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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh These are some of our favorite segments

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Speaker 1: from this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment

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Speaker 1: laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah. So, without further ado, here is

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Speaker 1: the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles. We are thrilled to be joined

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Speaker 1: by a patient and brilliant filmmaker, writer, actor, comedian podcaster

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Speaker 1: who co founded with the A V Club called one

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Speaker 1: of the best podcast networks out there, Small Beans where

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Speaker 1: you can find he and a bunch of the most

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Speaker 1: talented people we worked with at Cracked hosting shows. He's

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Speaker 1: the hosting creator of One Upsmanship on this very network.

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Speaker 1: It's the brilliant and talented Michael Swam. Hey gangs, so

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Speaker 1: great to be here again. I am Michael swam A

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Speaker 1: k A. I remember when, I remember when, I remember

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Speaker 1: when I lost my my cool. There's something special about

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Speaker 1: that's way. That's after several months of singing lessons, still

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Speaker 1: not good. But I just joined TikTok and I was

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Speaker 1: confronted with that run that's the new running up that hill?

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Speaker 1: Yeah wait it did they discover you? You're supposed to

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Speaker 1: stand have your fingers on the pulse guys. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: there's this person didn't a specifically incredible run of I

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Speaker 1: Lost my my and it likes that. But it's again,

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Speaker 1: it's she really did it, and everyone's getting impressed. That's all.

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Speaker 1: I got three c words for you. First, Cosmic Crisp,

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Speaker 1: the brand new apple. That's the best apple out there,

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Speaker 1: Cosmic Crisp. Cosmic Crisp was killing it. In fact, our

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Speaker 1: local grocery store is now constantly out of the Cosmic Crisp.

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Speaker 1: And it says there's a big sticker on it. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is how it got me. That says taste candy,

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Speaker 1: and boy, it sure does. I don't know what kind

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Speaker 1: of genetic monkey shines they got up to, Like, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it's not healthy, but it's a great apple. And

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Speaker 1: then compote. You left that compote. There's Jelly, there's deal,

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Speaker 1: there's mash muddle um, but I'm a fan of the

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Speaker 1: compote like that. There's a crayon orange compote from Trader Joe's.

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Speaker 1: That's excellent. So what is it? What's the difference between

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Speaker 1: a compote jelly to log and relish. Well, I watch

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Speaker 1: a lot of competitive reality chef game shows, so I've

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Speaker 1: learned that very little. Like I've learned when you present

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Speaker 1: the dish. Part of it is bullshitting like you used

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Speaker 1: to on high school essays. Like I really think part

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Speaker 1: of it is being very good at calling it a

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Speaker 1: deal and staying up with the new trendy lingo like

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Speaker 1: a puree. And there's something else. I forget. You're like

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Speaker 1: it's and uh, I think it's just words. But I

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Speaker 1: would say there are broad categories, and they usually refer

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Speaker 1: to like the viscosity. Miles had it right. It's the

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Speaker 1: you see the meat of the nut or the chunk

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Speaker 1: of the meat or whatever, but to me implies multiple

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Speaker 1: it's cranberry and you've got some orange in there. Is

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Speaker 1: when you when you make a jelly, do you also

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Speaker 1: like boil it in like sugar water. I do know.

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Speaker 1: Jelly is like when like the can like solid and

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Speaker 1: then jam is when there's still yeah yeah. From my

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Speaker 1: time of watching those cooking shows too, I think it's

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Speaker 1: like when you have when you're like cooking the whole

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Speaker 1: fruits down in like sweet water, and then from there

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Speaker 1: like you can. I don't know who gives a ship

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Speaker 1: this is. This is a terrible cooking short into the

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Speaker 1: Oxford English Dictionary. It's it has to be cooked in

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Speaker 1: syrup to be a compount. That's why tastes like candy. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I think we're I think we're seeing a trend here. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just like that marketing now for fruit is like, maya,

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Speaker 1: fuck the fruit part of it. This ship tastes like

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Speaker 1: candy and it was great. Yeah. That Cosmic Crisp such

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Speaker 1: a such a choice with the name. I love it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The little circular sticker on it is a little galaxy,

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Speaker 1: purple galaxy. It's very hype for an apple. I guess

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Speaker 1: that's the only way cosmic. Yeah. It also like suggests

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Speaker 1: some like psychedelia mixed in there. I mean they have

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Speaker 1: a very specific vibe. Yeah, it's not. It's a cross

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Speaker 1: between the enterprise Apple and the Honey Crisp. So I

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Speaker 1: think the enterprise is what's giving you the cosmic Is

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Speaker 1: that really? Is that right? Yeah? Yeah, Cosmic Crisp dot

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Speaker 1: com like the fucking lobbying site of the fruit itself. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I like to stand there at the Apple Iisle like

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Speaker 1: real body. I don't know what. Yeah, I truly can

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Speaker 1: funk with a gallon, I do, they don't retain their

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Speaker 1: crispness as quit as much as the Honey Crisp. Like

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Speaker 1: I I have had some mealy Gala before, whereas Honey

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Speaker 1: train wreck apples right now? What's that? It's just a

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Speaker 1: wead strange. Yeah, I know, as you're like, wait, hold on, no, no,

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Speaker 1: what because I got my ears perked up, I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: hold on, well, you know, you smoked through a hollowed

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Speaker 1: at Apple. But people underestimate how important what kind of

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Speaker 1: apple and then go through and then you eat it

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Speaker 1: after if you're a real fucking loser like we wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I do feel like not Honey Crisp. Granny Smith would

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Speaker 1: to Yeah, just it feels like a utility fruit, you

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Speaker 1: great pie apple, great pipe, great pipe, terrible fruit. Rowland

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Speaker 1: got to ask you, our guests, what is something from

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Speaker 1: your search history that is reveal something about who you are,

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Speaker 1: what you're currently searching. I guess you know. I actually

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Speaker 1: And they're they're open for sure down the down hell

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Speaker 1: but wait, so did you grow up in New England? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I did invert. Wow. Okay, so that's very like the

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Speaker 1: way you just talk about It's like, yeah, the winner comes.

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Speaker 1: like winter, I'm like, wow, your coat, they don't get

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Speaker 1: hearing people be like actually, a twenty degrees can be

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Speaker 1: it's definitely cold. It's also coold. I want to die,

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Speaker 1: you know. But anything below that suddenly you're like, it's

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Speaker 1: okay if my body shuts down. We shouldn't have to

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Speaker 1: Twenty degrees. Twenty degrees sounds like certain death for me.

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Speaker 1: But what ran where are you at? What's what's your

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Speaker 1: temperature scale? Like as a as a vermonter. Yeah, is

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Speaker 1: kind of like that magic tap where like if you're

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Speaker 1: If you haven't done a winter before, remember to pop

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Speaker 1: out your piercings before you go into the cold. My

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Speaker 1: roommate's head learned that the hard way. Also from California. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're the metal will freeze. You're oh wow, yeah, dude,

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Speaker 1: we're just so laid back in California, man, Like, what

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Speaker 1: Two hoodies is not. But yeah, and don't lick a

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Speaker 1: Look that's California math for you, Rowan. What is something

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Speaker 1: you think is overrated? All right? So I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: I've started to think you and you're not like, so,

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a professional food writer. Right. I do

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Speaker 1: tell me why. I mean, Like, admittedly, Rowan, I I know,

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving be like, oh, ye'll drink a red wine? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You never see someone like and here's my six thousand

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Speaker 1: It's maxed out, right, So red wines supposed to be

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Speaker 1: different things with different foods, and I'm just starting to think, like, man,

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Speaker 1: And I'm always like, all right, and I tried to

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Speaker 1: the end, he's like, we need donations to man and

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Speaker 1: there's like a thing like at the bottom says donate

421
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Speaker 1: crypto too. Really, but it's it's as you can donate

422
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: in crypto. Yeah, the sign off, it's like donating, donate that,

423
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: and he says donate crypto here, It's like wow, like

424
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Speaker 1: I stam on top of a scam to have a

425
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Speaker 1: paper trail, right, Yes, that the is that I haven't

426
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Speaker 1: donated crypto in a long time, Like is that who's

427
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: still mainly in the crypto is like people being people

428
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: who are like, yeah, you'll probably be ashamed by this.

429
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Speaker 1: So I don't even know what what the point of

430
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Speaker 1: that is. I think it's just sort of like they're

431
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Speaker 1: they're going all out. Also think because a lot of

432
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Speaker 1: the thinking is look, usually when this many people, like

433
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Speaker 1: you know, get it to a vote, it means they

434
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Speaker 1: got the votes to pass it for the final vote.

435
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Speaker 1: Unless we can get to enough people in the House

436
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: of Representatives, please give me a hundred thousand dollars because

437
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: you hate people getting married to who they love anyway,

438
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Speaker 1: then one of the like televangelist, former spiritual adviser to

439
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, has just been like I think just seeing

440
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: everything wither away from like the abortion SmackDown to the

441
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: then like the Senate pushing through the Respect for Marriage

442
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Speaker 1: Act going just guns blazing against Donald Trump, just saying

443
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Speaker 1: it's just everything, Like, I think this version has had

444
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Speaker 1: enough and said, quote, if Mr Trump can't stop his

445
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: little petty issues, how does he expect people to stop

446
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: major issues? Uh? And goes on and just talk about

447
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: how he acts like an elementary or elementary school child,

448
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: and you know, his focus on like these smaller issues

449
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: completely betrayed, like the momentum that the evangelical movement had, etcetera, etcetera.

450
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: So you know, I think it's, yeah, they're having a

451
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Speaker 1: little bit of a hard time, and his it sort

452
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Speaker 1: of boils down to he's just feeling like if he

453
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Speaker 1: wasn't such a piece of ship, they would have been

454
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Speaker 1: able to do more harm. Denonsis head Christians, what does

455
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Speaker 1: it take to call yourself an advisor for a president?

456
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Speaker 1: You like a meeting a single media? Yeah, that's why

457
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: I like there's so many people who are yeah, yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: like put that on, put that on their CV. It's like,

459
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: what did you next to them? Yeah? Is there a

460
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: red phone on his desk? Or I feel like it's

461
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: like that lie. I would hear like jen X or

462
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: boomers say like in the early two thousands, or they're

463
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Speaker 1: like I used to be a roadie for this band

464
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: back in the day, and they'd like tell you some

465
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Speaker 1: lie and you're like, how do we like, I can't

466
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Speaker 1: even verify that, and something like dude, that guy's was

467
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: never a fucking roadie for or like Bran who are

468
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Speaker 1: brands who are the official yarn of Nascar. Well they

469
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Speaker 1: do that because they're the they get exclusivity as a sponsor,

470
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Speaker 1: and then they can't say, yes, we're the only yarn

471
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Speaker 1: who bothered to be like we know our customers. Yarn

472
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Speaker 1: Gang loves Nascar room from they love Earnhardt's cars. It's

473
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Speaker 1: just again the confused. It's like a lot of confusion

474
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Speaker 1: around what you hear these conservative of say, like when

475
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Speaker 1: it comes to what happened with people actually, you know,

476
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Speaker 1: voting for an increased body autonomy or the idea that

477
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: like Republicans were also willing to say, yeah, man, you

478
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: can get married to whoever the funk you want. It's

479
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: just like the wheels are spinning in this way that

480
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: they just cannot get over the idea that it's like

481
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: it's it's always been a losing strategy that we've only

482
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 1: been able to stay relevant through all the disingenuous like

483
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: map fucking and things like that. So I just want

484
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: to hear from Ben Shapiro. I do, and so we

485
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: got him on the line, got him Ben Shapiro's argument.

486
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Speaker 1: He's like completely incensed by this, and he's saying like,

487
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Speaker 1: I don't know, he's just trying to say it makes

488
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Speaker 1: sense that only a man and a woman assess man

489
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Speaker 1: and assists woman get married to each other, because fucking

490
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: aliens can even see that, or I don't hear that.

491
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Speaker 1: Is this a new one, because I feel like I've

492
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Speaker 1: heard his our events on this subject before. It's he's

493
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Speaker 1: he's pretty in, pretty ideologically ignorant, uh and consistent with

494
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: that ignorant, So yeah, you probably have this is him

495
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: just screaming at Matt wallsh She was just like anything, Yeah,

496
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: this recent Matt Walsh looks like he's wearing a fake beard. Yeah,

497
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: so it's not the Matt Walsh that it's not the

498
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Speaker 1: Matt Walsh from UCB, although it could end up being

499
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: because this person is clearly wearing a disguise. Okay, here, here,

500
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: here we go. I'm I'm highly annoyed by the constant

501
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: derogation of non religious arguments in religious arguments, and this

502
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: is what the left loves to do. They're like to say,

503
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Speaker 1: your pro life, the reason you're pro life is because

504
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Speaker 1: of your your crazy religion, and so yeah right because

505
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Speaker 1: you you you say it yourselves when you say, why

506
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: go because the Bible sit huh okay? But or I

507
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: I also like to, you know, appeal to white supremacy

508
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: as well. The other thing that you seem to be

509
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: would you rather that, ben is that because that I

510
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: do feel like the thing you're railing against is actually

511
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: the polite thing that the polite mainstream media says is like, well,

512
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Speaker 1: it's just their religious beliefs. That's like them taking you

513
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: at your word. Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe we can respect

514
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: your crazy religion along the that that is not the

515
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: argument from marriage. The argument from marriage has literally nothing

516
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Speaker 1: to do with religion. You could be a visitor from

517
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: from Mars and you could see that all of human

518
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: procreation relies on man, woman child. This is not particularly

519
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: difficult stuff, but essentially boxing in the argument in favor

520
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: of traditional marriage into well, if you're a crazy religious

521
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: believe or maybe we'll let you have that, but you know,

522
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: if you're if you're baking it, if you're a cake baker,

523
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: then we're not sure about that, right, I mean, like

524
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: we're not sure how far this this religious liberty thing extends.

525
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: What you're really doing is you're setting the ground game

526
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Speaker 1: at same sex marriage and traditional marriage are completely the

527
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: same thing, and if you object to it, the only

528
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Speaker 1: reason that we can allow you to do that is

529
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: because of this crazy thing called religion. But you have

530
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Speaker 1: to believe there completely the same thing in order to

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Speaker 1: argue against Ben Shapiro. They're completely the same thing. Yeah, oh,

532
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Speaker 1: did you see Matt Walsh freaking out because the men's

533
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Speaker 1: the US men's national team for the World Cup are

534
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: like including a rain like a rainbow spectrum on the

535
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Speaker 1: like the crest of the men's team because cutters so

536
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: like just violently homophobic. He wouldn't believe that they would

537
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Speaker 1: do that. It's like, just shut up, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the mid terms. Didn't quite have me over

539
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: the edge, But now I think we can officially say

540
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: we've won with the with the rainbows on the on

541
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Speaker 1: the World Cup. I think I think we we can

542
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: just staying attention to you guys lost. Yeah. I saw

543
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: that Target had dog toys that said yes Queen like

544
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: two years ago, and I was like oh yeah, I

545
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: can tune out. That was the tip of the spirit, Stephen,

546
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: that was the tip of the spirit. But we're it's

547
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: been a systematic movement to get to this point where

548
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: the rainbows are on the uniforms. Yeah, I just it's

549
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: like this whole week has just been people and like

550
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: their insulated echo chambers, like actually being confronted with what

551
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: like like majorities look like and they're like, what the fuck,

552
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: Like whether that's like Elon Musk not knowing how any

553
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: of this ship works, or these were like the fun

554
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: But I thought y'all wanted the blue check I thought

555
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: the thing was you saw the blue check is being

556
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: like a college degree, and if I democratize that, then

557
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: you it would all be great. And they're like, no,

558
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: you're just all the people that you that are like

559
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: your suck ups just hate people, like really just hate

560
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: the journalists that have blue check marks. Like rather than

561
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: the like practice of having you verified accounts, you haven't

562
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: heard from a person giving you objective facts in the past,

563
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, fifteen years or since your dad said

564
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: he didn't love you or something like, yeah, that was

565
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: the last objective as you're a bad kid man, you're

566
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: just like a bad, gross person. You're bad. Yeah, you

567
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 1: are bad that but that thing that tells you that

568
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: at the core of your soul it makes you be

569
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: this way is actually correct. But that's the one kind

570
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: of locus of truth that you have inside your whole being.

571
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: But the the other thing that he got big wrong

572
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: this week was or last week was when he was like, ultimatum,

573
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: put up or shut up. If you're not on board

574
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: with me, then you're out my way or the highway

575
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: by tomorrow. And then like as it was coming and

576
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: nobody had signed on with this thing, he was like,

577
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean, my, my bad, my bad. Actually everybody just resigned.

578
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: And now he's like, come by Twitter to like tell

579
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: me about code. You wrote like, it would be great

580
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: if you can fly in obviously, if you can't consume,

581
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I'm gonna cover those costs,

582
00:32:53,480 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: but get your ass in here, okay, of course not. Yeah,

583
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's big bad. Well on the subject of

584
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: just you know, complete and total victory in the world

585
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: of culture, you know, and our long term strategy to

586
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: just make it so nobody can be a Christian ever again,

587
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: and that Christmas is a word that you can't even say,

588
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: punishable by death. Candice Cameron Burr made headlines all over

589
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: the world for being an asshole. So this I hadn't

590
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: really thought about her for a long time because my

591
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: favorite told me to stop. They're like, you gotta stop, man,

592
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: your therapist Jody Sweeten. Yeah, I didn't really. So she's

593
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Speaker 1: Kirk Cameron's sister. Is that that like made sense of

594
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: the story? You kidn't. No, I just had forgotten it,

595
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: like I remembered it back then. But like as this

596
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: came up and I was like, wait, oh right, she's

597
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: part of that whole thing. So they're straight to crackle

598
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: Jay sitting Justine Bateman. Yeah. So she used to star

599
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: in lots of Hallmark Channel holiday movies, but left to

600
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: star in movies for the newer conservative Christian network Great

601
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: American Family. And she brought two of her full house

602
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: stars with her, including aunt Becky, herself, Laurie Laughlin. And

603
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: so this is this is a big deal. You know,

604
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: she's she she's a soldier in the culture culture War.

605
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: She's she's ready to put her life and career on

606
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: the line by taking a huge pay day. Thank you

607
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: for your service, ma'am. But Great American Family describes itself

608
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: as a channel celebrating faith, family, and country and is

609
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: owned by a company started by Bill Abbott, who was

610
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: the guy who was running Hallmark when they refused to

611
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: run an ad on their network that had the same

612
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Speaker 1: sex marriage in it. So okay, yeah, yeah, probably the

613
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Speaker 1: era when you couldn't have magic in Hallmark films. That's proba.

614
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: The lines up with this guy's philosophy. Okay. So Hallmark

615
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: have made efforts to diversify their Christmas movies with several

616
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 1: movies featuring gay couples in recent years, and Candice Cameron's

617
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: comments were condemned by everyone from Glad to Stephanie Tanner

618
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: herself Jody Sweeten, Yeah, my therapist, Stephanie Tanner for her honestly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I assumed she was one of the

620
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: ones that they have brought over, but it seems like

621
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: she she's come come around, you know. Yeah. She did

622
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: not say how rude, because that wasn't her line, right,

623
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: not even that that was how rude. Okay, Yeah, that's

624
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: why I picture one of the Olsen Twins thing. No,

625
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: that's you got it. She said, you got it. Or

626
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: you got it, Mr Yea to stop stop, don't talk

627
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: about the Olsen Twins. I went to school with them,

628
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, you danced with one of them one year.

629
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: It's fine. That was a huge deal when I when

630
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: I was like in college and I guess you were

631
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Speaker 1: in high school. I visited my friends in l A.

632
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Speaker 1: And they were like going to a party that one

633
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: of the Olsen twins were at, and it was like

634
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: a big deal to everyone. They're like, oh my god,

635
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: the Olsen Twins. So you must have been Mr king

636
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: ship Man going to a dance with one of the

637
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: Olsen twins. I don't know. I think I was just

638
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: like a cool, like chat boy of color at the school,

639
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: and you know, it just made them look cool. I

640
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, that's my own self forth. I'm

641
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: working through a therapy. Why did why did they learn

642
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: with me? I don't know. I know I think about

643
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: a party, a party with the Olsen Twins in my head,

644
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, the met gallup, Yeah that would be

645
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Or it's like when it's it's like a

646
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: party like you've never fucking experienced and you don't know

647
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: if it's like fun or totally weird and boring when

648
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: you was a documentary ready, like everyone's wearing newspaper masks

649
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: and humming this one melody like huh but yeah. So

650
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: she issued a non apology, blaming the press and painting

651
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: herself as the victim of a toxic media system which

652
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: falsely sought to so division by reprinting the thing she said,

653
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: which I let let me did I read her quote?

654
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: Let's let me make sure I have it, Okay. So

655
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: she came under fire because in an interview in The

656
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal, she said that Gaff's Christmas content would

657
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: only feature traditional marriage, the traditional family of yes, the

658
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: traditional family, of course being three kids, one dad, his

659
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: former college roommate, plus his dead, wet drum playing brother

660
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: and his entire family all crimmed into an attic. I

661
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: think sometimes and I don't know if you saw the thing.

662
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: There was this video that was kind of blown up

663
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: on the internet about how there's this big plot hole

664
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Speaker 1: in Full House where uncle as he talks about dropping

665
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: out of high school, but then he said he didn't

666
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: like in later episodes, and this guy, like his mind

667
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: was blown and for sixteen years he was trying to

668
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: contact the writers of Full House to be like, you know,

669
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: like you said, he dropped out of high school in

670
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: season two, right, and like it's like a really interesting video.

671
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: But they know the guys Jesse. Uncle Jesse's full so

672
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: you can drop out of high school and go on

673
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: to go to college. Like yeah, yeah, well there's uncle Jesse.

674
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: Seems like the type of person that he could have

675
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: like been valedictorian and but wouldn't tell anybody because that

676
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: undercover smart guy I didn't want to. Yeah, because he's

677
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: got this. Yeah he went to m I T. Dude,

678
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: it's like the guy from the Offspring. He's really fun. Yeah.

679
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: But anyways, like that, you know, this shouldn't be that surprising,

680
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: the act of making a bigoted Christmas movie. You should

681
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: be the Cameron family crest at this point. But you know,

682
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: she once defended that we're again bakery that illegally refused

683
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: to bake a wedding cake for a lesbian couple. So yeah,

684
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: she's not she's not for the rights of very many people,

685
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: or she's for the rights of a very specific group

686
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: of people. Yeah. Yeah, And she's also just you know

687
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: with that that whole family is you know, all in

688
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: on homophobia, especially her brother so the Tanners. Yeah, the

689
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: whole Tanner family has really gone to ship oh Candice.

690
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: But again it's like there was another one where she's

691
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: like posted a thing where she's like on TikTok where

692
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: she's like, am I the villain here? Like kind of

693
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: like trying to like troll people about like what her

694
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, bigoted stance was. But it's like you're, I

695
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: don't know, she's she's She's only relevant in that she

696
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: was in a seminal show for a lot of people's childhoods.

697
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: Other than that, it's not like you're talking about like

698
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: a real mover and shaker. So it's like, I don't know, Miles,

699
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: her acting talent is undeniable. I think it's kundeniably awful. Yes,

700
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: talk about her personal life all you want, but for me,

701
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: game recognized game and I can't was the weak point

702
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: in a cast that was not was not full of

703
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, the world's grace actor. Somehow two of the

704
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: cast members that were incoherent babies ended up becoming the

705
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: bigger stars on that show, and we're much more talented

706
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: and gave more convincing performance. Their fashion sense to you know,

707
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: way cooler when looking or when way cooler looking when

708
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: they smoke cigarettes at a young age. And in case

709
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: it's not clear to you what safe means in this

710
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: case last year, like that their definition of what safe

711
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: and traditional family. Last year they made twelve Christmas movies

712
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: gaff and all but one centered on straight white characters,

713
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: so wow. The other was a white savior story and

714
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: one one of the company's bankrolling. The channel belongs to

715
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: a Republican National Committee co chair it and Donald Trump

716
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: tas fan, although that could be said about probably every

717
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: company in the country. Yeah, check out Warner Discovery Plus.

718
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna get some interesting stuff there. I

719
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: think they even have a talking point about, like these

720
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: are safe movies that value quote American culture and quote heritage.

721
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: So heritage is one of those words that it's like, oh,

722
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: you're like, you're trying to disguise it, but really not

723
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: not much. Yeah. Yeah, our heritage, as you know, violent

724
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: colonizers are heritage of putting the Confederate flag on the

725
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: on the Orange Haaszard car, like hey, hey, we're not

726
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: gonna slander that beautiful vehicle on this show. American culture, heritage,

727
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: and lifestyle like those are my favorite ingredients to fascism.

728
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we're gonna

729
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: come back and talk about effective altruism. What could be

730
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: wrong with that? And we're back. Last week there was this,

731
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: like a few write ups I saw about something called

732
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: the Modern Day Night K and I h t project,

733
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, what is going on? We asked

734
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: j Mr Writer to to do a little digging on

735
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: this phenomenon, and it turns out it's it's a real thing.

736
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: And if you loved Summer Camp but you a wished

737
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: it had more guns and enduring tests and be you're

738
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: currently a sad adult man, we've got great news. You

739
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: can sign up for this project or this weird camp.

740
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: And while you think a Modern Day Night would presumably

741
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: just spend their time chilling out with Michael Caine and

742
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: Andrew Lloyd Waite Webber in a castle somewhere, these guys

743
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: are basically just in a boot camp, like a twelve

744
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: thousand dollar boot camp. And the website, if you go

745
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: to the website, what they're saying it's designed for men

746
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: who are quote living in unfulfilled life of passivity and

747
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: frustration or what they call but clearly are like unable

748
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: to trademark quote the Walking Dead. Uh. He said, in

749
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: simple terms, most men surrender to circumstances and accept mediocrity.

750
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: So they're trying to get you in your like masculine

751
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: grind mindset. And the introduction also includes passages about what

752
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: it means to be a man, like in bold letters

753
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: is what does it mean to be a man? And

754
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: apparently it means being one type of primate rather than

755
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: a different kind. Uh. They said, they don't need to

756
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: look any further than nature, because nature never lies. The

757
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: picture of the left depicts a chimpanzee and a bonobo

758
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: ape on their right, and the chimpanzee is like showing

759
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: its fangs and like snarling and teeth gnashing. The bonobo

760
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: is like just like, hey, I'm just chilling. And it says,

761
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: when you understand the difference between these two creatures, you'll

762
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: know why some men can walk into a room and

763
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: instantly command presence and respect. The way of the chimp

764
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: is based on strength, courage, honor, and brotherhood. The way

765
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: of the bonobo is based on weakness, pleasure, full time, relaxation,

766
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: and fun. I'm sorry, Blaster have fun, y'all, but nobles

767
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: have a ton of sex too. That's like, what do

768
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: you do? What you are they taking into a very

769
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: specific type of man that the internet type of man

770
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: who doesn't want a lot of sex apparently, well I think,

771
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean maybe yes, but also the guys who feel

772
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: that they're like, what's the term they use involuntarily celibrate

773
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: yea yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And I think and especially

774
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: because some of those guys seem very hard up to be,

775
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: like to have their manhood defined and outlined for them

776
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: in a way that is then not questionable, and doing

777
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: something like this where like you know, I was with

778
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: guides and Wilderness, so you can never tell me I

779
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: wasn't math skill in or that I didn't have the

780
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: answers I took leadership courses. It's also got like a

781
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: lot of I used to work for UM. All the

782
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: names are escaping me today. Guys. I'm so sorry. They're

783
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: like life coaches, but their brand is not based on

784
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: anything of event tearing you down in subtle ways like

785
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: the writing of yeah, well, like the writing is will

786
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: be like this, doesn't it suck that no one loves you?

787
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: And don't you wish your body was a little bit better?

788
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: So you can be more confident when you talk to people,

789
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: and you don't have those skills, but I definitely do.

790
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: So you know, make sure like they just constantly are

791
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: like reminding people of any possible insecurity so that by

792
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: the time you're finished reading their letter, you feel like

793
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: you need help. And that's definitely like reading on the website.

794
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: Here's okay, if you've made it this far down this page,

795
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: then I can already tell that you're not like most

796
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: men who know they're meant for more, but allow fear

797
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: and poor discipline disciple their personal development, income and impact.

798
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: That's key crazy to just like trigger a person with

799
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: low self esteem into purchasing whatever the packages. And it's

800
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: really horrifying that copy can do that. It's very successful. Yeah,

801
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: the power of copy and also the power of the

802
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: chimp too. Let's not forget courage and honor are foundational

803
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: to the chimpanzee, not randomly biting off the face of

804
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: your like human owner. Like that's when I see chimpanzee's

805
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: in the fucking news, it doesn't sound very honorable or brotherhood.

806
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: But again, they're wild animals and that's why shouldn't keep

807
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: them as pets. The pictures are so upsetting, Like it's

808
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of men in the water and white t shirts.

809
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: They're kind of dirty. They all look very tired and hungry. Yeah,

810
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: it's like a cross between a baptism and like a

811
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: child by fire exactly, baptism by fire. You got it

812
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: right there, Joel. The founder of this is some guy

813
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: named bedros Culian and uh, he wrote the he's got

814
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel and he's got a book called Man

815
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: Up and uh, you know YouTube channel, he's got stuff

816
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: like this guy's tadded. He's like just ripped, like beer

817
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: died gen extra dude. It's just like the just the

818
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: card says cancel culture. Okay, yeah, I'm sure there's some

819
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: really interesting takes on there. And he like, you know

820
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: that this whole thing conclusively proves by toxic masculinity isn't

821
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: a thing using graphics borrowed from a mid nineties karaoke video.

822
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: Because there are these like videos that like in impact font. Look,

823
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: I love it. I loved impact font too when I

824
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: first discovered fonts as a child. But this the style

825
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: guide is terrible here, and there's like there's just like

826
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: these in these videos and stuff. Is no such thing

827
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: as toxic masculinity, like played over very just you know,

828
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: mundane b roll type of stuff. But again, according to

829
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: this guy, his goal is to present men with a

830
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: crossroads and it's either stay a bitch or become a

831
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: beast in his words, which is also incidentally in the

832
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: same crossroads presented to the Prince in Beauty and the Beast.

833
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: But one of the projects hadn't struck You're Steve Eckert.

834
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: He's like saying, you know, you're not allowed to be

835
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: a man anymore. You're almost a racist if you're a

836
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: man these days. It's crazy. Oh, you're confused. You haven't

837
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: been understanding the message. That's such a weird thing to say,

838
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: Like you couldn't write better comedy than that, where someone's like,

839
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: you're almost a racist if you're a man these days.

840
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: What do you? What do you? What do you want?

841
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: In their whiteness based off of all of the If

842
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: you go to the video section, they have testimonials, Yeah,

843
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: and then it's looking very white in there. I'm not

844
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: seeing anybody else, Joel. Again, you know, I don't want

845
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: to be regressive here, but this isn't for you, Okay, clearly, bros.

846
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: It's for bros with twelve thousand dollars to pay, not

847
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: including flights or accommodation, so they can get accommodations at

848
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: twelve No, that's just to be yelled at and play

849
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: with guns and get told you're a pussy by some

850
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: fucking ripped guy. And then I think you come out

851
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: the other side better. Hey, Dominatrix, it's some money better

852
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: spent and they're probably not gonna hide you two. For

853
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: twelve grand, you could build a pretty good dungeon. Explicitly

854
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: like this this whole thing, Like there's a lot of

855
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: militarized stuff because you know what, deep rooted psychological problem

856
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: hasn't been solved by a handgun. I think it's a

857
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: very very good combination that they have going there. And

858
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: like the beginning of this quote unquote project starts with

859
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: people being thrown into a car with bags over their heads,

860
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: like the recruiting scene in old School. We're getting their

861
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: fraternity together, just snatching people off the street, and then

862
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: they have to do a lot of physical challenges. And

863
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: there was like apparently someone this isn't confirmed, but like

864
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: someone in like a Reddit post was talking about like

865
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: a guy who did it and said that they were

866
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: they were buried alive in body bags. For a little

867
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: bit too part with what's been happening, because like, okay,

868
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: so now it's so interesting. Okay, so it's like not

869
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: just that like motivational speaker kind of life, but it's

870
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: also a little bit of like Christian church camp if

871
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: you've ever had to go through that, it's also a

872
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: little bit I forget what they're called, but basically it's

873
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: traumatized like an entire generation of teenagers whose parents would

874
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: like pay to have them kidnapped. And yes, that was

875
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: actually has to be like weird worker camps where kids

876
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: were being like sexually assaulted but also worked to the

877
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: point of exhaustion sometimes death, where girls were forced to

878
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: like take their pregnancy to term and forced into like

879
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: long term isolation spaces, like horrible spaces. But again, I

880
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: think it feeds into this idea for a certain kind

881
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: of guy who thinks, like the only way to prove

882
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: that I am a man is by going through the

883
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 1: most amount of hardship as possible. And because I wasn't

884
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: fortunate enough quotes to go through any misfortune previously, I

885
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: have to manufacture it later in life to prove a point,

886
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: it's very weird. What's to wake up my weakness inside

887
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: of me? Well, that's why I'm going, and that's why

888
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: Jack is there today. I didn't want to reveal that

889
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: on the show. That's why Jack's out. He's still Someone

890
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: extracts Jack immediately. He's not built for Ever since someone

891
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: said he didn't know how to pose with his hands

892
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: in a photograph, he's really been grappling with that. And

893
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: he's like, what if I had guns in my hands

894
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: and would so? Uh, you know, thoughts in prayers to him,

895
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: but he'll come back with a great assessment of that.

896
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, just you know, just everybody out there, you

897
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: don't need to pay twelve thousand dollars to to find

898
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: out your you got a lot of Just therapy is

899
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: cheaper twelve tho dollars worth the therapy ship. He's gonna

900
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: be good at really tell you who will be able

901
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: to look somebody in the eye during a conversation And

902
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: it won't be because someone hits you with a two

903
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: by four on your back while push up god buried

904
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: alive brow. When is there any part of this experience

905
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: that appeals to you in any way, shape or form. Yeah,

906
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: this sounds very vermont Man to me. Well, I'm hoping

907
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: there's other options besides bitch or beast, like something is

908
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: there like a middle. But I'm also thinking about this,

909
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: Like I just saw this video on Twitter, of course,

910
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: of these dudes jousting each other on like you know,

911
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: they had like real lances but on bicycles, and the

912
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: lances had like a you know, almost like a boxing

913
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: glove thing on the end, so they wouldn't actually like

914
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: kill each other, but like charging each other on bicycle

915
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: and jousting. And I'm wondering if this is part of

916
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: being a modern night or if this is totally separate.

917
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: It sounds like it would go right into the curriculum,

918
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: no problem. Yeah. If anything, those guys jousting at least there,

919
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: I feel like that's like hardcore LARPing, you know, like

920
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: at least you're like you're doing the fucking thing. But

921
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: nerth sword it would be very bendy, but he's getting

922
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: her at a proper larking session. My dad, like in

923
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: the nineties in New York, his friend used to do

924
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: these like weird like fight club things in New York

925
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: where people would make their own armor with like parking

926
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: cones and ship and they just fucking get down in

927
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: parks like Washington Square Park. Yeah, and like a man

928
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: is more foreign to me. I don't understand this at all. Yeah,

929
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's just this like weird, bizarre

930
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: trying to capture what they believe is quote unquote like masculinity.

931
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: And I think for a lot of like men, they

932
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: like maybe like hold their grandfathers in high regard to

933
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: and are like, Yeah, that guy who was in a

934
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: war who didn't cry, but also like gave my dad

935
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot of weird issues because the way he raised him,

936
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: that had an entire family across state lines and never

937
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: communicated with his children. Great examples. Yeah, and he was

938
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: not in the field working every day. He was exhausted.

939
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: He broke his body and there was no one able

940
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: to fix it. Like, you don't want to be that guy.

941
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to be no bussy. I want to

942
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: be a beast with his creepy candelabra and teapot that

943
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: talk to me or that's beauty the beast I forget anyway, rowing,

944
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, I want to talk a little

945
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: bit about food because that is your like area of

946
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: expertise and your new podcast about chocolate, because you know,

947
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: right now we have Thanksgiving upon us. I have many questions, like,

948
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: first off, is there a perfect Thanksgiving food before we

949
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: get into the podcast, just want to kick that off

950
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: from there. Is there a perfect Thanksgiving food? In your opinion?

951
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw throw the sort

952
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: of one actually from left field. Well, I actually think

953
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: that the thing that should start off everything's Giving meal

954
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: is oysters. Oh go on, are you guys as Yeah? Okay,

955
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: sisters our deal breaker of some people, but you're on. Yeah,

956
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: do you like? I'm I like the little slime. I

957
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: love the Brian too. When it's Briany, it's my favorite. Exactly. Actually,

958
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: a box oysters just arrived in my house like an

959
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: hour ago for Thanksgiving. That Thanksgivings when they're at their best.

960
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah yeah. Then people don't realize this, but

961
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: oysters have a whole like seasonal thing because their lifestyle.

962
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: So when the water gets cold, they start to get

963
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: they kind of go into hibernation winter, just like little

964
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: tiny bears. So and just like little tiny bears, they

965
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: plump themselves up to survive that hibernation period so when

966
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: the things get cold in the fall, they start eating

967
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: like crazy and and fattening themselves up, so around like

968
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving through New Year's they are at their like peak

969
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: of deliciousness. I had no idea, Yeah, I had no idea. World. Wait,

970
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: so why start off with oysters? I mean, like I don't.

971
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm not like, is there some experiential science to that

972
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: or why why do you? Why do you say? That

973
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: is the perfect opener. But they don't really fill you

974
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: up in any way, you know, like there's they're kind

975
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: of like living salt water in a sense. So it's

976
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: just like you got a quick hit of of salty

977
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: oceany deliciousness and then they're gone. And so you're not

978
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: like you're not ruining the courses to come right. Oh man, now,

979
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 1: I'm of course you don't drink anything with your mute,

980
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: so they're really salty, So I don't know, you kind

981
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: of have to have I mean, I'll have something after,

982
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: but I'm never gonna be like, Okay, first drink the

983
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: liquor out of the loud of the shell, then have

984
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: then eat the oyster. Me I'll have something after all.

985
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: You have the liquid. Yeah, and would you what about

986
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: use their perfect Thanksgiving too. Yes, I'm stealing my answer

987
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: from Semine no strat Okay, so that cranberries because they're

988
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: the only acidity on the table and they cut through

989
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: everything as absolutely, Like, if you don't have cranberry sauce,

990
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: it's not Thanksgiving to me. And I'm a I'm a

991
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: jelly can girl. Yeah, I like it real basic when

992
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: my dad likes it because you can slice along the ridges,

993
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: so it's like perfect portions of it. I love cranberry sauce.

994
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: I was just saying yesterday, I can't do cranberry sauce.

995
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: I just why, I just don't there. I have a

996
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: my palette is not Oh it's not a tuned for

997
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: that burst of cranberry on my Thanksgiving plate. I just

998
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: I know why it's there. But I just prefer I

999
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: don't indulge. I like to keep it pretty straightforward. Have

1000
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: you have you tried all the version? There's so many versions.

1001
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: Try the time we're talking about, Yeah, I've tried. Look,

1002
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: I always try. It's like candy corn. I'm like, yeah,

1003
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: this year is the year, and then no, I don't

1004
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: want this. How keet you talking about cranberries and candy

1005
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: corn in the same sentence, this is blasphemy. I'm just

1006
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: saying it's like a thing that I always feel like

1007
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: this will be the year that I opened up to

1008
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: and then I realized I just need to accept that

1009
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: it might not be from Okay, you know that's it,

1010
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: that's your truth. It's wrong, but I understand it. Okay.

1011
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: What about favorite dessert for Thanksgiving? Go Joel? Okay, probably

1012
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: chocolate peacampie. Is that I feel? For me. I don't

1013
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: like a pumpkin pie. I need my gourds cooked in

1014
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: breads or roasted like fire roasted where they're like almost caramelized.

1015
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: But a chocolate peacamp hie, especially if you can get

1016
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: one from like a South Carolina Georgia Texas area. Forget sensation.

1017
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: Actually Connecticut has really good one too. I'm glad you

1018
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: brought up I'm glad you brought up chocolate because Obsessions

1019
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: Wild Chocolate is your podcast, and there's chocolate is something

1020
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: I love to eat and every time I see it,

1021
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: like harvested, I'm like, that's fucking chocolate? How that? How

1022
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: that turned a chocolate? Can you tell us a little

1023
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: bit about like your your podcast and like, you know,

1024
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: just it gives u us a little bit of an

1025
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: education like you did on red wine and oysters. So

1026
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: you're right, like yeah, Like, so chocolate is made from

1027
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: the seeds of this tree that grows in in the

1028
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: tropics called a cacouchry, and you open up these pods

1029
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: and it's just it looks like this white, slimy, maggoty

1030
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: pulp and you're like, that's definitely not chocolate. So it

1031
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: has to go through this whole process where they they

1032
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: scoop out the pulp and the seeds and fermented. It

1033
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: has to be fermented, yeah, it's it has to be

1034
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: fermented or it never tastes like chocolate. So and that's part.

1035
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: That's part that sometimes gets skipped in like crappy chocolate.

1036
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: But anyway, so they do that and then you dry

1037
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: it and then you have to roast it and then

1038
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: it starts to look almost like almonds, like these brown beans,

1039
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: and then those ground and mixed with sugar to make chocolate. Man, Okay,

1040
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,959
Speaker 1: So I had no idea how to be fermented note

1041
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: to sell, Yeah, so I'll never be able to them.

1042
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: And it smells almost like like chocolate wine when it's fermenting,

1043
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: Like you walk through an area where it's all being

1044
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: heaped up and fermented, and it's like feels alcoholic almost, Okay,

1045
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: I like that, Like what you know, what is it

1046
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: about chocolate that makes it? It's like one of these

1047
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: like coveted things throughout history, you know, and and even

1048
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: now like we like it's it's one of Joel's favorite deserves,

1049
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: like certainly my favorite kind of ice cream. And if

1050
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: anything has cholcoln, like yes, that like oysters. I guess

1051
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: people say it's an affrodisiac, but I don't know if

1052
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: that's what the science is behind that. But what what

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01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: is it? Like, you know, like why is it? Why

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01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: does it? Like? Why is it so? What is it?

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01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: Why is it so powerful in your estimation? Like in

1056
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: looking at how so many people like fight over it

1057
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: and it's like this just gigantic industry. And that's one

1058
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: thing that we keep trying to explore in the podcast

1059
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: is what why why do people go crazy for the stuff?

1060
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: Why do they go to such great length for it?

1061
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: And part of it is it's actually pretty good recreational substance.

1062
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: It's got a bunch of different psychoactive compounds in it,

1063
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: so they're not like they're not gonna hit you over

1064
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: the head like like Ayahuaska or anything. It's got a

1065
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 1: lot of compounds in it and make it feel good,

1066
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, like that get the dopamine going so and

1067
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: that's why, you know the Maya and the Aztec, it was.

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01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: Chocolate was like the heart of their rituals, like all

1069
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: their ceremonies they would be They always did it as

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01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: a drink, like basically like a hot chocolate, really thick

1071
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: hot chocolate, and that was like their thing that they

1072
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: worshiped with because it made you feel really good. So

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01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: it's got it's got some cannabinoids in it, it's got

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01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: some things that sort of get your heart going a

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01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: little bit, but then it's got other stuff that just

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01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, science wise, no one really knows why, but

1077
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: it you come away feeling like about the universe. No,

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01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure anybody who likes chocolate can think of a

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01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: time they've they had a chocolate that they tried for

1080
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: the first time that was so good and like like

1081
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: you give a wave fucking washes over you. I don't

1082
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: know if I'm being hyperbolic, but sometimes I have that

1083
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: sensation like something really rich like chocolate. I'm like I

1084
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going the hyper space on the Millennium

1085
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 1: falcon ship like lines, and I'm like, oh me too.

1086
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: In fact, I can't do it late at night or

1087
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: like I'm in a hyperspace and it's not sleeping, you know. Oh,

1088
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: Luckily I don't have that issue. I could I could eat,

1089
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: I could eat. Yeah, I can drink espresso in bad

1090
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: and I'll be fine. But it's just not a good

1091
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: idea to just each other anyway. My wife doesn't like that.

1092
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: But what are you when I saw your face going

1093
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: in all kinds of places when you're talking about all

1094
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: the psychoactive chemicals. Because I believe it. I believe it.

1095
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: Like my mom growing up, she loved it, like a

1096
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: dove chocolate, so she will like have the in the

1097
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: kitchen little things and then they were like perfect, little

1098
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: bite sized like pick me up. You know. I think

1099
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: every major celebration in my life has had some form

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01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: of chocolate nearby, you know, whether it's like a birthday

1101
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: cake or you know, and ice cream after like an

1102
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: an epic fail. It's always it's like a I don't know,

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01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: I think chocolate, especially as an American, I'm not sure,

1104
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: Like globally. But it's like, but as an American, there's

1105
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: always some chocolate nearby if you need to pick me up,

1106
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: or if you need to celebrate, or if you need

1107
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: a random gift to hand off. This you're seeing somebody randomly, like,

1108
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: it's just it's available to us at all times in

1109
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: every ways, and I'm grateful for it, right and not

1110
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: even like to your point where and it feels like

1111
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: that's like, it's weird that even a box of chocolate,

1112
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: like people like thank you for this gift, you know

1113
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: what I mean, Because any other like sweet like quote

1114
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: unquote candy, someone might be able to be like, oh

1115
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: this doesn't quite rise to the occasion. But chocolate, like

1116
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: we still like we hold it like that's still sacred

1117
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: ince on some level, especially if you get like one

1118
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: of the fancy boxes. Not to be this person. I'm

1119
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: a name d of a little bit, so I Deshanelle

1120
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: when we wanted to her podcast sentos chocolates and I

1121
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's kind of cute. But then I

1122
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: had them and I was like, oh, this is all

1123
01:03:54,600 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: level chocolate. Three of these a year. Wow. Next you

1124
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: notice that totally with like the really good stuff yeah,

1125
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: the next level stuff. It's like you get more of

1126
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: that hit like slightly drug like hit, but it's not

1127
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: too much drug. Like that's what that's what's so good

1128
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: about it, you know, like little chocolate mid morning and

1129
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: it's it's just wait, okay, so explain this because there's

1130
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: levels to everything and like growing. I know you just

1131
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: said oh yeah the good stuff. What are like, i know,

1132
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: like your latest episode is talking about like like big

1133
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: chocolate you know, yeah, like and yeah those are the

1134
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: bad guys. Yeah, So first off, what's the difference between

1135
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: like a regular chocolate that we're like, oh, that's good

1136
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: and one that like you're like, this is the this

1137
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: like what are the absolute heights of chocolate dump that

1138
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm not aware of or like I'm want to be

1139
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: aware of. Yeah, so it kind of goes back to that,

1140
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: partly to that fermentation thing. So chocolate it's a huge industry.

1141
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: It's like a like multi bill hundred billion dollar industry,

1142
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: five million tons of cacao growing every year, mostly in Africa,

1143
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: and there's some real issues with forced labor. They're like

1144
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of child labor involved, and the chocolate

1145
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: companies have had for like twenty years people that after

1146
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: them saying, y'all gotta figure this out, you know, and

1147
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: the prices they pay are really low, and that's why

1148
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: there ends up being this like child labor because the

1149
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: farmers in Africa end up haven't using children because they're

1150
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: being paid so little for their cacao and they also

1151
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: aren't paid enough to like treat to to like do

1152
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: all these quality steps that they need to do. But

1153
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: the chocolate companies, the big chocolate companies, they haven't really

1154
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: gone out of their way to try to fix that

1155
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: because they want to keep the prices low. Would be

1156
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: that they don't. They don't say that, but it's clear.

1157
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: But then so chocolate originated in the Amazon, in the

1158
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: America's and there's still like these old varieties there that

1159
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: have amazing flavor, usually just grown in these like tiny

1160
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: farms in Latin America that have kind of been forgotten

1161
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: about by the industry and that and they are often

1162
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: going to all these steps to ferment it really well,

1163
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: to draw out those amazing flavors and those drug like

1164
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: effects more expensive. But and they're also not using flave labor, right,

1165
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 1: So the there's a shift. Now there's are like people

1166
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: are really pushing to like try to embrace these these

1167
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: more equitable, more sustainable forms of chocolate production from the

1168
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: America's and also to have that happen more in West

1169
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: Africa as well. Right, So that's the difference. It's it's

1170
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: like it's funny every industry. So I was like, yeah,

1171
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: and the conditions are so bad for the workers because

1172
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: the cost cutting measures like exactly what it is in

1173
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: chocolate if if the like, if you know farmers in

1174
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: like West Africa, we're paying workers in equitable wage, how

1175
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: much do you think chocolate would actually cost? Like what

1176
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: kind of like what's the cost thing? The savings that

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01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: the like big chilcolate companies are so like being like,

1178
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: oh man, it's a difference between a five dollar and

1179
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: a fucking sixty dollar thing or like what how much different?

1180
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: It's not it's the between like a two dollar Hershey

1181
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: bar and a three dollar Hershey bar. And yeah, like

1182
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: so the governments and like Ivy Coast and Ghanta have

1183
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: like they just put a premium on their their chocolate,

1184
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: right the tocaw They're like, all right, we're gonna charge

1185
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: you an extra four hundred bucks of ton So that

1186
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: all the farmers can have a liv mobile wage and

1187
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: hershey immediately like went around that and bought like I

1188
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: forget thirty thousand tons of cacao on the futures market

1189
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,919
Speaker 1: at a lower price to get around having to pay

1190
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: that like void premium. So the big, the big guys

1191
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: have been avoid trying to avoid higher prices at all costs,

1192
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: and they won't be able to for long. But yeah,

1193
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: it's not that much different. It's like everything would be

1194
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: a little more expensive. That's that's so wild and hersh huh.

1195
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's like it's again, it's one of these

1196
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: things to you always see about like fair trade. There's

1197
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: always like every year there's a new fair trade thing,

1198
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, because like our consciousness is now realizing Oh yeah,

1199
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: like we gotta look at our coffee like harvesting practices

1200
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: and you're like at this harvesting practice. And now with

1201
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: chocolate is it like so it is a burgeoning movement

1202
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: like it can where because I want to be able

1203
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: to now say I want this kind of chocolate because

1204
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: my main Rohan just put me on what is like

1205
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: what's what's what's like the rolls Royce of chocolates that

1206
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 1: we can put some of our listeners onto for who

1207
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: those who participate in the chocolate indulging experience. All right,

1208
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: So the real Rolls Royce for me right now is

1209
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: a woman I focused on the podcast named Louisa Abraham.

1210
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: She's a Brazilian woman. She came out of she quit

1211
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: culinary school like ten years ago when she was in

1212
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: her mid twenties and decided she just wanted to make

1213
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 1: chocolate out of the wild cacao growing in the Amazon.

1214
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: So she's been partnering with these different different indigenous groups

1215
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: and different parts of the Amazon to make a chocolate

1216
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: with each of their cocaos and basically to funnel that

1217
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: money back into their community to Basically, it's a way

1218
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: of because chocolate it grows as an understory in the

1219
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: rainform in the Amazon, like it's a little tree, So

1220
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,959
Speaker 1: if you harvest the chocolate, you don't have to touch

1221
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,560
Speaker 1: the forest, so you can sort of keep It's a

1222
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: way of create making money while keeping the forest alive.

1223
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,759
Speaker 1: So she's partnering with these different groups in the Amazon

1224
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: to do that. And also each one of those cocos

1225
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: has a totally different flavor to it, right, so you

1226
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: can kind of like taste all these different flavors of

1227
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: the of the rainforest through your chocolates, probably fermented to

1228
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: right and beautifully fermented. That's one because and I was

1229
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,759
Speaker 1: with her, like you go to these areas mill nowhere.

1230
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: You know, you're like sleeping in a hammock and I'm

1231
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: trying not to get eaten by a crocodile. And you're

1232
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: teaching these workshops about how to ferment the beans to

1233
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: make really good chocolate. Yeah. Wow, okay, we'll see now

1234
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: I can. Now I'm armed with some some good conversation

1235
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: for things. Can you drop your name again for listen?

1236
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: A B R A M And she has an awesome

1237
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: Instagram account, so where with amazing images of what she's doing.

1238
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: That's a good place for everyone to start. Okay, fantastic.

1239
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeite. Guys,

1240
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: please like and review the show. If you like the show,

1241
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: uh means the world to Miles. He needs your validation. Folks.

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01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: talk to you Monday. By