WEBVTT - How Egypt's Pyramids Work

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Jerry's doing funny voices

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden. Yes, She's like, we're eight years

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<v Speaker 1>into this gig. I'm gonna start doing impressions. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's an impression, it's more just

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<v Speaker 1>a silly, silly, dumb voice. Maybe she's taking on a

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<v Speaker 1>stand up class or improv class. Are you taking an

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<v Speaker 1>improv class? Jerry? Yes, she keeps going and she says

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a comedy improv class, so it's a business

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<v Speaker 1>improv class, just to make her sharper in meanings, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have gotten much more enjoyable and shorter. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Her power point presentations are like one third jokes now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but our equipment rental has gone up purchases because she

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<v Speaker 1>drops the mic a little too hard. Yeah, just keep

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<v Speaker 1>her place in those mics. Yeah. So, Chuck, everybody knows

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<v Speaker 1>about the pyramids, great Pyramids at Giza. Turns out there's

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<v Speaker 1>pyramids all over the world, and there's a a distinct

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<v Speaker 1>thread on the Internet that suggests that all these pyramids

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<v Speaker 1>are connected in Mesoamerica, China, Egypt, Memphis, Greece, Memphis in Egypt,

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<v Speaker 1>not Memphis, Tennessee. Is there, Well, it's one of these

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<v Speaker 1>new pyramids, a neo pyramid. It's a basketball Colisseum, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, yeah, the pyramid. Sure? What is that a

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<v Speaker 1>mud island or something? Is that a different island in Memphis. Well?

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<v Speaker 1>The the idea is that all of these cultures, ancient cultures,

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<v Speaker 1>were visited by the same aliens that said, built some pyramids,

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<v Speaker 1>here's how to do it, we'll help you out. And um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just almost certainly not sure. Yeah, I feel safe

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<v Speaker 1>in saying, as much as I like to believe in

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<v Speaker 1>cookie things, I don't believe that the aliens built the pyramids.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that either. And one there's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of good arguments against it. For for one, it really

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<v Speaker 1>diminishes the incredible skill of the ancient engineers who came

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<v Speaker 1>up with us and the workers who constructed them. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like the architecture the Yeah, surely they would need some

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<v Speaker 1>advanced alien civilization to come down and tell these dumb

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<v Speaker 1>dumbs what to do. And then another point that I

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<v Speaker 1>ran across That kind of explains against that is that

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<v Speaker 1>if you I think it was unlike rational wiki or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, they basically said, go out in your

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<v Speaker 1>garden and try to build a waste high mound of dirt.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, you're going to just naturally after even one

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<v Speaker 1>or two attempts, start forming a pyramid of mound shape,

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<v Speaker 1>and their whole jam. The whole idea is that pyramids

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<v Speaker 1>evolved independently just from trying to build a massive earthen structure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and there you go. That's where pyramids evolved separately around

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<v Speaker 1>the world. I was laughing because as soon as you

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<v Speaker 1>said that, for some reason, I pictured you in your backyard,

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<v Speaker 1>like covered in dirt, just screaming like you it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going well, call somebody check the wrong besought the list

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't hold up, and you mean he's like on her

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<v Speaker 1>phone like what you Okay, you're cute, keep it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So a pyramid um who wrote this one? Is

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<v Speaker 1>this some Craig Freud and Rich PhD? Yeah, he's written

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<v Speaker 1>some good ones for us. I've learned to not second

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<v Speaker 1>guess his articles. You know, Yeah, No, he's he's good.

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<v Speaker 1>And you throw a PhD at the end of your name, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not allowed to second guess that. After that, how

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<v Speaker 1>might just start doing that? Nobody checks, you know, call

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<v Speaker 1>me doctor Chuck Charles Bryant, PhD. Yeah, um, alright. A

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<v Speaker 1>pyramid is a geometrical solid with a square basse, not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily and for equal our old triangular sides, the most

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<v Speaker 1>structurally stable shape for projects involving large amounts of stone

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<v Speaker 1>or masonry. Exactly, it's a very very stable shape. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And one thing I read that said why did the

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<v Speaker 1>Egyptians build pyramids? The very easy answer is is because

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they knew how to build. Yeah, Well, they

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<v Speaker 1>were good at it, and if they would have been

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<v Speaker 1>better at building something else, they probably would have built

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<v Speaker 1>something else. Well. Yeah, I think Also it took until

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<v Speaker 1>um the well about the twentieth century before we started

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<v Speaker 1>using materials and developed materials that you you could build

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<v Speaker 1>a very tall structure out of that didn't require you

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<v Speaker 1>build a pyramid, because you have to have a pyramid

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<v Speaker 1>to build something very high. When you're using something like

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<v Speaker 1>stone blocks or something like that, you keep setting stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on top of each other and it's going to become

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<v Speaker 1>structurally unsound once it's all leaning in on each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and the prevailing um sentiment among archaeologists and anthrop copologists

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<v Speaker 1>to study this kind of stuff is that pyramids are

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately the natural um conclusion evolution from just earthen mounds

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<v Speaker 1>that they think originally were the first stabs at what

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately became pyramids, peaking basically at the Pyramid of Cufu. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they I think there's also probably symbolic, uh, some

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<v Speaker 1>symbolism going on with pyramids coming to a point towards

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<v Speaker 1>the sky. Uh. In the case of Uh, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>Central America with the minds and the Aztecs, there were

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<v Speaker 1>more religious imples, so that it's okay for that, and

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<v Speaker 1>if in case of Egypt, with being a tomb, it

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<v Speaker 1>also makes sense that it would point toward the heavens well.

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<v Speaker 1>With each specifically, they believe that the symbols, the symbolism

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<v Speaker 1>behind the pyramid is that it symbolized this mound that

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<v Speaker 1>the earth was created from in Egyptian cosmology. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. Yeah. Um. So the other are a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of other distinctions between Egyptian pyramids and let's say Central

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<v Speaker 1>American is Central American pyramids were generally wider but smaller

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<v Speaker 1>as I guess not as tall and um they built

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<v Speaker 1>those over hundreds of years, whereas the Great Pyramids and

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<v Speaker 1>Egypt were built over the course of you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, but probably twenty or thirty years. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that's true in some cases. But I ran

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<v Speaker 1>across something that that suggested that at umtan Um they

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<v Speaker 1>would build pairs of pyramids like every twenty years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if it's the case across the board,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that they weren't quite the massive public

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<v Speaker 1>works that Egyptian Pyramids came to be. Yeah. Well, in

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<v Speaker 1>Central America, they were also more located in Aztec in

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<v Speaker 1>mind cities, whereas the Egyptian Pyramids originally we're located away

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<v Speaker 1>from cities. And I remember, I think it was just

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<v Speaker 1>last year that I saw that mind blowing picture of

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the Great Pyramids of Egypt. How

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<v Speaker 1>the city runs right up to the front door basically,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you ever look at an aerial of view,

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<v Speaker 1>I've just never seen one until a year ago. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Wow, I just thought it was literally in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of nowhere and there's a huge city just

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<v Speaker 1>right in front of them. Yeah, and well it makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense though, if you think about it, especially if saying Mesoamerica,

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<v Speaker 1>they were temples. Well, temples were for like public use,

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<v Speaker 1>so you'd want it kind of convenient if you're pyramid

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<v Speaker 1>was used as like a tomb. Humans traditionally bury their

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<v Speaker 1>people slightly away from, you know, their city center, so

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<v Speaker 1>it makes sense that it would be on the outskirts

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<v Speaker 1>of Cairo rather than in it. Yeah, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>The first tombs in Egypt for the pharaohs were just flat,

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<v Speaker 1>boxy buildings. They called them mustabas, which is Arabic for bench,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they started building those on top of each

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<v Speaker 1>other sort of in the uh, you know, they get

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<v Speaker 1>a little smaller, but they still remained flat on top.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't come to a point like a pyramid. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those were step pyramids, and they were the first attempt

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<v Speaker 1>at pyramids. And it's um, it's really strange because the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing was so these pyramids are so so old

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<v Speaker 1>that you think of them just like being you know,

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<v Speaker 1>spanning thousands of years in the way of construction and

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<v Speaker 1>planning and all this stuff, and all the number of

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<v Speaker 1>pharaohs that must have been involved when actually um, Egypt's

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<v Speaker 1>Egypt's pyramids were built within a seven year period and

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<v Speaker 1>basically just for like five pharaohs or so. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not too bad. Yeah, it was like there's a burst

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<v Speaker 1>and then nothing, and then another little bit and then

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<v Speaker 1>nothing after that because it's hard labor. It was hard. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was hard getting labor there. It was hard. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it was very expensive. It's hard getting those rocks there.

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<v Speaker 1>And they also think, remember I said that um Cufu's

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<v Speaker 1>pyramid the most famous pyramid in the world, the one

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<v Speaker 1>as of the tallest one, Um that that was the

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<v Speaker 1>pinnacle of pyramid building. And they think that after that,

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<v Speaker 1>as pyramids started to get smaller and something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>totally unintentioned, they think that as pyramids started to get smaller,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually represents a shift in Egyptian thought where worship

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<v Speaker 1>went from worshiping the pharaoh to worshiping raw and other

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<v Speaker 1>gods Um, so that the deification of the pharaoh diminished

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<v Speaker 1>in size, and you can see that reflected in the

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<v Speaker 1>smaller size of the literally. Yeah, interesting, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I never heard of that. Love it. I love it too.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Great Pyramid of Cufu, which you just mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>is the biggest at a hundred and forty six ms

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<v Speaker 1>high with a two d and thirty meter square base

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<v Speaker 1>and oh, just about six and a half tons of

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<v Speaker 1>rock six and a half million tons. What did I say,

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<v Speaker 1>just six and a half Yeah, that would be that'd

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<v Speaker 1>just be a couple of the rocks. Yeah. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the average side rocks were two point five tons each.

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<v Speaker 1>The model was six point five tons, right, Um, And

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<v Speaker 1>these things have stood at the test of time, to

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<v Speaker 1>say the least. They have worn away some obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>look at them. They still look great. Yeah. And they

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<v Speaker 1>were built like four to five thousand years ago. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>What's really interesting that I didn't realize before was that

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<v Speaker 1>when you saw these things, like in the first year

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<v Speaker 1>that they were completed, or right when they were completed, um,

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<v Speaker 1>they were blinding white. Oh really yeah, So you can

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<v Speaker 1>see like this, the step, the steppy outline. They used

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<v Speaker 1>to be covered so that the sides and the pinnacle

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<v Speaker 1>were smooth, totally smooth, covered in polished limestone. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was like a gleaming white standing out against like the

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<v Speaker 1>bright blue sky, which there were photographs of that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been pretty neat. But over time that

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<v Speaker 1>limestone is eroded away or being removed or whatever. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>And so now you can kind of see the substructure.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we see is like the external sides of

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<v Speaker 1>the pyramid were actually meant to be covered with polished limestone. Wow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was something else. And again we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>like how spectacular feet this this was engineering wise. Things

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<v Speaker 1>were built, you know, forty years ago. Let's say, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cufu Pyramid, Cufoo's pyramid. He was a pharaoh. Um

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<v Speaker 1>his pyramid was the tallest building in the world until

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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean that just

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<v Speaker 1>shows you that it was hard to build things tall. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like people didn't want to know. They wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>I think man is always uh. Striven Strove stroded Strove

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<v Speaker 1>did strid to build things super tall, you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to really reach up to the heavens and punch God

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<v Speaker 1>in the eye. Yeah, that's right, that's the that's why

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<v Speaker 1>they want to build it tall. That's right. Uh. The

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<v Speaker 1>very first stepped pyramid, Uh, the Sakara was completed in

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<v Speaker 1>and that was for the pharaoh. Jo's Er not Gozer.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems pretty close to that. It's so close. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be Gozer. He would have been almost contemporaneous

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<v Speaker 1>that gozer, I would guess. So this one had six

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<v Speaker 1>levels and they tried, um, they attempted another one, another

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<v Speaker 1>six level step pyramid, but that one didn't work out

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<v Speaker 1>so well. So like you know, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a couple of that, you know, learning projects basically. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know you've heard a very famous um Egyptian

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<v Speaker 1>mathematician m Hotep. Yeah, he's actually credited with coming up

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<v Speaker 1>with the idea of taking those mastabas, those bench like

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<v Speaker 1>squat buildings and stacking smaller and diminishing versions of themselves

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<v Speaker 1>to create that first step pyramid, that first zigaratte that

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<v Speaker 1>that was his idea, and um Bubba Hotep, No, not

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<v Speaker 1>that that was a good movie, m Hotel, m Hotep,

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea. By the way, that Bruce Campbell

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<v Speaker 1>was doing an Evil Dead TV show. Is it on? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming like it's super soon. I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>how this escaped me. I had no idea either. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty excited though it's just back. The only way

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<v Speaker 1>it could be better is if it came on right

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<v Speaker 1>after the Muppets up Pretty good Night. That'd be like

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<v Speaker 1>the A Team Night Writer pairing. M hmm, was that well,

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<v Speaker 1>I was back to back. I think they might have been.

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<v Speaker 1>I was never in the night Rider, so I turned

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<v Speaker 1>it off after it. I wasn't the Soups night Rider fan.

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<v Speaker 1>But all right, let's go with Love Boat Fancy Island,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the best two hour pairing in TV history. I

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<v Speaker 1>never really watched the Fantasy Island. I loved Love both.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't allowed to watch Fantasy Island. Well, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>had the word fantasy in the title. We don't want that.

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<v Speaker 1>Um No, I think it was. It was dark and

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't necessarily for kids. But now when I look

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<v Speaker 1>back at it was so silly, Like, I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't allowed to watch this. Well, the whole premise

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<v Speaker 1>of it is just fairly unbelievable. But at Mike Family

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<v Speaker 1>they were probably like, no, it's it's all about sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's fantasy will be about sex. And Ricardo montebon is

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<v Speaker 1>clearly playing the devil. Yeah with this little, uh smaller minion.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, uh? Where were we? Oh, we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about pyramids. It didn't work out so well. Another one

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<v Speaker 1>was the I want to say medium, but it's the

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<v Speaker 1>me edam pyramid or the medium. I've also seen it

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<v Speaker 1>spelled emmy y do you m, which makes it easier.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like made him made him made um that was

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<v Speaker 1>constructed seventy and it had seven steps, uh, heading towards eight,

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<v Speaker 1>but it collapsed. It collap And then there's the bent pyramid,

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<v Speaker 1>which didn't collapse, but they they basically just miscalculated the

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<v Speaker 1>angle and it started to They basically had to change

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<v Speaker 1>the angle after like the first third of it was

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<v Speaker 1>built or two thirds was built. Yeah, So first we

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<v Speaker 1>have dozers Gozer's um step pyramid in Sakara. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>first real inkling of that pyramids are coming. After that,

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<v Speaker 1>we had the pharaoh um oh what his name, Snifferu

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<v Speaker 1>Snifferu and Snifferi was the one who kept having really

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<v Speaker 1>bad luck with pyramids, and it was because he was

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<v Speaker 1>very ambitious, but he was also um dealing with architects

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<v Speaker 1>and engineers who were still figuring this out as they

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<v Speaker 1>were going along. So he had to put up with them.

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<v Speaker 1>The one that collapsed the meat made him yep, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he had to put up with the bent pyramid,

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<v Speaker 1>which still looks good. Did you look it up? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's great, but you can tell, like it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the way it's supposed to look perfect like, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine like a lot of engineers probably lost their

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<v Speaker 1>lives with these failed projects because sniff Uru or snaff

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<v Speaker 1>Au he was fine with like capturing people and forcing

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<v Speaker 1>them to work, and he did a lot of underhanded

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<v Speaker 1>things to build himself a tomb, and the problem was

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<v Speaker 1>this failed attempt one how many decades did that take?

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<v Speaker 1>Failed attempt to how many decades did that take? Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like really freaking out at this point, like

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<v Speaker 1>if this guy dies and we don't have him a tomb,

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<v Speaker 1>like like this is about as bad as it could

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<v Speaker 1>get because I remember, we haven't converted to worshiping raw yet.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's are raw, so we're dis pleasing our god

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<v Speaker 1>and we can see his expression just all I want

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<v Speaker 1>is a straight pyramid like everybody else. So finally they

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<v Speaker 1>hit on it. They build him the Red Pyramid, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is the first genuinely successful pyramid, and he died happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, yeah, And I assume wasn't tombed there, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, I don't know. I didn't run across

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<v Speaker 1>that where he is. I Belu was otherwise that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been I mean, what a waste of time. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing with these pyramids, we still um have

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<v Speaker 1>very little understanding about some really important stuff. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why is because they like in

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<v Speaker 1>Cufou's pyramid, Couper has never been found in there. They

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<v Speaker 1>think it's Coufu's pyramid, but his body's gone. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would guess probably the same thing for sniff sniff Au man,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a tough name to say, Tom Rador's buddy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly probably. All right, Well, I think that you seriously

0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.240
<v Speaker 1>wet the listeners appetite with that tease. So let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a little break and come back and really get into Cufu.

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<v Speaker 1>Al Right, buddy, we might as well just go to

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<v Speaker 1>the big daddy and break it down. Cufu, break it

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<v Speaker 1>down for me, fellas k h u f U also

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<v Speaker 1>known as Cheops. Oh yeah, yeah, that's what the Greeks

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<v Speaker 1>called them. H So that's why the pyramids also called

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<v Speaker 1>the Pyramid of Cheops. I've never heard that um part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Giza pyramid complex. And like we mentioned, the

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<v Speaker 1>big daddy of them all, uh, it was built for

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<v Speaker 1>sniff AU's son Cufu and the other two little guys

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<v Speaker 1>were built for Cafu son uh cofre and the grandson.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh minkow ray. I'll bet it's manka manka ray. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think usually those vowels are split to like a

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<v Speaker 1>different part of the word man Making any sense you

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<v Speaker 1>are to me, But I know what you're trying to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I speak chuck, that's right. Uh So it is um

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<v Speaker 1>the largest and most elaborate in the one, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where we've learned the most from basically in its construction.

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<v Speaker 1>Still has a lot of secrets, man, a lot of secrets,

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<v Speaker 1>including how they built it. Yeah, no idea. Well, let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the insides first. Let's sorry the guts. Uh. First,

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<v Speaker 1>you have your primary burial chamber. That's the King's chamber,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where the tomb is. That's where the sarcophagus is.

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<v Speaker 1>Body in there. No, nope, What else is inside? Chuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Um hieroglyphics that say tell stories of life at that time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like little TV shows on the wall. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The queen's chamber a little smaller, but not for the queen.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right? That's right? They call that a misnomer. Yeah, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently people who stumbled upon it or entered it years

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<v Speaker 1>and years on after the Faronic dynasties had died out

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<v Speaker 1>um misinterpreted it and that when they were building this

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<v Speaker 1>they were worried that Cufu was going to die. So

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<v Speaker 1>some of the first things they did were building burial chambers,

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<v Speaker 1>and then as he lived in the pyramid kept going

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<v Speaker 1>under construction, they built a newer, better burial chamber, and

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<v Speaker 1>so there's ultimately three burial chambers, and he's in the

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<v Speaker 1>king's chamber supposedly that's where a psychophagus is. That's right. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you have weight relieving chambers. These are above the king's

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<v Speaker 1>chambers and their structural um basically to distribute weight and

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<v Speaker 1>to keep everything from collapsing in on the king. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because that would be bad too. Yeah. They're like these

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<v Speaker 1>long slabs and then there's a gable. So there's like

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<v Speaker 1>long rectangular slabs. I think there's four or five of

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<v Speaker 1>them maybe, and then a wooden gable is it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was rock. And the whole thing is

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<v Speaker 1>it's like all that pressure that's pushing down towards the

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<v Speaker 1>center of the triangle, it takes it and just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of deflects it outward away from that hole in the inside.

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<v Speaker 1>The um, the pyramid, the feat of engineering. Um. The

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<v Speaker 1>gallery is a big passageway with a vaulted ceiling. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you understand what the corbelled ceiling is? Yeah? So

0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, like if you have a like a breakfast bar,

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<v Speaker 1>those two things that come out and hold it up,

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<v Speaker 1>those are corbells. So they had these things that are

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<v Speaker 1>like corbell's going up and basically it says here that

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<v Speaker 1>forms like a primitive arch. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Um,

0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.840
<v Speaker 1>you have passageways connecting everything because you have to get around.

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<v Speaker 1>You have an air shaft where they think the uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the spirit of those into him there would rise through

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<v Speaker 1>to the heavens. I guess the ideas you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to fully enclose a tomb or a pyramid, gotta let

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<v Speaker 1>the soul out, sure, but creep out what else? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course the exterior rocks that have eroded away. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently the reason why we're quite sure that all

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<v Speaker 1>these things were aligned with limestone rocks is because Cafres

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<v Speaker 1>tomb uh Sneferus Snifferu's great grandson, there's still some limestone

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<v Speaker 1>rock on the top. Oh nice, that hasn't fully eroded, man,

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<v Speaker 1>after all these years. Yeah, so these are the things

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<v Speaker 1>that have been found over the over the years of

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<v Speaker 1>exploring these pyramids, right, But what really kind of surprised

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<v Speaker 1>me was that there's a lot of stuff that is

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<v Speaker 1>still being found. There's a lot of parts inside of

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<v Speaker 1>the pyramids that they're like, what is this or why

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<v Speaker 1>is there a door in this passage with some copper handles?

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<v Speaker 1>What's beyond it? Now? Is this because they haven't fully

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<v Speaker 1>excavated Yeah, okay, so they're still doing this. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The um I can't remember his name, but the former

0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:05.800
<v Speaker 1>head of Egypt's antiquities before the revolution, um I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like super like science educator guy. They call him

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<v Speaker 1>India Egypt's Indiana Jones. Okay, I thought you gonna say

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.919
<v Speaker 1>Neil the grass Tyson. He's like Egypt's Neil de grass Tyson.

0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:21.360
<v Speaker 1>He could host Cosmos if you wanted to. He um

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<v Speaker 1>he is. He's been walking around lately saying, hey, there's

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of undiscovered stuff in these pyramids. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>very loose grasp the structure of them so far. Well,

0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and it's tough to get in there to do the work. Um,

0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I know the permitting process and is rigorous obviously, so

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:41.680
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's hard to know. This guy we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about later that has a new theory on how

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 1>they're built, he's having a hard time getting in there

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:48.840
<v Speaker 1>to prove it. Yeah, but luckily they're starting to use

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 1>robots more and more to explore it, and that's starting

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<v Speaker 1>to yield some some interesting stuff. Did not know that either.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well let's um, if you're gonna build a pyramid, Uh,

0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 1>you don't just say let's get a bunch of rocks

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and start going. Um. First, like any building, you need

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:09.679
<v Speaker 1>to do a survey and excavate the land. Because they

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 1>learned pretty early on that you're the land that it's on,

0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and the foundation is super super duper important. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the reasons the first one collapse

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<v Speaker 1>is because they didn't do the foundation right. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be level and again it's kind of in part

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>how impressive the cufu's pyramid is. What did you say,

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>it's um it's base was it is a two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty meter square base. Yeah, it's level within less

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<v Speaker 1>than an inch. Yeah, that's remarkable. So you get the busier,

0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:48.880
<v Speaker 1>the master builder involved. And they do have some theories

0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 1>on how they did this leveling. UM. One was that

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<v Speaker 1>they poured water onto the site, and water is the

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<v Speaker 1>great leveler, and they would level the material above it,

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<v Speaker 1>above that water line, wait for the water level to drain,

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.399
<v Speaker 1>I guess, and then just continue removing material until it

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 1>was flat. Great idea. Yeah, and it's like, you know,

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:15.359
<v Speaker 1>self leveling concrete is way more soupy than uh, like

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 1>regular concrete, because it's gonna find if it's watery, it's

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna find its own level, right all right. Uh. And

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>then another way that they may have done it is

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<v Speaker 1>so they found that um their post holes at regular

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 1>intervals of I think ten cubits, and a cubit is

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<v Speaker 1>the distance from the your elbow inside your arm to

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 1>the tip of your middle finger, so every ten of

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<v Speaker 1>those there would be a post hole. And they think

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<v Speaker 1>that possibly they laid out the foundation site as they

0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 1>were excavating, into a grid pattern and hung plumb bobs

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>from these lines. And that's just like a weight that

0:25:55.320 --> 0:26:00.439
<v Speaker 1>looks like um, like an elongated brass top and it

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.440
<v Speaker 1>hangs down and where it hangs is the level point,

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>and then you can excavate down to that that reference point,

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>and then you know everything's level if all of your

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:12.440
<v Speaker 1>plumb bobs are touching the same ground. Yeah, and that's

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 1>still like if you go to build a backyard fence yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna use these same techniques today. Right, it's pretty neat.

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<v Speaker 1>My money's on the water excavation. They they we already

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 1>know that they dug canals from the Nile toward the

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Giza pyramid sites. Why not just built a little further

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and flood the area as needed to excavate. You know,

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. That's that's a minus. But first, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to figure out because these pyramids are all

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<v Speaker 1>oriented along um north south east west right. Yeah, they

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>run parallel to these xs, so like they're there, I

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>believe they're facing true north. This is pre compass, its

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 1>pre north star. Yeah, the north star wasn't even the

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 1>sky there then. Um. Instead, they had to follow some

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.919
<v Speaker 1>of the circumpolar star and they were doing things like

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 1>measuring shadows to calculate where true north was. And then

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 1>once they calculated true north, they could use right angles

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:13.200
<v Speaker 1>to determine where uh, southeast and west were that's amazing.

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.439
<v Speaker 1>And then once they had that, then they had to

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<v Speaker 1>start doing the planning out the site in a grid

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 1>and excavating everything down. That's right. Uh. Using cubits and

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 1>hands was the other unit of measurement, which is, uh,

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 1>you say something so many hands wide, it's the width

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>of your hand with your thumb along the side. Yeah,

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.960
<v Speaker 1>And they still use that to um measure horses or

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>to describe horse heights, like twenty hands high. That's a

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that's decent height with it's at a big horse or

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.679
<v Speaker 1>small horse hands. I think that might be like a

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>giant freak of nature horse. Yeah. I usually here like

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 1>fourteen or sixteen. Hey, that's off to the triple ground winner, right, Yeah.

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>American Pharaoh whoa which, by the way, Pharaoh was misspelled

0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 1>in his name, and they knew it early on, but

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 1>they were like, well, we're just gonna leave it like that.

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Um so pharaoh. Yeah, pretty neat history. That was pretty great. Yeah.

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.439
<v Speaker 1>I watched Um, I did watch that, and you know,

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm not into horse racing, but I knew what was

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 1>coming on and I was like, well, it's only a

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>few minutes, so I just don't watch any of the

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>other stuff of the two hour podcast, and I just

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>turned it on to hear that call. You know, it's

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 1>always great here in a good horse racing call. That

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 1>thing led the whole way. Yeah, there was really no doubt.

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 1>And I love that jockey. Yeah, because he had he

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:34.679
<v Speaker 1>had had several attempts right at the time. He raced

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 1>California Chrome last year, so we had a shot at

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the Triple Crown and I couldn't pull it out. And

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 1>this year he did good for him, all right, So

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I guess we should talk about how they actually build

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>these things. Now, you gotta get rocks there, that's the

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>first step. Yeah, and some of the rock did come

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 1>from Giza, like the rocks. The pyramid structure itself is

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>made largely of limes stone, and there was limestone quarries

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 1>around the Giza site. But they also had to get

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 1>rocks from elsewhere. Yeah. The granite they think came up

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the river from a swan. They have alabaster from lux

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>or basalt from the Phioum Depression, which I didn't see

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>where the basil was used, however, it's pronounced by salt

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>is it? I don't know, um, And of course you

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 1>know they don't have iron at this point, so they're

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>not using iron to cut. They're using copper and stone

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>cutting tools to shape these things. But you have to

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>get them there, which is you know, I think of

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the neatest thing about the Pyramids is over the years

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>is trying to figure out how they did it all

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>because they didn't leave a record. Um, you know, it's

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>just been this great mystery for architecture and archaeological nerds

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>to try and figure out. Yeah. So the first step

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>is like, all right, well, how did they get all

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>these rocks here to begin with? So? Um Again, these

0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 1>rocks were on average about two and a half tons

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 1>per rock. Yeah, so they didn't just lift them and

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.479
<v Speaker 1>carry them. No, the Gypsies were familiar with the wheel,

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>but the wheel would have been totally useless in the

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>sand at Giza. Um, so they figure. I think the

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 1>general sentiment of how they moved rocks, especially once from

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:19.719
<v Speaker 1>local quarries at Giza was by sled and rope. And

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>they had um, maybe ten men or fewer if they

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 1>could um pull these uh two and a half ton

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>rocks on sleds towards the site. So that's how they

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 1>would have moved them from the quarry. If they were

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 1>moving them from like lux Or or elsewhere, they would

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>have put them on rafts. And again they dug canals

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>from the Nile towards the Giza construction site. I bet

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>people loved being on that duty. Like the raft one well, yeah,

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>like just get it on this barge and then float it.

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:50.719
<v Speaker 1>And the other guys were like, are you kidding me?

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I have to pull this thing on the sand sled.

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>And then there's another way that um that they think.

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>They may have put them on little quarter circle sleds,

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>strapped them around it and just kind of twisted them

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>like you would twist a beer keg. Yeah, yeah, that

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>makes sense too. I would guess flat sleds. Although why

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 1>does it have to just be one or the other? Well,

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>that was what I was wondering when I was reading this.

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>It could have been a combination of methods. Yeah, Like

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>these guys are sled masters, so let them do that, right.

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>These guys have rolled a beer keg or two in

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>their day, so they can try that method. They've also

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 1>theorized about wooden rollers like logs and things. Makes sense.

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>The only problem is is um Timber was not a

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>local commodity. Yeah, that would that would have been widespread

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 1>enough to supply this thing, and it would have been

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 1>very expensive well, which is another reason, because they have

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 1>some super weighty timber on the interior of these pyramids,

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and they also have wondered about that. I think it's

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 1>probably cedar from Lebanon. That's what I kept coming across

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>that the would that they were known to have used

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>was from Lebanon and it was cedar an e seater.

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>I bet that's good stuff. It was expensive back in

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 1>the day. Um. So when it comes to actually building

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the pyramid itself, you've got so you've managed to get

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>all the rocks here. Um, you know what, we'll take

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a break and we will talk a little bit about

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 1>some of the competing theories right after this. All right,

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>you got all your rocks. You're the foreman, you're the

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 1>what's it called, the the visier. You're the visier on

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 1>site who, by the way, Cufu's visier was his brother. Yeah. Yeah,

0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>And if you were a visier, like you were pretty

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 1>well respecting, you've got your own little step pyramid tomb yourself. Sure,

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>So let's say you're that person. You've got your little

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>hard head on. You've got all these rocks, how do

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>you What are the theories they use like a pulley,

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>they use a crane. Uh well, there are a lot

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>of competing theories and they do involve cranes, they involve ramps, um,

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and none of them have been proven. So let's talk

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 1>about like the ramp. One man, they figured out that

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>with a ramp you can't have when you're dealing with

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 1>two and a half ton of stones. And this is

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 1>from how to Build a Pyramid, which is from I

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 1>think a two thousand seven article in Archaeology magazine. Yeah,

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Bob Bryer, it's really good article, it is. It's a

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 1>great article. Um. But he points out that you really

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>can't have a grade of more than about eight percent.

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>So if you're using a straight ramp leading up to

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the pyramid site, as this thing gets taller and taller

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>and you eventually hit a hundred and forty six meters,

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 1>to maintain just an eight percent slope, you would have

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 1>to have a mile long ramp at that point. And

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>they said that's not very likely because that would have

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>been just as big of an undertaking is building a pyramid. Yeah,

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>it would have taken up about as along the build

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>and the timber, like you mentioned a lot of timber,

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>which they didn't have tons of, and they would have

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 1>built built it up over time, because you can't just

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 1>have a hundred and forty six ramp to start off

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>with and then drop the blocks in place below. You

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 1>would just slowly build up the ramp, but eventually it

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>would just become too unwieldy to have a mile long ramp. Yeah.

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 1>And we're not the first people to question this. I mean,

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>thousands of years ago, um people, historians were trying to

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 1>figure it out as well. He wrote. He wrote it

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>us Uh in four fifty b c. Said that they

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 1>use machines, but no one really knows what he meant

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 1>by machines a lot, but it could be a crane. Uh.

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.840
<v Speaker 1>And then three hundred years after that, Deodorus of Sicily

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>said the construction was affected by mounds, which would be ramps.

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>So that's why these are the two the two longest

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>standing competing theories. The problem is is these Greeks came

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.919
<v Speaker 1>along thousands of years after the pyramids had already been built.

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 1>It's not like they witnessed the construction. They were just

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>there their Yeah. Um, so with Herodotus or Herodotus, you know,

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I've seen his name in print so

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>many times, but I don't think i've ever heard it.

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I'd say Herodotus sounds good. Say that, um his idea

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.320
<v Speaker 1>of these machines that have been taken to mean cranes.

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 1>We know that the Egyptians were familiar with cranes and

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:24.280
<v Speaker 1>use cranes, and that you could use cranes to build

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 1>a substantial portion of the pyramids. The problem is, as

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 1>you got closer and closer to the top, the leads

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 1>you were dealing with is say about eighteen inches, and

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 1>you can't support a crane like that. So the they

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>thought potentially that if they did use cranes, they use

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>series of small cranes that would just kind of hand

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 1>off like basically a bucket brigade of cranes handing off

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 1>one rock after the other. They were like levers, and

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:53.280
<v Speaker 1>they were called they use these are called shadoofs um

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.919
<v Speaker 1>and if you look up chadoof and image it there.

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>They would use it to get water out of the

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 1>river and stuff. And it's basically like just a lever

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 1>that someone would pull on one end or will be

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.399
<v Speaker 1>waited and dip down into the water and then pull

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:07.759
<v Speaker 1>up a bunch of stuff with a bucket. I guess, yeah,

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of good Nile River water. Yes. So, like

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 1>you said, that theory is not very well excepted these days.

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 1>The crane Yeah, well, oh not for completion at least. Yeah,

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and again like why just use one method if something

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:25.720
<v Speaker 1>makes this part faster and then you have to switch

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.319
<v Speaker 1>to this other part faster. Clearly these people had the

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>smarts to pull off this incredible feet of engineering. Um,

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>So I would think that they wouldn't have tunnel vision

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and that they would probably be willing to use different techniques.

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's possible that the cranes were used to

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 1>build the base. They'd have pyramid vision, right. Uh so

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 1>with the ramp, so the big long ramp is probably out. Um,

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>they had another theory that well, maybe it was like, um,

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a ramp that just wound up and around the pyramid

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 1>like a mountain road is cut into the side of

0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:00.160
<v Speaker 1>the mountain. That sort of makes sense too. It is

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the big problem with that is that the mound outside

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 1>of the pyramid covers up the corners as you're building it,

0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>and as you're building it. You really need to be

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 1>able to measure the corners pretty frequently, because if you don't,

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 1>then those corners may not come together at a point

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 1>at top and SNIFFERU is going to be very mad, right,

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.360
<v Speaker 1>So that one, to me is probably the least likely

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the external um ramps. That and co enclose the site agreed. Um.

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:35.959
<v Speaker 1>And maybe I'm a bandwagon ear, but I just read

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>this article that you sent, and so I'm going with

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Jean Pierre Udine's theory that there were ramps, but there

0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>were an external ramp that was the need to be

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that long, and then once they got to the point

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 1>where the grade was too much, they used that ramp,

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>cannibalized it, and then had an interior ramp, yeah, to

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:58.279
<v Speaker 1>finish it off, right. So Um, the thing about an

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 1>interior ramp is that you would be able to leave

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the exterior corners exposed, You'd be able to build inside,

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>You'll be able to keep it at an eight percent

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>grade tops um, and you wouldn't have to build this huge,

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>massive public work that was as big as the pyramid itself,

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 1>like a hundred and forty six mile long ramp. It

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>would explain how you would build the whole thing without cranes,

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 1>because you're just getting closer and closer and closer to

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the to the inside the interior of it as you're

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:34.240
<v Speaker 1>building up right. Yeah. Um, the only problem is, Chuck,

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>is if there's an interior ramp, how would you possibly

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.240
<v Speaker 1>remove that? You wouldn't it would being closed in the site.

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 1>So obviously this has been debunked right, well now it hasn't, um,

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>he believes and others have gotten on board that there

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 1>is still an interior ramp in there. What But that

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>was my question. Have they not explored enough of this

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 1>to find this thing? No? Okay, And actually there was

0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>an nineteen six survey, but I think a French team, um,

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:08.280
<v Speaker 1>and there they found some anomaly that they couldn't explain,

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:10.880
<v Speaker 1>so they just ignored it basically. And it wasn't until

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 1>two thousand that Jean Pierre hu Dan's father, Henri hu Dan,

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 1>who was an engineer himself, just happened to be chatting

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.359
<v Speaker 1>with one of these guys from the nineteen eighties six

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>survey and um, the guy said like, yeah, there's this

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>anomaly and he described it to him and basically what

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 1>he described as far as the Udans are concerned, is

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 1>this internal ramp. They're like, what is it? It's anomally,

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:35.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like a big looks like a big, well worn

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 1>ramp right seven degree slope. Who cares. But supposedly the

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 1>way that they first discovered this was that a fox

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<v Speaker 1>popped out of an undiscovered crevice or previously undiscovered crevice

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 1>toward the top of the pyramid or halfway up, and

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 1>they're like, how did this desert fox get up there?

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:58.879
<v Speaker 1>Probably did not climb all this way up. They think

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<v Speaker 1>he probably went into an other undiscovered hole towards the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom and then use the ramp and came out the top.

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>And that is further evidence that there's a ramp in there. Yeah,

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 1>there is another little piece of evidence that they point to.

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Um there was a notch, a corner notch from the

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:19.759
<v Speaker 1>ramp used for turning the blocks, and it is exactly

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<v Speaker 1>where two thirds of the way up on the northeast corner,

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>right where Udine predicted there would be one if you

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 1>were to use this kind of ramp piece, like, there

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>should be a notch right there, And there was a notch,

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I think where the inside right, Yeah, pretty neat. Uh.

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 1>And then finally they used um, something called micro uh

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>grab immetry. It's a it's a I don't even understand

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.439
<v Speaker 1>how it works. Do you know? It's a surveying method. Yeah,

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 1>it's magic, right, um. And basically what it does is

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>it enables them to measure density. Yeah. So like if

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.399
<v Speaker 1>if you're measuring a part of the pyramid and it's

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 1>just solid rock, it's going to be very dense. If

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.239
<v Speaker 1>you find a part of the pyramid that's kind of

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>this open tunnel like a ramp, it's going to be

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 1>less tense. So I think that's where that's from that

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.280
<v Speaker 1>survey where they turned up the anomaly that they ignored.

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:20.320
<v Speaker 1>That's the impression. I have one other thing that um

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:22.839
<v Speaker 1>it was a very long standing myth thanks to our

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 1>friends the Greeks, who just made stuff up apparently two

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>thousand years after the fact, was that um, it took

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:34.399
<v Speaker 1>about a hundred thousand slaves to build the pyramids at Giza. Yeah,

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 1>mistreated um slaves, forced into labor, and it took a

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand of them. Probably not true. No, Supposedly, thanks

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 1>to h Harvard archaeologist Mark Laner, he conducted a two

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:51.800
<v Speaker 1>thousand to survey and he found evidence to quite the contrary. Yeah.

0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 1>And then later on in two thousand and ten, um,

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 1>just a few years ago, they found tombs of workers discovered, um,

0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 1>and they basically said, like the way that they were

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 1>buried and entombed, like slaves would never have been honored

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.439
<v Speaker 1>in this way. There's lots of evidence they were really

0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 1>well fed. Yeah. They said that um, twenty one cows

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and twenty three sheep per day, um was what these

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:18.360
<v Speaker 1>people were eating. So a lot of bread. They found

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 1>evidence of, like basically industrial scale bakeries to bake bread

0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 1>for the workers. Oh huh. And there was evidence of

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:32.240
<v Speaker 1>basically permanent occupation there that said that there were probably

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 1>between two thousand and four thousand workers on hand at

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:38.360
<v Speaker 1>any time, but that maybe thirty thousand total over the

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 1>like the twenty years constructed the pyramid. Yeah. I saw

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the word. They had worked out somewhere between ten and

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 1>thirty thousand that worked in three month shifts. Uh. And

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:49.719
<v Speaker 1>they said, you know, while they weren't slaves, they said

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.919
<v Speaker 1>it was tough stuff, Like there was evidence of arthritis

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:57.759
<v Speaker 1>and bad backs and all the things inherent in pyramid building. Um.

0:42:57.760 --> 0:42:59.799
<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't like, you know, it was easy going.

0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 1>But it makes sense that you know you, if you

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 1>want these things built, you have to have a strong workforce,

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 1>which means you have to take care of them and

0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>feed them. You know, ye, pay them, pay the payment

0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:14.359
<v Speaker 1>fish pay me. Yeah, that's what they said, ye at

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:19.399
<v Speaker 1>the end of every shift. That's right. So anything else? No, man,

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 1>that's Egyptian pyramids. Uh. Yeah. If you want to know

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 1>more about pyramids, type that word in a search bar

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 1>at how stuff works dot com. And since I said

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:33.920
<v Speaker 1>search bars, time for a listener, Mayo. I'm gonna call

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:38.279
<v Speaker 1>this Australian radio show. I was just talking about us.

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Did you see this? No? So that there's a show

0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:44.919
<v Speaker 1>apparently the biggest radio show in Sydney called the Kyle

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and Jackie oh Show. Did you see this or hear it? No?

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I haven't been to I flew through Sydney once for

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 1>like ten minutes. I have a chance to listen to

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 1>the radio. I mean, did you see the email? No?

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. Okay, that's the second time you made me

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>admit that. Sorry. Hey guys, I've been listening to you

0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>for years and I adore you both. I also listened

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 1>to the Kyle and Jackie Oshow, which is the biggest

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:10.319
<v Speaker 1>radio show in Sydney. That was a good thanks. I

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 1>love them too. I have to say that I'm quite

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:15.400
<v Speaker 1>disappointed in them because the female co host, Jackie, found

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 1>out about your podcasts and took the piss on the air.

0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:23.880
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's Australian for gave us a hard time. Um,

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 1>gave us the business, gave us a business, and then

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 1>proceeded to share the information you gave in a podcast

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:32.359
<v Speaker 1>if you want to hear it from the June eighth episode. Um,

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 1>and it is a podcast as well, about twelve minutes in.

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 1>It's actually about nine minutes in, and they talked about

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 1>us for about six minutes. What did they say, Well, Um,

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 1>here's here's I hope JACKIEO was listening. You seem awesome,

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Jackie Oh, because she seems she's sort of made fun

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 1>of us, you know that when nds and stuff like that,

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and that we just ramble. But she you could tell

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:56.799
<v Speaker 1>she was getting to the show because she even said,

0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to get addicted and she starts reciting facts

0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:02.840
<v Speaker 1>from the show. Too late for you, JACKIEO. This Kyle

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>guy is the equivalent of one of our morning radio

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:08.880
<v Speaker 1>show hosts here in States. Does he have like one

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 1>of those bike horns that he squeaks a lot? He

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 1>might as well. He's he's like asking about the show,

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:15.359
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, well, you know, like how color works,

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, how cat I wax, Like, what do

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.399
<v Speaker 1>you mean? He said, pencil's yella, I want to buy

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 1>a yellow pencil? Podcast over Oh yeah. That was like,

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 1>clearly this guy's not on our team. Well, I don't

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 1>want to he's I don't know, team Chuck. Okay, I

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:35.319
<v Speaker 1>don't want to insult the guy. He insulted us. He

0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:37.799
<v Speaker 1>certainly didn't seem to get it that there could be

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 1>more to color than as a yellow pencil. That was

0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good uh oh man, what was the guy?

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 1>What was the band manager from Fly of the concordse name? Mary? Yeah,

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't good Murray. I love that show. Kyle equals Murray,

0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:56.479
<v Speaker 1>so h Kyle's just doesn't get it. Um he said

0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>it sounded awful. They played a bit of it, oh yeah,

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and talked about it a lot. I don't remember licensing

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 1>that to them. Well, and at the end she she

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:05.800
<v Speaker 1>basically said, you know what I'll do is keep listening.

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:07.960
<v Speaker 1>And then what they say in forty five minutes I

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:09.800
<v Speaker 1>can just break down for you, guys, and three or

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.719
<v Speaker 1>four minutes of bullet points. Okay, I'm pretty sure that

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Kyle and Jackie have just started in international flame war

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 1>with us. Uh, so to continue the email. Oh yeah,

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>they clearly don't get it, guys, So let me apologize

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:26.959
<v Speaker 1>on behalf of your other Aussie fans. Uh. You guys

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>have added so much to the quality of my life,

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 1>and I credit you both forgetting me through periods of

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.640
<v Speaker 1>intense anxiety where I could not function without having you

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 1>both in my head distracting me from my own thoughts.

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I can guarantee you Kyle has never been told that. No,

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>I still adore you now that I'm better, and I

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 1>can safely press pause sometimes without even hyperventilating. Thank you

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:46.799
<v Speaker 1>for all you do. Please never stop doing it. And

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:49.840
<v Speaker 1>that is Laura. Thank you Laura. And she said, PS,

0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:51.319
<v Speaker 1>I went on a date with a guy last week.

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 1>You looked exactly like Chuck, and I have to admit

0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 1>that is the main reason I agreed to go. Did

0:46:55.719 --> 0:47:00.160
<v Speaker 1>he sound like Chuck? Wink wink? Three? X is is

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that hugs your kisses? Uh? That is up for debate,

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:09.879
<v Speaker 1>But I say xes or kisses and ohs are hugs Yeah,

0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:11.759
<v Speaker 1>asked her how the date went. She was like, well,

0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going on a date number two, so it's like,

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 1>well they can all be me right. We had a

0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 1>good ill be chuck. We need a T shirt that

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:23.320
<v Speaker 1>says that they can all. Hats off to you, Jackie O,

0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>because you seem to get it, um clearly, my lady.

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, Jackie Oh, I thought you were talking about

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.840
<v Speaker 1>no Laura. Laura definitely gets it right. Jackie O seems

0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to get it. She's starting to it. Does not get it.

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Kyle ever will Man and I'm okay

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 1>with that me too. Uh. If you want to tell

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:45.040
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0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:48.480
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0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:50.560
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