1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hulet's go, Let's go, 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Let's go. 3 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: Alliance dunt coet on My Giants Bubble, give me some Job, 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: part of the Giants Podcast Network. 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Let's roll. 6 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought 7 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New 8 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 2: York Football Giants. I am John Schmelk and we're joined 9 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 2: by front of the program. We've been probably doing this 10 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 2: Rick for probably almost ten years now. Rick Saraatella, who 11 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: has about two million jobs. So I'm gonna let him 12 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: tell you where you can find all stuff because I've 13 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: lost track. 14 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, John, how you doing? Man? 15 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 4: Been a great Another draft run our twenty third year 16 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 4: of draft coverage at the NFL Draft Bible, which can 17 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 4: be found over at all Access football dot com. You know, 18 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 4: we're easy to find. You can follow us on x 19 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 4: for all the latest and the greatest stuff and looking 20 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 4: forward to chopping up big Blue style. 21 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: You know, we go deep, we do. 22 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: And Rick's also Scouting's out there, he's writing, maggot, he's deans, 23 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: he's doing everything. 24 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: He's he's all over the place doing a lot of work. 25 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: So we're gonna work backwards here because we've covered the 26 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: draft class a lot, but we haven't really gone into 27 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: the undrafted free agent class, and with rookie mintiecam getting 28 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: going this weekend, we want to kind of dive into 29 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: them first. Then we'll give Rick a chance to talk 30 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: about the draft class too. So we're gonna go one 31 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: by one year in terms of the guys that the 32 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: Giants have signed. Rick, So let's start with John Giles, 33 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: wide receiver out of West Florida. 34 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: You're familiar with the Argonauts. 35 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: I'm not sure you're familiar with the West Florida Argonauts, 36 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: though you're probably bore the the Canadian variety. But big kids, 37 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: almost sixty three, two hundred and twenty pounds. 38 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 4: Yes, And I'm gonna give you a funny John Giles 39 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 4: story in a second. But I want to talk about 40 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: the undrafted free agent process real quickly here, because on 41 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: any given season, data tells us that between twenty seven 42 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: to thirty three percent of every fifty three man roster 43 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 4: consists of undrafted free agents. So I think it's, you know, 44 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 4: a very important element in terms of your scouting department 45 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 4: and guys that fall. 46 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: Through the cracks. 47 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 4: You know, this is really how the bottom of your 48 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 4: roster shapes up, and a guy like John Giles. 49 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: You know, I get a. 50 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 4: Call about halfway through the season from our general manager 51 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 4: at the Edmonton Elks. He says, Hey, there's a guy 52 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 4: down in West Florida. I need you to go check 53 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 4: him out. 54 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: He's a big, long, physical wide receiver. 55 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 4: Dominating the D two level. So I go check check 56 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: him out, John, and he is. You know, he's big. 57 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: He's six foot two and six ' eighth inches, two 58 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 4: hundred and twenty pounds and clearly was faster than the 59 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 4: level of competition down there. Now, kind of a one 60 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 4: trick pony right game speed, a lot of just fly patterns. 61 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 4: Just dominating with speed can go up vertically, makes those 62 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 4: contested catches love it. Transfer from Virginia Union now physical 63 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 4: off the line of scrimmage, his get off is strong. 64 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 4: He's a raw route runner, right, So if the Giants 65 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 4: keep him around, he's probably gonna have to stick on 66 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 4: the practice squad learn how to run extended roundtree. 67 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what we did. 68 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 4: Wind up putting him on our necklist up in Edmonton. 69 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: So those who aren't familiar with the Canadian Football League 70 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 4: how that works. If he does not last in the 71 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 4: NFL and decides to come up north to play in Canada. 72 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 4: Edmonton actually owns his rights. 73 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: And D two program. 74 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: Over sixty catches, over twelve hundred yards, double digit touchdowns. Again, 75 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: a very productive player. Ran a four or five four 76 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: forty yard dash. 77 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: So, and I will say one thing, yeah, another thing. 78 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 4: There's a guy there and I'm so I'm watching number 79 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 4: zero Giles on West Florida. There's another kid coming next year, 80 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 4: number six, almost in the same mold. 81 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: So keeping high West Florida. There's something in the water 82 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: down there. 83 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: Well, there's you know what, there's a lot of kids 84 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: coming out of Florida looking for places to play football. 85 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: Sol not surprised. Let's stay with the wide receivers here, 86 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: Rick and the guy that I, frankly had trouble finding 87 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: a lot of info on. Is I hear Asante a 88 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: wide receiver out of Wyoming. He's the opposite right, smaller guy, 89 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: not even eighty one pounds, not super productive, but you 90 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: could see some of the traits. 91 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what. 92 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 4: I was down at the Tropical Bowl down in Orlando 93 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 4: during the All Star circuit, and this kid created a 94 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: little bit of buzz. There was some scouts asking me like, 95 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 4: is he going to get drafted? I said, ah, you know, 96 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 4: he's on the fringe. New Jersey product Franklin Township played 97 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: ball at Jersey City Saint Peter's went to two state championships. 98 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 4: I want you to think Kadarius Tony from a talent 99 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 4: level standpoint in terms of how he would be utilized. 100 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: Because he's an all purpose guy. He's going to line 101 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 4: up in the backfield. He's going to be used on 102 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 4: end rounds. I think where he might be able to 103 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 4: provide some competition in training camp is in the return game, 104 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 4: right because he's an excellent punt returner. 105 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: You got the new kickoff rule. 106 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 4: You mentioned these undersized He came in at five nine 107 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: and six eight inches four point five to two forty one. 108 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: Thing else. 109 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 4: So I wanted to mention about this Giant's undrafted free 110 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 4: agent class and their draft class. They went with athleticism 111 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 4: across the board. If you notice that explosiveness, athleticism all 112 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 4: these guys have most for the most part, tested well. 113 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 4: And Ayasante is another one thirty six inch vert okay, 114 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 4: and he's a guy that is going to really have 115 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 4: to work his way on special teams. 116 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: But I think he's got a shot. 117 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 4: There was another kid from Central Michigan they had in 118 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 4: camp a couple of years ago. He reminds me of 119 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 4: so I think he'll get an opportunity to stick around 120 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 4: see if he can showcase some of that explosiveness. But hey, 121 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 4: under the radar guy made a buzz for himself down 122 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 4: there at the Tropical Bowl. 123 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 3: Local product. I'm excited for him. 124 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, eight take returns for one hundred and sixty six yards. 125 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: He was a returner throughout his years and squad and 126 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: ran a four to one four shuttle too, So another 127 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: good testing mark. 128 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: Yes, in terms of his agility. 129 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: All right, let's those are the only two skill guys, 130 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: so let's stick on the offensive side of the ball. 131 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: North Dakota Skate Rick. 132 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: He that is not a Power five team, but the 133 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: way they've played them in South Dakota State now has 134 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: really developed a lot of really good NFL players. Jake 135 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: Kubas an offensive tackle six three seven. You talk about 136 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: a good athlete. He had nine to four to four 137 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: RAS score. For people that don't know what that is, 138 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: I mean he basically tested in the ninety fourth percentile 139 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: for all offensive tackles tested over the past thirty years 140 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: and again just a lot of good traits and he 141 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: comes from a really good program. 142 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: Yeah again athleticism. 143 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 4: Right, we talked about John Giles, the wide receiver who 144 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 4: jumped thirty four inches. Well here comes Kubas one hundred 145 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 4: pounds heavier. He jumped thirty one inches John, So you 146 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 4: know he's got crazy ups athleticism. Three year starter. At 147 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 4: one point he actually had forty one consecutive starts there 148 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 4: for the boyson until injury ended that one, mostly. 149 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 3: At the guard spot. Right. 150 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 4: So he's the guy now that is going to probably 151 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 4: be one of these pulling gets into the second level 152 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 4: with that speed, quickness, athleticism, agility. 153 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: Now, the issue here is. 154 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: The girth, right, Like he comes from the FCS not 155 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 4: quite the best strengthen conditioning program. So what I'm seeing 156 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 4: here is probably a guy your red shirt him on 157 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 4: the practice squad. Get him with that NFL strength and 158 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 4: conditioning program, bulk him up a little bit. He did 159 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 4: do twenty eight bench press reps, so the strength is there. 160 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 4: He just needs to get the frame bigger for the 161 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 4: next level. But I think a guy who could probably 162 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 4: be like a swingman interior. Maybe the Giants test him 163 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: out at center. See if he can snap the ball 164 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: a little bit, that would definitely extend his chances to 165 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 4: get a longer look see in training camp. 166 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, six four three or eight, that's gonna be a 167 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: little slender to be in there paneling with guards off 168 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: the top of You're right, he's gonna have to work 169 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: on Element thirty three and DRAMs though. That's very good length, 170 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: especially if you're gonna play inside. And you mentioned a 171 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: three year starter or right guard. Last year, according I 172 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: think PFF had him for no sacks Allott at only 173 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: ten pressures. So certainly productive player there. Daniel Marcellus Johnson 174 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: out of Missouri six four three thirteen over thirty three 175 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: inch arms. An ankle injury kept him out a lot 176 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three, right, but if you would have 177 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: played in twenty twenty three, this guy probably would have 178 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: been drafted. 179 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 180 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 4: So he came over from Eastern Michigan where he did 181 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 4: start for two seasons, so he had nineteen starts at 182 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 4: Eastern Michigan. Came to Missouri this past season where his 183 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 4: brother played, Eric Johnson, who was a fourth or fifth 184 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 4: round pick. I believe by the Colts. We had him 185 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 4: out at the NFLPA Collegiate Ball a couple of years back. 186 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 4: So the bloodlines are strong. You mentioned the arm length right, 187 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 4: thirty three inch arms and a seven foot wingspan right, 188 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 4: so he's got the length to survive at the next level. 189 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: Now, my understanding is he was the highest. 190 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 4: Paid undrafted free agent in terms of guaranteed money. I 191 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 4: think they gave him one hundred and seventy thousand guaranteed. 192 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 4: So what does that mean. He's gonna have every opportunity 193 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 4: to stick. The Giants did not use an offensive a 194 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 4: draft pick on an offensive lineman, as you know, they 195 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 4: decided to kind of rebuild through free agency. So to me, 196 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 4: this is their developmental swing tackle that they stash on 197 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 4: the practice squad, try to bring them along NFL bloodlines. Again, 198 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 4: extreme athleticism when you talk about these players, thirty bench 199 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 4: press reps and a thirty one and a half inch 200 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 4: vertical at three hundred and thirteen pounds. Again, quite the 201 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 4: impressive athletic specimen. 202 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 5: You love turf, you're. 203 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 6: Good at it, so you start a turf This business grows, 204 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 6: your savings grow, become the most celebrated name in turfs 205 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 6: are you ready for all that life brings. 206 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 207 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you hope with Carmen Barsoll, the Giants offensive 208 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: line coach, you can develop those two players down the road. 209 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: All right, let's jump over to the defensive side of 210 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: the ball. Rick, we'll start the line of scrimmage. Rogers 211 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: and again it's a theme. Really good athlete. 212 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, he came over from Nebraska, started his first year 213 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 4: at Oregon. Was more of a rotational guy this past season. 214 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: But man, when you're a three hundred pounder and you 215 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 4: run four eight six in the forty yard dash, I 216 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 4: mean that is rare. Now he's got a thirty five 217 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 4: inch vertical jump, which is unbelievable. Right, he's jumping as 218 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 4: high as a year as Sante from Wyoming that we 219 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: just talked about. 220 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: So again, explosion, lower body, quick off, the get off. 221 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: He does now show some interior pass rush, which is 222 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 4: where the value is right, so he can get after 223 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 4: the quarterback. I think he had six sacks over the 224 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 4: last two seasons. A bunch of plays behind the line 225 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 4: of scrimmage, so he can blow up the backfield, wreak havoc, 226 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 4: get after the quarterback again. You know, young athletic developmental guy. 227 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 4: You you want to bring these guys along. Hopefully they're 228 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 4: not playing as soon as this season. But again, it's 229 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 4: the traits, right they they the Giants did a great 230 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 4: job identifying players who have the skill set and traits 231 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 4: that they're looking for to slide into their scheme. 232 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and his Ajode numbers were really good too. 233 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: And I think you know this just stream screams three 234 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 2: technique to me, rack And that's a spot where the 235 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: Giants I think would have liked to add somebody, you know, 236 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: losing Leonard Williams in the trade last year, they really 237 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: didn't bring in a true three technique this offseason. And 238 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: I think this is a guy that at least fits 239 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: that profile that you think maybe you can develop into 240 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: a player that can help you there. 241 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and another somewhat local guy. He's from upstate New 242 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 4: York there in Syracuse. So another feel good story for 243 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 4: fans to root for. 244 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: All Right, I'm gonna hopefully I got the pronunciation right here. 245 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: You got linebacker out of lsu Ovi Agufo, and if 246 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: the Giants looking for some pass rushelp, he might be 247 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: able to give it to you. 248 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Even though we might be a little bit undersized. 249 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he played. He's got the pedigree, right. 250 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: He started at Notre Dame, transferred to Texas, andish is 251 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 4: at LSU. That's the modern day NFL draft prospect. By 252 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 4: by the way, five years ago you would have been 253 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: red flagged for that, but now it's kind of common practice. 254 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 4: Twenty and a half tackles for loss, nine and a 255 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 4: half sacks. So to your point, he can bring some 256 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 4: of that past rush ability. He played that jack kind 257 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 4: of star strong side linebacker role for the Tigers, so 258 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 4: you know he can drop back and coverage a little 259 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 4: bit and cover he can get after the quarterback. Maybe 260 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 4: a guy that can be moved around as a versatile backup. 261 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,479 Speaker 4: I think that's what you're getting here again, big time pedigree. 262 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 4: So those are the kind of guys you want to 263 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 4: roll the dice on when you're looking at those undrafted 264 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 4: free agents. 265 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: And then Alex Johnson defensive back at ucl Any. Think 266 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 2: that jumps out to me is five interceptions last year, 267 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: so he's got a nose for the ball. 268 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, again, another one of these guys. The Giants paid 269 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 4: big money in terms of guarantees for an undrafted guy 270 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars guaranteed, is my understanding, 271 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 4: So that means they like him. He's gonna have every 272 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 4: opportunity now to win a spot or stick around on 273 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 4: the practice squad, mostly a special teamer there throughout his career, 274 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 4: got elevated to a starting role this past season, exploded 275 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 4: onto the radar with five interceptions, didn't do enough to 276 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 4: get drafted right six foot and four eight inches four 277 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 4: four eight forty thirty seven inch vert. So again, the 278 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 4: athleticism is there a buck eighty five at that frame, 279 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 4: that size, that height probably wants. 280 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 3: To add a little bit of bulk there. 281 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 4: But when you talk about nose for the football ball instincts, again, 282 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 4: athleticism probably could play inside outside, So versatility there, I 283 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 4: think with the special team's element, this is a kid 284 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 4: who has an opportunity to make the fifty three man roster, 285 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 4: contribute on special teams, add some versatility there as a 286 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 4: cornerback five, and they gave him that guaranteed money. 287 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: So keep an out eye out on this young man. 288 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, the Giants drafted one corner but they 289 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: still a widal But competition really for both those cornerback 290 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: spots and just born a veteran David Long Junior, so 291 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: he'll have an opportunity. We'll see if he can earn 292 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: his way onto the field. You mentioned specials there, and 293 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: Rick the last guy's a special teamer from Rutgers in Jersey. 294 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: Give us the lowdown on the kicker the Giants brought in. 295 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, well you might. You might find him at the 296 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: local Irish pub there. 297 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 4: He's from Ireland, you know, so maybe some International Pathway 298 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 4: program eligibility. 299 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 3: Here is my guess. 300 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 4: Set a school record at Rutgers this past year with 301 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 4: forty touchbacks, so he's got a boot. 302 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: He can kick at the distance. 303 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: Now, his longest field goal this past year was only 304 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 4: forty nine yards. Again, playing in Jersey, you got that 305 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: Northeast weather, especially late in the season. But he was 306 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 4: pretty accurate twelve of eighteen his loan year in Rutgers. 307 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 4: He actually transferred from DT Chowing and kind of made 308 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 4: a name for himself at Rutgers. 309 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: So we'll see. 310 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if he is going to 311 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 4: stick around with the special teams and that the Giants 312 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: already have. 313 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: But again, if he is eligibly eligible. 314 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 4: For that IPP not a bad insurance policy to have 315 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: hanging around. 316 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and with those with that extended practice squad. Graham 317 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: Gano is a veteran kicker. You probably want to save 318 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: his leg at least in the spring a little bit, 319 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: especially coming off his injury last year. So who's the 320 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: guy that can obviously take some of those reps? All right, 321 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: let's get to the drafted class here, Rick, But first 322 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: I want to remind fans that the Giants Little Podcast 323 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: is brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of. 324 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: The Giants from game data. 325 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: Every day, Citizens is made ready for Giants fans with insights, guidance, 326 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: and solutions. Learn more citizens bank dot com. All right, 327 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: let's start. 328 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: Let's work backwards. We went undrafted frigents first, Let's start 329 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: the last pick. It will work our way into the 330 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: first one. 331 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: So we're gonna start with Darius Mussau, the linebacker out 332 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: of UCLA recking. 333 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: This is a guy you watch him on tape. He's twitchy. 334 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: You kind of like his fast reaction stuff, a little undersized, 335 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: he screams. Start off on special teams and hope you 336 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: can work him into the defense somehow. 337 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly where right. He can be a special 338 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: teams contributor. From day one. I saw him on one 339 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 4: of these All Star Games. He was lined wide out 340 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: like seven techniques coming off the edge, right. 341 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: So I think he can blitch. 342 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: He can blitch. 343 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got some get off now. 344 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: And I think that's where, like, if he does develop 345 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 4: a role at the next level, it's gonna be that. 346 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: Situational pass rusher. 347 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 4: Throw him in there on third down and hey, go 348 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 4: get the quarterback because he is quick, he's got that bend, 349 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 4: he can dip around, get underneath. Like you said, very twitchy. 350 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: I think there's again a lot of athletic upside here. 351 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 4: I don't have his numbers in front of me, but man, 352 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 4: when I saw him at the All Star Game and 353 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 4: that burst off the line of scrimmage, you know, we 354 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 4: all turned to each other and said, hey, make a note. 355 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure he has the long speed you're 356 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: looking for. 357 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: With that short area stuff and the start and stop, 358 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: I think it's impressive. And when you're playing that position 359 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: around a lot of scrimmage, to me, that's almost more important. Correct, 360 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: All right, let's go pick number This would be round 361 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: number five. Tyrone Tracy running back out of a per 362 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: do by way of Iowa by way of wide receiver 363 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: and now running back. And he was a fun watch 364 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: on tape rig watching him before the draft. You know, 365 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 2: it reminds me of like you have, like a very 366 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: athletic kid, but he never played a sport before, and 367 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: you just throw him in there and he starts running 368 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: around and he succeeds, but you're not quite sure he 369 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: knows how he's succeeding, but he is. And that's what 370 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: Timer Tracy, and that's supposed to be a compliment. That's 371 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: how he looks at running back. To me, he just 372 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: is a really good athlete. 373 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, a tadpole, right, figure it out. 374 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you, man, this is probably my personal 375 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 4: favorite selection. And I think this kid is going to 376 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: really become a fan favorite. In fact, you talk about 377 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 4: the multi dimensional ability similar to a sa Kwon Barkley, right, 378 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 4: And I'm not talking about he is, say Kwon Barkley. 379 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is you mentioned the wide receiver background. 380 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 4: He's an incredible pass catcher. He could even line up 381 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 4: in the slot. He brings return experience as well. So 382 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 4: when you talk about doing all these things, you've got 383 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 4: a four down back who can play all three downs. 384 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 4: He can play special teams, and I'm. 385 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: Telling you what. 386 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 4: I might be going out on a limb here, but 387 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 4: I think when you take a look at the Giants 388 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 4: backfield in terms of all purpose yards, I would not 389 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 4: be surprised if Tyrone Tracy is sitting atop the leaderboard 390 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 4: on this Giants roster. I really think he's gonna carve 391 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 4: out a very big niche and a big role in 392 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 4: this Giants offense. 393 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious talking to coaches and scouts. You mentioned 394 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 2: the return game. To me, I think Tyrone Tracy is 395 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: built perfectly to be your kick returner in this new 396 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 2: kick return system. Talking to scouts and coaches, what type 397 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 2: of player do you think they are looking for in 398 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: that kick return role? They're looking for more of a 399 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 2: running back type, more of your tiny slot wide receiver type. 400 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: Or is it going to vary from team to team. 401 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 4: No, So, I've studied this kickoff rule in the XFL extensively. 402 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 4: So what you want is a guy with burst that 403 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 4: can explode through the first line of scrimmage and make 404 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 4: a quick decise decision. 405 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 3: Right. 406 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 4: You want a guy with vision that gets through the 407 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 4: hole because remember now there is no second and third level, right, 408 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 4: So you have to create that way. You have to 409 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 4: create that And so if you can bust through that 410 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 4: line of scrimmage, there's really not busters on the other 411 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 4: side coming down. It's kind of neutralized, you know, the 412 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 4: speed and the strength, Like everybody's just kind of in 413 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: that five ten yard short area radius. So if you 414 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 4: got a guy like Tracy, you can bust through that 415 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 4: first line and just go, baby go. 416 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 3: That's exactly what you want. 417 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 4: A guy with vision, quickness, quick decision making, doesn't hesitate. 418 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 4: You don't want that pity pattern. Now, you just want 419 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 4: to hit that hole and explode. 420 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: It almost feels like you want a guy that would 421 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 2: be good at in the outside zone scheme. Right, that 422 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: kind of just probes, probes, hits the thing and then 423 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: boom gets a field one cut runner. 424 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: Right. 425 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I think you see a lot of 426 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 3: that too. And we mentioned the undrafted kid. 427 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 4: I hear Asante, right, So they have a backup option 428 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 4: if Tracy does get elevated to a starting role or 429 00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 4: there's an injury. 430 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: They got a contingency plan as well. 431 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: And we'll get to the Giants first round pick. Boy 432 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: who in a big spot. If you want to put 433 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: pinback the at a return a kicker too. I would 434 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: not necessarily have a problem with that either. But we'll 435 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 2: get there. We'll get there, all right. Let's keep sliding 436 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 2: back here. THEO Johnson, it was the Giants' first day 437 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: three pick Reckon. You know, we've kind of talked about 438 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 2: how they drafted a lot of really good athletes, and 439 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: he's on top of the list, ninety eighth percentile tight 440 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: end wise. He's got the frame, he's got size, he's 441 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: got the athleticism. He just came from an offense at 442 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: Penn State that didn't utilize him or brillied the passing 443 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: game for that matter a ton. 444 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you, John, I went up to the 445 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 4: Penn State training camp and I said, holy golly, they 446 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 4: got about three or four tight ends just hanging out 447 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 4: that could play at the next level. In fact, Dinkins, 448 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 4: the former Giant, has a son up there the tight end. 449 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 3: Keep a lookout for him. 450 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, they have so many competent tight 451 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 4: ends there at Penn State. 452 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: The thing with THEO Johnson is he's just raw. Again. 453 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 4: We talked about, you know, the route running there. He's athletic, Heck, 454 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 4: he's fast, but you know, he's got to sharpen some 455 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 4: of those cuts coming in and out of his brakes. 456 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: That's why he fell today three. 457 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 4: But when you talk about upside in this year's tight 458 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 4: end class, you know, he has all those physical attributes 459 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 4: that the one Darren Waller possessed coming out of college. 460 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 4: Now not as sharp as a route runner because Waller 461 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 4: was a wide receiver coming out. I think THEO Johnson 462 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 4: is gonna kind of be baptism by fire here. They're 463 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 4: gonna need him to play some kind of role early on, 464 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 4: I believe. So he's gonna have to learn on the fly. 465 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 4: He's got a lot to learn between now and training camp. 466 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 4: But he's a young, bright man Canadian born, by the way, 467 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 4: and I think he'll do well now. 468 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 2: He's big, He's not a big frame Reik and Penn 469 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: State did ask him to play in line. 470 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: What's his upside as a blocker in your opinion? 471 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 4: You know, I think it's still a work in progress, right, Like, 472 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 4: he's so big that it's kind of a struggle for 473 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 4: him to stay low and get down in that crouch 474 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 4: and really drive the opponent. So that's something else he's 475 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 4: gonna just have to polish up the technique. 476 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 2: All right, let's jumped around three Andrew Phillips out of Kentucky. 477 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: Rick and I said this throughout the process, I had 478 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: a lot of trouble this year stacking day two corners. 479 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 2: Just you know, nobody tested off the charts. Everyone was 480 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 2: kind of in that high four to four low four 481 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: five area. Some of the guys that didn't test well 482 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: had good tape. The guys that didn't have good tape 483 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: tested a little bit better. So I you know, I 484 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: love Mike Sanser still, he was my number one Day 485 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 2: two corner, but once I got past him, you know, 486 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: a lot of these guys for me, were kind of 487 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: jumbled up. And I liked what Phillips did because he 488 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 2: was multifaceted. He played inside, he played outside, He was tough, 489 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 2: he tried to tackle, he was physical. What were your 490 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: thoughts on Phillips coming out of Kentucky, Woo. 491 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. 492 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 4: I really wasn't too familiar with him until we got 493 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 4: to the draft process right into January and February, and 494 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 4: I can't remember if I saw him at the Senior 495 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 4: Ball or the combine. 496 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: He was senior ball, he was senior ball, Okay. 497 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 4: So I just remember being down there on the field 498 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 4: and sometimes John, like you've I've seen so many guys 499 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 4: in your head that you just like when you. 500 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: See it, you know it. 501 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 4: And like this dude's change of direction, instincts, his reaction skills. 502 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: To me, they were off the charts. 503 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 4: I said, Man, there's like something rare and unique about 504 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 4: this guy's his reaction, his change of direction. Now to 505 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 4: your point, you know, we've we've become accustomed now in 506 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 4: these draft classes, like almost every corner is six foot 507 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 4: and runs in the four to four. 508 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 3: Like it's unbelievable how much it's evolved. 509 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 4: So I think Phillips came in at like five eleven 510 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 4: and four or five two, which. 511 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 3: Is, you know, downgraded in the modern day NFL. 512 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 4: Right, not the ideal height, not the ideal speed, but 513 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 4: definitely adequate enough to hang. I think he's gonna be 514 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 4: a rookie impact contributor for the Big Blue. 515 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: You like him inside, you like him outside better. 516 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: Probably inside. I think he starts there and works his 517 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 4: way out. 518 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And and it sounds like that's that the Giant's 519 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 2: gonna use him too. All right, let's go to stay 520 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: in the secondary let's go to Tyler Nuban safety out 521 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: of mind. And I don't understand why some people would 522 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: have other stafeties ahead of them, because I think other 523 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 2: guys are more depth to playing man. If you want 524 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: to have your safety play a little bit more man coverage, Rick, 525 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 2: but the Giants are going to play a lot of 526 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: his own. They play a lot of split stafy. You know, 527 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: Seaine Bowl played a lot of split safety at Tennessee. 528 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: And I think when you look at Nuban and his 529 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: ability to read the quarterback and anticipate and get to 530 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: the football and play the position with his mind and 531 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: be a cerebral player, I think you have to love 532 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: what he brings to the field as a experienced guy 533 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: that played over and started over forty games at Minnesota. 534 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, Man, row the boat. 535 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 4: I'll tell you, I'm so happy he came to the 536 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 4: Giants because this was one of my favorite players in 537 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 4: the entire draft. He's got an open invite to come 538 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: down fishing with me here at the Jersey shore because 539 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 4: he's a baiton hooke guy. 540 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 3: He's a baiting hook guy. 541 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 4: He will bake the quarterback now and hook that interception. 542 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 4: I think he had something like thirteen career interceptions. Unbelievable 543 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 4: ball instincts. He truly is a coach on the field. 544 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 4: When you talk about all that experience he brings to 545 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 4: the table, you look at how he communicates pre snap coverage, 546 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 4: making sure his teammates are in. 547 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 3: The right spot. 548 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 4: Now, I think he struggled with some injuries this year, 549 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 4: so his draft stock was downgraded. But man, I'll tell 550 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 4: you what number one safety on the board on my 551 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 4: draft board, and I think the Giants got a good 552 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 4: one here man plug and play starter from day one, 553 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 4: Tyler Nuben Man, Oh, defensive playmaker. 554 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 3: I love it. 555 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 5: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with Citizens, 556 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 5: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 557 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 5: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 558 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 5: you ready for all that life brings? 559 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: Giant fans level winner? It's why they love Citizens. 560 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: They need twenty twenty two best bank in the US 561 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: by the banker as the official bank of the Giants 562 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 2: and sponsor of the Huddle, Citizens is made ready for 563 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: fans of Big Blue. Learn more citizens bank dot Com. 564 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: All right, now, let's finish with the crown jewel. Here, Rick, 565 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 2: when you're picking sixth overall, you expect to get a 566 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: really good football player, and I think the Giants did 567 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 2: do that with the league. Neighbors again and the way 568 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: I freezed it, best player in the class, any position 569 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 2: with the ball in his hands. So give me your 570 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 2: breakdown of Neighbors as a player on the field. 571 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean he could do it all right. 572 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 4: He could take the top off the defense, He can 573 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 4: operate in space. You just want to get the ball 574 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 4: in his hands and let him do work. I mean 575 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 4: the Giants failed to really get a true number one 576 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: wide receiver here in recent years. Jalen Hyatt was a 577 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 4: guy where I'm not sure they really know how to 578 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 4: use them because like he exploded, he had a big game, 579 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 4: then he went disappearing. So I think the addition of 580 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 4: Neighbors is also going to help the development Hyatt because 581 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 4: he's not going to be dependent upon so much to 582 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 4: come in and like, hey, we need you to make plays. No, 583 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 4: you line up two guys. Now you got two speed 584 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 4: burners who can stretch the field. You put them on 585 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: the opposite ends, and now you have some weapons that 586 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 4: can stretch the field that don't necessarily have to do 587 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 4: work in the short and intermediate game, and you could 588 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 4: put points up on the board in the blink of 589 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 4: an eye that's been missing since Odell Beckham junior. 590 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 3: Right, So I get the LSU appeal. I mean, I'm 591 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 3: a big fan of Neighbors. 592 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 4: I think this guy has the potential to be a 593 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 4: Pro Bowl caliber player in year one if the quarterback 594 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 4: can get him the football. 595 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 596 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 2: Look, and I think he's a force multiplayer and the 597 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 2: wide receiver you mentioned it, right, I think he makes 598 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: high it better. And I'm curious to see how they 599 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: use him and Waldel Robinson, who both can play inside 600 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: and Neighbors has the flexibility to go outside as well. 601 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: They're both good run after the catch. I'm curious to 602 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: see how those two guys will work together on the field. 603 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 604 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 4: Well, they have a lot of guys who can operate 605 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 4: in space now and again they've acquired the speed the 606 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 4: athleticism on the roster, but the speed at wide receiver position. 607 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 4: That tells me they're gonna test defenses downfield a little 608 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 4: bit more, make them respect that deep ball, and that 609 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 4: opens up the running game, right, And I think that's 610 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 4: what the route the Giants really have. 611 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 2: To go Yeah, and I heard those same whispers about 612 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: neighbors that you did, and I've asked. We had a 613 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: bunch of people from LSU come on our show talk 614 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 2: about it, and everyone has pretty much said that, yeah. 615 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: We didn't experience that with him. 616 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 2: So the reviews that I've gone for people that around 617 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: him at LSU have been positive. And I think the 618 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: Giants and Brian Dieble have created a pretty good environment 619 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 2: here in order to try to help these guys along. 620 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: So if he can realize all that talent, I think 621 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 2: right away he's going to be the Giants leading target getter, 622 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: and I think he can be a real impact. 623 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: Player right away. 624 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: So your overall thoughts Rick on the Giants class and 625 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: kind of how they went about their business this year. 626 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought like if I was giving a report 627 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 4: guard grade, which we all like to do, I'd give 628 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 4: it a B. You know, obviously, I think it's a 629 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 4: five year window before you can truly grade a draft class. 630 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 4: But you talk about limited picks and making the most 631 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 4: with those picks. They identified the offensive line need, I 632 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 4: think in the offseason, so they kind of took that 633 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 4: off the draft board said hey, let's operate within you know, 634 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 4: the skill positions. Let's build up some of that defensive depth. 635 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 4: So overall, I think they found themselves too really quality 636 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 4: starters and neighbors and nuban, which you know, picking with 637 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 4: just five picks. I think if you land two starters, 638 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 4: special teams, contributor and are able to accumulate some depth 639 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 4: to solid draft, and. 640 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: Then I should have ask this you off to talk 641 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: considering we started the undrafted free agents. But coming into 642 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 2: this process, a lot of people told me that it 643 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: was going to be a tougher undrafted free agent class 644 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: just because so many collegians went back to school with 645 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: the extra COVID year nil and stuff like that. Did 646 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: you find that, like the back end of this draft, 647 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: round six and seven and then the UDFA class was 648 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: a little bit shallower than in most years. 649 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 3: I've heard this too. I don't know if I subscribe 650 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 3: to that philosophy. Well, I asked you, Yeah, you know, 651 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: I just think that. 652 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 4: Every year we see guys in the late rounds and 653 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 4: the undrafted they go on they start, it's really just 654 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 4: about doing the due diligence, doing the homework, really knowing 655 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 4: these guys. I think there is somewhat of what I 656 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 4: noticed in terms of just older prospects, just a lot 657 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 4: of twenty five year old rookies. Guys are gonna be 658 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 4: twenty six years. We're gonna see another year or two 659 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 4: of this, like Cam Rising is a seventh year senior quarterback. 660 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 4: I mean, these things were unheard of, but because of 661 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 4: that COVID nineteen, the eligibility, combined with the NIL and 662 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 4: the transfer portal, you're seeing, you know, amateurism is no more. 663 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 4: It's basically a professional game at the collegiate level. So 664 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 4: you know when my final year we didn't have the 665 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 4: NFL PA ball this past season, but our last year 666 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 4: doing it two years ago, we lost about thirty or 667 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 4: forty guys that were like Day three fringe players that 668 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 4: went back and got. 669 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: The NIL money they played for. 670 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 4: You know, fifty one hundred and fifty thousand exhausted that eligibility, 671 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 4: and I. 672 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 3: Think you're going to continue to see more of that. 673 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: All right. 674 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: The final question, I know you haven't done like your 675 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: full review of the draft, but just from watching it 676 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: the way you did, anything stick out at you, anything 677 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: strike you that you would like to get off your 678 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: chest about what happened on the twenty twenty four NFL drafts. 679 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 3: From just an overall league perspective. 680 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: You can take it from any perspective you like my 681 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: friend anything. 682 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 3: Thanks buckle up. 683 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 4: I'm a big Michael Pennix fan, and I think what 684 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 4: the Atlanta Falcons did was a stroke a genius. You 685 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 4: get a guy like Kirk Cousins, who's the ultimate hold 686 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 4: the fort guy. You want to be competitive, you want 687 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 4: to be a con contender. Cool, let's go get Kirk 688 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 4: Cousins because he's going to elevate our competition level. Now 689 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 4: have we forgotten this is not a prime time performer. Literally, 690 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 4: he's only won one playoff game in twelve years, so 691 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 4: he can take you only so far. In my opinion, 692 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 4: you got a kid in Pennix to me, who can 693 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 4: make all the throws, who wins from the pocket. He's 694 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 4: the best pocket passer in the NFL draft that still 695 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 4: wins in the NFL last time I checked. So now 696 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 4: you've got a guy that doesn't need to be forced 697 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 4: into the starting role. You can hand the keys to 698 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 4: the Cadillac over when he's ready. And oh, by the way, 699 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 4: you can probably still recoup a first round pick, if 700 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 4: not more, for Kirk Cousins. If that scenario happened. So 701 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 4: I thought what the Atlanta Falcons did was an awesome move. 702 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 4: They set themselves up for the short term to compete 703 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 4: for the division, and now they have the long term future. 704 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 4: A guy that I can rest my head on the 705 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 4: pillow envisioning Michael Pennix holding a Vince Lombardi trophy because Kirk, 706 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 4: I love you, but you're not it. 707 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: See. 708 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: I love the varying perspectives. Rick, awesome stuff. Once again, 709 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: tell the folks with you and find all your good stuff. 710 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, all Access football dot com. 711 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 4: You know I'll be up in Canada with the Edmonton Elks, 712 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 4: the training camp going on there, and you know on 713 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 4: the Twitter verse on x at Rick Saraatella. Always appreciate 714 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 4: you having me on. We've been doing this for quite 715 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 4: some time and I'm sure I'll see yeah rookie camp, 716 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 4: mini camp, training camp somewhere in between, Johns. 717 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: I always love chat with your Rick. 718 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, Rick Saraateella All Access Football check it out. 719 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the Giants Little podcast. Everybody 720 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens The Official Bank of the Giants. 721 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 2: Will have a report on what happened at Rookie Mintcamp 722 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: next week he is to continue to dive into this 723 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: Giants draft class. 724 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us, We'll see you next time.