1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford sitting 2 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: alongside Wes Hodkowitz from Packers dot Com. We're coming to 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: you here from our studios at Lambolefield West. Aaron Rodgers 4 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: is back. Randall Cobb is back. I am back. I 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: got back less than twelve hours ago, having missed the 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: first day, the first practice of training camp. But here 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: we are back in the saddle at Packers Unscripted. Tell 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: us where you stand right now? My friend, Hi, sit 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to stay seated for a minute. Uh hey, 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: you know all this hubbub and Rogers and Cobb and Adams, 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: there were no like Mike Spofford tickers on ESPN or 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: NFL Network that he has also returned to the Packers. 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: I was disappointing to see that, but yeah, I mean 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: I've covered this team now for ten years full time basis. 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: Monday or I should say Wednesday, excuse me. Was probably 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: the biggest whirlwind of all, just with everything that happened 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: guys coming in the moves of Packers have made and 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: certainly the biggest story of all, Aaron Rodgers being on 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: the practice field for the first day of training camp. Yeah, 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: it's the first time in sixteen years in this job 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: with the organization that I missed the first day of 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: training camp. So of course it would be probably the 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: biggest first day of training camp, uh in quite some time. 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: But Aaron Rodgers is back, and I will let you 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: just speak briefly on his first day of practice because 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: from what you and Larry talked about in the Three 27 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: Things video, it sounds like it looks like he was 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: never gone. Yeah, and Larry even mentioned too. I mean, 29 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: if there's ever proof that a guy that has going 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: into an unprecedented seventeen season with the Green Bay Packers, 31 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: a three time m VP, a future Hall of Famer, 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: that maybe he doesn't need every single reptor in an 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: offseason program, that was basically evident during practice on Wednesday. 34 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: Rogers looked like he never left. I said it twice 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: during Packers Are Three Things video that you know, he 36 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: didn't skip a beat. And you know from the very beginning, 37 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: whether it's just the net drills and the footwork drills 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: or even some of the passes, Packers are working on 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: a lot of red zone type concepts not I mean, 40 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: there wasn't these big you know, move the ball periods, 41 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: but his ball placement. There was one particular past that 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: Economius st Brown ran a corner route towards the end 43 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: zone twenty yard touchdown pass I believe was going up 44 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: against hire Alexander two on the play, and Rogers was 45 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: able to put the ball on the point in Economia 46 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: has made a fantastic catch in the corner of the 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: end zone, drew some some cheers out of the crowd 48 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: that had re congregated at Nichky Field. Just moments like 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: that that I think show that Rogers, you know, whatever 50 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: the off season looks like, whatever his preparation process is like, 51 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna come and dialed in. And as he said 52 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: in a thirty two minute news conference afterwards with reporters, 53 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: if he wasn't all in, he wouldn't be here. He 54 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: certainly looked all in. Yeah, And there's been a lot 55 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: of talk in the last couple of days, obviously about 56 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: the relationship between Rogers and the front office. And I 57 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: don't want to get into all of that. There's certainly 58 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: plenty of talk and discussion out there about that. What 59 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: I do want to say is this Packers front office 60 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: spent the off season with a shrinking salary cap working 61 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: behind the scenes to keep as much of this team 62 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: together that came so close to a Super Bowl last year, 63 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: the last two years. Now Aaron Rodgers, the leader, the 64 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: guy who makes it all go as as we know, 65 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: is also back. Like these two things have come together. 66 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: So whatever whatever it is about the relationship, whatever there 67 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: is with regard to the future beyond, it really doesn't 68 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: matter right now because because everything that was going on 69 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: behind the scenes with the front office and now with 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: Rogers coming into the fold, it's all here. This is 71 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 1: Itackers are gonna take their best shot at this thing, 72 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: and that's all that anybody is really focused on, right Yeah, 73 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: And I mean you have to tip your cap and 74 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: give credit to both Rogers and Brian Goodacus. Brian Goodcoin's 75 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: the time we're taping this has talked back to back 76 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: days both times for over fifteen minutes about this situation 77 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: about them bringing in Randall Cobb in Rogers, you know, 78 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: after what was a quiet offseason. He took a half 79 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: an hour answering all his questions. There was one funny 80 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: moment at the beginning of the press conference because naturally 81 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: with you know, basically outside of maybe an appearance on 82 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: Sports Center with Kenny Maine, Rogers didn't say a whole 83 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: lot about the situation this offseason. There was a moment 84 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,119 Speaker 1: after the first question that Tom Palceero asked from NFL 85 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: Network that that lasted over five minutes and its entirety 86 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: was eight five words long, that Bill Hubert a number 87 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: of the reporters tried to jump in for the second question, 88 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: that in Rogers was like, it's Bill, it's good. Well, 89 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: there's time, and he took time for every single question. 90 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: We couldn't have sat there all afternoon, but if somebody hadn't. 91 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: Much like last year during the Zoom calls, where Rogers 92 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: was very thoughtful, very reflective, he brought that same mentality 93 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 1: to it. And there was one big line that stuck 94 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: out to me actually really too. The first one being 95 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: he loves his team, he loves the fans, he loves 96 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: the city. He appreciates everything the Packers organization has done 97 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: for him, the money that they've paid him over the 98 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: sixteen years. But the other aspect of it was to 99 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: him mentioning that you know, I understand what this team 100 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: can accomplish this year, the talent that is in this 101 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: building and with you know, trying to get things in 102 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: a better place over the past week with with the 103 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, the organization. Rogers came in because if he 104 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: wants to play and he feels like he can play, 105 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: and those are the two things he kind of came 106 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: out of this quiet offseason with. He feels that he 107 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: should play and he's back to, you know, go for 108 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: that next Super Bowl. Yeah. Absolutely, what you mentioned Equinimius 109 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: st Brown and the great catch that he made for 110 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: a touchdown in the first practice, and I want to 111 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: go back to that within the context of Randall Cobb 112 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: now coming in, the Packers make a trade bring back 113 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: Randall Cob. Bryan Ludin said, this is this is part 114 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: of the relationship with Aaron Rodgers and the discussions that 115 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: have been had throughout the course of the off season 116 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: bringing in Randall Cobb to this team. This this ninety 117 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: man roster, the ninety man offseason roster is loaded with 118 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: wide receivers and it just got a heck of a 119 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: lot harder. The competition is ratcheted up that much more 120 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: for really what might only be one spot in the 121 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: fifty three and then obviously there will be a couple 122 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: three spots on the practice squad for these young receivers. 123 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: But boy, oh boy, does the dynamic the dynamic of 124 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: the wide receiver competition in training camp to make the 125 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: fifty three and be on the roster for Week one 126 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: in New Orleans just changed considerably with a veteran like 127 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: Randall Cobbs suddenly coming into the fold. Well, it is 128 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: funny because now the Packers are arguably as deep at 129 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: receivers they've been since cop left and and now Cobb 130 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: comes back into this I think, first and foremost from 131 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: a leadership standpoint, from having a guy that has the 132 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: experience that cob has, knows what it's like to to 133 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: have that tight knit relationship with Rogers and the ins 134 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: and outs of this offense. I am not worried about 135 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: that aspect of it. I think everybody appreciates what Randall 136 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: Cobb is about the mentality he keeps and also the 137 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: way that he carries himself. And it's interesting too that 138 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: kind of like there was ten years ago, there is 139 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: also the sort of passing of the guard here to 140 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: the passing of the torch, where you know you have 141 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: Marie Rodgers now on this this roster, Maria Rogers Dad 142 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: T Martin coached Randall Cobb in college at Kentucky. Through that, 143 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: Cobb and Rogers have become really close. There are different 144 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: types of receivers, they're both in that five ten range, 145 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: but the way they're built is different. But seeing those 146 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: guys come together now on this roster is gonna be 147 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: really fascinating to watch that. The fact that Cobb was 148 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: one of the first people to reach out and congratulate 149 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: Rogers after he got drafted interested to watch that Dynamic 150 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: book more than anything. The skill position battles on this 151 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: Packers offense right now, it's as deep as I can 152 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: ever recall because you have multiple tight end packages, you 153 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: have multiple running back packages, and then you have a 154 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: really solidified core of receivers that are returning from last season. 155 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be as as hot of a competition 156 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: as I think you've seen in a long time in 157 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: this training camp, and seeing how Cobb gets acclimated to 158 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur scheme is going to be a big thing. 159 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: But also Devin Foncious is back, Alan Lazard, Econemius st Brown, 160 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: Marks Valdes Scantling. As I mentioned Rogers, and then you 161 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: had these guys like Jowan Winfrey, who was one of 162 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: the standouts during the offseason program that's competing for a spot. 163 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good theater. Yeah. Absolutely, And you 164 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: mentioned the tight end group. Obviously, we know that's a 165 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: deep group. There's going to be competition there in terms 166 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: of where certain roles are going to be filled in. 167 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: We know what how Matt Lafleur and Nathaniel Hackett really 168 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: like to utilize the tight end in different roles in 169 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: this offense. I think, you know, I don't remember exactly 170 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: what year it was. Your memory might be better the 171 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: year that there were seven wide receivers that were kept 172 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: on the fifty three? Is that what it was? Was 173 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: that the year that they kept Jared Boykin. Yeah, It's 174 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: only happened once in uh in my time here. And 175 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are going to be 176 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: wondering are they going to do that? Are they are 177 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: they going to keep seven wide receivers? Well, my point 178 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: is with this group, with as deep as this tight 179 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: end group is, I don't know if there's going to 180 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: be room for seven wide receivers. That's why it just 181 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: feels like with Cobb coming in that that competition for 182 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: for wide receiver in terms of the available spots just 183 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, really shrunk and also on the offensive side. 184 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to get your thoughts. We know going into this, 185 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, A J. Dillon the one to count act 186 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: running back and we really won't know much or be 187 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: able to discuss much until the preseason games with regard 188 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: to the number three running back spot, but that is 189 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: going to be one to watch here as we get 190 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: into mid to late August with regard to Dexter Williams, 191 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: Patrick Taylor and the rookie seventh round pick Kyle and 192 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: hill Um. That's that's another one number number three running 193 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: back we've we've seen, not a huge role necessarily in 194 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: this offense, but a guy that needs to be ready 195 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: if they're injuries, a guy who is going to play 196 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: and is going to have some things drawn up for him. 197 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: And the Packers have to find out who that guy 198 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: is gonna be. Yeah, I hope that we get Patrick 199 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: Taylor here, you know, quickly. I see that not from 200 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: weed from a Packer standpoint, for from just a media standpoint, 201 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: because on it it seems like he has a great 202 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: disposition about life and the way he carries himself. But 203 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: also I thought he had put together a really nice 204 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: offseason program. He's starting the training camp on p U P, 205 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: so that meant a lot of reps during the first 206 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: day of practice for Kylan Hill and also Dexter Williams. 207 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: I really liked what I saw from Kylan Hill. Now 208 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: again I cushioned this, couched it when I said it 209 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: on Twitter. You know, there's no pads, there's no contact. 210 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: But the one thing that really stood out to me 211 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: about Hill is you can see the cutback speed, the 212 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: explosive This that really stood out to me, some of 213 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: the stuff that he did in between the tackles and 214 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: the guards. There's just a second gear there. And you 215 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: remember he was an incredibly accomplished runner for a number 216 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: of years in Mississippi State before Mike Leach came in 217 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: and he kind of shifted to more of a pass 218 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: catching back. So seeing that competition play out, as you said, 219 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: Mike in training camp, I say, the preseason, Aaron Jones 220 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: is not gonna play maybe at all. A j. Dillon, 221 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: I think, is going to play really selectively. It's gonna 222 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: be those three running backs probably playing a lot of football, 223 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: especially in the second half of those three priesecut preseason contests, 224 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: and if Patrick Taylor can get back, I mean, I 225 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: just think that there's gonna be three really different types 226 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: of backs the Packers can work with their depending on 227 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: what direction they want to go with that spot. Yeah, 228 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: for sure, a couple other competitions I want to get to. 229 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: But first serious x M NFL Radio delivers hard hitting 230 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: analysis and up to the minute NFL news that true 231 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: football fanatics need seven three al Right, If there's one 232 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: competition on the defensive side of the ball as we 233 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: headed a training camp here that is sort of the headliner, 234 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say it's number two cornerback. 235 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: Right now, Kevin King is beginning training camp on what 236 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: they call the n f I List Non Football Injury. 237 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: They're a handful of players that are on that list 238 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: and not did not practice the first day. Brian Gudakun 239 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: said there aren't any long term concerns with any of them. 240 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: We don't really know exactly what those injuries are, but 241 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: they'll be back soon. That being said, this battle that's 242 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: going to develop, I think between Kevin King and Eric 243 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Stokes in terms of who really will be the number 244 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: two cornerback in the base defense. Uh, you know, lining 245 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: up on the other side from Jaire Alexander. That's going 246 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: to be one to watch as well as the next 247 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: few weeks unfold. It really will be, because you know, 248 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: Shandon Sullivan seemed pretty cemented still in that nickel role, 249 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: and that's not a position that King's really played. Maybe 250 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: Stokes could push inside a little bit more, maybe they'd 251 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: be a little bit more flexible with how they use 252 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: Jire Alexander to get all their types of you know, 253 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: the top cornerbacks on the field at the same time, 254 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: those are things we have to see with the direction 255 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: that Joe Barry goes. But for Stokes, I thought this 256 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: was an important day and also for Rishawn Gary because 257 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: the Darius Smith is starting on n f I as well, 258 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: so Gary got a chance to be out there in 259 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: basically a starting role with the defense, even though that 260 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: isn't exactly a competition there with Sadarius for for that 261 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: outside corner spot opposite Jaire Alexander. It's just so pivotable 262 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: because I think when you saw in two thousand nineteen 263 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: when Kevin King was able to stay healthy, you know, 264 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: the season that he had the five interceptions, those guy, 265 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: the guy that's over there, it could be the second 266 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: best cornerback in the league. At point. That guy is 267 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: going to be looked at a lot because of what 268 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: is doing on the opposite side of the Challenges are 269 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: going to come that guy's way. There's no question challenges 270 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: are going to come. So what do you do with 271 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: those challenges? The past defense that the interceptions, the big plays. 272 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: Can you be the shutdown cornerback to Alexander like I 273 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: think a lot of people um a year ago, I 274 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: remember that was the big thing Kevin King was saying 275 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: he wanted to be that shutdown option with him. Now, 276 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: we'll be interesting to see when King gets back on 277 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: the field again. Brian Goodguins, as you mentioned, said, there 278 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: really wasn't a long term concern with any of those 279 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: guys right now, but as long as he's out, it 280 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: looks like Eric Snows is gonna be the guy sitting 281 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: in that spot. Yeah. Other observations from the first day 282 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: of practice in catching up on all the news, looks 283 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: like the plan as of now in waiting for David 284 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: bak try to return from the a c L surgery, 285 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: and there is no definitive timeline on that we all know. 286 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: Bok Trs has said he's obviously aiming for Week one. Um, 287 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: nobody's making any guarantees one way or the other, but 288 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: it looks like the first option is to have Elton 289 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: Jenkins slide out from guard to left tackle to replace Botr, 290 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: which then keeps Billy Turner at right tackle, and then 291 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: as of now, the top two guards would be John Runyon, 292 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: the second year pro from Michigan and Lucas Patrick, the 293 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: veteran former undrafted tryout player who's carved out quite a 294 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: career for himself and and he could end up starting 295 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: in Week one for the second year in a row. Yeah, 296 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: and Patrick was pretty much solidifying that right guard role 297 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: the left guard run It's gonna be interesting because you 298 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: have Runyon there, who also has taken some center snaps 299 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: with some of the scout team stuff or that the 300 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: third team stuff. Ben Braden is the other guy to 301 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: keep an eye on there as well. They were able 302 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: to work him in a little bit with the first teamers. 303 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: He's a guy too that has kind of come the 304 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: long way and undre former undrafted player, a teammate of 305 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: Rashawn Garry's at Michigan. Uh, you know, someone that has 306 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: been with the franchise once before, came back last season 307 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: and then finished the year on the fifty three man roster. 308 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: To the original point though with Dennis Kelly also getting 309 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: added into this, you know equation as well. You know, 310 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: a veteran that's been around for eight years in the NFL. 311 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: You know they're they're gonna have to make some interesting 312 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: decisions to tackle now. Elton Jenkins was the guy on 313 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: day one. He was exceptional there last season. The question 314 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: that always you just would like to be a fly 315 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: on the wall in these coaching rooms, is trying to 316 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: figure out what's the best spot for Elton Jenkins when 317 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: he can do it all. You know, if he's a 318 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: really good left tackle in an all Pro caliber left guard, 319 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: where is your offense better depending on where he's playing. So, 320 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: as the Packers have always done, this has sort of 321 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: been a mantra here with Brian Goodkin's over the last 322 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: three years is they're going to give themselves options. So 323 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: Jenkins he's going to be looked at left tackle. Billy 324 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: Turner did some of that stuff during the offseason program 325 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: when Jenkins wasn't on the field. You have Kelly coming 326 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: in who played right tackle last year. That could potentially 327 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: increase the flexibility to move around Billy Turner. It's a 328 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: different age, man. I mean I remember coming in to 329 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: this team nine years ago. First year I covered it, 330 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: and you just knew who the first team offensive line 331 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: was gonna look like. You knew what the second team 332 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: offensive line was gonna look like, and that's the way 333 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: it was going to go for that practice day. We 334 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: aren't doing that anymore. That isn't the direction that the 335 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: league is going. So uh, a lot of different ways 336 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: the Packers have to kind of cut this this pie up, 337 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: but but certainly a multitude of options depending on which 338 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: direction they feel they need to go. Yeah, you hear 339 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: a lot of times, whether you're talking the college level 340 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: the NFL level, with regard to offensive line, coaches will 341 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: always say, well, we want to have our best five 342 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: guys on the field. Sometimes that's just lip service because 343 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: they really know who they want in certain spots. With 344 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: this Packers coaching steps, it's Matt Lafleur has been here 345 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: and with as much as many injuries and shuffling and 346 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: everything they've had to deal with through two seasons on 347 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: the offensive line, the five best guys on the field. Thing. 348 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: It's not lip service here, that really is that really 349 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: is what they want to do. They want to they 350 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, if it means Elton Jenkins playing left tackle, 351 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: if it means Billy Turner moving around two different positions, 352 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: if it means a rookie is going to start at 353 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: center because he is because he's one of the best five. Like, 354 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: that's how they're going about it. And and uh, we'll 355 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: see how it unfolds. Obviously everybody will be interested to 356 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: see when David baktr does return and we all know 357 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: where his spot is and then and then where the 358 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: dominoes might fall from there. But um, but they built this, 359 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: they built this offensive line with to have flexibility and options, 360 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: as you said, and we're going to see all those 361 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: options over the next month. Yeah, it's kind of funny 362 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: that the one sort of set things so far is 363 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: the rookie second round pick Josh Myers is the first 364 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: team center. That was like the one thing that it's like, okay, well, 365 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: kind of maybe press a little harder with the pencil 366 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: when you're throwing that one on the depth chart at 367 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: least right now, the way it's chicken yeah, absolutely. A 368 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: couple other things I just want to touch on quickly 369 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: before we go. I think we're seeing an interesting dynamic 370 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: developing here. First day of practice in ide linebacker, the 371 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: veteran Devondre Devandre Campbell is lined up next to the 372 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: youngster Chris Barnes. We already talked about jayro Alexander kind 373 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: of being with Eric Stokes. Right now, with Kevin King 374 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: on the nf I list, you have the rookie center 375 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: and Josh Meers amidst you know, Billy Taylor and Lucas Patrick, 376 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: I mean sorry, Billy Turner and Lucas Patrick. There's an 377 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: interesting dynamic developing in terms of these young guys that 378 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: the Packers are going to be counting on significantly. Whatever 379 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: role they end up getting, they have they have that 380 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: veteran guy sort of right from the beginning that they 381 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 1: can they can be in their hip pocket in the 382 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: meeting room, on the practice field. It's kind of the 383 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: way things have been built around here. But yet it's 384 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: just it feels it. It feels like it's even more 385 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: intentional in the way these guys are lining up at 386 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: the start of training camp right now. It's just the 387 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: sense that I get right and your heart kind of 388 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: goes out to the Devondre Campbell's And you know, like 389 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: I mentioned now with with Dennis Kelly coming in, these 390 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: are guys that I think in traditional years would have 391 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: gotten better contracts, you know, from some team in the NFL. 392 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: But with the way the cap went down and created 393 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: a really terrible sort of setup for the secondary market, 394 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: is that weren't going to be guys that signed the 395 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: first day of free agency. And Campbell I thought was 396 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: an absolute steal for the Green Bay Packers when you 397 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: look at his resume, much like how Kelly started every 398 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: game last year, you know, Campbell's a guy that's played 399 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: virtually every snap defensively the last few seasons, whether it 400 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: was his time in Arizona or we're going back to 401 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: Atlanta where he was basically a Day one starter. And 402 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: the thing about it is is Adrian Name has kind 403 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: of talked about it. It still sounds like Chris Barnes 404 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: is the one relaying the calls on the field. But 405 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: you saw in the second half of last season how 406 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: important that nickel linebacker is for Green Bay. I thought 407 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: that's where Christian Kirksy really started to improve. The second 408 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: half of the season, and if Campbell can give them 409 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: more of a true nickel, a package that they can 410 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: rely on where you're not just always going right to 411 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: the dime sub package with the hybrid safety and the box. 412 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: I think that could be really important for what Barry 413 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: wants to build in Green Bay because Campbell maybe he 414 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: won't play every snap like he did in Arizona. Maybe 415 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: he will, you never know, but I feel like when 416 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: you look at his skill set, the way he's built 417 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: in his coverage abilities over the years, I feel like 418 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: this is a guy that not only is he a 419 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: veteran in that room, but he also compliments what they 420 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: do have in Cris Barnes. And then you know Kamal Martin, 421 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: who's just a you know, bull in a china shop there, 422 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: just goes for it, right. He's a guy that's a 423 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: little bit more finesse and obviously has a lot of 424 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: experience at that position and still relatively young at only 425 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: twenty eight. So, uh Ty Summers is still there or 426 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: in Burke's is still there. You know, Isaiah McDuffie is 427 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: going to start on n f I, but he you know, 428 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: the sixth round pick is also in that competition. I 429 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: don't know, Mike, we kind of touched on with the receivers, 430 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: but it holds true. I mean, for all my years 431 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: covering the team, there were a lot of years where 432 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: you could just kind of check off and cross off 433 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: certain guys even at the beginning of camp because it's 434 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: like that's not gonna work out this year, and a 435 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: lot of these positions, there's not only questions about who 436 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: can make the fifty three, but out of those guys, 437 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: who are gonna be the ones that are gonna be 438 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: starting out there with their eleven Yeah, Brian goodacounts. He 439 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: said it during the off season, and he said it 440 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: again here at the start of training camp. This is 441 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: going to be a difficult football team to make as 442 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: a player because the roster is so deep and there 443 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: are only the fifty three spots and we are just 444 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: getting started. So with that, we'll call it a wrap 445 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: on this welcome back edition of Packers Unscripted Training Camp 446 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: is underway. To be sure to follow all of our 447 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: coverage of it on Packers dot com. For West, I'm Mike, 448 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will see you 449 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: next time.