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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm very excited for this episode of Sauce on

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Speaker 1: the side. You know why why I'm talking to Andrew

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Speaker 1: and Diamond. By the way, they're both.

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Speaker 2: Here producers today.

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Speaker 1: Hey, building a team. Guys, we're building a team.

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Speaker 2: I love it. It's great.

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Speaker 1: So today's guest is a guy named Milo Rossi, who

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Speaker 1: is an archaeologist. You know what archaeologists do, Diamond.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they look at rocks.

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Speaker 1: They do that a little.

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Speaker 4: Thought.

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Speaker 5: They like inspect rocks and like dig up old dark rocks.

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Speaker 5: Shut up they Oh, okay, they dig up old rocks

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Speaker 5: and inspect them.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sure that's part of the Andrew, would you

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Speaker 1: like to chime in on what archaeologists do?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 2: They uncover hidden history and they're well versed in history,

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Speaker 2: and they do dig up rocks and artifacts and all

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Speaker 2: these other things.

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Speaker 3: Like dinosaur but yes, oh, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because Diamond has no belief that dinosaurs actually existed, right.

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Speaker 5: I just I have questions, and I don't really know

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Speaker 5: what my questions are, but I have questions.

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Speaker 3: Something doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: I would like you to think of what your questions

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Speaker 1: would be, because I really want you to ask him.

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Speaker 2: I will remain set for this interview, specifically for that part,

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Speaker 2: so well.

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Speaker 1: Where your questions are, like both of you, if you

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Speaker 1: guys have questions, because I have a billion, but I

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Speaker 1: feel like I'm coming from a place where I accept

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Speaker 1: a lot of the information that they present and Diamond doesn't.

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Speaker 1: So I just want you to ask your questions so

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Speaker 1: that you can have clarity in one direction or the other.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, I think it's I think this is a setup,

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Speaker 5: but you know what, I'm just gonna roll with it.

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Speaker 5: And I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: Have you setting you up for I don't.

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Speaker 5: Know, to make me look dumb? What happened the last

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Speaker 5: time the dinosaurs.

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Speaker 2: Are actually real?

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Speaker 6: Were you there?

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Speaker 4: Was I?

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Speaker 2: There were you the billions of years ago? No? I wasn't.

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Speaker 3: I was, and nobody alive right now was.

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Speaker 1: So let's just I don't know if I believe in reincarnation,

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Speaker 1: and I think I have raptor like tendencies. I think

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Speaker 1: I might have been there, all right.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe mention that to him. I love the

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Speaker 2: way he tears down all the history. I'm so excited

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Speaker 2: for this one. Oh.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Hi, I'm Gandhi. This this is my

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Speaker 1: podcast on the side with my friends Diamond and Andrew

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Speaker 1: Aka also my producers. I think, have you ever seen

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Speaker 1: the skeleton of a bunny?

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Speaker 3: No, who's seen a skeleton of a bunny?

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Speaker 1: Pull it up here. I'm gonna tell you something. The

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Speaker 1: skeleton of a bunny. It looks terrifying. And I think

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Speaker 1: that we have these ideas of what dinosaurs look like.

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Speaker 1: Look at that. Look at that. That's terrifying.

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Speaker 3: You would not that is terrifying.

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Speaker 1: That's a dinosaur. No, that's a bunny.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to know how we know that

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Speaker 1: these things looked so lizardy when we clearly say that

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Speaker 1: not be giant, massive like big birds running around?

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Speaker 3: We don't know, that's my point.

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Speaker 1: But they were still dinosaurs.

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Speaker 5: What if they weren't really dinosaurs? What if they were

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Speaker 5: just birds? But I don't I'd still be done.

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Speaker 1: When there were sixty five million year old birds that

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Speaker 3: We don't know because we weren't there.

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Speaker 2: The new Jurassic Park actually changed the raptor design to

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Speaker 2: be more like what you're saying, more bird like, because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, hair, feathers, fur, A lot of

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Speaker 1: So these things could have looked completely different. And I

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Speaker 1: just want to know how we know that they look

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Speaker 1: so terrifying. That's all Diamond is rolling her eyes. You

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Speaker 3: I'm so into this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: Who would you like to have on as a guest

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Speaker 3: Bethany Frankel.

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Speaker 1: I knew she was gonna say, a freaking housewife. Do

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Speaker 1: you think we can get Bethany Frankle?

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Speaker 5: I could try, Okay, Carol rads A, Well, now you

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Speaker 5: think I would? I think you'd love her? Oh my god,

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Speaker 5: maybe Carol. She's done podcasts before, but I think she's

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Speaker 5: friends with them. But you're a smart woman. She loves

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Speaker 4: Come on, Carol.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we're gonna go from an archaeologist to

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Speaker 1: Carol Ratswell maybe at some point, perfect, But before we

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Speaker 1: do anything else, I think we should have our friend

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Speaker 1: Mila Rossi come in so we can just get right

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Speaker 3: Okay, Hi, great to meet you, to meet me.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, let's hope that we feel the same way

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Speaker 5: about each other when you're leaving.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, we're discussing, you know, opinions and things. That's

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Speaker 4: nothing personal.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here we go. He's here, Milo Rossi. By

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Speaker 1: the way, thank you so much for joining me. I

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Speaker 1: know you're really busy and you've had like twenty stops

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Speaker 4: It's wonderful to be here. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 4: having me. It really is an honor to be in

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Speaker 4: the big Apple.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stay here for like five for minutes, and you'll

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Speaker 4: I gotta say, the twenty minute walk it took me

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Speaker 4: to get here was a test. I bet, I know,

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Speaker 4: I bet.

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Speaker 1: I have you here for so many reasons. So first

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Speaker 1: of all, Milo Rossi has a very popular short series,

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Speaker 1: and I watched a bunch of them called The Minute,

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Speaker 1: Mini Minute Man. Yes, yes, okay.

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Speaker 6: By the way.

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Speaker 1: His background, he is an environmental scientist, an archaeologist, and

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Speaker 6: Got it where I used to live.

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Speaker 1: Love Boston represent I always say, like, the smartest people

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Speaker 4: It's a double edged sword.

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Speaker 1: Smart and mean. So I have you here because I

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Speaker 6: Just saying hi to.

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Speaker 1: Diamond has some things that she does not believe in,

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Speaker 1: and it has to do specifically with your field.

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Speaker 5: I just don't know if dinosaurs were actually real. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 5: because I'll go through my list please. So number one,

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Speaker 5: well we could have been told that these are dinosaur bones,

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Speaker 5: but they're not really, you know what I mean. Also

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Speaker 5: number two, I think that people over exaggerate what they

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Speaker 5: and like, were they actually that big? We go to

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Speaker 5: Lastly, I know you're gonna rip me apart. It's fine

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Speaker 5: here to you know, we don't know, like none of

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, sixty five million years ago.

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Speaker 3: It's just like, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw this out here for a second.

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Speaker 1: She will go back and forth about all of this dinosaurs.

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Speaker 1: You know, we don't know that they existed, there's no proof,

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But she wholeheartedly believes in God, and

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Speaker 1: I say, oh, prove that, and she's like, just show

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Speaker 5: But then also it's like I don't fault people for

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know, I think that's another important thing is that,

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Speaker 4: Sorry, no, no, no, no worries answer over podcast etiquette.

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Speaker 4: You know. That's actually, you know, an interesting point. And

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Speaker 4: I've had a lot of people on my channel ask me,

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Speaker 4: system that it sort of guides for you. As for dinosaurs,

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Speaker 5: To be like, okay, the skull was smaller at one

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Speaker 5: of the rocks. Now uh you said mineralizing, Yes, what

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Speaker 5: if that caused it to like look bigger than it is?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, listen, don't even I don't know.

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Speaker 6: No, these are good questions. Do you want to ask

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Speaker 6: if I'm just saying yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think no. I think that's the other important thing is,

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Speaker 1: the concern with that?

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Speaker 6: To you?

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Speaker 4: That's a good question. I've seen a lot of sort

441
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Speaker 4: of anecdotal like articles about that, most of them just

442
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Speaker 4: kind of like sources sort of speculating on it. So yeah, yeah,

443
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Speaker 4: so I have to admit I haven't seen a lot

444
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Speaker 4: of you know, actual scientific research on it. That doesn't

445
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Speaker 4: mean that there isn't any, but I'm just unfamiliar with it.

446
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Speaker 4: And the thing that I've always kind of been skeptical about,

447
00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,679
Speaker 4: which is more of an opinion than anything else, is

448
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Speaker 4: viruses are not like universal, Like a virus can't just

449
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Speaker 4: apply to anything like That was the big thing, you know,

450
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Speaker 4: when COVID start is it made the jump from like

451
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Speaker 4: bats to people, Like that's really big for it to

452
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Speaker 4: make that jump between two different very in two very

453
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Speaker 4: different biological biological forms. And so the thing I always

454
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Speaker 4: kind of wondered about the you know, the ice caps

455
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Speaker 4: melting is would whatever is coming out of the ice

456
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Speaker 4: actually be able to jump to humans like was the

457
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Speaker 4: last time it was prevalent, And were the you know,

458
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Speaker 4: host organisms that it was working with close enough to

459
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Speaker 4: humans that it would not only be able to survive

460
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Speaker 4: that long, but be able to make contact with humans,

461
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Speaker 4: infect a human, be strong enough to infect other humans,

462
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Speaker 4: and go on to you know, end the world.

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Speaker 7: So you know, I'm not saying yes, the answer is yes, yes,

464
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Speaker 7: one hundred percent. Yeah, and they're all, yeah, exactly. So

465
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Speaker 7: I have no idea, but it's definitely some cause for thought.

466
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Speaker 1: You know, I read these things, I'm like, oh, that's

467
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Speaker 1: gonna get us. Huh, this is gonna get us.

468
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Speaker 4: And it's fun reads. You know, it keeps me thinking,

469
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Speaker 4: you know, absolutely.

470
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Speaker 1: I mean it's just it's stuff that I would have

471
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Speaker 1: never thought of until you know, the environment really came

472
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Speaker 1: under attack. And now when you don't treat Mother Nature right,

473
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Speaker 1: you don't treat the Earth's right, She's gonna come for you.

474
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Speaker 4: She's pissed.

475
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Speaker 1: Seen a lot of movies, Yes, she is pissed. So

476
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Speaker 1: as an archaeologist, you well, in an environmental scientist, what

477
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Speaker 1: are some of the things that you like, the coolest

478
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Speaker 1: things that you have done? Because I know you did

479
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Speaker 1: a motorcycle ride out yeah, and you just spent time

480
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Speaker 1: investigating things out there. Tell us some of the stuff

481
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Speaker 1: that you have found.

482
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Well, that's a great question. I guess to kind

483
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Speaker 4: of you know, I got a two answers here. So

484
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Speaker 4: the motorcycle ride, Yeah, that was my most recent I

485
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Speaker 4: did that this past summer, and that was for a

486
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Speaker 4: documentary series that I did called Dark Roots. It was

487
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Speaker 4: my first sort of solo endeavor. But do you find

488
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Speaker 4: that on YouTube at many minute? Man? So, So anyway,

489
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Speaker 4: when I did Dark Roots, my goal was to kind

490
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Speaker 4: of tell the story of the land itself. I think

491
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Speaker 4: so much of our history that we learn here is

492
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Speaker 4: you know, like, you know, the settlers showed up and

493
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Speaker 4: like maybe you get a little bit of indigenous history,

494
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Speaker 4: but like, you know, it's then they founded this city

495
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Speaker 4: and they did this, and they found gold in the hills,

496
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Speaker 4: and then you know, like and now we have America,

497
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Speaker 4: and like that's kind of it. But the story goes

498
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Speaker 4: way farther back.

499
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Speaker 1: You can't found a place a bunch of people already live.

500
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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly we did not find this place. Yeah, so

501
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Speaker 4: so you know, they they My goal with that documentary

502
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Speaker 4: series is not only to take it back to the

503
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Speaker 4: indigenous people who here you know, before us, but also

504
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Speaker 4: to take it back to all the geologic forces that

505
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Speaker 4: you know, created this country. It's not enough to know

506
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Speaker 4: why you know that there was gold mining in these mountains?

507
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Speaker 4: Why is their gold in these mountains? Why can't I

508
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Speaker 4: just go dig on the street here and find gold?

509
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Speaker 4: You know? Like why is you know when you think

510
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Speaker 4: of you know, any Western movie and you get some

511
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Speaker 4: beautiful mason, there's you know, cowboy riding on it. Why

512
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Speaker 4: are there maces there and not here? So there's so

513
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Speaker 4: many you know, the earth is a giant book, and

514
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Speaker 4: we are a very you know, lucky species to be

515
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Speaker 4: able to decipher it. Where some of the first you

516
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Speaker 4: know that we know can really look at the world

517
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 4: own us and ask why. And so I think that,

518
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Speaker 4: you know, it's really interesting to be able to find

519
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Speaker 4: a way to interpret those stories and really tell it

520
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Speaker 4: a deep history is kind of the way that I

521
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Speaker 4: refer to it. Anyway, I digress. Your original question was,

522
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Speaker 4: you know, what is some of the places I've been

523
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Speaker 4: that I think are the most interesting.

524
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Speaker 1: Like if you were to recommend to other people, Hey,

525
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Speaker 1: there's this place, yeah, not a lot of people know

526
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Speaker 1: about and you should go check it out, what would

527
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Speaker 1: it be? Because let me tell you, Andrew Diamond and

528
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Speaker 1: I we are trying to go off the grid and

529
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Speaker 1: do a trip we've done it before and we had

530
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Speaker 1: a blast. But tell us some places to go.

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Speaker 4: That's an excellent question. Well, I cannot recommend the US enough.

532
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Speaker 4: I think that, yeah, you know, the US is something

533
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Speaker 4: and everyone's like, we've done the classic American road trip,

534
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Speaker 4: but like there's so much history in this country that

535
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Speaker 4: like is just so easy to drive by on the interstate,

536
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Speaker 4: you know.

537
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Speaker 1: And is there something that's like, not to bring it

538
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Speaker 1: back to Indiana Jones, but like a holy grail of

539
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Speaker 1: things that are out there, something that all archaeologists think

540
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Speaker 1: if I can just find this one thing that would

541
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Speaker 1: be amazing.

542
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Speaker 4: Well, I think that it might be a little bit

543
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Speaker 4: different for every archaeologist because you know, many of them

544
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Speaker 4: are our marriage for all of them, yeah, you know,

545
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Speaker 4: they're very specific in the things they like. But I

546
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Speaker 4: could speak to mine personally. When I was young, I

547
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Speaker 4: always had a fascination with the Seven Wonders of the

548
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Speaker 4: ancient world. And we know about we know a lot

549
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Speaker 4: about every single one of them, except for one, which

550
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Speaker 4: is the Hanging Gardens. We have no idea anything about

551
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Speaker 4: the Hanging Gardens. We don't know if it actually existed,

552
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Speaker 4: we don't know exactly where it would have been. We

553
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Speaker 4: don't know if it's sort of like anecdotal, you know,

554
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Speaker 4: sort of evidence of what Babylon looked like, and they

555
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Speaker 4: think some people think that it was Alexander the Great,

556
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Speaker 4: like describing it on his deathbed or something like that,

557
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Speaker 4: and so we don't actually know if it exists. But

558
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Speaker 4: my personal thing, just loving the Seven Wonders is to

559
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Speaker 4: find the seventh one.

560
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Speaker 1: You know, that would be amazing. Okay, so where would

561
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Speaker 1: you even start with.

562
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Speaker 4: That, Well, Babylon, But unfortunately, you know, it's a part

563
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Speaker 4: of the world that right now is really challenging to

564
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Speaker 4: do work in. So yeah, I was recently, well last

565
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Speaker 4: year around this time, I was working with doctor Brad

566
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Speaker 4: Hafford at the Penn Museum. He is a Near East

567
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Speaker 4: archaeologist who's been working there for years, and he was

568
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Speaker 4: telling me a lot about his work in you know,

569
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Speaker 4: like modern day Iraq and Syria and stuff like that,

570
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Speaker 4: and it's just a very challenge part of the world

571
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Speaker 4: to do work in which you're.

572
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Speaker 1: Saying, they're not welcoming a bunch of white people with

573
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Speaker 1: shovels to discup their land.

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Speaker 4: Right now, that's a little hard weird, I know, I know,

575
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Speaker 4: kind of shocking. I can't imagine why, you know, but

576
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Speaker 4: he was telling me about all the kind of checks

577
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Speaker 4: and balances and just how difficult it is to do

578
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Speaker 4: work there, which you know is a large problem that

579
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of scientific communities face. Is just

580
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Speaker 4: you know, geopolitics often gets in the way of scientific development.

581
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Speaker 1: So a lot of what you do too, and how

582
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Speaker 1: our lovely producer Andrew found you was through your YouTube

583
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Speaker 1: videos at many minute man maybe seven seven seven, We're

584
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Speaker 1: not sure, but one of the things you do is

585
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Speaker 1: you find people presenting ideas what are some of the

586
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Speaker 1: craziest things that you have seen, and thought, oh no,

587
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Speaker 1: not on my watch, We're not going to do.

588
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Speaker 4: That, man. Well, well, a lot of what we see,

589
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Speaker 4: I think recently is a sort of modern interpretation of

590
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Speaker 4: a very early nineteenth century archaeological concept called hyper diffusion.

591
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Speaker 4: And hyper diffusion was a idea that all of the

592
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Speaker 4: major civilizations on Earth are descended from one lost master civilization.

593
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Speaker 4: You can see why this was very popular at the

594
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Speaker 4: beginning of nineteen hundreds and so this, you know, can

595
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Speaker 4: go to things like you know, lost continents like Lemuria

596
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Speaker 4: or Tartaria, but more commonly Atlantis, and so Atlantis is

597
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Speaker 4: a very old story, but it's used a lot recently

598
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Speaker 4: to sort of back up the idea that there was

599
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Speaker 4: this lost civilization, and more recently it's sort of, you know,

600
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Speaker 4: been used to back up the idea that it was

601
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Speaker 4: at the end of the Ice Age and that there

602
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Speaker 4: was some major cataclysm at the Ice Age that you know,

603
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Speaker 4: destroyed this civilization and left the rest of the world

604
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Speaker 4: to rise up from the ashes. And there's a litany

605
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Speaker 4: of evidence against that. What is irrefutable is that the

606
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Speaker 4: end of the Ice Age, the Earth was home to

607
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Speaker 4: people that are exactly like you and I. What is

608
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Speaker 4: undeniable is that the end of the last Ice Age

609
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Speaker 4: and the rising of the seas about four hundred feet

610
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Speaker 4: had a massive impact on humanity. What it did not

611
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Speaker 4: do was break down a you know, global civilization that

612
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Speaker 4: spanned the entire world. Pseudoscientists will never bring up is

613
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Speaker 4: the genetic evidence to support their idea that the entire

614
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 4: world was once connected only twelve thousand years ago, because

615
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Speaker 4: there is no genetic evidence for it. If you look, you're.

616
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Speaker 1: Talking about pseudoscientists on TikTok.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair, that's the foretic evidence. Well, the other

618
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Speaker 4: thing is access to it. Yeah, yeah, well that's fair.

619
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Speaker 4: But that's that I mean that that raises another really

620
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Speaker 4: important point is that, like I almost can't blame people

621
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Speaker 4: for falling for pseudoscience because the actual science feels so inaccessible.

622
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Speaker 4: And that's why I, you know, predominantly put myself as

623
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Speaker 4: a science communicator.

624
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Speaker 1: The words aig, the words are really big.

625
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And so it leaves them open to you know,

626
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Speaker 4: if they want to go, you know, smoke a joint

627
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 4: on the couch with their friends. They are going to

628
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Speaker 4: watch Graham Hancock like there's nothing else out there that's

629
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Speaker 4: going to connect with them. So I almost can't blame

630
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Speaker 4: them for listening to him. But you know, to give

631
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 4: kind of the end of my genetic example there, we

632
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 4: can look at archaeological discoveries throughout the entire world. We

633
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Speaker 4: can look at their genomes, and we can look at

634
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Speaker 4: how humanity traveled across the planet. Like we know, you

635
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 4: can literally make a map of how humanity spread across

636
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Speaker 4: the world looking at our genes, which on its own

637
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Speaker 4: is the one piece of evidence that fully refutes any

638
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Speaker 4: hyper diffusion theory, because if that did exist, we would

639
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Speaker 4: find the same genes all over the world. Because that's

640
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Speaker 4: what people do. We reproduce, that's why we're all here,

641
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Speaker 4: and so you would find evidence that in all of

642
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 4: our blood, which you don't find.

643
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Speaker 1: So you do not believe that everybody came from one place.

644
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Speaker 4: Well, if you trace it, if you trace it all

645
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Speaker 4: the way back, you could say that the hyperd diffusion

646
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Speaker 4: came out of Africa, you know, like two million years

647
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Speaker 4: ago or something like that. But as far as like

648
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Speaker 4: a civilization that suddenly just mastered everything and sailed across

649
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Speaker 4: the seas and populated distant lands and.

650
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Speaker 6: Wat know where that came from, didn't happen.

651
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Speaker 1: Ye, yeah, that did not happen. You said something interesting

652
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Speaker 1: a minute ago, though, You said the rising seas really

653
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Speaker 1: had an impact on society, on what was around and

654
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Speaker 1: on the landscape of things, and the sea levels are

655
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Speaker 1: rising again. Correct, Yes, So where does that go? As

656
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: an environmental scientist? What is it that you're seeing?

657
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 4: A scientist? I am absolutely horrified. I the the the

658
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 4: single greatest existential threat that humanity faces is climate change.

659
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Speaker 1: It is not aliens.

660
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 4: I know, it's hard to believe. I wish it was aliens.

661
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 4: That would at least be fun, you know.

662
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 6: Like that narrative right now.

663
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it's really frustrating. Something I haven't talked

664
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 4: a lot about in my channel, but I mean, climate

665
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 4: denihilism is that is at an all time high, and

666
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 4: you know, the unfortunate reality of it is the inability

667
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 4: of people to understand the data does not make the

668
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 4: data any less true. Climate change is happening. Humans are

669
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 4: causing it, and it is the greatest existential threat we've

670
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 4: ever faced. If you look at just a graph of

671
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 4: the temperature on the planet, which we can go farther

672
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: back since before we had thermometers, because we have ice cores,

673
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: we have a lot of scientific ways of actually figuring

674
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 4: these things out. It's not just us, you know, blown

675
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 4: it out our ass. The trend is mortifying. The thing

676
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 4: that I kind of think is it is kind of

677
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 4: interesting to look back in time when our ancestors were

678
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 4: heavily influenced by climate change. That time natural the end

679
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 4: of you know, the ice age, But this time we're

680
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 4: facing something that is much worse because we're actually doing

681
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 4: it and humans have a nasty habit of being pretty

682
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: much indestructible. We are descended from little rats that survived

683
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 4: the metior hitting the Earth when all the dinosaurs died,

684
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 4: killed every single non avian dinosaur, and we somehow came

685
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 4: out on top, which is pretty amazing. We're gonna be okay,

686
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: We're going to make our way out of this. But

687
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 4: the toll that it will take on the planet, unless

688
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 4: we reverse what we're doing or alter what we're doing,

689
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,239
Speaker 4: is going to be unbelievable. And I don't know if

690
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: it's going to be a future that many people are

691
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: going to want to live in. And you know, not

692
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 4: to get too doom around this, I'll try and keep

693
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 4: it light. I'll end there it.

694
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Speaker 6: Stare people out.

695
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what do you think you can do to

696
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: change that? Do you think it's even changeable? Or do

697
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: you think we've gone too far down the road now

698
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Speaker 1: of destroying the planet that it might not be fixable.

699
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Speaker 4: I think that maybe this is me kind of viewing

700
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Speaker 4: it from the lens where I work, right I do

701
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: science communication. I think that the biggest challenge is going

702
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: to be actually getting the public on board with it,

703
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: because right now there is so much lobbying from oil

704
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 4: companies that are intentionally spreading disinformation that is responsible for

705
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 4: all of the climate denihalism. People who name them.

706
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Speaker 1: What are the companies?

707
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't want to get shot. They'll find me.

708
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 4: They'll find me right outside.

709
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to Google and I will name this later.

710
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 4: I mean literally, just like you know, this is another

711
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: I think, really important thing. When we talk about conspiracy theories.

712
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 4: There's so many of these accounts that talk about how

713
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: they're like, we know the truth, and this is what

714
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 4: the governments hiding from us. This is this is the

715
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 4: other thing.

716
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: I love it because there's always someone in their mom's

717
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: basement being crazy.

718
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 4: It's a big goalp And I'm like, you really think

719
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Speaker 4: that the thing the government is hiding from us is

720
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 4: you know, like that the giants used to walk the

721
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 4: earth and the Smithsonian destroyed skeletons in this, that and

722
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 4: the other thing. Well they like we have plastic in

723
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: our blood. Like look around you. The conspiracies are right

724
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: in front of your faces. Like major news organizations being

725
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 4: owned and supported by oil lobbyists, Like politics and business

726
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: are so heavily tied that like we are being like

727
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 4: force fed misinformation. So I almost can't blame people for

728
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: being climate denialists. A because it's absolutely terrifying and B

729
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 4: because you have major news organizations that are being paid

730
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Speaker 4: by companies that are incentivized to not allow climate change

731
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Speaker 4: policy to be passed, you know, feeding them what they

732
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Speaker 4: should believe. It's less of a matter of can we

733
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Speaker 4: alter course now, it's more of a matter of are

734
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: we all going to band together for the first time

735
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Speaker 4: ever as a human race and save the fucking world?

736
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Speaker 4: Because we can't do that. Like, this is the very

737
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Speaker 4: first thing that all of humanity has to worry about.

738
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Speaker 4: Even look back in time of like plagues and things

739
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: like that, they were localized. Yeah, they spread and it's dangerous,

740
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: but like every single human on the planet is going

741
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: to be affected by this, and if we don't put

742
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: on our big boy pants, were fucked.

743
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Speaker 1: But there's also an argument that the plagues and all

744
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Speaker 1: of these things come from environmental changes they do.

745
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Speaker 4: That's a very good point. I mean, we just saw

746
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 4: that we just lived through a pandemic, and normally they

747
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: say it's you know, once every hundred years or something

748
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 4: like that. I wouldn't be surprised if all of us

749
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Speaker 4: in this room will live through another one in our lifetime.

750
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Speaker 4: We have, like your tongue, Yeah, I know, horrifying. I

751
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: wish like I almost don't want to jinx it likeno

752
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: on something I'm going, you know, and it's it's it's

753
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Speaker 4: really I don't know, it's just frightening. I don't want

754
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Speaker 4: to live through another one anymore than anyone else does.

755
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 4: But we don't seem to ever really learn our lesson.

756
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: We sort of just keep plowing ahead. We're like, wow,

757
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 4: that was bad anyway, and then we just keep doing it.

758
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Speaker 6: You know, it doesn't happen again.

759
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Speaker 1: There's nothing I can do about it exactly, looking around

760
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: and seeing what's happening as far as rising sea levels.

761
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Speaker 1: Which area of the world is in most danger right

762
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: now because the king tides in Miami are wild those

763
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: things are coming in hot. But I don't have access

764
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Speaker 1: to the rest of the information around the world, but

765
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: you might, yeah, yeah, what's in danger?

766
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think that even without having access

767
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: to the specific information, all of you would be correct

768
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 4: in guessing that, you know, it's the lowest lying places.

769
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Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought up Florida. Actually, a kind of

770
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: fun fact I learned the other day is the highest

771
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: point in Florida is three hundred feet above sea level,

772
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Speaker 4: and it's like the very top left corner of the

773
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Speaker 4: state where it's like it's practically in like I don't know,

774
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: it's not like Georgia. I can't remember, but either way,

775
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: it's like way up there the sea level. I'm pretty

776
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: sure that if all the ice oh I'm not even

777
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: gonna speak on I don't remember exactly what the level is,

778
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: that the seas will rise of all the ice melts.

779
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 4: But Florida's gone gone, Like Atlantis, they're going, okay, you know,

780
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 4: can you imagine.

781
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: What those fossils will look like Florida?

782
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Speaker 6: Man, oh my.

783
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 4: God, oh horrifying, you know, but a lot of low

784
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Speaker 4: lying areas, I mean my home city of Boston. I

785
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 4: now live in Vermont, but I was looking at some

786
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 4: stuff on you know, Instagram. My dad sent me a

787
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: thing in like the seaport district. There was just a

788
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: really big tide and like by the EU there's just

789
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: like the benches are in the water and like there's

790
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 4: like a sea wall there and it's like up in

791
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: the It's crazy. Our airport was built on reclaimed land,

792
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: which I think is a hilarious idea, Like you never

793
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 4: owned the ocean in the first place, you just fill

794
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 4: that in greatest. Yeah, yeah, I get out of here,

795
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: and so that that's you know, pretty much at sea level.

796
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 4: Like what are you gonna do when the airport goes underwater?

797
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: Like that's kind of a problem, you know.

798
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Speaker 1: I So when I was living in Boston, there was

799
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: a giant snowstorm and ice storm, and it actually brought

800
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Speaker 1: flowing ice into the seaport district And it was crazy.

801
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: Was this This was two thousand and seventeen in December.

802
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: Oh, I think I have vague memories.

803
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 6: It was wild.

804
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy, and I just thought, oh my god,

805
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: we are going to be washed away.

806
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

807
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: New York's on the water, Boston's on the water. DC's

808
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: on the water.

809
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 6: Yeah.

810
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: Would it not make sense to move some of the big,

811
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: big cities and the big important things inside well into the.

812
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 4: That's really that's a really good question. When you think

813
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: about states that are going to be impacted the most

814
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: by climate change, you think of the coastal ones. And

815
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Speaker 4: I even just said that, but I I want to

816
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: take this a little bit farther and move out of

817
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 4: sort of the sea level rise narrative, because a lot

818
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 4: of people will view climate change like the ice is melting,

819
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 4: the sea is rising, which, yes, that's a very big

820
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 4: part of it. But both tornadoes and hurricane exactly just

821
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Speaker 4: like you said, the weather. The weather is a really

822
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: big part of it. So take for example, Vermont. Vermont

823
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: is a landlocked state, but they are actually thinking about

824
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Speaker 4: moving their capital of Montpillier because in this most recent summer,

825
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 4: as many of you probably heard on the news, they

826
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Speaker 4: were hit with colossal floods. They were hit with like

827
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Speaker 4: massive rainstorms. It's a very mountainous area, it to the

828
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Speaker 4: Green Mountains, and so all that water just runs down

829
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 4: these mountain sides into these channels and creates like the

830
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 4: most roaring water I've ever seen in New England. And

831
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Speaker 4: because of that, the whole capital city of Montpellier was

832
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: really badly flooded, like the whole downtown district along the river.

833
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 4: So there's actually been a proposition, I'm not sure where

834
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 4: it's at right now, but I was reading about it

835
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: a few months ago of trying to move all the

836
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 4: administration of Montpillier uphill to sort of a different area

837
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Speaker 4: and get that out of the danger zone of that river,

838
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 4: even though they're not living on the coast. So that's

839
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Speaker 4: really the big part is like this is gonna affect

840
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 4: everyone you don't have to live on the coast like

841
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 4: it's coming for you.

842
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: It's already affecting us here. Yeah, you know what happens

843
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: when these streets flood.

844
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 4: It's I know. I was like, I was living in

845
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: Boston at the time. But my friend that I'm in

846
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 4: town with here, he's lived in New Jersey forever, and

847
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: he was just telling me about the effect that Hurricane

848
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 4: Sandy had on New York. That was insane, and like

849
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 4: it's gonna keep happening, Like we are gonna keep getting

850
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 4: stronger and stronger storms, and like we're gonna just sit

851
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 4: here and just get wet.

852
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: I guess you know, nature always wins, right.

853
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 4: I know it is. It's it's the one the one truth.

854
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 4: You know, every ancient civilization that you find the ruins

855
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 4: of they're in ruins, you know. But nature she's she's

856
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 4: doing fine.

857
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: You know, she's doing just whine. She's always gonna win.

858
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: We love that. Diamond. Hold on, let me turn this microphone.

859
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: Uh oh, you're back on the spot.

860
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: Diamond and Andrew, the two of you, after listening through

861
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: all of this and sitting through all this, do you

862
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: guys have any questions for him?

863
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 3: I think you answered all of mine earlier.

864
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 4: I'm so glad.

865
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: Do you believe in dinosaurs anymore now than you did before?

866
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit?

867
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 6: You don't have to say that, You're not to say that.

868
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm not wine. I encourage you to get

869
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 4: more information than just this to change your mind on

870
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 4: something like that.

871
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 5: No, it's the fact that we're having a conversation about

872
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 5: it exactly whereas before I was just called stupid and

873
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, how do you expect me but to

874
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 5: believe it if you're not.

875
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 4: Giving me in me, I'm glad you actually brought that up.

876
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: I know we're ending here, but I want to interduct

877
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 4: single second here. You know, in a lot of my content,

878
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 4: like my shtick that I do, especially in short form,

879
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: is just like I'm just a fucking hater. Like I'll

880
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: just be like, oh this thing, and.

881
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you're calling people stupid exactly.

882
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like, I'm glad you brought that up because

883
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 4: this is something that I really am trying to kind

884
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 4: of talk about in longer form content where you know,

885
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 4: I have to do that because that is unfortunately what

886
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: gets like views. People love a good like cat fight,

887
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: So people are like okay, like you know, see this

888
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 4: guy be a bastard, But like I don't find that

889
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: like fulfilling. I'm like taking the piss doing it. I'm like, okay,

890
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: I can do this all day. Like these are so easy,

891
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 4: just give it to me. And that's why I've tried

892
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 4: to branch out and do stuff on like YouTube and

893
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 4: like you know, science communication on a broader level than

894
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 4: just being like an influencer. Like I really do abhorror

895
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 4: that term because I like to think that I'm doing

896
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: something a little bit broader than that. And so like

897
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 4: I think it's really important to have these conversations where

898
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: it's like nobody is stupid. We all just have like

899
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 4: differing information, and it's our job to you know, inform

900
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 4: one another. It's our job to ask those questions when

901
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 4: you know, push comes to shove and it's like we

902
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 4: sit down in a room and talk together. Nobody's stupid.

903
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 4: So you know, I.

904
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: Have met stupid people. I have been in a room

905
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: with them and had conversations. I think it's very big

906
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: of you to say there are no stupid questions. I

907
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: do think it's really important to ask questions totally. Yeah,

908
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: but there are definitely stupid people. Diamond is not one of.

909
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: Them, exactly, exactly for the sake of this conversation.

910
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: There are some idiots out there, and I'm sure they're

911
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: going to leave comments talking about how all of this

912
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: is politicized and I am pushing an agenda because I'm

913
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: trying to save the earth like a bighead.

914
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: You can't talk about climate change without someone and that's

915
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: what I mean about the You know, I'm not even

916
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: going to get into it again. Okay to ask a question.

917
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: Oh we got another question.

918
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: We have a question from Andrew.

919
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: No if you talked religion at all.

920
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: Brief at the beginning.

921
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: Okay, Tommy, what do you got?

922
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: I was just gonna ask religious artifacts when people are

923
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: convinced that like this is this is holy, but then

924
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: they also say it existed at the same time as

925
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 2: like dinosaurs and stuff. I'm just confused, like timeline wise,

926
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: like where that's coming from you and me both? But

927
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: I guess my question is like, say the flood, right, yes,

928
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 2: Noah's arc that flood, Where in your opinion, timeline wise,

929
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: did that happen? And also when they have like people

930
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: in the Bible that lived hundreds of years, how does

931
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: it history kind of write itself different biblically than actual reality.

932
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: Well that's wow, that is a broad question. Yeah, I

933
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: really like that. I mean, there's people archaeologists in the

934
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: field of biblical archaeology, and they are amazing. They are

935
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 4: very knowledgeable and exactly those questions. So I will do

936
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: my best to sort of answer that. I've covered a

937
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 4: lot of kind of what you're touching on is Young

938
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 4: Earth creationism, which is, you know, the idea that the

939
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 4: Earth is around six thousand years old and that you know,

940
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 4: maybe we co existed with dinosaurs and stuff like that.

941
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna be totally honest, I've covered a lot

942
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 4: of Young Earth creationist content and I have absolutely no

943
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 4: idea what the narrative is, Like I really don't. I

944
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: don't know, like where did dinosaurs come from? When did

945
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 4: they die out? What is it?

946
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: Like?

947
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 4: Where does the flood fit into it? Like there is

948
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 4: such a like disconnect between how their timeline works that

949
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 4: I genuinely do not understand it. So that is an

950
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: awesome question that I don't think I can actually answer.

951
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 6: It's like when a.

952
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: Little kid draws a picture and somehow like they're the

953
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: same size as the tree and the house. Yeah, yeah,

954
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: we just accept it.

955
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, if you say it, I guess I believe it.

956
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, No, that's a good question, Andrew, because I

957
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: wonder that stuff all the time. I mean, you actually

958
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: had a video that I watched talking about what was

959
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: called the enigmatic handbag. Was it something like that? Yeah, yeah,

960
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: where people were noticing what looked like a little purse

961
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: or even maybe a lock in some respect, and a

962
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: lot of ancient what like like hieroglyphics, right, and a

963
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: lot of carvings, and everybody was convinced that it was

964
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: this purse that people carried around that was, in your opinion.

965
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 6: Not the case.

966
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 4: Yes, And you know, I had someone ask me on

967
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: that question. They're like, Milo, like, why didn't you actually

968
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 4: debunk it? I'm like, what is there to debunk? Like

969
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 4: the idea is these carvings sort of look the same

970
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 4: and therefore aliens, there's no through line, Like it doesn't

971
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 4: even make sense, and so, like, you know, things like.

972
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: That, were going to start presenting arguments like.

973
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 4: That, like you can't just say a thing and then

974
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: another thing and be like, yes, I need a little

975
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 4: more than that.

976
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, maybe this is my last question I could

977
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: keep going, I swear so on the topic of aliens,

978
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: when you have been looking around and traveling the world

979
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: and checking out these different like digs and excavation sites,

980
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: have you found anything that people just cannot figure out

981
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: where it came from and just maybe it is not

982
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: of this world?

983
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 4: Ooh ooh, I do have one, okay, so oh yeah.

984
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: Recently I was in Peru doing some work in the

985
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: Sacred Valley, and while I was there, we visited this

986
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 4: like remote mountain village and the elder of the village

987
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: has a couple like you know, things that are his

988
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 4: like personal you know, accoutrements. He has like a staff,

989
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: and then he also has a conch shell, one of

990
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 4: those big ones that you know you see people blow into.

991
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 4: And the conch shell comes from way down in the

992
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 4: valley by Lima. So it's from one of the other

993
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: genous groups down there, and it was taken from the

994
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 4: sea and gifted to this group that lives way in

995
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 4: the mountains where at like sixteen thousand feet. Like I

996
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 4: couldn't breathe. These people were running around, you know, they're

997
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 4: used to it, but I was like, okay, I help me,

998
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 4: you know, And so I'm talking to this man and

999
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: he hands reaches out the shell to me and I

1000
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 4: take it and it's heavy and it's alive. It is

1001
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 4: a marine organism that has lived for probably upwards of

1002
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: fifty years in the mountains. The spines of it have

1003
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: broken off and they've healed, like they've grown back a

1004
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: conch shell like. Granted I didn't do like an X

1005
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: ray on it. I don't know. Maybe it's like mammified.

1006
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 4: I couldn't even tell you, but like it had the

1007
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 4: weight of a living organism in it, and it had healed.

1008
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: The physical spines of it had healed. And I am

1009
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 4: a very science oriented person. I was standing there holding

1010
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: this thing in my hands and I was like, I

1011
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 4: have no fucking idea what is going on here? And

1012
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 4: that has been like in my head since. I'm like,

1013
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 4: there is some magic going on with this that I

1014
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 4: cannot explain.

1015
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: What was the city in case I want to go?

1016
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 4: Patakanca? Okay, it's a little village. It's if you like

1017
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 4: really twisty roads and feeling like you're gonna fall to

1018
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: your death down a cliff at any second, enjoy that. Yeah, okay,

1019
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: well it's the place for you.

1020
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: Awesome. Oh, we love you, and thank you so much

1021
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: for stopping by and spending so much time with me.

1022
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: This has been very informative and wonderful. You're amazing. I

1023
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: really appreciate it.

1024
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. I appreciate you guys having me here.

1025
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me on.

1026
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 4: This is an honor. And uh, you know, follow me

1027
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 4: on YouTube Mini minute.

1028
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: Man, Many minute Man on YouTube.

1029
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 4: Milo Rossi, you can find me there. I'm trying to

1030
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 4: go away from many minute Man more Malo Rossi. You

1031
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: feel like it's a little better branding.

1032
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Many minute Man. Maybe in the future could get

1033
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: you caught up in some other nonsense.

1034
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 4: I know, I know I've heard about that. Yeah. Yeah,

1035
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 4: we'll stick with Milo Rossi for now. Thank you for

1036
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: having Thank you.

1037
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get to the burn book. Because this

1038
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: burn book, I think Andrew was upset about it as

1039
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: well as me.

1040
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I was more shocked by your response.

1041
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: Oh were you Yes, you didn't expect that from me?

1042
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: Well, you said you were going to do it, and

1043
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: then it was like and did and then I saw

1044
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: the response and I was like, like I almost fell

1045
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: off my chair.

1046
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 4: I was shocked.

1047
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: I have a new reply to people who upset me. So,

1048
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: first of all, Billy McFarlane, you're getting burned. Billy McFarland,

1049
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: if you don't know, he was the genius behind Firefest.

1050
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: We remember Firefest right where the one guy was going

1051
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: to go suck some dick for water because it was

1052
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: so so crazy everything that was going on. Do you

1053
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: remember that?

1054
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 5: Not that not that par I didn't watch the dock,

1055
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 5: but I knew all about it, Like I knew what

1056
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 5: was going on. See I watch enough crappy TV and

1057
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 5: crappy like you know, circumstances on my Real Housewives that

1058
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 5: I don't have time for things that are actually crappy

1059
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 5: in real real life that happened to people.

1060
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: So okay, okay. This was a good one though, because

1061
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: it really shows the power of or at least not

1062
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: the power of. It really shows how quickly influencers will

1063
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: just jump on a bandwagon for no reason with no

1064
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: evidence or research, and why you should never trust influencers,

1065
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: which we've known for a while anyway, So Firefest, we

1066
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: know it was a shit show. It was a dumpster fire.

1067
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: All of the things that was terrible. He got in trouble.

1068
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: He would do jail for all of the stuff that

1069
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: happened with Firefest. Fast forward, he's out now and he

1070
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: thinks he's gonna throw a Firefest too, and he's really

1071
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: trying to make this little comeback, which is bizarre. So

1072
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, this would be great. Let's talk to

1073
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: him because we could have some fun with that. So

1074
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: I reached out on Instagram directly to Billy McFarlane's page.

1075
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: I got a response that said, absolutely, I would love

1076
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: to do this. Email me here, Andrew sends the email.

1077
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: Suddenly some guy is copied in on it. Who was it?

1078
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: Oh me, no, omar, I don't know.

1079
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: Okay, someone gets copied in on this email and we're like, oh,

1080
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: who's this guy? This guy is his very stupid manager

1081
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: or marketing person who hit us with the gem of

1082
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: Billy would love to do your podcast. His typical fee

1083
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: for radio is five thousand dollars an hour.

1084
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 2: It is crazy an hour, not like total five thousand

1085
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 2: dollars for an hour of his time.

1086
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: So immediately I just slammed my laptop shut and I'm like,

1087
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: this is probably the stupid thing I've ever seen. And

1088
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: then I thought, now I'm not gonna let people get

1089
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: away with this anymore. And I think there's a very

1090
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: simple response that conveys a lot. So I just wrote back,

1091
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: and I told Andrew I was gonna do it. I said,

1092
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: please let me respond to this. I'm just gonna write

1093
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: lawl and that is my new response to anything that

1094
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: upsets me. Ever again, I'm just gonna lull at you.

1095
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Did you get a response from that?

1096
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: No, of course not. What are you gonna say? What

1097
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: are you laughing at? You know what I'm laughing at?

1098
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: How dare you laugh why? You know why I'm laughing?

1099
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: You're right, you could do that just lol.

1100
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I lalled at old Corin Stuffan's superhead.

1101
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 7: Ye.

1102
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: I just wrote back, law very weird.

1103
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: I feel like your bird book is just people who

1104
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: are doing ridiculous things, either not coming on the podcast

1105
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: or charging you to be on the podcast.

1106
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: You're right, this is very selfish.

1107
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: No, I'm here for it. Let them burn.

1108
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1109
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: Last episode, Diamond and I actually lit people up on

1110
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: like the Greater Good of Society. We were talking about

1111
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: how horrible it is when people don't wear headphones and

1112
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: decide that they want to watch whatever they're watching. On

1113
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: their iPad or their phone. That's horrible.

1114
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that kid. I'm still thinking about your kid.

1115
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 5: Don't know your name, but I'm still thinking about you.

1116
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: So, Billy McFarlane, you've been burned. That's my flame. Sound wow,

1117
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: I love book. You have a permanent place fucker. Okay, Andrew,

1118
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: do you have an ask me anything I do?

1119
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: Amanda Kozar asks what's your favorite snack?

1120
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 6: I like that.

1121
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: Of all the things, that's what we're gonna I thought

1122
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: these were gonna be like deep and good. Oh it's

1123
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: my favorite snack.

1124
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: See it is?

1125
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: It is?

1126
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean I like all snacks.

1127
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 8: You know me.

1128
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm a snack person. If there's something to munch on,

1129
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing it.

1130
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: That sounded dirty, Yeah it kind of did, but I

1131
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 3: liked it.

1132
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: I meant snack wise, I would have to say I'm

1133
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: a sucker for Chex Mix.

1134
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 3: Oh come on, I love it.

1135
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you.

1136
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: Thank you, Andrew. From Afar.

1137
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 2: On United, they now give you a little snack bag

1138
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: that is basically checks Mix. I forgot how good it was.

1139
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: The bagel chips, the pretzels, the weird cracker thing that's

1140
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: just like a bland cracker I'm confused by it, but

1141
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 2: it's also good and if you throw some cheesy parts

1142
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 2: in there too, like.

1143
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: What so, did you know there's a cheddar checks mix

1144
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: that has a cheese mix in there. There's Bold that's

1145
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: my favorite one, the Bold, but also just regular checklis

1146
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: Man here for it.

1147
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, you have got to step up your paletts honestly.

1148
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: Oh really's your diamonds? Its super exotic? What is it?

1149
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 6: I'm allergic to most things, so if he's.

1150
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 5: Gluten free, I like old Babe gluten free chips.

1151
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: But then I also eat olive oil chips.

1152
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: From the local jelly, which goes against my gluten allergy.

1153
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 6: But whatever.

1154
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: Okay, is that how you feel? I say with your chest?

1155
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: I like siete is it? Cassava chips?

1156
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 6: Oh?

1157
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 3: Ten out of ten with a lime on them?

1158
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 4: I love it?

1159
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 6: I love it?

1160
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 3: Or nothing could beat a good green grape okay?

1161
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: Nothing you do eat green grapes in the morning?

1162
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 5: Yep?

1163
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: You have that often? Okay, Yeah, let's hear about you, loser, Andrew.

1164
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: I like the jipeno chips from uh what's the one?

1165
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: I love those? I think that's my favorite snack. It's spicy,

1166
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: it's delicious. You can't go wrong. Asshole burns afterwards, but

1167
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 2: I have to put.

1168
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: That in your assholes from jalapeno chips.

1169
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: I'm just saying spicy things are not good for me personally.

1170
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: My Chicken bindoaloo incident.

1171
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: Is not great to talk about the chicken.

1172
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: I ate chicken Vndulu. The next day was the Casey

1173
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: Musk Graves concert. I was with my best friend Miranda.

1174
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: The two of us are at the concert. May have

1175
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: had an edible, and I feel like on an edible,

1176
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: you just become very aware of where you are in

1177
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: your body. And all of a sudden, I was like, huh,

1178
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 2: gastro intestinal distress and not great. And the concert did

1179
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 2: not start yet, and I'm literally like, oh God, oh God,

1180
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put my pants in Madison Square card in

1181
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: this most embarrassing thing in my life. Luckily, power Through

1182
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 2: made it through the whole show. But then afterwards, I

1183
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: was with my friend and we're like, Okay, what are

1184
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: we doing? Where are we going out? I'm like, I

1185
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: cannot go out. I cannot go out.

1186
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1187
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm literally gonna die if I like we walked into

1188
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: the path. It's at twenty minutes, I go, I'm gonna

1189
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: shit my pants, Like I cannot take the path train

1190
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: right now. I'm so sorry we got outside. I called

1191
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: an uber. The uber dropped me off at the old

1192
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: studio because I was like, I will not make it

1193
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: home and I'm so sorry.

1194
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 4: I need to like go now.

1195
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: It dropped me off at the old studio and it

1196
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: wasn't great. It wasn't a great day for me. So

1197
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: chicken Mindalu repeated the next day.

1198
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 4: Okay, not happy.

1199
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: I argue this one. It definitely could have been the

1200
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: chicken Vndalu because it is spicy and there's oil and

1201
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: like gee and all kinds of stuff in there. But

1202
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times these edibles, like even with shrooms,

1203
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: they make you have to shit your pants. Yeah, it

1204
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: was that's a part of it.

1205
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: Well, I learned my lesson and I will not be

1206
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: doing it for any of the Casey munscrape shows I'm

1207
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: coming to this year.

1208
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: I love that for you.

1209
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't believe you held it the entire show.

1210
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: I can't race a God.

1211
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 4: I was just like focus Andrew.

1212
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: Focus.

1213
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: Was it one of those things where like if I move,

1214
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: it's coming out.

1215
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: The pain I felt was immeasurable. I cannot explain. It's

1216
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: just the cramps. It was like one of those where

1217
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: you're just like.

1218
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: I think one of my favorite things is that, like

1219
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: you don't realize how intense your thoughts are about it

1220
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: until that moment comes and you're like, I'm thinking of

1221
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: nothing else, nothing else matters in the world right now.

1222
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: Dear God, just let me get through this because I

1223
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: cannot ship myself in public. It happened to me in Thailand.

1224
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: We were there yourself. No I thought I was going

1225
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: to We may or may not have eating a bunch

1226
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: of mushrooms, and that's that's that happens. Sometimes people throw up.

1227
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to like crap, whatever it is.

1228
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 2: It is like you are eating like a tainted mushroom,

1229
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: like it's going to cause you absolute.

1230
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: It's like fermented and fungified whatever it is. It Yeah, yeah,

1231
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: we're having a great time. I'm like in paradise. This

1232
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 1: boat is rocking, it's wonderful. And then all of a sudden,

1233
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, oh, no, no, thankfully we

1234
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: had pulled up to this island. But it's not like

1235
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: there were just bathrooms all around, but there were a

1236
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: few boats. So I said, please, God, tell me that

1237
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: there is a restroom somewhere. They're like, yeah, you just

1238
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: got to walk through those trees. There's this public bathroom

1239
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: over there. When I tell you, the walk was probably

1240
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: half a mile. It was awful. You also had to

1241
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: walk through this like temple area. Mind you, I have

1242
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: on a bikini top and I'm like scurrying through a

1243
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: temple ready to ship myself. Went into the bathroom. Oh

1244
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: my god. And the worst part getting off the little

1245
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: boat that we were on. A wave came top of

1246
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: my bathing suit, flipped right up, boots everywhere.

1247
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah wow.

1248
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: And here's my boyfriend and my friend's on the boat.

1249
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: They're like, nice titday. No, couldn't get worse too, But

1250
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: I made it so it wasn't so bad.

1251
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: You should have done an aquedumpt.

1252
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: Excuse me, you know exactly.

1253
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no, we got to cut.

1254
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 4: You don't have to talk to either Michelle.

1255
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: We're talking about this. Either of them were on Survivor.

1256
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: They said, like people, when you're on Survivor, you aquaedump.

1257
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: So you just go in the water, and you have

1258
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: to make sure you go out far enough so this way,

1259
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: the wave doesn't carry in the food, but you would

1260
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: just like float and then you just do your business.

1261
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds like the dirtiest. Also, i'd be very

1262
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: nervous that something would come up come up on me

1263
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: while we were doing that. And also, I mean, I

1264
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 1: know they're not eating in the ocean, and everything else

1265
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: craps in the ocean, so I guess it's not really

1266
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: that weird, but I feel like you can't shit that

1267
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: close to where you eat.

1268
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: Literally, so you swim again, as it's been explained to me,

1269
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: you swim out a little bit, and then you just

1270
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: are floating. And if someone's just like out there floating,

1271
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 2: you're like, ah, they're doing the thing. Or they dig holes.

1272
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: But the problem is they film at the same location

1273
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: now for like all the seasons, so you can if

1274
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: you're back on the island or it's a new season

1275
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 2: and you're on that island, can actually find the poop holes.

1276
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: We're going okay, all right, okay, Oh.

1277
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: Diamond's gonna call it. Diamond's calling it. She doesn't want

1278
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: to talk about the poop anymore.

1279
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna go shit tot and a toilet in

1280
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 8: a toilet by the way here, I can't I know,

1281
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 8: I can't say who it is, but there is a

1282
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 8: mad shitter in this building.

1283
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Oh Diamond somehow has encountered multiple times.

1284
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 5: She needs to be burned. Can we burn her the

1285
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 5: next episode? Can I burn her right now?

1286
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: Burner? Wait, let's save it for the next episode. It's

1287
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: gonna be a good burn. Absolutely, absolutely yeah. By the way,

1288
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: I went to the bathroom today to pee and I

1289
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: encountered it. Said, oh my god, and then she tried

1290
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: to speak to me. On my way out, I was like,

1291
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: I can't.

1292
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 6: I can't.

1293
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 7: I know.

1294
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 3: Shame, No, shame, I know, shame.

1295
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: Wait for the next episode.

1296
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 6: Okay.

1297
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: And on that note, we're out. If you want to like,

1298
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Speaker 1: follow and subscribe, I would love that. Uh Sauce on

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Speaker 1: the side with Gandhi anywhere you get your podcasts, preferably

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Speaker 1: iHeart but Apple, Spotify all that stuff at Baby Hot Sauce.

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Speaker 1: If you can find me on Instagram, still living through

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Speaker 1: a shadow band and Andrew and Diamond where can they

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Speaker 1: find you, guys?

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Speaker 2: Andrew go at Andrew Pug on Instagram and.

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Speaker 3: Diamond at diamond Sincera on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: All right, come find us and if you have questions

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Speaker 1: or you want to hit us with an ask me anything,

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Speaker 1: because apparently a snap question can lead to talks about

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Speaker 1: where you nearly crapped yourself. Hit us. We would love

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Speaker 1: to know and we'll see you next time. Say bye bye,