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Speaker 1: Wow. Podcast starts now, Good morning, George, Good morning. Oh

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Speaker 1: coffee out of a large bowl, you could say, I'm

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Speaker 1: drinking a nice cold brew out of a little plastic Okay,

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Speaker 1: so kind of a different vine, so kind of a

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Speaker 1: different vibe, and yet it's still valid and beautiful. In

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Speaker 1: the morning, all identities are valid. And then as the

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Speaker 1: day goes on slowly, more and more people are marginalized. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they get eliminated, their their identities get a limit needed,

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Speaker 1: and that's how it works. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Stradio lab the podcast that takes place in

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Speaker 1: the morning Stradio Lab AM, I mean their spinoff, Stradio

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Speaker 1: Lab Am where we talk like this, where we talk

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Speaker 1: like this and we're a little bit cozy and a

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Speaker 1: little bit different. Um, I feel my head is so clear,

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Speaker 1: me too. I'm so glad you said that. I feel

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Speaker 1: my head is so clear, because you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: inundated with the thoughts of the day, or like we

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Speaker 1: have no idea what the big thing on Twitter will

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Speaker 1: be later. We are we are a blank slate only

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Speaker 1: flowing with our own creativity, creativity and energy. It is

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Speaker 1: you underestimate because that moment, I'll say this, there's the

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Speaker 1: is it useful? Information? Is an important information? No? I

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Speaker 1: It's gotten to the point where I even think doing

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Speaker 1: my morning routine it takes about four hours. I wake

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Speaker 1: it's very inefficient and No, that's not inefficient. That's good.

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Speaker 1: Are you taking advantage of those four hours? Well, I

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Speaker 1: I mean I have between business meetings. Yes, I have

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Speaker 1: up God. I should I mention what happened in with Marcia.

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Speaker 1: Please remind me well I was wearing my new cross earring.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, and now we're coming back. I'm remembering, Okay,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. I was wearing First of all, I attended

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Speaker 1: I showed up. I was wearing a cross earring, which

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Speaker 1: And now about fashion. The thing is, it's like the

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Speaker 1: You're you think my entire aura does say wink? Okay,

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Speaker 1: you every single day to wake up and have to

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Speaker 1: it's I'm not wearing my wink on my sleeve right

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Speaker 1: literally literally, I don't make our friend Joe Castle Baker,

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Speaker 1: for instance, who has a giant sleeve of the palm tree,

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Speaker 1: is wake up every day concerned whether he reads his wink. No,

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Speaker 1: he knows he reads it, and he walks around like that.

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Speaker 1: He walks around with a confidence of someone who knows

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Speaker 1: I love your shirt and I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: thank you. And then he was like where's it from?

425
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, like shamefully like, oh, it's

426
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: from Zara And he was like, what's Zara? Oh my god.

427
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: He's free. He's free. He's the only person that I

428
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: know that's truly free. Yeah. Do you know what else?

429
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: He's free? Do you know what else? Is actually scary

430
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: and frightening and actually now this is a horror podcast.

431
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: When my sister was visiting me, she bought two pairs

432
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: of shorts at H and M. Realized they didn't fit

433
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: her and she wanted to return them. She left them

434
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Speaker 1: for me to return because there's no H and M

435
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. Let's move to Pittsburgh. Let's move is that

436
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: we moved to Pittsburgh and go. I remember, like the

437
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: joy of like taking my like aunt and uncle who

438
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: lived in Canada to like a moojie for the first time.

439
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: Is there's nothing more important than I've taken many of

440
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: my family members to a moogie for the first time,

441
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: and like multiple multiple people have come back and been like,

442
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: can we go back to that that amazing Japanese store again?

443
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: It is amazing. It is amazing. So it is. And

444
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: things like there was a when I said, in Sanrancisco

445
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: there was this very tweet chocolate store. It only sold

446
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: artisanal chocolates, which we like. Roll our eyes and we're like, okay,

447
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: of course that would be in like this cute neighborhood

448
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: at San Francisco. I took my mom to it. She

449
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: wasn't heaven. You could not believe it. I mean, it's sweet.

450
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: We're also jaded. Sometimes you forget and also you forget

451
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: like the access to artisanal treats that we have in

452
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: the city that like, yeah, like my mom grew up

453
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: in Iran with like amazing bakeries. Everything was like fresh,

454
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: everything was like gorgeous. And then she would like go

455
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: to the bakery in Newark, Delaware and be eating like

456
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: Chriscoe filling on like dry cracker, and she'd be like,

457
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: what the fuck, like so his stoff. But this is

458
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: this is a thing though with like artisanal stuff is

459
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: like similarly, bakeries in Greece are like just the thing

460
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: that exists everywhere and everything is like fifty cents and

461
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: it is like just the most delicious pastry you could

462
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: ever imagine. And it is truly I'm not even exaggerating

463
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: when I say it's like a dollar. And then to

464
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: then like to then go and get like a loaf

465
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: of bread at a bakery and have that be a

466
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: big purchase is like is so insulting to in fact,

467
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: my ethnic heritage. So the artisanal thing is a double

468
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: edged sword because on the one hand, yes, so lucky

469
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: that we have access to it, and I will never

470
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: stop thinking God because I am religious because of my earring.

471
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: On the other hand, it's like it's offensive and bread

472
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: should not be expensive if everyone, if we lived in

473
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: a healthy society. I have this thing which is honestly

474
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: sometimes like a test that I have, like when I'm

475
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: dating with people, but now it's just like kind of

476
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: a general test or an ideal breaker. But it does

477
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: like cut me deep into my soul. When you say

478
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: to somebody there are two categories of people there. There's

479
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: when you say to them, oh, should we go get

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00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: a donut? Or oh, this is a really good ice

481
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: cream store should we go? And they say yes, or

482
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: they say and then maybe they do say yes eventually,

483
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: but the hesitation was there that hurts me. I get it.

484
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: I totally get it. I don't think everybody needs to

485
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: eat ice cream all the time if they don't want to.

486
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: But the rejection that I feel when there's hesitation or

487
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: resistance to the suggestion of getting a treat, it feels personal. Wow,

488
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: this I'm I'm unfortunately I would be the like m oh,

489
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'll go with you, because oh god,

490
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: that's humiliating. That's humiliating. And I've done that before. Because

491
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: sweets don't do it sweet like yeah, and it's not

492
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: like they just like like I much prefer like a

493
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: burrito to like a doughnut. Like I'm a i'm when

494
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm on my own, and I'm a yes when I'm

495
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: with another person. That to me, the permission I need

496
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: is for another person to be there, and then it

497
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: doesn't count. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I also just think

498
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna eat the doughnut, just like eat

499
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: the doughnut, like also the slap in the VID. You know,

500
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: you've given me this monologue before, literally with that when

501
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: we got pasta and you're like, and you know what,

502
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say. If you want to eat the doughnut,

503
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: eat the doughnut because we were ordering some things we ordered. Yeah,

504
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: well I want to hear the end of that. Yes, yes, yes, please,

505
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: because I have not heard this monologue before. Well just

506
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: that now I feel like hack and whatever George quoted

507
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: his own Twitter earlier, so personal interaction that's now just

508
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: because it's my truth. But I do just truly feel

509
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: like if you're going to get just ert, don't be

510
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: like wow, should we well should we split it? Because

511
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: I think that makes the dessert taste worse. I think

512
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: if you're going to choose to eat the pasta, choose

513
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: to order the cremebrew let, then just order it and

514
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: eat it and don't talk about don't don't smear anything

515
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: negative on it or like ruin the vibe. You already

516
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: ordered it, so just fucking eat it. And if you

517
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: don't want to eat pasta, and then get a fucking

518
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: Ridicio salad and shut the funk up. Don't even get

519
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: me started on ridicio salad too, better too. I don't

520
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: care if it's deep bloating. I don't want a salad

521
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: that's too bitter. Yeah, it's see in the back of

522
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: the tongue like it tastes. It literally tastes like medicine.

523
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: It tastes like medicine. Do you want to know a

524
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: huge secret to ridiculous salad? Please put in if you're

525
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: making yourself, put in dates and put in lemon zest.

526
00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: Suddenly everything comes together because they cut the bitterness. That's smart,

527
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, this is what I was. I want to

528
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: know a secret to ridicio salad? Skip it, honey, You're

529
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna eat the doughnut. Eat the doughnut. You're so right

530
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: though that it's like if you infuse it with negativity,

531
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: then in fact, then at that point, don't eat it,

532
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: because then you're eating something that has been infused with negativity.

533
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: Would you want that? It's very like relationship on the rocks.

534
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: It's like, well, if you're going to stay together, you

535
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: better stick with it, like commit, you have to mentally commit,

536
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: but if you're because if you're like, oh, should we

537
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: the whole time, it's like this isn't gonna work. It

538
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: just I think it's like a sensitivity of mine and

539
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: like one of like the most angry I've ever been

540
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: in my very sweet boyfriend was like truly over nothing.

541
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: We had ice cream. We in the fridge. We had

542
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: about like half of a carton of Ben and Jerry's,

543
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: which for two people is like a totally normal amount

544
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: of ice cream, even maybe even too little. And he

545
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: got it out and we had two spoons and he

546
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: turned to me and he did this exact tone of voice.

547
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: He said, we're not going to finish it though, and

548
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: I literally said fuck you. It was early in our

549
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: relationship and I just had to establish that boundary, like

550
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: none of that. Wow, I love that. I'm gonna eat wait, sorry, suity,

551
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: for the sake of you know, merch and branding. Should

552
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: it be donuts. Should it be ice cream? I think

553
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: doughnut has more fun consonants. If you're going to eat

554
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: the doughnut, eat the doughnut. And I think a lot

555
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 1: of my work should kind of now be like boiled

556
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: down to a pillow in a gift shop. Yeah right.

557
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean all of us are basically a collection of

558
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: maybe three little cat phrases. I mean, if we're lucky,

559
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: if we're like I didn't think that. The other day

560
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: I was like, should I continue to like try and

561
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: write and produce comedy on television or should I just

562
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: make tote bags that say short Kings, eat box, put

563
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: them on et see and like live my life, make

564
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: a million dollars. I think about that literally every single day.

565
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm like to just make one T shirt that says

566
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: like slay Mama, and I could be rich tomorrow. When

567
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: Io made a T shirt that said Daddy's Little Daddy,

568
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: that was revel. Okay, wait, we need to do our

569
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: segment because actually I'm actually in a hurry that you

570
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: could say jones ng to get to our second segment.

571
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: Ak the bulk of the episode where Study introduces her topic. Right, So,

572
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: sud our first thing is called straight shooters, and we

573
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: ask you a series of rapid fire questions sort of

574
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: gage your familiarity to straight culture. UM, sort of an

575
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: air b thing, and the only rule is no, no

576
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: questions allowed, or we'll get mad at you. Understood, Um, George,

577
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: do you want to start sure Sudi being a morning

578
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: person or eating a morning bun, eating a morning bun,

579
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: Sudi winning a webby or losing a custody battle winning

580
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: a webby, Elon Musk or Rachel Cusk. You chilled cause

581
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. Um, Steve Jobs is

582
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: a genius, Kanye West is a genius, or Joe Rogan

583
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: is a genius. Joe Rogan is a genius. Having bad

584
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: posture or posturing is morally superior online, I think bad posture.

585
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: Olivia Rodrigo me goes or the singer of Leave Princees,

586
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: Get Out, Jojo Jojo. That is a stretch. Stretch in

587
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: the morning. Wow, that's that's That's like a funny. That's

588
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: like the dialogue in an overwritten script where someone goes,

589
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: I mean that's a stretch and the other person is like, oh,

590
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: so what, I'm not to stretch in the morning, and

591
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: then the audience laughs. Oh my god, bag sorry the

592
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: Seven Deadly Sins or the Three Little Pigs. The three

593
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: Little pigs. Okay, I'm searching for my copy of Leaves

594
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: of Grass, or I'm searching for a piece of ass,

595
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: searching for a piece of ass. Wow, Like, I mean,

596
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: I would say your performance during that segment is that

597
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: of one who has listened to the podcast before, not

598
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: to be a bit Yeah, it's almost I would, I

599
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: would almost say it. Then you know that takes any

600
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: mystery out of it. I mean you are you were

601
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: not even you were not caught off guard once. You

602
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: never you never acted as though we were attacking you.

603
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and I should have performed that for you,

604
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: because I know that's part of the fun. I have

605
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: regrets on all most of my answers. Got it, but

606
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: I was prepared, And I do think that that is.

607
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: Now that you know that I listened to the pod,

608
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: doesn't make you think of all the people you've had

609
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: on the show that clearly didn't. Oh we know who doesn't?

610
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: Who does? Mean, it's pretty obvious because even if someone's

611
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: like performing it, it's really clear. Yes, well, or sometimes

612
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: people are like sometimes I mean the whole thing with

613
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: straight Shooters is like, you know, we make the joke

614
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: that you can't ask any questions, and often we've had

615
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: people that were like, sorry, I listened to the podcast,

616
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: but just to confirm, and we're like, no, no, no no, no, no,

617
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: I want it. I meant to. Even this morning, I

618
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: was like I should ask a question just to experience

619
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: them yelling at me, because I wanted to see how

620
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: far that would have gone. But you know, again, I'm

621
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: full of regret. Well, no, and personally I appreciate the

622
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: honesty because you know, when it's fake, it just it

623
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: doesn't hit us hard and the listeners will get furious

624
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: at the artists. Do it a little bit right now,

625
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: what wait, do it a little more and then we'll

626
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: kind of put it during. We'll like, cut it and

627
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: put it during the question. Just do like five more

628
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: seconds of you being surprised and shocked. Oh my god,

629
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: I can't answer that. You guys are crazy. This is shocking.

630
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm shocked. Right now, I'm gonna get canceled, Okay, perfect.

631
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: I love that. That's really good. Worrying about getting canceled

632
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: on this podcast is really funny. That's a really good detail.

633
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Speaker 1: Getting canceled because you because you don't answer a straight

634
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Speaker 1: shooter correctly because you say the three little pigs instead

635
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Speaker 1: of the seven deadly sins, and someone's like three, that's

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Speaker 1: a problematic Number's rachel Cus Okay. So I thought that

637
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Speaker 1: would land because first I had she's an author, she

638
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Speaker 1: wrote these books called the Outline Trilogy. But I had

639
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: this really vague memory of us talking about her. But

640
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Speaker 1: it must have been somewhat another gorgeous woman with bangs

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Speaker 1: a Zimmer Amy. It honestly could be Amy zimmer Like.

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Speaker 1: It actually probably was Amy zimmer Woh. I love that.

643
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Speaker 1: So I knew it was like not a known you know,

644
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Speaker 1: not someone who is immediately own. But I thought maybe

645
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Speaker 1: you're faced would light up. Um no, no, And you know,

646
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little surprised. I never realized, George, that

647
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: when you were writing these you were sort of bating

648
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: our our guests to sort of be like wink wink,

649
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: like we don't forget we we have memories together. Well,

650
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: every time I have a guest, it is a competition

651
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: between me and you to see who has more of

652
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: a history with her. I mean this time, people, real

653
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: fans have noticed that I have brought up the one

654
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: time student and I got pasta together. You brought you

655
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: brought up drinks. You're bringing up a little inside stories

656
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: drinks and pasta to separate occasions or one occasion. Well,

657
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: nobody will ever know. Nobody will ever know, and I

658
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: won't reveal that on this podcast. Um, here's a really

659
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: hot take. Should we get into the topic? And we

660
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: absolutely because it's actually one of the best topics we've

661
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: maybe ever had. I think I think this is the

662
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: platonic ideal of a stradio lab topic. Wow, that's huge comment.

663
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Speaker 1: And I'm actually not even saying that to blow spoke

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Speaker 1: up studies perfectly bleached asshole. No, he's trying to get

665
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Speaker 1: another drinks in my he's desperate for drinks and pasta.

666
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Speaker 1: For the record, my asshole is dark and hairy and

667
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Speaker 1: and high. Same cheers, cheers. I'm now putting in my

668
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: own catchphrases as much as know you have to you.

669
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Speaker 1: I introduced, y introduce, And so that's where it's confusing.

670
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Speaker 1: We never really know, we've never decided, but I'm like,

671
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: I trust you do it. Well, let's say the topic

672
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: so we so so study say just in one sentence

673
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: what the topic is and we'll ask a follow up question.

674
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Speaker 1: The topic is information, information, well data, Before we ask

675
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 1: our follow up, can I ask a different follow up? Yes,

676
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: what do you mean my information? I mean exactly information.

677
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean the horny nous of knowing a fact. I

678
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: mean trivia, I mean people who say fun fact. And

679
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean the concept in a conversation where you were

680
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: telling somebody everything you know about a thing. And I

681
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: believe that that is straight culture in and of itself. Also,

682
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: I will put under this umbrella guys who tell you

683
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: they're really into history. This is such a rich, rich

684
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: topic for me. Yes, well, because George, you know, I

685
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: think one could argue that you are almost this person

686
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: sometimes and yet when could argue or you Sam Taggart

687
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: want to argue one, but I would say though, having

688
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: listened to the pod that George offers, like, I think

689
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: that there's like Phillips, there's there's a point to what

690
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: he's read or what he knows being brought up where

691
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: I feel like what I'm talking about is when you

692
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: are in a bar and you're, you know, listening to

693
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: the Dirty Projectors, and then a guy tells you everything

694
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: he knows about the history of the Dirty projectors, including

695
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: like all the band name band members names throughout time. Okay,

696
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Speaker 1: the George Defender has logged on studies now studies like

697
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: we will get pasta again just to prove a point.

698
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: I think that it's like the what I love about

699
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: this is like there are so many I feel like,

700
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: there are so many cliche little terms like man splaining

701
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: and like you know, the remember that Twitter account that

702
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: was like guy in your m f A, Like this

703
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: is part of the history of like this kind of

704
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: kind of critique of this type of guy. But I think,

705
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: but I think articulating it as information is so rich

706
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: because what it is is like using little bits of

707
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: knowledge as like a blanket to protect from any kind

708
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: of like outside influence. You're like, people are talking to you,

709
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, wait, no, I know that you're like

710
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: throwing bits of pieces of information at them as weapons.

711
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: Let's not get personal. Let's not talk about anything that

712
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: could make me feel uncomfortable in like an emotional way.

713
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: Don't get to know me, because guess what, I know

714
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: every movie this director has directed, and now, whether you

715
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: want it or not, I'm just giving you a Wikipedia

716
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: article out of my mouth. And you know, it's actually

717
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 1: even darker than that, because it's not that they think

718
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: they are avoiding intimacy, it's that they think that is intimacy.

719
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: They think sharing little pieces of information, it's like, these

720
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: are pieces of myself that I learned, and I'm sharing

721
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: them with a woman, and that is how she knows

722
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm interested in her because I have deemed her worthy

723
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: of listening to my memorized Wikipedia page. But isn't there like,

724
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: isn't there a sadness to it where it's like they

725
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: can't I think it's like so unoptional all they can't

726
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: tap into the emotional stuff and so they have like

727
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: one it's a weapon. On the other hand, it's like

728
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: a life raft like where they're like, I know I'm

729
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: supposed to be talking, but I need but I can't

730
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: talk about me and I can't talk about my feelings.

731
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: I have to just talk about the history of the

732
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, civil war or whatever. And I think that

733
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: it's also applauded amongst like pure straight company, you know,

734
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: straight mail company. It's like that if you have to

735
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: information bros together from they're like there, their dicks are

736
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: in the sky. I mean, they couldn't be horn here

737
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: for that. It's like at UCB where there would be like, uh,

738
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, top of your intelligence, and like some guy

739
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: would magically be in a scene that took place on

740
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 1: like a rocket launcher, and then all of a sudden

741
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: he gets to do a scene where he incorporates that

742
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: he knows everything about rocket science but isn't a rocket scientist,

743
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: is doing improv and that was applauded and celebrated, and

744
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: looking back, that's so fucking poort. Wow. Study the fact

745
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: that you would take the turn to improv as the

746
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: basis of this critique. Honestly, improv and UCB is imbued

747
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: in every episode. I think that's unfortunately true. It's the

748
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: incubator for like toxic straight culture. People who are on

749
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: this podcast live, well, it's actually the reason why. And

750
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying this as probably the three of us, the

751
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: person who least you know, has a UCB background. I've

752
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: only ever done stand up there. But to me, UCB

753
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: is really um morally abhorrent because it is where people

754
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: are like straightness can be fun and cute. It's not harmful.

755
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: It's like it is. Don't make this into a joke

756
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: because because the boys are silly exactly have you ever

757
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: tart about Oh yeah, you think these people, these uh

758
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: straight people are bad? No, they're silly. Yeah, no, I can't.

759
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: The homophobia of UCB was potent, and we cannot get

760
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: into We can't get into it because that is not

761
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: our topic. Our topic is information. I once had a

762
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: guy on a on a day, a Tinder day. I

763
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: just showed up and I was like, okay, like we

764
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: maybe just like don't have a lot in common or

765
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: like he's not my vibe, but like he was cute

766
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: and kind of give me a fun boy energy. So

767
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, maybe I'll sleep with him. But we

768
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: were like talking and he was like asking me about

769
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: like being a comedian, and he would like bring up

770
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: comedians and I would just like know what work they

771
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: had done. Like I would say like, oh have you

772
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: seen like this person, this, this thing, this person did whatever.

773
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about like my field, not being an

774
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: information bro. And then there was a point in the

775
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: conversation where he said, um, your thing is you know

776
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: a lot about comedy, and my thing is that I

777
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: know a lot about history. Oh my god, Oh no,

778
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: that is one of the most toxic things I've ever

779
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: heard in my life. But it's also to Sam's point,

780
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: it's sad. It's sad. It's like it's like it's the

781
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: way this guy was like socialized or so clearly threatened

782
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: by the fact that like I was doing interesting things

783
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: and had, you know, some some knowledge that he found

784
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: like threatening in some way that I like knew a

785
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: stand up special that somebody had done and asked him

786
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: if he had seen it, like yeah, and then I

787
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: was like, what history do you like? And it happened

788
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: in the past, so cool. Um. I also information bros.

789
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: It can't like to me, a huge sect of information bros.

790
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: Is Dad's Yeah, I'm thinking my dad, and like he

791
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: is addicted to just facts, spewing facts, and it's very

792
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: the like he doesn't really know what to talk about,

793
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be facts. And even like my best

794
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: conversations with my dad are being like how do I

795
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: do my taxes? And he's like, thank you for asking?

796
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: And this is this sounds mean. I hope he never

797
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: hears this because it's not meant to me. But like

798
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: I called him like to share like good news recently,

799
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: and then he was like like excited, and then I

800
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: started asking him about like taxes, because I was like,

801
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: how does this work? And he was like, well, you know,

802
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: taxes are like my comedy, like I know it. Oh

803
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: that I was like, oh my god, he's really trying

804
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: to relate. It just brings up a question that I have, though,

805
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: which is like, I mean, it's not bad to know things.

806
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: I would rather somebody be like well read and interested

807
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: in something than like have no nothing about the world.

808
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: But it's the way that it's presented to you without choice.

809
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: Well that's yeah, this is so okay. So I was

810
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: is but my dad is an information bro and my

811
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: mom is a history buff. Wow. So I have experienced

812
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: with both of these things, and with both of them.

813
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: I think with my dad more so. I there's kindly

814
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: the tension between wanting to learn from someone who genuinely

815
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: has all this knowledge and not wanting to lose three

816
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: hours of my time at any given time. Like I

817
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: there are so many times when I genuinely am curious

818
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: about something and want to ask how does this work?

819
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: But no that I only have twenty minutes available, and

820
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: he will He's like all or nothing like and that

821
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: sounds so bratty to say, like, God forbid my dad

822
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: talked to me for three hours. Moment. It's the moment

823
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: that like, your dad is so excited because this is

824
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: the moment that all the ship that he knows was preparing, Like,

825
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: finally somebody has asked. This knowledge that exists in my

826
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: brain is not useless besides the fact that it gave

827
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: me enjoyment to learn it, I can now give it

828
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: to you. And then, at least I was gonna say,

829
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: at least your dad is not doing like infotainment YouTuber

830
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: videos that's start with act if you also triggered this,

831
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: wait and then and then I want to say, sorry,

832
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: I know, I'm I'm I'm monologueing. But the other toxic

833
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: element of this, which is my mom her way rather

834
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: than talking with yours at a time, what she does

835
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: is she thinks you are stupid if you don't know

836
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: something she does. So she's a history buff, reads like

837
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: reads a lot of nonfiction, reads a lot of history books.

838
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: And so rather that my dad's toxic qualities that he

839
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: talks for three hours about something, my mom's toxic qualities.

840
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: You'll ask and she'll basically look at you as though

841
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: your garbage and be like, you don't know that that

842
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: happened in that. I like that, that's fun. That's that's

843
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: like an information terrorist. Yea, my mom's an information terrorist. Yeah,

844
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: that's kind of new. Um okay. On the other end

845
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: of the suit A, you're talking about this meeting with

846
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: this man, I'm like, and George is gonna mock me

847
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: for this, isn't it? Now? You will when you hear it,

848
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: isn't it? Sometimes a little bit hot to be, like

849
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: to be like a little information domm and be like, yeah,

850
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: just like explain something to me, and I get to

851
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: play like the little dumb slut like it's useful if

852
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: it's like I can fix your car, or like I

853
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 1: know how to like butcher a steak, and I'm like, absolutely,

854
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: provide for me, Like, yeah, provide for me king. But

855
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: um yeah, I mean if it's I think that's true.

856
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: I think it depends on the topic, because I mean, like, also,

857
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: I've just fully had men I've dated, like explained to

858
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 1: me the entire plot of what's that Keanu Reeves movie

859
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: where he has to like save the dog John Wick.

860
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 1: I one time the next boyfriend tell me the plot

861
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: of John Wick and I never interrupted him to see

862
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: how long he would go it's like minutes I have

863
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: so about information darmbing. What I think what needs to

864
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: happen for you to be effectively information domed to completion

865
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: is that the person needs to be talking about something

866
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: you have no context for what I have struggled and

867
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: not struggle with. But for instance, me and my lover

868
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: have just overlapping worlds enough that if he might know

869
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: more about something but I know a little bit about it,

870
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: I might know more about something, but he will know

871
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: a little bit about it. He's not like a you know, criminal, uh,

872
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: you know, like a civil rights lawyer or something like.

873
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: He's in the general world of things we all know about.

874
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: And so that makes it more difficult to be information dommed.

875
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: Whereas if you're dating, if you are a an exotic

876
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: dancer dating a carpenter, you're constantly information dmbing one another

877
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, because they're like, this is um, you know,

878
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: how to get a g string out of your ask?

879
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: And then he's like, this is how you make a

880
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: structurally sound join. I mean honestly sounds both like that

881
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: sounds like a hot relationship that doesn't really hot. I

882
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: watch their fans, YEA, I yeah, I think yeah. As

883
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: fans of the podcast will know I have a straight

884
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: who um randomly I still see sometimes and he will

885
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: information dumb me with like music stuff in a way

886
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: that's like I do know about music, but he like

887
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 1: pretends like I don't, in a way that that's also

888
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: information dumbing, where he's like, I don't care what you think,

889
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: I just want to explain, you know. I can see

890
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: why if it happened a lot, I would be like,

891
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: stop by, because I seek him like once a month.

892
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, sure, like just go off on. I mean,

893
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: sometimes it's nice just to like if you're I I

894
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: get like very socially exhausted sometimes, especially talking to like

895
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: a normy because I don't like know how to what

896
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: stimulates me in a conversation is like doing the bit,

897
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: and so if I can't do a bit, I'm sometimes

898
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: like paralyzed by social awkwardness. And so in those moments

899
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: just being just having like a wave of you know,

900
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: facts about It's always music. It's always a band that

901
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: I've listened to once. Yeah, can do you know what

902
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: is like? What's such a defeat to be in the

903
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: middle of a conversation and say something along the lines

904
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: of like, so what TV have you been watching? And

905
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: it's so sad because that hurts conversations like what do

906
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: we what else do we talk about? Like it is

907
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: kind of like this is a ripe topic, but it's

908
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: like the question hurts so much. Well, and then both

909
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: of you, you know, you look at your conversation partner

910
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: and you're both like you know, it's kind of the

911
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,479
Speaker 1: moment before a suicide pack where you're like, well, we're

912
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: doing this. Yeah, it's sort of like going to talk

913
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: about what TV we're watching. We either answer this or

914
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: one of us is like, actually I have to go

915
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. That's it's not even like the actual

916
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: question in the conversation that hurts me. It's knowing that

917
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: that was like a chunk of my day, like I

918
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: can't I can't like handle especially like you know, working

919
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: at US and l and like your free time being

920
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: so limited when you're like at a party and then

921
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: you're like this is like my Sunday night, and it

922
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: just really makes you most like you're fucking oh my god.

923
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: People are We're better and people are boring this is

924
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: coming on. Well, here's the thing is that like we

925
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: just there are so many people for whom there is

926
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: nothing more boring than the three of us talking about comedy,

927
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,479
Speaker 1: Like to think about how it makes me feel better

928
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: to have an knowledge and opinions about comedy, and like

929
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: that's one of the main things you're offering. That's so tragic. Wait,

930
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm just realizing it's so much more embarrassing that. Like

931
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, my dad is like he knows a lot

932
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: about taxes, Like that's like that's really useful. And I'm like, yeah,

933
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: but like I just did this bar show and we're

934
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: back and it's in the street now. Yeah, he's literally

935
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: he's trying to relate to his son that he wanted

936
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: to be, you know, a Supreme Court justice and now

937
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: is and that was a community. It's like, yeah, this

938
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: is like my comedy. I guess if that's what's good,

939
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: that's what's good. No, I'm like, I'm like, please don't

940
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: tell me about like your hobby. Please do like a

941
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: sociopathic bit that never touches the ground so we never

942
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: have to experience each other because bit because bits are

943
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: our information. Oh no, like we're bit bombing in the

944
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 1: way that another person is information bombing. Have you ever

945
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: been with somebody or like it around like a friend

946
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,959
Speaker 1: or like a partner or somebody who didn't like when

947
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 1: bits were happening with your friends. Yes, many times, Uh yeah,

948
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: I think, um, Misha likes he gets it. He likes

949
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: to have fun, he likes to laugh. But when it's

950
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: like comedians doing bits together, there's also like inherently power hierarchy,

951
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 1: like who's laughing at who? Oh my god, and he's

952
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: like toxic, it's extremely toxic. And he's like, this isn't

953
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: this isn't egalitarian. This is just like they want to

954
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: laugh at that person. Oh god. Um so sometimes bit

955
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: bit bit cruise can be evil. And also just if

956
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: we if this is now a pro NORMI turn, have

957
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: you guys like really hung out with like a crew

958
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: of normies with like not even media jobs, just like

959
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: not even jobs like being no no no, this is

960
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: the pro. This is pro like like truly people that

961
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,959
Speaker 1: are just like I just work and make a good

962
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: So I think they are so much like more thoughtful.

963
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: They're like so much better at asking you how your

964
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: life is and like trying to like connect, whereas like

965
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: comedians do just like bit bit bit bit bit and

966
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: run away and it's like I don't know what that

967
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: person does for work, Like it's um, it's a different

968
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: it's a switch up, and then there's like space for

969
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: hobbies to like I'm never going to have a space

970
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: for a hobby, you know, Like I like fantasized about

971
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: getting into pottery for like a good month and then

972
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: I thought, too many comedians are doing pottery now, and yeah,

973
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: so much you're unnoticed. Yeah it's also because of what

974
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: we do everything we are like, what can we profit

975
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: off of this? Yeah, we don't profit off of like

976
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: our actual company, but yees, yeah, the normy thing is interesting.

977
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: I do think what you're saying is totally correct. I

978
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: also think the flip side of that is one person

979
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: will say one thing that is the least bit off

980
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: key and everyone will be like, oh my god, it's

981
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: the funniest thing I've ever heard. Well, like you're so weird. Yes,

982
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: also that I feel that I just have like too

983
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: much uh you know I enormalies for me are always

984
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: deep down and going to be like people who looked

985
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: at me weird in high school, you know, for like

986
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: being loud or being stupid or like that moment where

987
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: like you had a friend who was like weird, with

988
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: you to sleep over, and then all of a sudden,

989
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: like you're in a greater social setting and they look

990
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: at you like, we don't do this here, like classic.

991
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: And I feel that when I'm in like normy settings,

992
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: I sometimes bell in that way and I like drink

993
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: too much and become and I truly hate myself after

994
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: because I know where it comes from, which is like

995
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: it's a I'm not repressed. I mean like I have

996
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: a very fulfilling life in the career that I chose,

997
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: and I like never have to be around people who

998
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: basically don't agree with everything that I have to say.

999
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: So the one moment that I am in a situation,

1000
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: say at like a sister's birthday, you know, then I

1001
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: become a part of myself that I hate. Yes, yes,

1002
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: it's I also this is we can. This is the

1003
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: thing is we are. The implication here is that we

1004
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: are so interesting, and I truly do not know that

1005
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: about myself, Like in fact, I actually think that everything

1006
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: I have done in my life is like two. It's

1007
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: like some desperate attempt at at like reaching for being interested,

1008
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: like when you are actually you're when you're around actually

1009
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: interesting people or someone who's like a play rate that

1010
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: has written a postmodern place, like like people that have

1011
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: really dedicated their life to like art and um and

1012
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: like or even knowledge. Then you're like, oh, I'm a fraud. No,

1013
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: but I have to say I find you very interesting.

1014
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: That's not to say that you know like I do.

1015
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: I do think you're interesting. It's just you have to

1016
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: walk with the knowledge that you are going to be

1017
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: a bore and pretty abhorrant to somebody in the world.

1018
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: And I feel like people who don't walk with that knowledge,

1019
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, you can see it in their eyes. That's

1020
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: you have to have both. You need to know that

1021
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: you are interesting, you have value, and also know that

1022
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: some people aren't for you or you're not for them,

1023
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: and that's okay, And that's okay. You are beautiful just

1024
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: the way you are. And I wouldn't want to be

1025
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: with for everybody. I mean, I think you want to

1026
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: be sphysics of it, And I wouldn't want to write

1027
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: a postmodern play. There, No, you don't want to write

1028
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: a postmodern play. Well, what do you think this is?

1029
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god. That's the twist is that this has

1030
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: been this entire thing has been my actual um m

1031
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: f a thesis at Yale this entire time. Damn wow.

1032
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: I went to college with a lot of right, I

1033
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: know that you with a lot of playwrights, and like

1034
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: we would have like playwrights come and speak to us.

1035
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: And I always kind of thought that, um, people who

1036
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: like understood things on that level or would do like

1037
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: really often guard play or like something like that. And

1038
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: I always just thought, like, when I do that in

1039
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: class or I try to do that, I'm bullshitting and

1040
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like bullshit and copy the style that

1041
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand beyond like a surface level, and if

1042
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: I get it right, it's like truly by chance that

1043
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: I copied the right sing. And I sort of thought

1044
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: that that was everybody because I didn't understand it. So

1045
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: I just thought, oh, they're pretending to be this thing

1046
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: that somebody back in time actually knew what they were doing.

1047
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: And then I realized that that is so not true. Well,

1048
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: it's it's the like horror of realizing that somebody is

1049
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: actually well read, which you think of as only a

1050
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: theoretical concept, like the idea that someone has actually and

1051
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: this obviously comes with like a lot of privilege and

1052
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: the and the privilege of like having the time to

1053
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: be well read and all this stuff, but like the

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01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: idea that someone has read the Cannon and then beyond

1055
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: that and then has also developed their own taste and

1056
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: and can like talk to you about like you know,

1057
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: literature and film and Shakespeare and whatever. And it's like, oh,

1058
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: that actually does exist, and when not all everyone faking

1059
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: it constantly, And when somebody is that way, they don't

1060
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: like remind you of it exactly constantly. Yea, but everybody's

1061
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: got everybody's got holes, you know, I mean, don't I

1062
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: know it's sister Okay, top vibes, But yeah, it's like

1063
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: they could be extremely well read and know all this stuff,

1064
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: but like they have no idea who Ariana Grande is.

1065
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'm sorry for them anything. It's

1066
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: just like there's there's always a trade off, and you know,

1067
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: unfortunately the path I have chosen is knowing who Ariana

1068
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: Grande is and not knowing the Cannon. Right. Well, I

1069
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: have to say, like not to be self hating, but

1070
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: I actually wish often that I knew the Cannon instead

1071
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: of Ariana Grande. Okay, yourself hate. What do you think

1072
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: in terms of cannon versus Ariana Grande. Well, my first

1073
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: my first thought was to know the canon. I would

1074
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: feel like would be to like know like the what

1075
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: you've inherited as a human in terms of like knowledge

1076
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: and art, Like to truly have read all of like

1077
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: the great texts in a way is like you're like

1078
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: imbuing yourself with like you know a little bit like

1079
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: why why why do we do anything right? Like like

1080
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: you're imbuing yourself with this history of like human knowledge,

1081
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: human thought. Incredible. I wish that I had that inside

1082
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: of me, had those ideas inside of me. However, who

1083
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: is to say that Ariana Grande is not part of

1084
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: her own canon that I need to know and needs

1085
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: to be inside of me that maybe didn't start in

1086
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: like the you know, in Shakespeare's times. Maybe it's like

1087
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more rooted in like the eighties. Sure, correct. Well,

1088
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: the thing is, there are two tenants of there are

1089
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: two tenants of kind of being an intellectual. One is

1090
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: knowing things and the second is putting them in historical

1091
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: and cultural context. And unfortunately you can't always have Yeah,

1092
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: I yeah, this is a lot. There's so much to

1093
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: talk about about this now where I'm sorry, but this

1094
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: is about information. We're still doing information, We're still talking

1095
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: about information. I this is crazy crossover event. I was

1096
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: listening to The Laws Culturesta's episode with Sam Sanders and

1097
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: it was so good. One shout out too, and like

1098
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: he talked. Sam Sanders was talking about like how like

1099
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 1: you know, like our news reporters don't have a good

1100
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: enough knowledge of like pop culture, and so they like

1101
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: have this spewed misunderstanding of like why would people vote

1102
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: for Trump? And it's like, well, because that's he's like

1103
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: huge in our in American culture, like and it really

1104
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: like pointed out like the value in knowing pop culture

1105
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: and like understanding what is seen as like stupid. But

1106
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,959
Speaker 1: you know what though, doesn't that also point out how

1107
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: bad it is because literally people voted for Trump because

1108
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: of pop culture. That's and that's the paradox is it's

1109
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: like do you do you know about it and address

1110
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: it or do you ignore it and hope it goes away? Yeah? Yeah,

1111
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: of course, which it won't unless the people that are

1112
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: like the intellectuals and public intellectuals and thought leaders learn

1113
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: about it so that they can change it from within. Yeah,

1114
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: you're not going to stop Trump by writing a dissertation

1115
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: no queen, but maybe this podcast. Well, I mean I

1116
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: love in the year being like, we're gonna stop Trump.

1117
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna stop Trump with this podcast actually, and I

1118
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: really think this episode specifically, we're gonna stop Trump. This

1119
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna stop him, and he's never going to be

1120
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: president in Yeah, let me tell you something, Commander in Cheeto.

1121
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:54,439
Speaker 1: I didn't want a celebrity for my president. No. Oh,

1122
01:06:54,560 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: so the Apprentice, the ratings were bad. Tax returns. You

1123
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: think you're better, you're worse. Um. Oh, we have to

1124
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: do our final segment otherwise I will actually jump out

1125
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: my window. And we also got I just want to

1126
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: address talk about the podast when I make the podcast. Okay, okay,

1127
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: we got we got a little serious there, Huh did

1128
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: we just a little? It was playful the whole time,

1129
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: but a little serious, right. That's just what George and

1130
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: I do when we're eating pasta. Sorry, Sam, you don't

1131
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: get it. You're not part of this pasta eating community.

1132
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 1: For you, it's weird, but for us it's normal these

1133
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: pasta nights. I just do you think it's so interesting

1134
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: because we were talking before about the difference between intimacy

1135
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: and information, and I feel like in this podcast, we've

1136
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: gotten more intimate with like you know, you and I

1137
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: talking about like our relationships or are fears and stuff,

1138
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: Whereas this time we were debating on a more theoretical basis.

1139
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: Don't you think it's my fault? No? I I enjoyed that. No.

1140
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: I think it's good. It was good because it was

1141
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: so it was about information. I think that it was

1142
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: a balanced podcast in a way that I like, because

1143
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: we talked about how the fans are the two genders

1144
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: of wanting us to be absurd and chaotic and sort

1145
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: of ruin our own podcast, and the others want to

1146
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: hear our take on Demi Lavado. Right, So I feel

1147
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: like in this episode we actually did both. Um, okay,

1148
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: I feel like we can do our final seg now

1149
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: our final segments called shout out study, and we give

1150
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: a shout out to something we enjoy, sort of in

1151
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: the style of Its two thousand one and you're in

1152
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: time Square for TRL shouting out your squad back home. Um, George,

1153
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: do you want to kick us off? I actually have to.

1154
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: I could go first. Okay, you can go first. Okay,

1155
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: what's up, losers? Um? I just want to give a

1156
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: quick little shout out to my dad. I'm so sorry

1157
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: that I um sort of belittled your experience and knowing

1158
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: about um taxes. I think that's beautiful and I think

1159
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: we can connect on other stuff. And I was being

1160
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: a little planeatory for the podcast. And I also want

1161
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: to give a shout out to Olivia Rodrigo, who I

1162
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: actually do love. I think the album is incredible. I

1163
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: am a stand weirdly and when people are like, but

1164
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: she's eighteen, it's like, yeah, that's why she's good at it,

1165
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 1: because she has real feelings that we barely understand anymore

1166
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: because we have jobs that we hate. Get over it.

1167
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: Eighteen year olds are pure and I liked Lord when

1168
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,839
Speaker 1: she was sucking sixteen, Like, have some fucking respect. Olimia

1169
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: Rodrigo's the future and also the present, and she's the canon.

1170
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: Now goodbye, bitch. Who wow um oh gosh. I'm like, Okay,

1171
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: what's up, listeners, how's everybody doing? Put that phone down

1172
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: and listen to my words. I want to give a

1173
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 1: quick shout out to the idea of consuming the internet

1174
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: without a social feed, just going to a homepage, just

1175
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: literally going to a home page. Let me repeat, go

1176
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: to a home page is not Facebook, that is not Twitter,

1177
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: that is not Instagram. That is a home page of

1178
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: a website, going there to read it. Just going to

1179
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: any homepage, whether it is a blog, whether it is

1180
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: a newspaper, whether it is let's say, street Easy, just

1181
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: experiencing the Internet without the layer of algorithms and information

1182
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: mining created by i'll say it, billionaires that are stupid

1183
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: white men and that we should not be supporting. So

1184
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: do me a favor, little little glamour girls go to

1185
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: a homepage today. Whoo. Okay, I feel like mine is

1186
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 1: something I already kind of talked about, but it is

1187
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: my truth. Okay, whenever you're okay, go, whenever you're ready. Hey,

1188
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: New York City, it's your girls. D G. And I

1189
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,839
Speaker 1: just want to get a quick shout out to walking

1190
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: at night with ice cream. Um, since the weather has

1191
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: been getting warmer on Monday nights, which is was my

1192
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: one night off on me and my boyfriend, we go

1193
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: get ice cream at night and we walked to the

1194
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: water and then we walked back and walking with the

1195
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: ice cream in your hand and looking at the night sky,

1196
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: it's absolutely what life is all about. And we are

1197
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: trying different ice cream places and my boyfriend always gets

1198
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: green tea and then he always has trouble going to

1199
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: bed that night. And I just wish everybody would have

1200
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: this pleasure. That was beautiful, beautiful, that painted a picture

1201
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: and really took me there. Ice cream at night. What

1202
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: a beautiful image. I mean, can you think of anything

1203
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: more summary? Get the ice cream on your way to

1204
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: like the subway or on your way to like your destination,

1205
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: and eat the ice cream in the city street, no mask,

1206
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: because they said we could do no mask, eat the

1207
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: ice cream in the summer city street at night on

1208
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: the way to the destination. I highly recommend. Wow, that's beautiful.

1209
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: I also love the detail of green tea ice cream.

1210
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: That is an intellectual flavored to call your boyfriend and information,

1211
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: but it's very information dom to get green t ice cream.

1212
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: Can I reveal? And I didn't want to reveal this

1213
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: because I felt like it went against the whole podcast,

1214
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: but I feel like for the sake of like brutal

1215
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: truth and honesty, I have to say. In the car

1216
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: on the way to Annigan said, I was reading to

1217
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: my boyfriend what I was going to talk about. I

1218
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: was like, had a list of ideas and through our

1219
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,560
Speaker 1: discussion off of one thing. He labeled it as information

1220
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, wait, that's brilliant. So but is

1221
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: it okay that a straight man was He's just he's

1222
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: just an ally and a king the idea of a

1223
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: woman saying, my boyfriend thought of it. It's kind of

1224
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: cool this episode. It's actually really cool. It's a straight

1225
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: man psyop. Wow, who knew? This entire episode was gost

1226
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,839
Speaker 1: written by by a straight man labeled it. He labeled

1227
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: it like not to be that girl, but like I

1228
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: was like dancing around and he labeled it. Yeah, well

1229
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: that's like one of straight men's uh you know fourtes

1230
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: is labeling things. That's true. Well, big shout out to him.

1231
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean shout out shout out to him. You know

1232
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: he recently stud and I were somewhere together. Study's boyfriend

1233
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: and my boyfriend hit it off. Now what do you

1234
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: think of that? A budding friendship? You know, a straight

1235
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: man and a gay man. What is this? My straight

1236
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: man is a poet. It's not it's not all. You

1237
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,520
Speaker 1: can't just paint it with that white of a right, right,

1238
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: gott gotta got it. Poetry is queer. He's actually now

1239
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: writing love poems. To my boyfriend and I would love

1240
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: for him to stop. I'm encouraging it, yeah,