WEBVTT - #597 Packers Unscripted: Training camp off and running 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:13.520 Hi, everybody, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford sitting 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.919 alongside Wes Hodkowitz from Packers dot Com. We're coming to 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:21.200 you here from our studios at Lambolefield West. Aaron Rodgers 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.680 is back. Randall Cobb is back. I am back. I 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.000 got back less than twelve hours ago, having missed the 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.560 first day, the first practice of training camp. But here 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.720 we are back in the saddle at Packers Unscripted. Tell 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.480 us where you stand right now? My friend, Hi, sit 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.840 and I'm trying to stay seated for a minute. Uh hey, 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.760 you know all this hubbub and Rogers and Cobb and Adams, 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.640 there were no like Mike Spofford tickers on ESPN or 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.920 NFL Network that he has also returned to the Packers. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.720 I was disappointing to see that, but yeah, I mean 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.080 I've covered this team now for ten years full time basis. 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.840 Monday or I should say Wednesday, excuse me. Was probably 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.679 the biggest whirlwind of all, just with everything that happened 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.600 guys coming in the moves of Packers have made and 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.160 certainly the biggest story of all, Aaron Rodgers being on 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.319 the practice field for the first day of training camp. Yeah, 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.440 it's the first time in sixteen years in this job 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.080 with the organization that I missed the first day of 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.240 training camp. So of course it would be probably the 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.800 biggest first day of training camp, uh in quite some time. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.560 But Aaron Rodgers is back, and I will let you 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.840 just speak briefly on his first day of practice because 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.280 from what you and Larry talked about in the Three 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.360 Things video, it sounds like it looks like he was 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.119 never gone. Yeah, and Larry even mentioned too. I mean, 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.520 if there's ever proof that a guy that has going 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.480 into an unprecedented seventeen season with the Green Bay Packers, 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:45.679 a three time m VP, a future Hall of Famer, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.680 that maybe he doesn't need every single reptor in an 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.760 offseason program, that was basically evident during practice on Wednesday. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.160 Rogers looked like he never left. I said it twice 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.840 during Packers Are Three Things video that you know, he 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.800 didn't skip a beat. And you know from the very beginning, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.000 whether it's just the net drills and the footwork drills 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.360 or even some of the passes, Packers are working on 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.320 a lot of red zone type concepts not I mean, 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.919 there wasn't these big you know, move the ball periods, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.080 but his ball placement. There was one particular past that 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.920 Economius st Brown ran a corner route towards the end 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:19.080 zone twenty yard touchdown pass I believe was going up 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.639 against hire Alexander two on the play, and Rogers was 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.600 able to put the ball on the point in Economia 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.079 has made a fantastic catch in the corner of the 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.560 end zone, drew some some cheers out of the crowd 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.200 that had re congregated at Nichky Field. Just moments like 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.840 that that I think show that Rogers, you know, whatever 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.600 the off season looks like, whatever his preparation process is like, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:41.840 he's gonna come and dialed in. And as he said 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.600 in a thirty two minute news conference afterwards with reporters, 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.080 if he wasn't all in, he wouldn't be here. He 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.280 certainly looked all in. Yeah, And there's been a lot 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.480 of talk in the last couple of days, obviously about 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.519 the relationship between Rogers and the front office. And I 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.720 don't want to get into all of that. There's certainly 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.799 plenty of talk and discussion out there about that. What 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.840 I do want to say is this Packers front office 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.480 spent the off season with a shrinking salary cap working 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.680 behind the scenes to keep as much of this team 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.480 together that came so close to a Super Bowl last year, 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:15.400 the last two years. Now Aaron Rodgers, the leader, the 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.840 guy who makes it all go as as we know, 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.000 is also back. Like these two things have come together. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.520 So whatever whatever it is about the relationship, whatever there 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:28.200 is with regard to the future beyond, it really doesn't 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.280 matter right now because because everything that was going on 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.840 behind the scenes with the front office and now with 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.840 Rogers coming into the fold, it's all here. This is 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:41.119 Itackers are gonna take their best shot at this thing, 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.840 and that's all that anybody is really focused on, right Yeah, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.560 And I mean you have to tip your cap and 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.520 give credit to both Rogers and Brian Goodacus. Brian Goodcoin's 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.440 the time we're taping this has talked back to back 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.360 days both times for over fifteen minutes about this situation 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.240 about them bringing in Randall Cobb in Rogers, you know, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.760 after what was a quiet offseason. He took a half 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.320 an hour answering all his questions. There was one funny 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.040 moment at the beginning of the press conference because naturally 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.600 with you know, basically outside of maybe an appearance on 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.200 Sports Center with Kenny Maine, Rogers didn't say a whole 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.240 lot about the situation this offseason. There was a moment 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.119 after the first question that Tom Palceero asked from NFL 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.640 Network that that lasted over five minutes and its entirety 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.800 was eight five words long, that Bill Hubert a number 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.160 of the reporters tried to jump in for the second question, 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.680 that in Rogers was like, it's Bill, it's good. Well, 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.080 there's time, and he took time for every single question. 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.520 We couldn't have sat there all afternoon, but if somebody hadn't. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.800 Much like last year during the Zoom calls, where Rogers 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.120 was very thoughtful, very reflective, he brought that same mentality 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:44.799 to it. And there was one big line that stuck 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.440 out to me actually really too. The first one being 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.640 he loves his team, he loves the fans, he loves 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.800 the city. He appreciates everything the Packers organization has done 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.719 for him, the money that they've paid him over the 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.040 sixteen years. But the other aspect of it was to 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.880 him mentioning that you know, I understand what this team 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.080 can accomplish this year, the talent that is in this 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.279 building and with you know, trying to get things in 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.520 a better place over the past week with with the 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.440 you know, the organization. Rogers came in because if he 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.560 wants to play and he feels like he can play, 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.160 and those are the two things he kind of came 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.760 out of this quiet offseason with. He feels that he 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.159 should play and he's back to, you know, go for 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:29.720 that next Super Bowl. Yeah. Absolutely, what you mentioned Equinimius 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.360 st Brown and the great catch that he made for 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.640 a touchdown in the first practice, and I want to 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.080 go back to that within the context of Randall Cobb 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.760 now coming in, the Packers make a trade bring back 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.440 Randall Cob. Bryan Ludin said, this is this is part 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.599 of the relationship with Aaron Rodgers and the discussions that 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.200 have been had throughout the course of the off season 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.920 bringing in Randall Cobb to this team. This this ninety 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.960 man roster, the ninety man offseason roster is loaded with 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.600 wide receivers and it just got a heck of a 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.800 lot harder. The competition is ratcheted up that much more 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.800 for really what might only be one spot in the 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.840 fifty three and then obviously there will be a couple 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.880 three spots on the practice squad for these young receivers. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.400 But boy, oh boy, does the dynamic the dynamic of 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.520 the wide receiver competition in training camp to make the 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.680 fifty three and be on the roster for Week one 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.599 in New Orleans just changed considerably with a veteran like 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.120 Randall Cobbs suddenly coming into the fold. Well, it is 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.480 funny because now the Packers are arguably as deep at 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.720 receivers they've been since cop left and and now Cobb 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.040 comes back into this I think, first and foremost from 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.440 a leadership standpoint, from having a guy that has the 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.120 experience that cob has, knows what it's like to to 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.159 have that tight knit relationship with Rogers and the ins 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.640 and outs of this offense. I am not worried about 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.400 that aspect of it. I think everybody appreciates what Randall 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.680 Cobb is about the mentality he keeps and also the 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.599 way that he carries himself. And it's interesting too that 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.080 kind of like there was ten years ago, there is 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.040 also the sort of passing of the guard here to 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.039 the passing of the torch, where you know you have 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.600 Marie Rodgers now on this this roster, Maria Rogers Dad 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:11.400 T Martin coached Randall Cobb in college at Kentucky. Through that, 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.560 Cobb and Rogers have become really close. There are different 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.880 types of receivers, they're both in that five ten range, 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.800 but the way they're built is different. But seeing those 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.320 guys come together now on this roster is gonna be 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.680 really fascinating to watch that. The fact that Cobb was 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.800 one of the first people to reach out and congratulate 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.440 Rogers after he got drafted interested to watch that Dynamic 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.920 book more than anything. The skill position battles on this 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.080 Packers offense right now, it's as deep as I can 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:43.000 ever recall because you have multiple tight end packages, you 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.040 have multiple running back packages, and then you have a 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.840 really solidified core of receivers that are returning from last season. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.320 So it's gonna be as as hot of a competition 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:54.840 as I think you've seen in a long time in 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.160 this training camp, and seeing how Cobb gets acclimated to 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:00.360 Matt Lafleur scheme is going to be a big thing. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:05.160 But also Devin Foncious is back, Alan Lazard, Econemius st Brown, 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.400 Marks Valdes Scantling. As I mentioned Rogers, and then you 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.560 had these guys like Jowan Winfrey, who was one of 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.000 the standouts during the offseason program that's competing for a spot. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.800 It's gonna be a good theater. Yeah. Absolutely, And you 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.640 mentioned the tight end group. Obviously, we know that's a 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.880 deep group. There's going to be competition there in terms 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:24.720 of where certain roles are going to be filled in. 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.320 We know what how Matt Lafleur and Nathaniel Hackett really 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.320 like to utilize the tight end in different roles in 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.160 this offense. I think, you know, I don't remember exactly 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.040 what year it was. Your memory might be better the 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.480 year that there were seven wide receivers that were kept 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.839 on the fifty three? Is that what it was? Was 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.000 that the year that they kept Jared Boykin. Yeah, It's 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.320 only happened once in uh in my time here. And 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:48.959 I know a lot of people are going to be 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.400 wondering are they going to do that? Are they are 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.880 they going to keep seven wide receivers? Well, my point 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.920 is with this group, with as deep as this tight 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:57.760 end group is, I don't know if there's going to 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.320 be room for seven wide receivers. That's why it just 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:04.000 feels like with Cobb coming in that that competition for 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.880 for wide receiver in terms of the available spots just 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.840 you know, really shrunk and also on the offensive side. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.600 I wanted to get your thoughts. We know going into this, 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.800 Aaron Jones, A J. Dillon the one to count act 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.840 running back and we really won't know much or be 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.960 able to discuss much until the preseason games with regard 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.000 to the number three running back spot, but that is 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.080 going to be one to watch here as we get 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.240 into mid to late August with regard to Dexter Williams, 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.360 Patrick Taylor and the rookie seventh round pick Kyle and 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.959 hill Um. That's that's another one number number three running 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.760 back we've we've seen, not a huge role necessarily in 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:43.880 this offense, but a guy that needs to be ready 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.240 if they're injuries, a guy who is going to play 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.960 and is going to have some things drawn up for him. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.080 And the Packers have to find out who that guy 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.360 is gonna be. Yeah, I hope that we get Patrick 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.079 Taylor here, you know, quickly. I see that not from 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.520 weed from a Packer standpoint, for from just a media standpoint, 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.559 because on it it seems like he has a great 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.360 disposition about life and the way he carries himself. But 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.520 also I thought he had put together a really nice 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.800 offseason program. He's starting the training camp on p U P, 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.360 so that meant a lot of reps during the first 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.040 day of practice for Kylan Hill and also Dexter Williams. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.160 I really liked what I saw from Kylan Hill. Now 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.240 again I cushioned this, couched it when I said it 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.559 on Twitter. You know, there's no pads, there's no contact. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.440 But the one thing that really stood out to me 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.120 about Hill is you can see the cutback speed, the 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.640 explosive This that really stood out to me, some of 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.360 the stuff that he did in between the tackles and 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.839 the guards. There's just a second gear there. And you 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.440 remember he was an incredibly accomplished runner for a number 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.520 of years in Mississippi State before Mike Leach came in 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:42.880 and he kind of shifted to more of a pass 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:47.120 catching back. So seeing that competition play out, as you said, 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.640 Mike in training camp, I say, the preseason, Aaron Jones 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.160 is not gonna play maybe at all. A j. Dillon, 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.560 I think, is going to play really selectively. It's gonna 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.760 be those three running backs probably playing a lot of football, 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.920 especially in the second half of those three priesecut preseason contests, 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.040 and if Patrick Taylor can get back, I mean, I 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.720 just think that there's gonna be three really different types 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.920 of backs the Packers can work with their depending on 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.120 what direction they want to go with that spot. Yeah, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.440 for sure, a couple other competitions I want to get to. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.120 But first serious x M NFL Radio delivers hard hitting 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.960 analysis and up to the minute NFL news that true 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:25.680 football fanatics need seven three al Right, If there's one 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.720 competition on the defensive side of the ball as we 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.880 headed a training camp here that is sort of the headliner, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.240 I think you'd have to say it's number two cornerback. 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.320 Right now, Kevin King is beginning training camp on what 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.480 they call the n f I List Non Football Injury. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.280 They're a handful of players that are on that list 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.680 and not did not practice the first day. Brian Gudakun 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.400 said there aren't any long term concerns with any of them. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.760 We don't really know exactly what those injuries are, but 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.160 they'll be back soon. That being said, this battle that's 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.640 going to develop, I think between Kevin King and Eric 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.880 Stokes in terms of who really will be the number 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.640 two cornerback in the base defense. Uh, you know, lining 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.880 up on the other side from Jaire Alexander. That's going 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.679 to be one to watch as well as the next 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:12.960 few weeks unfold. It really will be, because you know, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.120 Shandon Sullivan seemed pretty cemented still in that nickel role, 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.880 and that's not a position that King's really played. Maybe 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.080 Stokes could push inside a little bit more, maybe they'd 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:22.560 be a little bit more flexible with how they use 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.560 Jire Alexander to get all their types of you know, 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.840 the top cornerbacks on the field at the same time, 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:29.840 those are things we have to see with the direction 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.920 that Joe Barry goes. But for Stokes, I thought this 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.880 was an important day and also for Rishawn Gary because 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:37.880 the Darius Smith is starting on n f I as well, 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.040 so Gary got a chance to be out there in 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.320 basically a starting role with the defense, even though that 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.920 isn't exactly a competition there with Sadarius for for that 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.160 outside corner spot opposite Jaire Alexander. It's just so pivotable 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.280 because I think when you saw in two thousand nineteen 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.560 when Kevin King was able to stay healthy, you know, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.600 the season that he had the five interceptions, those guy, 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.000 the guy that's over there, it could be the second 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.640 best cornerback in the league. At point. That guy is 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.319 going to be looked at a lot because of what 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.960 is doing on the opposite side of the Challenges are 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.080 going to come that guy's way. There's no question challenges 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:12.320 are going to come. So what do you do with 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.199 those challenges? The past defense that the interceptions, the big plays. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.080 Can you be the shutdown cornerback to Alexander like I 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.280 think a lot of people um a year ago, I 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.040 remember that was the big thing Kevin King was saying 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.320 he wanted to be that shutdown option with him. Now, 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.520 we'll be interesting to see when King gets back on 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.200 the field again. Brian Goodguins, as you mentioned, said, there 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.200 really wasn't a long term concern with any of those 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.480 guys right now, but as long as he's out, it 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.319 looks like Eric Snows is gonna be the guy sitting 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.079 in that spot. Yeah. Other observations from the first day 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.760 of practice in catching up on all the news, looks 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.800 like the plan as of now in waiting for David 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.040 bak try to return from the a c L surgery, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.480 and there is no definitive timeline on that we all know. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:58.240 Bok Trs has said he's obviously aiming for Week one. Um, 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.360 nobody's making any guarantees one way or the other, but 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:05.240 it looks like the first option is to have Elton 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.240 Jenkins slide out from guard to left tackle to replace Botr, 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:14.640 which then keeps Billy Turner at right tackle, and then 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.240 as of now, the top two guards would be John Runyon, 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.000 the second year pro from Michigan and Lucas Patrick, the 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:26.160 veteran former undrafted tryout player who's carved out quite a 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.400 career for himself and and he could end up starting 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.440 in Week one for the second year in a row. Yeah, 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.040 and Patrick was pretty much solidifying that right guard role 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.680 the left guard run It's gonna be interesting because you 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.440 have Runyon there, who also has taken some center snaps 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.480 with some of the scout team stuff or that the 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.200 third team stuff. Ben Braden is the other guy to 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:44.880 keep an eye on there as well. They were able 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.760 to work him in a little bit with the first teamers. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:48.520 He's a guy too that has kind of come the 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.920 long way and undre former undrafted player, a teammate of 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.120 Rashawn Garry's at Michigan. Uh, you know, someone that has 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.760 been with the franchise once before, came back last season 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.240 and then finished the year on the fifty three man roster. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.000 To the original point though with Dennis Kelly also getting 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.560 added into this, you know equation as well. You know, 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.040 a veteran that's been around for eight years in the NFL. 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:11.960 You know they're they're gonna have to make some interesting 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.520 decisions to tackle now. Elton Jenkins was the guy on 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.480 day one. He was exceptional there last season. The question 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.680 that always you just would like to be a fly 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.280 on the wall in these coaching rooms, is trying to 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.840 figure out what's the best spot for Elton Jenkins when 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:27.440 he can do it all. You know, if he's a 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:31.320 really good left tackle in an all Pro caliber left guard, 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.920 where is your offense better depending on where he's playing. So, 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:37.440 as the Packers have always done, this has sort of 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.960 been a mantra here with Brian Goodkin's over the last 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.040 three years is they're going to give themselves options. So 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.600 Jenkins he's going to be looked at left tackle. Billy 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.200 Turner did some of that stuff during the offseason program 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.440 when Jenkins wasn't on the field. You have Kelly coming 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.960 in who played right tackle last year. That could potentially 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.640 increase the flexibility to move around Billy Turner. It's a 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.080 different age, man. I mean I remember coming in to 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.760 this team nine years ago. First year I covered it, 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.080 and you just knew who the first team offensive line 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:06.560 was gonna look like. You knew what the second team 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.640 offensive line was gonna look like, and that's the way 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.680 it was going to go for that practice day. We 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.840 aren't doing that anymore. That isn't the direction that the 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.920 league is going. So uh, a lot of different ways 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.360 the Packers have to kind of cut this this pie up, 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:22.080 but but certainly a multitude of options depending on which 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.000 direction they feel they need to go. Yeah, you hear 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.400 a lot of times, whether you're talking the college level 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.680 the NFL level, with regard to offensive line, coaches will 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.640 always say, well, we want to have our best five 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:35.120 guys on the field. Sometimes that's just lip service because 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.280 they really know who they want in certain spots. With 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.920 this Packers coaching steps, it's Matt Lafleur has been here 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:46.440 and with as much as many injuries and shuffling and 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.760 everything they've had to deal with through two seasons on 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.160 the offensive line, the five best guys on the field. Thing. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.920 It's not lip service here, that really is that really 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.160 is what they want to do. They want to they 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.920 you know, yeah, if it means Elton Jenkins playing left tackle, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.200 if it means Billy Turner moving around two different positions, 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.600 if it means a rookie is going to start at 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.600 center because he is because he's one of the best five. Like, 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.680 that's how they're going about it. And and uh, we'll 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.720 see how it unfolds. Obviously everybody will be interested to 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.280 see when David baktr does return and we all know 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.359 where his spot is and then and then where the 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.520 dominoes might fall from there. But um, but they built this, 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.800 they built this offensive line with to have flexibility and options, 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:31.680 as you said, and we're going to see all those 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:33.919 options over the next month. Yeah, it's kind of funny 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.280 that the one sort of set things so far is 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.760 the rookie second round pick Josh Myers is the first 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.520 team center. That was like the one thing that it's like, okay, well, 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.520 kind of maybe press a little harder with the pencil 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.080 when you're throwing that one on the depth chart at 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.480 least right now, the way it's chicken yeah, absolutely. A 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.480 couple other things I just want to touch on quickly 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.960 before we go. I think we're seeing an interesting dynamic 0:17:55.280 --> 0:18:00.879 developing here. First day of practice in ide linebacker, the 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:05.000 veteran Devondre Devandre Campbell is lined up next to the 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:09.440 youngster Chris Barnes. We already talked about jayro Alexander kind 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.760 of being with Eric Stokes. Right now, with Kevin King 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.399 on the nf I list, you have the rookie center 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:19.120 and Josh Meers amidst you know, Billy Taylor and Lucas Patrick, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.600 I mean sorry, Billy Turner and Lucas Patrick. There's an 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.679 interesting dynamic developing in terms of these young guys that 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.439 the Packers are going to be counting on significantly. Whatever 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.879 role they end up getting, they have they have that 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.320 veteran guy sort of right from the beginning that they 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.719 can they can be in their hip pocket in the 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.600 meeting room, on the practice field. It's kind of the 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.280 way things have been built around here. But yet it's 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.640 just it feels it. It feels like it's even more 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.640 intentional in the way these guys are lining up at 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:50.320 the start of training camp right now. It's just the 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.439 sense that I get right and your heart kind of 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.000 goes out to the Devondre Campbell's And you know, like 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.240 I mentioned now with with Dennis Kelly coming in, these 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.600 are guys that I think in traditional years would have 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.399 gotten better contracts, you know, from some team in the NFL. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.840 But with the way the cap went down and created 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.520 a really terrible sort of setup for the secondary market, 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.399 is that weren't going to be guys that signed the 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.200 first day of free agency. And Campbell I thought was 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.600 an absolute steal for the Green Bay Packers when you 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.720 look at his resume, much like how Kelly started every 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.320 game last year, you know, Campbell's a guy that's played 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.440 virtually every snap defensively the last few seasons, whether it 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.359 was his time in Arizona or we're going back to 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:31.280