1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: It was one week ago to the Supreme Court throughout 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: President Biden's plan to cut student loan debt for more 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: than forty million Americans. Now those people are facing the 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: prospect of higher monthly payments when they resume paying off 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: that debt in October. That comes after a three year 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: pause on payments due to the pandemic. It's not just 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: former students who could feel the pain. The broader economy 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: could take a hit as well. Student loans account for 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: nearly ten percent of all outstanding consumer credit, and the 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: prospect of payments resuming could also curb consumer spending. Here 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: with more is Denise Pellegrini in a Bloomberg Radio special report. 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: It's hard for me to wrap my head around repayment 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 2: becoming a thing, just because it's been pushed off so 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 2: many times up until this point. 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: Megan is twenty five. She's been working at charter schools 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 3: in Boston and elsewhere after graduating from a top private 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: liberal arts college in Connecticut, and she says she's in 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: shock that she'll have to start repaying all of the 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: tens of thousands of dollars. 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: I can see myself my lifestyle changing a lot, unfortunately. 21 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: And Megan is one of millions of students, former students, 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: and others reeling after the Supreme Court. Throughout the Biden 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: Administration's plan to forgive between ten and twenty thousand dollars 24 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 3: of student debt for many. 25 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 4: For the typical student loan borrower, they're going to start 26 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 4: paying about three four dollars a month. 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 3: Mark Sandy, chief economist at Moody's Analytics, says the one 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: two punch of not having some of the debt forgiven 29 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: and having to resume the monthly payments as soon as 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 3: October is going to be painful for. 31 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: Many student loan borrowers, younger borrowers, lower income borrowers. 32 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: That's tough tough for borrowers like twenty seven year old Marcus, 33 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: a middle school history teacher and first generation college grad 34 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: in the Philadelphia metro who owes about fifty thousand dollars 35 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: in student loans and says all of this has him 36 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: feeling aasis. 37 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 5: I'm feeling pretty. I'm not going to lie does things. 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 5: It does hurt. The fact is, you know we're not 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 5: going to be given this assistance. 40 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: Marcus is already cutting and spending to get ready for 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: the hundreds of dollars a month he now expects to 42 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: start paying back. 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 5: I'm cutting coffee every day, like I'm basically building as 44 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 5: the end of the week luxury or gift. It's like, 45 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 5: you know, if I want to snack this or that, 46 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 5: I'm like I need this, I needed that, And also 47 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 5: just like limiting how many times I go out socially 48 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 5: as well. 49 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 3: And economist Sandy says, on top of cuts in discretionary 50 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: spending like the ones Marcus is talking about, borrowers are 51 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: going to start cutting back on basic necessities, especially in 52 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: the face of the higher cost of living that people 53 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: are already struggling with. 54 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 4: People have to juggle, meaning you know, they'll be paying 55 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 4: late on this and then paying that and then so 56 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 4: it's going to be very uncomfortable for a lot of 57 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 4: these folks that have been able to not pay on 58 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 4: their student lunk the past several years. 59 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 3: And Sandy also says ones payment requirements ramp up, and 60 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: if borrowers do make their payments, this will take fifty 61 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: to sixty billion dollars a year out of spending. 62 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 4: Probably about a quarter point zero point three percent. There's 63 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 4: points of GDP. 64 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: Some other economists are even more worried than Zandy, including 65 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: Thomas Simon's US economist at. 66 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 6: Jeffries almost like a tax increase. 67 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: And Simons calls this impact very significant. 68 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 6: Four hundred dollars times forty five million people is almost 69 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 6: eighteen billion dollars a month in the aggregate, and that 70 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 6: is roughly a little bit less than one percent of 71 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 6: nominal monthly personal income. 72 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: Megan says she is planning on cutting back on buying 73 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: locally sourced food from upscale retailers, and also cutting back 74 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: on travel and on other big ticket items key to 75 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: the US economy as well. 76 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: My car is so old, so I just think, like 77 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,559 Speaker 2: when it dies, it dies, and I won't. 78 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 5: Buy a car. 79 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: I won't have to worry about gas or anything. 80 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: And Simons says the cutbacks like the ones Megan is 81 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: talking about, come at a bad time for the US economy, 82 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: as people start to run out of savings they've been 83 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: using to keep up consumer spending. 84 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 6: I think that, you know, we're pretty close to the 85 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 6: end of how much longer that can continue without more 86 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 6: sort of rebudgeting going on and people shifting or spending 87 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 6: works essential. And as that happens, you know, there are 88 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 6: knock on effects that eventually lead to higher unemployment and 89 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 6: unfortunately intercession as well. 90 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: Some borrowers have already shifted their spending two essentials and 91 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: are still struggling even without making payments, including Mariah, a 92 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 3: twenty nine year old in the Phoenix metro with an 93 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 3: undergraduate degree as an athletic trainer, who says as a 94 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: first generation college student, she thought her degree was the 95 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: end of her problems, but it turned out to be 96 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: just the beginning. 97 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 7: I feel like I will never break even. 98 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: Mariah says she was skipping some student loan repayments even 99 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: before the pandemic moratorium began, after salaries in her field 100 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: failed to rise as much as projected and the cost 101 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: of certifications intensified. And now after a car accident and 102 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 3: a layoff, she does some things she'll be able to 103 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: start making payments again anytime soon. 104 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 7: Hit the math and I realized for the every two 105 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 7: thousand dollars I put in, I get about four thousand 106 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 7: worth of interest. 107 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 3: And she describes herself as worse off than some of 108 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 3: her friends who didn't go to college. 109 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 7: I do have that didn't go to college, and I 110 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 7: honestly I thought the joke was on them and it's 111 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 7: like the joke's on me. 112 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: One thing that could help is the pay and the 113 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: Biden administration is now offering a plan that would let 114 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 3: borrowers ease back into student loan payments over time. Zandy says, 115 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 3: reality we'll sink in for those who owe. 116 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 6: It's not a gift. 117 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 4: It wasn't a gift in the first place. It was alone. 118 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 4: I think students know that to understand that. 119 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: And Sandy says borrowers who didn't get their degrees may 120 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 3: struggle the most. And of course for the borrowers who 121 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 3: did keep making payments during the pandemic, they were able 122 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: to pay down principle, and that's a good thing for 123 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: their own balance sheets and for the economy, but especially 124 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: for those who have not paid down their debt. Simon 125 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: says that now you see it, now you don't shock 126 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: of not getting flat out. Loan forgiveness is going to 127 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: have an extra impact on spending plans. 128 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 6: Certainly, consumer and psychology is going to play into it 129 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 6: a lot, and. 130 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: He says this will make millennial borrowers more cautious about 131 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: spending long term on things like buying a home. 132 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 6: Do you think of this as like coming into the 133 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 6: recession and then leading out to it in maybe like 134 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 6: two or three years. That's where we'll start to see 135 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 6: these psychological impacts I think really play out. 136 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: As for the students we spoke to, Megan will be 137 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: in graduate school this fall and avoid payments in the 138 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: short term. Mariah is helping to boost her income to cope, 139 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: but even so she's not sure she can make the payments. 140 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: And Marcus plans to use every bonus he gets to 141 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 3: pay down principle, meaning he says he expects to have 142 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 3: to delay making big purchases like buying a home for years. 143 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 5: It puts a big wrench in the plans that I had. 144 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: A wrench in the plans. Marcus had a possible wrench 145 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: in plans millions of others had for their money. And 146 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 3: as the Federal Reserve eyes more possible interest rate hikes, 147 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: a potential wrench in plans for those hoping for a 148 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: soft landing for the US economy. Denise Pellegrini, Bloomberg Radio