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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson, and it is a beautiful Friday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: And well, Matt, one week from today, we will know

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Speaker 2: who the Steelers took in the first round of the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three NFL Draft, and we'll be looking at

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Speaker 2: who they're going to take at number thirty two. And

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to point out to everybody to be.

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Speaker 1: On the clock.

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Speaker 2: How much fun is that going to be? How much

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Speaker 2: fun is that talking about that one all day long?

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Speaker 2: Right right? You know, for basically twenty four hours almost.

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Speaker 2: You know. I did a little process today in my

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Speaker 2: five for Friday on Steelers dot Com, and I looked

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Speaker 2: at the number of players drafted in the first round

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Speaker 2: who went to the who have gone to the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame, and the number of players drafted after that

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Speaker 2: who have gone to the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, Matt, you just Steelers, I assume.

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Speaker 2: Not just Steelers. I'm talking about the world. Okay, yeah, wow,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seven players in the history of the

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Speaker 2: NFL have been first round draft picks who have gone

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Speaker 2: to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Okay, players drafted

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Speaker 2: after round one, you know how many have gone to

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say pretty close to this.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go about one hundred, one hundred and seven.

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Speaker 1: Wow, it's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: How about that? That does? And that also doesn't include

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Speaker 2: twenty two undrafted players who have gone to the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame, which also includes Donnie Shaw and Jack Butler,

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Speaker 2: a couple of Steelers. So there's actually more players in

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Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame who were drafted after

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Speaker 2: the first round where were undrafted than we're drafted in

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Speaker 2: the first round.

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Speaker 1: Wow? And that undrafted things note were too, because I

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Speaker 1: mean there were years where.

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Speaker 2: There were for a long time, they were you're talking

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Speaker 2: thirty thirty rounds in a draft, right right.

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Speaker 1: Right, And you know what I'm saying, You're thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: thirty two this year is really the equivalent of a

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Speaker 1: first round or most years, But in the history of

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Speaker 1: the league, they didn't always have thirty two teams, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. You know, it's a little bit relative.

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Speaker 2: No, obviously, the hit rate for those guys in the

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Speaker 2: first round is much better, you know, percentage percentage wise,

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Speaker 2: it's it's higher. But everybody always did you know this

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Speaker 2: time of year, who who's this team taking in the

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Speaker 2: first round? Who's that team taking in the first round?

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Speaker 2: I pointed out as well in my five for Friday,

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Speaker 2: if you look back at like the twenty thirteen NFL Draft,

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Speaker 2: in the first round, the Steelers take Jarvis Jones at seventeen,

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Speaker 2: which is the same pick that they have this year,

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Speaker 2: which is why I use That's why I used that

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Speaker 2: draft in particular. Nobody questioned them taking Jarvis Jones at

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Speaker 2: that time. No, no, that's where he was supposed to go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he had twenty nine or twenty eight sacks

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Speaker 1: I question the Raiders they took JaMarcus Russell first.

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Speaker 2: Overall, Right, the questions for the Steelers in that draft

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Speaker 2: came in the second round when it picked fifty, which

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Speaker 2: is one pick after where they're picking this year, because

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Speaker 2: the Dolphins on the first round pick, but it picked fifty,

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Speaker 2: they made Leveon Bell, They took levy on Bell instead

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Speaker 2: of Eddie Lacy. Everybody was killed for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, how can you leave the best? I

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Speaker 1: think Lacey wait, geo Geo Bernard was the first back

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Speaker 1: off the board that year. Yeah, almost everyone thought it

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Speaker 1: would be Lacey. And people didn't have that big of

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Speaker 2: He was a scatback.

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Speaker 1: He was a little different. But I remember the Steelers

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Speaker 1: catching hell, how on earth could you take Bell instead

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Speaker 2: And then Lacey went out and one offensive rookie of

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Speaker 2: the year that year. Yeah, he did start, say, and

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Speaker 2: people were still killing the Steelers for taking Le'Veon Bell

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Speaker 2: two years later. If the Green Bay Packers had come

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Speaker 2: the Steelers would have said, no, no question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was first or second pick in every

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Speaker 1: fantasy draft. You know, probably a stint there where he

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Speaker 2: So I mean something like that, had a five year

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Speaker 1: No question, no question, especially to do it all capabilities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, catching the football, blocking, I mean he did.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've talked about the thousand times where he

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Speaker 2: was just a guy you never wanted to take off

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Speaker 1: I've said this often because I was often critical of

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff from afar from my lazy boy from

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Speaker 1: the press box. Whatever, boy, you can't beat this guy

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Speaker 1: up the way you do. You know, these getting too

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Speaker 1: many touches. But I quickly came off that stance and

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Speaker 1: started looking through their eyes. What situation do you not

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Speaker 1: want them out there? Maybe if you're winning by twenty

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Speaker 1: and you can arrest them, great, but that's not really

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Speaker 1: how the league works. I want him out there in

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Speaker 1: third and long, or him out there in third and short,

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Speaker 1: Because he was the best guy at everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he could grind the clock at the

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Speaker 2: did everything really well. And you know, within three seasons,

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Speaker 2: Eddie Lacy was basically out of the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember there were some tow issues with Lacey,

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Speaker 1: but really it was weight. And I mean he would

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: He was a pounder, a plotter, and he was good

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Speaker 1: at it. I mean, I'm about taking anything away from

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Speaker 1: him and all on all the Packers got enough out

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Speaker 1: of their Lacey pick, but Bell was way better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, you just don't know. Everybody likes

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Speaker 2: Well SO and so had him as a third round guy.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean they were right.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't. And a lot of it also, especially with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Like I like the brag I had. Mahomes and Lamar

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Speaker 1: there's some of that, and then I think people know

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Speaker 1: by now. I have all the respect in the world

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Speaker 1: for Mel and Todd and DJ and all these draftnecks

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Speaker 1: that do at year round. But what I find really

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Speaker 1: interesting about the draft, especially like this time of year,

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Speaker 1: is all of us, including myself, including you, almost all

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Speaker 1: of our listeners, get all of our draft information really

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Speaker 1: from like six people, and then the schefters start getting involved,

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Speaker 1: and the real reporters start getting involved, and you start

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Speaker 1: here in these crazy things this week. Because with all

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: They don't get real scooped from inside the buildings like

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Speaker 1: a weird process from where we sit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I distinctly recall before the Steelers took Terrel Edmonds

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Speaker 2: that I can't remember if it was Schefter or Rapaport,

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Speaker 2: it was one of those two guys reported that there

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Speaker 2: some first round buzz on Terrell Edmonds. Okay, and I

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Speaker 2: I mean I looked at that. I looked at it,

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Speaker 2: and I said, there's no way. I just didn't. I

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Speaker 2: didn't see it. And then you started looking at his like, okay,

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Speaker 2: he missed. You know, he played her his senior year.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, you can excuse his senior year away. A

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Speaker 1: lot of guys would not have played that year. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: His athleticism is crazy, you know. I mean he was

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Speaker 2: tweet was already out there that I just didn't see it, right,

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Speaker 2: and lo and behold the Steelers take him. Well there

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Speaker 2: you go here about this one, right, Yeah, So.

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm not ripping on there, Evans, but he

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Speaker 1: probably was in a pool of about ten or fifteen

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Speaker 1: dudes at that stage late in the draft that or

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Speaker 2: But they were a nice group in that next group.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, right, they had trades and then you

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Speaker 1: like them. But you know, there's not always thirty two

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Speaker 1: first round picks in the draft. Thirty rarely is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are not this year. The Steelers, of course,

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Speaker 2: completed the trade for Alan Robinson. Here's a little interesting

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Speaker 2: part of this, now, Matt. As part of the deal,

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Speaker 2: the Steelers reworked his contract, giving him three point eight

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Speaker 2: three million dollars in signing bonus with the base salary

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Speaker 2: then of one point one six million. That of course

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Speaker 2: the Rams are going to pay ten million. And so

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Speaker 2: if he's released, if he doesn't make it, yeah, the

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Speaker 2: Steelers are only on the hook for that three point

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Speaker 2: eight three million, Okay, because that was designing and the

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Speaker 1: And maybe I'm wrong, is I thought when the trade happened,

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Speaker 1: he was getting five million in base salary before this Reviewal.

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Speaker 2: It had been yeah, before the before the deal was reworked.

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Speaker 2: So if he's what the hold up had been here,

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Speaker 2: you know, he he had came in and take and

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Speaker 2: taken the physical on Wednesday. Yeah, it took the Steelers

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Speaker 2: reworking his contract, they're going to give him a three

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Speaker 2: point eight million dollar check. But that's makes them and

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Speaker 2: then off the hook. That saves them one point three

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Speaker 2: million dollars basically on their salary cap. If he doesn't

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Speaker 2: make it, if he's no good, he can't play there

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Speaker 2: that's what they owe him three point eight million.

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Speaker 1: See I take that two ways then. Was first off,

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Speaker 1: what you just said, it hurts their cap less because

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Speaker 1: of the reworking, But I also take it as they

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Speaker 1: think ninety nine point nine percent chance he's going to

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Speaker 1: make the team, you know, like right right, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not just taking a flyer and the guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: William Jackson type move or whatever, or maybe that's not

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Speaker 1: even a good example, but he's making the team. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they think he's good enough, he's in the plans. He's

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Speaker 1: probably their third receiver.

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Speaker 2: More than likely a third or fourth however you want

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Speaker 2: But cefas More in Tony bet on NFL games.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know Alice Carris got you know, suspended had

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Speaker 1: You know, I have buddies on the on the bears.

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Speaker 1: But if you're not, if you're employed by anyone else

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Speaker 2: And again it just it opens you up to possibilities

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Speaker 2: You know. And there's been multiple instances beyond the black

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