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Speaker 1: The NFL Draft has come and gone, and twelve and

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Speaker 1: a half percent of all players drafted came from the

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Speaker 1: Conference of Champions to Pack twelve. What happens to those

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Speaker 1: underclassmen that came out that don't get drafted. It's gotta

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Speaker 1: be a rough life. The n C double A is

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Speaker 1: like Blockbuster Video. It's going out of business, except they're

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Speaker 1: trying to stay in business with name, image and likeness legislation.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with all the high school decommits and

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Speaker 1: defections to the G League? Basketball recruiting is up and

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Speaker 1: it's very international. I'm George Rice Stir with Ralph Ampston

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Speaker 1: Got a great show. Let's get to it. Ralph, if

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Speaker 1: I told you that twelve and a half percent of

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Speaker 1: would you, gys say that that was an acceptable number?

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Speaker 1: That's an eighth right, go to it. Yeah, and we're

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Speaker 1: the We're the conference that allows the most citizens of

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Speaker 1: its territories to partake in uh in in legal THHC consumption.

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Speaker 1: Is that is that true? Yeah? Alright, then yeah it

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Speaker 1: makes sense to me. I'm saying, is it an acceptable number?

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Speaker 1: If if you are Larry Scott or you are whoever else,

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Speaker 1: are you happy with the fact that twelve and a

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Speaker 1: half per cent of your players were drafted? I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a strong showing. I know that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know that you feel like there's a couple of

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Speaker 1: genuinely surprised by some of the pack towel players that

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Speaker 1: like it was good representation. I mean, we hit that

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Speaker 1: this is a good this is a good draft for us.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a lot to talk about. But no,

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Speaker 1: I I felt I felt pretty good about there. At

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Speaker 1: no point was I like, all right, their scouts didn't

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Speaker 1: do their job, they didn't see these guys. Uh, for

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Speaker 1: a lot of them. It was just some of these

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Speaker 1: kind of outsmarting themselves on picks like they do every

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Speaker 1: single year. There's a few guys that I always feel

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Speaker 1: to take upside guys. Right, that's the arrogance of coaching.

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Speaker 1: Give me the bigger piece of play, and I'll create

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Speaker 1: the better piece of art. Yep, give me the unfinished

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Speaker 1: it works in the Pactwell's favorite. But for the most part,

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Speaker 1: So the Pactwell had three players drafted in the first round.

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Speaker 1: if this kid's prophetic, it's his fault. We lost the franchise, right, Yes, right,

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Speaker 1: That's I didn't even connect that dots round people living,

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Speaker 1: I knew that there was that potential. Wasn't sure if

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Speaker 1: like Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Lincoln Riley draft, which is

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Speaker 1: what all the drafts are turning into like. But the

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Speaker 1: that was the biggest surprise of the entire draft for me,

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Speaker 1: it all kind of I don't know it ebbs and flows,

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Speaker 1: they tried to sneak him right before he signed his

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Speaker 1: letter of intent. Can you imagine if he would have

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Speaker 1: was nice to be able to see him play in

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Speaker 1: the Pact. Well, I know you probably feel differently after

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Speaker 1: what he did to Oregon's secondary. It's it's over, Like

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Speaker 1: there's no reason to hate Arizona State anymore because the

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Speaker 1: season is over. It's true, entire school years over. Next year,

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Speaker 1: order will be restored, so nobody cares. I loved the

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Speaker 1: Austin Jackson picked to Miami because I had some of

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Speaker 1: Austin Jackson's boys telling me I was an idiot for

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Speaker 1: hoping that he'd got over all of the cardinals, um,

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Speaker 1: like I think, I think everything is in front of him.

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Speaker 1: He's extremely athletic. That this guy that he's like six

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Speaker 1: He's very strong, he's a good person. He's super young

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Speaker 1: because he came out early. He played in a system

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Speaker 1: that's kind of all the rage right now as people

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Speaker 1: because there's also that thing of what you know, if

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Speaker 1: And obviously Miami, you know, last time they dipped into

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Speaker 1: and that didn't necessarily work out for them. They tried

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Speaker 1: just figure out what to do with Austin Jackson. I

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Speaker 1: think he can play guard or tackle. Um I love

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Speaker 1: this kid man. I went out to watch him play

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Speaker 1: he lived like forty five minutes one way away from

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Speaker 1: up for and I'm I'm bruting for him big time

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Speaker 1: in Miami because he's a real good dude. And then

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Speaker 1: the Brandon I Yuk thing is just that's all upside

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Speaker 1: as well. UM. I know that there was probably some

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Speaker 1: to be the deepest wide receiver draft. Um ever, why

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Speaker 1: they would pick a guy who's kind of largely on

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Speaker 1: I I like the pick, but it again, you're coming

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Speaker 1: in with a limited amount of fundamentals and he didn't

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Speaker 1: So this is one of those where you know the

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Speaker 1: g ms are the GM is just trying to be

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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit too smart. But but Fred Gammage,

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Speaker 1: who used to play wide receiver at Arizona State, got

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Speaker 1: scouting department into San Francisco Scouting Department. So it's probably

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Speaker 1: we got this guy out in Tempe and you are

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Speaker 1: never gonna believe his level of talent. If you can

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Speaker 1: But I do think both the I Youth pick and

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Speaker 1: the Austin Jackson pick, do they do bring some risk.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel the same way about Justin Herbert though. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if you look at the youth pick though, the

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Speaker 1: players that went before him, that mean there was a

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Speaker 1: and if you look who was left behind him, T. T. Higgins,

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Speaker 1: I think he just left for he had to have

429
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Speaker 1: left for some other reason, because I can't see anything

430
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: that pointed to that he was going to be a

431
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: draft pick. And when he ran his forty at the

432
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: combine and it wasn't like four three or low four four,

433
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that sealed his faith. It was

434
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: like I I hoped that he would that is measurables

435
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: would be so off the chart that you'd be like, Okay,

436
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: some somebody would take a flyer on him, because you

437
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: know it's it's that, um you uh, Colorado's team wasn't

438
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: very good, so you would be surprised. But I would

439
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: agree with you that Stanford only having to draft picks,

440
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: you're like, and especially considering that they had how many

441
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: players transfer, like fifteen or something like that they were seniors. Yeah,

442
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: and and also like Stanford, like Washington, recruits at a

443
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: very high level, so they're they're still getting very good

444
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: players and so yeah, and then then you have all

445
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: the players leave who could have potentially been draft eligible

446
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: and maybe stuck around, and then that that whole thing

447
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: is remains very weird. And time will tell on whether

448
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: or not, um it's the beginning of the end for

449
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: David Shaw or if that's just a matter of what

450
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: we've been told. As far as grad school stuff. But um, yeah,

451
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: I I look at Washington. You know, I was saying, oh, man,

452
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals might get Trey Adams in the fourth round.

453
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: And Trey Adams went undrafted, which was a surprise. You

454
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: and I both agreed. We're talking on the phone during

455
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: the draft. Nick Harris probably should be a third round pick.

456
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: But he's a guy who his senior year. A lot

457
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: of his senior year was spent watching him try to

458
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: get up off the turf unsuccessfully, And nobody likes to

459
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: see their opposite lineman on the ground. I play with

460
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: a guy who shall remain name listen because I worked

461
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: with him now times in radio. But um, I just

462
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: don't want to call him out like that. But he

463
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: knows that because I call him. We talked about it

464
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: in private. This dude when I was playing in Jacksonville,

465
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: this dude was on the ground so much as a tackle,

466
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: like we would have to scrape him up every play,

467
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: even on successful places, Like how are you always on

468
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: the ground? Like this is redamndiculous. But I think we

469
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: should go through each team individually so there's nothing to

470
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: go over for Arizona Arizona State, we already covered I you,

471
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: but I know that you were, like, damn their heartbroken

472
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: by the Eno Benjamin all the way in the seventh round.

473
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: But I guess the only saving grace is the fact

474
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: that he did go to the Arizona Cardinals, so he

475
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: gets to stay home at least. I mean, yeah, so

476
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: you'll you'll appreciate this. He uh, he got with some

477
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: of the some of the people who used to be

478
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: grassroots for Adidas who you who um you know, have

479
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: helped kind of shepherd his his uh um young professional career.

480
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: He started his own brand, and he he was working

481
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: on his personal branding while he was at Arizona State.

482
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: And one of the things that he wanted to be

483
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: known as he always said, I want to be the

484
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: most hated man in Tucson. And he even has like

485
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: a clothing line um that he has out there that

486
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: they gave some love to on espn UM. But that's that,

487
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: you know, is says like most hated in Tucson and

488
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: stuff like that. When the Arizona Cardinals pick him up,

489
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: Like Tucson is full of Arizona Cardinals fans. So it's

490
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where, uh, it kind of

491
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: hit the his his marketing of his personal brand is

492
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: backfiring a little bit, but I think it's a fantastic fit.

493
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury was recruiting the state of Texas when you

494
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: know Benjamin was playing high school football in the state

495
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: of Texas. He knows what he can bring. You saw,

496
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: you know, I saw. You know. We both know why

497
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: his production dipped as a junior. I do not fault

498
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: him for coming out early because we know how her

499
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: Edwards likes to burn the rubber off the tires of

500
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: these running backs. I mean, I'm not blaming her Edwards

501
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: for this, but I see the stuff Larry Johnson tweets,

502
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: and I always go back and look at that season

503
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: that he had more than four hundred carries and think

504
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: to myself, Uh, is this dude tweeting crazy stuff because

505
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: her Edwards ran him forty times a game or what.

506
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: And So you know, I don't fault you know, I

507
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: think he ended up in a good situation. Yeah, and

508
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: and and sometimes fit is m more important than draft status,

509
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: even though draft status typically means more money, more prestige.

510
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna running back is a different position

511
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: than wide receiver or cornerback or where wherever you're going

512
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: to get carries. And if he comes in he plays

513
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: special teams, he will be just fine. He'll make that roster.

514
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: I think the fumbles the it hurt him a little bit,

515
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: but he's a good back and he can make people

516
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: missing space, so I think that he will have a

517
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: successful career. On to Cal. Cal had three draft picks.

518
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: Um started with the guy everybody expected to get picked

519
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: first from cal Ashton Davis, even though it was a

520
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: little bit later because he was a pick um a

521
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: third rounder. And then they had Jalen Hawkins, another safety

522
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: fourth round one thirty four, and then Evan Weaver sixth

523
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: round two oh two, who was the Pack twelve defensive

524
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: Player of the year. Um. I thought that that boated

525
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: well form for my boy, uh, Gerald Alexander who shameless

526
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: plug if you listen to the George Restter podcast and

527
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve apostles where we had a great interview

528
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: with with him. Uh. He was the dB coach at Cal.

529
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: His guys got off the board pretty early, and then

530
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: Evan Weaver went at two oh two. How would you

531
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: judge Cal's draft? Um, I'm a I'm a little bit

532
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: confused as to what the hell happened with trev On Beck.

533
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: I thought that he was worth some consideration, and uh,

534
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't even think he's signed a free agent contract

535
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: at this point. Um. You know, I don't know if

536
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: he just didn't test well or you know, if there

537
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: were some behind the scenes uh issues with him, but

538
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, he he's somebody who he was very disappointed

539
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: after the draft, and he tweeted, anybody that's ever been

540
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: guarded by me has never caught a touchdown or caught

541
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: a pass over eighteen yards except for Labisca Chenault one

542
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: past twenty three yards. Lowest passer rating allowed in the

543
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: pack twelve, second highest graded slot defender in the country,

544
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: fifth ranked in lowest yards per coverage snap. I don't

545
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: even know what that means. He got a hundred sixty

546
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: two retweets on this and still no no team picked

547
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: him up, So that one was a little bit weird

548
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: for me. Uh. I love the Weaver pick the the

549
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: The Ashton Davis one is UM is my favorite because

550
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: that's a that's your football guy always says if you

551
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: are good enough, they'll find you. UM and Ashton Davis

552
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: is a name that you need to scream back in

553
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: the face of whoever says that, because sometimes you need

554
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: to get yourself found because the truth is, people fall

555
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: through the cracks, and he was one of those people

556
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: and he was able to turn it around and and

557
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: become the pick in the NFL draft off of beat. Yeah,

558
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: we'll be in a walk on. So everything it drives

559
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: That's one of the football phrases that drives me nuts.

560
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: If you're good enough, they'll find you, like they might

561
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: not though, like sometimes they miss you a big market

562
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: on a big team, Yeah, big with other good people

563
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: around you, because sometimes they're looking for the other people

564
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: and then you jump off the film. Yeah, I mean

565
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: why is it? Why is it that the same people

566
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: who say that star ratings don't matter are are also

567
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: the people who say if you're good enough, they'll find you.

568
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: Because neither one of those things is true. Uh, And

569
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: it's just it if people, if more people were out

570
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: there scouting Ashton Davison could see what he could do,

571
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: because he definitely had some tools, then you know, maybe

572
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been in that position. But also sometimes

573
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: it's that that sort of treatment early on that gives

574
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: people the hunger to succeed. Yeah for sure. And yeah,

575
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: You're stars do matter because it just so happens that

576
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: the teams with the most five stars so happy to

577
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: always be in the college football player right and and

578
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: half the first round is almost always people who are

579
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: five stars coming to high school. And some of that

580
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: stuff is just super obvious, like, oh, that's the biggest

581
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: fastest kid in the country. Yeah, and you And that

582
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're not that you cannot become a

583
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: first round pick. It's just it just so happens that

584
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: the kids who kind of peeking are in that five

585
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: star high four star range that they just so happened

586
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: to pan out like big. It's almos. It's almost like,

587
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: if you have the biggest, fastest, strongest kids, yes, some

588
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: of them are going to pan out. And granted some

589
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: people they're like bloomers and all of that, but you know,

590
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: it's stars. But stars can't save you. If that, if

591
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: that makes sense, you still gotta go out and ball out.

592
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: Um Colorado would Oh the the Evan Weaver. We didn't

593
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: talk about Evan Weaver. I don't think Evan Weavers gonna

594
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: be there great of a pro that he's too slow. Yeah,

595
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: I just don't see him as a okay, but all right, okay,

596
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: but they did they did put they did put le

597
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: Lecky photo in front of him. Scooby right, they try

598
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: to play on the D line. He's a little bit

599
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: too small for that to go up against NFL defense.

600
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: He last said a couple of years in the NFL, though,

601
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: if you got Lucky Foe two in front of you,

602
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: you gotta feel like Evan Weaver is gonna be free

603
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: to do something right, Like you think Lucky Polto is

604
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: going to be a good NFL player. Oh, I do,

605
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: ah arms man, and I'm always concerned about d lineman

606
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: with short arms. He's six six, three thousand pounds. He's

607
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: a he's an elephant seal. He just needs to fall

608
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: towards them. He's a big man. I don't know. I

609
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: I love those Rugby playing defensive lineman. All right, Um,

610
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: Colorado's lone draft pick of Lavishka Channal. I think we're

611
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: both in the in the camp of that. This was

612
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: a good pick and that and he went in the

613
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: forty forty second overall to the Jaguars, where he will

614
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: be teaming up with Gardner minshow at quarterback. Um I

615
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: played for the Jacks. I don't love everything that's going

616
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: on down there offensively, but I mean, but should not

617
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: should I think he'll be able to make an impact

618
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: as a rookie. Yeah, they'll probably ruin him. I mean

619
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: I that's where good things go to waste. I just

620
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: want good things for him. He's another guy like Nick Harris.

621
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes he doesn't get up, but his injuries always seem

622
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: to be like super gross, freak weird things that come

623
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: with being the one that every single person on the

624
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: defense is trying to hit as hard as they can

625
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: every single time. And so man is the focal point.

626
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: But he doesn't have to be the focal point anymore.

627
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: I just want to see him shine. Okay, now we're

628
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: on Oregon. Oregon had four draft picks. Obviously we already

629
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: covered Justin Herbert, but then came Troy Died in the

630
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: fourth round, who was one of Oregon's all time leading

631
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: tacklers one thirty two to the Vikings, then right after

632
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: him for in the fifth round, Shane Lemieux, one of

633
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: their guards, fifth round one fifty, and then Jake Hansen

634
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: Um sixth round two oh six. What did you think

635
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: about their draft and the fact that Calvin Throckmayer did

636
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: not get drafted. Um through through Morton you and I.

637
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: I was confused when we were on the phone during

638
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: the draft. I thought I'd seen that he was drafted.

639
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: My guy A J. Jacobsen, who is uh duck sports authority.

640
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: He said that that was the first time he'd ever

641
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: been wrong about an Oregon offensive lineman. He fully believed

642
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: that he would be a an NFL draft pick, and

643
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: I love a J. I trust what he says, so

644
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: that could be a big steal um get and him

645
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: as a U d F A. I like the Troy

646
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: Die pick a lot. I think that Mike Zimmer is

647
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: somebody whom I think. I think the two of them

648
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: will kind of mind meld and he'll be able to

649
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: do some special things. I got a pretty good laugh

650
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: um out of our boy Woody Womack tweeting about them, saying,

651
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: who was it That was a Bucky that said, uh

652
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: that um that Troy question Troy Die Dies love of football? No, no, no, no,

653
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: it was Louis Riddick. Riddick. Yeah, I got a pretty

654
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: I got a pretty good kick out of Woody Womack

655
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: tweeting that Lewis Riddick said that and then uh, and

656
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: then everyone interpreting all the Oregon fans interpreting it as wood.

657
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: He was saying it, so all of a sudden, what

658
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: he's getting yelled at by a bunch of people from Oregon,

659
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: And he's from Oregon. And so it's like a bunch

660
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: of people with the simple similar temperament all getting on

661
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: each other's nerves. And and it wasn't even it wasn't

662
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: even what his fault. And and but like people weren't

663
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: willing to relent. They're like, no, this is I'm not

664
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: saying this is your fault, but I'm definitely gonna blame

665
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: you for it. So I got a pretty good laugh.

666
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: And it was even said it was a weird thing

667
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: to say, watchington game. He broke his thumb, or broke

668
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: his thumb hand, something goes into back, gets a cast,

669
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: put on, breaks the cast, get another cast, put On

670
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: finishes the game, misses the game, and then finishes the

671
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: entire season playing with a cast on his hand, and

672
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: somebody saying, I wonder how much he loves football. I

673
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: got to ask him questions after they held off a

674
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: s U I want to say in the teen game

675
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: up in Austen and I got to ask him some

676
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: questions at PACT twelve media day, and I gotta say, man,

677
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: both times I walked away from talking to him. It

678
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that guy really loves football, Like I

679
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: never thought anything else. He's somebody who was there for

680
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, he played all four years. He was always

681
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: on the field. Um. He just seemed like he really

682
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: of being an Oregon Duck. And so that was that

683
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: was confused. And I saw a couple of people are like, hey,

684
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't have to talk. If you don't know

685
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: anything about the guy, you can just shut up. And well,

686
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, the draft day run runs long and sometimes

687
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: you you know, run players together. Um, Oregon State, we

688
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: kind of covered them ever so slightly. They had um

689
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: Jake Luton, he went to the Jaguars. I just don't

690
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: see him playing at all. And then they had their

691
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, Blake Brando. He went to Minnesota six round

692
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: two oh three. Oh, Luton was six round. And then

693
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: Isaiah Hodgens six round two oh seven to Buffalo. Uh,

694
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: that's a horrible place for him to go because food

695
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: got a running back. Playing quarterback, Hodgens has a massive

696
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: catch radius and it's gonna go a long way to

697
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: helping Josh Allen not have to be super accurate with

698
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: some of his throws. I love that Buffalo is trying

699
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 1: to help my guy out there out and I hope

700
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: that Hodgens blows up. And I fundamentally disagree with you

701
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: on what Josh Allen is. It's only because he's in Wyoming.

702
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: He's from Wyoming a little bit. But I mean, I've

703
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: he's also real fun. To tell me you didn't have

704
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: fun watching him completely implode in that playoff game and

705
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: then bring them back and then implode again. That was

706
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: the most fun I've had watching football. I cannot wait

707
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: to watch that guy play again. Dude, See it was Yes,

708
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: I would say I'd rather enjoyed it. I enjoyed all

709
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: of the implosion because it was just vindication every time

710
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm right, okay. So Josh Allen never

711
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: does anything where you're like, WHOA Like, he doesn't he

712
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't give you that, because that that that's my thing.

713
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: He's a he's in he's a you know, he's a

714
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: tight end playing quarterback. And yes, he'll he'll make some

715
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: good runs. He'll run over people who jump over somebody's

716
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: and he's got a rocket for an arm. Too bad,

717
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: it's not accurate. So yes, sometimes he does make plays

718
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: that are spectacular. But I'm like, ha um, if you

719
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: do it once, it's an accident. You do it twice,

720
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: then you can really do it. Okay. So speaking of

721
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: running backs, and Josh Allen isn't one, but speaking of

722
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: running backs, uh, here's one that I really have my

723
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: eye on our Tavis Pierce signed undrafted free agent contract

724
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: with Chicago Bears. I think it was a great spot

725
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: for him, and I think he has a potential to

726
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: maybe stick on a practice squad and and potentially get

727
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: a shot on the road. He's a he's a good back.

728
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: He's a good back, and he had the chance to

729
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: split carries this year. I think he's got a shot.

730
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: I would agree with you there. Um. Next team up

731
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: the Stanford Cardinal UM. The man who everybody will talking

732
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: about prior to the year, uh, six ft twelve tight

733
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: end Kobe Kobe Parkinson. He went number one, one thirty

734
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: three to the Seattle Seahawks. UM. He had a very

735
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: underwhelming year, and they also had who else got drafted

736
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: from Stanford UM Kobe Parkinson and oh oh, and Casey

737
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: to Hill, the outside linebacker, seventh round, number two, thirty three,

738
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: UM Kobe Parkinson. I mean he underwhelmed this this year.

739
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: Didn't make a lot of big catches, even though they

740
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: threw the ball to him a lot, especially in difficult situations.

741
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: I didn't think he brought enough of them down. I

742
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: think he's too tall to play. I think he's too

743
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: tall to play in the NFL, like at tight end.

744
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: He's enormous. I think they try to put thirty pounds

745
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: on him and move him to tackle or what because

746
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: he's I don't think he's physical enough to get Yeah,

747
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: he's got some athleticism though six ft seven, he's a

748
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: six seven dude with a thirty three inch vertical. They've

749
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: got to be able to make some use of him.

750
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: Is not that big of a vertical, I mean seven,

751
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not even just six seven. He's like

752
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: six seven seven eight like something. So basically, I mean

753
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: he's enormous. I mean like he tall. I mean like

754
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: he's taller than Gronk and gronks tall. I want to

755
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: check something real quick, because I remember I was a

756
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: big Leonard Pope fan, and he came in the NFL

757
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: at six eight, and he never really did anything because

758
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: he couldn't get low enough to to block some dudes.

759
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to see if I can look up

760
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: his combine and see where he was at in relation

761
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: to Parkinson, because Parkinson ran a four seven seven. Let's

762
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: see here Leonard Pope combine stats. He had a thirty

763
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: seven inch vertical and ran up four six so he

764
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: is two tenths of a second faster, so he's even

765
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more athletic, and he couldn't get it

766
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: figured out. So it's maybe it's possible you can just

767
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: be a little bit too big to to really fit

768
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: at that position. Or maybe Stanford was not as flattering

769
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: of a situation for him as it should have been,

770
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: and maybe he'll blow up in Seattle. Who knows. Mhm

771
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: m hm m hmm. Okay, you don't think of anybody

772
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: can find a way to make use of him. It's

773
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, I guess, I mean, I guess, yes, yes,

774
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: but well, considering that Russell Wilson made um they're they're

775
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: tight end last year I forgot his name. Um hey,

776
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: he was like the four string tight end made made

777
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: him good. Then yeah, um okay onto U c l

778
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: A U c l A players drafted three ralph the

779
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: team that you hated on all year. So they had

780
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: Devine tight End go to the Patriots third round number

781
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: ninety one. Who I liked him. His numbers weren't great

782
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: because people always kids when they come out in the draft.

783
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: I always get caught numbers, numbers, numbers, I'm what, what

784
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: are what are my numbers? Nobody gives a damn about

785
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: your numbers. They care about what do they believe your talent? Can?

786
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: Can they take your talent to the next level? Can

787
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: you help them win? They don't care about all that.

788
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: Then they had Darnay Holmes fourth round one ten and

789
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly fourth round one twelve, and out of those guys,

790
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: I thought Darnay Homes should have stayed in school, even

791
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: though he did end up uh higher in the first round,

792
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm in the fourth round picked to the Giants. I

793
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: didn't love it because I didn't think he had a

794
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: good year. I thought that he could have made himself

795
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: a ount of money by coming back and having a

796
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: good senior year. Yeah, I um. I liked the Darnay

797
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: Holmes pick outside of size. To me, he has everything

798
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: and if you can make if you can get him

799
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: on special teams and you can make him your nickel.

800
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: I think he could do some pretty cool stuff and

801
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: I think the Giants would be a good place for him.

802
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: Um So I like that pick. Devin ASSISI at one

803
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: uh felt stupid. It felt it felt stupid because they

804
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: traded up didn't need to. I never understand what Bill

805
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: Belichick's doing in the draft, to be honest, like they

806
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: they he took two tight ends in ten picks, both

807
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: of which I think he traded up for in that round,

808
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: and I didn't think either one of them was that

809
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: he didn't have any tight ends last year, and that

810
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, what having to capable tight ends who

811
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: can run and catch and block does for an offensive

812
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: It makes it extremely difficult on the defense to set

813
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: the strength to line up properly, especially if you're lined

814
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: up with one tight end on one side one tight

815
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: end on the other side. On the line of scrimmage,

816
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: they don't know where to set the strength of the defense,

817
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: and it makes it easier to um for the offense

818
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: to run the football because now they can choose where

819
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: the double teams are and all of that, they can

820
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: flip the play over very easily. And also it makes

821
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: it difficult for the defense to know what personnel to

822
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: be in because do they stay with it. Do they

823
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a pass play and they put

824
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: five dbs in? Do they put an extra linebacker in?

825
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there could be mismatches all over. Or if

826
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: you come and come out and just go empty set,

827
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: no running backs, I'm sorry, no backs in the backfield,

828
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: no tight ends attached? Now how do you line up?

829
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like there's so much that having good quality

830
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: tight ends does. And I think that Devinci we differ there,

831
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: Ralph and uh yeah, I think it's just you and

832
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: U c l A players that you just don't understand. No,

833
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: you didn't understand their team. You picked them for one

834
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: win and yeah, so whoa, it was like eight weeks

835
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: into the season before before you were able to make

836
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: fun of me about that whole So now here, here's

837
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: here's one of my issues. I feel like, as would

838
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: have been available later, I got really confused about the

839
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: run on tight ends in the third round, especially when

840
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: I had kind of fallen in love with that Adam

841
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: Troutman kid. That that um, all the scouts, all the

842
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: all the talking heads on ESPN that we're drooling over

843
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: from exactly. So you know, you see Dalton Keene from

844
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech, who had twenty one catches last year and

845
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: came out early get picked by the Patriots at one

846
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: on one. You saw Josiah Deguara from Cincinnati, UM, who

847
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: is definitely not somebody who's going to produce on the

848
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: offensive end, uh picked ninety four by the Green Bay Packers.

849
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: You saw a Siassi go um and he's somebody that

850
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: I really feel like they could have waited to get.

851
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: I feel like they could have gotten a run on

852
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: tight ends. That's why in what ten, twelve, thirteen, fourteen picks?

853
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: In fourteen picks there was four tight ends drafted because

854
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: Devin ASIASI was a guy that people had tabbed as, Oh,

855
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get him as a sleeper, and then when

856
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: they didn't get him, when when the Patriots traded up

857
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: to draft and they were like, oh, I gotta get

858
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: a guy now, So that that's how those runs happened.

859
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: I think I've noticed a lot of these guys early

860
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: early early exits from college. Isn't Assie he's a guy

861
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: who could have come back for his senior year. Cole Comet,

862
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: the first Um tight end taken. He was a junior UM.

863
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: Maybe that's just the premium because Dalton Keene was a

864
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: junior UM, the kid out of Missouri whose last name

865
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't even want to make an attempt on Albert,

866
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to pronounce it. Yeah, Alberto. He

867
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: was a he was a redshirt junior UM. So you

868
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: saw a lot of guys, uh, you know, Thaddius Moss

869
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: as a guy who probably should have stayed for his

870
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: senior year at l s U. UM. Just I think

871
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: the fact that that position such a premium got drafted

872
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: from l s U before Randy Moss's kid, I mean,

873
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: like he's not uber athletic, and and he also had

874
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: a I think he had a Jones fracture or something

875
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: like that that they found out about. Yeah. Yeah, So

876
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: I just a lot of a lot of these guys.

877
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: It It would be pretty wild to think that, you know,

878
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: five of the top ten tight ends could have all

879
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: come back and played college football next year. And then

880
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: he got a guy like Hunter Bryant who didn't get

881
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: drafted at all. But when you see that all the

882
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: guys that were drafted were juniors, you kind of understand

883
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: his gamble even though he's super undersized. Yeah, um, USC

884
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: two guys drafted Austin Jackson, which we talked about to Miami,

885
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: and then you had um Michael Pittman who went in

886
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: the second round to the Indianapolis Colts at the thirty

887
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: four pick. I think he is going to add a

888
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: lot of value in the NFL. I think he's a

889
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: good wide out. Colts is a good situation. Situation. He'll

890
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: only be stuck with bad Philip Rivers for for one year,

891
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: so then then he'll be back to having good seasons

892
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, I think I don't think it was

893
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: good for USC overall though only having to draft picks. Granted,

894
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: there was a first rounder and at early second rounder,

895
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: so that looks good, but having no players drafted beyond that,

896
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: that's a bad look for USC considering that the other

897
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: blue bloods they're getting players drafted and drafted and drafted. Yeah,

898
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: and to have a guy like Christian Rector, who they

899
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: really elevated and really promoted um as as being one

900
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: of their big time guys this year, to have him

901
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: not even sign anywhere as an undrafted free agent. That

902
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: does not speak volumes of the of the USC program

903
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: right now. I'm not surprised at how the draft went

904
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: from them, but to see Christian Rector not land anywhere

905
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: and not have a lot of interest in some of

906
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: their other players that that was, UM, that's very indicative

907
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: of how things have been going. Yeah. Yeah, they feel

908
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: very Florida state right now, like where it's a big name,

909
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: but the names just aren't flying off the board at

910
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: the same rate. So I do think it's for them

911
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: that they did have a first rounder. I think that

912
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: that's a big deal, but UM having two players drafted

913
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: is not where USC really wants to be. UM the

914
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: team that dominated the Pack twelve Awards also kind of

915
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, like the two teams that were in the

916
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: Pack twelve championship game had the most team guys drafted,

917
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: Oregon Befour and Utah with six. I mean, I would

918
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: say six players drafted for Utah is a quality draft.

919
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: They had Jalen Johnson, the dB who coming into the

920
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: season we thought could be a first round or second

921
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: round number fifty to the Bears two picks later. Julian Blackman,

922
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: the safety to the Colts at eight ad two picks

923
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: two picks later. Um he went in the third round,

924
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: number eighty five, then Zack Moss number eighty six, third

925
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: round to the Buffalo Bills, Terrell Burgess another dB. I

926
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: mean now we see why Utah was clearly the class

927
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: of I mean well, like their defense was the class

928
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: of the PacTel for most of the year. Uh he

929
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: went third round one oh four. That that's the George

930
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: ricest pick. Um Lucky Foe two, fourth round one. Like

931
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: we talked about Bradley and nine fifth round one seventy

932
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: nine and John piss Pensini sixth round one three. So

933
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: it's not it's not pronounced Penissini, pen peniss Ini. I

934
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: just refused to pronounce his name a lot like that.

935
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: Hopefully I did it correctly yet yet John John pet

936
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: what do you think about Utox draft? Well? I got

937
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: I was. I was the opposite of old takes exposed

938
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: on this one, which which felt pretty good because back

939
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: in during the season, when I was making fun of

940
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: Utah for launching a high sisman campaign for Tyler Huntley, Um,

941
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: some Utah fans were like, you know, why are you

942
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: being like this? And I was like, look, your team

943
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: is not getting the amount of love that it should nationally.

944
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: I agree on that principle. However, this campaign is gonna

945
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: look really silly when six Utah players get drafted in

946
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: the first four rounds and none of them are Tyler Huntley.

947
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: And somebody found that tweet on draft day when six

948
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: Utah players went early and none of them were Tyler Huntley,

949
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: and they were just like, whoa, look at this, and

950
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of Utah fans were favorite again, Which is

951
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: funny because at the time that I tweeted that, all

952
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: the Utah fans were mad at me and so um

953
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: you know that that that felt pretty good to have

954
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: that come out. I love not a quarterback. He may

955
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: have gotten a sniff had that Oregon game gone better.

956
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: It was grocious the whoa the Oregon game in the

957
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: Texas game, they just killed any shot that he was

958
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: going to have it getting getting drafted those two. Yeah,

959
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: there wasn't a whole lot special about him, and he

960
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on his back, just banged

961
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: up and just didn't didn't have the pocket awareness. Um

962
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: a really good leader, very good player, but didn't it

963
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: just because somebody's good in college doesn't mean it's gonna

964
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: translate to the NFL. I mean, look at look at

965
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: uh Javelin Guidry, who came out early from Utah ran

966
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: a four to nine unofficial forty but NFL scouts looked

967
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: at him and they were like, you're five nine and

968
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: he went undrafted. I think the Jets picked him up

969
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: uh as an undrafted free agent. But um, I'm a

970
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: big lucky Foe too. Fan. I like Bradley and I

971
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: but I don't think that he'll be an impact player

972
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I think he'll be kind of, um,

973
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 1: a roster guy that dresses sometimes and doesn't dress other times.

974
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: Big Jalen Johnson fan um and uh. The John Pennis

975
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: Seeny pick is interesting to me because that's another guy

976
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: that I think was probably picked based on his college production.

977
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: But there weren't a whole lot of people looking at

978
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: him and saying that's the guy that's going to translate

979
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: really well to the NFL. UM. But you can see

980
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: why people think Utah is gonna fall off next year

981
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: because this is a ton of talent that went out

982
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: the door and all off the defense. I mean, we

983
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: saw what happened in Washington's d after they lost a

984
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: bunch of guys. Um, But I think of the defensive

985
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: guys aside from I think Jalen Johnson is gonna be

986
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: really good Julian Blackman as well. Um, I'm much higher

987
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: on Bradley and I than you are. Only if he

988
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: turns into a high energy, high motor guy, like a

989
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: guy who was just relentless, because he'll make up for

990
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: any deficiencies he has with his ability to just be

991
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: relentless because at defensive end, you can make up for

992
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: some of your athleticism, some of all that with just

993
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: being strong, powerful and relentless, because it just makes you

994
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: so difficult and annoying to block. Yeah, I always always

995
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: looked at him as a guy who you know, there's

996
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: those guys in baseball that if you make a mistake,

997
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna hit it five feet. But what if you

998
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: don't make a mistake, right, I always looked at him

999
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: as that guy. He will capitalize on every error. Um,

1000
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: But if you play well, you can neutralize him. And

1001
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: so I feel like the NFL is just a little

1002
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,479
Speaker 1: bit different. He's there's gonna be a lot fewer times

1003
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: where he runs into somebody who's not prepared, and he

1004
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: he will be feasting quite a bit less. So he

1005
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: is gonna have to change a lot about himself to

1006
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: be able to compete at the absolute highest level always

1007
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: in order to become an impact player. What do you

1008
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: think is Zack Moss to Buffalo? I think he just

1009
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: replaced Frank Gore. They're the same guy. I think he's

1010
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: the same guy as as Frank Frank Gore. I think

1011
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: he's a good inside runner. He doesn't have home run speed.

1012
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: I think he is a guy who can be a

1013
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: really good running back for a long time. Curtis Martin type,

1014
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: Like you don't look and see anything special, but at

1015
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: the end of the game, you're like, jeez, Louise, this

1016
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: dude evers five yards carry well, I guess he's a

1017
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: starting running back, you know what I mean. Like it's

1018
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: almost like he's not special, but he's so just consistent

1019
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: that you can't do anything with him like that, you

1020
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: just can't take him out, you can't replace him. He's

1021
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: like the Tony Romo of running backs, Like he's so

1022
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: like he'll be good enough that you can't replace him,

1023
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: but you just never get specialness out of him. If

1024
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, you you can do a lot

1025
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: as a coach with a second and four, and he's

1026
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: the guy that can give you. He can give you

1027
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: second and four, he can open up the entire playbook.

1028
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: And maybe he's not the one that ends up looking

1029
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: like a star, but he got you the second and

1030
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: four that allowed you to be more creative in your

1031
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 1: play calling and allowed somebody else to look like a star.

1032
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: So I like the Frank Gore comparison. You You, it's

1033
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: really hard to project that someone will be healthy, um,

1034
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: because Frank Gore has just been oh absolutely, but but

1035
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: yeah after after being after being too attack of Lowa

1036
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: in in college. Yeah, it's it's weird how that works.

1037
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 1: So you never really know if somebody's injury history is gonna,

1038
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: uh gonna come over or not. And so it's that's

1039
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: the risk you take. But he's He's somebody who I

1040
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: really only ever saw get banged up when he got

1041
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: that that hit from Evan Fields in the head. And

1042
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: even then they put him back in the freaking game.

1043
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: Remember that. Oh my god that I'm still weird out

1044
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: that they put him back from again. Yeah, that was atrocious.

1045
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: The next to last team I actually want to replace

1046
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: the last team with the next to last team, only

1047
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: because the the Washington is gonna roll us into the

1048
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: next top big is Desmond Patman from Washington State. He

1049
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: went to the Cults at number two oh two in

1050
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: the sixth round. And I remember we were talking to

1051
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: you were like, yeah, that was I was. That was

1052
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: so confusing for me because we spent all this time

1053
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: talking packtwell football, you know, and we we get criticized

1054
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: sometimes because I spent a lot of time covering Arizona State.

1055
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: You're closer to the Oregon program. You know that that

1056
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: those are the two things that we talked about most,

1057
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: but we're paying attention. And I when that guy got drafted,

1058
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: I was like, who in the hell? And we're on

1059
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: the phone when it happened, and I literally it just

1060
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: it drew a complete blank. And then you had to

1061
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: be like, you know, the their big receiver, the one

1062
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: who that they had catch after catch after catch against

1063
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: a SU And I was like, okay, but yeah, he

1064
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,479
Speaker 1: just didn't for some reason, it just didn't even click

1065
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: for me at all that he was gonna possibly be

1066
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: picked up in the draft. And the more that I

1067
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: look at it, and the more that I'm like, yeah,

1068
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: well he's a big target. They could do something with him,

1069
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: big number twelve, with the with with the hair hanging

1070
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: out the back. Yeah, he did a good job. I mean,

1071
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: but Washington State receivers just normally don't get love because

1072
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: they seem like a product of the system. Um, he

1073
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: went to the Colts, but Washington State only having one

1074
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: play one player drafted, even though last year I think

1075
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: that they had a first round tackle. I think that

1076
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: this just felt like vindication for Mike Leach. He left

1077
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: Washington State to go to Mississippi State. He said that,

1078
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, Washington should win because they have more talent.

1079
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: That's why he hadn't won an Apple Cup. I think

1080
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: it's just like see, look, see, look do you do?

1081
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: Do you see what I was winning with? I was

1082
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: winning with nothing. But because you know Mike Leach, he

1083
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: never takes credit for anything bad he but he does

1084
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: take the credit for the things that go well though.

1085
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: That sounds like him. Yeah, all right, um, you dubbed.

1086
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: You dubbed had Jacob Easton, who who we have had.

1087
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: We had fights at the beginning of the season about

1088
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: Jacob Eason. I was like, I'll take Herbert and who

1089
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: who else? I think I got Herbert and Garbers, and

1090
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: you had Eason and Tyler Huntley, Yeah yeah yeah, and

1091
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: and and and Clel Tate. As a bonus, you got

1092
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: you got three. I got too, almost, like, dude, you

1093
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: can have those dudes. And Jacob Easton ended up going

1094
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: in the fourth round, number one, twenty two, and I

1095
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: was actually kind of surprised that he went there. I

1096
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: thought that this could be a massive free fall. And

1097
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean, granted, he in his mind thought he was

1098
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: gonna be a first round pick, but I just saw

1099
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: a dinosaur. I saw a quarterback who was not mobile,

1100
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: who took tech mobile drops, like if anybody used to

1101
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: play tech Mobil, you would yard drops and then he

1102
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: would throw the ball all the way across the screen.

1103
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: And that's Jacob Eeson. Kevin Cobb used to remember Kevin

1104
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: Cobb from from University of Houston. He he had some

1105
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: success for the Eagles and turned it into a big

1106
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: contract with the Cardinals. That dude used to drop back

1107
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: thirty yards to throw a twenty yard pass, Like so yeah,

1108
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: I've seen Eason do that, but he doesn't like Kevin

1109
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: Cobb used to drop back like he meant it like

1110
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: you take off running Easton. Easton is not really all

1111
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: business in those drop backs, which puts him in danger.

1112
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: And he's just this enormous target. Somehow he's six ft

1113
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: six and when he's out on the football field he

1114
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: looks six three. So it's just there's a lot of

1115
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: really confusing stuff. And then every once in a while

1116
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: he'll make a throw and he'll be like, oh my god,

1117
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: it's this guy quarterbacks, Jesus, he's got it. He's got

1118
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: a he's got an arm, like the tight end quarterback

1119
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: from from Buffalo. Yeah, I would say so, I would all,

1120
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: but I would argue that Josh Allen does not have

1121
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: a lot of touch. He just throws missing right. And

1122
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: Jacob Eeson has a curveball. He's like the David Wells

1123
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: of you know, he can drop passes in there. And

1124
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: so sometimes I wonder, I'm like, is this Washington's fault

1125
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: or is this Jacob Eason's fault? And I do see

1126
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: some of the passes that that he threw, some of

1127
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,919
Speaker 1: the interceptions, like in the Oregon game, the Utah game. Wait, yeah,

1128
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: like where you where You're like, oh no, yeah, I

1129
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: just I don't know, man. I he's another guy, and

1130
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: he rarely do I let this happen to me. But

1131
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: I watched Jacob Eason in a seven on seven tournament

1132
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: before his senior year of high school, and I had

1133
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: never seen the guy who touched like that on the football,

1134
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: And so that's been kind of carrying me through. I

1135
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: thought he was better than Jake from I thought he

1136
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: should have stayed at Georgia. But then again, he you know,

1137
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: he showed some weird, questionable judgment when he was a

1138
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: recruit anyway, like cheating on his girlfriend and getting caught

1139
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: and all that nonsense, And so, you know, I don't

1140
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: know about this guy. I don't know if he's got

1141
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: what it takes up top to to take the job

1142
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. But you can't deny he's got some talent.

1143
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm he's He's somebody I cannot make a prediction on

1144
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: because if he comes out, because George, if he in

1145
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: his third year in the NFL throws thirty five touchdowns

1146
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: to ten interceptions, are you really gonna be like, Oh,

1147
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: I never thought that was humanly possible. He's gonna be

1148
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: as humanly possible. I do not believe that that is

1149
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: humanly possible. So it with with the way the NFL

1150
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: is trending. Look at the quarterbacks who are drafted, Joe

1151
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: Burrow to Justin Herbert, Jordan Loved, Jalen Hurts, all drafted

1152
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: in the first round and up until the twenty one

1153
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: pick uh of the second round in Jalen Hurts dinner

1154
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: was in a quarterback draft for two rounds. What do

1155
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: all of those first one to three, four five guys

1156
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: having common some variation of the spread offense? And they

1157
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: then they're all mobile, They can all run, they can

1158
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: all escape pressure, escape the pocket. What can't And then

1159
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: the next quarterbacks Jacob Easton, James Morrigan from Florida Internet,

1160
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: well not not not James Morgan, but uh yeah, yeah

1161
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 1: he's not super mobile. Eure. Then Jake from Jake Lewton.

1162
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: What if they all have in common, Nate Stanley from

1163
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: Iowa they can't move their statues, Carson Palmer, Clones, yep,

1164
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 1: and the And that would not have won the Super

1165
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: Bowl this last year at all, Like it just would

1166
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: not because if Patrick could not run, what about the

1167
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: Super Bowl couple of years before that with Philadelphia? You

1168
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: could still win that way. Nick Folds was able to

1169
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: move like he's mobile. He's he's not just a statue

1170
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: you back. He was running like. You can't win without

1171
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: a quarterback who is mobile. He does not have to

1172
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 1: be a running quarterback like Lamar Jackson, but he does

1173
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: have to be able to escape pressure, to be able

1174
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: to make off platform throws and get out of the pocket.

1175
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: But I thought that this draft was a disaster for Washington.

1176
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: It could not have been any worse because you have

1177
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: you have two players who left early, and Trey Adams

1178
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 1: and Hunter Bryant. Granted there could have been some injury

1179
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: concerns that led to them not getting drafted, but then

1180
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: your quarterback who was supposed to be your stud, who

1181
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: made up who I guarantee he made up his mind

1182
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: when he came to Washington, only there for one year,

1183
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: even though he should have gone back, which is what

1184
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: I said, he made up his mind. So now you

1185
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: have a guy go in the fourth round, your center

1186
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: going to fifth round, no big deal, that's fine, But

1187
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: then you have two underclassmen it don't get drafted. That's awful.

1188
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: And you don't have anybody else getting drafted. I know

1189
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: your defense is young, but nobody else, even even even

1190
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: your dB that's atrocious. Yeah, it doesn't look good for

1191
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: University of Washington. But I do want to throw in

1192
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: there that before we go and blame uh anybody for

1193
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: you know there there, Let's just say that there's this

1194
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 1: idea out there that the head coach has something to

1195
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 1: do with where a player is going to get drafted.

1196
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: And every once in a while, ahead college football coach

1197
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: can call an NFL coach and talk them into picking

1198
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: somebody in the sixth round that maybe they would have

1199
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 1: tried to get in the seventh. But the truth is

1200
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: these scouts and these professional coaches, their jobs depend on this,

1201
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: and they're making these decisions. And and and I almost

1202
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,799
Speaker 1: forgotten too. Sorry I didn't want to interrupt. But and Salvin,

1203
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: i'med too. Yeah, yeah, he was one of dudes that

1204
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: have He was on the Best mel Kiper's ten Best

1205
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: Available for like the entire third day of the draft.

1206
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: But I just want to say this that you can't

1207
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: be like, oh, is Chris Peterson's fault or is Jimmy

1208
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: Lake's fault, because it doesn't really have Once you're done,

1209
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: once you say all right, I'm leaving, it's it's up

1210
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: to you. You have to go out there and you

1211
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: have to impress the scouts, and you have to put

1212
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: up good workout numbers, and your medicals have to come

1213
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: back well because you know, I remember when Ray Anderson

1214
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: fired Todd Graham and he hired he hired HERM Edwards.

1215
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: He was like, it's gonna be good to have somebody

1216
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: with NFL connections. And he basically what what he was

1217
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: saying and what he said behind closed doors is it's

1218
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: unacceptable for a guy like DJ Foster to go undrafted.

1219
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: It's unacceptable for a guy like Jalen Strong to go

1220
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. And so he's like, you know,

1221
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: HERM Edwards is gonna come in here with his connections

1222
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be better once they will leave your school. No. No,

1223
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: I was watching the uh that Nick Saban and Bill

1224
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: Belichick documentary and Nick Saban literally said, he said, they're

1225
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 1: like four teams who talked to us before they draft

1226
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: one of our players, and then the other twenty eight

1227
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: teams they just draft him and don't ask any questions

1228
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,799
Speaker 1: about him. And he said, I'll give you the truth

1229
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: and then they'll hit me up later and be like,

1230
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: well I didn't even know this or that. Well, you

1231
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: didn't call and ask. So if they're not calling Nick

1232
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 1: Saban and asking guess what, they're not calling Tyed Graham,

1233
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: they're not calling um, you know herm Edwards. Like your

1234
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: coaches do not get you drafted. You get drafted by

1235
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: either being a workout warrior like you put up outstanding

1236
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: measurables or your your film. It's just redamndiculous where they're like, oh,

1237
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 1: who who, I can't wait to get him on my

1238
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: where where you're dominating other players that they believe are

1239
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: highly rated, that's how you get drafted. Eye. Yeah, there's

1240
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: this idea out there that these these scouts and coaches

1241
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: are all doing the absolute most due diligence they can,

1242
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: that they hire all these private investigators, and and that

1243
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 1: they talked to topics. Yeah, only for the top, top

1244
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: top picks. Nobody's going through that draft day rigamarole of

1245
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: finding out who didn't come to your birthday party for

1246
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: a sixth rounder. That stuff doesn't happen. And here's how

1247
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: I know, and here's how I can speak confidently on this.

1248
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: I live in Arizona. I work in Arizona. My job

1249
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,839
Speaker 1: is mostly covering high school sports. I have a staff

1250
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: that works under me. We keep a list of like

1251
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: a hundred high school football players that we think could

1252
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: go on to the next level. We all scout them

1253
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: in person, which is a lot more than a lot

1254
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: of other people do. We all know their g p

1255
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: a s. We talk to them on a regular basis,

1256
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: and we know their character. Okay, I have been doing this.

1257
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm going on my ninth year. Would you like to

1258
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: know the number of times that Arizona State has ever

1259
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: contacted me about a prospect? It's zero. It's never happened.

1260
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: Would you like to know the time a number of

1261
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: times that University of Arizona has ever contacted me about

1262
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: a prospect? It's also zero. Only recently have Mountain West

1263
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: schools been hitting me up almost on a daily basis.

1264
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: And it's because I've said stuff like this in public,

1265
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: and people who used to be graduate assistants who are

1266
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: moving on to have position uh coaching roles at other

1267
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: schools are like, man, I just always thought that everybody

1268
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: always reached out to you to find out more about

1269
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: these players. No, they don't. Everyone thinks in their own

1270
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 1: mind that they know exactly what they should be doing,

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Speaker 1: and everybody's a little prideful, and everybody kind of refuses

1272
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: to reach out for help. And so if you think

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01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: that her met words, if you think that Herm Edwards

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01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: is going to be the one to reach out and

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01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: convince somebody to take a gig, it's just not It's

1276
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: not that way. I'm doing a podcast. Yeah, And that

1277
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. You would think that they would

1278
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 1: try to do their due diligence. But you always have

1279
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: to assume that. Granted that the NFL is the highest league,

1280
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: but you have a range of coaches from really great

1281
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: coaches to not to great coaches, and those not so

1282
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: great coaches were not so great scouts aren't doing their

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01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: job at the level that other people are. Um. But

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01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: speaking of Washington led to the next subject, which is

1285
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: underclassmen who go undrafted, because they had three of them,

1286
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: Trey Adams, Hunter, Brian and Salvin are Mad and and

1287
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 1: I just after the draft, I my heart just went

1288
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: out to them. And it was a little bit of

1289
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: frustration because I was a guy who came out early.

1290
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: I came out after my junior year. I remember we

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01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: were at the Seattle Ball Nobody had a clue I

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01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: was coming out. No body except for my family maybe

1293
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: had a little bit of an England and in my

1294
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: mind I was like, as long as I come out

1295
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: of this side Seattle Bowl healthy, I'm out. And I

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01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: went upstairs told coach Baladi. He was like, what, excuse me?

1297
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: Because I told him after the game. I was like, coach,

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01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: I want to talk to me when we get back

1299
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: to the hotel. Okay, cool. I mean he couldn't have.

1300
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: He couldn't have. There's no way he thought that this

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01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: was possible because at that point in time, Oregon hadn't

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01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: had any juniors leave like me and Ontario Smith, who

1303
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: left that year, were the first juniors to leave in

1304
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: a long time. Granted they've had a lot since, but

1305
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: we were first in a while. And he was like, uh,

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01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: you're serious. I was like, yeah, I'm out. He was like,

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01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 1: there's no talking about it. And I was like, now

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01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm out. This is done and um And but I

1309
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: had gotten my draft grade back, which was a second third,

1310
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 1: third round draft grade. I started getting calls in the

1311
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: draft around the second round. But to make a long

1312
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: story short, people thought I had character issues because of

1313
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: the people I was hanging around. But I, as a

1314
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: kid who never have been in trouble ended up going

1315
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the four fourth round. So

1316
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: all worked out for me. But there are guys like

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01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: those three guys who had their hopes, dreams and all

1318
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: of this, whether they got bad advice, they had their

1319
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: minds made up, or whatever it is. My heart went

1320
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: out to him Rounph. I was just like, I can't

1321
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 1: even imagine how devastating that must be for you to

1322
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: still have eligibility left on the table. And J J.

1323
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: Taylor at Arizona, but I can't. It's inexplicable why he

1324
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: came out. Why. I was just like, how heartbreaking that

1325
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: must be to have your hopes and dreams surrounding this

1326
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: and then you don't get picked. So if you were

1327
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: looking Michael Turk in the face right now, what would

1328
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: you say to him? Because that dude was a punter

1329
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: and came out two years early. Um, see, punter, I

1330
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: look at a little bit differently because I don't think

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01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: when you leave as a kicker or a punter that

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01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: you always expect to get drafted. So I think that

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01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: that's a little bit different case, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: I just I don't Oh, I'm doing it right now.

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01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: So I mean, who expect. I mean a lot of

1336
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 1: times there aren't kickers and punters drafted anyway until the

1337
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: sixth seventh round. So maybe he thought he could be

1338
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: a six or seventh round draft pick. But I think

1339
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: more important for him was probably to get an undrafted

1340
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: free agent make the team, you know what I mean,

1341
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: Like he knew that that was probably a possibility. He's

1342
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: confident enough in his ability that if somebody puts him

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01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: on the field and his whole job is to kick

1344
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: a football, that he'll be able to chase somebody out

1345
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 1: of their job, just like he did at a s U.

1346
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, I never really know what

1347
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: the balance is because fans kind of turn on these kids,

1348
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 1: these young men when they come out early, and then

1349
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't work for him. Like I'm I'm a Wyoming fan.

1350
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: They had a quarterback named Brett Smith a few years

1351
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: back who did some real special things on the field,

1352
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: decided to declare with a year of eligibility, left, didn't

1353
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: get drafted, ended up having to go to the CFL

1354
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,879
Speaker 1: and flamed out, and I and I even find myself

1355
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: just kind of soured toward him knowing that, like, hey,

1356
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,799
Speaker 1: you could have done something really special at the collegiate

1357
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 1: level and it didn't ultimately end up mattering for you.

1358
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: Why did you? You know, why did you do something

1359
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: like this? And I did notice because a lot of

1360
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,879
Speaker 1: the people I follow on Twitter are on the Arizona

1361
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: State side of things. Once the seventh round came around,

1362
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: people were doing some pretty big revisionist stuff regarding Eno,

1363
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:54,600
Speaker 1: Benjamin saying, man, he really should have thought about this

1364
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: a little bit harder. Um, you know it was. It's

1365
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: easy to say it was a mistake when you're not

1366
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: the one that has anything on the line, and when

1367
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: the results are the results. But it's amazing how quick

1368
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: some of these fans turn on some of these early

1369
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: entry people. Do you think that if you think, if

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01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: you get like a fourth round grade or something, round

1371
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: seven comes along, that there should be some type of

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01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: rule where you can pull your eligibility completely. No. The

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01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: only reason why is because it affects dry It affects

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01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: recruiting classes at that point in point in time, and

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01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,560
Speaker 1: you're so far down the road, I think that you

1376
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: should be able to pull your name out like after

1377
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 1: the combine, like then. But it just gets so tricky

1378
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: that these are these are grown man choices and sometimes

1379
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: they they do have consequences. And how how accurate are

1380
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 1: these draft grades? That they're pretty accurate. They're pretty accurate,

1381
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: and and actually lean toward being significantly more conservative. Okay,

1382
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 1: so if you get a second or third round grade,

1383
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: you could potentially go in the first round. If you

1384
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: get a a um fourth round for the like, and

1385
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: they give you a grade like four to four to six,

1386
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: and so yes, for the four to six means that

1387
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: if you don't test well at the combine or whatever,

1388
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 1: you could go seventh round, you know what I mean. Like,

1389
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: so they based it on upon projections of you and yourself.

1390
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: So yes, there's a little bit of upside surrounding it,

1391
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: and yes there's some downside too, But I just I mean,

1392
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: it's almost like the Oregon basketball players who just kept

1393
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: coming out early and I'm just like, what are the

1394
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: hell are you doing? Who's talking to you? I mean,

1395
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: I just feel bad for those kids because I know

1396
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: that they're heartbroken. Granted it's not all over. They can

1397
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: make teams, but it is significantly harder to make a

1398
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: team as a seventh round draft pick or an undrafted

1399
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 1: free agent than it is as a third round draft

1400
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: pick because they got so much money wrapped up in you.

1401
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 1: If you are a second round draft pick and you

1402
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: get cut as a rookie, which rarely, rarely, rarely, rarely happens,

1403
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 1: you are either an asshole, or you are just or

1404
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: you just don't care, like you're giving zero effort. That's

1405
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: the only way you can get cut seventh round draft pick.

1406
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: If you sprain an ankle or pull pull a hamstring

1407
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: out of there, you could be gone. That's the difference. Well,

1408
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,799
Speaker 1: I mean you you brought up bargain basketball players leaving earlier.

1409
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: It really feels like they're the only college basketball team

1410
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't have a bunch of guys trying to bolt

1411
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: either after they've committed or before their eligibility is up.

1412
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: Pactwell basketball is a mess right now. Yeah, Pactwell basketball

1413
01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: is a mess. And that's why I said where you

1414
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: said that you were just confused and tired by my

1415
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: tweet where I said that the n C Double A

1416
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 1: is blockbuster. Right now, we are watching the n C

1417
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: Double A turned into blockbuster right before our eyes. Blockbuster

1418
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: had a strangle hold on the movie teep, on the

1419
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: movie renting industry. They had contracts with every studio, distribution house, everything,

1420
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 1: but then it crumbled over greed and not being forward thinking.

1421
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: And that's what's happening with the n CULE Double A

1422
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: as it goes to college basketball. They like they've had

1423
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: time to do this, Ralph like, this is not new.

1424
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: The the NBA just basically legislated them out of the

1425
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: top high school talent from for the foreseeable future. The

1426
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: NBA who instituted the one done rule, so they make

1427
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: the the kids wait a year after that they are

1428
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: graduating class two, go to college. I'm sorry to go

1429
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: to the NBA. So then gods were just going to talk.

1430
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 1: They were doing and they were doing that for two reasons,

1431
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: to protect the gms from themselves, because some of these

1432
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 1: gms would just get they didn't know really anything about

1433
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: scouting basketball, and so you had guys like a duty

1434
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: Ebby going sixth overall. Stuff like that was happening every year.

1435
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: And the other thing is it really helps the n

1436
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: C Double A for someone to come in with star power.

1437
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: And there's no better way to become a star than

1438
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: to play in March Madness. Correct, And so NBA they

1439
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: make the rule and then all of a sudden college

1440
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:51,919
Speaker 1: basketball needs to get these recruits. More so, what happens

1441
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: you you have the scheme on HBO goes into full

1442
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: effect on Matt Max, Christian Dawkins, the whole underworld of

1443
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 1: college basketball. Even though we believe it's a victimless crime,

1444
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: it is technically it gets the rules. So yes, that

1445
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: has to ramp up with the shoot companies, all of that,

1446
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: and then the NBA exploits an opportunity because they're tired

1447
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: of uh their recruits going overseas. The uh LaMelo ball,

1448
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 1: Brandon Jennings, a whole host of other guys where you

1449
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: got you know, Anthony Simmons, Darius Badly, r J Hampton,

1450
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 1: all taking unconventional routes to the league. So those guys

1451
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: aren't going. So the NBA is like, hold up, we

1452
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: don't want them going overseas, so we'll expand our G

1453
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: League program to pay these guys up to granted everybody's

1454
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: not gonna make the same thing, but up to five

1455
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for the year in the G League. Give

1456
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: them a full college scholarship, give them uh they're playing

1457
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: against higher level of competition only forcused on ball, Get

1458
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: mentorship and life skills. How does this make sense for

1459
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 1: a guy to go to college at this point if

1460
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: you are a five star recruit? Well, um, it never did.

1461
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: They always should have been more like baseball. The G

1462
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: League is ten years late in doing something that I've

1463
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: been banging my head against the wall, screaming into the heavens.

1464
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: Why isn't this something that was done? Because the G

1465
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: League formerly the D League, was never marketed the way

1466
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: that it should be, and it always had access to

1467
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: this talent pool. Always. They always could have put something

1468
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: into place to say, hey, you know, you could you

1469
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 1: either agree to go to college for two years, um,

1470
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not the three that that is college baseball.

1471
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: You either agree to go to college for at least

1472
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: two years, or you agree to spend uh two years

1473
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: being developed, and you know, we'll we'll get you out

1474
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:58,560
Speaker 1: in some of these small um towns like Bakersfield and

1475
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 1: and you know up in the in the in the mountains,

1476
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: um in northern Arizona, and and you'll get to play

1477
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: in front some of some of these crowds, and then

1478
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: maybe halfway through your sophomore season you'll be eligible to

1479
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: be called up. They should have had something like this forever,

1480
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: and the fact that they drugged their feet on it

1481
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: is absolutely insane. But these players can make a name

1482
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 1: for themselves and make a brand for themselves in in

1483
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: today's basketball landscape better than they ever could before. You

1484
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 1: have high school kids who are top ten, top twenty

1485
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 1: recruits coming into college with a hundred thousand followers on Instagram.

1486
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: They're already a brand. They already have the ability to

1487
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: cash in on their namage and image and likeness. They

1488
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: have no intention of being part of the n C

1489
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: double a machine, and the only reason that they're ever

1490
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: part of it is because they're forced into it. And

1491
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be that way. College basketball should be for

1492
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 1: college basketball players period. If you want to play college basketball,

1493
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 1: play college basketball, if you want to be a fessional

1494
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: basketball player, there should be another avenue for that. And

1495
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: so the fact that it's finally happening, and there was

1496
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: that little trickle effect of players electing to play overseas,

1497
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: you see enough of that to where the NBA's family like,

1498
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: all right, let's make this the real um a real thing,

1499
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 1: and they have the financial means to do it, and

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01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they are, because the one and done

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01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: thing it's just not it's it has not been helpful

1502
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 1: to um. I just I just don't think it's been

1503
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: good for college basketball. And I'm not trying to act

1504
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: like an how has it been good for college basketball.

1505
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: It's been good for it's been good for the entertainment value,

1506
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 1: but it was never sustainable yet. But they get them

1507
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: for at least a year instead of not getting them

1508
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: at at all. I mean, these kids were going to

1509
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: the I mean, like, I am totally against blocking somebody's

1510
01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: ability to be gainfully employed when they are good enough

1511
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: to play in a league. So it's the that's like

1512
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:12,679
Speaker 1: saying that Osaka or Taylor Townsend or any of these

1513
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: other young people who are on the tennis tour when

1514
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: they're fifteen and they're good enough to play, that they

1515
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on the tennis tour. If you are good

1516
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 1: enough to compete with the professionals, you're fine to be

1517
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:28,640
Speaker 1: a professional. And but I do agree that gms had

1518
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: to save themselves from themselves because they were overdrafted from

1519
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: put potential. But I saw this as with college basketball,

1520
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: as the free market working because the money was being

1521
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:45,560
Speaker 1: like players are being cut out of the money. The

1522
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 1: multibillion dollars that's generated in March Madness college basketball in general.

1523
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: They're cut out of that money, and they're the people

1524
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 1: who are generating all this buzz and revenue. The stars

1525
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: like people want to see Zion Williams and people want

1526
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 1: to see r J. Hampton. They wanted to mean they

1527
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,719
Speaker 1: want to see all of well o r J. Barrett,

1528
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 1: I mean all these like top tier guys who are

1529
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: gonna be NFL and NBA draft picks. They want to

1530
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: see them play and they want to see them do

1531
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 1: fantastic things. So they figured out, Okay, you're cutting us

1532
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: out of the money. The free market says, they're a

1533
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 1: work around is coming. So it started in what was

1534
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 1: that two thousand and eight when Brandon Jennings went overseas

1535
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: he went to Italy, and then you've had multiple players

1536
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: do it since. And then the NBA is like, hold up,

1537
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 1: this has got to stop. And the n c Double

1538
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: A had time Ralph, they had Brandon Jennings. N O

1539
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: eight Ed O'Bannon filed his lawsuit versus the n c

1540
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: Double A about name, image and likeness with the video games,

1541
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: and OH nine finally got ruled on in two thousand

1542
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 1: and fourteen, austin verseity, n C double A in two

1543
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, fair Play to Play Act in twenty nineteen,

1544
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: they still drug their feet and now they're screwed with

1545
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: college basketball. They're screwed, like because the top guys who

1546
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 1: were stars, they're not going to opt to go to

1547
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 1: college when they can get a full college scholarship as

1548
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 1: a backup plan instead of going to the G league,

1549
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: like college basketball is finished and truthfully with the new

1550
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: stuff that they that they just said, I think it

1551
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 1: was today about the NT double A saying yes they're

1552
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna allow players to get endorsements, all of this with name,

1553
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: image and likeness, all of that. This is too little,

1554
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 1: too late for college basketball. And they were early enough

1555
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: to save college football because I guarantee somebody was in

1556
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,759
Speaker 1: the works trying to find some seven on seven league

1557
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: or something for top quarterbacks to be able to bypass college,

1558
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 1: make money and then still show that they're prepared enough

1559
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 1: to be NFL draft picks. That's all well and good,

1560
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: but I just I just don't agree that it's been

1561
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't agree that it has been good for college

1562
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 1: basketball overall to have this system of people who aren't

1563
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: necessarily committed to the system. It's just an enormous cash grab,

1564
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 1: and these these kids don't want to be part of it. Like, honestly,

1565
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 1: do you think to yourself, if you're if you're a

1566
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: duke student, do you take pride in the eleven games

1567
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: that Kyrie Irving spent with you games? Didn't you playing

1568
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 1: the dynament? Yeah? If if you if if you go

1569
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 1: to the University of Memphis, are you counting James Wiseman

1570
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: amongst your esteemed alumni. They didn't want to win. It

1571
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: was accounting for first round draft. She's when he never

1572
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: never was even able to appear in a game. And so, man,

1573
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't I think that you should if you go

1574
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: the n C double A route, and I think you

1575
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 1: should force some of these players hands. I think that

1576
01:32:58,439 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: if you go the n C double A route, you

1577
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 1: got to be there at least two years. I think

1578
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: that's the best thing for college basketball, especially in a

1579
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:08,679
Speaker 1: new era, to force this rule because the the rule

1580
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 1: is the NBA rule. That's the only reason why people

1581
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 1: stay is because it's the NBA's rule. And the NBA

1582
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: just gave him the G League options. So college basketball

1583
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 1: can't force you to stay for free. But that's what

1584
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They gotta come together on this, and they

1585
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 1: gotta force more people into the G League pipeline and

1586
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 1: and help get the health of college basketball back. You

1587
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: compared the n C Double A to Blockbuster Video, and

1588
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: I get that reference to a certain extent. I remember

1589
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: back in the day, you know that that was the

1590
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: place to go, spend half an hour waterer in the aisles,

1591
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: you know, on on a on a Friday night, and

1592
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: you know the same amount of time that we spend

1593
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: scrolling through Netflix now used to be, you know, standing

1594
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 1: up in those Blockbuster aisles trying to figure out, you

1595
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 1: know what the fifth movie you're gonna rent? Was like,

1596
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 1: you're even gonna be able to watch all five in

1597
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: time before you get hit with a late fee, right

1598
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: like that. But but I remember I had a friend

1599
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,640
Speaker 1: who worked kind of high up at Blockbuster, and there

1600
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 1: was this other video store called Hollywood Video, and he

1601
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: said they used to go into all these different corporate

1602
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 1: meetings and all they talk about is how they could

1603
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,799
Speaker 1: choke out Hollywood Video so they could have the complete

1604
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 1: market share. And then when Netflix came out of out

1605
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: of nowhere, they turned down the opportunity to purchase Netflix,

1606
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they went out of business.

1607
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:22,639
Speaker 1: I always thought back about the fact that like it's

1608
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,719
Speaker 1: dog eat dog, right, like that these people, these Blockbuster people,

1609
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 1: they sat around talking about how they could choke out

1610
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: Hollywood video and they're the ones who got choked out.

1611
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,560
Speaker 1: And so I mean, I think that there there is

1612
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,560
Speaker 1: a part of that where the n C Double A

1613
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: has used amateurism and used a lot of these devices

1614
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 1: to make sure that there's not really a viable competitor

1615
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: to what they do out there to make sure that

1616
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,759
Speaker 1: everything gets funneled to them, and they continually just hope

1617
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: that that that's always going to be the case. Um,

1618
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 1: And while they were hoping for those things, you know,

1619
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 1: this thing has kind of snuck up on them, even

1620
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 1: though anybody could have seen it coming, and their hand

1621
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 1: has been forced as far as being able to allow

1622
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 1: people to profit off their name, image and likeness. But

1623
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 1: I think somebody from the n C Double A needs

1624
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 1: to get with some people from the n b A

1625
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: and say, look, we need to push more people who

1626
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to be part of college basketball into

1627
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 1: the G league pipeline. Okay, that's your stars. I think

1628
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: that you organize friendlies the same way that you have

1629
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 1: in soccer. Where you can, you can you can actually

1630
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: have some G League games, UM, some preseason games against

1631
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 1: some of these top college teams. I think that that

1632
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 1: would be a ton of fun to watch. You lose

1633
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 1: your stars, but you get two years of your very

1634
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:45,599
Speaker 1: very good players instead of just one, and those players

1635
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 1: are able to profit now because the n C Double

1636
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 1: A has been strong armed into so you can be

1637
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 1: a college basketball player at the highest level, be there

1638
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: for two years, and still get some money. You just

1639
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 1: you just convinced me that your radical plan makes makes sense.

1640
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 1: I like it because the the G League was already

1641
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 1: saying that the high school kids won't be playing um

1642
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 1: against the full G League schedule and all of that,

1643
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 1: that they will be playing international teams, they'll be playing

1644
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 1: colleges and all of that. So they weren't playing like

1645
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:25,600
Speaker 1: a full G League schedule anyway. So I don't know

1646
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 1: if you knew that, but you just made even more sense. Like,

1647
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,799
Speaker 1: just when I didn't think you could do say anything

1648
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:37,599
Speaker 1: more crazy, you come back and totally redeem yourself. Oh man,

1649
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 1: I I you know what I I need a haircut

1650
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 1: so bad that I'd settle for a Lloyd Christmas right now.

1651
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 1: But I, um, I don't know, man. I just I

1652
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 1: want college basketball to be for college athletes. I really

1653
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 1: really want that. I would love the same thing at

1654
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,640
Speaker 1: the high school level. I would have loved for you know,

1655
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 1: school districts to have all district teams so that the

1656
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: kids who want to play high school basketball for the

1657
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 1: high school basketball experience could do that, and the people

1658
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: who are trying to get seen by college scouts could

1659
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,560
Speaker 1: play on their own team so that these you know,

1660
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: sometimes predatory prep schools weren't coming in and sneaking all

1661
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 1: these players away because the regular high school experience didn't

1662
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 1: make sense for them. Um. But then you could still

1663
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 1: be around your friends at high school, you just play

1664
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: for a different team. You know. I've always thought that

1665
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 1: there were ways to repair how broken basketball is, and

1666
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: now I feel like we finally have that opportunity because

1667
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: some of these guys are gonna be able to come in.

1668
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:35,599
Speaker 1: You know, got a Nicomanion went to University of Arizona

1669
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 1: last year. He is somebody who already could have had

1670
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,600
Speaker 1: UM be making to three thousand dollars a year just

1671
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 1: off of his social media presence, and so you know,

1672
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna have people who have the ability to

1673
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 1: do that now. But also somebody like Nicomnion reclassified so

1674
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 1: that he didn't have to do a senior year of

1675
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,600
Speaker 1: high school so he could be one year closer to

1676
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 1: going to the NBA. He didn't want to have a

1677
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 1: college basket all, so he was just in the class

1678
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 1: that he was supposed to be. It. Yeah, but I

1679
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 1: just I feel like if his plan, if if if,

1680
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 1: if college basketball was only a means to an end

1681
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: for him, then I feel like he just would have

1682
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 1: been much better off to be able to jump into

1683
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:20,599
Speaker 1: something where it made more sense for his career path.

1684
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 1: And we do that with regular students who want to

1685
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 1: go to a vocational school because they want to go

1686
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 1: be an electrician at nineteen instead of having to take

1687
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: sixty credits worth of fine arts stuff in order to

1688
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: be an electrician. Right, And so you know, if you're

1689
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 1: trying to go pro, let these kids go pro. It's

1690
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 1: just everyone you know, the NBA is so concerned with

1691
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: protecting these gms from themselves so you don't get another

1692
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: Jonathan Bender situation that they're not looking out for what's

1693
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 1: in the best interest of these guys either. So hopefully

1694
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 1: the G League can be that for them, because I

1695
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: want to see the people who come to play college

1696
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 1: basketball stay for a couple of years, developed become part

1697
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 1: of that student athlete experience. Have the students be able

1698
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 1: to take pride in it and just have it, have

1699
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: it mean more because this one and done stuff, and

1700
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 1: I hate to sound like an old head, the one

1701
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 1: and done stuff is exhausting. Man, new people on every

1702
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 1: team every single year. It just fuels the transfer portal.

1703
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,600
Speaker 1: It just doesn't. I just I don't know, man, I

1704
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:23,560
Speaker 1: I I would much rather um have that than you know,

1705
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 1: be talking to somebody who's a University of Missouri alum

1706
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 1: trying to convince me that Michael Porter Jr. Is one

1707
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: of them when we know he's not. Right. Yeah, yeah,

1708
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 1: I would agree with that on on on some level.

1709
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 1: I just think that the that them now having the name,

1710
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 1: image and likeness legislation is not going to get the

1711
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 1: stars to come back. But you made a compelling argument

1712
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 1: that you'll get more two and three year players, which

1713
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 1: can't help them develop and they can have stars at

1714
01:39:57,439 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 1: that point in the point in time, So I'm not

1715
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: mad at that, but being that they are going to

1716
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 1: allow players to be paid now, I want ready, I'm saying,

1717
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: free Reggie Bush. You gotta let him back to USC.

1718
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 1: Give the man his heisman back. You know. Granted, I

1719
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: know the rules weren't the same at the same time,

1720
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 1: but the man went out there and did his work.

1721
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 1: So I am in favor of that. What do you

1722
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:26,640
Speaker 1: do with what do you do with Urell Prior? What

1723
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 1: do you do with Did Ohio State have to vacate anything?

1724
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 1: Uh no, but Jim Trestle got forgot fired. And oh

1725
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 1: the University of Memphis who played in the National Championship

1726
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: Game against Kansas, they didn't win any games that that year.

1727
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've never understood taking back wins. I think

1728
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 1: that that's the stupidest thing you can possibly do. I've

1729
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 1: always thought that. I'm like, I saw it happen. You

1730
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 1: can't take the wins back. So who to Kansas playing

1731
01:40:55,000 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: the championship ghosts? Nobody? Okay? So that do you feel

1732
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 1: the same way about the Houston Astros. If if MLB

1733
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 1: came in and was like, all right, guys, you cheated

1734
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:08,759
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to say that that World Series

1735
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 1: doesn't count. We know you want it, but it doesn't count. Oh,

1736
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 1: I would definitely be okay with that. Okay, yeah, so

1737
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 1: because you're still acknowledging, like, hey, you cheated and you

1738
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 1: won the result of your cheating. You still won, but

1739
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 1: we're not gonna acknowledge it. So if they're just more

1740
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: honest about it, no, no, no, no, no, cee cee.

1741
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 1: There is a difference in n C double h if

1742
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: you have a player who is ineligible or is doing

1743
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:41,799
Speaker 1: something sneaky or underhanded, that is different. Like Reggie Bush

1744
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 1: and and anybody else who took payments, they still went

1745
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:49,599
Speaker 1: on the field and played fair and square. You see

1746
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The Houston Astros and the Boston Red

1747
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 1: Sox did not play fair and square. They cheated. They

1748
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:04,520
Speaker 1: got an unfair advantage. You don't have an unfair advantage

1749
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 1: because Reggie Bush's parents got a house that didn't help

1750
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 1: USC play football any better on the field. You see

1751
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 1: the difference. I guess I mean someone. No, I'm just

1752
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 1: saying that that there are a lot of idiots out there,

1753
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 1: and someone could probably make the argument that, like, man,

1754
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 1: it's not fair that Reggie Bush wasn't preoccupied with his

1755
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:31,719
Speaker 1: family's financial situation when he was running the ball, Otherwise,

1756
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 1: otherwise we might have been able to tackle him better.

1757
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Um, but we wanted to get to college basketball, um,

1758
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 1: even even more than than just that. So there was

1759
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 1: a list of the players who came out in the

1760
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 1: Pack twelve early entries into the NBA Draft. And you

1761
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:56,600
Speaker 1: got Nico Manning from Arizona, Remy Martin from AYSK You

1762
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:59,680
Speaker 1: Chris Smith from u c l A, Josh Green from

1763
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 1: aras owner, Zeke Nagi from Arizona, Romello White from Assue,

1764
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 1: Tyler Bay from Colorado. Uh McKinley right, the fourth from Colorado,

1765
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't even know how to say his

1766
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:19,720
Speaker 1: name from Utah, got both both gotch both gotch um

1767
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: from Utah. And that is one to three, four, five, six, seven,

1768
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 1: eight nine players from the Pack twelve. And my problem

1769
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 1: with this is, Ralph, is there are only sixty spots

1770
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 1: in the NBA Draft. If you are a second rounder,

1771
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 1: you get a non guaranteed contract. You're pretty much always

1772
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 1: gonna be if you make the team on a two

1773
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 1: way contract bouncing from the G League to the NBA.

1774
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 1: So that's thirty spots with guaranteed contracts thirty spots. These

1775
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 1: are not nine of the best thirty players in college basketball.

1776
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand who's advising all these guys. I think

1777
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:10,719
Speaker 1: this is a horrible move for most of them because

1778
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 1: they can't all be first round draft picks. Because you

1779
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:17,839
Speaker 1: gotta consider that the that Duke's got some North Carolina

1780
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 1: for for sure. It's got Cole Anthony. You got, uh,

1781
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 1: the the whole A C C was loaded the I

1782
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 1: mean Anthony, Yeah, Anthony Edwards at of Georgia probably go first. Yeah, uh,

1783
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 1: Obi Topping from Dayton. You got so many guys, Oh,

1784
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 1: James Wiseman from Memphis. There's so many guys who are

1785
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: ahead of you on the draft board. I just can't

1786
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:51,680
Speaker 1: figure out, like, who's advising these kids? Oh? And then

1787
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 1: you got LaMelo ball Um, Like who's advising these kids

1788
01:44:57,160 --> 01:45:00,240
Speaker 1: to come out? Because I can't figure it out at Oh,

1789
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:06,680
Speaker 1: because I mean all right, I mean I like, and

1790
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:12,680
Speaker 1: then from USC you got Okaguu, Who's who's coming out

1791
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,720
Speaker 1: as well? Like he's clearly going to be a high

1792
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: draft draft pick. I mean, who was telling these kids

1793
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 1: to do this? I don't know, you know, you had

1794
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 1: that thing with Lugan Stuart from Arizona State last year,

1795
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 1: where you know, he didn't get picked and then he

1796
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:31,599
Speaker 1: was able to kind of turn it around and make

1797
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:34,600
Speaker 1: the roster. I think he'd started about twenty games for

1798
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:38,640
Speaker 1: the Thunder when everything fell apart um with all of

1799
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 1: society and whatnot. But yeah, I'm I'm curious about this

1800
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 1: because they might not be the only players that we see.

1801
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 1: Like you've got to understand, the number two and number

1802
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 1: seven recruit in the country last year went to the

1803
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 1: University of Washington. We're still waiting to hear if Isaiah

1804
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 1: Stewart and Jade McDaniels are going to be joining the

1805
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 1: rest of this list. This is an interesting list be

1806
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 1: because you know you have some good players, but are

1807
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:10,800
Speaker 1: they NBA caliber? Back to school? Um, I I look

1808
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:13,679
Speaker 1: at Romelo White and I do not see an NBA player,

1809
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 1: regardless of how long he stays in school. So if

1810
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 1: he wants to go ahead and just get his professional

1811
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 1: career started, you know, because he's Romello White to me

1812
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 1: is like, is like an Antonio Davis type. And I

1813
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:30,479
Speaker 1: don't know if there is room for Antonio Davis in

1814
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 1: today's NBA. Can you have a big, bruising power forward

1815
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 1: who's not a shooter. No. Yeah, so and then you

1816
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 1: know Remy. You and I have already talked about Remy.

1817
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,080
Speaker 1: You know, if he goes he's probably gonna be a

1818
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:47,720
Speaker 1: second round pick. He's an energy guy. It doesn't matter

1819
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:49,680
Speaker 1: where he goes in the world, he's gonna be a

1820
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 1: fan favorite. And so I can understand him leaving and

1821
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 1: wanting to get his professional career started. At the same time,

1822
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 1: if you turn around and you look at the fact

1823
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 1: that Arizona State is bringing in a recruiting class that

1824
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:04,400
Speaker 1: looks very, very similar to what Washington brought in last

1825
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:07,080
Speaker 1: year with two five stars, maybe you want to turn

1826
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 1: around and go back if you're a Remy and and

1827
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:12,839
Speaker 1: be part of, you know, the Marcus Bagley Josh Christopher

1828
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 1: experiment that's going to be um going on there um.

1829
01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 1: But so that he's somebody that I think could possibly

1830
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 1: change his mind. I know that a s U fans

1831
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 1: are hoping um that he does. Uh. Chris Smith from

1832
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 1: U c l A to me, I've seen some people

1833
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 1: say that that's a guy that uh could be like

1834
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 1: a late second round pick and never should have declared.

1835
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: I actually best available player in Mike drafts. I I see,

1836
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,639
Speaker 1: I I agree, I see. I think that someone's gonna

1837
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 1: fall in love with him in a workout because he's

1838
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 1: he can shoot, he's long, he's kind of and I know,

1839
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, Marvin Williams went second overall, so comparing him

1840
01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 1: to Marvin Williams isn't necessarily fair. But that's his kind

1841
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 1: of game, right. But he's got a little bit more range.

1842
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 1: So I actually like Chris Smith. I think that if

1843
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 1: you give him a chance, he can make a roster

1844
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 1: depending on where Josh Green goes. I think he's gonna

1845
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 1: be in the NBA for fifteen years. If you can

1846
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 1: get Josh Green in a in a Greg Popovich system, uh,

1847
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 1: then then he's gonna be golden. Right. He's gonna he's

1848
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:20,760
Speaker 1: gonna play really really good defense. He's gonna be super

1849
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 1: high effort, and the offense will come over time. I

1850
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,719
Speaker 1: don't know about Nickomanion. I don't know where he fits

1851
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:29,920
Speaker 1: in or who's gonna take a chance on him. He

1852
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 1: had a weird year. I think he needs to be

1853
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:33,639
Speaker 1: on a team where there's already a ton of talent

1854
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 1: and he can come off the bench and be a

1855
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 1: spark plug back. Up point guard, UM, Tyler Bay and McKinley. Right,

1856
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 1: I just think they should come back and give it

1857
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 1: one last go at Colorado. Both gotch is a three

1858
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 1: and D guy. Um. Some NBA scouts might like him. Um,

1859
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 1: he's somebody that I watched play in high school. He

1860
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 1: played at a charter school down here, and maybe he's

1861
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 1: just looking to get out and go professional as soon

1862
01:48:57,439 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: as he can, because you know, he's an international guy

1863
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 1: as well. The one that is interesting to me is

1864
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:04,360
Speaker 1: Zeke Naji because I think he's a really really good

1865
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 1: college basketball player. UM. Didn't really see much from him

1866
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:14,560
Speaker 1: that I think translates to a successful NBA career, But

1867
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:16,759
Speaker 1: you know, I could see him go in early second

1868
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 1: round and making a roster and Um, but he could

1869
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 1: do special things if he hung around college basketball. So

1870
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 1: this is these these I don't see any of those

1871
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,720
Speaker 1: you have a guys coming back though they rarely ever

1872
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 1: do so, UM. I think the Colorado guys might change

1873
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: their mind. Uh, maybe Chris Smith will, but I doubt it.

1874
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what if none of them do. What

1875
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:46,320
Speaker 1: if none of these players come back? Dude, if none

1876
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:49,560
Speaker 1: of them come come back, they're all going to be

1877
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:52,720
Speaker 1: not all, but half of them are going to be

1878
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:55,599
Speaker 1: wishing that they did go back to school because they

1879
01:49:55,640 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 1: will either be playing in in Serbia, which which may

1880
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:04,400
Speaker 1: not even be having a team that you know in

1881
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 1: the next part of the early season. You know, like

1882
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:10,560
Speaker 1: there's so many layers to this, considering the coronavirus and

1883
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,280
Speaker 1: all this. But a lot of these dudes, half of

1884
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:19,000
Speaker 1: them at least, especially if O Congo from usc enter

1885
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:22,960
Speaker 1: like there's so many and the Washington guys enter like

1886
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 1: there's so much downside, Like you're not one of I mean,

1887
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 1: just just from a realistic standpoint, any of those guys

1888
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 1: that that came that we named, they're not gonna get

1889
01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:43,559
Speaker 1: drafted before Anthony Edwards from Georgia, LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman, Uh,

1890
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 1: the kid from auburn A Cooro Uh, that kid from

1891
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 1: Israel that they like, the Congo or be topping Cole Anthony, Like,

1892
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: they're not gonna get drafted before any of those dudes.

1893
01:50:56,160 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: So you're already get number ten before you can even

1894
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 1: be picked. And there's nine of them. I definitely don't

1895
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 1: see any NBA All Stars here. Do you see anybody

1896
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 1: who could be a starter NBA starter? Maybe give me,

1897
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 1: give me your give me your two guys off this

1898
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 1: list that you think are most likely to succeed Nick Omanion.

1899
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 1: And if Josh Green goes to the right situation, Yeah,

1900
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 1: that's fair. That's fair because if he if he goes

1901
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 1: to some terrible team, well who knows, because then he'll

1902
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:42,559
Speaker 1: be at p J. Tucker right like someone. Then someone's

1903
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:44,720
Speaker 1: gonna want to come and trade for him because they'll

1904
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 1: see that he's the high energy guy on the bad team. Yeah,

1905
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:56,800
Speaker 1: it's just I wouldn't want to risk risk my um yeah,

1906
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,719
Speaker 1: my future on that. I would just want a little

1907
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 1: bit it more security if I if I have a

1908
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 1: pick in the early twenties, I'm I'm drooling over Josh

1909
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 1: Green any of these other players Nicomannon included, who I've

1910
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,720
Speaker 1: been watching since he was in eighth grade. I just

1911
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 1: don't see where he can he run a team? Can

1912
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:22,599
Speaker 1: he guard jam Rant and Chris Paul and all these

1913
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 1: freaking monsters that he's gonna have to deal with the

1914
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:35,439
Speaker 1: daily pass? Imagine Nicomanion lining up against Russell Westbrook right now. Yeah, yeah,

1915
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:40,479
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. And he's a and and

1916
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:45,040
Speaker 1: and Nico is Nico's got a weird game because he's

1917
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:47,559
Speaker 1: kind of ball dominant, but he also has a point guard,

1918
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 1: so you're supposed to be he's somebody who can pull up.

1919
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:55,040
Speaker 1: He's got like JJ Reddick level offensive skill, but he

1920
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:57,960
Speaker 1: didn't get to display it because his team was an

1921
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:01,439
Speaker 1: absolute mess. Some times it was his fault because he

1922
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:05,680
Speaker 1: never just took the game over. UM. I don't know.

1923
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see how he does. I want

1924
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:10,080
Speaker 1: to I want to cheer for him and believe in

1925
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 1: him because he's an Arizona guy and I've been watching

1926
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:14,640
Speaker 1: him since he was in junior high. But I just

1927
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, he's got the athleticism on offense to make

1928
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 1: it work. He's a freak athlete. But defensively, you mentioned

1929
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook's name, and I'm just like, oh, good lord,

1930
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:31,600
Speaker 1: good luck, good luck. Imagine that intensity. UM. I know.

1931
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 1: Also you wanted to talk about Arizona's international class because

1932
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 1: what well, so we got the d commits from the

1933
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 1: PAC twelve, which have been you know, going to the

1934
01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: G League, and you know, in a conference that was

1935
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 1: coming up because the PAC twelve was having a good

1936
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:51,360
Speaker 1: year this year compared to the the year prior, where

1937
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, The only team that had made it out

1938
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:55,720
Speaker 1: of the first round of the tournament out of the

1939
01:53:55,880 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 1: three was Oregon. And you know, and out you've got Arizona,

1940
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 1: who's not even recruiting American players. You know you yeah,

1941
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:11,360
Speaker 1: you have um Sean Sean Miller who has clearly figured

1942
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 1: out that talking on the phone to about recruits to

1943
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 1: American people is too risky. So now he's going to

1944
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 1: go buy international players. Oh hey, now, and maybe he

1945
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:27,360
Speaker 1: did figure out that that, uh, the FBI doesn't have

1946
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:32,280
Speaker 1: the budget to be tapping international calls. Um, but I

1947
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:37,840
Speaker 1: I I'll say this, Uh, I look at University of

1948
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:40,880
Speaker 1: Arizona's recruiting class and the first thing I wanted to

1949
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:42,400
Speaker 1: do is pick up the phone and call you and

1950
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 1: be like, hey, are these guys geniuses? Are they just

1951
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 1: taking what they can get? Because part of it really

1952
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:51,000
Speaker 1: feels like they see that this is the future. And

1953
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 1: so if you don't go depend on a guy who

1954
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,600
Speaker 1: can be like our our guy at U c l

1955
01:54:56,680 --> 01:55:02,000
Speaker 1: a um Dacian who who who signed and then turned

1956
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:04,800
Speaker 1: around and said that he was going to uh the

1957
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:06,840
Speaker 1: G League. If you don't have to depend on guys

1958
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:09,280
Speaker 1: like that, who could you know? Sign an l o

1959
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 1: I and then not be part of the class, then

1960
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:15,080
Speaker 1: maybe you're doing things the right way. So I think

1961
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little bit of clairvoyance and foresight on

1962
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 1: the site on the side of Sean Miller. And I

1963
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:24,280
Speaker 1: think maybe we should give him some some credit, um

1964
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 1: for what he's doing to put together a pretty decent

1965
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:32,000
Speaker 1: recruiting class of guys who actually want to play college basketball.

1966
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:34,520
Speaker 1: I just wanted it was one on your take. Do

1967
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,520
Speaker 1: you think it's he's doing it out of necessity, um,

1968
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:40,240
Speaker 1: because his name has been tarnished a little bit with

1969
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 1: the with with with the with the the American high

1970
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:47,040
Speaker 1: levels pro I don't know this stuff was going on

1971
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:49,480
Speaker 1: when he got a commitment from Dale and Terry and

1972
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 1: Nicomainia exactly. They don't care not He now has to

1973
01:55:55,600 --> 01:56:01,680
Speaker 1: deliver results though, like he's got to win some dog

1974
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,480
Speaker 1: going games, like he has to like when it comes

1975
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 1: to the tournament, because I would say that no matter

1976
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 1: how good is recruiting classes are, he's on the hot

1977
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 1: seat like he has to be right. Maybe yeah, And

1978
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:17,520
Speaker 1: I think I'm laughing when you say, like the recruits

1979
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:19,920
Speaker 1: don't care, because it reminds me that like the thing

1980
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,600
Speaker 1: where you know, girls will talk bad about another girl

1981
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 1: and say that she's like a skank or something like that,

1982
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:29,680
Speaker 1: expecting that, um, you know, she'll say it out loud

1983
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 1: to a group of guys, thinking the guys will be

1984
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 1: discussed by it, and then the next day all the

1985
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:35,880
Speaker 1: guys that she said that too are hanging out with

1986
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:39,440
Speaker 1: the girl that she called a skank. Like, yeah, maybe

1987
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:41,480
Speaker 1: more people want to go to the University of Arizona

1988
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 1: because they think that Sean Miller is willing to make

1989
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 1: sure that their families are taken care of. You know,

1990
01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:48,560
Speaker 1: you don't you don't really know how some of these

1991
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:52,400
Speaker 1: recruits are going to react. Um, But you know, I

1992
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 1: don't know if it was up to Sean Miller, if

1993
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:57,280
Speaker 1: he would want to be taken you know, three or

1994
01:56:57,320 --> 01:57:00,160
Speaker 1: four guys that speak three or four different languages them

1995
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:02,720
Speaker 1: all over the world, he'd probably want to try to

1996
01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 1: get some of the top ten local players. But it's

1997
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:08,960
Speaker 1: just that this is the environment now. Yeah, you you

1998
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:14,520
Speaker 1: do have to be able to recruit internationally now because

1999
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:18,560
Speaker 1: they have some really dog on good players. But they

2000
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 1: had Lain in just a couple of years ago, and

2001
01:57:21,240 --> 01:57:23,480
Speaker 1: he's one of the best players to come out of

2002
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 1: you know you have a in the last few years. Yep. Agree, Um, yeah,

2003
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:33,880
Speaker 1: And like, do you think that the Pack twelve teams

2004
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:39,480
Speaker 1: are going to be okay surviving all these these couple

2005
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:44,800
Speaker 1: D commits and potential players going to the G League,

2006
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:49,400
Speaker 1: because I think that that has to change how you recruit. Yeah,

2007
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:51,560
Speaker 1: I know. My answer is no, I don't think they're

2008
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 1: gonna be okay because this was the year to be

2009
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 1: really excited about Four of rivals top six players in

2010
01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:59,840
Speaker 1: the country are all from the state of California, and

2011
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 1: six of the top thirteen are all on the West Coast.

2012
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: And now this is the year that a lot of

2013
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:08,480
Speaker 1: those guys realize that they can actually play in a

2014
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,480
Speaker 1: G League franchise in California instead of having to go

2015
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:14,440
Speaker 1: to one of these California or Pack twelve schools. That's

2016
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:20,360
Speaker 1: not good. Arizona State, yea, Arizona State is a great

2017
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:22,560
Speaker 1: place to go to college, but it should never be

2018
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:26,840
Speaker 1: the place, you know, historically anyway, it should never be

2019
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:30,280
Speaker 1: the place that's out there out recruiting everybody else in

2020
01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:34,360
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve for basketball prospects. You know that a

2021
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:37,360
Speaker 1: su getting to five star players is good for them,

2022
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:39,920
Speaker 1: but for everybody else, it just means everyone else is

2023
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:42,280
Speaker 1: kind of having a down year. So no, this was

2024
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:45,960
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve was not okay before. It's definitely not

2025
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna be okay now, um it's gonna be It's yeah,

2026
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:53,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard times for the Pac twelve schools

2027
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:55,840
Speaker 1: as far as basketball goes. So if you if your

2028
01:58:56,000 --> 01:59:00,920
Speaker 1: kid were a big time recruit, which would you do?

2029
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 1: Would you tell? Would you tell him to go to college?

2030
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling if he's a top ten recruit, potential one

2031
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 1: and done player, you're telling a little little little Ralph

2032
01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 1: Amsdon Junior Jr. Yeah, to go to college? Or are

2033
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:23,720
Speaker 1: you telling him to take this five from the G League,

2034
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 1: your your your full scholarship, life skills and all of that.

2035
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 1: I would? I mean, I want to see what the

2036
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 1: package the n C double A puts together in order

2037
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:38,520
Speaker 1: to say, like, here's what you could do to market

2038
01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:41,440
Speaker 1: your name, image and likeness. Because I feel like, you know,

2039
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to be in a situation where I

2040
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:49,600
Speaker 1: essentially run a company that that unintentionally markets a lot

2041
01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:53,560
Speaker 1: of these kids, Right, so I understand a little bit

2042
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:57,000
Speaker 1: about this business, and if I actually had somebody who

2043
01:59:57,080 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 1: I was responsible for Shepherding. I would know what to

2044
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:02,720
Speaker 1: tell them as far as you know, what they'd be

2045
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:04,960
Speaker 1: able to do and how they'd be able to capitalize

2046
02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:07,960
Speaker 1: off of building their brand. If that's something that they

2047
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:10,160
Speaker 1: were interested in, I'd like to say that I'd just

2048
02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:12,280
Speaker 1: be a good parent and ask them what they want

2049
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:14,320
Speaker 1: to do. But we all know that having a kid

2050
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:17,160
Speaker 1: that that that's that good turns you into an insane person,

2051
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 1: right so, um, I would say that insane me would

2052
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 1: say that you could probably go to one year of

2053
02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:26,080
Speaker 1: college get yourself into march madness because there's no better

2054
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,280
Speaker 1: marketing tool. You won't be able to get that level

2055
02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:32,080
Speaker 1: of national brand exposure in the G League, not yet anyway,

2056
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:34,280
Speaker 1: And I would say, all right, let's go in. Let's

2057
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:36,400
Speaker 1: get you a couple of sponsorship deals to make sure

2058
02:00:36,440 --> 02:00:38,480
Speaker 1: that you don't want for anything, and that you have

2059
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:40,920
Speaker 1: a positive college experience and that if you do get hurt,

2060
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:43,560
Speaker 1: you do have a little bit of an st egg. Um.

2061
02:00:43,800 --> 02:00:45,760
Speaker 1: And also, if you do get hurt, you're in college

2062
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:47,760
Speaker 1: and they're you know, they're gonna have to pay for

2063
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:51,440
Speaker 1: you to finish your education anyway. Um, So I would

2064
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:54,880
Speaker 1: say that right now, if the package is good enough,

2065
02:00:55,400 --> 02:00:57,480
Speaker 1: as far as what kids are allowed to do to

2066
02:00:57,640 --> 02:01:01,480
Speaker 1: market themselves. I still think there's some appeal to go

2067
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:04,600
Speaker 1: into college basketball, which is funny because that's the exact

2068
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:07,080
Speaker 1: opposite of everything that I just told you about what

2069
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:09,440
Speaker 1: I like to see as a consumer. But you're talking

2070
02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:11,720
Speaker 1: about me as the dad. And if I feel like

2071
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:14,640
Speaker 1: you can go to college and also get paid, have

2072
02:01:14,760 --> 02:01:16,080
Speaker 1: your cake and eat it too, I'm gonna tell them

2073
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:21,080
Speaker 1: to go to college. See, I would beg to differ

2074
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:24,840
Speaker 1: only unless the package is already set up before we

2075
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:28,360
Speaker 1: get there, because once you get into March Madness and

2076
02:01:28,440 --> 02:01:31,760
Speaker 1: March Madness is over, you're not gonna have any money

2077
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:37,000
Speaker 1: there because, like in terms of endorsements, because you're leaving school. Yeah,

2078
02:01:37,240 --> 02:01:41,200
Speaker 1: so you're already into the pro money then. So this

2079
02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 1: is a no brainer for me at this point in

2080
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:47,240
Speaker 1: time because the rules won't take into effect for until

2081
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:51,400
Speaker 1: twenty two season. But yeah, so it would be a

2082
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:54,440
Speaker 1: no brainer right right now? Would it? Would it be

2083
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:56,200
Speaker 1: a no brainer for you right now, being that the

2084
02:01:56,280 --> 02:02:00,880
Speaker 1: rules aren't in place yet? Yeah? Yeah, I mean dollars absolutely,

2085
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:05,360
Speaker 1: and and and a full scholarship, yeah and a yes,

2086
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:09,680
Speaker 1: and a and a full scholarship. So you have a backup, lan, Yeah, no,

2087
02:02:09,880 --> 02:02:12,840
Speaker 1: you're you're You're absolutely right. So that, yeah, they'll they'll

2088
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:15,560
Speaker 1: be able to go to school. You know what money's there,

2089
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:18,240
Speaker 1: they'll be able to keep at least two K of that.

2090
02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:20,400
Speaker 1: It'll it'll get a little bit of a news run,

2091
02:02:21,080 --> 02:02:23,040
Speaker 1: um that this is what my kids doing. So you

2092
02:02:23,120 --> 02:02:25,600
Speaker 1: can actually go out and and you know, if you

2093
02:02:25,680 --> 02:02:28,400
Speaker 1: if your agents doing a decent enough job, you know,

2094
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:31,839
Speaker 1: you can get them a couple of small local marketing

2095
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:33,560
Speaker 1: gigs where they're going to be at as well as

2096
02:02:33,560 --> 02:02:36,360
Speaker 1: where they're from. So that that's definitely something that you

2097
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:40,440
Speaker 1: can work to your advantage if you're a crazy stage dad. Um.

2098
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:46,560
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, I've seen my kids um try to play sports,

2099
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:49,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think I'm ever gonna have this specific issue.

2100
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:53,600
Speaker 1: But hopefully, hopefully this is an issue I'm running into

2101
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:57,360
Speaker 1: and like more years, well you know what's funny, is

2102
02:02:57,400 --> 02:02:59,960
Speaker 1: it three, three or four more years we'll bring this up.

2103
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:01,800
Speaker 1: We're all in quarantine, and I decided I'm gonna try

2104
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:04,480
Speaker 1: to get in some shape. I'm I'm doing okay. I've

2105
02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:06,680
Speaker 1: I've lost like forty two pounds. Probably need to do

2106
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:10,120
Speaker 1: that a couple of more times before I brag, But uh,

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Speaker 1: I made my kids work out too, And they're super

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Speaker 1: indoor kids. They're they're not really into athletics or anything.

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Speaker 1: And we've been at this for about six geeks. And

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Speaker 1: my two older sons who are just kind of gamers

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Speaker 1: and and and nerdy and once more into like drama

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Speaker 1: and fine arts. Um, they're both jacked. We've been doing

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Speaker 1: this for six weeks. And and I got two kids

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Speaker 1: who are like ripped and have you know, muscles that

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Speaker 1: they don't even they're not even gonna use for anything

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Speaker 1: except to push the circle button a little bit harder

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Speaker 1: on the PlayStation. So I'm I'm I'm like jealous of

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Speaker 1: my own kids when I was only making them do

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Speaker 1: any of this stuff to pass the time. Dude. See,

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Speaker 1: it's it's good. This may spark something in them. I

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Speaker 1: mean that they may go out and be like some

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Speaker 1: sort of you know, uh uh e sports legend or

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Speaker 1: something something durance race. You know, I'm having second thoughts

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Speaker 1: because I'm like, okay, so so they got built up

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Speaker 1: pretty quick. Now I'm show them how to bounce a

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Speaker 1: basketball around and get myself dumped on. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to get dunked off about like, don't play those

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Speaker 1: games with your kids. Do to be the guy who

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Speaker 1: stands under the rim. It's a bad idea. But we

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Speaker 1: want to thank you guys so much for listening to

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Speaker 1: the PAC twelve apostles. We appreciate your time, We appreciate

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Speaker 1: your energy on this mega episode. Uh please make sure

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys are safe, health and hold during this

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Speaker 1: quarantine time. Peace out, Catch you guys later