1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up by the Field Shuttle Group, Jaguar 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Senior writer John Oser, NFL Network analyst and former Jaguar 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter JP Shadwick bring you the 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars. 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now. 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 3: And Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks is brought to you 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: by the Field's Auto Group Jacksonville. See Fields First, Jacksonville's 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 3: premiere luxury auto group. 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: Go to Fieldsauto dot com. JP Shadwick, John Oser. 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: We're at the Hunday Studios inside the Miller Electric Center 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 3: in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks out in Los Angeles, and it's 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 3: nice to speak with you again, Bucky. After last week 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 3: at the Combine. We got to see you in person. 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 3: What's going on? 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 4: Not too much, guys, what's happening? 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 5: You know, I have a question for the King of 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 5: the Combine already already, Bucky. I can remember when I 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 5: was a child at Christmas, I would look forward to 19 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 5: christ Miss the anticipation, the tree, and then when it 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 5: was over, I would have this letdown where it was 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 5: almost like a sadness. I have to think that that's 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 5: you this week after the combine. 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 4: No that that's not me. 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 6: No, No, I mean there was a lot of work 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 6: and all that other stuff, but no, not not the 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 6: level of sadness that you would anticipate. 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 5: And they take that tree down. You're not like a 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 5: little sad little tear. 29 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 4: No, we're trying to get a tree down right away. 30 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 6: Tree has to be down right after New Year's death 31 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 6: January second. 32 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 4: Tree needs to be down. All the stuff needs to 33 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: be put away. We're on to the next. 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: Love that all right? 35 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 5: All right, I don't buy it, but all right, Yeah, 36 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 5: I think it's like in school when everybody's going are 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 5: you crying? Are you crying? 38 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: No, I'm not crying. 39 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 4: Somebody's cutting onions. Someone is cutting onions. 40 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. 41 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: What is next is free agency. 42 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: We're a week ahead from the start of the league year, 43 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: and that the Jags could be in a position where 44 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: they've got some money to spend. They've got to do 45 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 3: some business. It feels like before that they got room 46 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: they could go into the new year without making moves. 47 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: But we'll see what happens. And I mean, obviously it 48 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: starts with a couple of names that you hear about 49 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: on the roster right now that have big salary impacts 50 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: to the salary cap next year in Christian Kirk. 51 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: And evid Ingram. 52 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: I mean, and then we can go into the pending 53 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: free agents and all that. 54 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 4: For the Jags. 55 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 3: There's a long list of those guys. But John, where 56 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 3: do you begin here? Let's start with Christian Kirk with 57 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: a big number going in the next season and a 58 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 3: lot of time on the sideline the last couple of years. 59 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a tricky spot because I think 60 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 5: fans want Christian back. I would love to see Christian back. 61 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 5: He's one of my favorite players covering him that I've 62 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 5: ever covered. I mean, I enjoy talking to him, I 63 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 5: enjoy watching him play. At the same time, he has 64 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 5: not finished the last two seasons. He's a twenty four 65 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 5: million dollar cap hit, and I think it's I think 66 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 5: they save about ten million by releasing him. So I 67 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 5: don't know. You know, I'm not privy to the depth 68 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 5: of conversation about Christian within the building, and I don't 69 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 5: know what the talks are in terms would Christian want 70 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 5: to come back, in terms of making a little bit 71 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 5: less My my history being around that is fans and 72 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 5: media love to talk about a guy taking a little 73 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 5: bit less, and guys tend to not take a little 74 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 5: bit less Bucky and I wouldn't either. This is a 75 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 5: business and they know that. So I don't think Christian 76 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 5: will be back, and I hope I'm wrong when I 77 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 5: say that. 78 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, No, this is a This is a tricky one 79 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 6: because I think it's clear when Christian Kirk is on 80 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 6: the field he is an impact player for them. I 81 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 6: think when you're around on the team, particularly where I'm 82 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 6: at on the sideline, and you see the communication, you 83 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 6: see how much Trevor depends on Christian, I think it 84 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 6: would be a huge loss if you remove him from 85 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 6: the equation. While Parker Washington in theory, offers a natural replacement, 86 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 6: I think there's a difference in terms of just the 87 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 6: football IQ, the trust, the dependability, the reliability when it 88 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 6: comes to being at the right spot. It has been 89 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 6: unfortunate that he's had injuries each of the past two years, 90 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 6: but guess what, the quarterback has also been injured each 91 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 6: of the past two years, and so I think you 92 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 6: got to be careful penalizing him for those injuries when 93 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 6: you really understand the importance and the value that he 94 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 6: brings to the offense. And what he could do look 95 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 6: to help Trevor get to where we want him to 96 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 6: get to in twenty twenty five. 97 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. I mean he said theoretically Parker Washington 98 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 5: can replace him. Theory's great in April, theory's not great 99 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 5: on September thirteenth. And so I agree with you. They 100 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 5: have been a better offense and Trevor Lawrence has been 101 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 5: a better quarterback over the last three years when there's 102 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 5: been a rhythm with Christian I just don't know that 103 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 5: there's a you know, I think the fact that he 104 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 5: hasn't been on the field I'd finished the last two 105 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 5: seasons has to play into the equation and that worries 106 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 5: me as somebody who wants to cover Christian Kirk again. 107 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 108 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: By the way, the number on Christian Kirk twenty four 109 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: million cap hit thirteen and a half dead cap, so 110 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: looking at about ten and a half. 111 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 5: Yes, And so that it just feels to me like 112 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 5: new regime starting over, new philosophy. At some point in 113 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 5: his career, Trevor Lawrence is not going to have Christian Kirk, 114 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 5: and there's a shelf life on that receiver quarterback relationship. 115 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 5: I'm worried they may take it off the shelf. Weakers. 116 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, the only thing that I would say, and I 117 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 6: completely understand, and I completely understand why everyone is kind 118 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 6: of looking to fix the budget, right, you want to 119 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 6: fix the budget. 120 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 4: But I'm just not in the. 121 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 6: Business of removing good players when I know there are 122 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 6: a lot of bad players making significant money and I 123 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 6: don't want to retain them because they're cheaper items. I 124 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 6: would look to see how much would it cost to 125 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 6: remove too three four bad players that are commanding significant 126 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 6: chunks of the salary cap before I will remove a 127 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 6: player that I know is a good player that really 128 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 6: works with the quarterback. Because at the end of the day, 129 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 6: we always talk about it like this is a quarterback 130 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 6: driven league. The job is for the coordinator is to 131 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 6: make the game easy for the quarterback. I would want 132 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 6: to exhaust all options before I present another challenge for 133 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence to have to overcome when you're breaking in 134 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 6: the newness of young, inexperienced receivers on the perimeter, learning 135 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 6: a new offense with the new regime. 136 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, let me just say for the record, I lean 137 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 5: Bucky's way on this. I mean, I'm talking the other 138 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 5: way a little bit to, you know, sort of put 139 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 5: the idea out there and I'd have the conversation. But 140 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 5: I hope I think they're better. I would like to 141 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 5: see for a year how Trevor, Brian Thomas, Junior, Christian Kirk, 142 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 5: how that could look. It would be cool if they 143 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 5: could play fifty one healthy games as a group. Yeah, 144 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 5: I think that would really you know, I could see 145 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 5: that being the best offense, the most smooth operating offense 146 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 5: they've had here in Trevors's career. 147 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: If you throw it out an Ingram in that mix, 148 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: if he's out there, then that just adds to the firepower. 149 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: But he's another that could have some cap savings if 150 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: he's not on the roster. Nineteen and a half million 151 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: cap hit, thirteen and a half million dead cap, it's 152 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,239 Speaker 3: about a five million dollars savings if he's not around. 153 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: He's had production here, but again he didn't finish the 154 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: season either with the labor problem on the shoulder. 155 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, Bucky, and again I can't say enough. I think 156 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 5: JP agrees with me. I haven't been around these guys. I 157 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 5: would love it if Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram were 158 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 5: twenty year players for this franchise. I mean that would 159 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 5: be great. I mean that would be the Fantasy Land, right, 160 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 5: but you know, not in fantasy Land. I almost leaned 161 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 5: toward Evan Ingram being a I hate the word expendable, 162 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:39,359 Speaker 5: but I think Christian Kirk is a bigger loss theoretically 163 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 5: for Trevor. I think Evan's been really, really good. I 164 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 5: kind of look at the yards per reception lately and 165 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 5: that makes me think that they could maybe get as 166 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 5: much out of Brenton Strange and another tight end as 167 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 5: they've gotten out of Ingram married to that concept bucket. 168 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 5: But I feel like there's something there. 169 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: I think there is something to be said for that. 170 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 6: One of the things that you do like everything, Look, 171 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 6: it all works together, right, It's free agency, the draft, 172 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 6: salary cap, casualties, all that works together. When you look 173 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 6: at the strength of this draft class, there are a 174 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 6: ton of tight ends that are available that can certainly 175 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 6: help you. 176 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 4: When you look at the emergence of Britain Strains last. 177 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 6: Year and what he was able to do with the opportunities, 178 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 6: you can make a reasonable case that a, if we 179 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 6: remove Evan Ingram from the equation, we have Breton Strange 180 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 6: who can step into his role, but we also can 181 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 6: double up by taking a young tight end and a 182 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 6: very talented tight end class to make sure that we 183 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 6: have multiple options to be able to replace that production. 184 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 6: When you look at Christian Kirk, I will tell you this, 185 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 6: like the wide receiver class is not as strong as 186 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 6: it's been in past years. And then when you look 187 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,359 Speaker 6: at Parker Washington, there's some similarities, but I also. 188 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 4: Think they are great differences. 189 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 6: And so when you're making those decisions, you're trying to 190 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 6: figure out who is who's more readily replaceable, and right now, 191 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 6: to your point, Evan Ingram would appear to be easier 192 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 6: to replace perimeter player more southern Christian Kirk. 193 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: The Jaguars coaching staff and leadership is set and season 194 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: group and sweet ticket deposits are now available. 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All right, let's get to well, 200 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: you know what, I kind of just want to go 201 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 3: down the list of pending free agents and almost like 202 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: a yay or nay and a quick why what do 203 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: you think Johnny? 204 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: That makes sense? 205 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 5: Yeah, I say yay kind of that. 206 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: Bucky, you say yay or nay to that. 207 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yay, yay, let's do it. 208 00:10:53,559 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: Okay, Brandon, this is my previous annual value. Brandon Sheriff Nay, nay. 209 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 5: Why it's done? I mean not nelays though him is 210 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 5: as a player. Yeah, because of this, Bucky, I think 211 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 5: if you're going to change, uh, the offensive line, you 212 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 5: have to change something. And they're not changing Walker Lettle, 213 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 5: they're not changing Ezra Cleveland, and they're not changing uh 214 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 5: Anton Harrison. I don't know about Mitch Morse. I think 215 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 5: that's I think that's something to be studied in storyline. 216 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 5: But I think they'll go after a guard somewhere in 217 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 5: free agency or somewhere early in the draft and try 218 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 5: to get a more uh Brandish Sure has been a 219 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 5: big time player, big time career, but try to get 220 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 5: something more physical and uh maybe more fiery as as 221 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 5: that position. 222 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you. I don't think you can play 223 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 4: at a high level anymore. 224 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 6: I think it's toughnessing and Grid is admirable, but in 225 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 6: terms of the production and the performance, you want to 226 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 6: get better at the position. 227 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 4: So I would move on. 228 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 6: I wouldn't continue to kind of try it out the 229 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 6: same office line that we've tried it out the last 230 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 6: two years, where we've seen the issues that we've had. 231 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 2: All Right, So for the record, both are nay on 232 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: that one. Yeah, yes, yay. 233 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 5: Today it's both nay. 234 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,479 Speaker 3: On the Mac Jones quarterback was three point eight million average. 235 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: Nay, nay. 236 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 5: I like Mac, Everbey likes Mac, but uh, I mean 237 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 5: and just Bucky that when regimes change, that dynamic changes 238 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 5: of sort of what you want in the quarterback's ear, 239 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 5: I think, and if you're going to change backups and 240 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 5: have something cheaper long term, I don't think Mac wants 241 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 5: to be back. I mean Trevor's back up forever. I 242 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 5: think he'd like another shot somewhere and and I'm not 243 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 5: going to get it here. All that sort of h 244 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 5: I guess leads to nay for me. 245 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say, not only all of those factors 246 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 6: that you brought in, but I don't know if the 247 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 6: performance was good enough that you want to bring it back. 248 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 6: If you are look a new coach who doesn't have 249 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 6: a tie to the previous backup quarterback. You may want 250 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 6: to bring in your own guy who understands your system 251 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 6: or understands one of the similarities of your system. 252 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: For that reason alone, I think you move on from 253 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 4: Mac Jones. 254 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 5: Unsurprisingly, that's a better answer than mine. 255 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: There you go, yay it is. 256 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeremiah Ledbetter on the defensive line, defensive tackle one 257 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: point eight. 258 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 4: I don't know, Buck, who we talking about? Defense tackle 259 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 4: one point eight? Who is it? 260 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: Jeremiah Ledbetter? 261 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 4: I mean he's fine. One point eight is is okay? 262 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 6: But I am more apt to everyone that you bring up, 263 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 6: particularly on the front line. 264 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 4: I'm gonna move on and see if I can try 265 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 4: and better. 266 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 3: Caleb Johnson linebacker, but a Special Teams ace. 267 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, very good team's guy. I think he's been good 268 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 5: at the right price. He's the guy you keep around. 269 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 5: I don't know specifically how Farwell feels, but guys who 270 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 5: have been Special Teams guys that wasn't a regime change, Bucky, 271 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 5: so I think you could see some guys like that stick. 272 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. I like that Special Teams are one of the 273 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 4: best in the business. 274 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 6: You brought back Heath Farwell in company yeah, I'm keeping him. 275 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: Andre Cisco, well, yeah, onto the next. 276 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 4: And this is a big disappointment for me. 277 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 6: I thought he would be a much better player in 278 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 6: previous seasons, but he hasn't. 279 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 4: He hasn't played well. So I'm onto the next. 280 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 6: I want to find a more reliable, dependable, productive option. 281 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: Everybody likes the safety. You gets an occasional interception. 282 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, and Andre. 283 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: Out there too, blown coverage. 284 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're shifting the secondary much like the lines. Sid 285 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 5: didn't secondary didn't play well last year, and he was disappointing, 286 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 5: and I just don't think they'll keep So I hope 287 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 5: for his sake he goes on and plays. 288 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: Well, somebody will sign him somewhere. Sure, yes, just most 289 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 3: likely not here. Ernest Johnson running. 290 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 5: Back, Uh, probably a nay, But I mean I don't 291 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 5: feel passionately about it, buck you, but probably an A. 292 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would saying nay. 293 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 6: I'm looking to find a younger, cheaper option. I'm also 294 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 6: looking to draft someone that could eventually be the RB 295 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 6: one because as I'm looking at Travis at tenn he's 296 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 6: playing in this fifth year option, I would anticipate moving. 297 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 4: On from him at the end of that. 298 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 6: So I'm looking to draft a couple of running backs 299 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 6: that can play bigger role. 300 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 4: So Deanis Johnson will probably be a casual. 301 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 5: Sounds like Bucky's anti tank Appa. 302 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 6: No, I like Tank, but I'm saying have another running 303 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 6: back to eventually I want. Hey man, when you're four 304 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 6: and thirteen, everybody's up for debate. 305 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, including CJ. Bethard quarterback. 306 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no. 307 00:15:59,360 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: That's a note. 308 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: I'm continued to try and upgrade it. 309 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 6: Like we talked about bringing in a backup from one 310 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 6: of the systems that are very similar to what Mcorin runs. 311 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 6: And then I'm looking to draft a young one to 312 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 6: develop to have in the hopper who eventually may fill 313 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 6: the role on practice squad. 314 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: Gotta keep that hopper, keep it full tight end. 315 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 5: That's probably an a. 316 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: Blake Cants guard. 317 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 4: Six years. 318 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: Kind of need some bodies. Yeah, there's the campus. 319 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 5: M maybe I mean uh many, Bucky, you know, uh Gar, 320 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 5: I mean offensive lineman. Every team needs those guys who've 321 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 5: done it for a while, who aren't necessarily stars. He 322 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 5: fits that. I mean, he's a guy that I'm not 323 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 5: saying this is a native word, Blake Cants. He's a 324 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 5: guy that you can play roster machination with on on 325 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 5: a Friday and you know, released to the practice squad 326 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 5: not necessarily, you know, be terrified that he's going to 327 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 5: be picked up. He may be a little better than 328 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 5: what I just described, but you need that guy that 329 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 5: you can rely on who's not automatically going to get 330 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 5: sapped up. 331 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm looking. I'm I'm fine with it at the 332 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 6: right price point. Yeah, So I'm okay with it. Like 333 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 6: it's I'm not going to do anything crazy. You got 334 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 6: to have depth and you gotta have guys that can 335 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 6: rotate in and be swing players. 336 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 4: So I'm okay with handstand. 337 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 3: Exclusive rights free agent Joe Giles Harris linebacker brought in 338 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 3: late last year. Who knows next? D Shaun Dixon was 339 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: injured all the last season, was kind of a project 340 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 3: and has been injured. Outside linebackers second. 341 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 4: Year on to the next. 342 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 3: Tomawo, who had plenty of playing time last year at defensive. 343 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 5: End, probably onto that. I mean, yeah, that'll so depend 344 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 5: on on. 345 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 4: Right man. Have we got The only way to change 346 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 4: the coach is to change the culture. 347 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: So Covid landon guard part of the same argument. With 348 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: his hands, he's restricted there right, or he was restricted. Yes, 349 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 3: he's restricted, all. 350 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 4: Right, So I mean we're talking about talking about peanuts. 351 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 5: Wow, that's okay. 352 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 6: No, No, I'm just saying it's not a big deal, 353 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 6: so we can keep him and you're not tied in anything. 354 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 6: There's no sign of bonus associated with keeping him on 355 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 6: a tender like so it doesn't cost you anything to 356 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 6: bring him to camp and let him continue to compete 357 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 6: for one of those. 358 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 5: Well he had, like you still have to finance the 359 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 5: bust too from last because he was the greatest offensive 360 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 5: line in the history of. 361 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 2: Season. 362 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I joke about that because it was quite 363 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 5: a feat. I mean, it was unbelievable for two weeks. 364 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 5: I think he fits into that Blake Hans category. To me, uh, 365 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 5: you know, offensive lineman, you need guys who you know 366 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 5: can do it, who you're not paying a lot. So 367 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 5: he would make sense if he falls into that. 368 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: And just taking him to camp. 369 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 4: See what happened. 370 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: Sure, he makes it cool. 371 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: Tim Jones last one restricted free agent wide receiver sort of. 372 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 5: The same thing as Caleb right, Buck, I mean I. 373 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 6: Don't, yeah, he saw, but the only thing that I 374 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 6: would ask is, like, if he's going to get on 375 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 6: the field and play as a regular receiver. 376 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 4: He can't keep jumping off sides. Well, he just can't 377 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 4: keep having false starts. 378 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 5: That's the question is he hasn't performed a wide receiver. 379 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 5: How long you keep that around? 380 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm okay bringing him back, but man, 381 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 6: he has to Like I'm not penciling him into the lineup, 382 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 6: like he's a really solid special teamers. But you can 383 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 6: find guys like him. I think the difference between like 384 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 6: him and Dwayne Thomas and all those other guys, like 385 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 6: those guys are essential to the core. I don't know 386 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 6: if Jones is an essential piece to the special teams. 387 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 3: You have it or looked through pending free agents for 388 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 3: the Jacksonville Jaguars and Attention music Fancy Daily Play Season 389 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 3: is underway tonight. Zach Top March fifteenth, cory for band 390 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 3: Teddy Swims made tenth t pay May thirty first plenty 391 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: more scheduling tickets at dailiesplace dot com. 392 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: You go the t Pain Show, Johns Are they gonna 393 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 2: sing on a boat? Snl skit? 394 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 5: I he was You're speaking, Come on, Bucky, you don't 395 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 5: I'm talking about I do? 396 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's funny. 397 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: I'll check that out. 398 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 4: Money. Hey. 399 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: Final thought with you here, Bucky, what was your what's 400 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: your takeaway after the combine about how this top five could. 401 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: Go down in the draft? Will there be some shake up, 402 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: some movement, Will the Titans move? 403 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 3: What's the Are the quarterbacks good enough to be picked 404 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 3: that high or are they gonna fall? 405 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: What's your general feel? 406 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 4: I think it's a crapshit. I don't know if anyone 407 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 4: knows anything. 408 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 6: If anything, is more muddy than it was before we 409 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 6: entered the combine. Some of the great performances that we 410 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 6: saw in shorts, even though they're not supposed to impact 411 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 6: and influence you, it will change that. Some of the 412 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 6: linemen performed really well. And will Campbell being kind of 413 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 6: penciled and peg to be a top five pick, maybe 414 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 6: that's not a reality. Shereder Sanders in the debate over 415 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 6: Sherdriff Sanders and cam Ward And if you know, according 416 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 6: to something, Shedriff Sanders is the first round pick. 417 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 4: That all changes everything. 418 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 6: And then with abdual Carter being injured, that will certainly 419 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 6: have an impact on. 420 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 4: The way that it shakes up. 421 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 6: So for the Jaguars got to stay nimble, you've got 422 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 6: to be ready to kind of move and maneuver because 423 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 6: there may be some unexpected names that are staying you 424 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 6: squarely in the face when it's your time to make 425 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 6: the pick. 426 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 4: At five, we think John. 427 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I don't have much of a feel 428 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 5: for the top. I still kind of I mean, every 429 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 5: time I see a draft of Mason Graham, I still 430 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 5: feel like that is gonna make the most sense based 431 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 5: on what they like. But we've also got what a 432 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 5: month and I mean a month and a half before 433 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 5: this thing, so who knows that. I do have a 434 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 5: question for the for the pro personnel scout, I mean, 435 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 5: we're not going to talk until next Wednesday, and by 436 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 5: next Wednesday, we're gonna have a really good idea what's 437 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 5: going on in free agency. So for the Jaguars, how 438 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 5: do you see this playing out? I think they're going 439 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 5: to be active. I sense they're gonna be sniffing around 440 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 5: at interior offensive line. I'm curious, Bucky, it feels to 441 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 5: me like you need a especially if Christian's not back. 442 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 5: I think they've really only got one receiver in that scenario. 443 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 5: I mean, I like Parker, but and we'll see what 444 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 5: Gabe Davis is but do you do you feel like 445 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 5: any of those are lift the team guys? 446 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 4: Yet? 447 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 5: Not really? 448 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 6: So Okay, I'm gonna say this, and I don't want 449 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 6: to get in trouble, but the fact that we're going 450 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 6: to retain Gabe Davis or Christen Kirk like to me 451 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 6: would be mind boggling just in terms of the production, 452 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 6: the player and all this other stuff. I understand it, 453 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 6: but it would be God, my god, it would just 454 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 6: drive me like absolutely banana. 455 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: So it feels like you need veteran to me, I 456 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 5: wouldn't be surprised if you see veteran. And when I 457 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 5: say rookie, I mean like first four round rookie, both 458 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 5: at receiver and somewhere in the defensive backfield. You need 459 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 5: numbers at those spots. So I'm gonna be curious how 460 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 5: they approach free agency with those spots. 461 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 6: Normally, whenever you have a regime change, you have a 462 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 6: couple of quote unquote blue guys that tend to come 463 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 6: along with the new regime, Guys that coaches have known 464 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 6: along the way, Guys that can help foster the changing 465 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 6: culture and also the new learning. When it comes to scheme, 466 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 6: I would expect to see a handful of guys that 467 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 6: have some links and ties to coaches on the. 468 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 4: Staff kind of make their way over. 469 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 6: I would think maybe you have one or two splashes 470 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 6: early in free agency, but then I think that the 471 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 6: Jags were kind of sitting. Wait, if you go back 472 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 6: and kind of study how the Rams have traditionally operated, 473 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 6: They've been very shrewd and calculated when it comes to 474 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 6: the moves that they make in free agency. A lot 475 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 6: of bargain basement deals, not a lot. 476 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 4: Of splash plays. 477 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 6: And look, we have we've gone the whole podcast without 478 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 6: talking about the ecosystem. But the new ecosystem that we 479 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 6: have in Jacksonville, it requires us to kind of do 480 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 6: some of those things and take that that kind of 481 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 6: tacked on approach. I would look for us to have 482 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 6: some value based deals more so than the Bill Pizazzi 483 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 6: splashy additions that you normally see come across to Krawl. 484 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's I think that what will happen, 485 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 5: and I think that is the right way to do 486 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 5: it is to have more second, second tier free agents 487 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 5: and that way you have a chance to get Maybe 488 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 5: you probably can't do it at all seven or eight 489 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 5: positions but you get a chance to get more guys 490 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 5: in each room, right, Yeah, and the only way to 491 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 5: get that ecosystem really flourishing is to have guys in 492 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 5: the meeting rooms. They understand it as well. 493 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 6: So yeah, no, you know what, I'm apologize because I 494 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 6: see JP's reaction, like I may seem like I'm coming 495 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 6: off a little crusty today, like like like what's wrong. 496 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 4: No, I'm like, I'm good, Like. 497 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 6: I've I've decided that like, look, we want to be 498 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 6: truth tellers, Like our job is to tell the truth 499 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 6: about some of the things, And so I did want 500 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 6: to sugarcoat some of the opinions when it came to 501 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 6: some of the thumbs up and thumbs down. 502 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 4: If this is. 503 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 6: Gladiator, you know, like gonna be more down than up 504 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 6: as we talk about a team just trying to bounce 505 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 6: back for for thirteen. 506 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking football. It's all it is. It's 507 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: not you know, it's not. 508 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 6: But I felt like I felt like I felt like 509 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 6: based on your reaction, I might have been a little 510 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 6: i might have been a little terse, but my commentary 511 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 6: so I'm trying to be better, Like I haven't written 512 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 6: all week, so some of the words, and some of 513 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 6: the things may come off like, you know, maybe not 514 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 6: as a flowery that's good. 515 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 2: Straightforward light of that. 516 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 5: In light of that, I have a question for the 517 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 5: truth Teller now that he's that I never knew him 518 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 5: as the truth teller before, now that he's that. 519 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: Blue in the world. 520 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 5: I think you said before, Bucky that you didn't really 521 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 5: know Gladstone that well. But I'm assuming you had a 522 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 5: chance to hear him a little bit. Oh yeah, impression. 523 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 5: I mean, and beyond the ecosystem, because everybody's got their 524 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 5: verbiage right. 525 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 4: But I'm I just kind of like, I kind of 526 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 4: like it is. 527 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 5: New if you push through the ecosystem stuff. There's some 528 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 5: real meat on the bone there though. 529 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, there is. 530 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 6: And look, living in LA being closed to several people 531 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 6: that are working with the Rams, I kind of understand 532 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 6: how the Rams have really focused on building their team. 533 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 6: They are a team that has kind of overcome some 534 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 6: of the I would say, the low expectations that people 535 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 6: had with them to be playoff teams back the back years. 536 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 6: They've done it with young people while flipping their roster. 537 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 6: They've been able to rebuild and win on the fly, 538 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 6: which you have to give them credit, they've done a 539 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 6: really good job of identifying players and the third rounds 540 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 6: of later that have been immediate contributors, which is a positive. 541 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 4: Gladstone has been around all of that now. 542 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 6: Sean McVeigh is a big part of it, and the 543 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 6: head coach kind of drives that environment, drives that culture. 544 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 6: But they've done a really good job of I would 545 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 6: say winning with less. And you know, as you think 546 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 6: about the way the Jacks are going to have to 547 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 6: transition with the money from Trevor Lawrence his the cap, 548 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 6: you're gonna have to do some of those things. The 549 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 6: trick will be how do they pay it down? How 550 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 6: do they keep the people that you have to keep 551 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 6: while getting the budget right by getting. 552 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 4: The salary cap and those things right. 553 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 6: I will say this though, and maybe that's why I've 554 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 6: been probably adamant. We had a lot of conversations about 555 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 6: Christian Kirk. 556 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 4: And Evan Ingram and those guys. 557 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 6: Given where those guys come from in La Man, in 558 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 6: tangibles and character football character really matters. I don't know 559 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 6: if they would be the first ones to go based 560 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 6: on how the Rams have operated and the way that 561 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 6: they've seen it, because when you think about the Rams 562 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 6: and what the Rams have been able to do when 563 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 6: you look at their camaraderie and chemistry and the way 564 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 6: that they've played, like Cooper Cup, even Odell Beckham Junior 565 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 6: when he was there, Brittany Cook, like they had a 566 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 6: lot of guys that have like kind of sacrificed it's 567 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 6: their own individual stuff to have. 568 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 4: A lot of success. The two guys that we. 569 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 6: Mentioned, Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk, they're definitely team guys, 570 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 6: and so I just wonder if there's a greater value 571 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 6: for team guys over the me guys when they kind 572 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 6: of look. 573 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 4: Down the sheet and try and figure out. 574 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 6: The cap and who's who stays and who goes and 575 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 6: all that other stuff. 576 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's uh good point. I mean makes a 577 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 5: lot of sense. 578 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 4: You know what. 579 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: I like to wrap it up straightforward Edgy Bucky. 580 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 5: I love that, Yeah, straight forward, you know, like Edgy Bucky. 581 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 6: I mean, I had two cups of coffee, so I 582 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 6: thought I would kind of be like alerting on it. 583 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 4: But I feel like I was a little it's. 584 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 6: Rainy out here in La so it's not necessarily what 585 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 6: you pay for. I paid for like three hundred and 586 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 6: fifty days of sunshine and got a little great day 587 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 6: to day. 588 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 5: So feel like next time he comes in here, you 589 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 5: might you might see him pushing some people out of the. 590 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 2: Way, maybe so announcing his presence with authority. 591 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 5: Which is fine. I mean you gotta at some point, 592 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 5: you gotta take the gloves off. 593 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: That's my desk. Beat it right, It'll say. 594 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 5: Badstone, get out of my office. 595 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: That'll do it for the day. 596 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 5: It's a good way to end it with Bucky kicking 597 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 5: the GM out of the office. That's a good way 598 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 5: to close. 599 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 3: Good way to close this podcast forever. Probably Bucky will. 600 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: Talk to you next week, all right, Bucky. 601 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 3: Thanks Bucky Brooks, John Oser, I'm JP Shatterick or thanks 602 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 3: to britt Reaber and Joe Fortuneatawan. 603 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: Thanks to you for listening to the Huddle Up Podcast.