WEBVTT - 4/15/26: Lebanon Invasion Doomed, Scientists Go Missing, Professor Pape On Iran Ceasefire 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.599 Hey guys, Saga and Crystal here. 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:05.200 Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.840 and we are so excited about what that means for 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:08.720 the future of the show. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.760 This is the only place where you can find honest 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.280 perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.680 not exist anywhere else. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.080 So if that is something that's important to you, please 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.599 go to Breakingpoints dot com. 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The Lebanese and Israeli diplomats held this 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.000 face to face meeting here in Washington. It was the 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.160 first of its kind in many, many years, but you 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.040 are a very skep of some sort of a ceasefire. 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:05.039 Could you maybe set the table for some of the 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.400 history leading up to this moment and what you make 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:09.800 of the development so far. 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:14.520 Yeah, well, this is the first face to face meeting 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:20.760 since the nineteen eighties, when also violence, extreme violence in 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:25.240 the region led to a series of meetings under American 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:30.560 pressure and through the mediation of other Middle Eastern countries, 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:36.960 and that's again what happened here. The United States has 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.360 put a lot of pressure on the Lebanese government and 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:48.720 on Israel to discuss a ceasefire, but there's absolutely no 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.960 chance of its succeeding because Israel has plans to its 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:57.160 member Lebanon completely take over a security zone all the 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:02.480 way up to the Litani River. And what the Lebanese 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:06.840 want is just a ceasefire, just for Israel to stop firing, 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:12.080 but Israel wants part of the country and wants Lebanon 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:18.360 to try to dismantle Hesbela. Now, the public opinion in 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.640 Lebanon is wildly against any kind of deal with Israel 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.600 because the kind of deal that Israel and the United 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:29.799 States are looking for involves normalization of the relationship and peace. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:35.720 While Israel takes away part of Lebanon's land, And even 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:39.720 if the normalization involved giving up no land, there is 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.680 very few people in Lebanon who are for normalization. Seventy 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.560 to eighty percent depending on Paul, are against normalization without 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.840 giving up land. With giving up land, you probably wouldn't 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:54.399 find a single Lebanese person who would be willing to normalize. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:03:00.280 And meanwhile, Israel is demanding that Lebanon dismantle Hesbela, which 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:05.440 there's no support for whatsoever in Lebanon, especially with this invasion. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.600 Before this invasion there probably would have been some support 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.520 for it, but much less now. But even if Lebanon 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.680 wanted to disinbantle Hesbella, they couldn't. Israel can't this man 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:18.399 Bella with its massive army, and Lebanon couldn't. Lebanon's also 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.680 on the verge of becoming a failed state. Since twenty 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:25.400 twenty two, Lebanon has been involved in an almost complete 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.880 economic collapse. Their currency has almost no value, They've lost 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.000 fifteen percent of their population leaving, and that's mostly liberals 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:34.880 and moderates who might want normalization. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.440 So the whole thing is a farce. 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.080 Yeah, we can start rolling some of this footage in 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.400 D two. This is recent strikes in southern Lebanon, and child, 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.360 can you help us understand to your point about support 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:55.040 previously for dismantling Hesbela defeating Hasbela, how significant these strikes 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.200 have been and basically how they may have undermined the 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:03.400 cause of actually squelching has Belah in Lebanon. 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:03.960 Yeah. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:08.040 Well, I wouldn't want to over sell the prospects of 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:14.000 anything happening regarding quelching has before all this happened. But 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.080 as you can see, Israel is committing all sorts of 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:23.200 war crimes and atrocities in Lebanon, the kind of atrocities 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:27.159 that no country could put up with silently, and that 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:34.840 public opinion absolutely will not allow to for the government 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:39.160 to facilitate. You know, not only are has Israel killed 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.720 all these people, a large portion of which are our 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:49.080 children as usual, But and not only is Israel operating 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.880 deep inside Libanon, but it's destroying entire villages. The first 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:57.080 three lines of villages, and what you're seeing in that 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.480 footage is the first line of villages. The first three 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.599 lines of villages above Israel are slated for complete and 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.880 total destruction. Every single building is going to be destroyed, 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.640 and instead of those villages, Israel is going to build 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:14.839 a network of military bases. There's a big debate in 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:18.040 the IDF over whether to continue to destroy the next 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:22.320 levels and the next levels and where these bases will be. 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:28.080 The occupation Israel's planning is permanent. Every single person in 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.320 Lebanon is very aware of that. And no matter what 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.520 your feelings are about Hebela, no matter what your feelings 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:37.600 are about the West and normalization, no one is willing 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:44.120 to countenance this complete destruction of the Lebanese nation. And 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.000 even people hate Hebela the most and hate the she 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.360 unites the most, can imagine allowing this sort of thing 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.760 to happen. Hesbela is the only force in Lebanon that 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.480 is standing up to Israel, and that will increase their 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.560 popularity among the people. And this isn't the first time 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:06.200 it's happened. This happened also in the previous conflict and 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:11.000 in much greater magnitude of order in the Second Lebanon War, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.120 and also in two thousand when Israel withdrew from Lebanon. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.760 That was also a big boon for Hesbla's popularity. Put 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.600 Hesbel on the verge of controlling the entire country, and 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.919 now with the Sietes being an even larger part of 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:30.560 the population for demographic reasons because people from other sectors 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.360 are leaving and because they have a higher birth rate, 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:39.520 this will possibly once again turn Hesbel onto the leading 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.200 political force in the country. 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.520 And that's due to Israeli policy. 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.200 And this is yeah, this is very important to underscore 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:48.840 shial and one of the reasons we wanted to get 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.160 into the nitty gritty is that this is vital to 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.960 the success or, at least it seems of any sort 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.880 of deal between the United States and Iran. A core 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.320 tenant of that was a ceasefire with Lebanon. Now as 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.960 you're explaining it, because I don't think people may understand 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.839 all of the details, is that these talks are between 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.520 the Lebanese government and the Israelis, but it is to 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.920 resolve fundamentally a Hezbolah problem which they have at least 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.119 a limited amount of control over from the Lebanese government, 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.800 or maybe no control at all, because the Hezbolah has 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.400 rejected this. So for some sort of tenable cease fire 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:25.320 to occur from the Israeli side, it would effectively mean 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.520 that the Lebanese government would have to agree to de 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:32.240 facto annexation, occupation and control of half of this country. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:36.840 Is that correct, That is correct, Yes, Lebanon, it would 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:41.600 have to completely surrender the sovereignty of part of the country. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.040 That is an Israeli demand. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.680 They're giving Lebanon a map and they're saying in the 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.880 south there's going to be three different zones, one where 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:53.240 we completely directly control and destroy everything, another one where 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.880 we have blink control, and one where Israel has the 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.720 ability to operate freely. There's no government in the world 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.520 that can agree to that formally, even if they agreed 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.680 to it the facto, which is also unlikely. Agreeing to 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:11.320 it formally is like you committing suicide for the government 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:15.200 of any sovereign nation. And you hit on another very 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.120 important point, which is that even if Lebanon wanted a ceasefire, 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.360 they can't have a ceasfire because the Lebanese government and 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.880 the Lebanes Army are not fighting against Israel. Hesbalis, the 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.880 Americans and Israelis know this perfectly well. So Lebanon can't 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.720 deliver what Israel is asking for even if it wanted to, 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.640 and it wouldn't want to because they want Israel to 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:41.640 leave its territory, as any sovereign nation would. So this 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.400 is really one of the most ridiculous negotiations imaginable between 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.160 a government that not only is not the one firing, 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.360 but also it isn't able to stop the firing, but 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:56.360 also it doesn't have the legitimacy to reach the deal 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.280 that the United States and Israel wanted to. So the 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.280 only reason Israel agreeing to this is because it gives 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.400 a cover to continue its operation in Lebanon with some 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:12.840 American support, because Americans have been pressured into stopping this 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.679 from some of their Arab allies. And that's the only 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.040 reason it exists. It's it's a fig leaf, and people 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.760 are talking about how staric it is and the whole 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:21.360 thing is a joke. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.240 Well, I was just going to say Reuter's headline coming 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:28.880 out of yesterday, US hosts Rare Israel Lebanon talks quote 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:33.200 progress unclear. And then as soon as we're done with 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.719 that headline, we can put the BBC headline from a 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.880 couple of days ago up on the screen, quote Israel 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.640 steps up strikes on Lebanon and HESBLA attacks continue as 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:46.800 talks loom. So to your point, shy'all, that's stunning. I mean, 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.679 if you're reading the tea leaves, and I'm curious for 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.240 your take on what we've heard after the meetings that 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.080 were hosted here in DC yesterday brokeer by Secretary of 0:09:55.080 --> 0:10:00.840 State Marco Rubio, it confirms you're just or it seems 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.160 to really confirm your suspicion that this is a fig leaf, 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.760 that this is a cover to continue with US TACIT 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.520 backing strikes in southern Lebanon. Is that what you're reading 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.680 after coming out of the last twenty four hours hearing 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.560 from israelis seeming to double down in their position after 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.559 they left the meeting. I mean, that's what it seemed 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.200 like to me. But I'm curious as an expert what 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:19.800 you made of it. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.800 Yeah, So regarding American motivations, to me, Frank, sometimes it 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.240 seems like the American officials making the decisions Michael Rubio 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:32.520 maybe doesn't fall into this category. Sometimes are too clueless 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.880 about the Middle East to really understand what they're doing. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:39.480 Sometimes what seems like being nefarious is actually complete ineptitude 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.040 on their part. From the Israeli point of view, they 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:50.040 know exactly what they're doing. They have no intention whatsoever 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:57.600 of stopping or slowing down. And yes, the level of 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.800 strikes that we're seeing in Lebanon greatly increased once the 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:06.120 United States reached a deal with Iran in order to 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:11.079 try to derail it. They wanted this war anyway, and 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:12.960 this isn't the reason for the war in order to 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.199 in order to derail it, but that's a great bonus 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.920 that they can get to derail it. So a thig 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:23.080 leaf is even being charitable. Israel is using this war 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:27.280 in these negotiations as a means of sabotaging the wider 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:35.200 Iranian deal, and they are offering Lebanon basically what they 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.960 are going to enforce either way, which is carving up 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:43.400 their entire country. So yes, the whole thing is a 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.959 fig leaf, and it's a joke, and I am almost 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.760 surprised that Lebanon is agreeing to this. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:51.000 They must be. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.960 Under a lot of pressure from other countries, France, the 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.840 United States, some of their some of their Arab partners 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:02.320 to do this because they're fully aware of what Israel 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.160 is doing. The only country that benefits from the existence 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.880 of these talks, aside from the United States is Israel. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.679 They're basically lev is basically legitimizing what it's doing, even 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.640 if they're not agreeing to it, just by talking to them. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.880 That's an important point. Now, child, here's the big question. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.320 If they agree to some sort of a ceasefire, which 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:25.000 is occupation control of half of the country, how would 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.640 Iran view that? Iran And because ultimately they have to 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.479 see it as a ceasefire not just of on Hezbolah, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.160 but of not de facto occupation control, is that acceptable 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.480 to them? Like, is this such a long term problem 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.160 that any tenable solution either would include Israeli withdrawal or 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:43.960 the continuation of the war. How do you see that? 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:50.800 Well, to the Iranians, they absolutely can't agree to Israel 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:58.199 achieving these goals officially, but unofficially for Iran this is 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:04.120 a good thing. Unofficially for Iran, this strengthens Hesbela and 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.480 the grip that they have on Lebanon at a time 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:13.800 when they were very, very weak. You know, after the 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:18.679 last round of conflict. Israel had won that round. They 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.400 managed to get a ceasefire that was very much on 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:28.800 American Israeli terms, and they managed to convince a lot 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.720 of people in Lebanon that, of course Israel is aggressive 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:37.240 towards Lebanon. But Hesbela brought on Israeli aggression by getting 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.240 involved in a war when Israel was at its most 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.480 vengeful point after October seventh. So it looked like a 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:48.200 terrible strategic mistake for Hesbelon, for Lebanon what had happened, 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:55.600 But Israel squandered that by breaking the ceasefire repeatedly and 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.800 by now trying to completely destroy it appears a state 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.600 of Lebanon. This is all great for Iran. You know, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.560 Iran was really on the rock before this war, but 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:14.720 this war has paradoxically revived their fortunes in the Middle East. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.920 Right now, between demographics and what Israel's doing, Hesbela are 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.840 set to become once again the most important force in 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.160 the country in a way that they haven't been since 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:30.200 twenty twenty three. And that really allows Iran once again 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:36.600 to rebuild its network of proxies, and with the support 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.880 they now have from China and Russia, we actually could 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:44.400 see Iran be the strongest that it's been in several years. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.400 They have other problems because Syria is now also starting 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.000 to invade Lebanon. 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:51.640 Israel's invading Lebanon, but. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:56.840 That will make Hesbeala the resistance there to all these 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:01.680 all this imperialism against Lebanon. Either support has Bella or 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:06.360 leave increasingly, that's all very good for Iran, so Ieran 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.240 is going to want to see this through. They don't 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.080 necessarily actually want to cease fire in Lebanon. De'll say 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.360 that they do, but this is a process that plays 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:15.120 into their hands. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.160 Makes sense. Well, chyl thank you very much for your time. 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.720 Really enlightening and very interesting. Thank you, Thank you so much. 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:26.560 Always a pleasure. Good to see you. Joining us now 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.840 is Lauren Conlin. She's the East Coast contributor for LA magazine. Lauren, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:31.400 thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate your 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:32.080 time so. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.360 Or thank you for having me and covering this story. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.520 Yeah, so let's talk. I mean, we've had a great 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.800 amount of interest, a lot of inquiries around all of 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.840 these missing scientists and some of these mysterious circumstances. Let's 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.480 put this latest one up here on the screen. We 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.880 have a missing nuclear official becomes the tenth person tied 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.760 to this dark pattern surrounding us secret So top line, Lauren, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.200 you've actually dug into the circumstances of these Is this 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.320 a real story or is the Daily Mail or the 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.080 tabloids are they making it out than it should be 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:02.720 or should we all really be paying attention. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.160 I mean, I think we should all be paying attention. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.840 I think this is very important that this is coming 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.640 to light. So I think the people that say, oh, well, 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.080 you know, it's a coincidence because this happened in twenty 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.280 twenty two. This happened in twenty nineteen. No one was 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.520 paying attention then. But we're paying attention now. And what 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.960 we're seeing is a pattern. And I don't want to 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:26.400 sound cliche here, because I think what's going on beyond 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:30.800 some of the mysterious circumstances of these deaths or of 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:35.120 these disappearances, you know, we're seeing names like Michael David Hicks, 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.480 who was a NASA scientist, And you know, off the 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.200 top of my head, I'm like, well, I don't necessarily 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.280 think that it's so odd that there's no cause of 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.960 death listed. He didn't have an autopsy. You know, we 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.960 don't know his religion, et cetera. But then when you 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:53.600 see a pattern, you know, someone else whose deaths kind 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.440 of echoed that, like Frank Maywold, you have to wonder 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.000 is it one possible? 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:01.120 And I'm speculating. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.400 You know, they did take their own life, and this 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.320 is because out of respect for the family, they don't 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:07.200 want this out there. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.200 Or is it the elephant in the room here? Is 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:11.439 is it something bigger? 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.919 Is it something connected to the government where these people 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.240 have a lot of classified information, you know, And I 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.080 don't even want to I've gotten a lot of heat 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:24.800 for saying that, and I want to be clear, I 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.400 don't have proof of anything, but I am just saying 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.200 the elephant in the room. 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.800 The government is not above this, and it doesn't always 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.359 go through the president. The president doesn't always. 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.840 Know what that means. They are gone, right, And so 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:40.520 I go. 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:44.120 Back to saying, you know, Tim Burchett, love him, love 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.399 the guy, but he's like President Trump will disrupt, he 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.879 will do this. Okay, go for it. We'll all be waiting. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.840 I just don't see that happening. President Clinton said he 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.520 wanted to release the JFK files, you know, also the 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:01.320 UFO files that never happened. Obama, you know, really wanted 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:05.040 to release the UAP files. Talks very highly about Area 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.720 fifty one. Nothing happened there. There's a reason for that, guys. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.320 And I know that whistleblowers have come out and said 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.199 that we might be ready. Right as a society, we 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.840 might be ready. I think it's twofold. I think it's 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.840 a tough answer. What I will say why we want 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.080 more transparency now and why the House Oversight Committee is 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.960 demanding these forty six UAP videos is because we are 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.640 at war, guys. I mean it is very important because 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.679 if you look at this list of videos, you know 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:40.119 they do indicate some videos or I'm sorry, some UAPs 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.800 are flying over Iran in twenty twenty two Syria one 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.800 shape like the cigar. We're talking about conflict areas. So 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.600 we are not able to tell in real time if 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.879 this is a drone, if this is a UAP, or 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.320 if this is some kind of enemy defense. And so 0:18:55.720 --> 0:19:00.200 I think that you know, us getting transparency it he 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.840 a big, big difference in whether or not we face 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:04.680 disaster or defense. 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.640 Well, let's get this next headline up on the screen. 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.520 This is from the New York Post last week on 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.560 the case of Michael Hicks, another mysterious NASA death, as 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.280 ninth scientists linked to secret programs dies now, in the 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.119 case of Michael Hicks. This death was in July of 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.000 twenty twenty three. The Post reports, quote it is unclear 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.400 if there's any foul play linked to hicks As death, 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.399 but his obituary asks for donations in his memory to 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:30.080 go to alcoholics anonymous. He joins eight other scientists or 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.000 top officials who have died or disappeared recently. A couple 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.399 of things I just want to zero in just from 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.760 that last paragraph. First of all, the evidence of foul 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.359 play limited in this case, looks like they're asking for 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:46.040 donations to alcoholics anonymous. Secondly, when they say quote recently, 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:48.639 this is a death back in twenty twenty three, people 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.439 are going into the records, doing what journalists should do 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.560 and trying to connect the dots see if there are 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.800 any more dots to be found. Frankly, so are there 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:00.600 similarities that stand out in these cases? 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.120 I have seen a couple of them where it. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:07.960 Seems like maybe there's a substance pre existing substance condition 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.880 but that doesn't or substance abuse condition, but we don't 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.760 have any confirmation. We don't know what that actually could 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:17.200 mean in the context of the deaths and disappearances. Even 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.600 that question of which of these are deaths and which. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:20.880 Of these are disappearances. 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:22.880 Now that we're up to ten, it's sort of all 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.000 hard to wrap your head around. So maybe help us 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.000 find patterns that you've noticed. 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.240 Yeah, you're right about that, and we don't have enough info. 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.560 I am in the process of reaching out to certain 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:36.600 family members that I can find some of these deaths, though, 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.639 and I'm talking specifically about the deaths that we are 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.040 one hundred percent confirmed on, Like Carl Grillmer, these are 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.440 very fresh. I don't feel, you know, as a human being, 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.200 just you know, comfortable reaching out to a widow right away, 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.080 right But you know, Michael David Hicks, it's been a 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.359 few years, and I go back to saying, I don't 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:01.280 necessarily think that his death is direct connected to let's say, 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:05.200 General mccaslin's death. I think Michael David Hicks's death could 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:09.240 be more connected to Frank Maywald and possibly yes, they 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:13.240 were dealing with substance abuse issues and that could be 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.600 connected to everything that they were working on that they knew, and. 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:20.800 I don't have proof of that, but go ahead, Can. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.080 You just explain a little bit If people aren't super 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.960 familiar like General mccasklin. We you and I are familiar 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.399 Frank Maywold as well. What were they working on? What's 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:30.560 the possible connection? Because you've done a great job of 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:34.119 actually highlighting the suspicious circumstances around these Yeah. 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.520 So Frank Maywald, he was a NASA JPL scientist. He 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:41.479 was a principal researcher at NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab, and 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.760 so he was trying to detect signs of human life 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.560 on other planets. I obviously don't know what he found. 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.680 He knows what he found. I'm assuming of a handful 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.320 of people know what he found. I don't think Congress 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:57.760 knew what he found, but I don't know. And Carl 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.720 Grillmer what I will say about his death. I connect 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:04.080 Carl grill Mayer's Oh I'm sorry, let's go back. I 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:08.520 will say Neil mccaslin's death. General Neil McCaslin, he was 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.359 retired Air Force general, and he retired a number of 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:15.800 years ago. But he was stationed at one point at 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:19.080 Wright Patterson that's in Ohio, And if you're not familiar, 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:24.080 reportedly they hold extraterrestrial debris from the nineteen forty seven 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.720 Roswell crash there again, I've never seen it with my 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.720 own eyes. But he also worked with Monica Rasa there, 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:34.680 and she was a rocket science She co patented the 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.800 Mondoloi or co invented the Mondeloy. So she was very 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:44.080 very intelligent, as was General McCaslin. And Monica Raisa disappeared 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.120 while hiking in June of twenty twenty five in California, 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.440 and Neil McCaslin disappeared in February of twenty twenty five, 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.680 just walking out of his house in Albuquerque, New Mexico. 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:59.560 So these are months apart. Monica Raisa gives me chills. 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.760 Number One, she seemed to have disappeared into thin air. 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:06.000 She was behind a friend or two while hiking about 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:08.159 thirty feet. It's kind of like they look back and 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.679 they're like hey, and then a second later, or I 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.240 don't even know, you know, a minute later, she's gone 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:17.639