 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: do more work, to go out of their way to 482 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: provide more services, to be more accessible, to be more available, 483 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: to do more, do more. But always remembering, like like 484 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about here with this specific term gate keeping, 485 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: there's that institutional aspect, you know, and so like like 486 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: always remembering like keeping it institutional, you know, and then 487 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: like and remembering like none of us as individuals can 488 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: change lots of things. We can come together, we can 489 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: rally together, you know, that goes into like organizing and 490 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: and I think yeah, to do that requires a mind 491 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: shift away from the individual and the personal and towards 492 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: the collective. Absolutely, you know. Yeah, Well, this has been 493 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: another episode of Local Radio and also in intro we're 494 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: going to be talking about gaslighting and gate keeping further 495 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: in future episodes before we close out our season. 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