1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast, featuring Jaguars dot Com Senior 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: writer John Oser and Jaguars Executive producer Dave de Candice. 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: We are joined this week by the Jaguars broadcast team. 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: It's Frank Frangie, Tony Pistelli, Jeff Logerman. You know what, 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: for Jaguars fans, those guys need no introduction, so get 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: right to it. Frank, first question for you, out of 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: the box. I'm gonna ask Tony how he's feeling in 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: a little bit, but I want to know from you, 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: what do you think or do we know the setup 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: this year in terms of broadcasting these games? Yeah, I think, 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: I mean we it's a work in progress John, and 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: it's been fluid. We didn't even this morning, we've talked 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: about it. I think home games will be the way 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: they've been. We're gonna problem spread out our booths a 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: little bit more so we're socially distanced, but we'll be 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: in our booth and it will be the three of 17 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: us that it will be a producer and an engineer, 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: Joe and coach, which we've always done. So I don't 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: think home games will look and feel any different from 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: the way we do it. And hopefully the way people 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: hear it, the road game we're gonna operate. It looks 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: like out of this out of the stadium, John, we're 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: probably gonna be in the network TV booths with this, 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: which is a very big booth, which gives us again 25 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: a chance to spread out a lot of television monitors. 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: That's kind of what the baseball guys are doing. They're 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: all going either from their home stadium. I've talked to 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: now twenty three of the thirty or the other thirty 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: one UH teams that play by play guys, and I 30 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: think most are going from home. Very few are traveling. 31 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: Mark Gaydermer from Houston's gonna travel, gonna fly himself, Mike 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: Keith might, but around the league, I think most are 33 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: doing it remotely. So home will found the same, well, 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: the hopefully all sound the same. Home will be the 35 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: same for us, and we set it up the road 36 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: will will still be in the stadium and the network 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: booths spread out, but we'll be doing the games watching 38 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: a monitor in doing them from home. And Jeff, I 39 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: guess this is just the case where you you play 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: the hand that's dealt in this situation. What else you 41 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: gonna do? You know, it kind of is what it is. 42 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: And going all the way back when we first, uh, 43 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: we're kind of getting an understanding of how this this 44 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: virus had impacted everybody. We were sitting there thinking to 45 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: ourselves and I said this, I think in one of 46 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: our radio broadcasts back in in April May, I said, well, 47 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: if I'm in charge of football, I'm not taking any 48 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: unnecessary personnel now on road trips. I mean, you just 49 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: you just can't risk it. You gotta create the as 50 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: tight of a bubble as you can for the players 51 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: and the staff to be able to have the games 52 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: go on. And why would you risk having Basselli on 53 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: the airplane to give every everybody else a virus or 54 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: me or Frank or Joe or coach. I mean, it's 55 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: just unnecessary. I mean I've been tested, Yes, I've been 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: tested multiple times. It's it's superpowers now that they were. 57 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Everybody's trying to get an understanding 58 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: of what the lands gape is gonna be. And because 59 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: right now a lot of the questions that we have, 60 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: we don't have the answers. You know what Tony is 61 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: talking about. I mean unless he goes and gets tested 62 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: and still has you know, proof of the anybodies in him, 63 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, is he truly safe for out other people? 64 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, so all this stuff we're still 65 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: finding out. But like you said, Johnny, it is what 66 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: it is. And you know, we're we're kind of just 67 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: waiting on what we are being told what we can 68 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: and can't do, and then we'll just adjust. I mean, 69 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: we can still have a great broadcast and and still 70 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: entertain people with the radio call of the game, even 71 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: if we're in Jacksonville. It's not gonna be as easy, 72 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: but we're gonna do the best we can make it entertaining. 73 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: And Tony think most people listening to know that you 74 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: obviously went through this at the very beginning of all this, 75 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: uh thoughts on you know, I guess the necessity of this. 76 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: You're up close to it, so you understand exactly why 77 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: all these things are in place. Oh yeah, A you 78 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: gotta be smart. I mean, here's the good news. I mean, 79 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: just right, we're still learning a lot, but we know 80 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: so much more than we did back when I had it. 81 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: I mean, back when I had it, the fear was 82 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: you get it, You're gonna die. And I mean even 83 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: at the in the i c U at the hospital. 84 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: Some of the best doctors in the country. You know 85 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: that we're in polonologists. We're looking at me like we 86 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: we don't really know where this is going to go 87 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: and what this virus is gonna do it. We're much 88 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: further along that better treatments now. I think we're getting 89 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: close to a vaccine. UM. You look at the overall, 90 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: it's still very infectious and people can get it. But 91 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: if you look at the data, you know, people that 92 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: are playing football, these professional football players at that age 93 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: really super super super low risk of anything serious happening. 94 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: It can't happen, but it's very low UM and so 95 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: that's the good news. We know. More. With that said, 96 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: you still have to be smart because from a competitive standpoint, 97 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: you know, because if guys do get it, that means 98 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: they can't play UM and so you have to be 99 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: able to feel the team and have you know, and 100 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: and go back to business of football. And then on 101 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: the other side, you do have to worry about the 102 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: health of these coach is. I mean, we've been around 103 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: these coaches, some of them were older and some are 104 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: the most healthy guys in the whole world. Uh, and 105 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: so you gotta be you gotta be careful, you gotta 106 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: be smart, because that the last thing we want somebody 107 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: who does has some underlying health issues and is an 108 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: older individual. UM that's coach in the NFL to be 109 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: exposed of the virus can get it because it could 110 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: go really bad, really quickly, feels individuals. So I think 111 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: the NFL has done a great job. I really do. UM. 112 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: You know, pe persk go and I've talked about it 113 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: on the Monday Night show for the Jaguars. UM that 114 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: if you look back, you know, and of all the 115 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: professional sports league the NFL had, it is the most 116 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: difficult one to manage the number of players to contact, 117 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: all those things that go on. UM Two, if you 118 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: look at it, the way that the p A in 119 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: the league handled it really well, I mean tough negotiations, 120 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: big economic issues, testing safety, all those things. You compare 121 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: that to what Baseball went through. I mean, these guys 122 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: look like rock stars. And so I take my hat off, 123 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: and then you look at what the owners have invested 124 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: to making sure these players hand be state, you know, 125 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: testing protocols, social distancing within the facilities, figuring out weight rooms, 126 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: night all the logistics really going um to the utmost 127 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: length of making sure we can play football. So I 128 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: think the NFL has done a great job. Um. With 129 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: that said, we have a lot of hills declimbs still 130 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: because right now these teams are isolated. It's only them 131 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: in camp. You know, I think you now expose it 132 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: to more risk when you start traveling, going to other stadiums. Um, 133 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: and then the whole I'll go back to the competitive landscape. 134 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: You know, how do we handle if we have a 135 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: bunch of false positives like we did this past week 136 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: with the lab in New Jersey the night before a game? 137 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: You know, how does that work for a team? What 138 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: do you do? So it's gonna be interesting. I'm hoping 139 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: we get through it because, like Jeff said, it'll be 140 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: fun to call games and watching football. I'll be sad 141 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: that we're not there. I mean, one of my favorite 142 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: things about calling games, whether it's for the Jaguars on 143 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: Thursday night at Westwood One, it's getting on the field 144 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: before the game, talking to players and coaches and getting inside. 145 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: So we won't have that side of it, um, But well, still, 146 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: I think we all to give some good inside of 147 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: what's happening on the field. I want to go around 148 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: the horn on this one, but I'll start with Frank 149 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: because his the radio shows everybody knows, and he follows 150 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: all sports, maybe a little more than the rest of us. Frank, 151 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: don't you get the idea watching the other sports and 152 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: watching the NFL. I have such a much better feeling 153 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: that they're gonna pull this off than I did two 154 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: or three months ago. I do. I said all on 155 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: baseball would be the guinea pig. Baseball be the template. 156 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: Baseball is not in the bubble. Baseball's played outside in 157 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: big stadiums on grass and so for in our country 158 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: the MLS two, but even they were in a bubble, 159 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: all right, Baseball was going to be the most like football, 160 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: and baseball is gonna screw up, and so let the 161 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: baseball folks screw up. And they did. Let the let 162 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: the Marlins and the Cardinals mess up. And we see 163 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: how drastic it is when they do um. But yeah, 164 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: I think I think they. I think the belief is Johnny, 165 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: they gotta move forward. They gotta find a way to 166 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: move forward. And I think that, well, I lose what 167 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: Tony did too. I think the NFL has been all 168 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: over this thing. They always are. They pulled off the 169 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: draft without a game, they pulled off before that free 170 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: agency without a game. They never waiver. They said we're 171 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: gonna play our sixteen games. They may waiver, but how 172 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: many people are gonna watch? And so I think I 173 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: think the NFL has been all over this. But I 174 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: agree with what she said. We've gotta we gotta move on, 175 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: and I think we found a way to move on. 176 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: Baseball was sort of the template for it. I would 177 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: be shocked. It's a That doesn't mean a football team 178 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: couldn't have an outbreak and miss a week. I think 179 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: that could happen college or pro. But I'd be surprised 180 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: if we don't finish the season of some capacity. I 181 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: totally agree with that. You know, look, the NFL and 182 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: NFL p A, they've all done a great job. But 183 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: the reality of the NFL had the most time to 184 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: prepare of any sports, you know, so they didn't have 185 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: to do anything and all the way until they got 186 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: to the point where okay, we didn't start reporting to camp, 187 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, so they had the most time to prepare. 188 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: They had time to learn from the mistakes of the 189 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: other sports. Leagues, and uh, and here's the reality. The 190 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: NFL and played the game yet you know, so let's 191 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: let's not jump on the end wagon and pat everybody 192 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: on the back, because you know, the reality is is 193 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: that even if you do it perfectly, there's still a 194 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: risk that certain things end up coming up that's going 195 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: to interrupt the game. And so so until we get 196 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: to where the games are actually played and things of 197 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: that nature, you know, you've got to kind of hauld 198 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: off judgment because the reality is, this is something we've 199 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: ever dealt with as a as a as a as 200 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: a league, right. I mean, I think what the NFL 201 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: and sports league had to deal with a pandemic years 202 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: and years ago. But I mean we're not talking about 203 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: the sports leagues up today, you know, so this is 204 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: a different landscape. And uh, and hopefully it does go 205 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: off without a hitch, and players are smart, but we 206 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: all know that when you're you're you're a young man 207 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 1: in your early twenties, all of a sudden, once you 208 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: get out of training camp and out of that team 209 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: hotel and the bubble kind of opens up a little bit. 210 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: It's a little different. Yeah, we're gonna get to the 211 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: Jags in a minute. But I want to talk to 212 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: Tony and Jeff about what you just said. Jeff, I 213 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: get the idea that there's maybe a disconnect between fans 214 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: and the reality of players and sort of assume that 215 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: players aren't going to take this seriously. Um. As former players, 216 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: I sort of get the idea that players are going 217 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: to be diligent about it. And maybe I'm naive, But 218 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: what do you guys think You guys played, you were young, 219 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: you're both relatively older players at times. How do you 220 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: think players are gonna protest? And what's your confidence in 221 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: how they're going to approach it? Well, John, I think 222 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: I think this has been such a serious issue. I 223 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of awareness and most people are 224 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: taking it serious today. Um. And and so I would 225 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: hope that I do believe that the majority, the vast 226 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: majority of knives will take this seriously. And I think 227 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: I would have even as a young man, knowing that, um, 228 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: because now you're talking about, you know, me playing football 229 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: and me getting paid. I mean, it's my livelihood. I mean, 230 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: I remember, it's so funny. I talked to my wife 231 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: about this and and and you know, I was having 232 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: young kids back then when and I said, what would 233 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: we have done? I mean having young kids at home 234 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: and everything else like that, Um, would I have opted out? 235 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: You know, you know what would you? How would you handle? 236 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: And she looked at me. She says, you're not opting out. 237 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: You can stay in a hotel for six months and 238 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: take care of you. I mean, this is your job. 239 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: I mean, this is what you're supposed to do. And 240 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: I go to work and I and I say that 241 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: you a little tongue in cheek, But but there is 242 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: I sense. And I haven't been around the team obviously 243 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: because we can, but I get a sense of just 244 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: reading and watching and this is the entire NFL. The 245 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: guys are taking this serious and they know they have 246 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: to be smart and if they're not, they're not only 247 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: gonna risk their own health, but they're gonna risk the 248 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: viability of another fifty three to fifty five guys have 249 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: getting paid to do a job, to play football. That 250 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: this is bigger than just them. So I think they'll 251 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: do it. But I also know for a fact there's 252 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: gonna be one or two knuckle heads out there. They're 253 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: gonna go do something stupid. I mean, that's just gonna happen. 254 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: That's gonna happen, you know, Johnny, That's kind of what 255 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: would be blacked them, sir, And is that, you know, 256 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: you can have of the guys all do it the 257 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: right way, and then you have one that doesn't, and 258 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: then it kind of messes it up for everybody else, 259 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, heck, we saw the Seattle 260 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: Seahawks young player that tried to sneak a girl into 261 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: the hotel. I mean, are you kidding me? So, I 262 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: mean there's always gonna be a guy or a couple 263 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: of guys that just that they don't have a clue. 264 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: They're not very mature, they don't understand the gravity of 265 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: the situation or the magnitude of the situation, and certainly 266 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: they don't understand the economics that are at play in 267 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: this whole situation. So, you know, you hope that they 268 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: all take it seriously, and uh and I think most 269 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: of them do. So we'll just see if there's that 270 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: one or two guys that mess it up for the rest. 271 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: We'll go to Frank first on this one, and then Jeff, Frank, 272 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: you've been at a camp in most days. Big impression 273 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: so far, nothing COVID related on the field. Biggest impression 274 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: of JAG boards for a couple of weeks. I think 275 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna be fun. I really like the receiving corps. 276 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: It looks like Look for twenty five years there was 277 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: Jimmy and Keenan out of the gate, and then there 278 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: really hasn't been a very good receiving corps across the board. 279 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: I like these three guys, so you have something that 280 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: jumped off the page for me. John, I think it's 281 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: gonna be Chanal and Shark in Westbrook when he's healthy 282 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: in the spot. I like that group. I think they're 283 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: gonna be fun. We'll see. They haven't always been a 284 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: fun team even when they've been good. Other than Jeff 285 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: and Tony's early years, they haven't been fun. The Jack 286 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: Doreal playoff team was a tough, physical team with Henderson 287 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: and and Stroud and might Peep, but they weren't a 288 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: fun team. The seven team team was fun because of defense, 289 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: but they weren't going up and down the field. I 290 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: think the team will throw it around a little bit, 291 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: so I think that that's caught my attention. The other thing, 292 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: John and I worry about the defensive front they've lost 293 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: nine guys nine if you counting Gogays holding out guys 294 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: that either opted out, got hurt, can't play because of 295 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: health reasons. Nine that's a lot of guys that they 296 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: thought would be in the rotation. Now they've replaced him 297 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: with Journey against some other guys, but that's a big number. 298 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: The biggest problem the team Handlins and you couldn't stop 299 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: to run, and I hope they can now. So I 300 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: love watching the receiver's work. I hope manjus as good 301 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: as everybody hopes it will be, because if he is, 302 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fun offense. I worry about him 303 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: stopping the run, and that's kind of been and I 304 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: can't I'm not smart enough to tell that by watching practice, 305 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: but I know what the roster looks like. I hope 306 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: Devine Hamilton's ready because he's a big, physical catman. I 307 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: hope Shober can help with the run defense. So that's 308 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: kind of a good and a bad from how I 309 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: see it. Jeff, your thoughts in the defense first, Well, 310 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: I kind of chuckling there because Frank used the word hope. 311 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a lot of I hopes in there, 312 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: and I think that's the reality that is in play 313 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: for the Jaguars this year. You know, you hope that 314 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: they can be competitive, You hope that they can improve 315 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: throughout the season to be something because specifically you asked 316 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: about the defensive side of the ball. They lost so 317 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: many key components. You lost your two starting corners from 318 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: last year, guys up front, the linebacking court that played 319 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: very well last year, and now you're looking at some 320 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: of these gaping holes because of an opt out, because 321 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: of a forced retirement medical concern with Rodney Gunter. Uh, 322 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: Josh Morrow looking at a five game suspension. Who a 323 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: guy that might have been in play for having some 324 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: snaps at defensive end. You got a rookie corner on 325 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: one side, Trey Hernon on the other. Who still is 326 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, kind of an unproven commodity. The play of 327 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: the safeties have been just kind of okay, okay. Cholbert's 328 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: coming in. I like him, but at the same token, 329 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: I don't think he had a great year last year. 330 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: And uh, and now Miles Jack is switching positions, which 331 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: you hope you know, there's that word again, hope. You 332 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: know that he's gonna be more comfortable at the week's 333 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: high position. So there's so many questions on defense and 334 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: there's not as many on offense, but there's still questions 335 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: on offense. I mean, is Mitshew capable of being a 336 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: starting caliber quarterback? You know last year he showed some 337 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: flashes and he could have an amazingly successful rookie year, 338 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: but he's got limitations physically with the height, the vision um, 339 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: the arm strength I think is in question. Last year 340 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: at times he left the pocket when he didn't have 341 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: to leave the pocket, but he did do some incredible 342 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: things when when the play broke down. So uh, a 343 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: lot of questions and I'm hopeful, to use that word, 344 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that they can be a competitive football team 345 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: this year. But make no mistake about it, They've never 346 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: used the term rebuild, but if you look at this 347 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: what they've done from the end of last year, with 348 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: the subtractions that they have had and the additions that 349 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: they've had, this is a team in an organization that 350 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: is in rebuild mode and rebuild modes and year one 351 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: typically can be tough. As Tony and Jeff this I've 352 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: been so impressed with the receivers and especially DJ shark Um. 353 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: How much of what you see in camp on that 354 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: kind of thing can translate and a shark look so 355 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: good and the chemistry looks so good. But are we 356 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: seeing it against you know, coordinators, scheme in form. How 357 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: much can you trust what you're seeing now? I mean 358 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 1: I think you can. You can trust that you know 359 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: what you see in da chart more than nathing because 360 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: he proved it last year. I mean, it's not like 361 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: because an anomaly. I mean the guy came out and 362 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: wasn't stud last year and he's picking up and have 363 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: a good, good camp. I mean, as I watched the 364 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: practice tape on the iPad, I mean, he's a guy 365 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: that you know, stands out like he looks like a 366 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: professional receiver. I don't know how many often we could 367 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: say that about guys. Um. I mean, I think it's 368 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: a receiving cords that is exciting but still has a 369 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: ton of questions to me. I mean, and I get 370 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: what um Frank can say. It's gonna be fun, but 371 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: like in my history, like I don't count on rookie 372 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: receivers really doing much. It's if you look historically, it's 373 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: a position that doesn't even top guys that have huge 374 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: years year one. I'm hoping to all does. But I 375 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: worry about if we were gonna be counting on him 376 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: as one of our top guys. Like, there's a lot 377 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: of stuff you have to prove there um and so 378 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: I think it means something. But this, I mean, just 379 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: to pick up a little bit on what Jeff said, 380 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: I mean this, if you look at this team, the 381 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: losses that they had and kind of the path they're going, 382 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful and I hope that things work out. But 383 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: let's just talk about the offense. We spent a lot 384 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: of time on the defense. John, We're looking at an 385 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: offensive line that everyone's back from last year, and I 386 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: don't think anyone right now would say that they were 387 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: a great offensive line last year. They struggled around the ball. 388 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: You know. At one point when the team decided to 389 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: go with Gardner Minshew over Nick Foles, the head coach said, 390 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that they chose Gardner Minshew is 391 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: because he could extend plays and get out of trouble 392 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: they need. They needed somebody who could avoid the rush. 393 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: That's not a resounding like compliment as an offensive linement, 394 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: trust me, and so, but it's the same group. So 395 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: we are counting on that group to have gotten better. Now. 396 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: I think Cam Robinson looks good, looks strong, footworks better 397 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: than I've ever seen. So those are all positives. You 398 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: like the rookie tackle. I mean, so there's bits and 399 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: pieces there, But there are so many questions across the 400 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: board for this team. Um, it's gonna be really interesting. 401 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: And with no preseason, I'll circle all the way back 402 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: where you started. You asked about the receivers. I think 403 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: it's hard to tell what you're going to get because 404 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 1: the way they practiced day in the NFL and they 405 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: only have fourteen padded practices, it's limited, limited, limited, limited, 406 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: and guys are getting maintenance days that our second year players, 407 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: so it's limited reption. It's like, like, honestly, when I 408 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: heard that, like Josh Allen's getting in, Gardner Minshew had 409 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: maintenance days, I'm like, have they just been here like 410 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: a month? And Gardner Minshew is a guy who's in 411 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: a brand new offense with a brand new coordinator who 412 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: started ten games last year, and somehow we're gonna give 413 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: a day off like when he only has limited reps 414 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: and no preseason, Like I'm given that guy every rep, 415 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: like in the world. It wasn't like I think training 416 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: camp was four months with three days when you guys 417 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: played right based on the maintenance days. I promise you 418 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: we need have maintenance days. What was Conflin's version of 419 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: a maintenance stage? Ye? Uh, day off you have to 420 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: give you got was when you put the fifth on 421 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: the desk card and said you have to give the 422 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: players the day half. That's about it. It's surely people 423 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: will never understand the difference, but it's a It's amazing. 424 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: He spent ten years now and he still don't get 425 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: used to it. Hey, uh, Scar on the horn, I 426 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: want to have two final questions each, Frank, what do 427 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 1: you need to see from Menshew this year to make 428 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: you nuts? What everybody wants to know? Jeff touched on 429 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: some liabilities. What do you got to see from him? 430 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: For me? Number one? I like a lot when I 431 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: see I think he's got a good arm, not a 432 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: great arm. He was very honest. He was on Serious 433 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 1: NFL or Serious x M, and he said, look, I'm 434 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: never gonna have a plus arm by standards in this league, 435 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: and I agree with that. So he's a guy that's 436 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: gonna have to step into he's gonna have to have 437 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: a clean pocket or a moving one. He's gonna have 438 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: to be able to step into his throws. Um. He 439 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: can't be falling backwards and throw off his back foot 440 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: because he can't make depth through. There's some guys in 441 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 1: the league that can Russell Wilson gonna make depth throw 442 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: John I don't think he can make that, So he's 443 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: got to make the right choices. What I love is 444 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: the ball down the field. I think he throws a 445 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: really accurate deep ball when he's got a clean pocket 446 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: and can kind of drop it off the table. So 447 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: he's got to prove to me that he understands those limitations. 448 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: I think he does do twenty one touchdowns only six 449 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: picks last year, but I want to see that he 450 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: can win from the pocket. I want to see that 451 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: they can create a pocket right, that they can be 452 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: a more conventional team. I know the game is different 453 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: now than some RPO and they're moving pockets more, but 454 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: you still gotta win an NFL game from the pocket. 455 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: So I want to see that it can look more traditional, 456 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: that he can be as effective in that pocket as 457 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: he was out of it last year. And I'd like 458 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: to see that earlier. I'm excited about the kid. I 459 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: William John. I know those limitations, but I think he's winner. 460 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: I think as respond to him. I think you can 461 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: sense that one day. I was out of practice last 462 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: week and I thought, uh, Juwan Taylor jumped and Mince 463 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: you really got on him about it been in a 464 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: positive way. Gosh, a year ago, the culture that team 465 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: was such that people be yelling at each other. Nobody. 466 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: He jumped, Michi goes, come on man and and it 467 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: was over. And that's what leaders do. They leave the 468 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: right way. So there's a lot I like about him. 469 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: He's got to play from a clean pocket, improved he 470 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: can win though the pocket. For me, that's Jeff. First, 471 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: tell me what the arm strength means the gardener can't 472 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: do and what I don't watch tape as much as 473 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: you do. What can't he do because of the arm 474 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: that concerns you? And then what do you need to 475 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: see from him this year? Well, I mean the windows 476 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: in the National Football League are small, and so sometimes 477 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: arms strength is gonna open that window up a little 478 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: bit more, you know, throwing and out, you know, So 479 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: arm strength gives you the entire field and it makes 480 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: coordinators play the entire field. Um, not having the arm strength? 481 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: What are my concerned? Well that then you know that 482 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: they don't play the whole field, you know. Can he 483 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: see the middle of the field? Can he throw the 484 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 1: past like Dan Marino would throw? I mean, looked Dan 485 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: Marino had an incredible arm, and not many people had 486 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: an arm like him. But there are certain times where 487 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: the arm strength is needed to where it's gonna squeeze 488 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,239 Speaker 1: that ball in there, you know. But but on the 489 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: other side of that, Johnny, there's been a lot of 490 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: great quarterbacks in National Football League that have lived without 491 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: arm strengths, and they've been able to make up the 492 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: lack of arm strengths with the mental cootie. You know, 493 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: whether it been a Joe Montana who had a very 494 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: very average arm, and then you go all the way 495 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: to maybe one of the worst arms of the National 496 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: Football League, which was Chad Pennington. We used to joke 497 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: around that, we used to call lollipop on. I mean, 498 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: he couldn't throw a pass that was anywhere close to 499 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: parallel to the ground. I mean it looked like a 500 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: roller coaster, that big giant hill, you know, So can 501 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: he Gardner minshould do that. Absolutely he can do that, 502 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: but it's gonna take a lot of them, the mental anticipation, 503 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: the understanding of defense, and things of that nature to 504 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: where he's throwing way on time and way before time, 505 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: and hopefully we can see some of that he can 506 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: develop that. Tony, you see more quarterbacks up close than 507 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: any of us because of your Westwood One role. Uh, 508 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: what do you think of his chances compared to the 509 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: rest of these quarterbacks. Is he a guy that can 510 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: do this? Um, it's a great question. I'll be honest, 511 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride the fence. I think it's too early. 512 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: The sample size is too small. I agree with everything 513 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: that you know. Jeff and Frank said, Um, you can 514 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: find uh, you can find out liars. You can find 515 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: guys that are similar that have had great um careers, 516 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: but they have they do something special that no one 517 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: else did. I mean, you could argue that Drew Brees 518 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: post rotator cuff never had the strongest armies similar size, 519 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: but Drew Brees is one of the greatest cockey at 520 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: little guy quarterbacks who sees things and anticipates things when 521 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't even see him going across the middle. Because 522 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: he knows right where everyone's gonna be. I mean, he 523 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: is uncanny, um. And so I think you to be 524 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: really good, you have to either have a really good 525 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: over the top of like a bunch of things, or 526 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: you have to be super special at something. And the 527 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: question is is what is that thing that Gardner is 528 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: super special? I don't know yet. Um. He's a great competitor. 529 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: I loved, loved what he did last year as a rookie. Um, 530 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: how he came in and just competed day in and 531 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: day out. But let's also not forget he let an 532 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: offense and scored twenty one points over seven games. In 533 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: the first half they were abysmal. Um. And so that 534 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: worries me. Uh And and so you look at the 535 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: whole thing, and the question I always asked, and I 536 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: think this is the question every franchise hasked to ask 537 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: themselves about that position. Is this a guy who will 538 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: help me hold up the Lambardi Trophy? And if he's not, 539 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: then you gotta go find that guy? Um. And right now, 540 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: would I bet everything that Gard's that guy. I don't 541 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: know how much money I put down that bed, um, 542 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: but I'm interested to see I'm not saying he can't 543 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: be because he has some special He has some interesting 544 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: things that I'm intrigued with. But um, as I think 545 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: about last year and is what I want to see, 546 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: and I've watched a little bit on tape. He put 547 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: throws a beautiful long ball. It's gorgeous, it's accurate. But 548 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: then times I watched, like the easy throws that they're 549 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: just supposed to be in rhythm across the middle or 550 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: the out I'm like, was the receiver at the wrong 551 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: level or did he just missed that bad um? If 552 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: his feet aren't set perfectly where everything's clean, can he 553 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: drive and make the hard throw? Um? You know, can 554 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: he do it on time? I think one of the 555 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: things what made him special last year is it was 556 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: the off schedule play. How how often did he sit 557 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: in the pocket, hit his fifth step, take the one 558 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: hitch and drive the ball where we're supposed to go. 559 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: Not a lot of times. There was a lot of 560 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: off schedule like fun things a call, and so I 561 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: think you had to do those things and then the 562 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: off schedule things be come the extra Um. I'm intrigued. Um. 563 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: I think the offensive lines you have to play well, 564 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 1: they need to keep it clean back there for him, 565 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: I think they have to have a running game. Watching 566 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: the tape some practices, it looks like we've got it something, 567 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: don't that's camp that can happen. Um. So those are 568 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: all things that go into it to me right now, 569 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: looking around the league, I just don't know. There's things 570 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: he does that I really like, and other times I'm 571 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: watching him like, huh, is that a guy that's gonna 572 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: help this organization hold up the Lombardi Trophy? And I 573 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: just don't know it. Johnny, can I jump in here 574 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: real quick? I want to make one comment because it 575 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of kind of tails with what Tony is talking 576 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: about right there. The one thing I think that's real 577 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: hard even for me, and maybe it is for Tony 578 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: as well, is that, you know, typically this time of year, 579 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: we've got a couple of preseason games on the rough 580 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: belt to where we're comparing the play of player X 581 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: against other NFL caliber talent, you know, and sometimes when 582 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,479 Speaker 1: you continue to watch a guy and he's going against 583 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: the same guys all the time, it's hard to get 584 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: a gay just to where they're at, you know. So, 585 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: so I think it's a and I think that that 586 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: that's thing that the same exact things falls for the 587 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: people they're gonna be making the decision on the final 588 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: roster and the coaches that are gonna be choosing who's 589 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: going to be getting the most playing time, and that 590 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: a lot of the decisions that they're gonna be making, 591 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: whether it be for rosters or playing time or et cetera, 592 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: are gonna be made based on a lot of faith 593 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: because they haven't seen these players against other NFL caliber competition, 594 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: and it makes it extremely difficult to judge kind of 595 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: where individuals are at, and also in some cases where 596 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: a team is at very quickly. Each one of you 597 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: do we finished the season? And how did the Jaguars do? Frank? 598 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna play all sixteen games. I think 599 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: some teams could miss. But I don't think we're gonna 600 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: shut it down, you know. I think in the upside, 601 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: I think these guys said it it's a rebuilding year. 602 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: I think it's crazy to think they're gonna be a 603 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: tenor leven win team. I also don't think they're gonna 604 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: be as lousy as the Leak, thanks Sean, and gonna 605 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: win three or four games. So yeah, I think they 606 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: can win six having games and the ball bounces right 607 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,479 Speaker 1: more than that. But I think it's a rebuild. It's 608 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: a lot there's not a lot of veteran elite players. 609 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: Most teams that have special years, there's some veteran elite 610 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: players on your roster, and when you and when you rebuild, 611 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: and when Boyer's gone and Calais has gone, the next 612 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: guy's gone, you don't have a lot of there's not 613 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: veteran elite players on here. There's young players who might 614 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 1: become elite. So I think to your question, I think 615 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna finish the season. I think we're gonna get 616 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: them all in. Uh, someone may miss the game along 617 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: the way, but I don't think we're gonna pull the plug. 618 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: And I think the Jags, that the ball bounces right, 619 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: can can be a five dred team. Uh. And you're 620 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: one of what this rebuild is these guys are talking 621 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: about and um, but I don't think they're gonna be 622 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: a great team yet. And I don't think they're gonna 623 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: be as bad as the whole league fixture gonna be. 624 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: Jeff Dee finish and how did the Jags do? Uh? Boy, 625 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: let me let me break up my Johnny Carson crystal 626 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: ball and put on my Sammy hat here right. Uh yeah, 627 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: I think that sixth team will be played, and I've 628 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: say I'm very hopeful with that number. As far as 629 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: uh total wins, I'm probably right around five ish, you know. 630 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 1: And and my my whole thought is with five is 631 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: is how does the five look? Because five can look 632 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: good and five can look bad. If if a football 633 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: team is looking like a team and rebuild note early 634 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: early in the season, and then all of a sudden 635 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: it starts playing closer football games and then it starts 636 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: winning games late in the season, you feel good about 637 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: five as far as a team that's rebuilding, and then 638 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: if all of a sudden, some way you can find 639 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: a way to get six or holy cow, seven, you'll 640 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: be like ecstatic. I mean, in my book, so I'm 641 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to be I don't want to say 642 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm a realist. I just think that boy, with all 643 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: the change that this organizations has gone through and with 644 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: the environment that it's had to function in. As with 645 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: all this change, I think it's an incredibly challenging year. 646 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: And if they can get to five six wins, I 647 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: think that that's a solid season. Seven I think would 648 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: be outstanding on an outstanding job by the coaching staff. 649 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: We'll close it out with the pride of Jaguars. Yeah, 650 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: lots be clear. You know Free keeps on saying those 651 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: guys say rebuilding here. I don't like that terminology because 652 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: that's not what we've heard coming into the season. The 653 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: part of the purpose was that this is a team 654 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: that could compete and win. And it's hard for me 655 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: and I think the fans struggle with that is saying, wait, 656 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: we were we want six games last year? Is how 657 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: do you rebuild on that? I mean, that's the hard 658 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: part where this organization is. And that's why I'm rooting 659 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: so hard for him because you know you want success 660 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: because you know you want it for Sean Kag you 661 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: wanted for Dave and Doug, and we wanted for the 662 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: player at the fans, I mean you want them to 663 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: be have success. Um. So with that said, Um, to 664 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: answer your question, I think we get sixteen in. I'm 665 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: fascinated what it looks like and because it's I don't 666 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: think it's a baseball where a team can miss a week, 667 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: then how do you reschedule? It's not like, hey, we're 668 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: gonna playing a double header next week, you know, and 669 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: figure that out. And so so I think you have 670 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: a regular season, and you're gonna have the playoffs, you 671 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: have a super Bowl. Does every team play fifty sixteen games? 672 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: Who knows? It's gonna be crazy? Um, And as far 673 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: as with the Jaguars schedule or win record record is 674 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: gonna be, I would hate to pick games this year 675 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,239 Speaker 1: because what happens week you know, Week one, you know, 676 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: the night before Philip Rivers gets you know, it's like, well, 677 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: I feel better about that game now. I mean, and 678 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: you just kind of go down the path and you 679 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: were counting on so many young players. And I said 680 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: this the other day. I'm like I could see this. 681 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: Soone asked, what's the ceiling for this team? Nine ten wins? 682 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: Like you're crazy, I said, okay, if Gardner Minshew is 683 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: who he showed as a rookie, and now all of 684 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: a sudden goes from one and ten to thirty two 685 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: and ten. And Leonard for Nette runs like his life 686 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: depends on it because he's in a contract here, which 687 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: we see all the time. And Caber obviously plays like 688 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: he's in a contract year and John Taylor takes a 689 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: step up and chart is for real, and you hit 690 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: on Sinalt and Tyler Iford's stays healthy. Oh, I like 691 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: this offense pretty good all of a sudden, And if 692 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: Josh Allen is the record that we think he can 693 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: be watching him the practice he's dominant, and the run 694 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: young quarter Miles Jack figures out, you know, to rewind 695 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: the clock a few years. Well, now, all of a sudden, 696 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: this is a different team to me. And then you 697 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: have the wild uncertainty is about who's gonna be playing 698 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: weekend and week out because of COVID and testing everything else. 699 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: I have no idea. Um, if you just looked at 700 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: it of their young it's a young team, a lot 701 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: of departures, you know, and holes in the defense. I mean, 702 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: I think like people who say nationally this is a 703 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, three to five win team, I get um, 704 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: But in my gut, I think they find a win 705 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: a way to win six or seven. Here's my solution, Frank, 706 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: And you guys may have played at different ways. That is, Frank, 707 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 1: maybe we were coming high school sports and they had 708 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: the spring jamber a quarter here, quarter a quarter. That's 709 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: how you all of it. Frank put them all in 710 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: a bubble and play jamble. We'll put them on the 711 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: bubble and floor. We love. One quarter is good. At 712 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: one quarter, I'm ready. I'm ready. It's called one quarter football. 713 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you, Johnny, it's funny, like we talked 714 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: about this, but to think how far we've come. And 715 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: I'll des send with this. I mean the fact that 716 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: thankfully we're talking about pointing football at all, because like 717 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: to your point a few months ago, and I'll say this, 718 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: I was in Tallahassee last week and watch the Florida 719 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: States seven all scrimmage and it was like a normal 720 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,479 Speaker 1: practice sitting the fan, and I'm like, wait a second, 721 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: like this is actually kind of exciting. It looks like, 722 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, people playing football, and like I think we 723 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: can get there, and I'm hoping we do. And again 724 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: I'll just end it with hats off to the Players Association. 725 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: I think the leadership there at the union and the 726 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: UH Commissioner's office and all the owners I mean to 727 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: get give us a chance without making it a complete disaster. 728 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: I think, um, hopefully we'll get to play football this year. 729 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: It's off to all you guys. Tony Jeff Frank, I 730 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: can talk football to day with you. I appreciate you 731 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: joining me and we'll see you guys very soon, hopefully, 732 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: Faith to faith and making hands on debt. It's a 733 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: busy time of year. Everybody's a practice of hot so 734 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: I appreciate the five months that they gave is Dave. 735 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: I thought what was interesting. I think what you can 736 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 1: provide a lot of insight on when Frank and Jeff 737 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: were talking at the top of the podcast about what 738 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: the broadcast is going to sound like and what for 739 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: the people involved that he's yourself, it's gonna look like 740 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: take me to broadcast school, if you will, or engineer school. 741 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: What are you guys going through to get this thing 742 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: set up in a virtual world? Well, I mean it's 743 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: really taking a lot of effort, uh myself. Joe Fortunado, 744 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: who helps edit this podcast, he's also there's also our 745 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: manager of radio, so he's our producer on the radio 746 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: broadcast he's working on on Jason d and one of 747 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: our I T guys. He's also kind of a broadcast engineer. 748 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: Patrick Evanaugh. We're all kind of throwing throwing a lot 749 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: of stuff at the wall to make this happen. But 750 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, the homebrew podcast is gonna be how it 751 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: is if you're not gonna know it's a different the 752 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: road broadcasts, so we're not traveling, so we're getting a 753 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: lot of different feeds from a lot of different places. 754 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: So right now we're working through with the NFL about 755 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: what feeds we get back, whether it's because to call 756 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: a game, you know, there's a lot more nuance, especially 757 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: for those analysts like Jeff and Tony about what they see. 758 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 1: So not being able to see the game and watching 759 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: matchups and stuff, it's gonna be tough for them and 760 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to adjust. So we're working on getting 761 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: feeds from those games into the stadium that we can 762 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: they can then watch. We're working through the NFL with that. Um. 763 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: You know, there's some stuff still going through. And then 764 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: the other thing too, something you probably don't think about, 765 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: is what about the crowd mix and what about what 766 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: what's piping through there? Um, So we have to that 767 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: has to get sent to us somehow. Um. And we're 768 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,439 Speaker 1: working through all that. And the funny part is is 769 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: the radio booth on road games is gonna move to 770 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: the TV booth here in our stadium. We're like Jim 771 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: Nance to Tony Romo would be if they were doing 772 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: a game here, because there's a lot of KM activity 773 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: in that room because they do the TV broadcasting there. 774 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: So we're kind of piggyback and off that room. And 775 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: we're actually this weekend and we're recording this on Friday. 776 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna go through and figure out what everybody wants, 777 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: how the boots gonna be set up, and Joe is 778 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: gonna gonna go through with those guys and and um 779 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: and you know the other part of it too, which 780 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: again it's another thing that Joe's ultimate concern, you know, 781 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: is how we're gonna see to go to commercial because 782 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: we can't just watch the broadcast and go to commercials 783 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: because because because you don't want to, we don't want 784 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: to miss a play. So you need as much time 785 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: to get enough heads up that hey, the broadcast is 786 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: going to commercials. So and normally for you this is 787 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: kind of inside football. There's a guy on the field. 788 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: He usually has the big orange gloves. If you ever 789 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: come to a jazz game, you see a guy waving 790 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: his arms across his arms with big orange gloves on. Well, 791 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: he's telling the TVs and the radio is doing the 792 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: broadcast that hey we're going to commercial break. He's kind 793 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 1: of the go between the rest and the TV truck. 794 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot that goes into it and 795 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: not a whole lot of time to solve it. And 796 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,959 Speaker 1: luckily for us, are first road game is is week two, 797 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: so it gives us a little extra week two to 798 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: figure things out. But it's just kind of a little 799 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: inside football. I think it's all interesting, especially in this 800 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: year of it just seems like I always describe it, 801 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: it's like everything's like hard and it takes time to 802 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: figure out. And the other thing too, is I've been 803 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: kind of saying, is in our broadcast world, it's even 804 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: doing this podcast right, it's we're doing it over zoom. 805 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: We're not doing it in a studio. It'd be a 806 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: lot easier if you and I were both out of 807 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: Mike recording it. We go and edit it real quick. 808 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 1: Now we're doing this over zoom, and it doesn't sound 809 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: as good. But it's like the situation, what the world is? 810 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: I think with everything, it's like nothing, no situation is 811 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: gonna be ideal. It's how to make it as good 812 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: as you can, right, I think we talked about this, 813 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: probably after a podcast. I don't know that we actually 814 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: talked about it on the year, so to speak. But 815 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: I recall asking you a few months ago what this 816 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: world would have been like, I mean, what our work 817 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: would have been like. How would have done our jobs? 818 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: You talk about it not being perfect, but it's so 819 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: far ahead of where we would have been ten years ago. 820 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's can you imagine trying to do the 821 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: job bringing fans the content? You know, you can make 822 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: an argument that there are a lot of things about 823 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: the NFL that when the fans watch us, the way 824 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: the fans consume the information maybe hasn't changed that much 825 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,439 Speaker 1: except they're looking at us in boxes rather than when 826 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: Brian and Ashley and I are doing drivetime. We're in 827 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: boxes now rather than on a desk. But beyond that, 828 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: a lot of coverage, even the draft many camp, what 829 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: we bring them hasn't changed. Boy, that wouldn't have been 830 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: the case ten years ago. Dave, No, it would not 831 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: have been. I mean, the skypes and the zooms and 832 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: the you know, everything else that that's at our disposal 833 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: out makes things a lot easier. And the biggest thing 834 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: is like using the best tools you can and then 835 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: figure out how to implement them into what you do. 836 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: It's relatively easy for you and I to get on 837 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: a zoom call or for me to get a player 838 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: on a zoom call and do an interview. But zoom 839 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: calls don't solve broadcast issues. For the most part. This 840 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: is a different game. You guys are playing and trying 841 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: to bring a game live and fans. Yeah, it is. 842 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: It is a much different issue. Um. And also there's 843 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,439 Speaker 1: a little bit of you know, there's the television rights 844 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: deals that you know, the NFL has to figure out 845 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: how to give us a secure, um, a secure feed 846 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: of the game. Um. And depending on those views like 847 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: the All twenty two camera, I mean that's for coaches 848 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: and stuff. Um. And they don't want that getting out 849 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: or any way to see that. So you know, that's 850 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: also another hurdle that you have to kind of get over. UM. 851 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: You know. A lot of it too, is is with 852 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,479 Speaker 1: Frank and Jeff and Tony is they got to figure 853 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: out personal preferences, what they want to see, what helps 854 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: them the most, what doesn't work for them. Um. You know, 855 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 1: it's just and also there's no preseason and tested, tested, 856 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: out either. Fans talk about preseason games for players, but 857 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 1: probably preseason might be bigger in terms of preparing for 858 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: the entire NFL infrastructure of fans, broadcasts, et cetera. Players 859 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 1: and coaches sort of know what they're gonna do and 860 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: they're gonna go out there in the field and do it. 861 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,359 Speaker 1: But a preseason for people who are running game experience 862 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 1: for you guys, that's when you figure out the nuts 863 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: and bolts details of it and guess what dave you're 864 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,879 Speaker 1: doing that live this year. No, And that's the other 865 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: thing too, is you know, when we cover a game 866 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: and we shoot a game, we gotta figure out how 867 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: to do it differently because now there's all these protocols 868 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: and rules and we're gonna be shooting from different spots 869 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: and in the stands and and we've never done that, 870 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: and we're trying to figure that out, um, kind of 871 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: in theory, not in practice. And then even same with 872 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: if you take it outside of our world. I mean, 873 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: we have all these new protocols for fans to come 874 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: in the stadium, where it's taking temperatures, questionnaire, wearing masks, 875 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: how we're paying for food. I mean, you know there's 876 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: not gonna be cash in the stadium, exchanging hands. So 877 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: it's a new app based system. We're ordering food, You're 878 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: not just you're not coming in, you know, tenements before kickoff, 879 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: running up the ramps and sitting down in your seat anymore. 880 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 1: Fans have to learn that. Events staff has to learn that. 881 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: And that's the one thing where we missed preseason this year, 882 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: especially how the world is different. You know, preseason is 883 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: always the dress rehearsal because there's not as many people here, 884 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: so it's easy to try to work out those kinks. 885 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: So it'll be Week one will be interesting. You know. Again, 886 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be ideal, but we'll get through it. Well, 887 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: history shows us anything, especially the broadcast end out, I 888 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 1: can speak with confidence it won't be perfect, but it 889 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 1: will be very very good because the Jaguars broadcasting will 890 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: pull it off. And part of that Jaguars broadcast team. 891 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: Segueing to the end here, Dave is Joe Fortunado, who 892 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: again I want to thank for always making this sound good. 893 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: Daved Campas for making me look better than I actually am. 894 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: It's sound bay than I actually am. I For those 895 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: of you who are interested in how the Jaguars broadcast, 896 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,399 Speaker 1: get to the fans and the Jaguars broadcasters feel about 897 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: the team. I don't think this one sucked at all. 898 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 1: We'll try better next week. Thanks for joining us.