1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Eli. Hey, y'all, it's Diana. We're here 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: with a crazy, big story today, so big that we 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: had to put it into two parts. I mean, this 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: is really Scott level, epically huge Ancient Rome story, and 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: we just couldn't contain it in one episode, can contain 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: in one toga, that's right, and uh so, no time 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: for chit chat today, No cute back and forth, no 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: shooting the ship, that's right. So we're gonna dive right 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: into the content because it's just such a big story 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: and it's got a big payoff, a lot of big 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: stuff in this one. You'll see what you'll get that 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: one later. This is a story about Roman leaders fighting 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: for power, and as such, there's a lot of violence 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: in it, so we'll give you a heads up before 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: we get to anything too graphic. There's lots of sex, 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: though thankfully we don't have the fine details and we 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: won't get into very graphic speculation, so don't worry about that. 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: There are several references to genital surgery and a brief 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: account of non consensual castration, plus a dash of animal cruelty. 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: Now and then that's how we do it in Ancient Rome. 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: You know how it is back then. So welcome back, everybody. 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: Welcome back another exciting episode of ridiculous romance where we're 23 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: gonna be talking about another batshit crazy story of insanity here. Okay, 24 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: this is a story about ancient Rome, so there are 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: a lot of characters. There's a lot of politics. I mean, 26 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: it's like a Game of Thrones meets Gladiator meets opera daytime. 27 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: So Barbara definitely meets um. Just murder, a lot of 28 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: murder um and a lot of people doing really crazy 29 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: things um in the quest for power. So but at 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: the end of the day, like one of the wildest 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: stories about ancient Rome I've ever heard. In fact, this 32 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: person almost deliberately put to shame like Nero and Caligula. 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: So it's it's a lot. This is the story about 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: Ella Goblis, who was the first and as far as 35 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: we know, only transgender ruler of Rome. We're going to 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: talk about her husband, Hierracles, who was a champion chariot 37 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: racer and has a real rags to riches gladiator type story. 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Ella Gobliss many other partners, wives, husbands, 39 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: sex slaves. H She was wild and her grandma. We're 40 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: not gonna leave her grandma out of the story now, yes, 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: but that's not sexual. No, thankfully, we are going to 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: talk about her grandma. But I want to delineate that 43 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: from sexual partners. I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't meaning 44 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: to equate those that felt connected, but it's not. Actually, Yeah, 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: among all the crazy ship in this story, I don't 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: think incest really comes into it. Well, thankfully there's one 47 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: thing that doesn't come into it. Okay. So there's very 48 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: few accounts of Ella goblis life, and we'll get into 49 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: why towards the end of the story as well. And 50 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: there's very few accounts of like Eric leaves life, or 51 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: indeed many of her other partners. There's just not a lot. 52 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: We know. There's three kind of main texts that everyone 53 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: uses from the era, but especially in recent years, historical 54 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: scavengers have really been cobbling together all this information that 55 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: they have been able to find about her life, piecing 56 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: together what ends up being a very interesting and shocking 57 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: and messy story about a very complicated person living in 58 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: a very difficult time. A lot of what we know, 59 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: we're going to be citing a lot this work by 60 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: Cassius Dio, who was a statesman and a historian at 61 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: the time. He lived around then, and things sort of 62 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: as they were happening. Most of the broad research and 63 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: the few historical accounts that do exist refer to Ella 64 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: Gabolus with male pronouns, but present day researchers and analysts 65 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: are using she her pronouns, and so that's what we're 66 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: going to do, because the goodness of a person does 67 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: not dictate whether or not we respect their preferred gender. Exactly. 68 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: She made it very clear, and we'll get into this, 69 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: that she was and wanted to be referred to as 70 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: a woman, and yeah, just made it expressly clear how 71 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: she wanted to people to refer to her. And that's 72 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: kind of pretty much the dominant reason that we're taking 73 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: it this way and and presenting in this way, and 74 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: why most other modern researchers are doing the same. Look. 75 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: Trans people existed in Rome long before and long after 76 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: Ala gobalis out. History dot Org talks about how this 77 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: was even a respected practice among priestesses of Kibel, who 78 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: was a goddess. These were people who were assigned male 79 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: at birth, who would celebrate this ritualistic castration and then 80 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: where women's clothing and go by female names. The author 81 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: of that piece says, this was a highly ritualistic and 82 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: mystical understanding of gender identity. And that's something I think 83 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: that we see a lot in other cultures, older cultures, 84 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: non Western cultures, that they approach gender in a very 85 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: kind of mystical way and see something sort of transcendent 86 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: about the gender experience and gender variants that we, of 87 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: course in our society have not fully embraced. But the 88 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: thing that makes Ala Gobalis story so unique is that 89 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: she was a huge, historical, powerful figure with a very 90 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: strong gender variance, and that really disrupted the status quo. 91 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: So we are going to get into Ela gabolus whole story, 92 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: and it's a doozy, so let's get to it. Hey, 93 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: their friends come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got some 94 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: stories to tell. There's no matchmaking, a romantic tips. It's 95 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: just about ridiculous relationships, a lover. It might be any 96 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: type of person at all, and abstract consent to a 97 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: concrete wall. But if there's a story with the second glance, 98 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: ridiculous roles a production of I Heart Radio. So before 99 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: we can talk about all able we've got to talk 100 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: about how she came into power, and that we could 101 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: go back hundreds of years and talk about all the 102 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: history that led up to this, because it's ancient Rome 103 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: and that's just how things were at one thing led 104 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: to another, But we only want to go back too far. 105 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: So we're just gonna back up a little bit and 106 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Emperor Caracala and all these people. 107 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: So let's let's take a look at our cast of 108 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: characters that we're gonna be talking about, especially in the 109 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: early segment here. Emperor Caracalla was a tyrannical emperor, as 110 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: so many were. No tyrannical weird. That's so weird, no 111 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: way anywhere on Earth, right. I mean, he ruled from 112 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: one to two seventeen a d. So you can see 113 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: where we are in history right now. And then we've 114 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: got the Julia's that Julia's run all through this story. 115 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: We've got Julia Domna that's Caracalla's mother, Julia Mesa that's 116 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: her sister, so Emperor Caracalla's aunt, and Julius so Amias, 117 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: who was Masa's daughter, so she was Caracalla's cousin. You're 118 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: following don't worry. It's like Game of Thrones. Once you 119 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: get through the first few episodes, you start to kind 120 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: of figure out who's who, or maybe the first few seasons, right, 121 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, it took me a while, Just stay 122 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: with us. Macrinus was the guy who overthrew Caracala to 123 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: become emperor, and Ella Gobless took over after that. Ella 124 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: Gobless was born Various Avatus Basianus, and honestly, Ella Gobless 125 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: was not a name that was given to her until 126 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: after her death, so she just went by her emperor name. 127 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: We'll get into all that as well, But first things first, 128 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: how did she come into power? Well, Emperor Caracalla was 129 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: the ruler of Rome from to seventeen twenty nine years. 130 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: Like most Roman emperors, as we said, asshole tyrant. His 131 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: contemporary saw him as a soldier first and an emperor second. Yeah, apparently, 132 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: I guess he sucked so badly that French painters in 133 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: the eighteenth century used images of him to compare to 134 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: Louis the sixteenth, who you know, they famously chopped his 135 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: head off. Yeah, they did not like him, and they 136 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: did not like Haricla. This guy was so bad he 137 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: became a good frame of reference for badness. It's like 138 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: if you looked up tyrant, it would be a picture 139 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: of Carrica. Hello, right there. I mean you gotta mention 140 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: these French painters have so many people to choose bad 141 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: leaders too, Like there's this whole history of tyrants and 142 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: assholes to pick from. Let me go through the file 143 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: book and see who we're going to use for Luis sixteen. 144 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: We've got there's a Ramseys in here, there's a Genghis, 145 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: there's a Melbourne. He's not he hasn't come by yet. 146 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: Napoleon's we're going to look at. Probably I want a 147 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: couple of the British kings Louisa fifteen twelve. Probably a 148 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: lot of the Louise got it? This guy realized I 149 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: could call for a part. Yeah. Well, Caracala found a 150 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: lot of the administrative work that came with ruling to 151 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: be incredibly boring, so he left it to his mother, 152 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: Julia Domna, because she was kind of like an administrative assistant. 153 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: And Domina and her sister Julia Masa were from a 154 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: line of Arab priests in Syria who worshiped the Arab 155 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: Hman's son God Eligible and Yeah, more about the Julius later. 156 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: Don't worry, just get back to the Julia. Just keep 157 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: the Julia's in mind and the way they the things 158 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: they do for their children. So, after many years of 159 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: pissing people off, Carricala finally piste off the wrong people 160 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: who got him while he was pissing on a wall. Literally, 161 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: this soldier Justin Marcialie. He was mad because Caracolla didn't 162 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: give him a promotion. And so you've got this soldier 163 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: Justin storming around moment this girl I didn't get the 164 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: Jubi wo. And Caracalla's successor was this guy named Macronus, 165 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: and he saw how mad this soldier Justin was, and 166 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: he said, hey, I got an idea for you here, buddy, 167 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: Why didn't you uh, why didn't you murder him? I 168 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: think that worked out gray for both of us, and 169 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: tells Justin to sneak up on Caracalla while he was 170 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: taking a leak and stab him in the back A 171 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: bunch of times. They love that. In ancient room, I 172 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: just wouldn't take the job of emperor because I feel 173 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: like you've got a significant percentage chance of getting stabbed 174 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: by your own people. Yeah, definitely, feel like it happened 175 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: a lot. I don't know all the Roman emperors, but 176 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: it seems like most of the ones I know, that's 177 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: what happened. And guess who else that didn't work out 178 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: for Justin Marcia Allis was also killed in the kerfuffle, 179 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: because when you stab an emperor, people tend to notice 180 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: no matter where he's peeing. Uh So that's just, you know, 181 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: one of those early lessons of don't do other people's 182 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: dirty work seriously, especially if the successor is the one 183 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: telling you to do it. I feel like that was 184 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: pretty obvious, Like either Justin did not know that he 185 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: was a successor or he was just a big DEMI well, 186 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: he's probably like, hey, go do this for me and 187 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: I'll give you a good job. And Justin was like, okay, 188 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: just do the stupidest thing imaginable. You think you'd be like, 189 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: I've heard that before, and look at me stomping around 190 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: with no job. Just gotta do anything for a job. 191 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: It's spend tough times. It was tough times. Actually, Kara 192 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: Kala had kind of run things into the ground. There 193 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: were wars everywhere. Things were not not so good under Caracala. 194 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: In fact, they hated him so much that Macronus had 195 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: the full support of the Roman army, and the Senate 196 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: was basically like, yeah, we hated Caracalla, the army likes you. Yeah, 197 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: sure you can be in charge. That's all it took. 198 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: And poor Mama Julia is off in Antioch sorting out 199 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: boring male so Caricala wouldn't have to read it, so 200 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: she basically didn't know anything about him being killed, and 201 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: she had also recently learned that she had breast cancer. 202 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: So the combined bad news about her cancer and also 203 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: her son being overthrown and killed and a rebellion um, 204 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: she decided to take her own life by starvation. Yeah 205 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: it's a way to go, but yeah, I mean you 206 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: can see that she's like that searse mentality, And I 207 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: sorry keep going back to Game of Thrones, but it's 208 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: pretty apt. It's a lot of people are talking about 209 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: rulers killing each other for power, but yeah, that that's 210 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: sort of like, well, what am I gonna do now? 211 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: My my son who was emperor just got overthrown and stabbed, Like, 212 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: this isn't going to end well for me. Probably very true. 213 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: They might have gone after her, at least thrown her 214 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: out with nothing. Yeah, especially since she was so close 215 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: to him and doing all of his administrative work, like 216 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: she was kind of the emperor in some ways. That's 217 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: about to say, sometimes the boring messages have some real 218 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: dirt in them. You gotta read that ship. Oh, I mean, 219 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's like. That's probably why she was 220 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: perfectly content to take that position by doing all of 221 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: his administrative work, because hello, that's where the power is. 222 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: Information is power, for sure. So Macrinus takes over as 223 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: emperor and he did kind of okay, sort of. I 224 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: mean he was the first Roman emperor who wasn't previously 225 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: a senator. Karakala had left Rome pretty much bankrupt. Like 226 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: we said, there's a bunch of wars going on. Things 227 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: were not great. So when Macronus takes over while they're 228 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: on the road marching off to war, he hasn't even 229 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: had a chance to go back to Rome yet, and 230 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: he's suddenly put into rule and he starts implementing policies, 231 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: actually ending wars left and right. A lot of these 232 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: wars they were in starting to shut down. He was 233 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: kind of keeping the peace, uh in a way that 234 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: Karakala and previous rulers haven't been able to do. But 235 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: I think we all know that war is great for 236 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: the economy, right, so especially in Rome where a lot 237 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: of your economy is the military. And he said, hey, 238 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: you know a good way to pay for all this 239 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: peace is to cut hay within the army. And so 240 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: the military didn't like that, so he kind of started 241 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: to lose support from the military real fast. But his 242 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: biggest mistake is that he piste off the Julia's. Oh snap, 243 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: don't you piste off the Julia's Julia Domna's older sister, 244 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: Julia mace H his caracollas aunt. Don't forget it was 245 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: ordered by macronists who returned to her home in MS Syria. 246 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: But he was kind of tiptoeing around, beating around the bush. 247 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: He's delicately trying to maintain his power. He's trying to 248 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: keep everybody happy. So he did not, you know, enact 249 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: some crazy revenge or something. He just let her go 250 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: home with her massive, incredibly massive fortune intact. So she 251 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: probably just Scrooge McDuck right into it. Yeah, Well, she 252 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: that the Julia's family had a lot of power that 253 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: Julius already had, like a ship ton of money because 254 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: they were heavily involved in religion in Syria. Julia Masa 255 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: had been working in Rome for twenty years, just stacking coins, right, 256 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: so like a twenty year fortune she had with her 257 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: in addition to all the money that Julia's are a 258 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: very rich family, and Macronis didn't want to work with that. 259 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: Things were tense enough as it was. He was really 260 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: he was all about keeping the peace. So he was 261 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, why don't you get out of here 262 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: because I don't want you cause in trouble. But you 263 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: can keep all your money. Oh gee, think so much. 264 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: I'll just go live quietly and forget that you basically 265 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: fucked up my whole family and kicked me out of 266 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: my house. Yeah, right, as if any part of her 267 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: felt that way at all. Of course she got to scheming. 268 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: Of course she's going to take all her money and 269 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: crush this motherfucker. And this is where our featured player 270 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: comes in, and we are going to get to Elagabulus 271 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: story right after this. Okay, we are back in ancient 272 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: Rome with ridiculous romance. Romance. I thought about it a 273 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: while ago and then I was like, it's not that good. 274 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: But then I was like, I'm going to use it. 275 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm glad you did good. I don't know if anybody 276 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: else will be Yea Julia Masa had a grandchild born 277 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: to her daughter so Amias, named various Avatus bass all 278 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: the various Avadus Bassianus we have laying around, sorry, who 279 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: was fourteen at the time and in line to become 280 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: the next head priest for the Sun God. This kid 281 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: had really extravagant and I guess amusing kind of flamboyant. 282 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: I guess maybe rituals that they were performing for the 283 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: Sun God, and soldiers were coming from all around just 284 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: to watch her perform. The Eastern Roman Empire, like in 285 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: Syria present day Turkey, this was very different culturally from 286 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: Western Rome, which god's you were worshiping as your primary 287 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: god in any given region was different from another, and 288 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: this part of Syria things look very different these rituals. 289 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: If Roman soldiers, especially Western Roman soldiers were around, they're 290 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: all telling each other like, hey, you gotta go check 291 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: out this kid, that these rituals are just unbelievable. You 292 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: gotta see it, you gotta see it, and everyone go 293 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: there and they loved it. It was some of the best. 294 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: A lot of people just really taking a shine to 295 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: this kid, really rising in popularity. So Julia Mesa, like 296 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: we said, scheme in So she started saying, oh, you 297 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: guys like this kid, Well, did you know that, actually 298 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: that's the love child of my daughter so Amias and 299 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: the previous emperor Caracalla. So just throwing that out there 300 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: no particular reason. There's no evidence to back this up. 301 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: Historians agree that it's almost definitely untrue. But the kid 302 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: kind of looked like Caricalla, which was enough, and so 303 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: Amias technically was living in Rome at the time that 304 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: this kid would have been born, so they're trying to 305 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: present this as the true heir to the throne. And 306 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: of course then everyone says to oh, well, Julia Masa, 307 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean, surely you wouldn't lie about that, because that 308 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: would sully your daughter's reputation to say that she committed 309 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: an adultery with the emperor and had a child out 310 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: of wedlock just so that you could become the grandmother 311 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: to the Empress of Rome. Was like, oh, the emperor, well, 312 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess she is the true heir, so 313 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: sort of a sense, but I didn't say it. You 314 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: said it, you know what I mean, I never said it. 315 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: She's just dropping hints left and right. This is the 316 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: soap opera kind of stuff to me. Yeah. Flash forward 317 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: and Julia Masa's funding a full fledged, fucking rebellion. She's 318 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: telling everybody she'll pay soldiers for their loyalty because she 319 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: knows they don't like Macronus already, especially that they're mad 320 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: because he took their money away. And remember, she's got 321 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: the bills, she's got bank stacked high, just coins coming 322 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: out of everywhere. These coins could be yours. So words 323 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: getting around, and it's not even barely an inconvenience to 324 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 1: quote that great pitch meeting. Pitch Meeting one of our 325 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: favorite YouTube channels, in case you don't know, it's called 326 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: pitch meeting, so funny. So word gets around and a 327 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: bunch of soldiers one night bring Julia Masa, Julius so 328 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: Amias and the grandchild into their tent and they have 329 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: a Sarah money and they say this is the rightful 330 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: Emperor of Rome, and uh, they take the name Marcus 331 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: Aurelius Antoninus. Fancy purple dress and everything. This is all, uh, 332 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, as official as a ceremony gets without having 333 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: the Senate involved, which of course they weren't at this point. 334 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: But everybody starts defecting. It's like nothing, Uh, macrinus forces 335 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: are ditching him in droves. Remember Macrinus hasn't even been 336 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: back to Rome yet. There's still a bunch of wars 337 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: going on, and he's still keeping the peace everywhere. He's 338 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: trying to cool things off, and everybody's totally abandoning him. 339 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: He even sent a cavalry out to round up some deserters, 340 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: and the cavalry ended up killing their own commander and 341 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: joining ala Abilus too. Oh that's got a sting. It's 342 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: like I sent you out for deserters and you desert me. 343 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: Do the other thing, literally the opposite of what I said. 344 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: There was this guy, Commazon who organized revolt in the 345 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: third Legion to fight for ala abliss rule. Basically, a 346 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: bunch of military stuff happening, But what happens is that 347 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: Macrinus has to flee to Antioch with what little he 348 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: has left, which is very little, and Ela Goblis puts 349 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: together this army. She's got this commander Gannis, who was 350 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: very inexperienced, but he was like super determined. Everybody's very 351 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: passionate about al Goblis, this fourteen year old crazy religious 352 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: kid taken over there all about it. Money has got 353 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: to be fueling a lot of this money in spectacle, right, 354 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: they could all be bought, absolutely, Yeah. So they all 355 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: show up and it's the Battle of Antioch in the 356 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: year to eighteen a d. This is my speculation station. 357 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: I think from what I read that this seems to 358 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: be the earliest major battle thought under a transgender person's rule, 359 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: and it was a major deciding battle. Macrinus tells his 360 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: soldiers to ditch their heavy armor and shields so they 361 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: can lighten up and get more maneuverable. They helped them 362 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: break through enemy lines, and it made me think. We 363 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: had just seen this movie on Netflix called Outlacking, which 364 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: is about Robert the Bruce is highly colored version of 365 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: Robert this whole thing. But one of the things he 366 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: did do was he had a really small force and 367 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: he was up against, you know, the freaking King of England, 368 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: so he had he was up against a very formidable army. 369 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: And what they did was they like hid in barrows 370 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: and they just kind of infiltrated and then killed everyone 371 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: and took over from the inside. So it kind of 372 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: reminded me of that. I guess that was a common 373 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: thing to do. Keep it like, keep it loose. It's good, 374 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: is I mean if you're if everyone's expecting everyone to 375 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: show up in the same thing and then you surprise them. 376 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: It worked, and Ella Ablos forces did start to retreat, 377 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: even though Macarnius had a much smaller army. It worked. 378 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: They were scattering them left and right. But man, oh man, 379 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: or woman, oh woman, I should say, honestly, because the 380 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: Julias were here, I hope you did not forget about 381 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: the Julia's. It's like dre, you can't forget. Because Julia 382 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: Masa and Julius so Amias left from their chariots, they 383 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: joined the battle, and they rallied the soldiers and ended 384 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: the retreat. They did this huge morale boost and everybody 385 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: rallies and just loot back. Ghannis charged in on horseback. 386 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: It was like a whole epic battle scene. And Macronus 387 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: led back to Antioch and was later captured and executed 388 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: like you do, um. And that's kind of how Ela 389 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: Gabilis was firmly established. Hey, that's a very exciting story 390 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: about you know some women who jumped in and did 391 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: fighting and everybody, you know, kicking ass and taking names, 392 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: and but if you look at it from another perspective, 393 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: it's also a crazed, vengeful family spreading blatant lies through 394 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: a bloodthirsty military to overthrow someone who was determined to 395 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: be a peacekeeper. So it's all about perspective. Like so 396 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: much of history, Gannis remember the inexperienced general but very 397 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: passionate but inexperienced but passionate general. Well, according to making 398 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: Queer History dot Com, which is going to be one 399 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: of our primary modern sources, it's possible that Ella Gobolis 400 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: had him killed for telling her not to draw too 401 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: much attention to herself. That's not what she wanted to hear. 402 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 1: She liked to draw attention to herself. I know. I mean, 403 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: the whole reason she's here is because she was flamboyant 404 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: and had crazy performances that soldiers like to watch. And hey, 405 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: I can get with that. You know, you shouldn't tell 406 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: people not to be themselves. I feel like execution for 407 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: advice feels a little extreme, but but it's kind of 408 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: the beginnings of what really gets shady about Ella goblis 409 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: life and work. An Empress. While still in Syria, Ela 410 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: Gobolis got to work reshaping Rome again right away. I 411 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: don't need to get home first. I'm in charge now. 412 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get some ship done. So she reshapes Rome 413 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: through every Roman leader's favorite artistic medium, relentless murder. She 414 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: executed these guys who were like governors and nights. Among 415 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: Macronuss followers. She ordered anyone who's been close to Macronus 416 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: back in Rome to get the ax too. Do you 417 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: think she was like on Facebook, like trying to find 418 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: all his type of friends, non mutual friends. Anybody who's 419 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: friends with Macronus needs to unfriend him now, and if 420 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: you don't by the end of the day, I'm n 421 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: following you. And by un following you me on following 422 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: your head from your body, following your life from this earth. 423 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: Back in Arabia, she took out this guy Pica's Serianus, 424 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: who was in charge of that province, just because he 425 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: didn't immediately declare his allegiance. She had no patience, like 426 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: your a or you're out. I'm not going to ask 427 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: you again. And you remember Cammazon, well, he got promoted 428 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: to the head of the Praetorian Guard I mean, despite 429 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: having zero experience, she just bumped him up. Also, years earlier, 430 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: Cammazon had a beef with his commander Atolus, who had 431 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: demoted him for something he totally did wrong, by the way, 432 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: but he told Ella Goblis about it, so chop. She 433 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: gave Atlas the X to talk about cancel culture, something 434 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: from years ago coming back and totally act send you 435 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: off the whole. Well, I guess we haven't killed anyone 436 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: cancel culture, have we. Cancel culture isn't real. Wait till 437 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: we get canceled, we'll have a whole different But hey, 438 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: why don't you tell us the sweet beautiful story about 439 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: Hilarianus Patis. Yes, Hilarianus Patis he was being romantic one 440 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: day and he stamped some likenesses of himself and he 441 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: played them with gold to make jewelry for his mistress. 442 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: That's nice, like a little like, hey, here's something to 443 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: remember me by. I guess, although if you gave me 444 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: a necklace with your face on it, I'd be like, 445 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: what Maybe it's like a Lockett kind of situation. But 446 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: you don't have any pictures of me, you know. No, 447 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: I'm saying it's I hope you do have pictures of 448 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: me on your phone or something? What I can see you? Yeah, 449 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: but if you couldn't, I would say, here's something with 450 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: my face on it that you can have right now. 451 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: It makes sense people give each other pictures of themselves, 452 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: especially back then they would do portraits. It's so true, 453 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: it's so true. So it was a sweet gesture, yep. 454 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: And he was from near Cappadocia. And Ela Gables caught 455 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: wind of this loving gesture and thought, hey, that guy's 456 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: having money printed with his face on it because he's 457 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: going to start a rebellion against me. Kill him and 458 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: he died. Yeah, so she's starting off in blood. She 459 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: stuck around in Antioch for a while. There's a couple 460 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: of little mutinies, kind of popped up pop up mutinies. 461 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: Have you guys tried the new pop up mutiny? There's 462 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: a really cute one in Brooklyn right now. They're so rebellious, 463 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: I don't know. So here's something she does before she 464 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: goes back to Rome. She sends ahead a painting of 465 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: herself and tells them to hang it over the Statue 466 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: of Victoria. Now. Her reasoning was that she thought people 467 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: would be surprised if she showed up in western Rome 468 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: with her Eastern garb. I mean again, in Syria, things 469 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: were very different. They wore different clothes, a lot more 470 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: like dressed, like robes, a lot more jewelry. There's a 471 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: very different appearance. Plus she of course, again at the time, 472 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: people are referring to her as the next male emperor, 473 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: and she is not presenting herself that way, and she 474 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: thinks she's going to surprise people. So she says, send 475 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: this painting ahead. But here's how it worked. She told 476 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: them to hang it over the statue of Victoria, who's 477 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: the goddess of victory, and her statue is in the 478 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: Roman Senate and every day the senators come in and 479 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: they pay a little tribute to Victoria. So with this 480 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: painting up behind it, she's basically making it so that 481 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: the senators are paying a tribute to Victoria and Ella Goblis. 482 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: She's like, y'all, can't disassociate me from your little tributes 483 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: that you're paying. And that's kind of a bomb ass move. 484 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: It's like maybe the first instance of sponsored content, little 485 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: product placement like this subliminal messaging or the stranger the 486 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: KFC and stranger things you're not going to be able 487 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: to think victory without thinking of oh Elagblis. So she's 488 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: got some smooth moves. And this is something that comes 489 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: up with her story all the time, is that in 490 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: some ways Ala Gobblis is fucking awesome. In some ways 491 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: she is a horrible human being. She brought Syrian customs 492 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: to Rome. She wore fine silk instead of the traditional wool. 493 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: She was in those more dress like robes, which I 494 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: guess are more dressed like than Otoga. I don't know. 495 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: Out history dot org, which is another of our primary 496 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: modern sources, talks about eligible or eligaball or many other 497 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: variations of this deity's name. But there was a difference. 498 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: Romans created statues of their gods to worship. Very they're 499 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: really into statues, Yeah, Roman statues exactly. And they had 500 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: big ones of Jupiter and Demeter, Demeter, Demeter, you guys 501 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,239 Speaker 1: know all the Greek gods, you know, but they had 502 00:28:54,240 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: the Roman names Diana, sure name. Go look at Bernini. Uh, 503 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: you'll learn all about it if you look at Bernini sculptures. 504 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: Who's the greatest sculpture that ever lived? Oh my god, 505 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: we get to go to a museum that had a 506 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: bunch of his works in it, and it was amazing 507 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: to close. I'll never shot up about Bernini well anyway, 508 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: so they created statues, they were all great at it. 509 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: But in Syria Eligible was worshiped in the form of 510 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: a meteoric black stone, and Ella Gables had this stone 511 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: brought to Rome and built a temple around it called 512 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: the Eligibolium where eligiball could be worshiped. I feel like 513 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying having us stroke right now. Ella cobble Is 514 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: brought Eligible to the to the ellam anyway, she brought 515 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: it there to be worshiped. Um. She also had the 516 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: most sacred relics in Rome transferred from their homes to 517 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: the Eligibolium so that you could only worship other gods 518 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: while worshiping Eligible. So it was another sponsored content. Yeah right, 519 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean just like really forcing everyone into eligable. And 520 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: that came from back home. I mean again, she was 521 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: in line to to take over for her father as 522 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: the high priest of this temple to Eligable in m 523 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: as Assyria. That was sort of her whole thing. And 524 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: she grew up very religious and very into this thing. 525 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: And again this is someone who grew up very wealthy, 526 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: maybe a little spoiled, had a lot of attention all 527 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: the time, and it was all sort of based around 528 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: the religion. And you know how kids like grow up 529 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: and you sort of latch onto what brings you the 530 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: most attention, and uh, that kind of starts to form 531 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: your personality a bit. I think that's sort of where 532 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: this came from. So at any rate, she was very 533 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: devoted to eligable and wanted to make sure everybody else 534 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: was to. Now here's what we're getting too, some interesting things. 535 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: She insisted on being called the young Empress, and this 536 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: is how we know that she was trans today. I mean, 537 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: in our terms, it's very hard and a lot of 538 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: the modern discourse says this that it's it's really hard 539 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: to apply today's modern standing of transgender to what she 540 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: was going through back then. But we do know that 541 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: she insisted on being called the young Empress. There's going 542 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: to be more instances of this where she refers to 543 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: herself as a lady and a wife specifically many times 544 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: throughout the story. At any rate, she was not used 545 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: to this kind of power. Again, she's fourteen years old 546 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: and she just starts putting all these inept people in 547 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: positions of power. She promoted commazon to the position of console, 548 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: which is a really high position, and then later to 549 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: city prefect, which is a position he would get reappointed 550 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: to three times, which Cassius Dio in his work says, quote, 551 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: that was a thing that never happened before in the 552 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: case of anybody else, and hence this will be counted 553 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: as one of her greatest violations of precedent. And the 554 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: historian Herodion claims that she would hand out political positions 555 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: entirely based on the lengths of men's penises. Yeah, what 556 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: a qualification I'd like to applies for this position. Here's 557 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: my resume, you can keep that, And why don't you 558 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 1: just lift that toga baby, let me see what you're 559 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: swinging with sikes pretty much. Yeah, she was like, I'm 560 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: looking for men with a certain set of skills. According 561 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: to History of Yesterday dot com, she wore fake breasts, 562 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: she had her body hair removed. It said that she 563 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: offered a small fortune to any surgeon who could change 564 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: her penis into a vagina. This was like a standing 565 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: offer through the city. Uh. In some accounts, she wandered 566 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: through the city asking doctors about this. By other accounts, 567 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: she just had this kind of everybody just knew that 568 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: that offer was on the table, and if anyone could 569 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: do it, they would uh. Allegedly never actually happened. Cassius 570 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: Ceo even writes that Ella Gabilis said she wanted castration 571 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: out of a longing for a feminist e. Right, it 572 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: wasn't a ritualistic thing or a religious thing. It was yeah, 573 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: it was that she wanted to be more feminine. She 574 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: harnessed lions to a chariot and called herself the Great Mother. 575 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean that's cool, right, just if if you came 576 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: up in a chariot led by lions, were like, call 577 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: me the Great Mother, Like she's a badass, I will 578 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: call you that. I will call you whatever you want. 579 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: But she would also make naked women pull her chariot around, 580 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: which is like cool, except I can't imagine that it 581 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: was cool for the naked women pulling the chariot, right, Like, yeah, 582 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: it's one of those things that in theory sounds hot 583 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: or something, but then when you do it, you're like, 584 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 1: oh now, yeah, and if you don't move, Yeah, if 585 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: you're the one to pulling the chariot, I can't imagine 586 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: you're in you're probably not being denigrating, yeah, pretty denigrating thing. 587 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: And yeah, or paid at all. Right, well, exactly, you're 588 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: getting paid and you're still alive today, you're welcome. Yeah, 589 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: you're getting paid in experience, experience of being alive. They're 590 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: getting paid literally an exposure because their naked. Oh god. 591 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: She Amanda that her pillows be stuffed with rabbit, for 592 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: which is eccentric but not outrageous. She insisted that she 593 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't swim in any swimming pool that wasn't scented with saffron. 594 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: Seems like a weird choice personally. Wouldn't just make every 595 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: pool smell like a stew or something. I don't really know. 596 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't scream. I mean, I'm used to 597 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: swimming pools that smell like chlorine, so I guess. So 598 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: she she made Rome celebrate a festival to Elagable. Like 599 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: we said that, she was very obsessed with this god 600 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: and kind of like her whole life. This sort of 601 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: felt like that scene in The Simpsons, Diana, we're telling 602 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: me about this where Homer buys the cursed krusty Doll 603 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: from the Creepy she held the soul Stus Festival to 604 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: her God every summer and gave out free food. That's good. 605 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: And during that festival, she'd put the meteoric stone on 606 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: a white and golden chariot and paraded around the city, 607 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: forcing others to worship eligible as well. That's bad. But 608 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: she also loved to throw coins into the crowd. That's good, 609 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 1: so she could watch poor citizens fight over them. That's bad. 610 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: She would do these elaborate dances around the altar while 611 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: drums and symbols played. That's good, and she forced all 612 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: the senators to stand there and watch. That's I mean, 613 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: that seems okay. I don't know if I mind that 614 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: I wanted the senators so in addition to that, she 615 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: was in I don't know what would you call it 616 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: in today's terms, horn dog. I think that's the technical 617 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: term from making queer history dot com. She was having 618 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: sex with people across the gender spectrum, and she kept 619 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: a male slave who she insisted everyone called the Empress's husband, 620 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,479 Speaker 1: and then she would go have sex with other people 621 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: and make her slave catch her in the act and 622 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 1: then quote beat her as wives were beaten after being 623 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: caught having sex outside the marriage this was a thing 624 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: for her, and it will come back up later to 625 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,439 Speaker 1: this idea of intentionally being caught and beaten. This whole 626 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: idea that if you know, I want to be caught 627 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: cheating on my husband, because that me like more of 628 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: a floozy, like that was kind of what she seemed 629 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: to be sort of fetishizing and going for. She according 630 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 1: to the Historia Augusta, which is one of the texts 631 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: of the time, UH, it actually was written a couple 632 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: hundred years later, and historians say that it's kind of 633 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: a mixed bag of truth. But in this book, they 634 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: say that she allegedly opened the bath of Platinus to 635 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: the public, which had previously been reserved for UH senators 636 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: and people who worked in the palace, but she opened 637 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: to the public specifically to find big dick was really 638 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: on the prowl. Oh my god, this girl is like 639 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: got a big dick, you got a job, you got 640 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: a big dick? Come here. Oh that's going to come 641 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: up later too. I mean, the big dicks are a 642 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: big part of this story. But yeah, I don't forget 643 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 1: about Dre what about Julia Masa and so am? Yes, yes, 644 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: can't forget the Julia's well, Gabalus gave them dope b 645 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: ass positions as they deserved for all their help. They 646 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: became the first woman ever allowed into the Senate, and 647 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: they even made their way onto coins, which was really 648 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: rare for women in Rome. That's good. In the Historia Augusta, 649 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: they say Ella Gabolus was the only one of all 650 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: the emperors under whom a woman attended the Senate like 651 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: a man, just as though she belonged in the senatorial order, 652 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: as if she belonged. What a weird I am, all right? 653 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: Ella Goblas also formed the Senaculum, which was an all 654 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: woman's senate. That sounds cool. And they set rules for 655 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: women in Rome clothing, how to ride chariots, and what 656 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: jewelry to wear. Okay, so another mixed bag. Well, you've 657 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: got a ruling body of women setting the rules for women. 658 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: If only we had something like that today. But maybe 659 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: if they weren't regulated to what to wear and how 660 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: to ride a horse. It just sounds like an elaborate 661 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: debutante ball or something like where they are all like 662 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: you have to, you know, put a book on your 663 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: head or whatever. I don't know. I never was a 664 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: deb sorry, guys. I don't know what they had to do, 665 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: but I know from my personality that I was a 666 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: deb I thought that's where you learned to curse like 667 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: a sailor. I bet it would have been. Yeah, all right, 668 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 1: But we're talking about a lot about rome and power, 669 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: and we're talking a lot about a Gobblis. But where's 670 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: the romance? Where is it? Oh, it's coming, It's coming 671 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: right now, right as soon as we come back from 672 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 1: this commercial break and we are back, and we're finally 673 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: to the romance of this ridiculous romance. Ella Goboulis married 674 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: at least five times. How romantic? Oh yeah, I know, right, 675 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: five marriages, five times the romance. Her first wife was 676 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 1: in early two nineteen. I always almost steen these third 677 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: century dates. But yeah, into nineteen Julia Masa arranged for 678 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: her to be married to Julia Cornelia Paula, who was 679 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: a noble woman. She had the right lineage, She was 680 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: a smart political choice for a marriage. There was not 681 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: much health behind this particular relationship, makes sense. It did 682 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: not last. They divorced in twenty which Cassie Seo says 683 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: was quote on the ground that she had some blemish 684 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: on her body. Fucking rude. How dare she have a 685 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: blemish on her body? Ela Gable is stripped Paula of 686 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: all her titles. She faded from public view, and we 687 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: don't know what happened to her after that, which might 688 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: be good for Paula. I know, I was kind of 689 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: I don't know know on what comes she might have 690 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: dodged a bullet. Yeah, but that is that is pretty 691 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: fucked up. I mean, this is again all over the 692 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,720 Speaker 1: place is alagbols. She's she's creating a Senate for women, 693 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: and then she's saying, no, I divorce you, because I mean, 694 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: clearly there was something else she didn't like about her, 695 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: and she was like, no, you've got a speck on 696 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: your body. I don't like You're out of here. At 697 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: least she didn't just like chop off her head. But 698 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: there is an ulterior motive here because what happened is 699 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: that Ela Coop this fell in love with someone else. 700 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: This is sweet, right, she fell in love with a 701 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: vestal virgin, bringing us to our new segment, Uh, vestal virgin. 702 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: Maybe there's not a segment here. It's about to be 703 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: funny to have a segment about the vestal virgins. Vestal virgins. 704 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: Thank you. This is the biggest no no in Rome. 705 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: A Vestal virgins are untouchable. They are a group of 706 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 1: religious women. They were responsible for keeping the eternal flame 707 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: burning in Rome. That was kind of one of their jobs. 708 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: And they were freed from the obligations to marry and 709 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: bury bury children. Oh my god. Now they were freed 710 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: from the obligations to marry and bear children, and they 711 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: took a vow of chastity for thirty years in order 712 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: to devote themselves to areas of study that were forbidden 713 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: to male priests. Can you imagine if present day religions, 714 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: at least the religions we know, had information that men 715 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: were not allowed to access and the upheaval, the absolute 716 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: ship that would be lost. That Although you could just 717 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: put a cover book cover on it and say it's 718 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: like a menstruation guide or something, you good trick men 719 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: from not wanting to know it. But if you told 720 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: them like and then there's here's the part of the 721 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: Bible that men aren't allowed to read, they they'd go 722 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:32,280 Speaker 1: bad shit crazy. Yeah you kidding me. Anyway, This vestal 723 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: virgin's name was Aquilia Severa, and she married Alec Abolus 724 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: in the year two twenties, shortly after she divorced Paula. 725 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: The punishment for breaking the vows of chastity for a 726 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: vestal virgin was to be buried a lie. I mean, 727 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: there's nothing. First of all, I wouldn't become a vestal 728 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: virgin just knowing that was a possibility. I have said 729 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: this before and I'll say it again. Every decision I 730 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: make in my life, I consider whether it could end 731 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: with me being buried alive. That's why I would never 732 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: go spelunking seriously, But beyond that, I'm just like, do 733 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: I want toast or a bagel with my breakfast? Let 734 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: me think? Could either one of these end with me 735 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: being buried alive. That's just something I am constantly considering. 736 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have joined the vestal virgins, and I 737 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't have broken my vows to marry even the empress, 738 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: but she did. I mean, this wasn't even some like 739 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,919 Speaker 1: abstract punishment that never happened. This happened four times during 740 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: Karacala's reign alone that Vestal virgins were buried alive. So 741 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: this wasn't old news or anything. But Ella Gobless herself 742 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: a high priest of Elagabal believe that her marriage to Severa, 743 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: who was a priestss of Vesta, would cause them to 744 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: produce divine children. Yeah. Sure, I mean, I mean it's 745 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 1: just seemily she was like, I, oh, she's a breeze 746 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: and I'm a priestess. We'll have divine kids anyway. I 747 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: do whatever I want, right. It made me think of 748 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: King Henry just changing the entire religion of England to 749 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: just accommodate himself, do you Yeah, I'm just going to 750 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 1: rewrite the rules because I want to, and I'm in charge. 751 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: I want There's not a ton of information about Aquilius Evera, 752 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: and honestly, some sources suggest this is more in a 753 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: modern discourse. I couldn't find this in like Cassius Deal's 754 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,959 Speaker 1: work or anything, but they suggest that she was forced 755 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: into this marriage or even raped, which I was going 756 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: to ask about honestly, because we've talked about this before, 757 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: where it's like, can you even say no to a 758 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 1: king or to tamper? I mean, if you're if you're 759 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: picked out, what's your option really? Right? She? That's hard 760 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: to say because I mean just speculation station. I wonder 761 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: if she could have relied on the temple to protect 762 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 1: her if the Senate would have been like, no, you can't, 763 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: you can't marry a vessel virgin. But it's hard to 764 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 1: say because Ala Gobulis was so unpredictable and so powerful 765 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: and so well healthy. Yeah, it's possible that she just 766 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: know wasn't an option and she knew that, so she said, yes, 767 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. I'm just 768 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: you don't know. I thought you. I was there, but 769 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't paying attention. No, you do have to ask, 770 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,280 Speaker 1: And I mean that's kind of the thing too, because 771 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: another thing that comes up a lot about Ella Goblis 772 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: is that she made, as well as we'll learn, a 773 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 1: lot of enemies, and they may have seriously exaggerated claims 774 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: against her character. So we're really just left with speculation. 775 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: No not, I don't know. No, I didn't say the 776 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,919 Speaker 1: other word. Yet. They might have just been talking ship 777 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: through history about her and it got inflated into fact. 778 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 1: So we don't know for sure exactly how heinous she was. Um, 779 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: but I guess we know that she was heinous enough. Yeah, 780 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,280 Speaker 1: And what we do know is that that Ella Goblis 781 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: and Aquilia Severa's marriage was revoked shortly afterward. It's not 782 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: clear exactly what happened, but kind of rumor has it 783 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 1: that Julia Masa got involved. She was like, uh no, 784 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 1: this is too messy. Julia Masa is running the scenes. 785 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Julia Masa has been put in a position 786 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: of power. It's basically like this high senatorial power that 787 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,800 Speaker 1: that existed that women took before her. Uh So she 788 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily the first to have this position, but she 789 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: was the first to be in the Senate and the 790 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: first to run the Senate the senaculum. So at any rate, 791 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: Julia Masa is pulling a lot of strings here throughout this. 792 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 1: That's just as a reminder, that's Ella Gobilus grandmother, so 793 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,320 Speaker 1: amy as his mother, and the rumor is that she 794 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: shut the whole thing down, that she was like, this 795 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: festal virgin thing is too messy. I'm not I'm not 796 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 1: having it. Yeah, probably the public wouldn't have liked that either, 797 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: So maybe she's thinking about, listen, we need to keep 798 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: a lid on this situation. We just got into power. 799 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: We can't be fucking around and getting immediately thrown over 800 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,879 Speaker 1: by the people because you're fucking vestal virgins over here. 801 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 1: And you see what happened with Macronus. I mean as 802 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: soon as I mean he had full support, and within 803 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: a very short amount of time he lost it all 804 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: and ended up dead. Well. So Ella Gabilis wanted to 805 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: find another wife and came a also, a beautiful young 806 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,240 Speaker 1: girl named Annia Faustina, and she was not only lovely, 807 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: but she was from a noble family. Marrying her was 808 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,320 Speaker 1: good for power, for money, for politics. There's just a 809 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: great idea to marry, right. She had a total package. Yeah, yeah, 810 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: So so I assumed that that worked out fine. They 811 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: got married and lived happily. Ever after, turns out she 812 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: was already married to some poor schmuck named Pomponius Bassis. Pops. 813 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember the killing spree Ella 814 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: Gabalis went on after becoming empress from earlier in the story, 815 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,359 Speaker 1: that guy who made Joey for his mistress and then 816 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,800 Speaker 1: got killed for starting rebellion. So Ella Gablus was like, hey, 817 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 1: Pomponius Bassis and his buddy is Silius Massala didn't like 818 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: my killing spree. They have a real problem with how 819 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:03,479 Speaker 1: I'm running things around here. So lead it Caseusa writes 820 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: that she called Bassis an investigator of her life and 821 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: a censor of what went on in the palace, which 822 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 1: is like apparently a capital crying. He was snooping and 823 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: he was talking ship, That's what she was saying. And 824 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: she she didn't even try. She wrote a letter to 825 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: the Senate and said, quote the proofs of their plots. 826 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: I have not sent you because it would be useless 827 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: to read them, as the men are already dead. Nothing 828 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: like shooting first and proven stuff later. Ask for forgiveness, 829 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: not permission, not permission. Don't ask for permission. Don't ask 830 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: her forgiveness. Seemed to be he her m out here, 831 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: so damn yeah. Ela Gobolis married Anna and she was 832 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: brought back to Rome and made empress. And Ella Abolis 833 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,720 Speaker 1: also forbade her from mourning the death of her husband. 834 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: Stop crying. Oh my god, I know, right, I know, 835 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,800 Speaker 1: I just executed your ex husband and forced you to 836 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,800 Speaker 1: marry me. But about it. But a cork in it? 837 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: Put a septum, And I don't know what's a I 838 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: guess they had corks back, but I think they had corks. 839 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: I think pretty put a cork in it, put a 840 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: Corcus Maximus in that Maximus mouth of years. So everybody 841 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: was really hoping that they would have children, right, because 842 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 1: Annie is from noble birth. She already had two kids 843 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: with her late husband, and they were like, so should 844 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: we know she's fertile. I guess, so, come on, let's 845 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: let's get the kids going. But for some reason, they 846 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: just weren't getting along. I don't know why they weren't 847 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: getting along. I can't imagine why they two didn't hit 848 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: it off, like from the start, Yeah, you think this 849 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: is like sense of sensibility or no, what's the one 850 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of? Sleep listen Seattle, same story, right, very similar, 851 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: oh man, But didn't hit it off, and they divorced 852 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: by the end of the year. Very short lived marriage, 853 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: partly because Ela ga List went straight back to the 854 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,360 Speaker 1: vestal virgin Aquilia severa and remarried her in her fourth 855 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 1: marriage in three years. This is a seventeen year old girl, 856 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: by the way. That's that's when you make a lot 857 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: of bad decisions, just speaking as someone who was previously 858 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old true and honestly, that made that's 859 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,359 Speaker 1: going to be an undercurrent in our sort of analysis later. 860 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: I never got married though at seventeen. I'll say that 861 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,720 Speaker 1: for myself. Good for you, proud of you, thanks babe 862 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: me either. While we're confessing, well her confessing the things. Uh, 863 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 1: here's the thing, Aquilia Severa's story, the Vestal Virgin, it 864 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 1: kind of drops off here, So throughout everything that we're 865 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: going to be hearing next, we can only assume that 866 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,720 Speaker 1: she was just kind of they're chilling in the background, 867 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 1: even though there's no more records of her. But what 868 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 1: comes next is really crazy, So it's kind of hard 869 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: to reconcile that with this part of the story, which 870 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,840 Speaker 1: actually makes this a great place to draw the episode 871 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: to a close and forced you to come back on 872 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,359 Speaker 1: Friday for the epic conclusion of Elagabalus's story. I don't 873 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: want to go. I don't want to stop talking about 874 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: this crazy, crazy life. But there's so we haven't even 875 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: touched crazy yet. We have not begun to crazy. She's 876 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,799 Speaker 1: about to get down and dirty, and I mean we're 877 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: talking deadly pranks, chariot tears and giant dick, big old 878 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 1: dicks all across Rome, magic potions, lions and snakes and bears. 879 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 1: It's gonna get real weird, real fast on Friday to 880 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: come back. She's she's got another marriage to go through 881 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,680 Speaker 1: at least uh and and and a thrilling conclusion to 882 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,360 Speaker 1: this story. We'll be back with the next part on Friday. 883 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 1: In the meantime, don't forget to reach out to us. 884 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 1: You know, we're romance at iHeart Media dot Com right 885 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: or slide into the d m s on the socials. 886 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm at Dianamite boom, I'm at Oh great, it's Eli 887 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,720 Speaker 1: and we're both at ridick romance and yeah, we invite 888 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,800 Speaker 1: you too into speculation station yourself and d you know, 889 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,759 Speaker 1: what do you think is going to happen in the story? 890 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: I think that'd be fun. Give us your wildest speculation 891 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: and until then, we'll see you Friday Friday. So long, friends, 892 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,839 Speaker 1: it is time to go. 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