WEBVTT - Oil, ICE, and the Science of Control - Lab 123

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<v Speaker 1>I'm t T and I'm Zakiah, and this is Dope Labs.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that mixes hardcore

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<v Speaker 1>science with pop culture and a healthy dose of friendship.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we say Happy New Year? I don't know? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it too late? I feel like, what's the rules? I

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<v Speaker 1>saw something to say that after the eighth you're not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to. Oh, well, I've been messing up relate. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Well I won't say Happy New Year. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say it's a new year. It's January. It's January, and

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<v Speaker 1>our calendar year has changed. It has That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And listen, we've been away for a while, been getting

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<v Speaker 2>some reruns that I think are important to hear in

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<v Speaker 2>a new year. But we're back with a grab bag,

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<v Speaker 2>and today's grab back has ranged.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, honey, we going over it all, everything that you've

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<v Speaker 1>been like. I wonder if teen's the key you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this? Yes, it is here, Yes, today, Yes, today,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with Venezuela first. Yes, Oh my goodness. So

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<v Speaker 1>we know that the US government went into Venezuela, captured

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<v Speaker 1>their current president and brought him back here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's given homeland it's given political thriller, but also it's

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<v Speaker 2>giving history book, and so.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about this TT.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what this is revealed for me is just

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<v Speaker 2>how weak my like geopolitical knowledge is.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely because I was like, why what's going on? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand. That was like the first questions that popped

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<v Speaker 1>into my head, like why are we doing this? Why

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<v Speaker 1>are we doing this now? If he was a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't he always been a problem? And we have like

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<v Speaker 1>there was just so many questions and not enough answers.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think we had to do the digging. So

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<v Speaker 2>now you don't have to. Let's just give folks a

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<v Speaker 2>fast timeline, I think, so they have some context now.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people start the clock in nineteen fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>because that was when Venezuela had its first big oil weal,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's history before that. In Venezuela. The indigenous peoples

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<v Speaker 2>there used oil and asphalts, so from like natural places

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<v Speaker 2>or what they call like seeps where you can get

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<v Speaker 2>access to it without drilling. They were using that for

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<v Speaker 2>purposes like waterproofing fuel, and it was also thought that

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<v Speaker 2>there were medicinal purposes, and so they were using it

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<v Speaker 2>in medicinal ways, and that was adopted by colonizers that

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<v Speaker 2>later came to Venezuela in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries.

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<v Speaker 2>So oil has been around and has been known about

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<v Speaker 2>and used in Venezuela since the sixteenth and seventeenth century

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<v Speaker 2>and before then.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a part of their culture and a part

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<v Speaker 1>of their national history and story. Yes, in nineteen twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Venezuela became the world's top oil exporter. Yeah, so now

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<v Speaker 1>there are foreign he's involved. And around nineteen forty three,

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<v Speaker 1>the Venezuelan government claimed fifty percent of the profits. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't blame them, right, because there's a lot of money there. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>If you fast forward to nineteen fifty eight, there was

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<v Speaker 1>more state share and no new concessions to outside oil companies.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I was reading about this, I was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm Venezuela, I'm not gonna let y'all milk all

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<v Speaker 2>the profits off of my land, exactly. And so by

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five to nineteen seventy six, Venezuela said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>y'all get on out of here. We we're gonna take over.

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<v Speaker 2>And so like they had their own kind of company.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the PDVSA, and it's like petrol to Venezuela. You

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<v Speaker 2>know my Spanish, you know, none of my stuff is

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<v Speaker 2>right there, but you speak Japanese.

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<v Speaker 1>She do, y'all?

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<v Speaker 2>She do so shady. I don't care if people know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a president of the Japanese club in high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Now my Japanese has fallen off since then, but I

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<v Speaker 2>still claim it. So nineteen seventy five, Venezuela takes and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, hey, we can do this on our own.

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<v Speaker 2>But by the nineties they're reaching out to private partners

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<v Speaker 2>for heavy oil.

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<v Speaker 1>So crude oil is the raw material, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>a naturally occurring yellowish black liquid found underground in reservoir.

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<v Speaker 1>So again that is unprocessed and raw material. What petroleum is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a broad category that encompasses crude oil. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you have crude oil, the unprocessed form that is petroleum.

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<v Speaker 1>You have natural gas, which is often found in crude oil.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have petroleum products, so that's refined crude oil

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<v Speaker 1>that gives you gasoline, jet fuel, diesel, heating oil, asphault,

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<v Speaker 1>and plastics. And so we call all of these fossil

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<v Speaker 1>fuels because they're from the ground and they're actually made

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<v Speaker 1>from fossilized materials, so fossilized plants and animals, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>where we get that oil from. So even within crude oils,

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<v Speaker 1>there's heavy crude oil and then there's light crude oil.

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<v Speaker 1>Heavy crude oil is more viscous, so it's thicker. The

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<v Speaker 1>higher the viscosity, the thicker the liquid. Light crude oil

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<v Speaker 1>is thinner, so it has a lower viscosity. And refineries

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<v Speaker 1>run on a mix of crude oils to run efficiently

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<v Speaker 1>and have maximum output. And the statistics says that nearly

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<v Speaker 1>seventy percent of US refining capacity runs most efficiently on

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<v Speaker 1>heavier crude oil. And that's why ninety percent of crude

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<v Speaker 1>oil imports into the United States are heavier than US

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<v Speaker 1>produced SHLLE crude, and we get most of that from

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<v Speaker 1>Venezuela and Canada. Yes, exactly, and that's the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>it is such a big deal. Heavy oil requires a

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<v Speaker 1>lot for you to get it out. If somebody just

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<v Speaker 1>takes over an oil well, there's still a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>technology that has to be invested in keeping those kind

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<v Speaker 1>of that drilling up. There's a lot of safety measurements

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<v Speaker 1>you need a lot of maintenance. You need skilled laborers,

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<v Speaker 1>you need all that. So Venezuela said, hey, we took

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<v Speaker 1>over all this. Actually we want to move into these

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<v Speaker 1>other areas of the nation. We need help from outside

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<v Speaker 1>investors to do that. And so they opened it back

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<v Speaker 1>up to private partners, right, and then we enter into

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<v Speaker 1>the Hugo Chavez era in nineteen ninety eight, and he

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<v Speaker 1>uses the PDVSA, you know what Takia was talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>That took over and he uses that money to fund

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<v Speaker 1>social programs. And what that does is that it creates

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of tension and tension spike. And in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two there was a massive strike. All production

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<v Speaker 1>stalled and Hugo Chavez, the president of the time, fired

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thousand workers and packed the PDVSA with his loyalists.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, you have an objection, get out of here. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna just bring in all my friends. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do what I say. Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>But then by two thousand and seven, the government forces

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<v Speaker 2>those foreign firms that were there to their stakes. They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we got a little help from y'all. Now

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<v Speaker 2>y'all get out of here. So Conicco Phillips and Exon Mobile.

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<v Speaker 2>They get out of there, but they know them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we know them. But they also sue because they're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a contract or, we said we were gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be here investing in this much. We spent a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money here and that became a problem. And later

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<v Speaker 1>they were awarded billions, but I think some of the

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<v Speaker 1>issues that they weren't able to recoup a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>those funds. Who is they in that situation? The foreign

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<v Speaker 1>companies that we know Exxon and Conicco, Phillips. So now

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<v Speaker 1>we're in twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen. Moduro, the Maduro

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<v Speaker 1>that we have now captured and brought back to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, became president in twenty thirteen. Twenty thirteen. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a long time to be president if you're thinking, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>up to twenty twenty five, and then there's a big

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<v Speaker 1>crash and global prices tank for oil, and the PDVSA

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<v Speaker 1>was already cash strapped, and so in twenty seventeen, the

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<v Speaker 1>US sanctions officials and the PDVSA over repression and Maduro's

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<v Speaker 1>power graph.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I think this is interesting that the US was

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<v Speaker 2>sanctioning them because that repression that they're talking about is

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<v Speaker 2>contested elections, power consolidation, intimidating the media.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't that sound familiar?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, pattern recognition, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that was interesting. But when we keep going past twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen and into the early twenty twenties, we see the

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<v Speaker 2>Venezuelan economy kind of nose diving. They're experiencing hyperinflation, food insecurity,

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<v Speaker 2>and a health system collapse, and a lot of that

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<v Speaker 2>is tied to them having historic lows in oil output

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of the funds were coming from there,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're also having power failures and that affects drilling

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<v Speaker 2>and oil rigs in its own way. So that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we see moving into the twenty twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we are almost present day. So twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a pivot. The Trump administration ramps up military

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<v Speaker 1>presence in the Caribbean, and this sends a signal that

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<v Speaker 1>they have an intent to push Moduro out of his

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<v Speaker 1>presidential seat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and January seventh, after Maduro is captured, US officials

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<v Speaker 2>basically say, hey, this is our plan to effectively run

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<v Speaker 2>Venezuela's oil sales. They say outright, like this is about oil,

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump says that US companies are going to invest

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<v Speaker 2>billions in Venezuela. They're going to rebuild the infrastructure and

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<v Speaker 2>make money. Now I think that's interesting because that's easy

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<v Speaker 2>to say.

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<v Speaker 1>And very hard to do. To remove a president, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of your feelings about his presidency, to remove a president

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<v Speaker 1>from a country, we'll send that country into a tailspin.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's so much political imbalance. Now, this is all

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting because it is all about power and these

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<v Speaker 1>large displays of power. So like to go in and

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<v Speaker 1>capture somebody, to capture a president of a country, like

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<v Speaker 1>when you do that show of power and force and violence,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they show like okay images of him, like

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<v Speaker 1>here's proof of life. All you know, there were some

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<v Speaker 1>people on the internet given and conspiracy theories and they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, hey, who has three outfit changes? I think

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of plot twists even since then.

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<v Speaker 1>So did you see the press conference where I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you used to get caught passing notes in class,

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<v Speaker 1>but basically somebody passed a note of Trump and he

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<v Speaker 1>raised his hand and read it out loud. Basically that

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<v Speaker 1>was the effectively what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And in that same press conference, though, an representative from

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<v Speaker 2>Exion said that Venezuela is uninvestable. And I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is really interesting because there's a lot of science behind

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<v Speaker 2>all of this. Since we've been producing dope labs the

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<v Speaker 2>thing I have seen even though I knew it, like

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<v Speaker 2>when we said it, like there's science everywhere. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of science to this, And so when they talk

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<v Speaker 2>about things being when they talk about Venezuela being uninvestable,

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<v Speaker 2>from Exxon's perspective, they're probably like.

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<v Speaker 1>We got burned before.

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<v Speaker 2>We spent billions there, and how are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure you enforce this stuff in the countries that

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<v Speaker 2>are like the top producers for all you'll find the

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<v Speaker 2>United States involved in the politics there, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's a little interesting to me because this

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<v Speaker 1>current administration ran on quote unquote America first and not

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<v Speaker 1>being involved in international disputes or being involved internationally really

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<v Speaker 1>at all, Like we have retreated from a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>international engagements. But then we are going into another country, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and removing their president. Yes, it's very very contradictory to

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<v Speaker 1>what he said that he was running on.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's also really interesting. One of the things

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<v Speaker 2>you brought up is like, how upsetting. And when I

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<v Speaker 2>say upsetting, I mean yes, emotionally upsetting, but the ripple

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<v Speaker 2>effects of removing very disrupting, the disruption of this type

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<v Speaker 2>of removal, removing a president. And it I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>we can think back to what it looked like. We

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even see the removal of a president. We didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see a coup, but we saw the attempt of a

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<v Speaker 2>coup January sixth, twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we've seen these big power grabs and how

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<v Speaker 1>it makes people feel and how it destabilizes, like even

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of social fabric of a nation. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think we don't even just to think about things that

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<v Speaker 1>are upsetting or violations of what we consider to be

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<v Speaker 1>decorum or social contracts or how we govern. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>even have to go all the way back to January sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one. We can just go back to January

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<v Speaker 1>sixth this year, and if we pivot when we stayed stateside,

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<v Speaker 1>like we saw Minnesota just become the center of one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest immigration enforcements, having ICE there and we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking like thousands of agents descending on their city. And

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<v Speaker 1>that led to a fatal shooting of Renee Good exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine you have all of these ICE agents coming to

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<v Speaker 1>your city, some of them in unmarked vehicles, they're wearing

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<v Speaker 1>their gear, their sirens, and there's so much more enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>than you are used to. And so during one of

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<v Speaker 1>these ICE operations, a thirty seven year old US citizen,

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<v Speaker 1>Renee Good, was shot and killed by an ICE officer.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a bunch of videos that capture the moments

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<v Speaker 1>before and after, who was doing, what, what was said,

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<v Speaker 1>and now the evidence is under federal control and the

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<v Speaker 1>state investigators say that complicates their work a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll watch a lot of political thrillers and crime like.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's fiction, but a lot of times it

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<v Speaker 1>mimics the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just like, who has jurisdiction over this? And

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<v Speaker 2>if it's in federal hands and we're saying, hey, this

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<v Speaker 2>was a federal operation that maybe went wrong, there feels

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<v Speaker 2>like a comp ventrist, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And you already have the federal government saying the ICE

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<v Speaker 1>agent did nothing wrong and that this is just what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when you are defiant, and it's like, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to do an investigation How are you already coming

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<v Speaker 1>to a conclusion without an investigation that doesn't make sense,

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<v Speaker 1>that is unprecedented, that doesn't follow the methods that we

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<v Speaker 1>say we uphold for sure. And so now you're having

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<v Speaker 1>some suits from the state, from the city of Minneapolis

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<v Speaker 1>and Saint Paul, and they're saying this is like a

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<v Speaker 1>federal invasion basically causing this disruption. And so then they.

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<v Speaker 2>Had protests, spreading agents were deployed, tear gas, and so

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<v Speaker 2>now this makes us consider like, where are the constitutional lines,

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<v Speaker 2>what is a tactic that is okay? How do we

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<v Speaker 2>even address accountability when we have officers that are masked.

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<v Speaker 2>All I can think about is like, how does this

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<v Speaker 2>feel on the ground?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I hear a lot of people saying, like, I'm watching

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<v Speaker 2>the news in this upsetting, which I totally get. But

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<v Speaker 2>can you imagine if this is outside your door? I

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<v Speaker 2>could not imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>And it feels like so much bad happens in Minneapolis.

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<v Speaker 1>The amount of anxiety that you would have moving around

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<v Speaker 1>that city, I would imagine is just so exponentially high. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching some of the interviews right after Renee

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<v Speaker 2>Good was shot and killed, and there was a person

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<v Speaker 2>saying this feels like George Floyd in twenty twenty, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all over again. But I'm like just thinking biologically, like

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<v Speaker 2>the cortisol that must be coursing through your veins, the

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<v Speaker 2>fight or flight always going off because you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>who's who or what's beyond this next traffic, Like, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are going to be the lingering effects of that?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, thinking about the loss of your loved ones,

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<v Speaker 2>people in your community, your neighbors, people being taken just

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<v Speaker 2>taken off the streets, out of their homes, like that

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<v Speaker 2>feels really scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, We've talked about ripple effects. The ripple effects from

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<v Speaker 1>this will be felt for a very very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so seeds of distrust of our government. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so seeds of distrust of law enforcement and will feel

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<v Speaker 1>it across this country in our interactions with law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>and our interactions with the government. And I really I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we would be remiss if we did not

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Keith Porter, a black man who was killed

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<v Speaker 1>by an off duty ice officer on New Year's Eve.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't made a lot of headlines, but I really

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<v Speaker 1>just want to say his name and make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Porter we talk about getting justice for him. He

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<v Speaker 1>was outside on New Year's Eve and his community one

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<v Speaker 1>of the traditions is to shoot rounds into the sky

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<v Speaker 1>and celebration. An off duty ice officer sees him with

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<v Speaker 1>a gun and kills him right there. It just doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem right because all of the people of that community

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, this is a normal thing that we do

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<v Speaker 1>every single year for decades, and so it was just

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<v Speaker 1>really really heart wrenching. This happened in la and I

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<v Speaker 1>think this just also speaks to understanding community and context.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly what we're seeing is people are being deployed to

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<v Speaker 1>communities that they are not a part of, where you

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<v Speaker 1>lack context, where you lack an understanding of what is typical,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you're responding to something and the atypical thing

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<v Speaker 1>is you. You are the variable, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we have a person having their life taken

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<v Speaker 2>because of an action that you weren't even on duty,

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't even necessary, you know. And so I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 2>did bring that up. And I think it also just

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<v Speaker 2>this feels like the same thing we just talked about

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<v Speaker 2>when we see people in the media being targeted, when

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<v Speaker 2>we see organizations not sharing their perspective for fear of

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<v Speaker 2>retribution or for fear of retaliation, but who's getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>to sanction us for repression? Because this feels like the

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<v Speaker 2>same things that made the US sanction Venezuela years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yes, there's some science behind all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>but also there's a lot of humanity there that and

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<v Speaker 2>so we're keeping our eyes on it. We hope you're

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<v Speaker 2>keeping your eyes on it too, and we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be hopeful.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, yes, and part of being hopeful is being informed. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I fall victim to this too sometimes where

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<v Speaker 1>it's just I just can't watch the news, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>take this anymore. But we have to remain informed, know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on, understand what that means for our personal

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<v Speaker 1>rights and what that means for us as global citizens

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<v Speaker 1>and how we move through this world. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>fight back. We have to keep talking about it, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they hope is that we will get so

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated that we will stop talking. And we can't let

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